Its been a minute since ive seen his stream, but I know he had some custom ones for timings on the beer buff in FH among other things
#protection
modern brook
Sorry i worded that weird
"I dont remember anything super unique, but i can tell his WAs were custom made"
as in he made them
even if they're just on the DWA
sand egret
i just remember hearing the clown honk, made me laugh
modern brook
Sense to me when i was @last mason a few months ago
modern brook
i did something?
lusty grotto
🤔
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oblique garnet
tfw i take a break for studies guild goes on and disbands
oblique garnet
yup
undone sun
rip
sand egret
shakes fist
modern brook
I'm too funny for my own good
lusty grotto
then afk the entire next week
primal crypt
Streaming at low quality as to not mess with game quality
So you guys can watch at 160p
lusty grotto
that's some high def
primal crypt
Trying to squeeze in a few more 18s tonight
Tried a 19 waycrest
Was not ready
Lol
oblique garnet
nub
lusty grotto
i have no idea what your stream is
oblique garnet
did you bolster the guards?
primal crypt
But I dont think it was our fault
The blinds broke for no reason
As the three dog packs were about dead
They still had a lot of time left
Rog x2 boom hpal
oblique garnet
ah so you have no purge either
but yeah if you blind the thornboi
an pull the sister
if you let the sister cast it breaks the cc
modern brook
yam wheres the stream fam
lusty grotto
k fam
primal crypt
lusty grotto
hmm i wonder if i should run my seth key with all pugs
sand egret
he’s not streaming because then he’d reveal he’s actually playing prot pally
lusty grotto
galvazzt + orb room with pugs = ugh
primal crypt
Prot pally isnt until MDI @sand egret
lusty grotto
"hello, lets kill these orb dudes for no reason"
primal crypt
Jesus
warm plinth
Can you Dwarf racial Galvanized? 🤔
sand egret
you just gettin in reps
lusty grotto
i have no idea ghash
primal crypt
Debating right now if we should go ally or stay horde
lusty grotto
for mdi right
sand egret
dont think you can dispel it, no
undone sun
DiD and Nelf are pretty good
lusty grotto
dont summon tofu
sand egret
be careful, once you trt that sexy beard its hard to go back
primal crypt
Its up to the team
warm plinth
Dwarf is the master race.
primal crypt
See what side they want to go
lusty grotto
i should just... rep grind and level my rogue
primal crypt
I think DiD would be most superior
lusty grotto
my ally rogue i mean
sand egret
honestly, i legit feel nerfed after my faction swap
primal crypt
But belf is so good too
sand egret
having that self-dispel on command was so part of my toolkit 😦
supple path
Dwarves seem to alternate between who cares and overpowered based on the fight.
sand egret
first time I went into KR after i just took 3x zerker bleeds to the face...
warm plinth
Eh, I'm a regular dwarf so I get the 10% DR at least
sand egret
and realized mistakes were made
sand egret
benny hill theme
primal crypt
Kek
sand egret
never really raised a brow on those pulls until I went Horde
oblique garnet
nop
primal crypt
Alrighty
oblique garnet
not sure if soul fetish also breaks it
outer dew
Just meld it, smh
daring marlin
what sucks is being turned into maghar for the last three in BoD.
What a garbage race.
sick sentinel
At least our racial has actual use the entire raid
supple path
You guys are just jealous you can't every man for themselves the avoidable stun from the trash. Truly the most OP ability.
prisma topaz
supple path
what do you mean, protection has always been the second one on that menu. you're just crazy.
sick sentinel
Lets be real, its the only channel that actually matters
willow scarab
@quartz lake Take booming voice, use dps cooldowns/pots/booming voice on all adds, have the crit buff brought into the group.
For me: Pot, pre avatar + ilvl 400 str-onuse pvp trinket, demo shout as they spawn and have the crit buff on you
This was my first/only kill and it's from this week so I'm sure you could do even more with proper preparation. This was a 97% rank
sand egret
🤔
daring marlin
@sick sentinel Implying your garbo 400 secondary is better than fireblood?
You’re a madman
coarse magnet
hi guys new prot warrior aiming for them legendary parses 😄 any tips id appreciate, maybe a BiS list from raid and dungeons anywhere ?
coarse magnet
im orc ?
daring marlin
That wasn’t in reference to you, sorry. lol
coarse magnet
i know but did i choose wrong er sumthing ? lol
daring marlin
Nah. Racials aren’t that big of a deal. Purge on blood elf is a nice thing to have, though.
oblique garnet
extra rage is good too
but to get legendary parses you have to cheese
and cheese better than others do
daring marlin
Like boost
coarse magnet
cheese how
daring marlin
master of the cheese
cosmic wraith
Does anyone know of any prot warrrios that stream regularly
narrow abyss
Only one I have 100 parse on is some random healing one in a heroic fight lol
supple path
Example of cheese: 5 druids ursol vortex the opulence adds while a healer guarantees you have the 100% damage buff and everyone else ignores them.
narrow abyss
Sense streams. There’s that prot tank that jdot been running with...jhazzy or whatever
daring marlin
Nerfcyclone too
oblique garnet
Bois i have peaked
supple path
You can get 95+ parses on everything without cheese though, that's just 100% country.
coarse magnet
yea i dont wana cheese but just do it
supple path
Main tip then beyond "learn the rotation and when to use your stuff (e.g. ) is "get all offensive azerite traits."
oblique garnet
you can never have downtime
soft kindle
Parsing on farm, if it's no issue, Revenge>IP
soft kindle
I have more fun doing healing parses as a tank
supple path
gross.
soft kindle
Fight me
supple path
I can't you heal too much
quartz lake
@willow scarab thank you
round vortex
That’s like saying “no offence but you’re a dick head” haha
inner trail
thoughts on servant splitter? 🤔
sick sentinel
It ain't it
fallow beacon
thoughts on which 2 trinkets lads? leaning towards vial+alch stone for M+ and alch stone+rezans for raiding
hollow kite
can you spell reflect the sacred blade on champions to drop stacks?
