200 ap π€
#protection
sand egret
infinitely more than "none"
eager hedge
Wow, while 30 mins of wqs give 3k+ π
sand egret
lol right
eager hedge
Raiding if not WF π€
sand egret
^
lusty grotto
(or actually finishing KH3)
sand egret
mad has a point
eager hedge
Well, theyre still better than islands
sand egret
but you can just...not do em
eager hedge
Plus i like my deff traits π
lusty grotto
shrug, i do 4 islands on tuesdays... i never touch anything directly AP related after that
sand egret
it's nice, i just can't stand the grind and really ain't kicking myself to getting that right now
lusty grotto
as long as you have the 2 outermost rings, it doesn't matter lol
sand egret
ill wait for the catchup mechanic π
eager hedge
Well, it does matter a bit ^^
lusty grotto
can clear content very well without the inner rings
sand egret
for my gear so i'm ok with it
eager hedge
Im not saying you cant though
lusty grotto
the inner rings are nice, but there's no need to rush em
sand egret
in the WA channel
oh, unless tank cone is a thing
then i have no idea what you're talking about
sick sentinel
The jaina blast
eager hedge
Yes, it is π
sand egret
ah, then you could build one through details, just import it and set it to detect cast
that's what I'd try at least,
eager hedge
Looks like i have to, tho not the best with WA's
sand egret
practice makes perfect
eager hedge
True
sand egret
WA's get easier and easier as you do more
would recommend cutting your teeth on some, will help ya in the long run
sick sentinel
I made a few during legion, one specfically for...vengeance.... to track which buff I had
After that, I unistalled it and never looked back
sand egret
a tool is only as useful as how you choose to use it
sick sentinel
Which is why I refuse to use it
Because it has no use for me
I did a timewalking with the ring
like way back when
start of bfa or some shit
and realized I had my vengence wa still
I just wanted to make the WA to see how to make one
and to try out veng
veng is literally the opposite of what we want btw
I find myself not being able to spend my rage
except if I spam my IP and overcap it all the time
I just wanted to try it because the concept sounded a little cool
But in action, wow it was(and still is) the worst
fast warren
sick sentinel
Its better to have rage
I played in legion with vengence
shit gameplay
in my opinion
No, its a fact
It was shit then, its shit now
eager hedge
I actually think that WA was easier to make than i first expected
Never knew that there was a DBM trigger in WA π€
Actually an idiot π π
sick sentinel
Eh, u live and learn
eager hedge
True, now i just need to test it out though
sick sentinel
I just find it super fucking funny when everyone I know freaks out with a new patch
Addons C-V are broke
and im over here like, but have u heard of this thing called default
strong hill
^ default ui best ui
sick sentinel
I personally dont play default ui that often, so I never struggled when an addon breaks
So it is always funny seeing how many people needing some time to fix an addon that they became too dependent on
dim blaze
Last week I was ~20k dps avg in M+ this week ~17k seem about right for what you guys are getting? I figure the change from teeming/fort to tyrannical makes sense for the drop
sick sentinel
yup
Less adds w/less health
So the amount of time you spent with a group of adds last week is far less than this week
sharp lotus
Does anyone know if auto-self-cauterizing works on grievous?
sharp lotus
thank you
vapid rapids
should i take incite the pack or a second deafening crash?
sick sentinel
2nd dc
vapid rapids
ok ty
tired cove
any of u jabronis use the slowing food
sharp lotus
@indigo mural I chose the haste one . I would be worried about TCing adds out of melee range, then having that proc potentially breaking a cc thats within 8 yards of said add
but i could be wrong
modern brook
Both are good
supple path
Man, champions on mythic is really aggressively easy. That prayer for the fallen cast resetting stacks each time might actually make it easier to tank than heroic.
mossy tiger
Itβs way easier on the tank then heroic
sharp lotus
Speaking of which, is it possible to reset stacks with a well placed spell reflect, or do you need to spell reflect heroic leap?
on heroic
marble wave
Leap some kite and reflect
sick sentinel
Considering there are guilds that are 4/9 HC and 1/9 M , yes, mythic champs is literally free loot
hasty dagger
Question guys. Just powered a prot warrior to 388 and am about to start doing 10s. What are some solid tips to not get one shot regularly and how much DMG actually gets through to you while SB is up
warm plinth
How to not get 1-shot regularly: play the class correctly. Learn what the abilities do, learn what's blockable, what's not, etc. You probably want to start with taking 20 minutes to read through the entire guide from the beginning. It'll answer a lot of questions you might have and any questions not covered can be addressed in here afterward. Prot warrior is not something you really want to "wing it" on. Messing up WILL hurt.
