more than 1 just add more damage
#protection
sick sentinel
tender phoenix
ah ok thanks 😃
dim blaze
Need trinket advice - M+ focus - 400 rezan, 400 block, 400 vial, 405 RAGE
warm plinth
Rezan+Vial imo
dim blaze
Cool just got vial was hoping it’d be an upgrade
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, they're all great trinkets. But having the haste proc from Rezan and the juicy str boost from vial will make Avatars gigantic. I don't care for RAGE in M+ because of the ramp-up time; it's still a very good trinket. Block is as well, just 2 procs is anti-climactic to me 😂
lusty grotto
rage?
grong trinket you mean?
@dim blaze Grong trinket is NERFED for prot
its not the same damage as arms or fury
its lower
lusty grotto
oh
what the shit lol
but why
there's another trinket called Grong's primal rage
why not just call it engine lol
warm plinth
Eh, the buff is called R.A.G.E. Just one of those things, like people calling Deadmines and Dire Maul DM in vanilla lol
lusty grotto
yeah
blizzard needs to get their abbreviations together, too much shit with the same letters
warm plinth
XD
I remember people used to call Deadmines VC for Van Cleef or whatever to avoid confusion
steel mauve
too be fair grongs primal rage is called grong trinket, so rage trinket can easily be mekka's since thats its acronym
or at least ive only ever seen it called grong trinket, so that could be its clarification
daring marlin
@lusty grotto they changed it
grong trinket is same as arms and fury for prot now
and then some cuz of ITF
dim blaze
Hah sorry for confusion
warm plinth
Yeah, prot was the only tank it was nerfed for in the first place, and it was fixed/undone/whatever
warm plinth
I've heard it's pretty good on ST. Deswind said it was fairly decent on 4-6 targets but got worse past that.
Though I'm not sure if that was after they unnerfed it for prot or not
oblique garnet
anyone else randomly dcing?
lusty grotto
not here
steel mauve
the only gem ive gotten has been food gem
dim blaze
I finally got 2 helms
Was ready for my 2 gems/day
Shared cooldown 😭
Can probably take the “finally” out of that first sentence bc it’s been like a week and a half but anyways was looking forward to multiple gems
lusty grotto
yikes
astral crystal
i got the 400 stat gem once, was pretty cool
dim blaze
I feel like race changing to Tauren, but I hate the look of tauren. Really miss war stomp though and the extra Stan
Stam
BE racial is kinda wasted
empty dock
A couple questions, if you guys don't mind.
- I've read that on Champions of Light we can use Spell Reflect to drop the Sacred Blade stacks. I tried this last night and couldn't seem to get the desired result. Is there something special I have to do to pull this off?
- On Grong, I was dying a lot to the throw. I was trying both Demo Shout and Ignore pain prior to me taunting the boss in anticipation of being thrown. Do you guys who raid have an approach to this that is pretty dependable for this?
Thanks!
steel mauve
play what looks good, the races dont matter a huge amount outside of necrotic week
astral crystal
@empty dock i've been able to drop it spell reflecting before she casts prayer for the fallen
steel mauve
the stack on champion stacks like every 7 seconds
so count to like 3-4 and use spell reflect after it restacks, if not counting to more
empty dock
@steel mauve thanks! I'll be sure to look for that.
astral crystal
also for grong, just make sure you go out with full IP if possible, demo should be fine as well
if you die it's possible youre just not being healed
person being thrown does need some heals
i save shield wall for when im being thrown with double bite
steel mauve
you can either A) spell reflect the cast for throw and take 0 dmg during the 5 seconds, or B) spell reflect in air ( as long as your players arent dumb dumbs and run as far as possible) and reduce the 150k damage from that
astral crystal
or just call for a bop there
steel mauve
you're stunned for like the first 1 second in air being thrown so its a small window in air to use sp[ell reflect
empty dock
Yeah, we were using externals on me during that mechanic. I'm just looking for more stuff I can do so I don't have to 100% on the healers.
astral crystal
it's a high dmg situation so it's not a huge deal to call for externals
and rotate your own cooldowns obviously
steel mauve
basically you're taking about 150k dmg during the 5 second stun that hes holding you, and then another 150k damage when you land from the throw, before reductions
empty dock
Maybe I will just let the healers know that I will use shield wall on the first taunt swap in anticipation of being thrown,
Then they can external me from there
Thanks guys!
oblique garnet
+14 FH LUL
abstract pelican
380 Rezans Eye vs 395 Briny Barnacle (for mythic+)
pastel siren
hey guys, how good is the waepon from waycrest?
daring marlin
poopoo
pastel siren
ok
ebon hound
Imagine KR wep being good
daring marlin
?
waxen cradle
Does the shadowmeld trick for reaping still work for NE's or did they change it ?
outer dew
did it yesterday
dim blaze
Realized that wowhead and icy veins differ on recommended build between rumbling earth and storm bolt for M+
Which do you guys prefer?
sick sentinel
If your group has no other aoe stun then rumbling earth is okay
lavish oracle
Stormbolt in my situations
dim blaze
I swapped to rumbling and really missed my storm bolt. Think I’ll swap back
lusty grotto
icy veins is our guide @dim blaze
its written by Marok
wowhead's guide is written by someone else
sharp dew
@empty dock just tuning in but have you talked to your guild about main tanking grong? No reason you shouldn’t be unless the other tank is a warrior as well
broken kite
anyone using bonded souls?
lusty grotto
not over protection traits @broken kite
empty dock
@sharp dew The other tank is a paladin and has been tanking for these guys for a few years. So there is a trust there. Where as I am on my second week w/ the guild and second week of raid tanking since Cata. So I am just rolling w/ it for now. "get along to go along." 😃
thin ore
brace for impact or iron fortress for defense?
lusty grotto
depends on the content
sharp dew
Ahh makes sense then. Do you tank grong at all or does he tank it the whole time then you just taunt during the combos?
lusty grotto
please read up next time 😉
sharp dew
@empty dock
thin ore
it's like 3rd and 4th for both
empty dock
I taunt for the combos
lusty grotto
one is higher than the other for each content type
thin ore
brace for impact tooltip says "may overlap"
aka stack?
but not extend duration?
like iron fur?
sharp dew
In the future(realistically right now if you could convince them) but it’s like fetid or any other pure melee tank boss, we’re gods on it so he should be taking the throws. Would save a lot of hps on the healers @empty dock
lusty grotto
depends on your Shield Slams of course
thin ore
you mean proc luck
lusty grotto
no
thin ore
duration is 9 secs but I feel like you cast shield slam more often than that
plucky crater
if you're casting shield slam less than once every 9 seconds it's because you're dead
empty dock
Thanks Mighty
thin ore
then why is iron fortress better in m+? because you block more stuff because trash mobs?
