Because the numbers change slightly
#protection
warm plinth
sick sentinel
Yeah exactly
tardy berry
What do y'all think of next weeks affixes? With tyranical raging and volcanic? :)
warm plinth
We just had tyrannical/raging/volcanic
tardy berry
Yeah ueah
west portal
Hi all. New join here. Some pug raged at me and told me to join this discord after failing at TD+11. How goes?
fringe marten
sup man
Failing a key timer can have more issues than just with the tank; but if they were that upset I'm sure there were issues you needed to address.
west portal
Well said.
honest canopy
Trying to talk to someone on the reddit wow discord is just gonna make me even more angry
west portal
It was a boss strat thing... I thought we would down the brother on boss#2 and they kept interrupting the boss and then got angry I wasn't holding aggro on it (I wasn't attacking it).
But I became aware of this as a result and that's a good thing
fringe marten
Omni, look over the pins (top/right side of the chat window..next to the 2 'people' icon..next to the bell) Make sure you're playing warrior 'properly' already as far as your self mitigation..and DPS output goes for M+.
fringe marten
If you're sure you're using all your abilities properly, then it'll come down to gear possibly, and then pull route, and then specific executions on various skips, or boss mechanics.
For you it was obviously an issue of executing jes and bobby howlett properly.
west portal
... I only see the IV post (which I'm good with already)... and a Dazar post... are there anymore that should be pinned?
fringe marten
On lower keys, if your dps is strong enough you can interrupt Jes, pull them together..and cleave everything down (still pull jes to a spot he can be LOS'd for his daggers)
IV and dazar? no in the pins you wanna look at the links to icy veins..to information about general play strategy for warrior and make sure you're solid on all that.
On tyrannical keys, or on simply tougher higher keys....you honestly don't want to interrupt Jes. He adds a second required interrupt and requires you to LOS his dagger attack...opening up the possibility someone gets pinned by bobby during daggers, or you're all clustered up during a quaking or volcanic etc etc.
Jes's buff (motivating howl?) really isn't that scary, and he's essentially removed himself from the fight while channeling it.
So you pull bobby on top of him, plus adds that are left..and just cleave everyone..don't interrupt jes. When bobby pins someone it's SUPPOSED to be a Damage shield that absorbs X damage, before you can kick/interrupt bobby. (it will show on screen as an uninterruptable cast)
However, a bug that's never been fixed is that you can insta interrupt bobby when he pins someone...removing his mechanic quite easily.
TLDR: Don't inerrupt Jes..makes the fight more complicated than it needs to be. Only interrupt bobby, and insta interrupt him when he pins someone. when everyone is dead or very low...interrupt and finish Jes.
sick sentinel
oh my god I absolutely love people giving wrong/outdated advice
dadugan have you done TD in the last 2 months?
fringe marten
Yes I did a 15 last week.
sick sentinel
and you did not interrupt jes?
fringe marten
No
sick sentinel
even though he takes 90% less damage when he is casting motivation howl
interesting
fringe marten
Yes of course he takes less damage
that doesn't mean you DON'T pull on top of him for cleave
that's STILL free damage
sick sentinel
or, you can do the sensible thing and actually do the fight correctly
ocean acorn
do i want the alchemis trinket or can i just go 400 rezan and butchers block
fringe marten
Ok, sure...and once the key gets nasty and you're dealing with 2 bosses, both of which have a fear that needs to be interrupted (managable) One of which has a deadly mechanic you have to LOS, the other of which pins someone and channels damage on them.
Sure you can fight both.
Or you can let one guy CC himself outta' the fight entirely, kill one boss for free, and then kill the other alone...just like he was at the start of the fight being easily managable. Yes it takes slightly longer, it's also 200% easier.
hollow thorn
tbh on higher keys TD you can just not kick Jes, it makes the fight a lot easier, but u also lose time
fringe marten
Deattu..that's EXACTLY what I'm suggesting.
hollow thorn
If you are not on voice its gonna be really rough
slender pulsar
If there are no persons with disabilities in the group, then there is no reason not to interrupt
hollow thorn
coordinating interrupts on 2 targets
eager hollow
Just thunder clap 
hollow thorn
you lose maybe 1 minute, which isnt a big deal in TD
sick sentinel
idk about you I don't do high keys without comms so we might have different experieces
potent anvil
hollow thorn
as u usually finish with 10 min left lol
fringe marten
..he's pugging an 11, PUGGING.. You're going to rely on some guys to NOT blow interrupts, coordinate properly, have one person hold an interrupt for bobby's pin..then LOS the daggers, and possibly have other issues depending on key mechanics. OR..or... make the fight WAY easier and smoother and move on with your life. ?
fringe marten
Not if you establish and explain that on the way up. "hey guys don't interrupt jes..just stack and cleave on him"
If the tank says it..people will obey it.
open bluff
If you're pugging anything over an 8 you'd better have a few drinks handy
outer dew
yikes
open bluff
^
sick sentinel
pugging 8-11 is shit, pugging 13+ is generally better
fringe marten
Not necessarily; plenty of my better keys are 'pugged' but pugging with people 1600/1800/2000+ on comms.
