but i like the KR raptor best
#protection
lusty grotto
vocal nimbus
i've got the crawg and i dont even care about mounts
sick sentinel
Hey was watching the GM of limits stream and saw he was gemming mastery, not seen many people doing this and just wondering why this might be ? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/illidan/Maximumw
lusty grotto
who knows
lusty grotto
i mean yeah it makes sense for crit blocks
lucid bough
he explained
outer dew
prob also some bosses have high uptime atm
lusty grotto
yeah there you go @lucid bough got it
sick sentinel
Ahh ok thanks
hidden ether
So is stacking DC a meme or no?
lusty grotto
its not
steel mauve
its good dps for aoe\
lusty grotto
it just brings nothing defensively
hidden ether
yeah i know it was i just didnt know if it made us to squishy
is it better then BoM for aoe?
lusty grotto
hell no
hidden ether
so triple stack BOM and DC for the win 😛
lusty grotto
mastery = attack power
hidden ether
just didnt know which one had more output
lusty grotto
a flat dmg increase will always be inferior
steel mauve
BoM is extremely high dps, in m+ it's king
it's possible TC may be more dps than DC, but i dont have numbers toi back that up
hidden ether
Currently 2x BOM 2x BFI 1x DC 1x bloodsport
steel mauve
and possibly other traits, TC and DC could be on the same ones but i havent looked at the items rings so idk if its always bom and TC
hidden ether
could trade both BFI for DC
west kayak
I run BFIx3, DC, BoM and IF.
hidden ether
M+ or raid?
spark mortar
So is anyone else out there getting absolutely trucked by Kimbul in Heroic?
west kayak
Both atm. I could run DCx3 and BoMx3 if I needed to.
spark mortar
I keep seeing my Blood DK and Paladin co-tanks getting shredded and anything more than 2 stacks for me feels like I'm tanking Zul's blood debuff.
lusty grotto
?
steel mauve
shouldnt be taking more than 2 any ways
spark mortar
Even 2 feels rough at times. It hits pretty damn hard - and I watch my poor Blood DK friend just melt
lusty grotto
uh oh here it comes
hidden ether
Oh we are hitting that Friday what order do you all go in? I'm thinking gronk 3rd cause no debuff?
winged elm
Gonk Kimbul Paku Akunda
spark mortar
We are doing Gronk Kimbul Paku as well.
hidden ether
Why gronk first?
winged elm
less people getting silenced
bright pagoda
can you just log out for the hidden legion prot skin? wondering if it will just show no emote and ican pick it up
winged elm
Because you start with Gonk and Paku
lusty grotto
no @bright pagoda
hidden ether
Ahh I forgot about that as tank
spark mortar
Mages spellsteal Paku
steel mauve
ya most orders ive seen are gonk > kimbul > paku > kimbul
winged elm
You mean Akunda last but yeah
steel mauve
ya akunda last
open bluff
as long as kimbul's second and akunda's last the other two don't really matter 
hidden ether
For normal I just tanked paku to max stacks but I am way over geared lol
open bluff
but gonk first is definitely less annoying
winged elm
Conclave, at least on Mythic is about the push times so you don't get bad overlaps.
bright pagoda
can a mage spell steal forever on that fight? figure they would run oom unless they didnt attack
steel mauve
ya but also mages get the buff too if paku stays up
winged elm
If you don't have a mage to spell steal it can just be purged off
bright pagoda
yea
oblique garnet
@hidden ether you can tank paku in hc to full stacks aswell and just do the tank switches everytime the other one dies
bright pagoda
nimchip is there something special that triggers it or im just wondering if leaving my war outside the vault and checking each day is fine, most of the info is mixed from early patch to a few comments in 7.3 flying into obsidian overlook
lusty grotto
theres a roar sound and an emote
steel mauve
enter the cave and you get an emote
lusty grotto
the chance is daily though, so just keep trying the next day
steel mauve
you can find the macro online and use it to see if it spawned that day as well, i entered the cave early on and got the emote but didnt see it and it never did the emote again for me but the macro still came back true eventually so i had to use it
bright pagoda
ok so camping outside the cave each day should be fine then
lusty grotto
indeed
undone sun
From exeprience the emote isn't guaranteed, using the script is though
old night
Go to every pile of gold to be safe
Took me about a month
But you'll get it eventually
sly lintel
wraith hemlock
So, about the Howler's trinket... Is it better to use it when I'm alone or when surrounded by 4 peeps?
oblique garnet
Yeah so what artifact you were talking about an what does it look like?
lusty grotto
the only hidden artifact we have heh
warm plinth
The hidden appearance from the back cave of Nelth's Lair
oblique garnet
Again
lusty grotto
looks like deathwing
oblique garnet
No clue what it looks like
oblique garnet
Eh
warm plinth
Easily my favorite one ❤
oblique garnet
Everyone knows slutmogs increade dps by 150% and that doesnt fit into any of them
undone sun
spikes shield best shield
warm plinth
😂
undone sun
dont @ me
ebon hound
if only you could mog the weapon seperately
warm plinth
@undone sun You and your damn spike shield
undone sun
lol
warm plinth
Yeah the weapon leaves something to be desired
ornate magnet
not sure if it's been asked already. is it worth it to craft 415 alchemy trinket?
warm plinth
But yeah when I was "farming" it, I just went to the edge of the cliff inside the cave each day, ran the script, and when it was true, I went looking through the gold piles.
If you aren't likely to get another 400+ trinket soon, I'd say it's worth it.
I actually did see the emote though, so I didn't have to rely on the script to tell me it was there.
undone sun
i don't recall if i did, because the 3 hours of me "farming" it blur together
ebon hound
yeah I was just helping a dude find his quest, never even played prot in Legion and I saw the emote and went looking
warm plinth
Oh yeah you got it before they fixed the relog thing huh
undone sun
yup
warm plinth
Lucky. Though honestly going to a cave once a day really isn't that bad. My monk's hidden appearance (arguably the best artifact appearance imo) was obnoxious. Having a single chance every 3 days (and having to make sure you had the ancient mana) was just stupid.
red dock
whats the best way to deal with bestial throw?
red dock
DId not realize it was nature, ty
undone sun
it's not
lusty grotto
spell reflect before throw
you will not take ticking damage
use SR + full IP and you will survive
otherwise wall before throw
if you don't have any of those up for any reason (you should almost always have SR + IP)
you can call for an external
red dock
Tooltip shows the squeexe is physical and ther landing is nature. Can I not SR in the air?