hasty dagger
That's not what I asked buddy
sharp lotus
@hasty dagger Make sure to take full advantage of spell reflect. using demo shout then IPing is a defensive combo that is really important for countering spell casts as well. You need to make sure to not stack cds on shield wall. Dont shield block with last stand up
warm plinth
You asked how to not get 1-shot regularly. I literally answered that question. I said to learn what's blockable and what's not; that literally answered your next question.
sharp lotus
You shouldnt get bricked by physical damage, since shield block has such high uptime. I like to kepe a crit on use trink in my bag too in situations where I can make use of the parry gained from it. IE waycrest manor boss soulbound goliath with high stacks
hasty dagger
If your taking consistent DMG how big a difference will you feel when it's down for the few seconds
SB
sharp lotus
pretty significant if you are doing m+ considering mobs. my block % reduction is 50% so
if im taking 50% more damage my healer is shitting themselves
lusty grotto
its our bread and butter mitigation, if you don't have it up you're relying on block RNG
your block % should tell you around how much damage to expect without consistent blocking (aka SB or Last Stand with Bolster)
sharp lotus
I mean I am by no means the best source for info here, but I remember one of the first things people would do when assessing performance in legion was to look at shield block uptime.
lusty grotto
indeed
shield block effective up time (as in, when you're actually getting hit by blockable attacks) is the most important thing to take into consideration when it comes to mitigating damage
it helps inmensely to do what ghash said and learn what's blockable and what's not etc
when it comes to bosses abilities for example, because otherwise post 8.1 it's gonna be physical projectiles and melee dmg
daring marlin
that nimchip guy
lusty grotto
also demo uptime is super important
daring marlin
what a guy
lusty grotto
what up guil
daring marlin
idk sup brah
lusty grotto
not much not much
regal estuary
finally leveled up and beginning to gear a prot warrior alt to hopefully do some M+ smashing, should be fun once I get it rolling
acoustic sparrow
So I just gotta say that prot war feels like a dream now. I really wish it would've launched in such a fun state.
magic hazel
Warrior was always my first main to level up .. until BFA
I didnt even check what they changed to make it "fun" again, but finally started leveling him up now
magic hazel
Well thats big
lusty grotto
its really not
lusty grotto
just people didn't get used to in gcd IP, doesn't mean much. Failure to adapt perhaps
outer dew
only place it really helped
is on large pulls
and even then
it doesn't make a difference of dying or not
magic hazel
Never played with it on gcd, so to me it would be a big adaption to do
lusty grotto
it took me 1 day to get used to it
or less
people just gave up because they felt it was weird in playstyle for them
again, failure to adapt
lusty grotto
pretty much
no more uncapped IP, no more 90% IP, basically learn to play because IP will not save you
or spamming IP rather
magic hazel
Will be fun to play vanilla Warrior again when they open the classic server... see how we all do with all the comfort stuff gone
lusty grotto
yeah
outer dew
so when that shit changed, they couldn't handle it
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I still find people now that believe
acoustic sparrow
I guess everyone is different but the IP gcd changed made the spec go from awful to amazing to play. But if you didn't mind either way, then that's cool too.
outer dew
IP > SB
lusty grotto
see that's the thing, it really didn't
you probably got used to spamming IP outright, which wasn't the correct way of playing prot anyway
IP spammers got wrecked on KJ for example
daring marlin
idk man
outer dew
Lmao
daring marlin
Not much changed
outer dew
Guil cant even do /shrug
acoustic sparrow
It's not flow than anything. I don't spam IP at all but it being off thr gcd was a game changer for me.
daring marlin
Before all you had to do was alternate between tc->rev->tc->ip
during avatar
felt fine
lusty grotto
there's really no reason why you shouldn't be able to plan an IP. Is your IP about to fall off? are you about to rage cap? does your IP still has absorb remaining?
that's pretty much it
daring marlin
with SS too of course
lusty grotto
lol
acoustic sparrow
Meh either way I'm glad I can play and enjoy my war again. I like my bdk too but prot is much more fun to play imo.
light warren
hey guys, any tip on whats best trinket for us prot ?
lusty grotto
there's a lot of them
lusty grotto
do you want the list for dmg/defensiveness? for what type of content?
m+ or raid? progression?
light warren
yes that list would be nice
lusty grotto
can't really answer without those
light warren
m+ moslty
lusty grotto
ok M+, and do you want more damage or more defensiveness?
i assume damage
what ilvl are your current trinkets
light warren
i want to hear both
light warren
so that i can compare to my gear what i needed kinda
light warren
ever chilled 400 , razan 385 and core crusted 395
lusty grotto
i'll just copy paste whatever i said this morning lol
everchilled is your top dps trinket
out of the 3
butcher block might be the 2nd best
rezan is great, but lower ilvl, so its best probably for defensiveness
if you want farmable dps trinkets from M+
Rezan, Vial (UR), Butcher Block (WM) are your best bets
light warren
where do i get diamond?
final mist
sly plume
yo guys at which ilvl can i properly tank +10 keys? currently 385 but taking alot of dmg second boss atal for example
lusty grotto
you should be fine at 385
do you have logs?
taking a lot of damage in totem boss?
sly plume
yeah rezan too
lusty grotto
uhhh
you might be doing something really wrong
its tyrannical week but
those bosses shouldn't hurt
warm plinth
Yeah...logs would definitely help.
