Just turn on your own logs yeah
#protection
signal plover
uneven mason
or going off of what details tells them
lusty grotto
lol i just auto turn on logs thanks toERT
modern brook
super disagree w/ not calling specific ppl out
lusty grotto
upload every single log of every run i do
modern brook
I didnt show up to my 3 hour raid to wipe 40 fucking times to 3 people not playing the game
lusty grotto
yeah
rapid tide
I mean.
modern brook
that said; huge difference between mage u incompetent fuck and hey can mage plz fucking purge the haste buff
rapid tide
How about turning up to hc progress only to have 4 healers, 2 tanks and 4 dps show up?
So you go 2-2-6 with 2 healers offspeccing to dps without any azerite
lusty grotto
yiikes
rapid tide
: - )
lusty grotto
well you can pug spots
modern brook
U either pug or dont run
sick sentinel
Join a better guild
modern brook
thats def the wrong call
if RL doesnt want to pug he needs to be more active w/ recruitment
rapid tide
I agree ๐
modern brook
if he doesnt wanna do that; join a more commited guild
rapid tide
Problem is finding one that can stick up with my weird schedule.
Raiding 4-8 on a friday.
modern brook
wtf is wrong with u ๐
lusty grotto
friday raids are a no for me dawg
modern brook
thats not tuesday thursday
rapid tide
๐
sick sentinel
Super weird lol
sick sentinel
Thursday Sunday here
lusty grotto
i can raid any day except FRI, SAT or MON
modern brook
๐ค
wary gyro
Yeah I have to be in a weekend raiding guild because I dont have time during the week
lusty grotto
those are sacred days of getting my drink on
rapid tide
I could make most raid schedules most of the time.
I guess
It's probably part me being a lazy fker.
Last tier I actually progressed mythic actively was Tomb ๐คท
wary gyro
I haven't done really serious prog since cata having to work sucks
lusty grotto
do you work during most raid hours?
rapid tide
I have super flexible work hours, work 6-14 on some days and 13-22 on others
Straight up annoying.
lusty grotto
oh
lusty grotto
yeah that sounds like my last job
wary gyro
I have to leave for work at about 7 and usually dont get home till 630-7 just doesnt leave enough time for what I want to do
rapid tide
I guess I could make a 2 day schedule that raids like 20-23 or sth
modern brook
My guild puts me on life support
they feed me mats and gold
and in return i show up
lusty grotto
my work day is around 8 to 7... i find plenty of time, so i'm curious
modern brook
:goldengod:
rapid tide
Might consider checking wowprogress again for a bit and see.
But then again I don't know if I even want to do low mythic progress.
And I have nothing to show to actually get a good spot anywhere so... :' )
lusty grotto
i only cook once a week though, rest i just uber eats or whatever
so i suppose that cuts into time
lusty grotto
yeah i'm just lazy
modern brook
๐
lusty grotto
tofu is master chef though
wary gyro
See I cook pretty much everything because I'm a cheapskate
lusty grotto
goddamn it, there are 4 Tofus
modern brook
cheepy the cheepskate
wary gyro
Rare
lusty grotto
honestly though, when job hunting i try to calculate commutes... a commute of more than 1 hour (or whatever benchmark you want to follow) is a no go for me. When you think about it, thats 2 hours per day you're losing to just traffic.
plus the gas cost
rapid tide
30 minutes is max for me tbh
wary gyro
I live in NYC currently I dont get to not have an awful commute
lusty grotto
ah!
rapid tide
And I prefer being able to take the bike or sth.
wary gyro
Planning to move in a few years but need to save up more for that
modern brook
lol saving in nyc
rapid tide
Saving up while living in nyc sounds awful.
lusty grotto
well hes working his ass off so i believe ๐
rapid tide
:' )
wary gyro
Theres a reason I have a 1.5-2 hour commute
rapid tide
uff ๐ฆ
modern brook
if ur really ๐บ๐ธ u dont even pay the back taxes
daring marlin
yuck
rapid tide
Can't even imagine having to commute that long.
I have 15 minutes atm or 30 with bike and it feels too long.
daring marlin
3 min commute for me
wary gyro
I make good enough money that saving is an actual option for me at least
slim pier
anyone here play priest?
ebon hound
Priests ๐ก
slim pier
I wanted to ask if Holy priests were okay in M+?
rapid tide
I think that's kinda the worng place here for priest questions ๐
ebon hound
As long as you unbind grip ๐ก
rapid tide
But Holy is historically not bad but Disc is generally just better.
