devastate feels bad to press
#protection
lusty grotto
i agree on the devastate part, i loved devastator because after so many expansions after TBC you could finaly not spam it
that being said, you don't press it that much anymore
but i understand
the play style
neon tangle
I prefer the BDK playstyle, less GCD capped, pressing DS feels like you've "done something"
no devastate-type abilities that are just filler
lusty grotto
gotcha
neon tangle
also a vaguely more interesting resource system π
lusty grotto
did you play BDK on other expansions though?
neon tangle
nah
lusty grotto
just this one?
neon tangle
yepyep
neon tangle
I only really landed on warrior because it's what I tanked on in cata
and I hadn't played since then
lusty grotto
i mean there's really no argument to make against preference hehe
modern brook
What?
lusty grotto
that's cool though, i only ever see class switches like that in dps outside of the usual rerolls
modern brook
Yes there is
Ur opinion sucks and u should feel bad for having it-an ar gu ment against preference
neon tangle
to be fair though, I -tried- BDK during that fun period of time were all the prot warriors were getting benched, pugging m+ was dumb, etc
also leveled a monk
lusty grotto
were you forced to bdk by guild or did you just decide to do it?
ah, so you tried other tanks
neon tangle
just decided to try it, guild explicitly said they were fine with me staying prot
vocal skiff
I was about to successfully tank my first +10
and then people failed in the last boss of tol dagor
so annoying
warm plinth
π¦
neon tangle
tried pally too, but that never made it past the class trial
lusty grotto
yet there's always that one ranged that decides to stand in africa
by one, i mean two
neon tangle
monk felt like all the stuff I hate about warrior (very spammy) but without dank thunderclaps to make up for it
lusty grotto
they chug down those cannons and make it hard for melee to soak shots
neon tangle
and stagger is not fun unless you're taking big hits
lusty grotto
i don't think ill ever main a different tank class
honest canopy
Was amazing
analog swift
Can I get this every 7 seconds? Kkk Iβve maxed out survivabilirt
honest canopy
I am in fact ranking a Heroic Bod now on my bear
lusty grotto
never tried, never will... i did all the mage tower tank challenges, didn't like any
honest canopy
Its very different
neon tangle
I swap around classes most expansions, mained bear, prot warrior, enh shammy
now BDK
neon tangle
different strokes I guess
neon tangle
pally just felt SLOW to me
lusty grotto
pala is just meh
wary gyro
Pally has 0 mobility
neon tangle
@wary gyro I tried a tauren pally and that was a mistake
cow walk feels so slow
on a slow class
warm plinth
You didn't think that paladins were slow enough, so you went with the biggest race π
modern brook
Bestlf
wary gyro
yeah my pally is a tauren he just kinda mosies around
modern brook
π ± elf
yall ever bit ur tounge while chewing gum
I'm tryna ignore the pain
but its still hurts π’
neon tangle
the true price of BDK though is the 100's of lightfoot pots I've burned through
warm plinth
/cast Ignore Pain
tacit onyx
when you buy random 415 azerite, is it just azerite pieces that drop from dungeons?
warm plinth
Yeah
lavish oracle
To be fair, I blow through lightfoot potions on prot too
sand egret
haha @neon tangle your reasoning for ditching your warrior to bdk is the exact opposite of my ditching my BDK for my warrior
neon tangle
@sand egret I think there's an interesting spectrum between GCD capped and downtime, too much downtime and you get bored, too many GCDs and I feel like each individual ability feels less "impactful"
sand egret
yeah, my thoughts on BDK were like....."im just sitting here twittlin' my thumbs..." (which is fine since the spec is paced differently) but I also started my wow career on a rogue so the shorter GCD has always had my heart. I prefer the "hectic" feel, which is why I gravitated to War
never felt good with classes that had some sentiment of "you need X haste before it feels good".
keen galleon
Bladesong if you wanna feel really hectic try out prot paladin
Stacks haste, always feels like it's about to die
Perfect!
lusty grotto
yikes
quick rock
so how often do you all use IP i mean ive always played a war till legion i didnt like the changes so i stop but im feeling it again and just not sure IP is really great over block since most everything in wow is blockable
steel mauve
you dont IP over block unless the damage isnt blockable, ip is a secondary AM not a primary one
you use it to smooth damage intake, but you always have block up when tanking some thing that melee's
wintry furnace
I tried looking but I couldn't tell But is there a soft breakpoint for Prot warriors and haste?
quick rock
no theres no soft/hard caps
stark sage
potentially, but that still doesnt affect the value of haste in a meaningful way to where you would want to adjust your gearing
ie
ilvl > haste > everything else
wintry furnace
Okay, So a 15 Ilevel upgrade on my ring would be better, even though it's Vers/mas over haste/vers
stark sage
yes
steel mauve
i think its more accurate to say there IS a haste cap that is unobtainable
stark sage
i'd imagine there are soft breakpoints with sblock CD and how it relates to specific encounters
but its negligible because you should be hitting those points with baseline haste + itf
keen spire
Guys I'm doin' it. I'm goin' back to Prot. π‘ My guild can't stop me. 
You can't stop me. 