lusty grotto
because in M+ youre not SSing as much
warm plinth
Because you use SS less in AoE
thin ore
thats true
k thx guys
gemhide or impassive visage?^^
impassive visage for m+ I assume?
uneven mason
IV is more fun to get 99 healing parses 👍
lusty grotto
so like
im doing my first HC pug
and i've been following whatever @steel mauve said about resetting stacks
sharp dew
HC is different
lusty grotto
but on add phase, that fucker stacks way faster
sharp dew
Mythic you can reset easily, heroic not so much
sharp dew
Can have a dps taunt or time a SR+ leap away and run for it lmao
lusty grotto
yeah that's easy on anything other than add phase
i guess it should be manageable
during add phase, it doesn't go up for too much
sharp dew
Is the dps kind of low? If you can reset once that should be enough even with mediocre dps
sharp dew
Cuz with higher dps you don’t need to drop stacks like with guild we just kill it and stacks are fine
lusty grotto
yikes
sharp dew
Oof yeah that’s low
oblique garnet
This is the only real way to react to howler
lusty grotto
ok yeah i think i understand how to reest now
it helps if i have bounding talented yikes
i suppose add phase you just have to man up and take the hits
so basically you want one SR for one swing, and leap just before the next swing if no casts happen
steel mauve
or 3 tank it 😉
lusty grotto
heheh
steel mauve
or, if you're really feeling spicy
disorient yourself from the add cast
5 seconds of boss not attacking you
steel mauve
ours usually live when i need to do it
steel mauve
its last resort but it works
lusty grotto
welp im in another pug, hopefully i'll be add tank 😉
quiet sierra
No one uses the darmoon tank trinket right?
steel mauve
it's still good for a survival trinket until you get to trinkets near 380+
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto First boss or what? o.O
vocal elm
https://gyazo.com/b1b7f0e7a26de2b8812143e85fd2e8f3 Which 2? My gut is telling me the 405/410 with Haster Mastery.
nimble canopy
how to make enemy nameplates to change color if you lost threat
first time tanking
quiet kettle
depends on ur ui
and if ur using any nameplate addons
most addons/uis have options for this
oblique garnet
prot in 2v2 is disgusting
quiet kettle
most tanks are disgusting in 2s/3s if played right
prot warr and veng DH are walking CC machines
prot pally is utility extraordinaire
bdk is pretty much a fuck u to mages everywhere
or really any ranged
bears are anti-melee iirc
cant remember what makes brews annoying in pvp
lusty grotto
lol
just wiped 9 times to grong
i gotta say though
i like the tank mechanics
in the raid
dim blaze
What kind of dmg do you guys average in a M+ key?
dim blaze
Yeah overall run
fickle geyser
20-35k depending on dungeon
lusty grotto
yeah @oblique garnet first boss
got that chest asap 😃
now to keep running for shield and 2 hander 😦
oblique garnet
We have always ignored the tank swap mechanic on that boss by just zerging the boss
oblique garnet
@fickle geyser how do you end up with 35k overall ? Do you kill the last reaping in every dungeon or🤔
quiet kettle
have to wonder as well, as most groups try to skip the final reaping
oblique garnet
Most ive done this week is 27k and that was basically pulling double all the way through dungeon in freehold
fickle geyser
i think i had 35k in wm last week. just pulled like a idiot and 
fickle geyser
cant do that this week with explosive
quiet kettle
cant really do it next week either due to bolstering
primal crypt
next week definitely no
oblique garnet
You can
dim blaze
So 20+ is what I should be doing this week? I think I’m spending too much time single targeting down explosives
oblique garnet
If everything dies at the same time
quiet kettle
this week is more 15-20k at the high end
oblique garnet
@dim blaze well for example dungeons like kr and tol are generally lower
outer dew
if they don't mong orbs
you waste GCD's on orbs
vs clapping
esp when you gotta chain orbs
dim blaze
I’ve been in the 15 range for most of my dungeons this week, but I’ve been focusing a lot on the orbs
oblique garnet
The more you get used to playing prot the less you lose killing the orbs
fickle geyser
i´ve been between 20 and 25k, but we have good melees for orbs so dont really have to do much
oblique garnet
Ive been averaging 22k+ this week with 700-900k dmg on orbs
dim blaze
Yeah I’ve been messing up then hmmm
dim blaze
Are you using revenge on CD as well? I’m still getting used to tanking and think I play really defensively with my rage
oblique garnet
Honestly i dont think about the rotation at all so im really bad about giving tips on it
lusty grotto
why use revenge on cd
fickle geyser
why not
dim blaze
Just wondering how to pull those kinda of dmg numbers
quiet kettle
revenge offense vs defense is really a comfort dynamic
lusty grotto
i mean you can use it often especially if you have LS up
quiet kettle
how comfortable are u in ur survival at that moment
lusty grotto
but on cd... that's just bad rage management
unless if you're getting free revenges all the time
fickle geyser
on aoe u mostly are
quiet kettle
or ur not worried about needing rage for IP/SB
oblique garnet
Youre basically never rage starved in m+ so its not bad trying to maximize damage
fickle geyser
when u feel threatened just pop ip on top of sb
lusty grotto
what
fickle geyser
if not use revenge
oblique garnet
Assuming you have BoM
fickle geyser
yea we typed at the same time
oblique garnet
@dim blaze what traits are you using?
fickle geyser
i mean i push dmg if im not taking dmg
lusty grotto
i see
dim blaze
1123311
lusty grotto
traits, not talents
dim blaze
Oops
lusty grotto
hehe
dim blaze
3x BoM, 2x DC, 1 IF
quiet kettle
u dont need the double DC
oblique garnet
Yeah you need to be doing quite alot more damage with those
quiet kettle
but honestly ya, whenever ur rdy to pop avatar, pull bigger
dim blaze
Alternative to 2nd DC is dagger in back or Covenant
quiet kettle
covenant
oblique garnet
Yeah 2nd dc
quiet kettle
imo
oblique garnet
Dont go covenant
quiet kettle
i dont fall below 50 or even 20 often enough, mind u thats in part me and my healer are very comfortable together
dim blaze
Or I could go with a different piece that has IF/brace
oblique garnet
Not for m+
quiet kettle
IF/brace is def a better raid piece
warm plinth
I don't think traits are your problem; you have 3x BoM and solid other traits for AoE. Changing a single trait, or even 2 (from what you have), isn't going to be a 5k+ overall DPS increase. It's probably just how you're pulling when you have Avatar available, or not using Avatar enough.