undone sun
red dock
lusty grotto
if you SR before youre thrown
you take 0 ticking dmg while gripped
or rather @modern brook did
so at least in heroic you are able to survive easily with SR + full IP before the throw
unsure if it works on Mythic
i believe it works
steel mauve
Sr before being picked it, during cast
inner trail
thats exactly what that image says
steel mauve
You cant do any thing during grip
lusty grotto
that was sarcasm iron
inner trail
'use reflect before being grabbed to avoid ticking damage' learn to read please
steel mauve
Ive sr'ed before the grip and the damage negated
inner trail
ok
steel mauve
You can sr in air to reduce the damage of the impact, but doing it before the grab literally avoids the 5 second grab damage
red dock
It helped a lot, ty guys'
steel mauve
Idk why it works that way but ill take it lol
Usually on mythic before dmg reductions the grip dot does like 150k so you avoid all of that damage and just take the impact nature damage
undone sun
chances are, yes so ask questions
modern brook
why am i pinged?
lusty grotto
phantom ping
daring marlin
hushed sand
Yo, any advice on trinkets for mm+ survivability ? I have RAGE 415, Rezan 400, Howler 385, Vial 400, Vectis 385, any tips ?
vale cloak
is there a specfic cast that i should try and speel reflect on jaina for optimal dmg?
lusty grotto
checking @swift pier
steel mauve
i noticed a lot of 100k+ melee's from no shield block up
lusty grotto
for survivability? Rezan + RAGE @hushed sand
i see low uptime on demo @swift pier
block seems decent
vestal moat
Would trading out 1 BfI for 1 bloodsport be worth it for rastkahan mythic prog?
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto do i level up my druid now or nah?🤔
lusty grotto
did you take more than 1 rending bite? @swift pier ?
yes late
level up NA
i want me a good boomy or resto
steel mauve
nvm i know exactly why lol
lusty grotto
what you mean
oblique garnet
Can i have both na and eu wow under same sub?🤔
broken kite
No
lusty grotto
RIp
oblique garnet
Damn sorry nim
broken kite
Two separate accounts afaik
oblique garnet
I wonder if its possible to have both eu and na wow on the same battle net tho
That way youd get the champions upgrades
lusty grotto
yeah i think its possible
oblique garnet
🤔🤔
lusty grotto
i have an unused account i used to RAF
steel mauve
the monk co tank took 3 melee hits the entire fight
oblique garnet
Yeah pretty much what we did
lusty grotto
whoops, i shouldn't put that there just in case
oblique garnet
Have the monk take the throws and taunt when i had no cds or 2 bleeds
steel mauve
ya hes wondering why he took so much damage
lusty grotto
weird
every pug ive been i always taunt before 2 of the same hits
i feel it works best that way
oblique garnet
Eh
lusty grotto
1 smash on current tank and another coming up? taunt.... same with bleed
like 1 bleed + smash debuff won't be as bad
oblique garnet
If you taunt with 1 bleed and the combo is 3 bleeds the tank thrown is gonna die if he has 2
lusty grotto
as 2 bleed or smash on smash debuff heh
oblique garnet
Which he will
lusty grotto
oh yeah
but that's really rare
at least in my case
it might be more common on mythic maybe?
i dunno
lusty grotto
jesus lol
oblique garnet
I have my druid at 110 and my paladin at 50 after those im ready
oblique garnet
”Wait a couple of minutes till decent blood death knight appears” To do what? Int your key LUL
lucid kelp
fun fact
you can Spell Reflect the Bwonsamdi's Bargain on the add's
so if an ally tries to stab you...you can kill them
ya know...for science
broken kite
That's great
warm plinth
@sand egret link?
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto you promise to boost me if i lvl druid in na?🤔
swift pier
sry was afk
thanks for looking at the logs
yah i do feel like i took a lot of dmg
but im unsure if its a normal amount for the fight or i suck cock
oblique garnet
Its pretty normal amount
steel mauve
i think it mostly has to do with how you tanked the fight
you tanked the boss the entire time and your monk took the comboes
which is kinda normal for the amount tanked
swift pier
cool, thanks
i did get feared a couple of times and took some auto attacks to the back
so i need to sort that out for sure
steel mauve
only thing i can say is if thats how your strat is set up and the healers complain of you being squishy i would have your co tank take the boss just to let your shield blocks reset and take it back
sand egret
@warm plinth its in the news tab 😃
warm plinth
Yeah I found it, sorry. The title was a little different than I expected.
slate perch
i have triple Bastion of Might, is that pretty good from a m+ damage perspective?
Mastery raises attack power, but not sure if how effective that is or if there are diminishing returns at a certain Mastery level
graceful sundial
hey all...any of you know how to configure ElvUI to set colors on reaping plates?
steel mauve
you basically want BoMX3 for m+
oblique garnet
@slate perch BoM is about bis from both offensive and defensive standpoint in m+
warm plinth
@graceful sundial Are you trying to set a specific color for reaping adds, or do you mean get the threat colors to work for them?
oblique garnet
@graceful sundial Afaik there are no plateaddons that show reaping threath correctly
sick sentinel
Woop
2nd week on H Stormwall finally down
and I got my chest/shield so im glad
@oblique garnet you will have to have 2 subs and to buy the game twice
Weep tried it
warm plinth
@sick sentinel talking about playing NA and EU at the same time?
graceful sundial
@warm plinth I mean my regular threat colors don't work on them. For example if I don't have threat on a target the plate is red and if I have the color is green. However, reaping targets are always red even if I have/don't have aggro on them
warm plinth
Yeah there's something weird about reaping mobs where threat colors don't work. No nameplate addons can do it afaik
They have threat tables but it just doesn't communicate like regular mobs
graceful sundial
ah right I guessed something like that. Thanks a lot for your answer
warm plinth
Sure thing!
Hopefully Blizz changes something or the addon authors figure out how to do it with them because it can be frustrating.
strange horizon
Boys, 415 Engi helm with RNG trait vs 400 helm with BoM for m+?
bright pagoda
had the emote earlier for this dumb hidden skin, second time ive went back to look for it in nelth vault(in prot spec) etc though none of the script check quests said true alot of information pointed to going and looking anyway. i spent over 30 minutes flying around checking every gold pile then literally walking all over and nada
val im not sure if its doable with trait slots but i know with other crafted items people can shred them or whatnot and get the used breath of bwonsamdi's back and recraft the item over and over til they got the right stats on it. thatd be pretty cool if it worked for azerite traits also
strange horizon
Thx
modest wedge
Rng anyway since its 100 dps loss compared to bom with haste or main stat
warm plinth
@bright pagoda Are you looking inside the dungeon?