Here I come 
foggy plover
guys can someone help me with what trinkets should i go to get for prot warrior and what enchant should i put on the weapon and shield?
sick sentinel
The soft cap of haste is 100% because GCD stops getting lower
@foggy plover 
, #268491842637660160
For enchants etc, for trinkets ask when you're done with the icy veins guide
undone sun
can't put enchants on shields, haste for weapon
lofty drum
anyone got any news on tidy platyes update for reaping? (maybe another addon)
vocal nimbus
there isnt any
lofty drum
For the people having trouble with Reaping i had the same issue as MacGyver_30 described (the Reaping mobs' nameplates looked like they weren't engaged in combat). I went in the settings under Threat System -> General Settings and checked "Non-Attacked Units". For some reason this enabled threat coloring on the Reaping mobs, but it will color them as if they are attacking an off-tank when they are attacking me. Also the Tormented Soul and Lost Soul will show up as not having agro on me when they are casting their abilities.
Hope this helps π It worked the same way on the snakes on Merektha as well.
I found this tho
signal plover
Isn't it an issue with the mobs rather than the add-on?
lofty drum
not that I have any clue on how to do it but someone else probably does ^^
vocal nimbus
reaping mobs dont have a threat table (or whatever the term is) which nameplates addons pull info from
vocal nimbus
if the addon cant pull the info the name wont get colored
undone sun
considering more than just tidyplates is having issues with reaping threat, i'd imagine so @signal plover
vocal nimbus
for the better
signal plover
Rip
fierce juniper
hmmm
vocal nimbus
i guess you should be able to use global emotes here π€
undone sun
π€
candid ledge
warm plinth
Sims aren't super reliable yet. You should use the higher ilevel piece.
halcyon crystal
is it worth to pick bounded souls
sullen jungle
Hmm to go Bloodsport for more IP absorb for raiding. Or Rezan's Fury forr more Dps
umbral aurora
worthy dagger
is it worth stacking overwhelming power?
sullen jungle
Whatts yourr thoughttts rezan fury or IP Absorb?
lusty grotto
You seem to be having an issue there with your keyboard
worthy dagger
but what about the overwhelming power trait
undone sun
it's less about if OP is good for stacking, and more about what're your other options
lusty grotto
It is worth stacking, if that's your goal
lusty grotto
Lifespeed is s class in our guide (icy veins) for defensiveness
That means top of the top
Gutripper and OP are solid for dmg
So it depends on what you're looking for
Lifespeed is also decent for dmg I should add
Just not as much as the other 2
worthy dagger
yeah and its a permanent 80+ haste
unkempt fox
can someone explain why rezan (rng) is higher in the list than gigavolt (nonrng)?
ebon hound
more number
acoustic wagon
From a design standpoint solutions that require the player to manage rng are often incentivized via overturning. Often with trinkets you pay a premium for control, since it allows you to align your trinket with damage windows.
unkempt fox
ye but i supposed the ability to line it up with avatar is more valuable but i guess im wrong
acoustic wagon
It may be more valuable in practical settings like progression, but that is not what simultioncraft models
daring marlin
@unkempt fox rezan has a pretty good uptime
and odds are good that itβll be up at the start of a pull with avatar
Itβs 1ppm so if youβre pumping real good you might be able to get it up in your next avatar anyway lol
sick sentinel
rezan is better because it does more
sick sentinel
400rezan+s and 400 gore+s life
bright pagoda
been 3-4 weeks of daily checking for hidden legion prot skin, i guess i just figured even around 7.3 to 7.3.5+ other classes i did that had similar types of thing like mages etc triggers to let you know you had a chance at it, or guaranteed. it was within 1-5 chances at the maximum to get the skin
daring marlin
heh
sick sentinel
I just parried all but one tank busters from yashma in a 15 lol
bright pagoda
i keep coming up false,true despite having heard the emote i searched the cave forever, including spots people told me to check again, inside the dungeon itself
sand relic
whats normal uptime for shieldblock
like what should uptime be
cause our warrior tank is getting crushed by heroic grong
sick sentinel
is he dying because of throw or bleeds
undone sun
more about % of blocked hits
sick sentinel
well bleed cannot be mitigated and throw aswell
sand relic
hes getting smacked
sick sentinel
in a fight where are the are tank swaps he should be blocking almost all the hits
undone sun
throw is mitigated by Spell reflect
sick sentinel
yeah only that which isnt enough mostly
specialy if he has 2 or more bleed stacks
I don't really se a reason why he is not blocking 100% of the hits even
if you link some logs we can check it out
but please do in #449510248579858432
oh he said heroic
idk how you can die in heroic
sick sentinel
well at least on mythic mistake is death for heroic it isnt really
you can just spam IP and live when you can use block
signal plover
he said he's getting crushed tho
i mean
it's irrelevant to the discussion what difficulty it is
sand relic
whats normal uptime for shield block tho
like he said he cant keep shield block up 100 percent
undone sun
effective uptime should be high
signal plover
effective uptime should be close to 100% coverage of melees if he's using last stand+bolster to cover gaps
sick sentinel
yeah you cant and you musnt its about % effective time
not how long you keep your block up
sand relic
so it is possible to keep shieldblock up 100 percent ?
signal plover
no
signal plover
that's not how warr works
sand relic
i wanna make sure hes doing shield block corerectly
sand relic
thats y i wanna kno whats normal uptime
sick sentinel
link his logs we can check it out
signal plover
it's not that simple tbh
sick sentinel
more shield slam damage xd
sand egret
ahshshshshs
final mist
Worry about DPS after surviving.
sand egret
man knows his snippet tool
final mist
He needs to play better, basically.
