protection

[chilly brook]

What’s the battlelord tag for?

[old night]

I now have to edit two videos

[chilly brook]

Is that for patron?

[primal crypt]

Anyone get the jaina trinket?

[old night]

yeah

[daring marlin]

I got the jaina trinket

fury warrior traded it to me

[primal crypt]

I really want the jaina trinket :(

[daring marlin]

I did a freehold+12 after

it did like

4.1% of my overall damage

[old night]

its the 10/mo patron rank

[primal crypt]

Dude, bigger pulls @daring marlin

[old night]

@sand egret thought I had left the shield life for a DK life

[daring marlin]

It was explosive my dude

[primal crypt]

I got it to 11%

[daring marlin]

fuck that

I don't trust the dps

[primal crypt]

Oh lel

[daring marlin]

I can't get all of them

[primal crypt]

Kek

But yeah

The week before

I pushed it to 11%

Jaina trinket is super busted lol

[daring marlin]

I'll have to do it this week.

Bolstering is fine wtih biggish pulls as long as they all die close together.

[primal crypt]

I didnt think TC applied stacks

Top tier

[daring marlin]

yeah lol

shit stacks so fast between TC/revenge

[primal crypt]

Yup

10 stacks on all targets

[daring marlin]

It makes me

wanna stack crit moe

more*

since the dot crits

[primal crypt]

Do it in TD

First boss room

[daring marlin]

LOL

[primal crypt]

Pull all the adds

[daring marlin]

I'll go solo all the trash there in mythic now

[primal crypt]

You will drop pants

[daring marlin]

here we go

[chilly brook]

RIP I just realized, if I was raiding, I could try to leverage my birthday for loot 💩

[primal crypt]

[chilly brook]

I am very tosic

[old night]

i'm so proud of my guild

[polar eagle]

i got the big red button 410 with socket

[old night]

i taught them the 👢 🍵 👏 thing

[polar eagle]

but dont know if it is good or not

[oblique garnet]

its not

[old night]

and now they tag me and write that

[chilly brook]

That’s why I play the only white guy in Apex Legends who gases everyone

:kappahd

Sorry couldn’t resist the joke

[primal crypt]

@old night i too like the boot soup clap

[chilly brook]

Yikes

[old night]

booty god has been my recent details name

[polar eagle]

385 everchill trink 400 butchers block ?

[old night]

i have a ton I usually cycle through

last week was Lacroix boi

week before was Hoops Malone

[sand egret]

Floortank McHiggins

[chilly brook]

I think mine is just “Dumb Tanky Boi”

Really I should change it to “8.1 Made Prot Viable”

[sand egret]

now that's a good one

[old night]

tHaT DaMAge BuFF tO pRoT wAs InSaNe

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[sand egret]

"8.1 Redefined Prot"

[primal crypt]

We got massive buffs according to my old raid lead

Warriors are now viable

[chilly brook]

Sometimes I make good content

[old night]

in an alternate universe Blade you and I are co tanks and our details names are "dual" and "shields"

[sand egret]

thank god, sitting around being unviable was the worst

[chilly brook]

@primal crypt just smile and nod at the monkey

[sand egret]

"Hey Blade, you viable yet?"
"Naw, man..."

[old night]

or maybe even "blade" and "striker" a la bad dudes

[primal crypt]

They became viable so I got rerolled fury

Feelsgoodman

[chilly brook]

Oof

[sand egret]

i am the BADDEST DUDE

[primal crypt]

And now the tanks are gearing up their warriors....

[sand egret]

brb saving the President

[primal crypt]

Because they cant role swap

[old night]

I think this week my blood dk said we're doing "joe pesci" and "ray liotta"

[sand egret]

"Tank swap!"

then just recite that scene from Goodfellas

[old night]

go get your fuckin shinebox

[sand egret]

(the bar one)

[oblique garnet]

I love it when all the people in my guild say warrior is so easy you just spam thunderclap and when they try they dont even do half of my damage and take like 90% more

[sand egret]

yeahhhh

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet you mean laying on floor

[sand egret]

not gonna lie, my newest fav pasttime is trolling pugs in my keys who think Warriors got all these super insane buffs in 8.1

"Yeah man we can wear SHIELDS now!"

[old night]

blade if you ever wanna tank tho hmu. My guild has open runs on wednesday for alts and friends of the guild. I know my blood DK has been gearing up his rogue so I'll need a cotank

[primal crypt]

Next say you can dual wield shields if you choose to

[old night]

THE SACRED WORDS

[sand egret]

😙

why is that the default for 👀

[primal crypt]

[sand egret]

i dunno but it applies

[old night]

blade's like "felt cute might delete later"

[sand egret]

basically

[tepid dagger]

Sooo grievous week

[primal crypt]

Get a good healer

That isnt a priest lol

[tepid dagger]

grievous nature damage?

[sand egret]

physical

[primal crypt]

Otherwise you're not getting grievous off

[tepid dagger]

oohh!! Good

[old night]

i prefer druid

[primal crypt]

Pally for moi

[tepid dagger]

I like druids and monks for grievous

[sand egret]

druid has a rough time for GW imho

well, they have a rough time playing catchup

HoTs vs DoTs

[tepid dagger]

monks can heal shit off in 2 gcd's when needed

[old night]

the druid I run with is pretty clutch

[sand egret]

Holy Pallys are pretty money

[old night]

I can see what you mean tho

[primal crypt]

yup

Holy pally is tea

[sand egret]

that spike healing is noice

[primal crypt]

Tea...?

[old night]

the pally in my guild is very rough around the edges lol

ya man, the tea, the juice, the stuff,

get with the times dawg

[primal crypt]

My pally pumps

[sand egret]

but the thing with RDruid/ProtWar is that our damage profile perfectly matches the druid's healing profiel

[primal crypt]

20k dps on wings

[old night]

your pally is lil pump?