hollow thorn
Anyone tried pugging HC Mekka?
outer dew
i'd rather blow someone
hollow thorn
Thats fun
fringe marten
Deattu my first kill on him came in a pug, my guild is pretty bad.
sick sentinel
F for everyone who has
outer dew
than pug HC mekka
ocean acorn
do i want the alchemis trinket or can i just go 400 rezan and butchers block
sick sentinel
@ocean acorn it is an upgrade over block
outer dew
nah
sick sentinel
if you have alchemy already
fringe marten
Naw mekka pug is easy; you have a key-off who calls Name/color of 2 other guys than says "now call me" all 3 people pop out together it's clean.
outer dew
don't listen to him
open bluff
Gore/rezan's
open bluff
Alch stone is pretty mediocre unless you're using health pots constantly
fringe marten
Shpicey if you want dps probably rezan and alch.
Remember also you get 60% of Alchemy trinkets proc in armor as well..so it's like 1.5%~ mitigation increase too.
open bluff
Crit proc for them parries tho 
sick sentinel
alch and block make you hit harder, rezan's brings you faster avatars
ocean acorn
outer dew
foroh
ocean acorn
those are all my trinkets
sick sentinel
I would anchor+rezans
hollow thorn
For Dungeons Anchor
fringe marten
Shpicey your trinket choices depend on your confidence in the content you're doing to 'not' need maximum defense vs slightly more damage output.
ocean acorn
fringe marten
The alch trinket is all around good for any situation..rezans is pretty much a staple you won't replace. Other excellent allaround choices are the Blood vial from underrot. The other choices are fun toys for damage output/ parry increase in M+
I'm going to guess tofu's screenshot is from 0 stacks of ITTF. and Shpiceys might include a couple.
hollow thorn
Definetly go Anchor for Dungeons, and then im not sure whats better between Alchemist and Rezan
sick sentinel
I would personally take alch trinket over vial any day of the week
when at the same ilvl I would go rezan
hollow thorn
For Raids id just go Alchemist and Rezan
ocean acorn
woops i had wrong gear
sick sentinel
but because stone is 15 ilvls higher
fringe marten
The alchemy trinket has a 25%~ uptime...it's 15 second duration @1ppm, it's quite strong and consistent.
sick sentinel
I would go trinket
ocean acorn
that wasnt highest ilvl had fury on
sick sentinel
procs with charge most of the time
fringe marten
^^
fringe marten
most ppm trinkets after a fight or two..have their internal cooldowns reset, so they'll proc almost instantly as you engage a new pull; which is why they work so well.
ocean acorn
LOL
fringe marten
That being said, I've had a 405 howler for ..I think since that TD15 or oen of the other td's I ran. I quite dig it. The versatility boost is actually ridiculous for damage output.
sick sentinel
2 min cd is a bit long
sick sentinel
y
fringe marten
it's like a 16 or 18% damage output increase outright...and then half of that in damage reduction. in pure flat DR...that's ? way good.
(also why it's just under the opulence trinket for tanking, followed by rezans eye)
anyway..back to apex legends before sleep.
wide girder
i use alch stone + rezan in m+. Pretty good in all situations. Dont like Jess (Have 410)
halcyon needle
hello, do we have somewhere to find the value of non protection azerite traits like incinte the pack , endless hunger ,bonded souls ?
restive pivot
I think lack of information suggests we should have no interest in trying to make a sense of them
When we have strong spec specifics
halcyon needle
i never considered lack of information as relevant π but i get your point
sick sentinel
@halcyon needle there are extremely niece circumstances where bonded souls and incite the pack is the best option
undone sun
niche
sick sentinel
very,very niece
halcyon needle
what kind of niche ?
sick sentinel
generally, over a second DC
I have seen both marok and sense use incite the pack tbh
but I don't have seen anything written about it
restive pivot
I dont see how incite the pack would be the best option in any case unless you dont have one of those specific traits at hand. Not sure about the value of bonded souls though.
halcyon needle
thx. yes bonded souls looks nice . i hesitate with it or a second bloodsport
honest canopy
What unitframes do you all use?
I need something thats easy to setup, and very clean
restive pivot
It use that of elvui
honest canopy
I had so many issues with elvui recently
sick sentinel
I use default blizzard frames
sick sentinel
but thinking of using plater for fury
honest canopy
I need something less plottery and bigger
restive pivot
Are you regularly updating it?
sick sentinel
to help spot execute range faster
honest canopy
I am allways keeping my addons up to speed
restive pivot
You can use kui
honest canopy
I have Kui nameplates
restive pivot
But its not my thing.
honest canopy
Do they have Unitframes as well?
honest canopy
yeah, used long time ago
Used shadowed as well
Oh snap, figured
I can just use the unitframes and the bossframes
and nothing more
from shadowed.
restive pivot
Sure yeah
livid moat
I need your serious help, despite my high AoE damage, I cant get aggro of 2+ adds (happens in both M+, raid trash packs, boss mobs (for example Rastakhan on pull, Jaina on pull, Champion of the Light adds when new ones spawn). How am I supposed to get those adds, the hunters say they did misdirect me but I still cant get the adds ?