sick sentinel
he didnt block smashes at all
final mist
I'm on my phone so I can't look at it too deeply, but I can see enough to see he's not playing well at all.
sand egret
I mean the 62% hits speaks volumes
undone sun
oh, i was looking at jadefire, because that was linked
sick sentinel
also for some reason he is taking more bleeds it seems compared to other tank
undone sun
Residentsleeper
signal plover
there's a lot of variance pull to pull
sick sentinel
yeah no SR on grong at all
sand relic
u lookin at grong
final mist
More importantly, why isn't he here himself to see why he's doing badly?
sick sentinel
also only 3 avatar casts
on 5 min fight
he took a smash in the face without shield block
sand relic
because he thinks he knows how to play because he played it forever
lol
so im trying to help
i play a warrior as well so i thought id ask
final mist
π€
undone sun
oof
sand relic
how is his shield block uptime
astral crystal
damn how'd he get outdps'd on jadefire by a fucking monk
sick sentinel
^
grand trellis
I had the same problem with my old guild leader, he was my pally co tank, he was to proud to goto the discord and ask for help so I did it for him.
sick sentinel
he should change his playstyle and way he understands spec alot
sand relic
he got 1 shot
sick sentinel
his rage generation is so low aswell cause he doesnt use avatar
and using revenge when he doesnt have buff
final mist
If he's not going to ask for help because he's too good for it, you telling him isn't going to change anything. Tell your RL he sucks and is inting your prog.
See if that fixes it.
The only way a tank gets 1-shot is if they fuck up - he's bad, and it's only going to get worse the deeper into Dazar'alore you go.
sick sentinel
he is also overlapping his Last stand with shield block
astral crystal
8 shield block casts on your latest wipe π€
sick sentinel
yeah lots of mistakes overall from what i have seen
sand egret
Yeah, it's pretty yikes. If he won't acknowledge his own faults, I'm with Sal. Only gonna get worse.
signal plover
he's using devastate way too much
astral crystal
his CPM is also pretty law for a prot warr
looks like he's sitting on his abilities more often than not
low, not law
austere grove
How do you check block uptime and how much dmg u blocked?
astral crystal
oh wow yeah he's devastating more than thunderclapping
undone sun
damage taken, hover over melees hit
astral crystal
that is bizarre
austere grove
ok ty thyme
sick sentinel
this is straight up wrong
thyme is back as usual he answers 2 times faster then anyone else π
sand relic
ok so what can i tell hiom to help him
sick sentinel
oh man that opener π
astral crystal
tell him he got roasted in the prot discord Kappa
sand relic
they are making him tank first now they switched him
undone sun
β€ @sick sentinel
astral crystal
that won't change much, he's dying because he's just not using his abilities
and he's overlapping his mitigation
sand egret
that opener legit makes me question if he thinks Devastate is like Sunder Armor or something lol
sick sentinel
simple tell him to check guides or prot warriors streams to get feeling of the spec he is playing it wrong
way he uses his mitigations his defensives or rage generation is bad
sand relic
so that means hes not shieldblocking corretly ?
sick sentinel
no
undone sun
not necessarily
sand relic
lol
astral crystal
it's his ability priority that's the problem
sick sentinel
he's basically doing everything wrong
final mist
It's his everything that's the problem.
undone sun
could use improvement on number of smashes blocked, but general effective uptime wasn't terriblwe
signal plover
imo he's not using any sort of weak auras either
undone sun
it's just his overal play is bad
final mist
Tell him to use Spell Reflect before Bestial Throw gets cast on him, its reflectable. See what he says.
sand egret
π
undone sun
i've been playing since vanilla, i know what's right, shut up!
sick sentinel
wait is it reflectable or mitigation only?
undone sun
you reflect the dot afaik
signal plover
^
final mist
Throw is reflectable. You still get thrown but DoT is donezo.
signal plover
have to preemptively hit it tho
undone sun
sick sentinel
ah yeah for a sec i thought why im taking damage still then
final mist
It's incredibly helpful since that shit wrecks us.
sick sentinel
yeah it does
sand relic
ya he keeps dieing
austere grove
Do you guys a prot warrior works better or worse than a DK in the last 2 bosses on heroic?
signal plover
in what aspect
sand relic
i dont kno what to tell him to stay alive
austere grove
Like survivability
signal plover
i'd say much smoother dmg intake
austere grove
Thinking they might do more magic than physical dmg no?
undone sun
she casts that the entire length of the fight right?
signal plover
yeah
signal plover
it is
sand relic
hes dieing without getting thrown
signal plover
even at reasonably high stacks
sick sentinel
for jaina prot is good really good cause main damage is simply blockable
sand relic
so whats he doing wrong if hes dieing without being thrown
sick sentinel
for blockade dk has big utility with slowing adds but again damage was really easy to handle
final mist
@sand relic He's playing wrong at a basic level. He doesn't understand the fundamentals of the spec.
austere grove
Been playing DK in raids but was thinking of swapping to Warr, just wanted some second opinions
signal plover
prot is rly fuckin gud in BDA
i mean second opinions in the warrior discord r prolly one sided
undone sun
π
signal plover
IM STILL HURT OK
austere grove
Yeah but I want the right opinions 
undone sun
should see how much i shit talk bfa warrior in other discords Kappa
sick sentinel
but yeah prot warrior is great both for raiding and m+
final mist
You left all those ones too Thyme.