I know I remember some people in Legion said they found the skin inside the dungeon behind Dargrul
warm plinth
It's worth a look, especially if you're seeing the emote
naive panther
this is pretty, all your haste belongs to me
oblique garnet
fml cant get into lfr to heal
dense lichen
hey! is somebody got a link to know how important is the DR from block number on shield and azerite talents.
Is brace for impact works ? is the gain high ?
warm plinth
There's a guide on icy-veins.com @dense lichen https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
soft delta
Guys, any special talent setup for griveous ?
undone sun
nope
soft delta
then
1 1 2 2 2 1 1 its fine ?
warm plinth
No, no it isn't
undone sun
Never Surrender isn't ever worth picking
warm plinth
That middle 2 should be a 3; there's no other option.
soft delta
Bolster then ?
warm plinth
Yep.
warm plinth
Rumbling Earth is fine. Storm Bolt is probably a better choice but nothing wrong with Rumbling Earth.
I run it myself because fuck Storm Bolt 😄
Depends on what AoE stuns you have in your group too though
soft delta
And Unstopable force
warm plinth
Yeah, no other choice besides Unstoppable Force
warm plinth
It's too good
warm plinth
Yeah that's fine
Make sure to use Bolster properly. Use Last Stand when you're out of Shield Block charges to let your charges regenerate
It basically acts as a 15 second duration Shield Block; you'll block for the whole duration of Last Stand
dense lichen
@warm plinth hello bro.
I would like to know the formula to know the exact value of block number.
to know what DR i gain when i add like 500block to the block of my shield.
I alrdy tried to find some clue on icy but without result.
I want more precision than : this is best / this is bad from most guides 😄
i alrdy found an old formula(legion ?) which is dr from blocking = block / block + 6300
But i dont know if it s still exact
undone sun
M0/M+: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4 (x1.478)
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3 (x1.631)
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4 (x1.808)```
final mist
Ilevel upgrades on shields are always better.
dense lichen
great tyvm
final mist
Traits are different depending on what content you're doing / what you have access to.
dense lichen
exactly
sick sentinel
what's the deal with reckless flurry and prot?
warm plinth
Thanks Sal. I was trying to find where that was 😅
final mist
It's probably pretty good for ST, but I imagine it wouldn't be better than other traits for AoE
bright pagoda
nope just the vault so far, but yeah i saw the comments on wowhead about the dungeon but i didnt think of going there. ill check it now before i go to sleep. i saw comments of people mentioning a dargrul statue with the shield near it. i wonder if thats why i didnt find any statues in the vault except the 3 dragon ones together
final mist
There's a small upstairs space with a bruul statue
One of the shield spawns is near there
When you enter the Vault from the normal side (the one with the big drop), there's a small hidden hallway on the left side before you drop, behind some rocks
Go through it and the statue is there
Check that before you go into the dungeon @bright pagoda
bright pagoda
will do, thanks
fringe marten
lol...I got a couple 400+ 2h's so I was thinking about trying fury for fun, popped into fury channel and they're speaking another language in there
..I'll just go dps people in apex lol
fringe marten
I get that it's a whole other tier of min/maxing for dps...but those people are even worse than "which trinkets do I use in M+"
..and then you have to sim crap. ..hell no
open field
Lazy
modest wedge
people are just spoon fed information. they dont want to dig it for themselves which makes them average players
add to that few WA's that tell you what to do
ashen hare
I have a question regarding spell reflection. Which ground based abilities dmg can I reflect and deal massive damage with in m+? I heard that this was a thing but wasnt told the specifics of which bosses it could be used on.
warm plinth
There's a reflectable spell guide in #268491842637660160 though I'm not 100% sure if it mentions anything like that. The last one I specifically heard about was in Legion (Curator's electric puddles). Someone was in here the other day saying you can spell reflect Cyclone Strike from the 1st boss of Temple as well (which is not on the spreadsheet), though I haven't tested that.
undone sun
haven't heard of any in bfa ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ashen hare
I was thinking mushrooms on 3rd boss in underrot might be a canditate?
warm plinth
I tried that the other day...didn't seem to work other than to reduce the damage taken by the stacks.
Definitely did not prevent any stacks from happening.
undone sun
warm plinth
Kinda sucks because DK can AMS them, but it's not the first time SR capabilities have clashed with AMS (Bursting is a good example).
eager phoenix
What CC othr than Sap, Blind and Imprison can be used to walk past mobs without leaving you in combat?
warm plinth
That's all of them iirc. There are some like freezing trap and repentance that only put the first person to approach in combat (so like a hunter can trap something, go get in combat with it, then the group can run past and hunter feign deaths), but sap and imprison are the only ones that completely prevent combat to my knowledge. Didn't even know about Blind doing it
hollow thorn
I think u get in combat if u go close to a blinded mob
hollow thorn
Its nice to use CCs like Incap, Repentence etc then RoP the mob/mobs away
sick sentinel
Can you pull the adds around the rune bitch in shrine after the first boss without pulling her?
I mean, I can cc the adds, kill her and then kill the adds
eager phoenix
you can walk on the ledge to left and just hit the small add farthest out to the left and backpeddle without pulling Heldis
then you can even bypass her completely if you can DISTRACT her so she looks to the right while you walk past her with shroud on the ledge to the left
quiet kettle
worthwhile to test i guess, but not really needed this week
i just feel sorry for any group attempting to stack ranged for shrine
cause that 2nd boss is gonna suck
sick sentinel
You can do shrine with mostly ranged on any other week tbh
I did a +15 shrine on tyrr (last season, but y) with a boomkin, a mage and a hunter
With mage being a pug that had minimal idea what he was doing
fringe marten
Is there a certain range at which you reflect ALL the cyclones in Sethraliss? do you have to be super close or at a specific range?
sharp lotus
I dont understand why overwhelming power is rated lower than ablative shielding
warm plinth
Where is it rated lower?
sharp lotus
warm plinth
Fairly certain those are ranked for survival; at least, I'm assuming so since the initial list is ranked that way
undone sun
correct
vocal nimbus
Indeed
sharp lotus
OP is weaker for survival? Since at 30-40% cds come out either externally or internally, would it be effective?
vocal nimbus
Yeah
warm plinth
It's weaker from a purely defensive perspective, yes.
sharp lotus
Is it arguable with anger management that the haste would make it just as strong defensively in certain scenarios?
undone sun
Getting hit still diminishes the effects, and armor will always be above haste
sharp lotus
I gotta read shit more thoroughly. I thought OP was exclusively over time. Thank you
junior igloo
Secondary stats are better than armor. Armor is pretty weak stat all things considered.