tight tree
Did they MD you or other tank? π€
livid moat
they say they MD'd me
the other tank doesnt get aggro of these adds
random people from the raid do :D
tight tree
Anyway should not be problem, if you TC them they should glue to you, unless other tank do something high damage to them
Maybe DPS hit them fraction of second before you then it can happen but if you do any damage to them they should return to you
junior igloo
Tell people to target your main target in the opener
livid moat
BUt the thing is, we got another Prot Warr as a tank and he doesnt have this kind of a problem, I talked to him and he couldnt help me :D
tight tree
Also on champions if they stand and cast away from you and you not hitting them you can lose threat on them
livid moat
I can not gather them in the first place, once I do get them, there's no problem
tight tree
Adds start casting asap, ask for ranged interrupts so they can run to you btw. Otherwise i have no clue, you hit stuff, stuff goes to you on warrior, we are highest damage tanks now. Cant say more without seeing what you doing.
Also you have taunt ofc, use it on strays. And heroic throw doing decent threat for ranged ability.
rapid tide
In all fairness, sounds like you are doing something wrong.
Are you maybe just taunting them or throwing axes on them trying to gather them around before oyu actuallly start smacking?
Because that does not hold aggro at all π
livid moat
Most of the time I go like this:
- Heroic leap in the middle
2.1 Heroic Throw at any add that I feel is the furthest
2.2 Taunt at the 'biggest' add - Demoralizing Shout > Avatar > Thunderclaps
open field
Thats how I do it to
steady dragon
Would you guys say its worth to go from 395 haste/vers to 400 crit/mast
ditto for 390->400
sick sentinel
yes
sick sentinel
more stats>better stats
open field
With rings to? I thought rings are an acception
floral tinsel
Not for prot warrior
Only real exception where higher ilvl is not better is on specific trinkets... or in slots where a socket is huge (like cloak)
open field
So also rings you use higher ilvl?
floral tinsel
Ohh and if you somehow are unlucky enought to not have a DC Azerite trait, its probably worth downgrading a piece 15ilvls to pick that trait up
yes, higher ilvl rings > haste
open field
Oh ok thanks
floral tinsel
like.. our secondary stats are super close together
bright arrow
I got a question about trinket : is the 415 alchemy stone worth upgrading (for m+) over 400 rezan's gleaming eye and 400 opulence trinket ? I know this combo works very well together, that's why i want ur points of view :)
sick sentinel
we have conflicting opinions about this
I have been an advocate that 15 ilvls are worth it but others are against
bright arrow
Flat vers could be nice I think for magical damages, but I should compute extra absorb given by rezan's gleaming eye buff on opulence trinket for like a 30min run
sick sentinel
the strength of rezan's is that you get generate more rage so your avatar comes faster
just need an easy week to farm AD 10+ keys for that 425 Rezan
steel mauve
Rezans is more dps oriented than defensive oriented, alchemy stone is about the same with the str proc, which is up about 25%-30%
The flat vers on alch stone would make it defensove over rezans though, so its whether you need dps or survival
sick sentinel
Rezan is good for offense and defense since haste is our "best" stat
steel mauve
Rezans is still used more offensively then defensively, and is still considered as such
sick sentinel
well most of the times, someone asks for trinket recommendations it's Allways Rezan + something
and it all comes down to Anger Management
steel mauve
Usually because they have a high rezans and some thing else thats lower it seems like, still doesnt change that fact of it's usage
sick sentinel
you take less damage when you kill shit faster so it can't hit you
did you just quote what I said literally 4 messages ago
and why is your discord orange
also I like RAGE in raids since it's like mini hero with 1.5 min CD
On use trinkets have much more use in raids compared to mplus
I'm living the Everchill m+ dream
because you can use them while tanking whereas proc trinkets can proc just as your OT taunts
also when you play with the big BoM
everything between the end of your avatar and the start of the next one
is just non-sense and should be treated as such
I just wish I had my 75% mastery from the end of the Legion
you can still have it, for 20 sec every minute
you just need 3 boms at like 420 ilvl
steel mauve
I use bluelight filter on my phone
sick sentinel
oh, right
strange horizon
Do you guys tweak your set up for grievous? Like more defensive/healing traits and trinkets
primal crypt
Nope @strange horizon
restive pivot
Let your healers suffer
primal crypt
Same old set up. Blame your dps for bolstering things
restive pivot
Thats what other 4 always did when iwas healing
primal crypt
Never hold back on thunder clap
restive pivot
π
primal crypt
Honestly though, this week is going to be slow af
Keep your eyes open for non elites mixed into elite packs
Otherwise you end up with insta 4 bolsters
Then your dps will kill everything one by one and 9 bolster that one maggot
vocal skiff
I assume the droplets in Shrine don't bolster, do they
primal crypt
Nope
Neutrals only bolster neutrals
So you can bolster 1 droplet with the others
But not the enemy mobs
vocal skiff
Understood
restive pivot
Pugs shall be shaken, our shields be splintered, a wipe week, a red week, ere the sun rises! Run now, run now. Run back to Dazar alor.
primal crypt
This week will be fairly rough for pugs
A lot of players that heal are very weak with grievous
bold zinc
is there a wa to show other tank stacks or'
surreal gorge
π
primal crypt
On top of that, dps are super mongo and dont understand bolstering
Tyrannical bosses will destroy the weaker tanks who don't know how to mitigate
Reaping will finish off the leftovers
restive pivot
Sleep on shield block and boom.