sick sentinel
but yeah i also shit talk prot warriors in raids so we dont get nerfed
signal plover
boom roasted
undone sun
nah
sick sentinel
its really good now
signal plover
kekgudjoke
undone sun
big class changes "planned" and it's the end of BFA
by default it's going to be good because no more bfa
undone sun
π€’
sick sentinel
yeah big stuff coming on 8.2 if any players left by then
austere grove
someone linked that grong throw could be reflected, ,what site was that?
signal plover
he meant 8.2
sick sentinel
why would you make a system that will obviously fail and replace it after a year xpac came out
austere grove
I remember legion having one for m+, what we could reflect etc
undone sun
austere grove
ty
signal plover
holy shit quickest paste in the west
sick sentinel
it's in #268491842637660160
signal plover
u try hard
abstract geyser
what you guys think, i have 405 tuskarr, 400 chill, 385 jes' howl with socket
370 rezanz
with socket
for m+ what would you guys r un
sorry rezan no socket
sand relic
so we are still dieing constantly on grong
this is miserable
ive done this before alrdy, but im trying to help my casual friend guild
this is so not fun tho
oblique garnet
hc or mythic?
neon tangle
@austere grove prot is good (and was arguably really good in 8.0 too) but itβs still unforgiving of mistakes
And doesnβt do much to let you know where you made mistakes
Prot bring FOTM is pretty great
rancid pier
@undone sun same
undone sun
π
oblique garnet
is warrior on top of the leaderboards now?
oblique garnet
xD
neon tangle
south bronze
whats the current m+ build?
neon tangle
Same as always
oblique garnet
3x BoM 1 DC 2x IF
daring marlin
idk man
neon tangle
Lipkiss is still #3 overall tank though so whatcha gonna do
neon tangle
I think glick is running double bloodsport right now
neon tangle
I'm still waiting for Voracious to be the talent pick for BDK
final mist
Hey, I know that RDruid :pogchamp:
neon tangle
I wish I knew an rdruid at all
oblique garnet
I mean double bloodsport aint bad
zinc creek
i think we will see alot of prot warr on upcoming MDI
hushed cobalt
3 bloodsport, 3 blood siphon, siphoning on weapon. Ez 8% leech
oblique garnet
The nerfs are coming anyways
oblique garnet
@primal crypt have you seen the price pool in mdi btw?
Thyme also start playing again the game is good
sand egret
give him thyme man
oblique garnet
Blade
undone sun
lol
sand egret
he may be late to the party
undone sun
says who
oblique garnet
Have i ever told you how much i hate you
sand egret
not today, no
sick sentinel
So I'm going to preface this with the fact that I have no clue what I'm talking about. But a prot streamer I was watching mentioned something about prots using a fury trait to increase auto attack damage. Anyone know what this is about?
oblique garnet
Blade do you have kids?
undone sun
reckless flurry
yes, it increases the ST damage but from what i know, at a marginal level
oblique garnet
No point taking it over prot specific traits
final mist
It might theoretically be a DPS increase on pure ST over some other trait.
Probably not worth taking.
oblique garnet
Probably will
sand egret
unless he knows some secret....like Prot getting Reck?
oblique garnet
But 15k dps on pure st without is not bad
sand egret
π
undone sun
considering prot doesn't have reck, only half of the trait matters
auto attack damage
undone sun
thymehands i want BC back
neon tangle
@undone sun Hey you never know, one of the best blood traits was a frost one
that they removed
sand egret
PotM?
undone sun
yeah
sand egret
yeah i never got to rock that
undone sun
no longer recommended because it got changed in 8.1
oblique garnet
BoM still working as arms is ridiculous
neon tangle
that's fab
oblique garnet
Went 11-0π€
neon tangle
At the very least that's what we do on opulence
neon tangle
You mean how much block mitigated, or how many attacks you blocked?
neon tangle
Look at damage taken, you can use negative aura filters
fair flint
so im off tank for Grong meaning im the one that gets thrown but i keep getting trucked by it, i have been trying to have a cd up for it (idk if i have to but i am) but even then i keep getting trucked by it, i read on icyveins there's ways around it like SR just before he gets the throw cast off or charging to the other tank right as he throws me but the SR 'trick' doesnt work i still take dmg and the charge 'trick' just bugs me for a sec and does the dmg anyway
what am i doing wrong?
neon tangle
click "shield block" until it turns red, then do the same for last stand
sick sentinel
19.55% i wanna see how much damage taken i blocked
neon tangle
that will give you attacks taken w/o SB or last stand up
lucid kelp
how rough is it on a DK to tank Paku on heroic forever? debatinbg if I can just hold Kimbul forever and Fireblood off his bleed at three stacks but not sure if thats gunna get my other tank killed
feral hound
So I'm trying to find suggested ilvls for mythic+ levels
lucid kelp
Ok cool
sick sentinel
is that bad?
lol im still trying to perfect it but i felt like i was dying in p3 easdily
neon tangle
yes, sorta, someone who knows more about the jaina fight would have to tell you tho tbh
sick sentinel
and we had undergeared players
neon tangle
I haven't done it yet
guild went right to heroic, will see her next week
generally speaking though, 23 casts in a nearly 12 minute fight of SB seems low, you go long stretches w/o using it
you cast last stand twice
sick sentinel
yeah i tried to save it for oh shit
neon tangle
well that's problem 1
sick sentinel
but i think i need to use it more?
sick sentinel
before or afetr 2x SB?