burnt hazel
i need help with some math for the new Kul Tiran "Brush It Off" racial ability..
taking a 3min Champions of light Heroic fight
warr tank takes around 4mill dmg (just a round number)
how much will that racial ability heal on those 3min ?
sick sentinel
@runic hare bfi is better than bonded souls
undone sun
@hollow kite yes https://i.imgur.com/AsbyvjV.png
open bluff
i thought they changed it to be nonreflectable
steel mauve
depends if you can use the racial when not taking damage honestly
vocal skiff
I wonder if Zandalari will be a good choice
abstract geyser
hollow thorn
BoM is best to stack for M+
lofty drum
anyone using the spell refelct tracker WA that Marok made?
white valley
Hey guys. Im recently starting to play Prot warr (330 ilvl :vomit:) Im struggling with keybinding. I feel like theres so many abilities its not funny. Is there any safe abilities i can macro together to reduce the amount i have?
open bluff
no
white valley
Is it possible to bind devastate on to shield slam; so that it will ONLY cast devastate when shield slam is on cd / not procced?
white valley
Rip
Is the alchemist trinket good for us? From the looks of it; it looks very strong imo
open bluff
it's okay
open bluff
equip effect is nice when you're carrying health pots, but the str proc is 1ppm and you get better value out of other trinkets in the long run
if you're still gearing it's solid, but it starts to lag behind once you start getting other trinkets at a similar ilvl
(that said when the str proc is up it's 👌, but you're also spending a lot of time without the proc)
white valley
Fair
white valley
Ill prob try get a 400 one to help with gearing. Looks like a 400 stone would be quite easy to obtain
open bluff
if you can't find a group capable of downing champ and jadefire/grong, rip
but yeah, the 400 stone will be great to help get you started gearing
white valley
What would be our bis trinkets? Smth like rezans + jes's?
open bluff
just be ready to replace it with something like rezan's if you get it within 5-10 ilvls
warm plinth
It's a solid trinket for gearing. Just gets outshined by other trinkets at similar ilevel. If you think you'll get other trinkets before you take the time to get the materials for the alc trinket, I wouldn't bother.
Rezan's is fantastic. Prism from Opulence is our best defensive trinket by a mile. Vial and Knot are both very strong on-use trinkets.
white valley
@open bluff if you can't find a group capable of downing champ and jadefire/grong, rip Were you referring to me or gible?
white valley
Oh yeah, thats why i said ill just get the 400
Cause that one is easy to get
I wonder if i can even ninja a group rn. 330 ilvl 😛
oblique garnet
@sand egret its happening for mdi
primal crypt
hell yes @oblique garnet
exotic spoke
So, quick question - For the top four trinkets - Reflecting prism, Jes' Howler, Vial of Animated Blood, and Rezan's eye - at what point do you just go with the ilvl? Is it immediate?
IE, I have a 400 prism, 400 howler, 410 vial, 400 rezan's eye with socket.
oblique garnet
Prism and 400 rezan
warm plinth
Rezan's + Prism
exotic spoke
Socket edges out right
warm plinth
I'd probably use Rezan's even if it didn't have the socket. Main stat + best secondary proc is 👌
north bloom
is it stacking brace for impact better then stacking bastion
ornate magnet
60vers72mast 405ilvl VS 59crit70vers 400ilvl + socket
go with socket?
ivory swallow
Any input on the weapon servant splitter from WCM? Is it a big enough damage increase to sacrifice the defensive power of raw stats?
warm plinth
@ornate magnet What slot is it?
warm plinth
@ivory swallow That is probably the worst weapon you can get for prot; that being said, if it's your highest ilevel, use it.
You never drop ilevel for anything on a shield.
oblique garnet
@ornate magnet 405 you never downgrade ashield
ornate magnet
cool, ty
strange horizon
Correct me if I’m wrong but any trinket or Azeroth trait that’s heal and absorb related dips in value relative to mitigation and dps ones during necrotic week yes?
Azerite trait*
warm plinth
You could say that, yes.
icy trench
100% uptime on shield block with heavy rep possible?
outer dew
maybe in arena
swift pier
hey, anyone got an ignore pain weak aura? i'd like something that says "42k" instead of 42502 or something like that
oblique garnet
Maroks one says that?🤔
icy trench
not in the raid setting though? @outer dew
i'm getting pretty close to having nearly a 100% uptime
swift pier
@oblique garnet who is marok? xD and how can i find the wa
oblique garnet
Its in the pins
swift pier
cant find it
broken kite
warm plinth
@icy trench Heavy Repercussions is not worth taking. 100% uptime is not important; effective uptime is what is important, and you should have fairly close to 100% effective uptime without having to gimp yourself by using Heavy Repercussions.
Even if you did somehow need more uptime than you could already get with AM and Bolster, Heavy Repercussions is very RNG because of SS proc resets, and anything that is both defensive and RNG is typically bad.
sick sentinel
@swift pier #268491842637660160
Marok is the one that made server, protection warrior theory crafter and writer of the icy veins guides and a steamer
@strange horizon correct
@north bloom brace is good for ST and for raid tanking but bastion its the best for mplus
@exotic spoke jes is good on in raids and not as good in mplus and vial the opposite.
That being said, prism is our best survivability trinket and combos with rezan's which is also one of the best ones
@abstract geyser you will get a lot more by stacking bastion of might, booth offensively and damage wise.