But Ablative Shielding gives ~1500 armor, while OP only gives around 650 max haste, which turns out to be roughly 330 avg for the duration (15s)
Ablative Shielding is also proccing more often
final mist
The guide is also written purely from a defensive / survival PoV. OP is quite strong as a DPS trait, if you desire it.
It's just that AS is better defensively.
sharp lotus
Yeah, I was interested in OP as defensive for more IPs and quicker cds. I was just flat out wrong, I didn't recall the uptime reduction on hit.
modest wedge
does sims even take in to account that you get hit? If not, then its not quite accurate way to calculate dps. Even as dps you probably never have longer than 2 minutes full stack of OP
Ofcourse depends on dungeon, but its kinda safe to say so
vocal nimbus
Simming is not reliable currently
They are saying that op is better offensively because AS doesnt do anything for damage
junior igloo
Yes, OP is slightly overestimated in sims (if you sim as Fury for example). It's still one of the 3 best traits for most classes (with Gutripper and HMC)
outer dew
@warm plinth when you test the SR thing. Bring someone else for ToS
Learned it's only SRable if the target is someone else for clone
If the target is you, nothing happens
fringe marten
That's not true Tofu.
I just did both (one earlier) then one in a ToS 14 a min ago
In the M0 I was alone, did reflect..worked exactly the same as it did in the 14 when I wasn't the target.
The thing is you can't get 'all' the cyclones, step a bit away, as they spread out hit reflect..you'll get one of them..it'll do a large amount of damage, and the others will go by you.
Standing directly in adderis? face (or aspix?) to try and get all the cyclones results in death.
Unless...and I hope...I'm wrong. and there's a specific range or trick to getting all the cyclones that I'm not aware of?
outer dew
It varies
And I couldn't get it to work properly solo
I'll probably play around with it more later
warm plinth
I would imagine that each one is considered a separate spell so the first one to hit you (even if they're apparently simultaneous) would consume SR and you'd get hit by the rest? Anyway I'll probably mess with it this weekend with/without a partner.
daring patrol
on rastakhan, is it normal for caress of death to come out before the detonation? having to eat that with 45 stacks is a real ouchie
old zephyr
I think so
just make sure you don't last stand during that, it will actually make you lose HPS
tribal schooner
You can reflect all, but that's kinda random or proper positioning. When my friend tried it in m0, first time he could reflect everything. There were no cyclone strikes after reflect, and in dmg taken there was a line with 0 dmg taken from cyclone. Second time he moved a bit from them, and could reflect one, while taking others to the face. I guess, he happened to get one strike before the others, so SR was lost.
Also while he reflected strikes, boss didn't receive damage from them, or details was wrong
sick sentinel
Details do not show reflected damage
tribal schooner
Nah. You can count yourself. Look at the damage done, then look at the boss damage taken. This way you can calculate dmg taken from reflected spells on bosses such as 3rd in Tol Dagor and 3rd in Motherlode
Like for example when we duo 3rd boss in Motherlode, damage taken was roughly 20% more than damage done by us. So this 20% was reflected dot
glacial olive
that's pretty big
tribal schooner
It was duo, so every other dot was reflected. Can't happen in 5man anyway
hybrid canyon
Is trait stacking a good idea to do on prot? Or is it more beneficial to try to grab one of everything aside defeaning crash
ionic fern
sick sentinel
for mplus you want to triplestack 3xBoM
old zephyr
I got the helm from jadefire and opulence, I know BM is SUPER good, but CR is kinda bad, which one would be better for dungeons (Crown is better for raid since this is my 2nd BoM)
traits are either BoM + CR or BfI + IF
eager phoenix
What ability on 3rd in TD can you reflect? The dot? @tribal schooner
tribal schooner
Fuselighter dot if it targets you
simple vapor
I know this IS very Minor but whats the best defensivly when it comes horde races?
quartz pond
highmountain should be gud
tribal schooner
You should look for boss' current target to do that, because she targets random party member
eager phoenix
yeah, I figured as much! I am actually going over the reflect-list again. Its a good read to freshen up memory!
fringe marten
I hope it continues to take 'effort' to see reflect damage in details, there's a LOT of encounters in the game that if it stacked reflects on top of our own damage..there would be an outcry from the player base and likely we'd see a nerf to it in some fashion (probably reduction in reflected damage)
old zephyr
Okay
vocal nimbus
Dunno now but at least in legion the reflected damage was reduced
The reflected damage was reduced by SR's dr
old zephyr
we already top DPS metter on AoE, if we could top it on Bosses with reflect the nerfbat would hit us soooo hard
primal crypt
The SR on cyclone strike is definitely unreliable :(
Not sure if I want to be doing it on push keys with my group
Dont want to waste a brez
unborn island
Isn't the only hard thing in temple Galvazzt?
potent anvil
Yeah, basically Galv is the only hard boss. First boss can be difficult with grievous, especiqlly if jolts arent being interrupted and then ppl are less than full hp during static shock.
lucid bough
Mate
sand egret
wait...you can SR Cyclone Strike
lucid bough
if You pug the key as most, if you skip 2 packs as most do, if you wipe 1st boss
its a rip key, people just leave
sand egret
thats why i dont skip 😃
lucid bough
you should because makes better reaping and removes useless trash from the way
this week its not bad to not skip thou
long tinsel
I tried to SR cyclone strike last night and got 1shot
I reflected one but the other 4 striked me hard
primal crypt
It's unreliable
long tinsel
Is there a way to reflect all 5?
potent anvil
You can get shotgunned by it, if you want to SR position yourself at the side of him to get hit by one only.
long tinsel
Right so it's impossible to do all 5
sand egret
imma do it
sand egret
#motivated
long tinsel
Caused my group last night to wipe twice
long tinsel
Yup
primal crypt
But unreliable
opal peak
Just stand on top, ez
slow nimbus
Quick question:. Are you supposed to keep 100% uptime on IP like brews do with ISB? Or only use it during windows where SB isn't up?
crisp pecan
Hello prot fellas, quick question, whats more important high lvl shield or 1h wep for me as a prot?