sick sentinel
i guess my problem is a lot of fights with taunt swaps i SB then i cant last stand
neon tangle
You should use it to fill the gaps in SB uptime
sick sentinel
or lose it idk
neon tangle
I'm confused what you mean you can't last stand
sick sentinel
i mean i can, but i worry i'll waste it
lucid kelp
I think he's saying if he SBx2, then there's a taunt swap >> By the time he needs to taunt again he's back up to 2 charges of SB
neon tangle
if you're going to be tanking, and you don't have a SB charge available, use last stand
sick sentinel
^^ yeah
lucid kelp
I dont think there's any fights where you need to swap that often tho...
neon tangle
If you're in that spot that's fab, but considering that you're taking that many non-blocked hits
you aren't
last mason
anybody have a good avatar wa
lucid kelp
WA for what for avatar?
neon tangle
@sick sentinel You're very far away from over-using your CDs at this point
a lot of the strength of warriors come from how fast our CDs come back off of CD
and if they're not on CD you're not benefitting from anger management
neon tangle
@sick sentinel
Here's a random good log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RVnATNKLH2rgMJxm#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=1&sourcebuffs=-12975.-132404.-871
10 attacks taken the whole fight w/o SB up, 39 casts of SB vs. 23 on yours
and their fight was 1:40 shorter
4 casts of last stand vs. 2
@last mason I just use my bars for that
oblique garnet
@fair flint whats your other tank?
outer dew
oblique garnet
Grong if youre tanking 90% of the time
neon tangle
That feels like a self-imposed problem tho tbh
get your other tank to take a few hits while SB recharges, save your healers some mana
oblique garnet
yeah we had some issues because we had to switch tank so we had like massively undergeared other tank on our kill
neon tangle
tbh I'd bet an undergeared tank w/ AM up > geared tank w/o it
broken kite
uh
fair flint
@oblique garnet dh
hidden ether
hey can anyone look at my logs for me? Just curious how i can improve
if there is anything obvious let me know
sorry didnt see there was a log review channel!
neon tangle
well for one
don't overlap shield block and last stand
you did it on literally every last stand cast that fight
you're letting avatar/demo shout get out of sync
you should ideally always go in cycles of demo+avatar, demo, demo+avatar, demo
since the demo CD is exactly 50% of avatar
@hidden ether ^^
You had a number of times where you didn't get the full extension on demo shout as well
narrow abyss
Finally got a rezans!!!!
neon tangle
you took ~40% of your incoming attacks w/o SB or LS up, if you weren't overlapping those abilities you could get that way higher
narrow abyss
How do u check that sadbox
neon tangle
@narrow abyss congrats!
neon tangle
warcraft logs lets you filter by aura/buff on attacks taken
narrow abyss
Or u just going by buff uptime
neon tangle
click a buff once and it's green (attacks taken with buff up) twice for red (attacks taken WITHOUT buff)
narrow abyss
Yeah Iβm pretty much set until I start to replace gear slowly with mythic prog. Stoked
neon tangle
so make shield block + last stand red
give you the # of attacks taken w/o your guaranteed block up
neon tangle
yeah it's certainly not straightforward
that log is most of what I look at for people tbh
gives you the pacing / timing of avatar+demo, tclaps + demo uptime, shield block + last stand overlaps easy to see
bright pagoda
every other class that has had a similar hidden skin mechanic like legion prot skin. after 7.3 patch or so it got easier to obtain, sometimes first try if not 2nd guaranteed or 3rd at last. ive got 3 1/2 weeks camped out in highmountain each night for rested exp, fly over to the entrance on ettin side. no emote(saw it once, but no shield and showed false true) i guess its just super rare. thought all of the hiddens got upped on 7.3/7.3.5
neon tangle
maybe if I get inspired I could just fix the wowanalyzer module
echo cloud
so noob question here on the jaina fight does shield block actually do anything my guild had me tank it on normal and we sucessfully did it just wondering?
warm plinth
Ice Shard is blockable
Check the blockable/reflectable spreadsheet in #268491842637660160 @echo cloud
daring marlin
poop
sick sentinel
i hate those purple and green circles on reaping pulls
lavish oracle
Have they fixed the bug where shadow smash hits the wrong location yet?
Haven't had it happen to me today but I can't be sure
sick sentinel
No they haven't
lavish oracle
Small indie dev
undone sun
well now they are Kappa
lavish oracle
Gottem
oblique garnet
@sand egret Is it time?
undone sun
π
oblique garnet
What if
Guardian druids are actually sleeper op
and only Lipkiss is ahead the curve?
sand egret
do ittt
oblique garnet
Only 4 more levels to go and one more character and i can quit leveling till next expansion
sand egret
lol
oblique garnet
Tbf i only need to gear up 2 more characters aswell
teal kelp
what are the best raiding trinkets for prot warrior?
sick sentinel
vocal nimbus
At least uldir yes @outer dew
ocean acorn
lez go 11 % leech lol
sick sentinel
wtf that's a lot of fucking leech
11% leech means you have leech in 5 items of a decent ilvl
warm plinth
How much leech is 1%?
lavish oracle
40
flat reef
as long as it's strength, and stats are good is a fist wep viable as a upgrade for prot?
flat reef
ok. ty i just got one from emisary that is 15ilvl higher and was like huh?
warm plinth
Only reason you don't hear about fist weapons much is because most BfA fist weapons are agility
warm plinth
π
flat reef
for answering my q π
keen spire
How important are those inner rings for prot? Do I need to level my Azerite neck past.. 33..?