You can stack DC when there is no BoM available to you and still get a bunch of damage out of it, but at that point there are other options that give a similar benefit
@burnt hazel numbers will change all the time, you should care about them when they get released
@fallow beacon you are leaning towards the right choice, good job :D
Ok, that's all of them, going back to sleep
oblique garnet
slacker you missed one
neon tangle
The BDK channel earlier tonight
sick sentinel
🤔
primal crypt
Prot warrior lul
amirite
@oblique garnet Thanks! 😄
sorry for the slow show
wasn't prepped for proper play tonight
neon tangle
It’s funny how the community does a 180
oblique garnet
Tfw when 8.1 hit and i told warrior would be the best tank everyone just didnt believe me
neon tangle
Glick is killing it
neon tangle
The first BDK on the leaderboards right now is 28
oblique garnet
Lmao
neon tangle
I know rite?
oblique garnet
sadbox is a bdk main
primal crypt
🤔
warm plinth
Oh, we'll have to excuse him then
primal crypt
neon tangle
Yikes
warm plinth
He really is a sad box 😦
oblique garnet
Y I K E S
oblique garnet
I wonder when bdk discord gets flooded with ”Are we viable yet”
warm plinth
😂
cosmic oasis
wait for the MDI when everyone is running a prot warrior
warm plinth
"Are we any good in M+" -Newbie BDK in 2 months
neon tangle
I’m waiting for it
primal crypt
Not when i deplete them on a regular basis
novel breach
We will have made it when we are in mdi
cosmic oasis
but then we get nerf'd after
neon tangle
“Yeah we’re viable but if you really want to push keys reroll to prot warrior”
cosmic oasis
rip calping
merry cave
I don't want everyone to use war, we'll get whinged about and nerfed when all the kids see the reaping dps
warm plinth
Wasn't Sense in the last MDI?
cosmic oasis
ya but he played dk
primal crypt
Sense went bdk
cosmic oasis
everyone did
oblique garnet
The wound is still fresh
warm plinth
Oh 😬
cosmic oasis
dk was too good last exp
warm plinth
Eh, can't fault the guy for playing the meta though
It really was
There was a prot warrior though, at least for like a single run I thought
oblique garnet
Oh maybe ill call my team offmeta
cosmic oasis
ya dk compared to now was so much more fun in legion
primal crypt
That was meta
cosmic oasis
but u can say that for most specs i guess
merry cave
Just play hard mode late, go dh and see how long you can go without kiting :P
north oar
https://puu.sh/COpU6/fb193159e1.png This useful at all?
oblique garnet
Bear tank, resto shammy, feral druid, arcane mage, and survival hunter
primal crypt
Prot warrior felt so good
warm plinth
Tanks being more self-sustaining was what made them more fun imo.
novel breach
Agreed. Bdk was crazy in legion. When people running 18s with bdk 4 dps...
merry cave
Haha Jesus that trinket with avatar
primal crypt
Yeah, prot warriors woth bracers
warm plinth
@north oar It's pretty good. Be better if the CD lined up with Avatar better but it'll still be strong
primal crypt
Np
warm plinth
That's mucho mastery
primal crypt
But I promise you
warm plinth
Anger Management 🤔
oblique garnet
It lines up with half of the avatars
oblique garnet
Yamo i will beat you with bear
north oar
Iv got double traits for avatar also so it would be like 3k mast on 1/2 avatars
warm plinth
/drool
oblique garnet
Its good docs
primal crypt
I will call you latekiss
warm plinth
You'll have dem juicy claps
north oar
Cheers fellas
neon tangle
If you ignore just the top runs there’s actually a pretty good mix of classes for top tanks
oblique garnet
Then theres my boy lipkiss
primal crypt
Yeah, look at the percentages
warm plinth
We're climbing boys
neon tangle
Do 20 and up
merry cave
Been 1-2 runs short of qualifying each time because we don't play much. Maybe should give it a real shot this time
neon tangle
Prot is 46%, BDK 34%
warm plinth
😮
neon tangle
Timed runs
warm plinth
Oh, whoops, I forgot to reset to timed
neon tangle
Is more lopsided
primal crypt
Even so, prot is still fotm
primal crypt
And there are a lot of b a d warriors
warm plinth
Honestly though I'm really sad at the massive disparity
neon tangle
Next week seems friendly to monk and BDK
primal crypt
Next week is yikes
north oar
How can you be a bad warrior, its 50% press thunder clap
warm plinth
Like come on, how is it okay for two tanks to be that far ahead of everyone else. Granted it's a very small part of the playerbase, but still.
primal crypt
Bad warriors are really bad
oblique garnet
The amount of warriors doing high keys and not doing alot of damage when they could is ridiculous
warm plinth
Even if you look at all keys, the disparity is pretty substantial
primal crypt
Cant survive to thunderclap
oblique garnet
The only ones ive seen do alot of damage are glickz and naowh
warm plinth
I saw a dps meter for overall the other day where a 380 warrior did 7.1k DPS
And I'm not gonna lie, I leaked a few man tears
merry cave
Lol how is that even possible
warm plinth
I know right? Like was he just auto attacking the whole time?
Hitting Thunder Clap once in a while
oblique garnet
I mean i was watching some streamers who shall not be named and they were doing these big massive pulls and the warrior does 40k dps🤔
warm plinth
Better question is how they ever finished the run with the DPS tanking the whole dungeon XD
icy trench
3 prot war, a dh, and a healer
oblique garnet
And not being able to break 100k on reaping thats stacked up??? Hello
icy trench
m e t a
warm plinth
Yeah...who knows man. Such missed opportunities though
cosmic oasis
boys do i buy a random 415 helmet with a 3/3 chance of getting bastion or do i just wait another 2 months to buy the bis one?
merry cave
Only class to go higher on a stacked reaping wave so far is a Destro lock who popped every cd lol
willow scarab
buy 415 now if you don't have a 415 then save
icy trench
bis
cosmic oasis
got eng helmet 415
icy trench
if u have solid head pieces rn i'd save
cosmic oasis
ya tbh i'm just gonna save
gonna get the chest from champ in 2-3 weeks unless i get bad rng
oblique garnet
Nice
warm plinth
Sexy
oblique garnet
For m+?
primal crypt
Yeah
oblique garnet
Your traits were all over the place
primal crypt
I KNOW
oblique garnet
Tbh
primal crypt
they're my 415 pieces
oblique garnet
If i get good helm and shoulders next week
primal crypt
I was getting them prepped for raid
oblique garnet
Well actually i only need 2 415 pieces for fury too
primal crypt
Yeah, we'll see if I can grab the chest tomorrow
neon tangle
But why
sick sentinel
@north oar this is absolutely massive and you can use it every other avatar to destroy a pack
oblique garnet
Sadbox because my guild disbanded
sick sentinel
@cosmic oasis saying 3/3 chance means 100% chance.