When played well.
slim pier
cba getting into a priest discord and wait for 10 minutes to type something
modern brook
Prolly a better q for th epirest discord
but to put a #protection spin on the question
I think our prefered healers are mist and Resto for M+
rapid tide
As a prot war I prefer disco over holy all day everyday
daring marlin
Only issue holy may have is their lack of defensives for themselves.
rapid tide
๐
daring marlin
otherwise they're one of the strongest throughput healers in the game.
wary gyro
If your talking m+ disc for sure in raids nowadays holy is a god
slim pier
why?
sick sentinel
you've all seen the simulations there tuff, but ain't invincible
wary gyro
Yeah diluting grievous disc had a lot of issues
modern brook
Hard for them to maintain the 90% since they use absorbs more than other healers
a problem exasperated by our lack of self healing
DK prefers priest more than warriors; imo
slim pier
can't they use shadow mend?
modern brook
yeah but thats like saying "resto can use regrowth"
daring marlin
shadow mend is garbage
wary gyro
They can but that brings it's own set of issues
modern brook
shadow mend isnt a solution its a panic button
slim pier
why is it garbage?
modern brook
inefficient
again
all better q's for the priest discord; they can give u more info than us ๐ก toting ๐
slim pier
oh okay
lusty grotto
hmmm
wary gyro
Are any of the class discord "official"?
lusty grotto
there aren't any official discords
but if i had to pick, i'd pick focused will
i could be wrong though
wary gyro
Afaik all of them are community run things
vocal skiff
So what do you folks use to track your rage, if anything
modern brook
like uhh
slim pier
oh okay thanks
modern brook
the rage bar?
vocal skiff
Yes
modern brook
I use a rage bar
vocal skiff
So no special weakauras
modern brook
I'm not sure i get the question
vocal skiff
Or a rage bar addon
slim pier
you can use a weakauras if you want
vocal skiff
There are rage bar addons, and other arrangements
modern brook
I mean i use a bigger rage bar for wa's
but its just the rage bar ๐คท doesnt track anyhing special
just fatter and in a more convienient place near my CD trackers
vocal skiff
Yeah that was my question
sand egret
thereโs a bunch of popular stuff in the weakauras channel and pins.
vocal flame
I got Bwonsamdi's Bargain last night off the weeky. This trinket looks terrible. Is it worth keeping?
vocal flame
ugh thats what i thought, what a waste, thanks tho
anyone else finish the weekly yet? 3 of my other friends all got trinkets maybe its bugged or something or just really bad luck lol
wary gyro
I got a head
vocal flame
ok so just bad luck lol
abstract geyser
wary gyro
Yes
fierce grotto
what stats do u want
sick sentinel
ilvl beats everything
fierce grotto
i see
thin ore
reminds me of
lusty grotto
haha
daring marlin
could always not be an ass and tell them the answer then remind them of the pins
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
astral crystal
ebon hound
Answering the same question 12 times a day without getting paid ๐
daring marlin
seems like half the time nim says something it's just 
lucid bough
its not like
daring marlin
l u l
lucid bough
you need to answer at all
astral crystal
^
lusty grotto
hey @astral crystal
astral crystal
it's one thing to answer and be helpful, but another to answer with a catty attitude like it's expected of you
ebon hound
I know, I don't, but some do. And I understand their tilt
astral crystal
live your best lives, prot boys
lusty grotto
people wrote those guides, they are there for a reason
thin ore
on the paladin discord, they made two separate channels. one like this here and one for noob and intermediate questions. if you ask noob questions in the first one, you get hit as well as when you start trolling or being sarcastic in the noob channel, you get hit by mods too.
quite a good solution imho, but requires more moderation and yet another channel.
astral crystal
yeah i like that separation in the pally discord
lusty grotto
telling people to check the pins is educational cause then people would hop on the next discord and check the pins without getting instant information without 0 effort
lucid bough
mate I said this on legion
1 for discussion, other for questions. Most discords have.
But people just prefer pointing to pins every question
daring marlin
When the same effort could be put into a very simple answer. LOL
especially something as minor as hey what do I gem/enchant?
steel mauve
As it says in the general channel pins, its informative concise information in the pins and guides, not 10 different people giving 10 different versions of their perception of what is right or factual
lucid bough
oh man
ebon hound
But now they know the guide exist, and they might find answers to all their other questions they will inevitably have
lucid bough
factual 1 day its false another
start of EN tier there was a big discussion about stats and mastery value to arms
steel mauve
And really easy to answer questions should probably be checked in the pins or guides, because 100% of the type "what do i gem?" Or "what do i enchant?" Will be there
lucid bough
1 of the stormforged got mad and threaten me about ban for questioning the stats
lucid bough
2 weeks later big warriorsarri corrected the stats value and I was fucking right.
daring marlin
@uneven mason I was here. Just ignored this channel because all it was
was people crying
24/7
slim pier
Is Arms the only spec that has mastery like that?