Because I definitely havenβt
undone sun
they're essentially "free" traits, higher neck level also increase the ilevel iirc
you don't really want to stop gaining AP
inner traits likely wont make a difference between life or death but they're a nice benefit
sick sentinel
some traits like IV are huge
marble wave
Never surrender is just heal parse talent, or usable anywhere now?
undone sun
never useable
marble wave
@undone sun glikz used ns for rezan in ad, and spec after 1st boss π
undone sun
would like to see the logs on how successful that went @marble wave
sick sentinel
I would go with gore block+ rezans
ocean acorn
hmm interesting
sick sentinel
for mplus anchor makes an arguement
but I have started using a 400 gore block and bleeds have stopped being a problem
ocean acorn
only m+ tank
lavish oracle
Wait, what does parry do for bleeds?
sick sentinel
you can parry bleeds
like KR and atal dazar for example
you can also parry reaping dots
undone sun
hmmm, like the tics or the ability that applies it
sick sentinel
the ability that applies it
undone sun
yeah ok, that makes more sense
lavish oracle
Oh, the initial hit, sure. Okay, thought you meant it somehow reduced the tick damage. I was like "how did I not know this!?"
Are Berserker's severing blades parryable? I don't know that I've ever parried one
sick sentinel
yes
hollow kite
looking for a good name plate addon anyone know one?
undone sun
Tidy Plates, Threatplates, Kuinameplates, elvui's built in, bdnameplates
it's mostly preference
hollow kite
thanks
sick sentinel
yeah that parry is insane did KR and parried 3 bleeds
marble wave
@sick sentinel but didnt standart block blocked bleeds too? So why crit from gore so important?
sick sentinel
blocked attacks still apply their effects
you still take the bleeds
the attack that gives you the bleed is blocked but you still get the debuff
if you parry an attack you don't take its effects
vocal nimbus
@hollow kite plater if you like customization a lot
sick sentinel
Is there a hard cap on cdr from anger management
amber siren
no
sick sentinel
But what if there was
undone sun
then there would be Β―_(γ)_/Β―
but it's a hypothetical that doesn't need to be delved into
sick sentinel
Is there any way to get a lot of rage to spam with? Like vaelestrasz 
I've been noticing weird times where my CD doesn't seem to change when I spend rage. So I'm looking for an avatar cast below 50 percent cdr
undone sun
do you have the logs of when it does that
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3xPVzMLTaJpR2nrD#fight=17&type=casts&source=2&view=events&ability=107574&phase=3 is a good example but im still looking
I could just look at the rage gen in the log and compare but it's early. Anyway just a theory. Maybe it's a buggy UI element
oblique garnet
most likely if you have used revenge to spend rage
you have gotten revenge proc the moment you press it
so you dont use rage
sick sentinel
I thought of that and see it with ignore pain also
oblique garnet
ill take a closer look after this dungeon
blissful vault
I have rezans 385, bandages 400, butchers 385 and a blockades which pair for m+?
open field
Guys use a Vial of Blood 380 or a Sinisters Glad Medaillon 385? Both on use (Glad Trinket Vers on use)
open field
Hmm idk
shy yarrow
what would you use out of 400 butchers 400 rezan or 405 vial for m+?
open field
Rezans is BIS by far as I know so use it on all situations
waxen talon
i would go crit > haste for m+.
shy yarrow
talking 12+ up
zealous ore
Rezan and butchers for sure
sick sentinel
Rezan+butchers performs amazingly well
shy yarrow
yeah when they both proc , its fairly amazing π
near furnace
Hey all. So I've been gearing my prot warrior up since she's my alt, and I can't figure out why my HP is so low, outside of maybe my neck still being a little low (only 32 atm)? I have 3 Season 2 385 Azerite pieces, and overall 391 ilvl but i only have 274k HP unbuffed
near furnace
Okay, thanks
sick sentinel
we have less HP but we mitigate a lot more damage so it's completely fine
dim blaze
For M+ only would you do bonded souls or brace for impact?
dim blaze
Ok I saw some streamer pushing 18s and 19s running bonded souls on 2 of his pieces. Thought there was something I was missing.
Think it was glickz
olive merlin
any must have weak auras for prot warrior aside from the pinned spell reflect tracker?
dim blaze
Hah actually just found it. Heβs still running bonded souls over brace on his shoulders. https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Glickwar
Totally understandable if thereβs specific strats a guy like that would want that I wouldnβt wanna try to replicate, but interesting he chose souls over brace.
steel mauve
Almost always the prot specific traits will be better than a generic piece outside of a few very specific conditions
undone sun
@olive merlin ip and block tracker in #268491842637660160
sick sentinel
@dim blaze you don't take blindly what the literally number one player in the world does, he is playing a completely different game than you
dim blaze
Yeah figured - thanks guys
Thatβs why I was checking to make sure there wasnβt something I was missing from the guides
hidden ether
Thanks for the review idk how I can get better at timing my shield block and last stand
sick sentinel
I got back to tanking raids after doing mplus for so long and holy shit
I found myself playing like a fucking retard
patent flower
I have a 400 rezans that I dont take off at all...but Ill siwtch between my 420 barnacle and 400 Diamond Refracting prism with a socket depending on if I want dps or absorb.