[sand egret]

so it's pretty easy to stay > 90%

[primal crypt]

Tiny pump

[old night]

little pumpernickel

[primal crypt]

She pumps

Manages to do really well

[sand egret]

jelly

i've yet to hang with a good HPal

[primal crypt]

She gets stressed because she cares

[sand egret]

some average ones

but none that made me go wow

the key is to find PvP healers

[primal crypt]

She's also the one healing for the mdi

[old night]

we had a pally in legion who had the fattest healing dick

[primal crypt]

So

Good luck to us

[old night]

she quit wow altogether and it was a sad sad day for me

[primal crypt]

She wants to get into tourney realm to test all the other healers

[oblique garnet]

yamo youre really trying to get into mdi?

[primal crypt]

But she'll most likely stay pally

@oblique garnet yeah

Finally found us a boomkin

A little late, but we've been playing together a lot the past week or so

[oblique garnet]

hmm

[primal crypt]

I swear

Im not changing

[oblique garnet]

i guess i should try harder so i could beat you in mdi

[primal crypt]

Staying prot the whole way

If by a miracle we make it through time trials

I'll be ecstatic

But the group is relatively new with each other

[oblique garnet]

I wonder how the time trial works

[primal crypt]

So, prayers to us lol

[chilly brook]

Yeet

[sand egret]

Yamo going pally for the MDI, smh

[chilly brook]

On the bright side he’d still have a shield

[sand egret]

heh

bright

[primal crypt]

@sand egret MY HEALER IS THE PALLY

[sand egret]

suuuure

[primal crypt]

[sand egret]

i've been burned once before....not again.

[primal crypt]

Lmao

What if

[chilly brook]

Oof

[primal crypt]

Bdk

Last minute

[chilly brook]

What if I became a healer

[primal crypt]

What if

I go survival hunter

[chilly brook]

Go for it

[primal crypt]

[chilly brook]

The only real hunter spec

[sand egret]

false

MM only true hunter spec

screw pets

[oblique garnet]

yeah unlike yamo i will actually play warrior in mdi :))

[chilly brook]

I mean

[sand egret]

wooo TEAM LATE

[primal crypt]

🍆

[chilly brook]

Rexxar is a survival hunter

Therefor survival is the only true spec

[sand egret]

uh, he's a beastmaster

if you wanna get technical

[chilly brook]

Nah

He’s a melee boi

[primal crypt]

Why would you not play warrior at this point

[sand egret]

he's literally the beastmaster

in WC3

every ability is a pet

[grave marsh]

Yea, rexxar is a BM hunter

[chilly brook]

And tbh current survival is basically BM but melee 😜

[primal crypt]

This entire channel received all the fotm rerollers because we're the best tank now

[chilly brook]

You’re not wrong

[sand egret]

ironically, ive been playing my bear more

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

Oof

[primal crypt]

Bea....r

😂

[sand egret]

so much fun

[chilly brook]

Can I get an F in the chat for Blade?

[primal crypt]

Why would you handicap yourself

[sand egret]

but I played prot in 8.0 when they were unviable

same thing

😃

[steel mauve]

Why would you hate yourself*

[sand egret]

ya'll hate on our furry rage bros

[chilly brook]

Why would you hurt yourself*

[sand egret]

smh

although anecdotally, it's different but not that different than blasting stuff on my war. Just requires a bit more finese to pull it off

[oblique garnet]

speaking of survival hunters

they are by far the best class for explosives

[sand egret]

like swiftmending during casts for a 25 second LoH

😃

[primal crypt]

Nah

Fury warr best for explosives

[oblique garnet]

not even close

[primal crypt]

What does survival have for spam on explosive?

[tepid dagger]

chaining victory rushes on explosives was awesome

[primal crypt]

My hunter is only 58

[oblique garnet]

the bomb

[tepid dagger]

20k hps

[primal crypt]

The bomb

[oblique garnet]

they actually one shot everything

every single explosive that spawns

[primal crypt]

Has such a long cd

[signal plover]

I always knew blade was a fuckin fraud

Bear memes became more than dreams

[chilly brook]

Tosic

[primal crypt]

Ok, i need to finish leveling my hunter

[sand egret]

problem with Fury and explosives is that it's so fucking stressful

Oh, three are popped....ohh shi---annnnnnd they're gone

[primal crypt]

I eat them up as fury

Destroy them

[sand egret]

but rampage takes time

[grave marsh]

You have vic rush as fury too

btw

[sand egret]

well you should be rampaging them as fury

[chilly brook]

Rampage is over by the time the gcd is over tho

[sand egret]

it's just they tend to "last" longer so i stress more

[grave marsh]

they have like 3-4k hp

using a rampage on them

is retarded

[sand egret]

uh

[grave marsh]

Bloodthirst

[chilly brook]

I mean you use what you got as fury

[grave marsh]

errrrr

[sand egret]

you know the cleave works on them right

you rampage the mob

[grave marsh]

rampaging blow?

[sand egret]

and the orbs go splat

[chilly brook]

No rampage

[sand egret]

meat cleaver

[grave marsh]

I don't think thats intended

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t matter if it’s intended or not lol

[sand egret]

i mean mechanically it is

yes

[grave marsh]

It does if they fix it.

Because chain lightning doesn't work

[sand egret]

it does

[chilly brook]

It doesn’t until then

[sand egret]

and CL is a different type of spell

[grave marsh]

CL is a cleave as well

[sand egret]

it's a progressive localized area cleave

vs a single instanced localized cleave

[chilly brook]

Does sweeping strikes work as well?