quiet kettle
tldr; cooldown management
oblique garnet
Avatar on cd pretty much
fickle geyser
and use ur defensive cds to pull bigger for bigger numbers 😃
lusty grotto
remember avatar cd goes down with AM, no reason to hold it back
oblique garnet
I should probably use shieldwall more often but i never feel the need to use it even when im pulling big🤔
lusty grotto
except maybe just before a reap 😃
quiet kettle
depending on the reap
if its sumthing like a lot of grave souls (casters) u def want sumthing like LS available
oblique garnet
🤔
quiet kettle
grave bolts hit pretty hard
oblique garnet
Gotta stay los till they are grouped and then start blasting
warm plinth
Aren't grave bolts fixed 25% hp? Or am I mixing something up?
lusty grotto
the whole LoS group thing fails when people run off due to that stupid bullshit on the ground
oblique garnet
Once its done move back to the spot
lusty grotto
i especially cry when the stupid boomkin is the one that goes on LoS and doesn't sunbeam for anything
fickle geyser
pugs in 2019 🤔
oblique garnet
Also when people are lossing in the beginning of the reaping most of the casters are grouped up together so you can just bring the unit to them
lusty grotto
yeah that's usually my go-to
oblique garnet
And then you have shrine
oblique garnet
I should get back to pushing keys ive been sittingnat 1500 for a week now
oblique garnet
Yeah pretty much
quiet kettle
i actually tell my unit to not stun/interrupt right after the los
and i pop reflect for the first bolts
usually gives time to recover any missed cds like stuns too
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto im sitting at 407 on my warrior and i have absolutely nothing to do on it and im still slacking and not pushing keys like i should
quiet kettle
i honestly only log in for like a few m+ per week and raids
oblique garnet
Im just leveling and gearing up alts
I still need druid shaman and hunter at max lvl and then i have everything at max and geared pretty much🤔
oblique garnet
I have nothing else to do since we raid 3 times a week
quiet kettle
i just go play other games
oblique garnet
Apex legends seemed promising game but idk really
sick sentinel
When I got keystone master s1 and my group stopped until s2 I just played DOOM 2016
visual marsh
is too much haste a bad thing?
oblique garnet
No such thing as too much haste
quiet kettle
haste is the big boi of basically all warrs, regardless of spec
arms is crit/haste, fury is haste +crit/mast, and prot is basically haste/anything else
makes gearing really easy imo
visual marsh
Thank you!
outer dew
Nah, I'm becoming a crit/mastery monkey
echo granite
hello guys where i can find pawn profiles?
undone sun
You can't
steel mauve
no pawn profiles or stat weights for prot warriors
last mason
Merekthas fang is trash for prot also right
steel mauve
ya
true plover
405 Feather w/ socket , 395 Vial, 400 alc stone. Which 2 for M+ when not worried about surv?
ivory swallow
Vial ez huge blast dps
true plover
I'm thinking Feather/Vial for dps and Feather/Diamond for surv.
quiet kettle
the almanac is a great alternative to feather too imo
warm plinth
Virtually impossible to get a good ilevel of it though
sick sentinel
question on Champions of Light - how do you drop stacks through kiting? Seems like debuff is too long
fierce juniper
Wait for wave of light cast to start, leap out, run away, cast spell reflection before the boss reaches you
should be able to reset that way
ember crest
can do same on prayer of the fallen cast as well
SR just before cast ends and it should reset
dark lark
thoughts on endless hunger trait?
either that or deafening crash x2 :X
which is just for extra damage i know
mainly doing M+
sick sentinel
Why rumbling earth over storm bolt for mythic+?
I used to use it but felt storm bolt has more uses and adds a 2nd longer stun
undone sun
It's more situational than anything, CDR on shockwave isn't bad
sick sentinel
Does it make for better threat or something? Feels bad if you miss 3 targets and gotta wait full 40s
undone sun
It does not
I mean it could help if there are threat problems to help regain agro so melee don't die, but that's not just a tanks problem
sick sentinel
@empty dock if you use spell reflect right before he grabs you, you take no damage while he is holding you and you only take the throw damage
honest canopy
Thinking about racechange my Alliance Warrior
I am Nelf Female for the Night Warrior looks/taints.
But idk, feels a bit daft
quiet kettle
imo draenei fem is best alli xmog
undone sun
Taints huh.... 
honest canopy
Yaya, or whatever its called
undone sun
Night elf and dwarf are really good for necrotic
quiet kettle
even if i bash on basically everything alli for xmog (except fem drae and male dwarf) dwarf has good racials
honestly, i'd go dark iron dwarf
quiet kettle
rumbling earth is definately better this season
i'd only take storm bolt if ur comp needs the extra solo stun
sick sentinel
I used rumbling earth the whole expac :V
warm plinth
Just safer, especially if pugging 😬 Can't trust other people to stun all the time.
sick sentinel
Well I don't pug lol
warm plinth
Don't look at me; I'm not judging. I've been using it the whole time too haha.
I just like it better.
honest canopy
I like rumbling earth
Even tho, Stormbolt is excellent this season i think
The Deathbolt reapers is UGH
sick sentinel
IMAGINE ASKING FOR A GUARDIAN DRUID LUL
warm plinth
lol
sick sentinel
I think it's hard to underestimate power of any kind of stun, free beat time and stops things dead in tracks
Chain pull weeks, get final mob of trash to 20% bolt move to pull next pack
quiet kettle
@sick sentinel leather stacking group, thou druid does seem a bit odd when u have brews and veng as well
warm plinth
But then why is BDK on the list with guardian 🤔
quiet kettle
only thing i can think of the speedboost thing for death runs
sick sentinel
I haven't even seen a feral or bear druid outside of a few lfr guys 90% dks cuz ez mode
quiet kettle
well that and their still trying to keep it sumwhat up to date in case bear gets some love down the road
their not adverse to reworking specs mid-xpac
stray violet
Maybe they don’t have a brezz in the grp
sick sentinel
that actually makes sense
sand egret
imagine asking for a tank that has a utility you want 🤔
quiet kettle
its pugs
u take what u can get
ur core dps/heal group doesnt have a brez? better find one
outer dew
Release kultiran so I can meme as bear
warm plinth
Amen
plain lake
Looking for some Insight, these are my stats unbuffed (No into the fray or Shout on) Do I need to lay off the haste a little or should I try and keep it the same. I like to M+ tank but I mostly Raid
vocal nimbus
Ilvl over any secondary stat
Secondaries are so close to each other that the total amount of stats gained by an ilvl increase outweighs the haste or whatever secondary you want
Also, there arent any caps you have to stop at
stray violet
Does a socket outweigh the loss of 5 ilvl on boots
vocal nimbus
if i recall correctly yeah
honest canopy
@sick sentinel we have a 404 Feral in guild
Hes toppning dps in m+ on certain affixes
But again. The best Feral in The world Will prob do more dps then The averake DH etc etc
(not saying ours is, just that players matter)
quiet kettle
feral is fine in m+ cause they can regen their energy between pulls
but over the course of long fights they fall hard
idle cape
Is this trinket any good?