cobalt trellis
how is jainas dps trinket for m+ for prot? does it proc from tc and rev?
oblique garnet
@dim blaze i was watching glickz stream earlier he has different sets he uses for different dungeons afaik
flat arch
anyone tried Lingering sporepods with decent high ilvl? 400+? im watching Naow atm and he is using it but maybe that cuz he got nothing else atm?
signal plover
last i saw he was boostin his warr and didn't have trinks yet
sick sentinel
@flat arch sporepod is actual garbage
flat arch
cheers
dim blaze
@cobalt trellis Jaina trinket is really good for damage when I run it in M+ it does 5% of my overall damage (so roughly 1K dps)
steel mauve
Ya most likely because he has nothing else, sporepods is a scrapper spec
primal crypt
@oblique garnet where they show the prize pool?
fast warren
Hello bois, new prot war here π
dim blaze
Good choice itβs super fun
fast warren
Yea I've been blood main since bfa came out and wanted to try something new
hollow thorn
18k on Normal Jadefire isnt even r1
oblique garnet
@primal crypt its on the last bluepost about esports like the lan event was 100k and before that was like 12k or smth so might actually have some incentive to get in
@primal crypt since we are competing in different brackets we can share some strats js 8)
abstract geyser
@sick sentinel I got the 405 tuskarr from the turtle cache
sinful saddle
What has made prot warriors so good in m+ ?
sick sentinel
The entry to play even half assed has been opened up
lucid bough
warrior is still the same as before but now we do more damage because of 1 trait and the new affix is more suitable to aoe avatar burst
we got buffs too - ip ofcgd, armor buff and sb reduced cd and blocks ranged attacks
sick sentinel
With the only real significant one being ranged block
But in reality it has nothing to do with us
More that bdk got some nerfs that affected them in m+
lucid bough
if the affix would stay the same, bdk would still be top dog no contest too
sinful saddle
I thought it might be an aoe dps thing with the affix.
sick sentinel
Nope
sinful saddle
I have a warrior and have recently levelled a blood dk which is about 15 ilvl a under my warrior but it feels a lot easier to tank on ie mob control and positioning
sick sentinel
Our kit just so happened to fit the affix like Astra said
sinful saddle
What traits are people stacking ? Last time I checked glick he had 3x ignore pain
sick sentinel
Ideally 3xBoM, 3xDC
With two pieces having both of them coming from the raid
I'm doing 2xBoM/DC and 1Bs/Brace
sinful saddle
Cool. Thanks for the help
oblique garnet
Again glickz has different sets for different dungeons
halcyon crystal
is iron fortress worth it
sick sentinel
Yes
halcyon crystal
startet warrior recently and ive somehow low dmg and some kind of aggro problems
halcyon crystal
well my gear is just 390 and my friends running with 410+
halcyon crystal
the lab ?
sinful saddle
Tbf if your friends are running in bursting all cds to aoe a pack down you might struggle until you get a TC or 2 out
teal kelp
So when you have last stand/shield wall up should you be using shield block and ignore pain as well?
sinful saddle
Donβt use shield block during last stand
halcyon crystal
its hard to outaggro a dh who has 20 ilevel more and bis traits
and bursting his cooldowns on pull
teal kelp
Also, what is the best way to reset stacks on champion of light without tank swapping?
teal kelp
Like is there a best time to do it
Like on a certain cast
Also at how many stacks of the debut?
Debuff
sick sentinel
However many u start to feel it
And it depends on what level ur talking about
On mythic, during her divine cast
Heroic/Lower, during her stance switch or wave of light
strong hill
@teal kelp you will probably have 6-8 when she does the prayer. If you time it right they drop just before she finishes crafting. If not go for a walk and they will drop with time to spare
mental scarab
With no SB up we kinda are
strong hill
On that fight or in general ?
teal kelp
Well I guess at times. Like for example I did heroic mekkatorque last night, and on some tank swaps Iβd be running a bomb out or something and come back to tank swap with no rage therefore I have the boss with no mitigation up and get smacked
I guess just preemptively pool rage?
graceful mason
Mekka kinda sucks because of his nature damage
sand egret
im no expert but a charge and a SS gives you enough for a SB
teal kelp
in general should I be prioritizing ignore pain or shield block?
teal kelp
Thatβs what Iβve been doing
sand egret
ideally both
teal kelp
Just making sure
I rerolled to prot from boomkin about a week ago. So still figuring basics out
sand egret
i believe he smacks with ramping magic damgae so that's kinda just shitty in general
sand egret
ii'm 397
sick sentinel
Yeah, if ur new to this its going to be hard
sand egret
so thanks
sick sentinel
405
primal crypt
@oblique garnet my strat is go balls to the wall
strong hill
^
sick sentinel
Were u more concerned with gearing or with learning?
teal kelp
If youβre talking to me both
Essentially gear comes with time
Playing an under geared tank makes you learn or want to learn quick
lusty grotto
our icy veins guide covers the basics
"feeling squishy" though, is usually bad play in these parts
oblique garnet
The dot on first boss is nasty
lusty grotto
?