[grave marsh]

if meat cleaver works

then yea, sweeping strikes would too

[chilly brook]

I mean it doesn’t surprise me that it works

Because it’s single target ability that’s getting a cleave property

[sand egret]

if you can get it to hit the orb, it would seem like it would work but that just depends on how it's done

[chilly brook]

Not an aoe spell by default

[errant oriole]

hey guys...

[chilly brook]

Yes?

[primal crypt]

Gello

[errant oriole]

i currently have a cloak thats 370 and just got a 390 cloak...

[sand egret]

upgrade

[primal crypt]

Good stuff

[errant oriole]

one has haste on it and new one doesnt

[primal crypt]

Use the 390

[errant oriole]

ok lol

[sand egret]

upgrade it

[primal crypt]

Good upgrade

Equip it.

[errant oriole]

making sure

[primal crypt]

Very good stuff

👏

[sand egret]

in prot we simple. we take the ilvl gains 90% of the time

[signal plover]

stares in bear

[grave marsh]

Anyone else kinda miss Devastator?

[primal crypt]

Nope

I spam the hell out of it

[chilly brook]

ilvl>haste

[primal crypt]

Ilvl>devastate

[strong hill]

@grave marsh I miss it a little , but I’d take having execute again as prot or taunt banner

[chilly brook]

I’d like execute back

[primal crypt]

Mocking banner

Omg plz

Give me this

Not so much mocking shout

Or what was it

[strong hill]

@primal crypt I’m wagering your already thinking of some dungeons where banner would be freaking sweet

[primal crypt]

Mocking banner it top tier

Or would be xD

[tepid dagger]

I wish we had an aoe taunt

sucks if you die mid pull and get BR'ed. Can never reestablish threat on large pulls

[neon tangle]

You do

[chilly brook]

Avatar

xD

[neon tangle]

It’s called thunderclap

[primal crypt]

Kek

[chilly brook]

Yeet

[primal crypt]

Seriously though, mocking banner would be amazing

[chilly brook]

Although tbh what’re you doing dying mid pull? 😜

[primal crypt]

Outside of that, I want warbringer back

[tepid dagger]

TC works amazing for initial. No one pulls off me. But, say, dying during reaping

[primal crypt]

Warbringer was by far my favorite CC

[neon tangle]

Oh, best tank advice I ever got

Don’t die

[primal crypt]

4hed

[errant oriole]

so what if it was a 380 with a shield and a 375 with haste and crit with a socket? lol

380 = no haste

[chilly brook]

Trust me if you have avatar available, you will grab aggro right back with one or two claps

[primal crypt]

@errant oriole weapon shield always ilvl

Even with socket

[errant oriole]

alrighty

sorry for the dumb questions lol

[sand egret]

get that phat blockratin

naw man thats why you come here

[primal crypt]

@chilly brook NOT TRUE

[neon tangle]

I come here to give dumb answers

[strong hill]

@errant oriole more ivl = more of that sweet blocking

[chilly brook]

Waddyamean

[primal crypt]

I died

And then my rogues died

[sand egret]

shoulda vanished

[chilly brook]

Lmao

Shoulda evasioned

[strong hill]

Lol

[primal crypt]

Vanish is dps cd or some shit

[sand egret]

tfw you a class with a threat drop

[primal crypt]

Lying asses

[neon tangle]

Or sprint and kite

[chilly brook]

Or tricks

[primal crypt]

And they always complain about not getting restealth

They complain so much

[neon tangle]

Basically click on any random button on your bars as a rogue

[chilly brook]

If I was the Rogue I woulda used tricks on the other rogue

[neon tangle]

Open up the spell book, choose anything

[chilly brook]

🙃

[neon tangle]

And you’ll live

[primal crypt]

Lmao

Rogues tricks each other

See who can kill who

[chilly brook]

Yep

See

[primal crypt]

Better than trees

[chilly brook]

This is why I’m not allowed to play rogue

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[chilly brook]

I’d just ruin runs for my own enjoyment

[sand egret]

tricks'ing the other rogue is like...how rogues say hello

it's like when dogs sniff butts

[primal crypt]

I started playing my rogue

[chilly brook]

Actually tbh tricks’ing the other rogue in that situation wouldn’t be a bad idea

[primal crypt]

It was fun a little bit

But dh is more mongo

[sand egret]

waaay more

[primal crypt]

But now @oblique garnet lais saying survival is viable

So now Im going to finish leveling my hunter

[chilly brook]

He’d pop his CDs take no damage and then vanish right as the CDs ware off then you do the same

[primal crypt]

To go melee

[chilly brook]

By the time the tanks back no damage was done

See

[sand egret]

or they both tricks the healer

and wait for vanish then dip

[chilly brook]

Secretly I’m actually making 200IQ strats

Maybe I should actually play rogue

[sand egret]

is Opulence in the 2nd wing of the raid finder?

[wary gyro]

It should be

[sand egret]

if i find myself in a dark spot, I may have to slum that

[primal crypt]

Next raid tier is open this week?

[sand egret]

shudders

[chilly brook]

Yikes

[neon tangle]

@sand egret but why

[chilly brook]

Never touch lfr

Ever

Ever

[primal crypt]

I have to

[chilly brook]

Never

[sand egret]

i wnat that trinket

[neon tangle]

It drops 370

[sand egret]

and i dont raid

[wary gyro]

Ew running lfr

[primal crypt]

The mog is decent

[neon tangle]

Who wants 379 gear

[sand egret]

so i'm just banking on the TF

[neon tangle]

370**

I’d take any 400 dps trinket over that

[sand egret]

"if i find myself in a dark spot"

implies rationality went out the window

[neon tangle]

Bollocks to defensive trinkets

[primal crypt]

I want opulence trinket

:(

It's so strong

[neon tangle]

But my parses

[primal crypt]

I'd rather relieve some dmg so my healer can dps more

Oh, parses

Raid...stuff

[errant oriole]

SO devastater is still super bad?

i miss being lazy 😦 lol

[primal crypt]

None of our talents are bad, theres just one in each row that's best

Like, ravager is top tier

But anger management is much better

[errant oriole]

oh....

interesting

ill have to try devastater out 😛

is it a ton less rage regen?