I think lowe keys are harder than higher keys btw.
primal crypt
After about +12 it gets a little better
primal crypt
Anything under that, have your dalaran hearthstone ready
narrow abyss
π
modest wedge
narrow abyss
Hopefully this the week I finally replace shield π
primal crypt
Ez, just get one 4hed
narrow abyss
50-50 chance right. U either get it or u donβt
primal crypt
I cant roll for my shield off champions until I get a second 2h :(
Raid leader is watching me
Lolololol
narrow abyss
Hahahaha
restive pivot
A question if i may: at 385 equipped what m+ difficulty i should expect to be able to tank?
With my own group lets say with same gear.
primal crypt
Depends
narrow abyss
I never know how to answer that question cause knowing the dungeons and affixes is weighted so heavily...
broken roost
Depends on the affixes hah
broken roost
But like last week probably +12ish? For most dungs
sick sentinel
@vocal skiff I have managed to get a droplet in a +5 shine to 5 million health
last season
primal crypt
But my alt is also a bdk
So yeah
14 was a bit rough
Bdk feels so bad to play too
Like paper
primal crypt
You have to kite and stuff, horrible feeling
narrow abyss
With 380 BDK
primal crypt
Unholy is where it's at
primal crypt
Dungeon mass pulls and pvp
Ive had a satisfying 300k pump
We'll do great this week though
lucid bough
well its explosive week
I was being destroyed in a 17 later thou
no boomkin treants
mortal carbon
anyone can send me the backpaddle twitch clip? thanks
narrow abyss
Yeah the victory rushes were nice
primal crypt
I was pulling almost 30k hps on some of the pulls
lucid bough
casual bdk pulls
restive pivot
Thank you for the inputs.
primal crypt
Yeah, mdi qualifier week falls on bursting skittish week
Bursting is so annoying for us
Literally HAVE to stop clapping
hollow thorn
If they dont nerf skittish b4 that week then idk
Its still free tho
Cus no quaking on top
primal crypt
Bursting quaking
...
Skittish is no matter
Prot double rog
If they rip threat, someone messed up
somber carbon
Soo, reaping..
Any tips are welcome, how do we handle it?
Most say: LoS, Stun, dispell - but i want to get a little bit more in depth, do we kite, how long do we wait before stunning - are we use SW+LS on the same time, or which one first and so on?
jagged bay
if u have reaping for a couple of times you will get a feeling for what u need and when u need it just experience it a bit
astral crystal
it's pretty standard, just stun when they're grouped up and casting, use your interrupts, avatar and tclap until everything dies
there's not huge strat to it
restive pivot
Dispel on cd is bad for your health.
narrow abyss
Not much to it imo
somber carbon
Well, experience is vital ofc. But i want to allready put some thought into it before standing there, wiping my ass off, so to speak
narrow abyss
Dodge purple green grurple. Stun. Kick. Clap
restive pivot
@somber carbon treat them like q big pack with nasty melee. Cc and kite whenever you can. Spell reflect their cast when you can.
jagged bay
it kinda depends on what mobs you kill aswell cause not every mob is doing the debuff
restive pivot
Dont pop LS or SW if not as a last resort
steady dragon
heya just making sure im not spreading misinfo, this is correct yes?
or should the 10 be changed to 5
zinc garnet
the big purple swirls are by far the most dangerous thing
somber carbon
@steady dragon - think i've given you some homework over there on reddit, with questions regarding both Prot warr and BDK.
Thanks to all of u. I will go in and get reaped
strong hill
Los, interrupt and dodge the crap on the floor is pretty much it
steady dragon
i awnsered those about 5 mins ago ^^
sick sentinel
you always upgrade for 5 ilvls
you drop 10 ilvls only for sockets
For rings
You drop only 5 for armor
little marsh
Hi, I'm starting to boost my warr prot alter in gear and I wonder what's better, engineering or blacksmith? I can farm mats and bwomsandis in both cases
primal crypt
What kaege said @steady dragon
primal crypt
Upgrade
sick sentinel
for sockets in armor
primal crypt
Armor socket 5 ilvl. Ring socket 10 ilvl.
Deafening Crash, 15 ilvl.
Shield ilvl > socket always due to block.
@steady dragon
sick sentinel
weap ilvl>socket as well
steady dragon
gotta get that wep dps
primal crypt
I got a 400 jes howler with a socket yesterday
My outlaw rogues gave me the stink eye because I said I wasnt going to use it
So now Im running Jes.