What you mean is 3/6 probably which are very good odds and you should roll random
neon tangle
@oblique garnet too bad you can’t raid with us
My co-tank still hand their revered with CoA....
oblique garnet
Na?
oblique garnet
Im EU
neon tangle
I might be EU next year
sick sentinel
The new guild I'm trialling in raids 22-1 server time which is 23-2 my time
neon tangle
Might end up moving to Dublin
oblique garnet
Maybe one day i will move to NA to achieve my dream of getting 1$ tacos
neon tangle
1$ tacos, 15$ craft beer
neon tangle
I live near SF so it’s expensive here anyways
Honestly traveling to Europe is “cheap” for me compared to eating out at home
fair crystal
hey guys is would it be worth taking Never surrender over bolster on rasta prog or nah ?
just asking
sick sentinel
never surrender is never worth
you get the 100% effect when you are at 0% health
and since IP absorbs only half the damage now instead of 90% of what was in legion, so it can't even save you
fair crystal
cheers man yeah thats what I was thinking had my raid leader tell me to try it and was kinda like yeah nah bro not worth imo but thought id ask the crew
daring marlin
filthy europeans
restive pivot
Hey fellas, a few questions if I may: I am currently 400ilvl and do overall 5k healing with no bloodsport and no leech on my gear in 10-13 m+ dungeons.
1- Is that low compared to yours?
2- Would 2-3 leech pieces along with bloodsport make a real difference?
open field
I think the more leech we have the better and it’s probably lower than most others yes
oblique garnet
@daring marlin ill fight you any day
warm plinth
@restive pivot Well, imo Bloodsport is good primarily for the extra IP, not the leech. 3x Bloodsport on all 415 pieces is 3% leech. If you already had some leech gear, then cool, use it (assuming it's your best ilevel). But I wouldn't make trait choices or anything like that based on leech. It's not really something you can farm for anyway since it's a random tertiary roll. That being said, 5k healing overall seems normal to me 🤔
Assuming no leech or anything like that
Sense on a +19 with Grievous did 8k overall.
lavish oracle
Is the skittish penalty applied to all threat modifiers or just the base tank multiplier?
oblique garnet
It says tanks generate less threat
lavish oracle
Just the base multiplier, right?
warm plinth
Pretty sure that's just the base threat that tanks generate. So like Taunt would still give a 300% boost or whatever, but on a smaller base amount of threat because of Skittish
restive pivot
Thanks @warm plinth . It all makes sense to me. I was actually checking warcraftlogs healing rankings and i see topp warriors doing 5-10k healing overall with bloodsport + some leech gear.
lavish oracle
Yeah, that's what I thought but I can't find any confirmation on that
oblique garnet
@restive pivot if you have the opulence trinket that boosts your overall healing alot along with traits like vampiric speed etc
restive pivot
Roger that, I will test them when i am able to get my hands on both.
warm plinth
I haven't tested either; does RP count as healing on meters?
warm plinth
I know IP does, but wasn't sure if Resounding Protection did
restive pivot
I think not Ghash. Warcratlogs shows no RP in heal section.
warm plinth
Alright, I didn't think so but I thought I remembered Prydaz showing (could be mistaken), so I thought it might.
Thanks for checking
Didn't think about looking at WCL
sick sentinel
details show RP
restive pivot
Let me double check with wcl.
sick sentinel
that's a +12 borallus
restive pivot
So no wrong info is spread.
sick sentinel
fyi this is 2.1% leech, 1 bonded souls at 390 ilvl and we were doing the spotter cheese
so I was not generating as much rage
open field
So I guess to have bounded souls atleast one time is really important right?
sick sentinel
no it is not
restive pivot
Where is rp
sick sentinel
open field
Why it is not it seems very strong
sick sentinel
that was the love is in the air event
restive pivot
Thanks
sick sentinel
that's why that 3 tanks
@open field my other choice over the bonded souls is a THIRD DC
Bonded Souls is one of the best general traits for prot warr
but spec specific are almost always better
open field
I mean in general BS seems really strong everyone should get one or not?
warm plinth
I would probably take it over DC traits (past the first one) but other than that, prot trait is better.
It's not that BS is bad; it's that our spec traits are really good
open field
So is there any perfect trait setup? For high m+ only speaking
warm plinth
Probably 3x BoM, DC x1, and 2x IF or 2x Bloodsport
sick sentinel
talking pure HPS, 1 bloodsport will pull ahead over 1 bonded souls
assuming equal ilvl and that you use more than 4 IPs/20 seconds
open field
You still would go 3 BoM?
warm plinth
Absolutely
sick sentinel
3BoM most definitely
warm plinth
Don't forget mastery gives you crit block too, so it's a very solid defensive gain as well
sick sentinel
with 3 BoM you are basically invincible against blockable things
modest wedge
I would not. I would go 2xBoM and 1xRNG. BoM gives average 500 dps (+ mastery ofc) but RNG gives 400 dps and main stat/haste and the more haste the more better cooldowns
sick sentinel
Meteo that's exactly what I am using right now
modest wedge
i see u did the math too
sick sentinel
well my BoM headpiece was 390
WAIT I WANNA DO SOMETHING
I can go 2BoM, 1RNG and 3DC
modest wedge
3xDC is bad too
sick sentinel
does bonded souls give more dps than a 3rd dc ?
sick sentinel
is this from bloodmallet?
modest wedge
Yes. according to that
sick sentinel
it is either against a second DC or a single Bloodsport
I am fine with surviving at the moment right now
so I don't want a trait that gives me more surv
open field
What’s RNG again?