[primal crypt]

Im also saying dont use devastater

[errant oriole]

oh...

welll damn

got my hopes up and dropped em lol

[primal crypt]

Booming voice is far superior

[dense flame]

Grevious bolster tyran 😏

[tepid dagger]

I hate my trinkets so much. running a 400 butcher's block and a 410 big red button

[dense flame]

What a fun week

[primal crypt]

Talent tier 2 and 5 is the only one that has any "choices"

@tepid dagger butcher is great

[tepid dagger]

The BRB is fun when also running barage of many bombs though. Makes me feel like a true enginering

[primal crypt]

Red button not bad but not best

[tepid dagger]

crit is good for dps, but i don't trust parry for mitigation

[primal crypt]

Block is good.

[chilly brook]

Isn’t ravager no longer a meme?

But also a meme

[old zephyr]

50% party

[primal crypt]

Ravager has been used at top keys

[chilly brook]

Yea

[old zephyr]

[primal crypt]

Very sparse

[chilly brook]

So like I said

[primal crypt]

But still been used

[chilly brook]

No longer a meme but still a meme

[primal crypt]

We think it was an accident

[chilly brook]

Cuz didn’t justwait use it?

[primal crypt]

Forgot to change back after memeing in org

[jagged bay]

sloot used never surrender and deva on conclave

i mean some people have favorites

[primal crypt]

Never surrender was used a bit yes

[chilly brook]

Indom

🙃

[primal crypt]

To replace bolster

Is like ripping off your toe nails with pliers

[dense flame]

I wish ravager was baselines

Ravager is tight

[primal crypt]

You can do it, but it's not going to feel good

[chilly brook]

Ravager for prot in WoD was hilarious

I miss glad stance

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt survival is god

[primal crypt]

Yeah yeah

[tepid dagger]

I could never drop AM though

[primal crypt]

Im going to finish leveling it

Losing booming voice or anger management is yikes

[tepid dagger]

Avatar just soooo good

[chilly brook]

I’d never spec out of AM

Jk I say that but I know I would if there was a better option

[primal crypt]

They really should make ravager baseline

[chilly brook]

I agree

[old zephyr]

Yes plz

[chilly brook]

Or just make AM baseline

Which would be better imo

[jagged bay]

wouldnt taht be too op

[chilly brook]

I don’t think so

[primal crypt]

Nah

[hidden ether]

No it would just actually give us a talent choice

[chilly brook]

It’s basically an integral part of how our spec works anyways

[old zephyr]

Make ravager turn devastate animation into à 2 handed Shield Slam

[chilly brook]

Considering how we actually have to rotate CDs

[primal crypt]

I havent touched my talents since the start of BFA

That says something

[old zephyr]

I switch rumbling earth to stormbolt once

ONCE

[primal crypt]

That's the right selection

[chilly brook]

Stormbolt is the superior talent

[primal crypt]

Stormbolt > rumbling

Ranged stormbolt snipes

Boiiiiii👏

[chilly brook]

Hardly any situations where you actually benefit from the cd reduction

Having an extra on demand target stun is very invaluable

[primal crypt]

15 seconds isnt enough

Maybe if shockwave becomes 15-20 sec

From rumbling

Otherwise no thanks

[chilly brook]

I mean it used to drop it to 20 seconds when it was a part of shockwave iirc

[old zephyr]

With à proper team shockwave is to short à stun

[sick sentinel]

Just give back warbringer stun from legion back

[primal crypt]

YES

[sick sentinel]

Stuns for days

[primal crypt]

WARBRINGER

[chilly brook]

Lul

[primal crypt]

urg

So good

[chilly brook]

That was stun on charge right?

[primal crypt]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

And outside DR

[chilly brook]

Lmao that crap was too fun

[old zephyr]

AoE stun without Dr

[primal crypt]

Yup

[chilly brook]

Stun

Leap

Stun

[primal crypt]

Double aoe stun

Off dr

[chilly brook]

God prot was a blast in Legion

[old zephyr]

May they can put it in ravager spot

[primal crypt]

AND you safeguard your melee

[chilly brook]

Why did we have to lose so much?

[tepid dagger]

Anyone 410+, what's your raidbots sim dps at? Im 406 with 14,500 Patchwork, 26,645 hectic cleave. Looking to see what I can look forward to.

[sick sentinel]

Just have focus macro on melee and you're good to go

[old zephyr]

Because avatar I Guess

[chilly brook]

Wadu hek

Sim

[primal crypt]

They should give us nelfarions shield bullshit thing

[chilly brook]

For prot?

[primal crypt]

Where we cant move

That was best thing prot had in legion

[sick sentinel]

NL fart ? So I can use it 3 times during whole expansion?

[chilly brook]

Wait

Did I miss something? Does prot actually have a sim now?

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel i literally forgot it 3/4 of legion expansion

No, prot does not have sim

[chilly brook]

Didn’t think so

@tepid dagger I’m assuming you’re talking about a spec other than prot then

[tepid dagger]

nope, prot

[old zephyr]

Prot has sims now but i'm 'ot sûre they are reliable

[primal crypt]

Prot sims dont exist @tepid dagger

[tepid dagger]

They exist, just not entirely accurate

But still fun for epeen https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kQ76rm7vUPP1agErgygZtA

[sick sentinel]

@primal crypt I had to do the effort of putting it on my bars for KJ

[restive pivot]

dear fellows

[chilly brook]

Can we take a second to appreciate how much ilvl and stat creep is in the game right now?