You're probably doing something wrong in your rotation. Rezan shouldn't be much of anything outside of the bleed.
lusty grotto
kinda hard to ask what exactly is spiking you so much
did you die to any of them? did you see what ability killed you for example?
sly plume
it was my first 10 run it could be that the heal was not very good
sly plume
I feel like I do my ignore pain etc correctly
sinful saddle
What traits you using ?
sly plume
just started the warrior so i only have 1 trait per piece
warm plinth
What do you mean by doing Ignore Pain correctly? The only two wrong things you can do with Ignore Pain is not cast it or cast it too much (to where you're wasting rage by overcapping it)
sly plume
im not uverusing it and i def have high uptime
sick sentinel
I think you need to do a m0 sweep
and get 6 traits
warrior traits are REALLY good
sinful saddle
1 trait doesnβt help also. You should just go farm all azerite WQ you can be at 30 in a day or 2
sly plume
think i got 2 claps and 1 revenge
sick sentinel
for mplus you need 1 clap and 3 avatars
sinful saddle
Claps are good for dmg
sick sentinel
Deafening Crash and Bastion of Might
sly plume
yeah bastion etc are on second ring
warm plinth
Tbf though, good traits or no good traits, they aren't going to make the difference between spiking and being fine. I think there's either something rotationally going wrong with the warrior, or you just had a terrible healer.
sick sentinel
oh you have the items but you don't have the neck levels?
sinful saddle
Are you using SB during last stand ?
warm plinth
Again, not really something that's going to make or break him though. As Nim said, logs would be the best help so we can determine if it's operator error or just a failure on the part of other members of the team. Those two bosses being a struggle means you had just an absolutely trash healer, or you were doing something wrong.
sly plume
I try to have avatar on cd same with sb and when I feel like a lot of dmg comes i use last stand
shoudl i use IP in last stand?
warm plinth
99% of the time, prot warrior issues are because of the prot warrior.
sick sentinel
yeah
do you have a IP tracker ( for example the one in #268491842637660160 ) ?
can be really useful
also do not be afraid to use SW when you don't have anything else up
sly plume
yeah got a set of wa for everything
sick sentinel
he said he does not use SB during LS
sly plume
385
warm plinth
I was gonna ask that too but at 388 he must have a decent one
lusty grotto
well here's the thing, the one thing that you need to consider high uptime for is SB (and cover with LS)... the 2nd thing is demo shout
sly plume
demo is on cd
sick sentinel
it does not add up
warm plinth
Well, it's one thing to know exactly what to do; quite another to actually execute it.
sly plume
dunno what kind of hps should my heal be doing?
lusty grotto
?????
warm plinth
That depends too much on the content tbh. And they have other people to heal besides you.
lusty grotto
what do you mean your heal
sly plume
he was around 10k hps in that bossfight with rezan thats what i remember
sick sentinel
his healer nim
lusty grotto
just remember it's grievous week though
sick sentinel
because it increases the damage taken by 50%
sick sentinel
and use an extrernal for the second dot
safe quartz
10k hps on rezan tyrannical means your kill was super smooth or the healer is trash
sly plume
kill was a mess π
warm plinth
Yeah, that's really the truth haha. Either everyone did everything right, or that wasn't enough.
lusty grotto
i'm gonna go with healer couldn't manage grievous
imo
i think that's the safe bet
sly plume
was a pala heal and I dropped once to 80& and never got up again
safe quartz
half the rezan fight you arent taking dmg so thats a ??
lusty grotto
yeah that's true aimbotter
warm plinth
I still think you should log some runs and post them in here for us to review though. I don't want to say with 100% certainty that it was entirely your healer's fault until we can see how you're playing.
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
unless if his group manage to trigger all raptors LOL
sick sentinel
this bleed
sand egret
sounds like your healer doesnt understand what GW does
sick sentinel
FUCKING HURTS
lusty grotto
it's a 10 though
sick sentinel
without an external
sand egret
also....
sick sentinel
especially with grievous
safe quartz
the only thing on rezan is to make sure you cover the debuff. make sure you have rage etc. you don't need to keep ignore pain up a 100% outside of that if that means you don't have it for the debuff.
sand egret
that debuff...doesnt it amp grievous' physical dot
lusty grotto
ive actually never had to get an external sub 15 for it on tyrannical
sand egret
I never really need one on that boss tho, yeah.
lusty grotto
but hes right, it might hurt a shitton on 15+
sand egret
you can just use a CD for each one
sly plume
I'm gonna try to log my next run
sand egret
if it amps GW
sly plume
understand it's impossible to analyze it like that
lusty grotto
is it gonna be the same healer though?