Stupid rogues
primal crypt
They actually convinced my pally to run hers too lmao, mind you we're running farm keys
My outlaw rogue is strat caller, and he can see the trinkets, calls for the stack and pop trinkets lol
restive pivot
How did you even let a rogue make the calls?
In my dimension its high treason.
A rogue is only entitled to shroud, trick, sap and blind in my territory.
broken roost
You know him well
sick sentinel
It makes things go faster
primal crypt
Kek
broken roost
He's finally back, to kick some tail
crimson river
Yo guys
Just started up my prot warrior, and I can't see any haste cap, do we not have any?
Feel like I've too much haste
thorny laurel
How much haste do you have?
crimson river
Nvm
primal crypt
He must have like 80% haste
crimson river
Just looked the the guides resources FAQ
primal crypt
To feel like he has too much
crimson river
Okay
primal crypt
I wish I had that much haste :/
crimson river
I got another question for you guys then
primal crypt
Feelsbadman
crimson river
How much ilvl is gem worth on shield and one hand?
sand egret
the formula for determining your haste cap is to look at your haste, add +1 and try to get that much. repeat above.
strong hill
@sand egret I like your math
sand egret
im my own pawn
floral tinsel
@crimson river Going to quote @steady dragon (with some modification for clarity) for this one:
"Armor socket > 5 ilvl. Ring socket > 10 ilvl.
1st copy of Deafening Crash Azerite trait > 15 ilvl.
Shield or Weapon ilvl > socket and tertiary stats"
sage spindle
jes howler is a str trinket right?
floral tinsel
str or agi i think
sage spindle
cause if its a agi, outlaw rogue would fucking want that
floral tinsel
But its defnetly str
floral tinsel
^^
sage spindle
but on use/stat proc is pretty strict
something i forgot about TD
i hate that dungeon
the 3rd boss is a bitch to do on tyrannical
time to open weekly cache bois
floral tinsel
tank her in a corner and zerg
sage spindle
even in tyrannical?
floral tinsel
healer can occationally move a barrel
That's what our group does... it sort of works 90% of the time every time
crimson river
Cheers James Bond
floral tinsel
π
daring marlin
belt meh
sand egret
wat
vocal skiff
I have a 355 blockades, 385 jes howler and 410 butcher's block
Should I ditch blockades for the 410 butcher?
daring marlin
oh you mean the trinket?
vocal skiff
Yes
vocal skiff
Does that crit proc often then
red sun
is Blood Rite any good? sure looks it
red sun
awesome
daring marlin
that wasn't at you @red sun
blood rite is super niche and I don't think it's that great
every other proc specific should be better
sage spindle
u can use it on both spec
daring marlin
sage spindle
fuck u
sage spindle
lol ok ok
im just salty
all my alts got upgrade this week
except my warrior
so im a bit salty
sage spindle
rub one off?
primal crypt
Womp womp
sage spindle
my outlaw rogue would want that
primal crypt
Could have been top tier
primal crypt
No :(
sage spindle
the thing is
sick sentinel
lol
sage spindle
what dps need vers?
daring marlin
I AIN'T TRYING TO STACK IT
primal crypt
I dont know lock stats
primal crypt
Ah
primal crypt
I only play my warrior at this point
sage spindle
yeah crit haste mastery are all good for destro lock
primal crypt
So im busy worrying about the dps stuff now
daring marlin
makes sense
sage spindle
i mean as destro, shine drop ur bis stuff right?
daring marlin
Shrine can eat my ass.
sick sentinel
DHs LOVE vers
primal crypt
Shrine is one of my favorite dungeons now
sick sentinel
@daring marlin hot
primal crypt
Only two dungeons giving my group trouble, KR and Siege
Only because the timers are so tight
daring marlin
siege is all fine and dandy until last boss it seems
for legit every group I'm in
I don't get it
primal crypt
Last boss of siege is no joke
sick sentinel
Shrine is trash, yeah
primal crypt
Kr is also another meh one because of time
sick sentinel
I personally don't like mother lode
daring marlin
ML is the one dungeon I hate this expac.
strong hill
Not the biggest fan of shrine
daring marlin
reminds me of the dungeon that shall not be named with the amount of trash
strange horizon
anyone know if we get Residuum from scrapping Engin goggles?
sick sentinel
@strange horizon no
strange horizon
dang ok
primal crypt
Motherloaf on teeming
sick sentinel
You get breaths back
primal crypt
Is a yikes
daring marlin
ye ah lol
sick sentinel
Anything that is not shrine and ml is fine
strong hill
Iβm starting to like freehold ,
sick sentinel
And with coordinated interrupts, ml becomes fine
Freehold is freeloot
It's amazing
slow nimbus
Howdy. New to warrior. Haven't played the class since BC. But I already have every other tank (except bear) at 120 and at least 380 geared. Leveling a moose cow warrior
primal crypt
@slow nimbus all the information you need for leveling and gearing as a starter is listed in the pinned messages
sick sentinel
And in #268491842637660160
primal crypt
It will help you learn how to play a prot warrior and tell you the basic ins and outs
potent anvil
The only bad part of ML, is the reaping you get after the first boss. Its like 80% tormented souls with hardly a decent LoS unless you go back into the first boss area. Or you stacked them beforehand.