uneven mason
It was mostly
lucid bough
I dont remember was on legion. We got a discord meltdown after big arms nerfs lol
uneven mason
"Why's prot bad" - "Prot isn't bad, U R!" x100
daring marlin
The former drowned out the latter.
signal plover
Idk bout that
It's been kinda circle jerky in here lately
Still overall very helpful channel tho
lusty grotto
viable
uneven mason
Folks get compliant when they don't have anything to complain about, back when prot was hurting was a bit more internal discussion on the class, now its only a few pointers on boss to boss tips people ask for
uneven mason
Its more specific advice on a mechanic that they're struggling with
like you can know the mechanics but "how do YA'LL PROFSHUNALS handle it"
daring marlin
tanknotes should be more than sufficient for anything they may need
uneven mason
Well then Guilford I guess you should be on your way then
daring marlin
Surely you understand the point I'm making here.
signal plover
Don't call him Shirley
uneven mason
Right which is why we tell folks literally - read the guides, then ask questions
then come back if you still don't know
daring marlin
Got it. Went right over your head.
signal plover
Spicy
astral crystal
daring marlin
Not surprised I suppose. Quick, post some completely random, pointless screenshot!
astral crystal
related
quartz pond
go shitpost elsewhere
daring marlin
muh 
signal plover
Can we have one day without some bruised egos lads?
daring marlin
mac seems upset
daring marlin
boomer mac
quartz pond
u should read the guide in the pins
uneven mason
rip
quartz pond
on how to call the cops
astral crystal
paw is spot on
signal plover
It's like this isn't even a safe spot for bearmemes anymore :*(
lusty grotto
BEARMEMES
wait
that reminds me
it's friday
what time is meme hour
i keep forgetting
quartz pond
it was a few hours ago
quartz pond
now u need ot wait for the mods to be asleep again
slim pier
are val'kyr mods?
quartz pond
ys
lusty grotto
silly goose, they are angels of death from odin
of course they are mods
i'm sorry ODYN
yikes i mixed gods there for a moment
nobody saw, i'm in the clear
quartz pond
daring marlin
lol nim
lusty grotto
after they read guides, answering questions regarding what's written there is โ
me like
astral crystal
sal is asleep = mods are asleep
lusty grotto
JTDUBS
quartz pond
if they can even point out what they are confused about yes
if they cant
go read guides again
lusty grotto
and like we've said this but other discords are way way way way worse in terms of directing people to pins
quartz pond
who cares about other discords
lusty grotto
"read pins you retard"
quartz pond
๐คท
quartz pond
we all know stuff works in skyhold
lusty grotto
jtdewbs
quartz pond
how other discords are handled is whatever
quartz pond
nobody wants to be AMR
lusty grotto
oof
quartz pond
let them handle themselves
quartz pond
they are grownups
undone sun
quartz pond
I remember when thyme wasnt SF
and then becaome SF
and then left
and then came back
lusty grotto
now that thyme and catfriend are back, let's press F for balsaq
quartz pond
whole timeline bitch
lusty grotto
F
quartz pond
cant rmbr balsaq
undone sun
It's been a wild ride @quartz pond
undone sun
๐
astral crystal
i feel like there's a lot of outrage here because some people want to defend their coveted "check the pins" place in the chat, we need to relax bois
also rip alavisto
lusty grotto
jesus balsaq was an ok guy, but you remember the crazy russian
shut summit
๐ฅ
quartz pond
abortus
daring marlin
lusty grotto
rofl
wide girder
opal field
2nd tank i've ever played, 1st was Guardian
slim pier
opal field
but having no self-healing is scary
ebon hound
Not when you have T O R D E N K N A L L
opal field
lv 85 so far i feel a bit healer reliant but oh god is it fun
i can pull full rooms and go AOE crazy
uneven mason
Yeah, self healing in many situations is misunderstood and only applies in trying to do some content without a healer, like stuff that is so out geared the mitigation advantage warriors have is negated
opal field
just worried healer will get CC'd or die
not an aggro thing i'm keeping aggro for the most part
uneven mason
Like, BDK and warrior each get hit for 100k, BDK takes 60k (from 40% mitigation) heals 20k back, warrior just takes 40k in the first place
loose example
heh, aggro we'll never had problems with
opal field
I'm also a Dark Iron Dwarf
uneven mason
๐
opal field
very nice racials
uneven mason
ME TOO LETS BE FRIENDS
opal field
POGGERS
uneven mason
Fireblood is very handy since it can remove some serious boss DoTs
slim pier
Alliance ew
opal field
i like to combo it with Avatar
uneven mason
๐
opal field
at least for now
uneven mason
yeah thats a trap I fall into sometimes
I gotta remember to save it defensively some fights
opal field
depends
uneven mason
for M+ totally stack it
but like say, 3rd boss UR
I'll hit shield wall, run through 10 mushrooms and then fireblood the debuff
daring marlin
@lusty grotto wat
opal field
Fireblood alone counters Affliction really hard
they can't burst you
if they do you ruin their CD's
daring marlin
can't trinket for 30 seconds if you fireblood
opal field
interesting
daring marlin
feelsgoodman
opal field
but your stopping alot of their damage so it evens out
primal crypt
I want to be a DiD ๐ฆ
opal field
without CD's they are really weak
primal crypt
I dont even have a damn alliance warrior available
at least not a good server
/wa
daring marlin
@opal field I mean pvp trinket
opal field
i know
echo epoch
is the vers still better than mast ? with the change of IP formula ?