sand egret
then your healing not topping you off is a death sentence
lusty grotto
or was it a pug heals
sly plume
no was pug grp
safe quartz
just manage your resources that are available so you have them for the debuff thats all. dont mindlessly spend your rage on ignore pains when the healer could just heal you up instead.
lusty grotto
i fall back on it being a healer not prepared for grievous
sand egret
classic HPals
sly plume
my personal heal will be a monk
lusty grotto
bladesong trying to diss nimchipadin
sick sentinel
holy paladin and grievous never goes well
sly plume
so i'm looking forward to it^^
sick sentinel
paladins are basically gods within their CDs
lusty grotto
honestly the only boss i have problems with is siege last boss
sick sentinel
and then trash out of them
sly plume
is grevious the worst affix for tanks with tryrannical?
warm plinth
Well, assuming you're avoiding all avoidable damage, it's a healer affix
lusty grotto
guaranteed, if your healer doesn't know how to manage grievous you will have a hard hard time
warm plinth
Bring us logs!
sly plume
I will π
lusty grotto
if you hit max stacks of grievous consistently, pretty much your healer is trash
especially if more than one person in the group is taking them as well
sly plume
ok well we had a couple of ppl with 2 stacks
lusty grotto
because after a certain stack on multiple people, it is very hard to come back from that heal output wise
sand egret
but...how are people taking damage on that fight
sly plume
we also had like 4 raptors ;=
sand egret
....
sick sentinel
...
sand egret
this just sounds like a bad group, mate
sick sentinel
what
sand egret
no amount of logs will solve that
sly plume
I was just worried I do smth terrible since it was my first 10 as tank
sand egret
4 is a lot of raptors lol
well, you may have, but rest assured that even if you did your group was also not doing to well =)\
sick sentinel
one raptor is too many tbh
narrow abyss
I look at a raptor I see victory rushes π
sly plume
So you use SW as soon as you get the second bleed?
sand egret
it's just more that you want to use it when taking hits while you have the debuff
so you can do it first bleed, so it'll be up faster, you can pair LS + Demo, etc.
bigger hits = more time under 90%
sly plume
ok gonna try that out
sand egret
so it's really just knowing that is the highest AT RISK part of the fight
as the tank
sly plume
I like the warri def a bit more than my bdk so I look forward to learn what to use when etc
sand egret
also, make sure you're tanking him on the outer side to use it for LoS and allow those targeted by Pursuit to run in the water and not trigger Raptors
other than that, not much more you can do
sly plume
i always have him by the stairs so they can go los fast
sly plume
that run was just all over the place when pursuit came
sand egret
but yeah, coming from another tank, understand that Warrior is a purely proactive tank and has no reactive ways to deal with damage taken
esp if you were a BDK
sand egret
prob should get better dps while you're at it π
sly plume
shouldn't pug π
sand egret
eh i only pug
just gotta know what you're looking for, or let them know
i use ground markers quite often
narrow abyss
But yes. Prot is proactive tank. U need to know where the damage is so you pop buttons before hand. What helped me was reviewing the pinned spreadsheet of what is blockable and reflectable
sly plume
@narrow abyss I'm gonna take a look at it thanks
sand egret
shamless plug to the #268491842637660160 channel as well
narrow abyss
Yeah Iβve been gearing a baby DK for raid. Hate it compared to prot
Iβd rather tell my raid theyβre just gonna have to ride of die with prot cause I canβt stand it
Ride or die*
narrow abyss
Just random fights where BDK monk might be better
We like to pretend to min max like it matters. Even though weβre nowhere near competitive enough to justify it π
sly plume
well I stole my tank spot since our maintank logs in for raids and nothing else. gotta do well π
narrow abyss
Ha yes
Something similar happened to me
I was the havoc DH for raid
And just m+ as prot for fun
sly plume
I got sick of my mage
went to hc with my bdk 382 and tank fell out. Raidleader told me to tank instead of the other 400er bdk and it went smooth
so i had my spot lul
narrow abyss
Thatβs awkward and incredibly short term. I think just do 10s and any 400 trinket you get would be better. Leaning towards the rezan until then
IMO
patent ginkgo
ok thanks
sly plume
is the talent setup rly the same for m+ and raid?
fierce juniper
Yeah. Bounding Stride is really good on a couple fights and in M+ Storm Bolt can be really good, but otherwise all the other talents are the same.
sly plume
i see. thanks
broken kite
i love bounding stride
graceful sundial
hello eveyone...I'm looking for this wa maybe someone here got it (taken from Sense)
shut summit
exorsus raid tools
graceful sundial
ah it's exorsus...thought it was a wa. My bad, thanks for your answer π
stone imp
oRA3 has a very similar thing, if you're already using that.