sick sentinel
If you have any questions after you check those resources, ask here
primal crypt
Just reflect them
potent anvil
slow nimbus
Right now at lower levels it feels like spamming Devastate while fishing for procs
primal crypt
Pretty much
sick sentinel
I rarely ever press devastate
primal crypt
Thunder clap as much as possible and profit
south condor
Trade winds or callous reprisial?
primal crypt
I always press devastate
sick sentinel
@south condor Cr
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I devastate so much I use the leggo gloves
sick sentinel
Yeah, most of prot warrior's kit is in the talents
Before anger management(level 100 talent) the spec is just a shell
slow nimbus
It doesn't seem like it'll take long to get there. Dungeon spam with those XP pots and heirlooms
sick sentinel
@potent anvil my group was debating this other time if we should let jockeys go in mechs for more% or cc them for easier reaping... what's your opinion about this?
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We successfully skip all the things
Mechs are good to activate imo during tyrannical weeks
sick sentinel
I'd rather let them get in the mechs
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And also if you dont have rogues
If you get nechs
Mechs* you're going to chain pull
If they're not dead
They have soooo much hp
sick sentinel
Yeah, I'm chain pulling
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Yeah
potent anvil
Yeah I let all jockeys go. Its jockey % and mech %
I wouldnt tank more than 2 or 3 mechs in high fort though. Charged claw hurts. And you can only spell reflect one auto
potent anvil
analog swift
Always let jockeys go in. Easy % just donβt be bad. Motherlode actually had like the easiest reaping mechanics Iβve found. Pull every red mob at the beginning and you get reaping before the circular area.
Pull every add on the left and once you get the thugs you los reaping in the house.
Clear the rest of left boss with lust and a few packs on the right los reaping st the boss. Clear more shit on the right and do one pack past first boss los and reaping then death run for days
potent anvil
I think the play is to get 60% before first boss, 80% before 2nd. Youll end up with like 97% before death running twice and then the last % is after the last boss.
If you wanted to skip the last reaping wave.
red sun
410 shield π
stark sage
if you rotate blocks and not waste rage, you can facetank pretty much everything
sage spindle
Demon shouts and thunderclap? Only use revenge free proc?
dusk locust
learn what's blockable and what's reflectable - there's a spreadsheet in the faq
stark sage
tclap is stronk
sick sentinel
Save Avatar for reaping waves to make your DPSers sad
sage spindle
Rage priority on shield block and then ignore pain
old night
Mornin boys
sage spindle
?
dusk locust
generally yeah, unless you're up against straight magic damage
stark sage
on aoe you should have enough rage for both unless the damage is very high
sick sentinel
On big pulls you pretty much have free revenge all the time so you dump all the excess rage to IP
sage spindle
Do u gain rage when u get fucked in the face by mob?
Prot warrior is harder than prot pally
I feel that way...
vocal nimbus
sick sentinel
3rage/hit with 1 sec ICD I think
sage spindle
No when u get hit, is what im asking
sick sentinel
you get rage by attacking and by being attacked
but it's static, it doesn't scale with damage taken like in Legion
sage spindle
Oh ok
Yeah prot warrior is more about resources management
Which take me sometime to get use to
Prot pally was just face roll
acoustic thunder
Are you guys saving Residuum for specific pieces or rolling random? I currently have 400 Opulence Helm/415 Champions Chest w/ 385 Shoulders. Really tempted to roll some shoulders. Just curious how you guys viewed it.
clear quarry
385 Shoulders with 4 traits, or 415 shoulders with 2 traits?
385 has Iron Fortress / Deaf Crash / Blood Siphon / Gemhide
415 has BoM / Deaf Crash
sick sentinel
Does the engineering goggles clear grievous?
clear quarry
My concern is sacrificing BS / GH for 30 ilvl.
acoustic thunder
That's what I currently have.
All shoulders have DC from the vendor so I wouldn't be losing that trait.
analog swift
@potent anvil Iβm ussually at 55% before first boss then we have room to los the reaping. 76.04% before ragers. One pack reaping. Then pull everything and shroud the back to the second boss so all of your aoe cds are up. Lust here. Then double death run. If no shroud then skip a pack or two of the rocklancers
sick sentinel
Anyone know about the engineering goggles removing grievous through the auto self cauterizer trait?
clear quarry
Thank you very much, @vocal nimbus
wheat bronze
DID Fireblood removes Grievous as well
You instantly get a stack back if you're still in combat, though
ember crest
gonna put this in the right place this time, got a 410 rezans today bois, not sure what i should run for raids, got a 400 diamond + rezans? also have a 400 vial, 415 alchemist in the wings
wheat bronze
but at least you can reset your stacks
ember crest
as ally, other than dark iron / NE what would you even play for prot gainz?
sick sentinel
hey guys, thoughts about if Protwarrior can get nerfed?