[old zephyr]

I used nf on argus for lols scyth

[chilly brook]

Tanks able to sustain what most average DPS did last tier

[restive pivot]

I imported Spell Tracker WA via this linkhttps://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

but i cant get it worked

Anyone else had this problem?

[old zephyr]

To be Fair the average dps in my guild don't suqtain that much this tier lol

[chilly brook]

Oof

Honestly, there’s too much power creep

[old zephyr]

25k on BL pull, single target

Then avatar fades..

[tepid dagger]

yep

[chilly brook]

Part of me just wishes there was still only one difficulty

[tepid dagger]

Fun in world bosses though, prot can take anything down in 20 seconds

[old zephyr]

Them reaping pulls

So sweet

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel yeah

Him and aggramar

[naive panther]

Prot is the only tank doing decent damage this tier. The rest are doing uldir numbers still.

[primal crypt]

Prot paladin is doing great numbers

Just like warriors

Dont sleep on them

[stark sage]

i've been surprised by guardian dps in m+

their aoe is pretty good

[old zephyr]

Dk is wet noodle though, I can compete with them as a healer

[primal crypt]

Thrash spam?

[sand egret]

naw

swipe bruh

[primal crypt]

Oh swipe

[sand egret]

them WF traits

[primal crypt]

Nice swipe

[sand egret]

I was happy, I had like 13k overall on my bear last night in a FH

[stark sage]

did an underrot yesterday and on reaping phases the guardian was rocking like almost 40k

[old zephyr]

👢 🍵 👏!

40k ahaha

[primal crypt]

Bear can moonfire

[sand egret]

yep, all that scaling is coming into effect

[primal crypt]

Hell yes

[sand egret]

not Prot level of silliness

[old zephyr]

Reaping is lore like80k

[stark sage]

sure its not avatar tclap spam worthy, but 40k is enough to surpass some dps that dont have burst aoe tools

[sand egret]

the key is that it's 100% consistent

since it's just the baseline rotation and not paired with cooldowns. 😃

[stark sage]

yeah

[sand egret]

also RIP not havving those heh

[old zephyr]

Avatar os baseline rotation though

[stark sage]

guardian have many other flaws that make them weak in m+, but i wouldnt count their damage as a weakness

[sand egret]

but going from my war to bear isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be

[primal crypt]

Bear

Lul

[stark sage]

🐻

[sand egret]

biggest hurdle is coming to terms with the fact that their health pools are so effectively different

one is a sponge and the other is like semi-hard concrete

[primal crypt]

Id rather play paladin

Kek

Amirite @sand egret

Paladin

[sand egret]

i mean you ARE

you flashlight weilding traitor

I hope you somehow make it through and get paired against Lipkiss (who I hope is in it....) and just watch as his furry ass crushes 😃

[primal crypt]

HA

[sand egret]

imma be in that twitch chat like

POG YA'LL

[upbeat sage]

Trying to pickup prot warrior...is there a good weakaura for tracking timers? Didnt see anything under pin

[primal crypt]

i hope we make it through too

[sand egret]

Tekkz check the weakauras channel

its in those pins

[primal crypt]

I dont think the NA competition is too big

It's not as vicious as EU

[upbeat sage]

ahhh thanks

[sand egret]

you wouldn't hit Lip until you face against the Koreans anywho

[primal crypt]

NA is handicap region

[sand egret]

then god help you

cuz they are just straight like "what's a meta?" over there

[primal crypt]

Yup

Korea and china

Dont follow any metas

[sand egret]

they make metas

[primal crypt]

Team no heals

Almost qualified finals

If it wasnt for Seat of Trium

They were decimating everyone on time

[sand egret]

the fact that it's just Lip in a sea of warriors and dks at the top of the r.io boards is hilarious

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[sand egret]

"one of these things is not like the others!"

[primal crypt]

Whats his face

Korean prot

Running around with ravager for one of the weeks

I cant remember which affix

What's his name again. Fishbowl or something

[sand egret]

was it a necro week?

[primal crypt]

I cant remember

[sand egret]

sounds like it'd be a necro week move

this week is vacation week rigght?

[primal crypt]

Nah

Just need non mongo dps

Make a macro that says dps evenly

[tepid dagger]

grievous is physical apparently, so pew pew

[sand egret]

you know I pug only, right?

[primal crypt]

Hence the macro

And dont pull non elites into elite packs

[sand egret]

hence why that's redundant advice, of course I have that macro

😃

[tepid dagger]

And bolstered adds are fun, they may scratch instead of tickle

[primal crypt]

Because will 100% kill it

[sand egret]

for some reason I thought it was bursting + greivous

[primal crypt]

Pre-cc works right?

Yikes

Bursting grievous

Wtf is wrong with you lol

[sand egret]

yeah...

that's why I asked!

[naive panther]

So you think a bears dps is decent because he can do a third the damage of a prot war on a similar mass aoe pull? That’s silly.

[primal crypt]

Dont take it seriously

It's just bear things

[sand egret]

a race car can be fast, but when you compare it to a F-22 yeah the conversation sounds silly.

[primal crypt]

The bear is the F22?

[naive panther]

Compare a bears dps to anything and it’s shitty.

[primal crypt]

Bear is more like an Abrams

Imo

Looks about the same

[naive panther]

The top bear parse on grong for instance is 12k...