warm plinth
The engineering trait
open field
Oh
warm plinth
From the helm
sick sentinel
Most engineering things with long names are a play on words
Relational Normalization Gizmo= RNG
Ricocheting Inflatable Pyrosaw= RIP
Barrage Of Many Bombs = BOMB
Synaptic Spark Capacitor = SSC? (idk about this one)
and then you have the BoD trinkets that drop from mekkatorque
RAGE and VIGOR
willow scarab
Why do people take rng over bomb? bomb does so much damage over an entire key
sick sentinel
because it has both an offensive and a defensive value
because in builds with 2xBOM it makes your avatar come back faster
willow scarab
I'm only just starting to do keys over 15 so i'm getting all my research in
sick sentinel
because BOMB is so trash to play with, procs in the worst times
willow scarab
like on heroic throw around a cc'd mob
sick sentinel
they also sim equally on bloodmallet if that has any value to you
so if 2 traits, one that provides defense and the other does no and they do the same damage you chose the one with the defensive value
also marok recommends RNG iirc
ripe crow
prot pally 4 life
sick sentinel
@ripe crow 👉 🚪
sick sentinel
so you can say
that you play protection
@willow scarab have I sold you to join the glory of RNG yet?
willow scarab
@sick sentinel you've done it
oblique garnet
RNG lul imagine not taking 3rd BoM over ut
sharp raptor
hey guys, had a bit of a funny thought: do any warriors take reckless fury for DPS?
oblique garnet
it boosts up autoattack damage
undone sun
some people have, it's a possibility but the gain likely isn't anything significant
sick sentinel
some cheese logs do
sharp raptor
another question: is the damage from deafening crash amplified by unstoppable force, and do people stack this in M+?
flint ember
can't sleep, so i'm on here browsing and thought i'd ask... is there a site that's better for simming stats, best in bag combos, etc. I used RaidBots, but then found askmrrobot.com and like it better... just curious
warm plinth
They do not stack it, because the primary effect of DC doesn't stack - only the damage does.
undone sun
AMR is widely considered to be very, very unreliable and unusable @flint ember
flint ember
really?
undone sun
raidbots/SimC is more useable, but doesn't currently have a working, public, APL to trust
oblique garnet
yeah its outdated
warm plinth
Yeah. It looks good but it's really not a good source in most cases.
undone sun
outdated, terrible APL, wrong everything
flint ember
it has the new raid and what not though
undone sun
that doesn't mean anything
warm plinth
And if they ever claim to be able to do something that simc/raidbots can't, you definitely shouldn't trust it.
flint ember
so on AMR it had a "TUF" rating, which was basically to show you your survivability spec as prot warrior... anything like that on simc/raidbots?
undone sun
no
old zephyr
Tomorow may lose my Last bom...
flint ember
why not
ionic fern
Too many variables.
flint ember
especially when it comes to azerite traits
jade socket
flint ember
for a site that sims every combo of gear/azerite for dps, why is there "too many variables" for stuff that reduces damage taken/healing over time?
i get that about AMR, i'm asking why simc or other sites, couldn't come up with defensive simulations
i understand healing sites not being able to do anything because... reasons... but i don't understand on the defensive side
undone sun
too much time spent, lots of effort for a very little pay off
ionic fern
Tank survivability hasn't been a problem since idk when.
open bluff
Because every encounter has different damage profiles
undone sun
right, you'd have to program every single boss encounter with a bunch of different variables
such as timings
open bluff
A defensive sim for X damage profile is valid only for that specific profile
flint ember
same could be said of dps though
open bluff
Nope
undone sun
even damage simming is pretty specific, the generic profile people use and is the most reliable is Patchwerk, low movement and single target
flint ember
for gear though, especially azerite traits, you could sim based on a 3 minute fight, for example, how often it "should" proc and so on, and see what trait/gear would mitigate the most?
open bluff
Even DPS sims should only be viewed as a best case scenario
undone sun
traits that give a base stat wouldn't be that easy to find imo
flint ember
so, if you can't sim prot gear... who, or what, determines what's best in slot?
ionic fern
Your brain.
last cloud
Rng
undone sun
maths
open bluff
All of the above
flint ember
@undone sun you guys just said that there's too many variables to do "maths"
open bluff
I mean
It doesn't take much effort to see more demo shout uptime is good
Or extra mastery and free IP from BoM
ionic fern
I mean..what would you get from Defensive Sims?
Most tanks have enough tools to survive current content with pretty much full on DPS traits/trinkets so survivability is a non-factor.
undone sun
or more avatar = more rage
open bluff
Or more block
undone sun
imho defensive doesn't take nearly as much though, basic understandings of defensives should be good
open bluff
Once you understand how prot warrior works, Azerite is pretty straightforward
flint ember
sorry if i'm making something out of nothing, I truly am. I took 12 years off the game, came back at the end of legion, was MT in vanilla raiding 6 nights a week and mitigation was a huge concern... i'm 390+ right now, just trying to get better, but want to understand what deems some peice of gear better than others
ionic fern
What you need to take from this is..you can't trust any sims atm that claim to "sim for survival".
If you have questions about specific traits & situations you can ask freely
flint ember
i get that on the simming, and thanks for the offer for help, so far no questions in particular.
ripe crow
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old zephyr
One of the reasons you can't sim défense is Because sometime, taking an "unecessary" burst of Damage is reducing overall raid Damage
Ex on rastakan p1 : you tank either rastakan or the adds
Rastakan deals less Damages than the adds
So to take the least possible Damage you have to tank rastakan
Yet as you are very strong against physical Damage tanking the adds would result in less overall raid Damage
flint ember
@old zephyr if you're worried about raid damage, why are you tanking and not in arms/fury?
undone sun
🤔
undone sun
that is a variable that needs to be taken into account when considering EHP and EHRPS
flint ember
lol, sorry, just didn't want to exclude our brothers/sisters that run in fury. Raid damage, in my mind, is damage you contribute to the raid
old zephyr
Tanking is the art of reducing raid Damage
flint ember
EHP and EHRPS?