unborn island
Dwarf Master Reace
sick sentinel
seeing as majority of high m+ keys are done with warrior
unborn island
it will almost certainly get nerfed
warriors aren't allowed nice things
Blood DK can be the only M+ tank for a whole expansion and first patch of the next before nerfs, Warrior will get nerfed immediately
sick sentinel
well that's just not true
they were nerfed
in 8.1
410 weap vs 400 socketed weap, same secondaries. Thoughts? Currently have 40Str socketed
unborn island
yes they were
but for the whole of legion
and until 8.1 (first whole patch of BFA) they were the massively dominant M+ tank
slow nimbus
Blizzard flat out said during legion they didn't care enough to balance around m+ . It was only recently their stance on that changed
potent anvil
@analog swift there are multiple ways to approach it for sure. The most common way I see at the higher lvl is like 95-97% before going to the last boss just so you can skip the last reaping with 2 mobs and like 4 mines or w/e. Which usually ends up being 3 reapings worth of % before first, 4th reaping before 2nd and you end up with like 88-92% depending on what extra you pulled.
slow nimbus
I'm leveling a prot warrior because I'm sad about vengeance and protect warrior in it's current state more or less plays how vengeance feels like it should
And if it gets nerfed I still have my brew main
potent anvil
You can easily hit 60% before touching the first boss too. I normally just kill the dance party pack and then 3 mechs and that's first reaping.
potent anvil
Hmm, depending on how you stacked your reaping there's not much to LoS. I guess that also depends on where you proc your reaping too.
The only dangerous reaping is the 80% one which is typically the earthshaper pulls, but you can stack those so you don't have to LoS.
sick sentinel
@potent anvil thoughts about nerfs MAYBE happening to warrior?
or no nerfs possible?
tepid dagger
Only possible nerf I can think of would be thunderclap damage to non primary target. Rest sis fine
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quartz pond
aoe dmg nerf will happen
strong hill
Are warriors near the top for mythic raiding ? If so then ya we will get a nerf
potent anvil
Probably not anytime soon, otherwise they would have done so already considering how close MDI is now. But who knows if Blizz actually cares about balancing around dungeon content π€·
quartz pond
just like it did in legion
sick sentinel
method used one on Jaina
strong hill
@sick sentinel were boned then
trail whale
just for you tank i'm gonna look into blizzards upcoming change log
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Dungeon balancing lul
trail whale
we're fucked. reroll vengeance dh
sick sentinel
haha very funny joke
tepid dagger
They just happened to include a lot of physical attacks this raid which are blockable
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Worried about nerfs why
tepid dagger
Who cares about nerfs, warriors have always been amazing
tepid dagger
Eww monk. I hate stagger
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Just keep following fotm and you're good to go
sick sentinel
@tepid dagger 8.0, 7.1 beg to differ
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You mean 3 DC 3 BoM
tepid dagger
They weren't horrible, just underrepresented
sick sentinel
they were horrible
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Or 3 BoM 1 DC 2 BFI
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why would you want 2 Callous
trail whale
ah yes the huge defensive buffs warriors got in 8.1 changed everything
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.. .....
last mason
also what you guy take between heed, unstable flames, and ablative
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Not callous
sick sentinel
@trail whale can you not be toxic
quartz pond
trail whale
saying something is horrible when you don't even know what changed
is just funny to me
quartz pond
π€¦
sick sentinel
π
narrow nest
guys, 3 x brace for impact vs. 2 x brace for impact and 1 x bastion of might?
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You want to try and get 3 BoM
narrow nest
k π
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The raid priority is there as well
In the notes
But people are running their best gear at this point since azerite gear is still a bit sparse
ember crest
Brace is at top of the other list, just wanted to mention
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Once you have enough pieces to choose from is when it'll matter
ember crest
in that guys case though id still recommend the BoM over 3 braces, rather be balanced a bit
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Yup, bom is very good regardless
sand egret
the subtext is that BoM scales better the more you are hit with blockable damage (via Crit Blocks), which is more prevalent in M+ @ember crest . Still applies to raids, just not as impactful (but ultimately encounter dependent anyway)
but Yam, is Prot viable yet?
sand egret
damn, glad we ggot those 24% party buffs in 8.1
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XD
sand egret
after getting a shield last week....i'm really scared to look at my cache this week
it's gonna be bracers, i know it
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Or cloak
sand egret
ewwww
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Screw jes
sand egret
if i got a jes
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I dont want jes
sand egret
i'd just B-Line it to the scrapper
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Kek
sand egret
as a reminder to never use it
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Im using the 400 socket one right now
sand egret
F
ember crest
die, never even seen the item in game
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Because my rogues want more vers
sand egret
i wish I never saw this item
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They made my holy pally wear hers too
sand egret
actually the worst haha
sand egret
oof
sand egret
such a very rogue thing to do
sand egret
half the skill in rogue dps is getting your party to help you pad
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When you have an outlaw and ass rogue both pushing 100k+
It makes 17s feel like 10s lmao
sand egret
shocking, damage makes things easier π
vocal flame
my game got corrupted and i lost all my addon info, anyone know where the ignore pain weak aura went? used to be on the pinned messages
sand egret
but not gonna lie, i definitely giggled reading "ass rogue"
just imagining Sir Mix A Lot but in a Bloodfang get-up rapping in Stealth while pick-pocketing some NPC
sand egret
@vocal flame check the weakaura's channel #ui-addons-manager
there saved ya the trouble π
vocal flame
great thanks bladesong!