sick sentinel
@idle cape bis
merry cave
415 engi goggles traits make me sad 😦
runic fractal
bloodrite or bloodsport?
livid moat
Why is justwait using one strength gem in his hear ?
I thought that you generally need only haste ones
bold zinc
inner cairn
Strength does increase parry stat I believe @livid moat Or some other stat I can't remember off the top of my head
mellow bridge
410 Ritual Bandages 400 Rezans 400 Opulence trinket with gem 400 mek trinket
which two should I use for M+ and Raid? I guess not bandages but idk about the others
I think Rezans and Opulence trinket?
marble cipher
I'd go rezan + opulence
bold marten
Hey guys quick question: how do you deal with the new season affix? Thunderclap, Avatar, Block or Def CD or do you start with def cd/shieldblock avatar and then thunderclap + shout
I just want to know what is more important^^ Defense or DPS for aggro^^
spare estuary
just came back from a long long break i see prots in a good spot now ?
uneven mason
We're certianly doing better in the community's perception
uneven mason
I mean, if you were good with prot before 8.1, nothing really changed
But now we have memeLord Sco's seal of approval, so everyone is like 👏 prot must have been massively buffed!!!
sturdy sable
didnt he test prot with idom?
uneven mason
Well to be fair
spare estuary
i see i didnt really play prot at the start of bfa
uneven mason
our talents were complete crap back then lol
sturdy sable
lol
uneven mason
they didn't get us fixed until just before release
"fixed"
but yeah in 8.0 it wasn't that Prot was horrible, it was that we were horrible compared to the othe tanks
dim blaze
I was watching glickz last night and his everchill anchor was doing 5%+ of his overall damage (a bit north of 1K dps). Seems like best option for dps oriented trinket?
rapid tide
For m+ it's pretty insane, ay
daring marlin
Sounds like I need to get me one of them anchors.
rapid tide
Definitely worth to go fury loot on jaina
potent anvil
Everchill is a strong aoe trinket for warriors in general. I liked it on ptr as prot.
red sun
can overwhelming power stack?
red sun
awesome thanks
tacit onyx
ignore pain can stack right? sorry for noob question i dont play prot much
rapid tide
It can stack up to 1.3x original value
tacit onyx
ah, so pressing it back to back is pretty bad, thank you
rapid tide
There is a good WA to track whether it's worth stacking in #268491842637660160
rapid tide
Ye at 60-80k damage taken per second it's worth using back to back
But Generally not :D
broken moon
@sick sentinel i run with a DH friend most of the time and he’s got mongo dps, i chain pull too so if i haven’t gotten avatar back up via anger management it helps having shockwave off cooldown to stun adds to get Aggro off him or anyone else. It’s off CD fairly quickly and i almost never hit less than 3 targets so i personally like it better over stormbolt
waxen talon
just curious
is it normal that tanks swap add/boss in the middle of the fight on champion?
dim blaze
Hey @broken moon I run with DH friend too how do you handle your opener? Does your DH friend open right off the rip with eye beam? Feels like I’m always having to blow cds taunting and slamming single adds to get them back vs just TC/revenge AOE.
sand egret
you should always be opening with Avatar > TClap
dim blaze
Even then if he pops eye beam at the same time as I TC he will end up with threat on some
sand egret
cast avatar and charge together then TClap immediately
well the 2nd clap covers that 😃
dim blaze
Ah ok I’ve been interrupting my rotation to single target then back rather than just TC,revenge,TC
broken moon
And pump your anger into SB/IP
It’s always avatar/dshout-dshout-avatar/dshout
Use dshout to generate more rage and spend it
mystic fog
Hey guys! Is there any fast way to get prot hidden artefact skin? or its still only in cave with emote event?
grand coral
yo guys. is it possible to sim tank with max Into the Frey stacks? or is simcraft already considering it beeing full stacked?
waxen talon
it usually sims that kind of thigns with most optimal scenario always
like if u sim the stand away from others and get stacks of crit, it has in mind u got 100% uptime.
thin ore
anyone tried using hekili as prot warrior?
so I installed it and see how it differs from what I press, cause I am still nup
sick sentinel
Why though
thin ore
and one thing caught me eye
in situations where ip is running and sb is not running it suggests to refresh ip
where I would always press sb
sick sentinel
Rotation helpers are ass except for like dhs and and rets
thin ore
am I missing something or is it bugged
sick sentinel
Yes it's wrong
thin ore
as far as I can tell, the rest is ok thou
it also doesn't seem to take thunderclap prio into account with defeaning crash
but it also suggests unprocced revenge when I would press devastate
should I use unproced revenge more often?
I mean it spents rage to reduce cds
sick sentinel
Still, you play different spells depending on how many enemies are in front of you, how much damage you are expecting to take and everything
Dude
Uninstall the addon
rapid tide
Hekili is...