ionic fern
Raid damage as in..damage taken by raid.
undone sun
Effective health, and External Healing Required Per Second
flint ember
ok, now we're getting somewhere
undone sun
🤦
flint ember
sorry, as I said, old school vanilla tank here, EHP and whatnot were not terms we used back then, lol, or at least I didn't
sick sentinel
Get with the times grandpa
undone sun
That's generally what's taken into account in the guides like IV and Wowhead, those are also about generic situations because of many, many different variables
flint ember
cause that comment was helpful
undone sun
but they cover most occasions
flint ember
hmm
sick sentinel
I mean if u want me to give a helpful comment, stop worrying about simming as a prot warrior
old zephyr
On the rastakan kill
sick sentinel
It's literally pointless
flint ember
funny @old zephyr i was just wondering how you would parse if you're healers weren't up to par and you had to use more defensives than normal and so on
old zephyr
You don't use extra défensive as a warrior
They are on the rotation
But Let's get back on6topic
If we look at raw Damage I take twice as much Damage as the monk
So I could take less by letting him get hit more
undone sun
tanking in the current expansion is also pretty reliant on external sources like raid healers, self reliance has gone down quite a bit
old zephyr
But he Doesn't reduce Damage as much as me
flint ember
k
strange plover
Noob question, just getting back into playing my warrior, it’s been a few years. Have they changed Beserker Rage? I thought I used to be able to pop myself out of fears with it like the human racial every man for himself.
modest wedge
@willow scarab u posted image earlier where u picked overwhelming power. I would not as a tank since u get always hit. It gives u nothing basically. Dont know if this was discussed
old zephyr
pop yourself out of fear or proactively prevent them
undone sun
if i recall, it was changed so you have to cast it before
old zephyr
Berzerkers' rage works both ways
Overwhelming Power has an internal CD (the reduction everytime you are hit) of 1 sec, so it's still good for prot
willow scarab
Thanks for picking that up for me, i'll swap it out right away 😃 @modest wedge
strange plover
@old zephyr I cant use Beserker Rage when feared, its grayed out.
@undone sun I’ll try using it pre fear next time, that’s got to be it
old zephyr
@willow scarab don't it's a good trait even for tanks
undone sun
i recall it being an issue on felhounds in legion, ABT
old zephyr
@strange plover what fear effect specifically?
lucid bough
depends, some fears are undispellable by berseker rage
modest wedge
@willow scarab but u should listen to @old zephyr also. But i dont personally like it. Its gimmicky at best for tanks. And it ruins simming, since u dont get hit in sims
strange plover
@old zephyr like Rezan in AD for example
old zephyr
Both fears of AD were dispellables last time I checked, madening gaze in UR as well
But rezan is very easy to preemptively imune so It might have changed since last time i got feared
daring marlin
@modest wedge simming tanks lol
sick sentinel
you can zerker rage fears but you can't horrifies
HC grong fears you but M grong horrifies you
undone sun
hmmm
strange plover
Right, yeah that’s what I am asking. I feel like Beserker Rage has been changed to preemptive use only now
daring marlin
I’ve personally broken rezan fear after it has been cast before.
sick sentinel
you can do it while feared
daring marlin
cuz I was lazy and didn’t preemptively do it
strange plover
Okay, well thanks guys. Just sitting at work and thinking about it. Must be a different fear mechanic or loss of control I’m thinking of or something. I should of asked with more specifics
weary nacelle
Necrotic/Fortified/Sanguine week incoming in eu? Oh shit 😄
eager tartan
meta
modest wedge
@daring marlin ye, i know. but if someone looks it without proper knowledge they think it's flat out best choise
eager tartan
Btw after tanking kimbul as a Chad dark iron I wish I was alliance
Specially this incoming week
daring marlin
I like OP but I rock unstable for memes
lavish oracle
Does anyone have an addon that shows the target of Eudora's powdershot? (And potentially other intercepttable mechanics)
daring marlin
DBM should have timers for it and she always targets that person when casting it.
undone sun
both boss mods should if it's an impactful ability, could always emphasize it and put a countdown timer on it
lavish oracle
Yeah, the problem with just a timer is that I have to target Eudora and then target of target
Which is doable but not optimal
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
I did a dungeon with merticulous scheming and it procs at all the wrong times
wowhead says 1ppm and it procced 21 times in a 35 min siege
warm plinth
Ew
sick sentinel
well it's 1k haste
sick sentinel
stupid question, does it matter if I use both shieldblock charges at the same time or should I use only when first falls off
junior igloo
You can use it early, it will add the full 6s duration to your existing Shield Block
warm plinth
If you know you're going to need it for the whole duration, it's fine to use both. Usually I wait until the first is about to fall off if I'm unsure (like if an M+ pack might end before I actually need the time from the second one).
sick sentinel
cool thanks
umbral forge
Can I get some help about Conclave Heroic? I have.. quite a few questions
umbral forge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BdnXqjxr4HzZtpFf/#fight=12&type=damage-taken
Logs from our first kill yesterday (Super casual 2 night-a-week raiding guild).
I feel like I took an obscene amount of damage from Lacerating Claws
our kill order is Gonk>Kimbul>Akunda>Paku for anyone curious
autumn forum
Hey I need some advice on traits for m+ tanking. I am normally fury but tend to tank m+ (not raids) and I am wondering about traits. Atm am I using 1 thunder clap, 1, Bloodsport, 2 bastions and 2 Iron fortress. is this correct or should I change some of the traits?
old zephyr
Would the monk happen to be dwarf by any chance? @umbral forge
@autumn forum this is very good
1 bloodsport would ideally be replaced by 3rd BoM or IF bt that's actually a great setup
old zephyr
and what race are you on conclave?
umbral forge
Draenei
hushed minnow
I mean that looks pretty normal to me
old zephyr
hm, then my input would not be very relevant because I never take lacerating claw due to dwarf
umbral forge
Is it due to how our mitigation deals with blocking attacks, so an attack already on us can only be mitigated through SW?