[stark sage]

@naive panther have you ran m+ with a geared bear who knows how to aoe?

we are talking aoe not ST

their ST is hot shit

[sand egret]

lol

[primal crypt]

Lol

[sand egret]

how can you talk about a reaping wave then cite a ST fight

pick yo lane

[stark sage]

[primal crypt]

Grong is aoe

[stark sage]

[sand egret]

YOU doing it

lol

[primal crypt]

Because you dodge the aoe slam

So it's ape fight

[stark sage]

[primal crypt]

Aoe*

Ape

Im leaving

[sand egret]

you're getting more Prot Pally by the moment Yam

[primal crypt]

I apologize for fat thumbs

[naive panther]

Top bear parse on opulence is 25k while war is 37k

[stark sage]

again 90% ST on that fight

[naive panther]

It’s still shitty compared to how tanks should be scaling

[primal crypt]

What about vengence demon hunter

How is their dmg

[stark sage]

i would wager that a bear's sustain aoe dps is comparable to fury' sustain aoe outside of reck on a pack of 10+ mobs

[naive panther]

It’s 25k

Shitty

[primal crypt]

Oh nice

Time to roll dh

[naive panther]

Opulence all tanks are about 25k except pally a hair above then war a while above.

[sand egret]

yeah Kel, once you get into that high mob count

the pure aoe rotation will come thru

[primal crypt]

Yup

[sand egret]

esp if you get solid GG procs

[primal crypt]

PALADIN 👏

YUP

[sand egret]

THIS GUY

[primal crypt]

kek

[sand egret]

the extra rings were super impactful for some tanks which is starting to show itself

[stark sage]

in the raid, ofc the bear's tools are shit because its 100% either burst aoe phases or ST phases/ low target cleave

bear excels in high target sustain

which teeming + reaping

[sand egret]

esp on fort when they last > 20 seconds

I'm just coming anecdotally here, but the difference, while noticeable, is not as large as the memes may say

[stark sage]

just look at lipkiss

the guy is a monster

[primal crypt]

Dude is insane

[sand egret]

like legit

[primal crypt]

Legit

Insane

[sand egret]

gets all my respect man.

[stark sage]

2/9M, rank3 in io score

XD

[sand egret]

i'm 0/9 N and like #1 on my server XD

although I'm fairly confident i'm actually just on a Classic server....

[dark lark]

410 jes howler, 400 rezan eye, or 400 alch trinket?

M+

[sand egret]

eye and jes, but ya gotta use the jes right

if you can't be bothered with it, alch isn't bad at all

[dark lark]

yeah i really like the alch trinket for the 40% potion buff, saved me a lot

i typically macro trinkets to my avatar

what do you mean by use it right?

[sand egret]

my personal opinion on Jes' isn't very high, so I'm kinda biased

getting your party into the buff

[dark lark]

is there a range to it?

[sand egret]

as you'll not only get the benefits from the trinket, but now that trinket scales even higher due to each party member getting the benefit

yeah

i forget what it's range is tho

[dark lark]

googling it says it's 20 y ards

*yards

which is a decent radius

[sand egret]

i would try it out and see how you like using it

i can't stand the thing, so I opted out of it and took the ilvl hit. Both the nuance of the positioning and the awkward 2 min cooldown are big turn-offs for me. I went with dual crit trinkets for M+ myself.

[dark lark]

knot and butcher block?

[sand egret]

yar

but I also don't have a high ilvl rezan's

[primal crypt]

Yeah, the minute I get another trinket with a socket

Or high TF

im dropping jes

The 2 min is bollocks

[sand egret]

it's just so awkward lol

[primal crypt]

Yeah

I have it keybound separately

[sand egret]

HEY TRINKETS UP AND YOU GOT 4 SECONDS LEFT ON AVATAR LOL

[primal crypt]

So that I have 5 people in range

And 12 seconds is very very short

[sand egret]

yeah, I had it the same way for the brief time i used it

[primal crypt]

12 seconds for 2 min

[dark lark]

oh, it also splits that first number (1292 vers) between the party, then gives you back 161 per person

[primal crypt]

Feels complete trash

[dark lark]

:/

thought it was gives everybody 1292 lmao

[sand egret]

no, but it's weighted to be a net gain with more people

thus the "proper" use

[dark lark]

ah

[sand egret]

since you get "free" vers with every additional person

[primal crypt]

I had 100% uptime on it https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gbG7hft3L8CWq4Aa#fight=last

Only 11 casts lol

Thats a feelsbad

[sand egret]

so even tho you individually don't have as much vers, the combined total among the party > your solo gain

[primal crypt]

^

Especially with two rogues

[sand egret]

so it's this weird tradeoff too

[primal crypt]

Who eat up vers

[sand egret]

like what if I need all the defense I can get

but i got 2 melee "soaking" it up

[dark lark]

lol

you still get 902 vers if you get 4 people in the buff

[sand egret]

yeah, but this is WoW. A game where the term "sim yo self" is a legit saying. Min/Maxing is life

we got specs that are "dead" because they're < 5% off the top end spec

[primal crypt]

Troo dat

[sand egret]

realism has no place in WoW now. Only simulations. All we experience when we play is simply a bugged sim

[dark lark]

ha

[sand egret]

/endsalt. But yeah, if you like Jes's go for it but in my case the actual use of it doesn't merit the "gains"

[dark lark]

ill give it a try

[sand egret]

it is the "better" option

[dark lark]

3x BoM already makes me top meters during reapers lol

[primal crypt]

Kek, I just trolled #fury

[dark lark]

topkek

honestly though, im far more useful for dungeons as prot than either dps spec lol

my previous m+ tank switched from brew to mw for us because prot damage is busted

[sick sentinel]

if you have a couple of gathering storms traits arms absolutely destroys in keys

[dark lark]

yeah i have 2x LoW, 1 GS, and 3x SW haha

so my arms overall dps is like 2k dps higher than my fury was

but my fury is still simming higher so maybe i just suck at both; whatever prot4lyfe

[sick sentinel]

arms won't beat fury for ST, but just due to the nature of m+ and how much trash etc

and the fact that fury aoe is capped at 5 targets LOL

Arms can go large with good bs usage

[stark sage]

fury is better this season imo, reaping gels pretty well with it

even though the pulls are large and surpass their 5 target limit

[sand egret]

don't sleep on the aoe snare

[stark sage]

the mobs lend more to sustain aoe than burst aoe

[sand egret]

totally not mentioned, but that's a thing that exists

[stark sage]

and since they often trickle into a clump, arms' WB+BS combo tends to be slightly wasted

[sand egret]

I may have had to remind my random fury pug that he had that ability.....