I mean even for a rotation helper it's rather trash
If you want one (and you don't) look at HeroRotation
Aethys at least knows his shit 👌
sick sentinel
If you want a rotation helper at the current state of the game you are really bad at the game and you will stay like that
If you want to get better, play without it
rapid tide
Basically
sick sentinel
And read up on the guides
rapid tide
It might help you as a bad player to not look that bad
But you will always stay bad that way
sick sentinel
The rotations currently are generally mindless
It takes you like 30 mins to learn any spec to an acceptable level
bold bluff
hi guys, im new to warrior tank, do you guys know what the math behind my block amount
sick sentinel
Block % or block chance?
bold bluff
block%
sick sentinel
Well it's based on the block stat from your shield's ilvl and traits that give block and against higher level enemies you block less
There were the math somewhere when the new raid released
Not sure if I can find them
thin ore
is the block value that important that 5 ilvl on shield is better than a socket?
sick sentinel
Yes
bold bluff
k ty, np your explanation was enough
lavish oracle
Iirc, the math for block is the same as armor: Block% = (Block / Block + K)*100
Where K is some arbitrary blizzard determined value depending on the content
But don't quote me on that
undone sun
Bit complicated, though warrior has 100% block chance with SB up and whatever your mastery ix, is your block chance without Sb up, block value is more important for warrior than chance is for a paladin
lavish oracle
Oh, here ya go @bold bluff http://blog.askmrrobot.com/diminishing-returns-other-bfa-tank-formulas/
tawny sphinx
So funny to watch these previously bdk’s playing high keys. Stacking last stand and shield wall. Making prot warri into bdk and start kiting like one :3
mental scarab
Link video so we can laugh🤔
tawny sphinx
Just see some of the top streamers who have been switching from bdk to warri and u see
sick sentinel
kiting is a dps loss
silk mortar
Dying is more of a dps loss sadly
silk mortar
Magic and ridiculous bleeds
daring marlin
near furnace
bonded souls any good for prot?
astral crystal
it's a cool trait in concept but not as good as the spec specific ones
anyone know if you need to have legionbreaker on when unlocking the heroic kj skin for it?
near furnace
thanks
undone vale
honest canopy
Friends
Going hc reclear
Saved up to rasta
Bonusroll coinboss plus jaina, or mekka and jaina?
undone sun
Correct, @undone vale as is the norm for most stacking traits
daring marlin
alch stone is amazing
daring marlin
remember to carry pots with you too to make even more use of it 😃
covert saffron
Hello everyone! I am struggling with my stats right now. My stat % is currently 17 Crit/16 Has/24 Mast/5 Vers. I seem to be doing fine with pure physical dmg mitigation but when I get into magic and such I can get hit real hard. Is there a point where I should be switching my haste gems/enchants to vers to provide a more leveled dmg profile? Prot Warrior Bamboogazer-Bloodhoof. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
daring marlin
Always gem/enchant haste
ignore secondaries for the most part. Ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>haste->everything else basically
also magic fucks everybody the same except DK to a lesser extent
fickle geode
If you have to use the engi helm, what are the best M+ traits?
analog swift
deafening crash
and barrage
according to sims
but i've thought about fucking around with the gizmo for that haste
fickle geode
I've used the bombs and tbh I dont like them, that requires the mobs to always be there, seems to on average be like 2-4% of my damage from that trait
overall
not sure how good that really is
analog swift
that's super good
fickle geode
was also thinking about using the synaptic for 5% damage reduction too
analog swift
yeah it sims for less
yeah i could see the gizmo giving me way more
generally get around 2-4% of my damage from the bombs
sick sentinel
gismo is massive
analog swift
plus i assume it would be just as good in ST
neat lagoon
better to get 2 bloodsports or 2 fortress?
sick sentinel
fortress
sick sentinel
Noice, I just got HC everchill anchor :>
lavish oracle
Fortress and Bloodsport are pretty close
Personal preference really, Fortress does a fair amount of damage in M+
dim blaze
Thanks for all your help guys I'm asking a lot of noob questions but I'm getting better! Just pulled 19K dps almost 2 chest an 11 WC. Would have been better but we got too close to a patrol during a big pull and wiped. Think I woulda done 20K without that wipe too.
Spent a lot more rage that run which meant my cooldowns were up soooo much faster due to AM
native bear
hows everychill for prot in mythic+? dmg wise
regal echo
i have a question i keep loosing agrro for some reason in M+ as a tank
potent anvil
what's the question?
regal echo
i dont know how i can lose agrro so easy
potent anvil
could be a gear issue, or dps being trigger happy. generally you can hold threat with thunderclap + revenge in your first few GCDs.
if you have trouble, you can do an early shockwave for damage control and try to pick up
fickle geode
Does ignore pain do any kind of pandemic timing or defensive stacking with it's HP absorbed at all? or does overlapping have any benefit
potent anvil
IP shield stacks up to 1.3x the amount. There's a weakaura done by Marok that indicates if you're close to capping.
fickle geode
Where would I find that? wago I take it?
potent anvil
Yeah, it's linked in the #268491842637660160
fickle geode
Ty ty
regal echo
@potent anvil can the problem be azerite lvl?
regal echo
mullti
single target i dont have any issues atm its on multi i cant keep agrro of everything
native bear
if its just one here and there
its probably because you dont do enough to that one
and they are focusing it with cd's
if its 3-4+ at once
you need to save demo shout for pulls or something
potent anvil
@regal echo Probably the dps being more geared and/or going ahead of you. Generally, you can charge -> thunderclap -> ss/revenge -> ss/revenge/devastate -> thunderclap. You can also tab-target shield slams/devastates
native bear
just to grab a lot of aggro at start
regal echo
my azarite lvl is 24 atm and i am playing with people that have higher and higher gear aswell
potent anvil
I would say its probably just an ilvl difference. Any tank will have trouble keeping aggro against dps if the ilvl gap is noticeable.
regal echo
my ilvl is 383 and there are like above 390
native bear
you are running UF, BV & AM right?
native bear
could run CT if mobs are spread
slim plaza
What is the ideal trait setup for m+? Crash x1, Bastion x3, Fortress x2? Getting my prot war alt geared up. Thanks!
potent anvil
Yeah pretty much that if you manage to get those traits.
blissful pebble
In terms of residuum spending I am currently about 3k saved I see in Marok's guide he advises waiting for a specific piece. Anyone got any greater insight into this logic as it seems to me that the 415 gambling option would give me a boost now and be quite unlikely not to pay off given the high mark up. Profile for reference: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/aerie-peak/Tankjoy
slim plaza
Thanks
regal echo
and what is the normal dps i should do as tank
potent anvil
Like on ST or overall in m+? Overall in m+ depends how much you pull and how often you facetank to stay in. Not sure on ST, if you follow the priority for dps'ing it should be sufficient enough I would imagine.
vocal skiff
That moment when you open up an emissary azerite cache and it's a piece with DC and BoM
Now I can swap back a 370 to the 400 I had
potent anvil
@blissful pebble look at what the vendor offers, weigh your chances at a decent upgrade over your current piece to decide whether or not gambling will be worth it for you. imo
warm plinth
@blissful pebble I think the initial logic is that if you're raiding, you probably have access to at least decent ilevel azerite pieces, so being able to specifically choose an upgrade and get the exact traits you want is a better idea than randomly rolling for one for a relatively marginal ilevel increase that may or may not have the traits you want.