slow nimbus
My warrior is currently 42 and leveling via dungeon spam
cobalt trellis
depends on your dmg inc vs. rage gain @slow nimbus
oh you're leveling... mhm
@crisp pecan shield is more important
crisp pecan
that is perfect as i accidentally salvaged my 1h
cobalt trellis
but that is comparing same item level gains
signal plover
Honestly both are very important
slow nimbus
I haven't played a warrior since BC, back when you could viably tank high level content while technically being arms spec lol
crisp pecan
shit, gonna farm atal then for 1h
signal plover
Can you not use item restoration?
cobalt trellis
yeah item restore should work as long as you have the mats you gained from it
crisp pecan
but i am high tier fury so just going to farm +10 atal hardly
crisp pecan
i have 340 engi mace now, but thats a joke
cobalt trellis
i think first week conquest cap (500 points) was a 370 weapon
first week of season 2
slow nimbus
It was, but it isn't necessarily for your spec. On my monk it was for mistweaver spec and I'm brew
So he could more than likely get a 2her
crisp pecan
nope, i do not
cobalt trellis
you got warmode on and do assaults sometime?
they give conquest points
check ingame with i
go for pvp tab
and check if the upper bar is full (should be yellow)
cobalt trellis
if yes, you can go to mugambala in zuldazar and collect a weapon
should be 1hand, 2hand and shield (you can pick one)
crisp pecan
but after all maybe farming atal would be better option, it is not a burning issue or maybe heroic raids
cobalt trellis
well then farming atal is fine, trinket is nice too
crisp pecan
i have 400 trinket already
i did set opulence mythic loot to prot, maybe getting trinket
thick glacier
For push mythics+ (+15->), what 's the stats priority?
floral tinsel
@thick glacier ilvl > haste > everything else
ilvl is quite important as all stats are good, includeing strenght and even stamina as a tank
all sockets and enchats are haste.... and generally socket is worth 0 ilvl on shield/weapon, 5 on armor and 10 on ring
thick glacier
@floral tinsel thanks for answer!, really help me alot ❤
floral tinsel
BoM and DC secured 😛
floral tinsel
Crystalline and Bulwark (massive for m+)
marble wave
hatchet from wm 10ilvl > than vers\mastery weapon is upgrade?
floral tinsel
ilvl is everything on weapon
floral tinsel
I guess... seen it on players like here
Is it really better than crystaline for defensive thought?
sick sentinel
- it does more damage
- I am a crit junkie
floral tinsel
or is it the combination of offence and defence that makes it so good?
haha, fair enought
long tinsel
I do not like the hatchet
floral tinsel
mog it
modern brook
@thick glacier M+ is generally Ilvl>Haste=>mast>crit>verse
in SotS, Momload, and other caster heavy Verse gets a lot better
still worse than haste
Cleaver is Lolbad, get rekt for it being your highest ilvl
sick sentinel
^^
modern brook
I'm willing to guess that its probably worth dropping 5 for seocndary stats, Mainhand isnt AS important as shield; but I'm not confident enough in that opinion to suggest it without large disclaimers of feely craft around it
sick sentinel
everything scales with weapon damage, from all attacks to IP
modern brook
🤷
Probably right
Well no, you are right
Does the cleaver dot leech?
It doesnt
yeah I'm just def wrong
Equal ilvl isnt enough Secondaries
@370 its ~120 secondaries missing which def wont make up lower wepon dps
so get rekt; sorry i tried :^(
ivory peak
hey guys i just got ritual feather of Unng Ak ( 525 mastery for 16 sec 1 min cooldown) which is the best moment to use it, with macro with Recklessness i guess?
any sugg?
wrong spec srry
modern brook
😬
brave mauve
Got a 405 RAGE and a 405 Vial. And the only potential replacements for one or the other (to just not have double on-use) are so such low ilvl that they aren't worth it.
How am I gonna do this
sick sentinel
Rage on first avatar. vial on the other
so you have 1 trinket for every single avatar
brave mauve
Man, I hate not having the trinket macro'd in, but I guess that will have to do.
old zephyr
can't you macro both and it will use wihever is not on CD?
brave mauve
🤔 I don't know why, but I was of the impression having both a use 13 and use 14 in a macro would cause failures, but now you mention it I don't know why I thought that.
steel mauve
It will go in order
When hitting a macro it will just use each line in seccession, so it would use 1 trinket first and come back with an error of the second trinket on cd
brave mauve
Fair enough, that simplifies the problem infinitely. Gonna go flex on other classes that struggle with double on-use brb
zealous ore
What are good trinkets for M+?
I suppose deafening crash and mastery in Avatar are go-to traits.
modern brook
/use 14
/cast avatar``` will use 13, then try and use 14, fail cause of the shared cd, then it should cast avatarI have a macro that goes
/cast avatar
/use Knot of the ancient fury
When I use it and avatar is on CD but knot isn't it propely uses knot
so it "should" work for 2 trinkets
modern brook
thats probably better because it rmoves the possibility of use 14 stopping the macro
/use 13
/use 14```at worst 13 beeing on CD will prevent 14 to be use but I don't think so
or you could go
/cast avatar
/use [nomod] 13
/use [mod] 14
so depending on what trinket you want to you you can just press alt/shift/ctrl to use 14 instead of 13
old zephyr
I don't use them on wy warrior (but my binding are not very clean)
On my healers I only use
/cast [@mouserover, mod] spell macros
so I have everything on 3 buttons
but sometime I fatfinger tanq instead of dispell on my druid
brave mauve
Tested,
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Avatar```
Works without any breaks or failures, and on-use putting each other on 30s CD doesn't interfere with the timing either. Macro works. Thank you👍
brave mauve
God Vial makes for some meaty thunderclaps though 😩 👌
quick elk
For the non mythic peoples. Are you saving Your residum for the specific Azerite pieces or going for the random roll ?
brave mauve
Random roll, mathematically, is the superior choice by a pretty wide margin
sick sentinel
random always
brave mauve
By the time you could save up for a specific piece, the trait will likely either have been nerfed already, or the tier is pretty much over and you wasted your time
modern brook
Buying a specific peice saves you 1.8 and change rerolls
quick elk
It’s 3 weeks of doing minimum 10 for random and 8 weeks ish for specific no?
signal plover
If you're doing prog ATM I'd say randoms until 415 in every slot and then save for specific.