sick sentinel
Champions
sick sentinel
Its very much, use SW fight
lusty grotto
he didnt say mythic champions though
its a whole different thing since you can actually reset comfortably there
oblique garnet
So ill just sometimes take the blind so i can get some safe time since it moves slowly and by the time it reaches one of the dps its gone
lusty grotto
he said heroic mecha, so im thinking he didnt just jump into mythic champs without knowing how to play
if you dont know how to play, and you're trying to reset stacks on heroic champs, you're gonna have a bad bad bad time
probably best to just 3 tank or just tank adds
open field
Guys in the Spell Relfec/Shield Block guide I see that you cant block the sharknado but you actually can is it not up to date or did they change it or something? Cause I could swear last time I did the dungeon as tank I blcoked the sharknado
narrow abyss
Idk I stay in and take no damage
sick sentinel
U can still block it
narrow abyss
Just me or are you starting to see prot warriors everywhere
open field
Probably comes down to what keys you run like how high
A MDI player Tell said Warr is the best
sick sentinel
I'll wait with baited breath when MDI comes by
lusty grotto
yeah we had that corrected because sharknado is blockable for sure
or actually not sure if it was corrected
sick sentinel
corrected or not, it is blockable
open field
The guide says its not blockable
narrow abyss
^
lusty grotto
let me take care of that before i forget
dusky seal
fast warren
Its good
sick sentinel
It can work
lusty grotto
@shut summit it's your blockable guide right (shark tornado is blockable)
sick sentinel
But don't use it on m+
lusty grotto
so the reason treacherous is kinda meh
is that its usually on the same ring as BoM
and BoM is superior due to the fact that its almost the same dps (per current WIP sims) and provides a defensive boost
as in you gain more by using BoM than TC
sick sentinel
It's more that the more of it u can stack the more damage u take if u dip
lusty grotto
and of course that's the elefant in the room as well
sick sentinel
It's such a high risk/high reward that it ends being bad
Probably good for raiding, PROBABLY
lusty grotto
the answer is basically BoM is superior
sharp lotus
is multiple DC for M+ just a meme or is it actually good?
lusty grotto
that's pretty much it
sick sentinel
It's actually good
lusty grotto
there are a lot of DC pieces also
sharp lotus
thank you
lusty grotto
but extra DC damage is good for overall dps
especially with BoM π
because that mastery is gonna buff your attack power for it
sick sentinel
On top of increased TC damage
lusty grotto
yup
sharp lotus
thank you
sick sentinel
I'm honestly shocked no changes have been made so far
narrow abyss
Me too
sick sentinel
And I can smell 8.1.5 around the corner
narrow abyss
But that makes me worried itβs a heavy handed nerf not just a BOM trait tweak or whatever
The longer it goes on
sick sentinel
It'll probably receive a limit cap
Only 1 BoM gives Mastery, more doesn't increase it
It's the simplest and easiest way to do it
narrow abyss
Iβm honestly ok with that
sick sentinel
If that were to happen I wouldn't be shocked that 3xDC, 3xIF becomes the new setup for m+
fast warren
Will they nerf our dmg tho π€
lucid bough
Hope not, if not this affix we would not be this popular
sick sentinel
They would have to compensate for it
narrow abyss
Do they tho
fast warren
With my luck it happens when I ding 120 on my warrior xd
lucid bough
and no damage we couldnt really contest bdk in m+
fast warren
lvl 40 atm π
narrow abyss
I mean even if they nerf alittle bit of damage. still way better state than vdh or Druid
fast warren
Warrior is alot better raid tank than DK?
sick sentinel
If it's a minor damage Nerf, yeah not expecting something
sick sentinel
But if it's something big, u cannot expect us to get by when big damage is our 2nd gift
fast warren
Looking at the current world ranking list, idk
Warrs are doing really well
BDK main here btw π
sick sentinel
A lot of fights favor our insane physical dr
lusty grotto
looking at world ranking list for class performance π€·
figured you were a reroll heh
sick sentinel
WF
fast warren
Idk if I should have started lvl monk instead of warr tho π€
lusty grotto
it means nothing
sick sentinel
Ask dream groove
fast warren
our guild already has 2 prot warrs
sick sentinel
Id also chalk to people are getting over the honeymoon period of bfa
And actually looking at classes/specs more than not at all
brisk rain
yo, I got forced to be a tank, again, what are the trinkets i should try to get, for both raids and dungeons
narrow abyss
Rezan. Vial. The trinket from opulence
lusty grotto
rezan/jes your 2nd for defensiveness
outside of defensiveness: Rezan, RAGE, vial, butcher block, Knot
and Anchor
narrow abyss
The diamond is insane. Itβs like 20-30% of my dungeon healing
restive pivot
Btw, i have been having aggro issues as prot with -10 ilvl than my party and was a bit worried. Now that i am only -2~ ilvl lower it has been solved. Just a personal reference for any new prots out there.
eager hedge
Anyone got a WA for Cone on jaina last phase?
Would be nice cus apparently its not possible to make it more noticable in DBM.
Possibly a WA showing when its inc with a timer
fast warren
You mean the tank cone?
wide slate
anybody ever get random extra stacks of shattered (the tantrum debuff) on grong?
eager hedge
Yeah
eager hedge
Well, theyre monkeys
sick sentinel
Well goodluck
fast warren
π
sick sentinel
I love that @eager hedge 's profile pic before BoD was a red angry face and after BoD it's a green smiley face
eager hedge
Cus lazy people in guild got 36+ neck level π
sick sentinel
Uldir was not fun, right?
eager hedge
Meanwhile im chilling at 44
lusty grotto
shrug im 37
eager hedge
m+ dont give ap though
sand egret
totally does
sick sentinel
but I keep them for AK