warm hamlet
If i have an azerite piece already with deafening crash, and one with brace for impact, which of these two should i then use for my third azerite piece
south condor
Depends on the content but I would take Brace for Impact
sick sentinel
brace
warm hamlet
okay thanks
muted pecan
Does prot warrior only have one taunt?
vocal nimbus
yes
cloud prism
how does prot feel about the new alchemy trinket?
cosmic oasis
you can leap and taunt right away though
warm plinth
@cloud prism It's good, but the usual good prot trinkets are typically better than the alc trinket if you have them at similar ilevel.
normal trellis
Hey guys
I need advice on my trinket choices. I have:
400 Alchemist Stone
400 Rastakan Trinket
400 Rezan Eye
385 Knot
What Combo should I use for 1) Raid Progression and 2) M+?
open bluff
rezan's and knot
sick sentinel
Thunder clap with Avatar up can be considered as an AoE taunt
warm plinth
Yeah, probably rezan and knot for both scenarios.
normal trellis
And which is defensively better? Rastakan or Alchemist?
open bluff
alch stone has some use in m+ if you have a ton of health pots and no actual lock
but otherwise rezan's/knot for everything out of those trinkets
cloud prism
thanks, ghash. i normally tank on other classes, but we dont have a warrior at all for our raid team, so i just switched.
normal trellis
Alright, thanks a lot
sick sentinel
@muted pecan you can taunt, the HC leap in minimum range and retaunt again ( HC leap refreshes the CD)
warm plinth
Eh, I think Rastakhan trinket is too situational to compare to alc stone for defensive purposes. Bargain is essentially worthless if you never proc it (other than the str main stat), whereas the str proc from alc stone will provide a defensive benefit any time it procs by giving you a health/armor/IP boost.
sick sentinel
if you are playing well, the rastakan trinket is just a stat stick
open bluff
bwonsamdi's is only useful when you're figuring out your part of a fight
normal trellis
Thanks Ghash, didn’t even think about the missing effect if I don’t even die
open bluff
and is pretty garbage after that
cloud prism
im using the mekka trinket and sinister gladiators safeguard, 400 and 395 respectively
open bluff
(so you get about 10 pulls or so worth of use every fight)
warm plinth
Woah, woah. Gnomes, goblins, and dwarves are warriors too man.
sick sentinel
@ornate parcel this is not the place for that stuff, I would recommend you to join the discords that are dedicated for this
oblique garnet
Does grong enrage at 6 minutes in mythic?
sick sentinel
Yes late
ornate parcel
sick sentinel
And my grog kill was at 6m 5s
oblique garnet
we wiped at 1.1% :)))
sick sentinel
@ornate parcel on #148872210742771712 there is a link for the mplus friends discord, as there
@oblique garnet the balls alone should deal 30% of the bosses health
He enraged at 6%, we brought him to 5% and shot him with the ball
oblique garnet
yeah we didnt have a ball up at that point because 4 of our dps died to fire : )
warm plinth
That's the DPS's job, isn't it? We need a fight where you literally stand in every bad thing to kill the boss.
Then those folks would finally shien
shine*
sick sentinel
No they would stay out of the fire then
warm plinth
You're probably right 😦
Wait, that's hurting the boss? activates movement speed ability and runs away
muted pecan
@sick sentinel so if during grong the other tank gets thrown and your taunt (8sec) isnt available until that that tank lands for impact... will you be too late to taunt then (you need leap) or would it be fine to use taunt then
sick sentinel
I don't tank in raids, only in mplus but I suppose you will need to leap
Also
Why aren't you being thrown?
You can spell reflect the grab damage
And take half the damage the other tank would take
You can also leap into intercept on an ally to save the time the leap takes
If you only want the taunt reset
muted pecan
Why take half the damage? And what do you mean leap into intercept
warm plinth
Because you can spell reflect the grab damage; you won't get the DoT from it. Also I'm pretty sure Leap triggers the taunt reset on cast, not landing, so you should be able to pretty much Leap+Taunt.
He's just saying you can get to the ground faster after leaping by intercepting an ally
sick sentinel
If you leap and exactly after tou intercept somebody, you save time
sick sentinel
Charge
warm plinth
It's the warrior charge
sick sentinel
Protection warriors charge can target allies
And it is called spell reflect
Also about the grab
He first grabs you, you take a dot and then he throws you
If you use spell reflect before he grabs you
You don't take grab damage, only throw damage
Which is about 150k
muted pecan
Grab damage is only like 25k
sick sentinel
Per tick
steel mauve
about 150k total on mythic before DR's i think, which means you can completely negate that damage with spell reflect
warm plinth
Yeah it's like 33k per tick for 5 ticks I think
sick sentinel
If it was negligible then tanks would not get an external for every single grab
The spell reflect basically makes you healable without needing an external
So you can use them for the orb holder of the ranged add
steel mauve
that and the 100k you're about to take landing after the throw
muted pecan
I was pretty sure that grab doesnt do a dot, it just does 25k then the impact does another 150k. I will review the logs again
steel mauve
it does 33k every 1 second for 5 seconds while stunning you
sick sentinel
150k is like half a tank's health, not that much
warm plinth
Bestial Throw is a DoT. Bestial Impact is the impact.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fA3FDCwx8tVcG1rZ#fight=8&type=damage-taken&source=2
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZAd7WBX2TcVQPbNq#fight=8&type=damage-taken&source=23&translate=true
Notice the 2nd dude took 0 damage from Bestial Throw, only the impact. First guy didn't SR; second guy did.
steel mauve
fear comes right after you land for the throw, thats 150k + about 100k for the impact plus 65k for the fear
right in a row
errant oriole
hey all
stupid question.... do prot wars get a heal from ignore pain or something?
vocal nimbus
A shield
sick sentinel
It's an absorb but it shows in the hps
steel mauve
they absorb damage but it doesnt heal innately
polar cloak
prot wars still using haste on weapon enchant
steel mauve
yes
sick sentinel
Yes
errant oriole
yes
honest canopy
So now i am sittning on all The trinkets except The coinboss one
And a 410 with The crit procc
Well see tomorrow wich setup to use. Zz
thin ore
I will be tanking opulence for the first time tomorrow. Any pro tips? Do I need to cd for the tank hit in p2?
steel mauve
havent done mythic yet, but the heroic one i didnt cd for, didnt do much with block up
as long as you arent tanking with out the diamond shield
thin ore
on mythic?