Wait
old zephyr
however only 66% mitigation seems on the low end
umbral forge
If I get the Engineering googles that cauterize there's a chance I wont get the bleed at all?
umbral forge
Yeah. I'm getting used to Protection Warrior still.
Was a Blood Death Knight but the lack of mobility felt like a huge handicap I just couldn't play around anymore.
Going from a reactive to a proactive tank means I still need to get better at mitigating physical.
I'm trying my best at that^^
just felt like the lacerating claws did an obscene amount of damage to me
old zephyr
it's a lot, but not that much
umbral forge
Thank you
old zephyr
I don't have any log of my conclave kill to compare though sry
But I think my raw Damage taken per second was closer to 45 than 56 k thoug
old zephyr
45K raw damage taken per second
old zephyr
and my mitigation is closer to 80 than 70, so that is quite a difference on the healers
but I have been maining protwar for a while
old zephyr
the gonk thing?
umbral forge
Kimbul
old zephyr
I never get near that dude sry...
umbral forge
Oh
old zephyr
monk just solotank kimbul
junior igloo
Your damage taken from the bleed was pretty standard.
You could use another cooldown or external at 2 stacks if you want to lower it, but it wasn't excessive.
The bigger issue with the Lacerating Claws is that a few melee got hit in your group
old zephyr
In my raid if kimbul wrath happen to target one of our priest it's a wipe, so I know the feeling
umbral forge
We ended up 5-man healing the encounter
It's really nice to play in a relaxed, casual environment.
We haven't kicked anyone since the paladin who refused free ring enchants.
But it also means that we can't exactly enforce too big of a disciplinary thing to people regularly hit by mechanics
old zephyr
I like casual, but turning my back to the boss/jumping into fire tend to get borring sometimes
I have become quite good at suiciding though now 😃
umbral forge
It's a skill unknown to man
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel you can use both charges if you are going to cap your rage but it's better to hold them because you can do stuff like
SB-Shockwave and wait 3 sec-SB
that way you can SB 4times
old zephyr
4?
old zephyr
how much haste is that?
obtuse shoal
Is treacherous covenant something tanks should avoid?
sick sentinel
@obtuse shoal it is a general trait, so yes
general traits are worse than prot specific
@old zephyr like 1200
and 4 stacks of itf
old zephyr
I have that and am pretty sure I can't do It but maybe I just didn't looked enough into it
sick sentinel
I am actually using rumbling earth instead of stormbolt because my push group has enough stuns already and I use Shockwave to recharge my charges
I don't need to use last stand as a rotational ability on trash anymore
oblique garnet
i use stormbolt for extra stun on the caster reapings
sick sentinel
the reaping 90% of the time is the easiest part of the dungeon
ofc there are bad reapings like motherlode 3rd reapins
or 4rth
but that's probably just me being a bad tank
most definitely just me saying "Fuck it I will wing it"
I run with BM hunter and DH most of the time
reaping gets absolutely demolished
sick sentinel
and the only way somebody dies from the casters is if 5 casters target him at the same time
and healer doesn't do much other than dispel me anyway
since I heal myself with victory rush and vampiric speed
you can also leap or charge and shockwave the casters
and DH can also aoe stun them
I haven't seen somebody die from the reaping that was not a shadow smash death
old zephyr
or someone doing crap with aggro. mage aggro things that are comming and run away like a girl...
sick sentinel
That's just your group being bad
old zephyr
yes
sick sentinel
Or you're are not clapping hard enough
old zephyr
in can't clap from 40m
But I still have to regularly carry guildies for their weekly +10 so ...
old zephyr
I do get a lot of
"wooops sry"
quartz pond
👢 🍵 👏 is pretty cringe
sick sentinel
autumn pendant
Weep still alive lul
sick sentinel
that was from like months ago
narrow abyss
Lol
zinc vessel
how good is the diamond (415 socket) from opulence for high m+ where the dmg intake is extremely high? :S so far i have just been rocking a 410 mekkatorque trinket and a 400 socket rezan because im a haste addict, (and a 405 Jes Howler in bags i cant figure if better or not)
old zephyr
Is very good
zinc vessel
i have been trying out some crit / double BoM so i felt like haste was the only stat i needed to pump dps
zinc vessel
alrighty¨
which one should i swap it with then? all the mastery i get from BoM makes me feel quiet tanky during avatar where i usually pop the mekkatorque for dmg
but rezan procs when having downtime on avatar is so nice :S
tidal scarab
Howler is more beneficial for the whole group in m+
primal crypt
Howler can suck a fat one
tidal scarab
There is no scenario where you would be able to do triple Avatar back to back. Unless your dps is really bad and a bigger pull takes way longer than it should. Dunno, I run howler because I feel no need for rezan. I run both though on keys that I know I will likely not get 1 shot on
primal crypt
Howler doesn't last long enough
It also comes up at awkward times in your pull cadence in M+
narrow abyss
It’s ok I don’t care for howler
tidal scarab
I mean it's personal pref. Howler adds up more to the group dmg, especially boss initial bursts. But sure, rezan is also good, not saying it isn't
primal crypt
Yeah, we're just howler haters
lethal wraith
Hello, I've played warrior for awhile not, but never prot. The guild I'm in needs a prot warrior for their progression team and I was wondering what talents I should roll with for raids. These are the ones I'm going with right now
tidal scarab
Yeah my howler is 400 with socket
primal crypt
@lethal wraith best bet is to read through Icy veins
All the initial information is there
lethal wraith
I was told by the GM to come here haha
primal crypt
If you have any specific questions, we'd love to help
Yeah, the owner of Skyhold wrote the icy veins guide
lethal wraith
Oohh
lethal wraith
I love pictures lol
narrow abyss
I think discord is better for specific questions or lurking and soaking random tidbits from just seeing all the discussion
primal crypt
^
lethal wraith
Oh okay
umbral forge
Prot Warriors don't have wowanalyzer support so I get it manually from here
It helps
sick sentinel
For grievous what healer u guys pref? Made couple of runs with disco and healing was really bad group wise, he never could keep it wounds. Bad player or is disc a worse choice then other on grievious? Feels though like 90% of healers signing +m is disco
tidal scarab
Disco is bad
umbral forge
Disco on grievous is bad
primal crypt
Definitely not a disco
autumn pendant
Shaman is bad too
narrow abyss
Rdruid or monk personally
primal crypt
I run with a pally
autumn pendant
Still rather have disc than shaman
primal crypt
But im biased
tidal scarab
Druid healing is just too strong and if they catweave as well, it's like half a dps sometimes
tidal scarab
Monk feels a lot better when you need more tank healing especially on certain things as prot warrior and then 5% pdmg is also really nice
oblique garnet
shaman is better than priesty
autumn pendant
oblique garnet
in keys
narrow abyss
Not to mention there’s a huge disparity between good and bad disc in my experience
old zephyr
mnk is for 5% damage and RoP
tidal scarab
Actually there are more shammans in dungeons than disc priests, did not expect
autumn pendant
Doesnt mean they are better. And on grievious weeks shamans are horrendous
tidal scarab
Then again you will time to time see a disc on a really high key
Never a resto shamman
oblique garnet
Priests are actually the worst healers for grievious
tidal scarab
Well yeah grievous sure
tidal scarab
Really depends on key level as well
old zephyr
It was on the very low end of high
bold geyser
Shamans arent bad at grievous, bad shaman are bad at grievous
opal peak
depends on what key lvl ur talking about too
umbral forge
Bad Shamen are bad at Grievous?