Early mythic drops good azerite too tho
brave mauve
Another bonus to random roll is if you do genuinely get screwed, you can scrap it and be up ~300 toward the next.
It's not a perfectly efficient feed, but it does sustain itself a little
signal plover
Also with the way our traits are I feel like it's pretty difficult to truly get screwed
brave mauve
^
quartz pond
you should push M+ as high as possible for the bonus residum
brave mauve
BoM and DC are on almost everything, and if you're really desperate, pug M Champ for 1 of both.
steel mauve
If less than 385/only 4 rings do a 10 and scrap some for a random 400, otherwise go 415 random then specific pieces
narrow abyss
Hard to get a bad piece too
quick elk
Thanks guys , really helpful
grand drum
Does spell reflect prevent applications of debuffs such as bursting like AMS?
snow lance
It can if the spell that you are reflecting
Leaves a debuff
but it doesn't prevent stacks of bursting
So like if you reflect the dot on the third boss in Motherload.
undone sun
That's not really how one determines if an ability reflectable
Too broad and general, not always true
snow lance
There is a spreadsheet
old night
mornin boys
zealous ore
no it's not
spice musk
how strong is https://www.wowhead.com/spell=287605/ancients-bulwark this trait against the other?
zealous ore
You can sim it for DPS
And you can check how much %dmg reduction the vers grants you for survivability
I'd still be glad to hear what trinkets people pushing keys on prot are using 😃
brisk ferry
for me
zealous ore
Which trinket is the first one
brisk ferry
Knot of Ancient Fury
steel mauve
Still wouldnt sim for dps for trinkets may not be accurate still
zealous ore
I guess you do get to do it every 2nd week, though
narrow abyss
Cannot get Rezans for the life of me
brisk ferry
Anchor from Jaina is legit, both good
narrow abyss
Oh the anchors good? Hrm 🤔
zealous ore
BIG damage
hushed cobalt
got a 410 rezans and a 400 seal of questionable(with socket+speed) after everyone logged off aafter m+'s
now i gotta find the next best thing for my 2nd trinket
daring marlin
anchor op
hushed cobalt
at 385? have yet to do anything raid wise on warrior 😦
short vale
How high do we value sockets (on gear with str - back in specific)?
short vale
aight ty
restive pivot
hey guys anyone else having issues with spell reflect weakaura?
does not work for me
dense flame
I’ve had issues with it. A lot of times doesn’t pop up for me
sick sentinel
callous IMO
restive pivot
talking to its creator now in wa discord
undone sun
"please leave a comment or contact me on Discord (Marok#1248)."
brisk ferry
yeh that WA was made by Marok
undone sun
Even in the pins "I made this..."
silk mortar
Insufficient evidence
modern brook
lol checking the pins in 2019
brave mauve
the virgin check the pins vs the Chad ping him in another server
long phoenix
what gem should i be using for mythic opulence, my cotank informed me he can solo P2 so what gem gives more dps?
steel mauve
Isnt it role specific so you cant take another roles gem?
stark sage
yeah you are forced to pick diamond
shut summit
^
modern brook
U can pick diamond and then taunt off him anyways
cause oppulence is warriors time to shine
hushed cobalt
is there a loot spec to be to get better chances at the on use mastery trinket from turtles emissary?
chilly escarp
some are but not the turtles ones
modern brook
☝ there u go :^)
half carbon
thin pecan
Has anyone seen a reccomended key binding setup, i.e. 1 taunt, 2 shield slam, etc. I wonder if there is an efficient setup.
lusty grotto
nah that's deeply personal
there's no vanilla efficient setup, everyone's binds are completely different
thin pecan
ok cool ty
analog swift
Do you play on a touch pad like me?
lusty grotto
just make sure your binds arent something that is hard to reach or that would trigger a fat finger miss-press
lol that's a +10 right there
touch pad yikes
obtuse shoal
How do you guys determine what trinkets are best for situations?
lusty grotto
what situations to be specific?
and i suppose you're talking about defensive trinkets
sick sentinel
something along the lines of maths and experience
lusty grotto
it's also very common sense
sick sentinel
logs etc
obtuse shoal
Well just in general. And not exclusively, I got a 385 Tuskarr Sea Charm and don't really know if/when I should use it over a 385 Engine
How accurate are sims for prot?
sick sentinel
not that much
analog swift
@lusty grotto played on a MacBook Pro for years until this post Xmas. Can’t break the touchpad life.
sick sentinel
what are your trinkets
primal crypt
Simple answer is just to not bother simming prot
obtuse shoal
Is it because tanks can't be properly simmed or ?
lusty grotto
well that's a good talents right there teseus23
primal crypt
@obtuse shoal that and the fact that ours specifically isnt correctly portrayed
obtuse shoal
My trinkets are 385 charm, 385 engine, 370 howler, 400 butcher's block, fathoms obv.. 400 sporepods 🤢
primal crypt
Afaik...no one completed prot sims
lusty grotto
and you want the highest dps?
primal crypt
On the backend
lusty grotto
i suppose you can't go wrong with butcher block and engine for dps
lusty grotto
we usually don't go for charm because it's very rare to get on a competitive ilvl
primal crypt
I cant remeber which one that is
lusty grotto
yeah i cant either
primal crypt
Technically, block fathoms would prob be best bet
Fathoms is still competitive at a 400 ilvl standpoint
Which is absolutely crazy
lusty grotto
oh yeah fathoms
obtuse shoal
Yeah I'm using block/fathoms and it feels pretty good. Sometimes engine because it feels fun
primal crypt
Yeah, I'd stick with your butcher block
And swap around fathom and engine
At least until you get more trinkets
sand egret
for the record, the Tuskarr Charm IS pretty dang dope tho if you do manage to win the RNG lottery
obtuse shoal
How come?
mint adder
I have a 400 charm, buut I also have 405 rezans and 400 vial for m+
steel mauve
Ya i got one, its pretty nice
warm plinth
Hoping I can get one to replace my 370 lion's strength 😬
sand egret
honestly, the WQ trinket pool has some really sweet trinkets
steel mauve
I mostly use my alch trinket, R.A.G.E. and 1 other one though, my charm is 385
sharp lotus
emblem of zandalar?