hm
tanknotes.tk mentions that the coin sweep is blockable so I guess it is a non-issue.
teal kelp
So what is the optimal azerite trait setup?
thin ore
sick sentinel
@teal kelp #268491842637660160 
sick sentinel
Mostly a bitch
honest canopy
The struggle is real
honest canopy
Ah, was at my psrrents The other Day. My fathers 60th bd. Hanged out with The kids, had gucci good, enjoyed life in General
Sittning at The following: 390 Rezan, 410 Crusted block, 400 Bwosandi bargsin, 410 giga wolt, 395 Jesse howlin
Cant get around what i wanna use
sick sentinel
Block+rage
And farm AD
Also coin opulence
thoughts? better traits to pick?
i also have engineer goggles 390
warm plinth
Is that shimmering haven on two of them? I hate that trait
clear quarry
Anyone ever run honey potpie while tanking?
sick sentinel
it is shimmering yes
outer plume
Meticulous scheming for prot over a second deafening crash?
sick sentinel
last i knew DCx2/3 was a meme and you were bad if you did it
warm plinth
Not really. It is a meme, but that doesn't mean additional traits are bad.
I think comparisons like that will be so much easier when we have fully functional sims.
Obviously DC is purely a damage trait after the first trait though; scheming is both offensive and defensive. It's just really gimmicky to me at a glance; I haven't had experience with it though so idk how much it procs
It's about 1ppm I guess according to wowhead
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel your traits are fine except Azerite veins
so don't stack DC? i could x3 it
Nah
If you wanna do more damage you stack BoM
been having trouble completing anything over a 7 at 397 ilvl and it's driving me mad
I would suggest you take winds of war instead of Azerite veins
AV is only good in grievous weeks or when your healer is asleep
cedar frigate
Doesn't stack the extended duration.
undone sun
Better options, stacking maybe for meme levels of damage
teal kelp
also what about bastion of might? better for m+ but low priority for raid right?
sick sentinel
Bastion of might is amazing in mplus
Amazing damage and when you use avatar you become basically invincible to physical attacks
steel mauve
pretty much, BoM bis for m+ stacking 3 of them, but lowest priority for raids for prot specific traits
muted pecan
@warm plinth that first guy never used SR
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fA3FDCwx8tVcG1rZ#fight=8&type=casts&source=2
warm plinth
I know; that's what I said. The first guy didn't use it and took damage from Bestial Throw. The second guy did use it and did not take damage from Bestial Throw. I was just showing you the lack of Bestial Throw damage on the guy that did use reflect.
vocal quiver
Hey guys will be tanking rastkhan heroic tonight any particular tips?
steel mauve
within those 6 seconds the first guy took 230k damage just from the throw mechanic
muted pecan
mb thanks @warm plinth, do you know the timing required for that SR to reflect the throw dot?
steel mauve
could have avoided the healers needing to spend resources to cover 130k dmg in 5 seconds
warm plinth
Just have to have it up when he does the throw
steel mauve
during the cast
youve got like 2 seconds to do so
he does the same amount of abilities so you should be able to tell when the throw is happening i believe
muted pecan
If our strat is to have one tank take every 1st and 3rd combo ability as well as the throw while the other tank only takes the 2nd ability... do you think the warrior tank should take those abilities or the DK? the counterargument is that warrior is better against melees right
steel mauve
any thing you can block would be good, smash and throw
muted pecan
DK can AMS the impact
muted pecan
not sure if we should have the warrior get thrown and take the 1st and 3rd smash/rend or the DK
ya
brave mauve
Safeguard the thrown tank 😩 👌
thin ore
we killed him today with bdk and warri and walking back was np. just tell your dps not to go to the end of the room. it's not needed.
analog swift
hey guys subbing in to tank heroic jaina tonight
anything different that prot warrior can do?
thin ore
if you get blasted off the ship, you can charge back :D
analog swift
LOL perf
sage spindle
Hi guys, what outering trait do i want for tanking m+? Im thinking bloodsport and iron fortress
neat lagoon
Deafening Crash is always > Than yes both of those are good. Fortress is very good
steel mauve
BoM
sage spindle
Deafening is the one that extend the debuff time right?
neat lagoon
yes
of Demo shout, so you can have Demo shout on a trash pull basically the entire time from pull till they die lol
sage spindle
How
It only extend 2 s
Thunderclap is. 5s cd
If i were to stack, i would stack iron fortress over bloodsport right?
sage spindle
Im trying to think when would i need magic dmg mitigation
astral crystal
there's not all that many situations in raids right now
lucid bough
astral crystal
eh that's just if youre going to facetank things, more often than not you should have a coordinated group with interrupts/stuns etc
and there's plenty of los in td for example
neat lagoon
With enough haste and blowing rage gained asap, on a heroism pull I can you Demo Shout Back to Back. On trash mobs if I get a quick navigation proc or something, yes a group can easily kill the trash while Demo shout it on them or just falling off
steel mauve
DC extends demo shout by 2 seconds up to 6 extra seconds, you only need 1 of em, stack 3X BoM and then most likely IF or CR for M+
neon tangle
@sage spindle don't forget that for every other demo shout you'll have avatar
which lowers the CD on thunderclap to 3s
sage spindle
ohhh
neon tangle
(assuming you're running the right talents)
steel mauve
even then with out avatar you can still max out at 6 seconds with tclap
keen pivot
Hey, quick question, tanking Jaina, does block actually do anything with her?
timber nest
i actually gain 22 stats
cuz i can gem +40 haste
i lose 14 str, lose 6 crit, gain 2 mastery, gain 40 haste
warm plinth
You get 1056 total stats with the 410, 1051 with the 405+socket
Have to figure stamina for socket value as well
silent cobalt
I need some help with the H Opulence fight: after adds die and we're on Opulence, tanks(2) have diamond shield. When Tank A shield depletes, it has to break before Tank B should taunt. If the Tank A's shield DOESN'T break, then Tank B's shield doesn't work.