[primal crypt]

Remind him about howl???

Wat

What if he doesn't even have it on his bars

LMAO

[sick sentinel]

trickling can be minimised if your group plans where your trash dies

but in general I would agree, since DH's are fotm

You aren't gonna get that value you want out of arms if you have one to push, and most groups do

[stark sage]

also that fury has about 9x more representation in keys 15+

[neon tangle]

@sand egret wait why don't you like jes?

Makes me feel like I'm doing something for the group

[sick sentinel]

but that'd be less to do with arms being bad in m+ and more to do with fury being top tier in raid

trait reforging is great game design 😃

[neon tangle]

I try and pop it in times where the whole group could use a lil' boost, especially fun if I can line it up w/ a lust

[sand egret]

I don't like it for 3 major reasons:

1. The cooldown is awkward. 2 min is weird, and combined with Avatar + AM it desyncs really badly.
2. The usage itself is awkward. Positioning requirements on a trinket as a tank are already a point of contention for me.
3. I hate Versatility on principle so this is just a whole bunch of "meh" for me.

the last one is, very much just a hill im dying on

[keen galleon]

Jes is a really nice trinket if your avatar usage is mediocre

[sand egret]

that's a nice way of putting it

[keen galleon]

Like if you're getting it every other avatar or using it as a defensive, it's really good

[dark lark]

if your avatar usage is mediocre, wouldn't your jes usage be mediocre 🤔

[sand egret]

naw because you can get your avatar to ~1 min

[keen galleon]

If you're strict about AM and run an avatar every 45s, it desynced in an annoying way

[sand egret]

so it lines up with every othe

if you're pumping (as you should) you can drive Avatar much lower to sub 1 min

[keen galleon]

Exactly.

[sand egret]

which causes the massive desync

so the trinket quite literally fights against you

[keen galleon]

40-45s is about where really aggressive pulls and good demo shout usage puts you

[sand egret]

yeah, and Prot is geared towards these pulls so the stuff you want to do makes the trinket feel worse

[keen galleon]

Speaking of. I've been pondering this exact problem. I got a 400 gemmed knot from ivus.

The 1min CD is super awkward

[sand egret]

eh it's not bad

[keen galleon]

I've been using it every other avatar and calling it good

[sand egret]

it actually lines up quite well

since avatar is a 20 second duration

and the knot is less

so you can use it mid-avatar and it'll be up around the same time

[keen galleon]

Yeah using it mid avatar is..
More mental bandwidth than I like to spend on dps in high keys

But I get your point

[sand egret]

me prot eat much vitamins

me got good brain

😄

[keen galleon]

Lol

[sand egret]

but yeah, i have it bound on its own and it seems to line up nicely

[keen galleon]

I'm just now learning to do 15+ keys. It's a lot to learn and focus on

It's been a long time since I had to really focus 100% on living thru pulls

[sand egret]

it may come mid avatar but its usually always up during an avatar window

[keen galleon]

My compromise was I bound it separately and macrod it to avatar. If it's up when I hit avatar I use it. If it's not I can try to use it mid avatar

But it keeps my trinket usage at least decent

[sand egret]

yeah that works

[broken roost]

I've found Knot keeps desyncing more and more with avatar since the CD is longer... if I use it partway through Avatar I can still get the benefit for that Avatar but then it has like 20 sec on it when avatar next comes up

It can line up if the dung has a run between pulls or whatever though of course (which most seem to end up having here and there)

[keen galleon]

Yeah but those situations aren't super relevant. I'm more worried about managing the 5-6 pulls in a row situation

That's where desyncing gets bad

[neon tangle]

could try and use vial or something

1.5 minute CD, so ~every other avatar

[keen galleon]

Yeah the 90s CD ones definitely line up better. I have mekka and could be using that.

But it sims substantially worse than knot, and vial sims substantially worse than either

[neon tangle]

maybe weirdness with the sims

[keen galleon]

Mekka is probably a haste breakpoints, the sim goes bonkers whenever I'm getting an extra TC per avatar window

[neon tangle]

If the sims are blowing the trinket on CD that may not end up actually being better in m+ since you're far more likely to not have to kite during an avatar cycle

[keen galleon]

Is there a pretty good consensus here that if you have opulence trinket at 400+ ilevel you should be running it?

It seems to output an absolute ton of healing

[sand egret]

it's probably the best defensive trinket

but that's back to the age-old question: do you need the defense?

it's like Blockades 2.0 in my mind

[keen galleon]

Hm.

It feels a lot more impactful than blockades to ne

But I get your point

[sand egret]

it's effectively very similar in many respects.

but yeah, the other way to put it is: it has no offensive value

(other than the semantical binary case of, you being dead)

[keen galleon]

Well, and flat str. So it's just competing vs a proc

Which is better than if it had stam or whatever

[languid wagon]

greetings warriors, i am a fotm reroller. what race is the most alpha for M+ protection warrior?

[sand egret]

yeah well you can kinda internalize the str on the item itself as most trinkets also have it but true true

Alliance: Ne/Dorfs

[neon tangle]

@languid wagon alliance or horde?

[sand egret]

Horde: Be

[lusty grotto]

well at least you're honest 😉

[neon tangle]

BE for sho on horde

[final mist]

Whatever you like, TBH.

Although if you aren't some sort of elf, you're doing it wrong.