sick sentinel
it's more haste but less duration
dense flame
New trinkets from crucible raid pretty nice. Imagine how OP that tank trinket is
Just TC spam and heals boys
Like that rift codex 2.0
dense flame
Party members better gtfo the way a tank rolling through 😂 thunder smash and drain life
steel mauve
Rift codex wasnt good though it was over 80% overhealing
dense flame
It was pretty good in m+
swift fjord
I wish anger management reduced the cd of spell reflect for prot
lusty grotto
that'd be broken
you know what would be sweet... tichondrius fang 2.0 pre nerf for them necrotic weeks
swift fjord
I know I'mjust glad prot is playable
lusty grotto
when hasn't it been?
we were bootyclapping in here @ bfa release despite the reddit whines
warm plinth
It wasn't meta @lusty grotto 😏
lusty grotto
heh
warm plinth
If it's not meta, it's not playable, duh
sharp lotus
Would giving us MBM back in any form be op?
sharp lotus
true
warm plinth
We'll probably be lucky to not have our damage nerfed at some point, so I think asking for anything else would be pushing our luck XD
sand egret
but are we viable?
warm plinth
BDK still more represented in M+; we're obviously not viable. Don't ask silly questions.
sand egret
that word gets me every time in WoW context
the only thing not viable in WoW is having a derp behind the keys
warm plinth
I was only kidding Blade; you don't have to personally attack me
sand egret
although, considering the few guilds ive raided with...that may not be true
to be fair, Ghash, I don't consider myself to be viable 😃 I still overlap LS and SB all the time haha
warm plinth
XD Who needs to be viable. We're still prot bois
warm plinth
I actually have Shield Block macro'd to Last Stand
warm plinth
Wouldn't want to accidentally use the spell properly
lusty grotto
hehehe
warm plinth
Still working on a WA that automatically talent swaps me back to HR and Vengeance if I accidentally click off those talents too. 😏
Doing my part to keep the community perception alive
Alright, I'm done memeing now
lusty grotto
😄
sand egret
fighting my own muscle memory is the hardest part to prot
sick sentinel
I still use IP directly after avatar
even thought I started using BoM the day 8.1 hit
sick sentinel
well I do that because I don't wanna overcap
lusty grotto
same
sick sentinel
that's my reason now 😛
lusty grotto
because for all i know that revenge is gonna be free
sick sentinel
ye
hushed cobalt
the lurkers gift and idol(130k heal 0.o ) look spicy
sick sentinel
just do more mplus :C
warm plinth
That's just too logical
sick sentinel
by the way, 73% mastery during avatar 😮
warm plinth
Still have a chestpiece that's 360 :/
stark sage
@warm plinth thats impressive
warm plinth
That's one word for it heh
sick sentinel
well he does not play the game enough as much as as he is here in discord
warm plinth
I haven't really gotten into it yet tbh. I didn't even really play my war until about a month ago and still haven't really gone all-in on it
That is actually 100% true.
I'm in Discord way more than I'm in-game 😂
sick sentinel
ghash probably knew more stuff about prot warrior tanking than most prots before he got even his warrior to max level
stark sage
well if you are efficient with your time you can get 385 equipped in every slot without needing to raid or do much hard content
warm plinth
Yeah honestly most of my WoW enjoyment comes from learning about everything and sharing my knowledge. I get a sick thrill out of teaching people things about content I don't even do 😂
inland mesa
Yeah I have enough residium to buy two 415 pieces....but haven't gotten another to know what two slots to buy D:
warm plinth
Yeah...luck would have it that you'd buy 2 pieces and then get a copy of one of them or something XD
sick sentinel
shoulders
warm plinth
Shoulders is definitely a smart buy since the chances of DC+BoM are pretty high. I think all the shoulders have DC on them at least.
inland mesa
10 mythic bosses so far, 1 415 weapon off grong, no other loot 😦 bonus rolled a 415 bracer after cache gave me a 410. Then bonus rolled a 415 diamond, when normal gave me a 420 with socket first week >.>
warm plinth
Dang, no shield yet?
broken kite
Poor you lol
inland mesa
no, our bad shaman both got one
warm plinth
Nice...
inland mesa
yeah, I cried, shaman pulled 15k on conclave kill >.>
I told raid leader they need to stay in for first boss now to trade me one XD
warm plinth
😂
robust bronze
witch?
lusty grotto
we should have a bot that replies to item comparison screenshots
warm plinth
"We have the technology"
lusty grotto
thatd be hard cause reading screenshot contents is kind of difficult
robust bronze
is it allways ilvl over socket?
sick sentinel
socket=10 ilvls for ring, 5 ilvls for gear and 0 ilvls for weapon/shield
warm plinth
Except for a 5 ilevel difference on some slots and about 10 ilevels for rings, yeah, usually. You can easily calculate it yourself by adding stam+str+stat 1+stat 2 on each piece, add 40 to the socketed piece, and see which one has a higher total.
lusty grotto
i wouldn't straight add up secondaries with primaries
like for a ring its ok because the only primary you gain is stam
but adding up str + stam + armor on the same level as secondaries doesn't seem right
robust bronze
👍
warm plinth
Frankly I think you're right and I really wouldn't ever drop ilevel for a socket on anything that wasn't a ring personally, even if it did have 5 more total stat (because let's face it, 5 total stat is insignificant anyway)
lusty grotto
i think kaege has a good system
so for example 410 vs 400 with socket would be 410 vs 405
so the 410 wins
well i mean it's the same system i usually follow but yeah
rocky imp
355 Blockades or 385 Tuskar Sea Charm -- I know the blockades is above its ilvl -- thoughts?
lavish oracle
Sea Charm
Blockades is definitely worth a little extra ilvl if you're just looking for survivability but not 30 ilvl against a decent trinket
rocky imp
cool thanks
old night
if you're an alchemist its also 100% worth it to craft the 415 tidal stone
having it in your kit is great
meaning being able to mix it with other trinkets and whatnot
lavish oracle
The boost to health potions is really good for this week's M+ affixes too
old night
its also cheap af to make if you are on a high pop server. I'm on us proudmoore and paid maybe 15k in mats because I was lazy and didnt wanna farm
old night
nice
naive panther
Lol way cheaper than crafting rings.
keen spire
wtf lol. we're on the same server filmstrips
I've been playing a bunch of fury lately, boiz. Feelsbad. I miss prot. 😦
ocean acorn
i feel like im the only warrior on my server
stray kiln
what kinda traits does prot want for +10 spamming
river marsh
1 DC 3 BoM
sand egret
tis in the guides
river marsh
And enjoy
sand egret
section 2.2.1
modern brook
@stray kiln 3x bom 1x DC 2x bfi or if is good for tyr/fort respectively
Blood sport gets a lot of value during grievous
3x bom 1x DC is the baseline though
Assuming were talking about competing 415s, we still take Ilvl over traits
stray kiln
thanks a lot :)
astral crystal
kinda hate that gimmicky "hehe now u take dmg xD" shit
already know that's going to get real old in prog
tacit onyx
overwhelming power is pretty bad for prot right?