Is this correct?
hollow edge
timber nest
yah, only tank swap when the other tanks shield is gone @silent cobalt if its breaking early, they arent mitigating properly
steel mauve
it will only refill if it breaks, if you dont let your co tanks shield break then they will never get a completely new one
silent cobalt
@timber nest Can you please expand on "breaking early?" What is there to break early on?
steel mauve
its more so yours should be back up before theirs depoletes,
although idk about a dk or the like but shield tanks shouldnt break theirs until their co tanks is back
rapid wren
what wep enchant should i use as prot
steel mauve
quick nav
rapid wren
kk ty
silent cobalt
Will tank shields take damage before the diamond shield does?
round vortex
It's literally just taunt when diamond runs out. It's almost a non-issue to worry about tank deaths on that fight
I just call our to my other taunt to taunt once the shield is depleted. You can take a few hits without the shield as well. Blocking is super effective there. you won't get one shot
open bluff
Blocking is considered mitigation @silent cobalt so yes
Absorbs are calculated after armor and damage reduction (eg block)
silent cobalt
Thank you, this is super helpful info!!!
warm plinth
What does that have to do with Thunder Clap or warriors at all lol
honest canopy
Morning friends
warm plinth
👋
final mist
@mental scarab not the place for that
honest canopy
Anyone have a clue if its possible to hide AngryAssigments while there aint anything written?
The big red bar is qutie anoying
undone sun
click the lock
will still have the clickable AA space however big you had it scaled to, but the red bar is gone once locked in place
honest canopy
Thank you
I didnt think of the outgreyed lock as interactive -_-
One last question if someone might now, using the standard raid / party frames. Is there a way to get rid of the sizing border? With the small tabs. Make borderless frames was easy, but now i have this grey line around all the stuff
Got it, just had to lock. Sorry for spam 😃
warm plinth
You and your addon locking
honest canopy
Yaya
teal kelp
at what item level of trinket should we replace blockades?
inland mesa
if you're dying a lot, don't, if you aren't then any good trinket at 370 or higher probably
fringe marten
Blockades is just not super relevant any more, the raw hp just isn't quite doing what 370/385/400 trinkets do.
teal kelp
gotcha
i just swapped to prot warrior from my 405 boomkin for my guild
so still learning
currently i have a 370 Jes's Howler, 370 vial of Animated Blood, and Blockades
using Jes's Howler, and blockades
Also is there a general rule against double on use for tanking?
inland mesa
use vial, line up with avatar, win the game
teal kelp
i know its a bad thing for dps
inland mesa
it's annoying, but meh
teal kelp
Jes's howler more for survival?
fringe marten
Mattie, what is your shield at? and do you know why it's ilevel is very important?
teal kelp
block rating
its 380
block = like 3 times the block rating of your shield or something right?
fringe marten
k; not bad then. and you generally don't want double on use trinkets for tanks either.
That being said the basic framework to understand from basic to more advanced is; you only block in a wide cone in front of you..if you tank M+ or dungeons keep the swarm in front of you. Block parry and dodge are all remove from hits from your flank and rear.
Learn how to string mitigation together, don't blow everything at once..but generally you're using things like demo shout and last stand on cooldown 'usually'
after you have a solid hand on how not to over mitigate and leave too large a gaps in defense; lastly comes learning how to use spell reflect well. Generally it's a huge memorization game..I'm honestly surprised there isn't a reflect weak aura built.
final mist
Block rating is different than that. Block amount is taken using the enemy's K-value (which is different based on what difficulty you're facing); simple fact is, ilevel upgrades on shields are always better, no matter what.
fringe marten
I think he understands that block value IE shield ilevel is critical.
I believe your armor? filters the hit first..then shield block % is taken into account...then absorbs get hit. I honestly always forget the order of operations of damage taken.
But you get hit for a million damage. Your armor filters (at my current gear level) like 62%, depends on str buffs, so 600k is gone, 400k is left...your block value now reduces that remaining amount. my current shield is 410 and with just one iron fortress I think I go to 50 or 51% block reduction. so 400k is taken down to 200k...then ignore pain would kick in. This is against a level 120 opponent. Raid targets would penetrate more due to level.
floral tinsel
There is a weak aura for reflect
fringe marten
But you now understand why block is so powerful against damage it filters. which is..white melee hits, white ranged hits (including jainas ice shards) and a handful of raid mechanics.
One of those mechanics being the 'leap' from Roka the siegebreaker in king rastakhan fight.
He does meteor slam, people soak..he leaps back to you once. He applies 'crushed' amplifying the next leap by 500%....supposed to tank swap.
after his next meteor smash...he'll leap back to you. If you are FACING him where he leaps to you, and have shield block up (and for safety I pop shield wall) it does just a chunk of your hp in damage.
it's supposed to be like a million damage hit. But we can cheese it though pure mitigation...of course paladins and shit can cheat it too
My overall point here being; there's understanding the basic framework of warrior..then learning where all our class abilities actually become very powerful. and then you'll start seeing why warrior is a very good raid tank.
There's a weak aura with every current content spell that's reflectable...and warns you as such?
narrow abyss
In pins
fringe marten
oh nice ..already spent the time to memorize 'em but that's still cool.
warm plinth
It's not all spells technically; just boss abilities, but still very useful.
grizzled steeple
How are you guys using your Jes Howlins trinket? Purely as a defensive CD or varies?
warm plinth
Assuming you don't have another on-use trinket, probably on CD/with every other Avatar
dusky mica
defensive in raids, meaty clap damage in dungeons
modest wedge
Just use it on cd
grizzled steeple
using rezan / jes atm, 99% focused on m+
warm plinth
Use it with Avatar; should line up approximately with every other one.
grizzled steeple
Sounds like a plan, thanks 😃
teal kelp
Thanks for all the info @fringe marten much appreciated 😃
Also is it possible to heroic leap the meteor smash? I thought I read the somewhere
Like if you time it right you can avoid it all together
outer dew
Ayy
fringe marten
The meteor smash is the one needed to be soaked by multiple people; then he leaps BACK to you. it might be but you're risking a Brez and a tanks life on trying to time a leap perfectly..? you can literally just mitigate the hit.
teal kelp
That’s fair
outer dew
@oblique garnet ya boi back might be back to raid tanking
spiral badger
TC good for prot warriors?
sick sentinel
well it's a filler
terse dragon
Gotcha
north owl
hey, still dark iron dwarf best race for protect warrior ?
summer kestrel
Why it would be best
north owl
yes i'm alli
sick sentinel
imagine being alliance
craggy bay
Hey guys , question about opening rotation here I am not if i am understanding the guide correctly. Our opening rotation is Charge+Recklesness>Siegebreaker>bloodthirst>rampage? Right now it feels like i am wasting alot of uptime on the recklessness just getting enough rage ready to start Rampaging..
wrong zone lol sry
craggy bay
noticed XD
outer dew
And wrong orser
ionic fern
80/20 towards Warr atm