opal peak
if ur talking 15 or under, shamans are fine
if the group isnt bad
and earth ele is real nice 😃
opal peak
yeah, if someone messes up and causes extra damage, it can be tough for a shaman to catch up... but just dont mess up so u dont need to be caught up
tidal scarab
@opal peak Wouldn't that be a perfect world
opal peak
lol
i mean just gotta not wipe and they can catch up 😃
I generally run with 1 - for the most part there aren't problems but there have been times where as something happens he's just like "yeah there's no catching up"
vocal skiff
So what's your take on Safeguard
Right now I use Crackling Thunder
But I saw the former doing some work in troubling bosses like tyrannical serpent in KR
old zephyr
I'd ratheruse bounding stride than Crackling
but as you said safeguard is a valid pick for some situations
vocal skiff
I like crackling because it does give a bit more control, but I will definitely test both options
old zephyr
hmmm as Jdot once said (but for druid), everything Ct gives you BS gives you to
at least that's how I see iy
sick sentinel
I actually like mericulous scheming
balmy talon
Do someone knows if you can still obtain the hidden artifact weps?
austere oar
balmy talon
Cool, but like the Arms one or Prot, do you have to equip the artifact weps for the quest to spawn etc, or the roar to show in the cavern? idk the tricks
tidal scarab
Arms 100% you can be in any spec with any weapon when the quest spawns in Dalaran. I think you had to be in prot spec for the prot one though
And if they didn't change anything since Legion, the arms quest spawn is really long, can't remember how long
Think weeks/months maybe
tidal scarab
The quest it self is in Krasus landing
Or maybe it was class hall? Fuck I can't remember, either way it still doesn't spawn like each day
balmy talon
Yeah, but you get it first in class hall
It says it got a daily spawn chance
But with my luck, prob get it in a year or so
The relogg thing for Prot is gone right?
tidal scarab
The prot one? Yeah that is daily
Think so, never tried it. Think it was fixed after a while in Legion
balmy talon
Im only doing this for Fury one actually
tidal scarab
I remember having a warrior in guild that didn't get it after months of going to the cave every day
He almost quit the game cause of it
I went in on like the 4th day and got it
sick sentinel
I just went after the hidden prot appearance. I chekced every day on my horde and ally warrior. Finaly got it on my ally after a week and a half
Arms is still elusive
limpid wadi
Arms is pure horror
tidal scarab
Can't be like Hunter's one which you just bought from the class hall :p
Fury was also really garbage before they changed how you can obtain the 3rd piece. Had to farm HoV 24/7
And wait for other 2 world boss dragons to spawn
limpid wadi
Best one was ret and disc
lethal spade
What is the arms spec hidden?
paper flower
randomly saurfang shows in dalaran and you have to ask him for a duel
something like that
paper flower
yeah either class hall or dalaran can't remember
worn reef
hey all just got the weekly conquest trinket, 20 sec vers proc with 2 min cd, i was wondering say duing that 20 second window i hit ignore pain does that mean i absorb more damage or do i just get more healing from the healer or both?
cause when i go on my character it says my damage and healing goes up 10% and damage taken reduced by about 5%, im guessing the healing can also mean my ignore pain absorb "healing"
old zephyr
i'm pretty sure it does
well the 1+ vers(10%) is first dip
and the 5% Damage reduction is second dip
lusty grotto
yeah ignore pain absorbs don't count as healing @worn reef
but vers does increase damage so it does increase absorb in that regard
plus that double dip, sure
old zephyr
the "*1+versatility" means vers is included in IP tooltip that's it
lusty grotto
i'm with blade though
Vers increases damage outright, not attack power
so it's not a double dip at all
sand egret
the damage reduction isn't a double dip in a technical sense
old zephyr
so gaining 10% vers will increase IP amount by 10% and the tooltip will stay acurate
sand egret
it's a knock-on that you get more value per point of IP due to damage being reduced
old zephyr
and you will also take 5% less damage
lusty grotto
oh
sand egret
but it's not double dipping on the stat itself
lusty grotto
if that's the case then yeah
sand egret
double dipping would be it being increased by vers then that total is inflated by another factor (healing)
primal crypt
sand egret
psst
primal crypt
Cry
lusty grotto
L2READ Blade!
primal crypt
Tanking mythic tonight
primal crypt
Need to learn first 5 bosses
lusty grotto
traitor.gif
sand egret
go in blind
primal crypt
Ez clap
sand egret
you wont