quartz gyro
what is the tier 3 azerite tier list
lusty grotto
its in the icy veins guide
regal kite
which trinkets would you use in raid and which in M+? somewhat high keys and pushes : Rastakan trinket 400 with socked, AD trinket 410 and opulence trinket 400?
lusty grotto
rezan + diamond
bargain might ONLY be worth in progression where you are getting railed/killed too much
other than that particular scenario, its crap
lusty grotto
no
regal kite
so diamond really is that strong
lusty grotto
its affected by haste so yes
wispy sparrow
would yall use a 400 jes's howler over a 425 Mchimba's ritual bandages (KR trinket) ?
the str gain is nice but jes is really nice
lusty grotto
i dislike bandages a lot, but that's 25 ilvls worth of STR
whats your other trinket?
wispy sparrow
400 rezan w/socket
lusty grotto
i dont think i would use jes over it, no
if bandages were lower ilvl, without a second thought
wispy sparrow
so 400 rezan w/socket and jes would be the best
lusty grotto
no
sand egret
bandages do follow the on-use rules for mitigation π
wispy sparrow
bandages over rezan?
lusty grotto
your question was jes over bandages
wispy sparrow
oh alright
lusty grotto
the answer is, i wouldn't use jes over it, no
lusty grotto
π
wispy sparrow
would ya'll use the jes' over rezan with socket, same ilvl?
lusty grotto
its a good trinket, but its not better than rezan
last mason
would you guys drop my 3rd bom and a callous on a 400 head for the 415 engis with my 3rd dc + one of the engi traits
im guessing yea bc ilvl right
lusty grotto
correct
lusty grotto
spark capacitor
also cauterizer is good for bleeds
and bleed dungeons
like KR, AD, even ticks in UR
last mason
ok, so rng and barrage are kinda unnecesary?
is it just the extra mitigation from spark
lusty grotto
yeah OP
timber nest
would the socket beat the +5 ilevel?
sick sentinel
for weapons go ilvl always
timber nest
for prot warrior go ilevel always XD
sick sentinel
i dont agree with that
timber nest
all prot wars stats are pretty much equal for defensive purposes so ilevel is always better, more stats = better
dim blaze
Anybody have a good transmog suggestion for BE prot? Iβm currently running firelands which I like a lot but want something else to swap around to.
Oops thereβs a transmog section sorry
primal crypt
Is heed my call nerfed for us in any way?
I remember running it for a bit and was unimpressed by it's proc
ocean acorn
ya overall
hollow zephyr
How's Never Surrender vs Bolster in m+?
ocean acorn
primal crypt
Bolster is top tier
ocean acorn
dat leech
ocean acorn
i down graded my helm to a 400 cuz cauterize for KR helps
i need 1.15 ap levels
415 trait
primal crypt
ugh
Cauterize is so unreliable
I love it when it works
but when it doesn't
especially when you're in a dungeon with no bleeds
the absorbatron is mo betta
procs a ton too
I already dropped my engineer helmet though :/
to get the triple boms
neon tangle
@lusty grotto tbh Iβve had pretty low up times on the DR eng help trait
And the barrage trait sims pretty high for damage
primal crypt
barrage is the bombs yeah?
neon tangle
Yeah
neon tangle
Imagine running CC in s2
primal crypt
some priority targets XD
primal crypt
it is
neon tangle
Itβs pretty fab
hollow thorn
Did a UR 14 or w/e
lusty grotto
ah well i see people recommending spark
lusty grotto
@last mason you might wanna take a look at what sadbox said
primal crypt
hmmm
neon tangle
I think spark was oversimmig or bombs were undersimming
primal crypt
that's actually pretty solid
hollow thorn
3rd ring could be better
neon tangle
When I did it a few weeks ago bombs was .5% more damage, now it sims 5% more
Prolly why synaptic was getting recommended
hollow thorn
Synaptic is the one that gives u damage reduction right
neon tangle
Yeah
primal crypt
yeah
outer dew
You know something funny?
primal crypt
could take all the stacks, could take one π¦
ocean acorn
thats why i switched but i have 3 bom already too
outer dew
The absorbatron gives victory rush
ocean acorn
ill prolly switch it back later
outer dew
In pvp anyway
ocean acorn
oh ye
outer dew
The absorb shit counts as an honorable kill in pvp
Gives you fat victory rush in arena
primal crypt
lmao
hollow thorn
Cus u "kill" the bot
ocean acorn
thats funny
night ermine
Did anyone have Trouble getting the spell reflection tracker WA (marok) to work?
it simply wont pop up for me.
last mason
@lusty grotto wait so was the consensus now that barrage dmg outweighs synaptic mitigation
oblique garnet
@night ermine the spell reflect tracker doesnt have anything but bosses that are reflected and cast times
night ermine
yeah it doesnt show for me
at this point i gotta learn what spells i can reflect from which boss, it simply wont pop up
reimported twice already, changed nothing, loaded correctly etc
wicked ruin
sorry for the noob question, but what does trigger the free Revenge?