[sand egret]

hisss

no dorf love

[languid wagon]

ty

[tepid dagger]

Go Tauren cause rawr giant coffin door xmog

[lusty grotto]

well here's why they say so though

shadowmeld can be used to death run and skip reaps

fireblood helps a lot for bleeds and other shennanigans (see KR)

[sand egret]

(also applies to Stoneform)

[lusty grotto]

arcane torrent for certain debuffs

[final mist]

It's less for racials, and more for transmog. Because racials largely don't matter for 99% of the playerbase.

So whatever you like the most is the best.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

yeah those 3 def help for like 15s, most of the content is more than doable with any race

[sand egret]

I choose my race purely on attack animations and their beard options

which is to say, it makes very little difference

[final mist]

All of the content is doable with any race - the racials just help.

If you're really that dedicated and good enough to do 18s - 22s with your group, your racial will help, but it won't be the thing holding you back.

[lusty grotto]

that's what i meant

could have worded it better hehe

[neon tangle]

Playing a race that I hate how it looks will hold me back tho

Since I won't play that toon

[sand egret]

See: all elves

[broken roost]

Highmountain Tauren 4 Life

[sand egret]

but an actual QoL thing i've found as a tank in regards to races: I prefer smaller races since it makes things easier for me to see in cramped areas

[broken roost]

With the biggest available shield and brass knuckles

[sand egret]

which is mostly just PTSD from tanking Nefarion in Vanilla

[broken roost]

Agreed - I cannot see ANYTHING in Waycrest as a highmountain

[sand egret]

tauren just too damn big

[uneven mason]

Dwarf is about right, short enough to never feel cramped, large enough to be able to walk up stairs without jumping (see gnomes and goblins)

[sand egret]

and arms long enough so every attack animation doesn't look like they're just headbutting you

[neon tangle]

gobbos got rocket jump though

[uneven mason]

FIreblood > Rocketjump

I mean, not that we're out of TOS

*now

[neon tangle]

Don't need to clear a debuff if it never gets applied

[sand egret]

the first time tanking the last boss in TD on my orc that was a dorf...wasweird

[sick sentinel]

I chose my race solely on the tc animation

[uneven mason]

TFW rocketjump is like 5 feet

its useful for negating knockbacks

[sick sentinel]

And orc's is great

[uneven mason]

Dwarf uses the same animation

Dwarves are literally hairy orcs

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but you have to play alliance

[uneven mason]

Not working for Weebqueen rotbitch 👍

[sand egret]

have you seen that beard game? and there's nothing like Fireblooding a line of debuffs

[uneven mason]

Sylvanas was a good character, back when she had a reason to be a tragic hero

[sick sentinel]

Dwarfs don't smell

that much

[warm plinth]

Dwarves have the game's best beards; idk how there's debate for best race.

[uneven mason]

DID smell like, well I'd guess burning metal

like when your Nvidia2080ti lights on fire

[neon tangle]

I can't really judge dwarf smell

I play a forsaken

DK

double-ded

[sand egret]

can they still fearbreak on command?

[uneven mason]

Like a Porkchop that was left in the freezer for 12 years and then set in the sun to thaw

mmmmm double ded

[neon tangle]

@sand egret yeah WotF breaks fear on a 2-min CD

[sand egret]

and don't they have that passive leech bonus damage thing

[uneven mason]

shadow DD proc

iirc

[sand egret]

kinda neat

[neon tangle]

yeap

[uneven mason]

was pretty amazering for Unholy DKs

since mastery buffed it

dunno if it still does

[sand egret]

they could be OP as shit if we get stuck in some underwater zone in azshara land

no need to hunt for locks 😃

[neon tangle]

I actually went a few months before I realized that I had the fear-break racial

until I was in here

complaining about how I miss the fear break from warrior

[uneven mason]

😄

Remember back when we had 3 fear breaks

[sand egret]

although, does the undead underwater passive apply to that drowning debuff you get in SotS

[uneven mason]

Perpperidge Farm remembers

No Blade it doesn't

[sand egret]

i have this strong feeling we're going to see more "drowning" type mechanics in the future

[uneven mason]

So Literally my tanks all got jack squat

from the weekly chests

my healers both got 420 weapons

[sick sentinel]

I remember scratching my head back in TBC when warlocks allways tried to fear me

[uneven mason]

watahell

"Silly warlock, you literally JUST MADE ME MAD"

[neon tangle]

I also got cannabalize, which I have exclusively used on alliance corpses

[sand egret]

my ragebros are probably gonna get screwed this week. Got a shield last week, no way this can continue. Furboi did ok tho

[uneven mason]

My druid got a healystick

or Boomystick

works for both

[sand egret]

oh i only sit in guardian spec

[uneven mason]

Oh, I gave up on guardian spec

[sand egret]

not playing a tank spec is super weird to me

[uneven mason]

if I want to play something that will make me depressed theres always my VDH

[sand egret]

i tried feral in a dungeon one time....ended up going into bear to taunt loose adds.....never again.

[uneven mason]

You spec Balance

[sick sentinel]

VDH ? is that the spec that use running away as a tanking mechanic ?

[formal kayak]

hi

[uneven mason]

with Guardian Affinity

[formal kayak]

what are the easiest keys this week?

[uneven mason]

and tank like guardin druid while doing more DPS

Not temple

[neon tangle]

@formal kayak not-SOTS

[lusty grotto]

not temple or siege

[formal kayak]

WM?

[sand egret]

AD should be pretty easy outside of the saurids

[lusty grotto]

yeah WM will be tough

[restive pivot]

fellas is it normal if i have issues with holding the aggro at 385 ilvl, while i am playing alongside 3 +400 dps?

[sand egret]

WM has high fail potential

yeah a bit

[formal kayak]

TD?