tacit onyx
really? even with the stacks going down on dmg taken?
warm plinth
Yeah, there's an ICD on stack loss. You can only lose like 2 stack per second
stacks*
potent anvil
Bloodsport + leech gear is the big brain play for m+. I have like 3% leech and it contributes to around 8% of my overall healing.
red dock
All 3 of my azerite give DC on first ring, other options are 2 BoM and 1 IF. right now I have 2 DC and 1 BoM. does that seem right?
ocean acorn
i agree with deswind i have 6% leach and its 14% of my healing
red dock
Sorry, 1 BoM and 2 IF are the other options voer 3 DC. Have 1 BoM and 1 CR on innter rings
ocean acorn
but i dont have bloodspoort
dark lark
slightly prot related: does anybody have problems between using GottaGoFast and weak auras?
for some reason every time i use demo shout, my gottagofast gives me that fat error window
frosty seal
tradewinds or callous reprisal?
ocean acorn
Callous reprisal
snow osprey
hey guys, can anyone share advice on engineering traits? I wonder what's better, absorbotron or the auto-self-cauterizer
how often do you meet bleeds in dungeons?
oblique garnet
@primal crypt
modern brook
U lose 2 a second instead of 1 /s
It has an internal cap to how many it can lose
Oh wow my discord didn't update
That was in reference to OP on prot
Re 3rd ring engie traits
Both are very good
Bleed removal loses a lot of value if ur a dwarf
Otherwise both are good
snow osprey
I am a dwarf 😃 so I guess its absorbotron. thanks!
dark lark
i figured out my own problem regardign WA and GottaGoFast, marok's deafening crash weak aura was breaking GottaGoFast for some reason
or vice versa
polar eagle
is a 400 jes howler any good for us ?
small fable
do i have better chance at a good trinket from Emissary if I switch loot spec to Furyt?
oblique garnet
nope
small fable
okie dokie
oblique garnet
prot can still get the ritual feather of unn ak which is essentially another bom
oak heart
Is alchemist stone worth creating?
oblique garnet
yes
primal crypt
@oblique garnet oh boi
small fable
that needs to be pinned
primal crypt
overall?
primal crypt
TOP kek
oblique garnet
this probably is better push week than last week tbh
primal crypt
yeah, this week is easy as hell
oblique garnet
nah
idle patrol
suh fam, i'm trying to learn prot for general m+ key purposes and was arms last tier with a small amount of fury right now (i'm feral main). Curious about survivability trinkets and how to measure them...is blockades still a decent trinket for surviving vs dps trinks? have a 375 syringe i could replace
sand egret
have you read the guides in the #268491842637660160 section?
primal crypt
Asuh.
idle patrol
Okay my bad, i'll read it now. Wasn't sure if there was a herodamage or sim like tool/resource for tanks since i'm new to it
sand egret
not anyone that is particular effectiv4e
simming for survival is inherently difficult
that being said, blockades hits above it's weightclass
you could prob get away with swapping those from a purely defensive perspective. However, remember that Blockades gives little in the way of offense
leaden grail
Good evening
is there a weakaura that shows my ignore pain absorbt amount? No icon, no bar, just a number with the absorb?
I couldnt find one on wago unfortunately
oh nvm, i figured it out. took one that had an icon, copied the custom part and put it into a text weakaura, that worked
opal ember
when getting the tortollan world querst reward hoping for a trinket, is prot loot spec the go to or one of the dps
leaden grail
doesnt matter
stoic pilot
Out of curiosity. If you were to only have azerite from m+ (415 from residuum) how worse off would it be compared to having optimal raid azerite? This is assuming 1 DC residuum piece
sick sentinel
If ur comparing sim ilvls doesnt matter
Having the "right" traits won't make or break you
warm plinth
I mean, you can get optimal traits from the vendor afaik. There's no real disadvantage that I'm aware of, other than it's pretty much guaranteed to take longer barring phenomenal luck with random pieces.
stoic pilot
So if I were to just gear via m+ I wouldn’t be substantially at a disadvantage compared to raid
Basically is what I wanted to do since alt for fun
warm plinth
As far as what you can obtain, no. It'll just take a lot longer to obtain them.
oblique garnet
I have good azerites for both raid and m+
warm plinth
Or in the case of randoms, will rely on a lot of luck to get the perfect traits
oblique garnet
and only one piece is from raid
warm plinth
Except shoulders, which are guaranteed to have DC, and are fairly likely to have one of the other strong traits
fair flint
Is Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism good for warrior? Like is it "bis"?
oblique garnet
it is
warm plinth
Defensively it's BiS
oblique garnet
absolutely broken
fair flint
How so
oblique garnet
it scales with haste
fair flint
Oh
oblique garnet
yeah
modern brook
Its dope for sure
fair flint
You said it's bis defensively but would it be worth using over other trinkets?
I have Ramping Amplitude Gigavolt Engine as well
warm plinth
It's strong enough that I'd personally find it hard to unequip during any challenging content.
narrow abyss
It’s like 20% of my overall healing in dungeon. It’s strong
modern brook
Gash got it imo
If ur doing anything where dying is a concern you should ne using it
Otherwise it's not doing anything
fair flint
Alright thanks for the info guys :) one of my friends who's a dh tank is trying to tell me it's not bis and it's garbage lol
modern brook
Yeah well tell him hes playing vdh 🤷
swift pier
with tripple blood sport would it be worth using never surrender over bolster?
modern brook
No
swift pier
bonded soul or bloodsport?
honest canopy
Going to gear another tank. My i do such high dps as arms so i am gonna do that in raids for The time beeing. Feels sad :(
swift pier
lol
honest canopy
Yeah I know.
swift pier
xD
swift pier
ty
olive lotus
In mythic plus does bonded souls have a place? Or is it prot trait regardless?
swift pier
was asking for m+
lavish oracle
Bloodsport is legit one of if not our best survivability traits
quiet crane
The only thing about bloodsport is that it provides no offensive value only pure defensive
So depending on content it’s not desirable
Bonded souls is meh
quiet crane
^ what bin said
lavish oracle
I've seen some people run it in M+, I haven't had a chance to try it yet, though