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People say outlaw is the only way to go, but ass rogs hold their own
sand egret
when a mobs walks in with an itty bitty waist and that hitbox in yo face they get STUNNED
sand egret
π’ π΅ π
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Just now
sand egret
gotta get that brain pumpin like those rogues then π
seems like someone missed their yogurt coffee this morning
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Lmaoooooooooo
Demooooooooo
A good oneeeeeeeeeeeee
I have not run into any good demo locks
Zero
rare kelp
oblique garnet
they blast higher than any class
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Actually I havent run into any good locks in general
And I hate their bomb thing they do
DONT MOVE IM BOMBING
oblique garnet
idm that really when they do 50k st
sick sentinel
somone know the ingi br is working on m+?
oblique garnet
yes it works
sick sentinel
but it works 100% or it can fail XD?
oblique garnet
100% works on m+
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100%
sick sentinel
okay thx π
last mason
Do you guys always take the defensive traits in the third ring
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I personally have been these days
But then again, none of my pieces have good traits
Id rather run triple gutripper
Heed my call has been pretty underwhelming
tepid dagger
been using hekili as a reminder for when cd's are up. YOu guys use anything better?
brave mauve
I miss triple azerite veins
brave mauve
But triple was just π© π¦ π
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20%, no AV proc.....Thanks AV!
@tepid dagger personally I use weakauras
Hekili is a pretty awesome addon though
brave mauve
Same for weakauras
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Dont think it's great just for CD management
tepid dagger
been using hekili along with the IP and SB WA
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If you already have WA
tepid dagger
shield block one lets me know when shield blocks/last stand fall off and hekili tracks avatar, trinket, demo shout
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Might as well get better CD trackers
tepid dagger
WHich one do you use, some pretty in depth wa's on wago
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Their icons are squished
old night
khakhan's prot warr
quartz pond
khakhan has BFA auras now?
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Takes forever to update
I dont think he plays much anymore
Or just doesnt update often
daring marlin
hey yamo remind me to get coins
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@daring marlin get coins
daring marlin
I forgot when I killed mythic champ last week
old night
I combine that with Marok's Deafen tracker
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Get coins @daring marlin
oblique garnet
Idk where you would need the deafen tracker tho
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Yeah, dc tracker is meh
old night
it helps me
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No one
daring marlin
you're an orc already
old night
im a dark iron
daring marlin
β€
oh right, you were just turned into a maghar like me
rip
you know what feels bad? going from fireblood to that garbage they have
oblique garnet
lul alliance
old night
and before that I was a regular dwarf
oblique garnet
EU>Na
daring marlin
well film
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Yeah, @oblique garnet it happened when I drank too much
daring marlin
dark iron is clearly the best race in the game
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I got stuck while I was playing drunk
As a highmountain
I raged and race changed goblin
Found out in the morning....
old night
Late's t he type of dude to wear cargo shorts in 5 degree weather and say "nah its not cold out"
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I do that too
daring marlin
idgaf
oblique garnet
is that celcius or freedom units?
old night
freedom
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FREEDOM UNITS
old night
but anyway
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LMAO
old night
i use the DC tracker
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to track DC
oblique garnet
oh its only -15
sick sentinel
Is lingering sporepods any good?
old night
yeah when I pop Demo it's only going to extend 3 times
daring marlin
I'm just saying
oblique garnet
no
old night
after that I can prioritize shield slam and free revenge over TC
it helps me track how many TCs have gone out since the Demo
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Lingering sporedbods is only good when its like 50 ilvl higher than your previous trinket
old night
I find it useful
daring marlin
I suppose I see what you're saying
sick sentinel
I just got a 405 one and itβs a huge upgrade. I had a fathoms and a 345 rezans
daring marlin
outside avatar anyway
old night
yeah thats the purpose of it
oblique garnet
yeah then its worth to upgrade it tobit
old night
nah its useful anytime during a demo
daring marlin
we know you're horde
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I dont understand it
daring marlin
it's ok yamo
chilly brook
When you wake up 20 minutes earlier than your alarm was supposed to wake you up because your mom called you to tell you happy birthday π
old night
thats sweet
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Congrats you're old
old night
APPRECIATE YO MOM
chilly brook
Truth
old night
how old are you
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Boomer
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....
old night
happy bday griff
chilly brook
Thanks
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Griff
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You're a big boy now
stoic summit
is this even remotely decent for m+? I have 385 knot of ancient fury that would be replaced
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@stoic summit F
stoic summit
thought so, damn
daring marlin
btw film your jaina kill looked a lot like my guild's lol
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Especially over a knot
daring marlin
last night
old night
it was dope
old night
we got aotc and jadefire in a night
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Grats @old night