ebon hound
And dodges
wicked ruin
cool thx!
lusty grotto
yeah @last mason
i don't know why i doubted you two @daring marlin @outer dew
totally reflected cyclones
last mason
someone confirm in writing that multiple dc doesnt extend shout, and that only one is required, and that any more is for dmg, need to screenshot for someone
sick sentinel
@swift pier all that heal is from Victory rush???
lusty grotto
multiple traits don't add up on duration increases, they don't work that way at all
before 8.1 there was a pin that said which values did add up on additional traits
last mason
ik, the person doesnt believe me
lusty grotto
well he can try it, wouldn't be hard
plenty of pieces have DC, just log it and see how much DC extended demo shout to
lusty grotto
errrrr
outer dew
well
maybe specifically for me
i die every time it targets me
learned it hard way in +17
lusty grotto
i did it twice, but one of the times the other stupid snake casted
and my butt clenched hard
sick sentinel
@last mason gismo is better than spark capacitor in my personal opinion for mplus
sick sentinel
You can tclap with like crackling and it will proc on the furthest fucking target
And hit the ground doing nothing
I went dc/gismo/op on my helm
Also, barrage is only offensive, spark capacitor is mostly defensive but gizmo is both
Also, just checked icy veins, it says pick gismo
@lusty grotto @last mason @hollow thorn
teal kelp
are prot traits > Bonded souls for raid?
sick sentinel
Yes
cosmic wraith
So quick question for you guys, Iβve recently dusted off my prot warrior and Iβm still pre 3.1 390βs (each with no deafening crash) With time in mind, would it be worthwhile to downgrade to 375 with new traits and hopefully one deafening crash or just use what I have and save titan dust and hope for Azerite in heroic ?
Iβm mainly running m+ btw
daring marlin
I'd say yes.
You'd still have more stamina on the S2 370s over the 385s from S1
also two outer rings instead of one
and the str gain is minor
50ish more armor without factoring the str gain(for helm anyway)
I'd say definitely grab the 370s since the double traits are so powerful.
sick sentinel
370 double traits> 385
sick sentinel
They can't handle the damage
In all seriousness, pm me one, it might be in your end
last mason
@sick sentinel pmed u
sick sentinel
I get a 404 as well
last mason
is it on wcl's end
last mason
well anyways, my issue on all these m+ runs is that I feel like I cant gen enough rage to stay up outside of avatar
echo granite
hello guys do u have some good pwar wallpapers?
swift pier
@sick sentinel dont think much of it was from victory rush
sick sentinel
Yeah you do huge overall healing due to IP and vamp speed in reaping waves and other stuff
But like 22k hps is a bit absurd
sick sentinel
10k overal is completely normal
sick sentinel
Is that 1x bonded souls?
swift pier
2
sick sentinel
Ohhh that makes a lot more sense
sick sentinel
It is good for mplus especially during unavoidable damage + grievous
last mason
should i be taking never surrender in M+? ive been taking bolster this while time
sick sentinel
You have to know when to get it
undone sun
no
swift pier
always take bolster
sick sentinel
@last mason no
swift pier
bolster is op
undone sun
never take never surrender
sick sentinel
Bolster is SUPER good
swift pier
use it pretty much on cd
helps mitigate so much
i stopped holding my stuff
i just pop it
and try to get them back up asap
sick sentinel
You need to have knowledge of the dungeon for that
swift pier
well for fh its rly ez
swift pier
first part kinda annoying cuz of poison dmg
kinda hate it
im trying out siphoning on my wep
i think its better than quick navi
not sure tho
would like more info
undone sun
highly doubtful
sick sentinel
It's like 120 leech right?
undone sun
leech is negligible at best
swift pier
think its 100
swift pier
its 9% of my overall
sick sentinel
Not the same as 600 haste proc
last mason
like how often should i be having rage for ip outside of avatar
last loom
alchemy trinket any good? for prot
sick sentinel
@last loom yes
@last mason historically, I have had the problem of having too much rage and not knowing where to spend it
Do I keep overcapping my rage
Or else I cap rage lol
Are you using an IP tracker?
sand egret
first instinct is that you're hitting IP way too often
second is that you're not using SB as much so your IP gets shredded so you're constantly playing catchup
proactively mitigating the damage you take (via good cooldown usage, etc) will sustain each IP for that much longer.
if you're losing 50% of it because of one auto-attack, you'll never catchup
last mason
^ i think thats exactly whats happening
sand egret
prot is funny like that
last mason
apparently im hitting it too much
sand egret
it's a lose more/win more game
last mason
but then that seems weird because it seems like such a small shield
sand egret
you're either a beast your you're getting shredded and that's very much on the player
IP is a smoothing tool
swift pier
whats azerites and talent choices for pvp as prot? i tried the pvp channel but i dont think they do prot pvp much
sand egret
not a mitigation tool
sick sentinel
The only times I get absolutely fucked is when I press IP, my sb runs out and I have fucking 29 rage
last mason
and i have an ip tracker but not sure what i should be looking for when using it
sand egret
lol love that moment
sand egret
ruh roh
last mason
yea i feel like I press it too much, then end up having no rage for anything
sand egret
@oblique garnet
swift pier
does he have an armory i can checkout?
last mason
so how can i fix that? should i jsut consciously press it much less often?
sick sentinel
Your are running 3xBoM+DC for pvp, right late?
sick sentinel
Sure lol
sand egret
it may sound really dumb @last mason , but try not to panic when you tank. It leads to double presses etc
oblique garnet
they are not optimal for pvp since there are better alternatives on defensive pieces etc
sick sentinel
What rating was the 11-0 in 3s ?
swift pier
what pvp talents?
sand egret
try and focus on maintaining SB uptime first
swift pier
never surrender for pvp?
last mason
so i should never be ip-ing if itll go beyond 1.3c right
oblique garnet
I was running same talents for pvp aswell but like never surrender could be better depending on what you were against
last mason
oh i finally got one of the logs to work!!
oblique garnet
I love it when we were against double hunters tho
sick sentinel
I can pm you my WA, it's a modification of that
last mason
anybody mind taking a look at it?
oblique garnet
they literally couldnt kill me
last mason
its a 12 td
oblique garnet
Blade in m+ we are essentially never wasting rage tho
sand egret
Yeah, but that doesn't change the concept.
oblique garnet
All the rage you spend bring your cds back faster so theres no harm to spend that rage on ip if you have revenge on cd for example
sand egret
AM mitigates the downsides of non-optimal spending, but that doesn't change the fact that you should be conscious of not spamming it
sick sentinel
Sometimes revenge is not free but I overcap ip because I just got hit by something huge and didn't notice I parried it lol
sand egret
esp if you have issues with your overall rage
last loom
warriors a faceroll tank change my mind
oblique garnet
@swift pier what kind of comp are you thinking of using?
last mason
undone sun
isn't RNG rage spending with free revenges fun...
sand egret
haha the ol' DONT BE FREE
last mason
not exactly sure how to read tank logs, but I just need confirmation as to how im mismanaging my shit
swift pier
was arms tho
sand egret
damit
oblique garnet
i ran with havoc dh and rdruid
last mason
i think its IP, but would still love if someone could breeze over that
oblique garnet
the combined cc and mobility we have coupled with prot warriors peel actually is disgusting
undone sun
i remember in ToS and ABT for legion, it was the biggest fuck you if you got a free revenge while trying to dump lots of rage
abt more so because of the BC CD being a crucial part of the rotation
oblique garnet
Your overall dps is bit low sleepy did you kill basically everything with cannons?
sick sentinel
WithI 30% parry (with a gore-block proc) its almost always free
sand egret
would be nice if it still "counted" as spent for a Free one
or instead it wasn't a free
but like a refund or some shit
sand egret
but yeah, wanting to burn rage and having to abuse your IP key stinks
last mason
my dps was low probs because i spend more time trying to not die because i suck at the spec than actually dpsing
sick sentinel
30 sec cd avatars easy lol
oblique garnet
idk
last mason
and our strats were probs a bit to complicated when compared to the key
oblique garnet
glickz was saying something about anger management having soft cap or smth
oblique garnet
yeah
undone sun
so im going with a confirmation bias
sick sentinel
I don't think this makes sense
sand egret
with IP off the GCD, i wouldn't be surprised if there was some underlying logic but that seems weird.
undone sun
there never was in legion
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
nothing has changed with AM since then either
sand egret
yeah, seems odd
oblique garnet
Idk he was getting avatar off cd in 47 seconds pretty much
sick sentinel
I mean, there is a kind of a Cap on how many rage you cam generate per second
oblique garnet
pretty much yeah
undone sun
sure, but not while spending rage a CD wont get CDR
oblique garnet
and like if youre using revenge and get a free proc its basically wasted gcd
in terms of rage usage
undone sun
yeh
sick sentinel
Theoretically you can get an avatar of SS->TC->SS->>tc
last mason
@oblique garnet was there anything defensively in there im blatantly doing wrong, there has to be
sand egret
any particular parts?
looks like you got hit by 5 Cross Ignitions on Korgus....which should be a 0
oblique garnet
youre demoshout casts are pretty low considering dungeon lasted 46 minutes and you have cast it 50 times
same with avatar
sand egret
yeah 10 last stands in 45 min
last mason
yea the last boss was a shit show
first time tanking in that camera angle on the stairs
sand egret
you go like almost 10 minuutes without casting Last Stand
multiple times in the dungeon
assuming you're pulling at a solid rate, that seems off
sand egret
just something to work on
being proactive comes with practice
also don't forget that this week is GW. Mistakes made this week just hurt wayyy more
last mason
i noticed that also, so hard to recover
sand egret
we don't really have much in the way of getting ourselves >90%
so you need to make sure that top 10% is thiccc as fuck
unless you get some clutch VRs
π
sick sentinel
If you use last stand before you fall under 90% , that 10% is more
If you use it with 4 stacks
last mason
when u pop shout, do you ip immediately
sick sentinel
It's gonna truck you for more
When I pop shout, chances are I also pop avatar
And avatar gives me a free IP
Also when shout, you might need to use SB with that rahe
Over ip
signal plover
Tbh idk what happens when I press avatar becuz I blackout and come back to my senses 20 seconds later on top of the dps meter
sand egret
yeah one last thing before I need to sleep, looking at simply melees you take over the dungeon, there's a bunch of instances where you're only blocking like 30-40% of the hits
sick sentinel
I have been maining prot since the release of bfa and I still think that SS gives me 20 rage when I press it when I know it gives 15
I don't know why I think that
Makes me feel retarded
oblique garnet
π€it only gives that little
@sick sentinel ima be honest with you i actually didnt think it was only 15
undone sun
nothing special afaik, use cds and leap out of range
modern brook
isnt it blockable?
primal sable
huh, didnt know i could outrange it
modern brook
i was thinking of shockwave
primal sable
can i leap out of every one without the talent?
undone sun
would have to look at logs to see the timings, i don't recall t hem off the top of my head
neon tangle
If youβre tanking him by the bones it seems like youβd be more likely to mess that up than to die from indigestion
Looking at a glick log
Damn that hits hard at lvl 20
I lied, sorta hard
With SR and IP up itβs 146k
Seems manageable at levels way beyond most of us
The real thing that blows my mind looking at stuff like that is that he only needed 9k EHRPS
In a 20
sick sentinel
Hey
oblique garnet
Sadbox its because as long as you do dungeon mechanics properly you dont really need big hps etc
sick sentinel
That's pretty good
primal crypt
we had a siege lined up for score
oblique garnet
Ive been way too busy slacking
primal crypt
accidently killed the NPC on the last gripping on last platform
didn't even know that was possible
sick sentinel
LOL
oblique garnet
YikeS
primal crypt
we all left our computers
sick sentinel
How many bolsters had the guy
primal crypt
and just walked away for aminute
uh...he gained every mob
including 3 of the monkeys
oblique garnet
It stops at certain point
sick sentinel
So he basically oneshot everything he touched
oblique garnet
The big bertha is scary af to walk close to
sick sentinel
How do you do 3rd boss with him bothering you tho
sick sentinel
Oh
sick sentinel
Nice
oblique garnet
Dancing around big bertha is the best minigame
In s1 it oneshotted me through sb and overkilled me by like 700k lmao
sick sentinel
Well he's big
primal crypt
lmao
I've felt it as well
RIP the key that way before
melee me and proceeded to destroy my team
only because boomie got hit immediately after
lmao
couldn't root
rough bane
Hello, just wanna ask which race do you think is the most viable choice (in terms of min-max) for PvE as Prot Warrior
oblique garnet
Bloodrlf
primal crypt
any of them are really good @rough bane
oblique garnet
Elf
primal crypt
whatever you like
rough bane
Really can't choose between Blood Elf or wait for a Zandalari
oblique garnet
Belf is better
primal crypt
I really wish I was a belf right now
dense flame
on hiigher keys for atal. To deal with the packs that have the guard that gives the dot. Is there anything fancy you can do to reduce the total number of dots you receive?
primal crypt
@dense flame Bop
oblique garnet
Run
oblique garnet
Yamo how are you still awake
dense flame
okay, I guess nothing fancy except good old kiting π
primal crypt
so i'm waiting to eat one
primal crypt
oblique garnet
Just gonna move to na and get a job at like mcdonalds or smthπ€
primal crypt
lmao
sick sentinel
@dense flame show them how skilled you are at the game and parry the bleed application
outer dew
@oblique garnet just be alliance
oblique garnet
@outer dew and be stuck at opulence? Kappa
outer dew
@oblique garnet plz. It depresses me enough. Why must you remind me ):
oblique garnet
Hey dont worry
I dont think im even gonna raid this week since we have like 5 raiders whose pc has broke up playing apex legends xD
outer dew
Deadass
oblique garnet
Nojoke
outer dew
Apex legends crashes too much for me
oblique garnet
100% it includes like a bitcoin miner or smth
outer dew
Course
Easiest way to fund the game
Debating about picking up the new metro game though
But epicgame launcher meme doesn't bode well with me
oblique garnet
Generally been a good game series
outer dew
Too many launchers