now that IP scale better on ap and mast buff ap
uneven mason
our stats are all real close
they probably play leapfrog on who is better, its more like haste > vers >= mast > crit
wary gyro
You really want to go for whatever gives the most total secondaries rather than focus any one stat
uneven mason
^^
more is better for prot
after the SB change haste got a teeny bit weaker, vers and mast got a teeny bit stronger
but they've never been much apart
I should say the SB/IP changes
uneven mason
off the GCD
lusty grotto
That's not a "change in the formula" though
uneven mason
didn't say any change in the formula
lusty grotto
@echo epoch please explain
uneven mason
oh
uneven mason
RIP
stark sage
i think like in the beta they adjusted the IP formula
uneven mason
twice
steel mauve
Did say now that it scales better with ap
echo epoch
was on 8.1
lusty grotto
Eh?
uneven mason
nah the only change in 8.1 was removing it from GCD
echo epoch
with IP off gfc
lusty grotto
It didn't change in 8.1
echo epoch
mhh gonna check cause i read that
uneven mason
I think its a ESL thing
uneven mason
Yup
steel mauve
Ya it came off gcd but it doesnt scale better with ap after 8.1 than it did before 8.1 afaik
lusty grotto
Right, well regardless of what you meant, Mac and ieatpuppies got you covered
uneven mason
its more complex than that Tifrit
fierce juniper
That might be what he's talking about.
That is, the formula you see for IP on Wowhead and such is the AP * 3.5 * Vers, but in actuality the real formula is the same formula that ability damage is determined by.
uneven mason
yeah
uncut fractal
hey guys i havent played prot warr since uldir. Is it better now? Both for raiding & mythic + ?
uneven mason
because they convert weapon DPS Into its AP equivalent in there
echo epoch
maybe it was on ptr and didnt put live
fierce juniper
Yeah formula hasn't changed since 8.0. Just the GCD change
uneven mason
@uncut fractal Protwarriors are doing very well right now, the changes in 8.1 made us less punishing on mistakes
steel mauve
Pretty much our stats havent really changed since 8.0, just more stats are better than a specific stat
lusty grotto
@uncut fractal we were good back then, lots of small improvements made us slightly better
echo epoch
Ignore Pain Fight through the pain, ignoring 50% of damage taken, up to [ 700% of Attack Power ] total damage prevented. Warrior - Protection Spec. Warrior - Protection Spec. 40 Rage. Instant.0.5 sec cooldown.
lusty grotto
Yeah there was some weird ptr stuff going on like SB having 1 charge, I was thinking something like that was what you meant which is why I asked @echo epoch
sand egret
that was the one where people flipped out about IP being "back on the gcd"
lusty grotto
Due to being off gcd
sand egret
right?
sand egret
then again when they put its ICD to 1 sec
modern brook
It was better then that blade
lusty grotto
They were flipping out about the 0.5 thing
modern brook
It was people complaining about it having a cooldown because its basically the samething as being on gcd
sand egret
yeah, since it looked like it was a GCD and not an ICD
modern brook
It was omega not understanding the class
sand egret
yeah, then changed it to 1 later which caused the same shit, i membie now
lusty grotto
Yah
modern brook
the biggest prot change wasnt a prot change
it was shields blocking rocks
๐คท
suddenly we dont fear guns anymore
wary gyro
Yeah
modern brook
leaving us only scared of paper cuts
lusty grotto
Especially for jaina
echo epoch
-2sec on sb
modern brook
SB Uptime wasnt an issue in 8.0
echo epoch
still help :p
lusty grotto
Meh
echo epoch
little buff hp also
lusty grotto
Tiny changes that amounted to an improvement sure
uneven mason
effective SB uptime wasn't an issue, however, reducing the SB CD was a serious lowering of the skill floor
modern brook
SB cdr and IP off gcd made us less punishing
uneven mason
yup
modern brook
but it didnt make us better tanks
uneven mason
nope
modern brook
the vanguard change was nice
uneven mason
if you were good as prot in 8.0 nothing changed more or less
beyond feeling like you got 11% haste for free
modern brook
and in combination with the equivlent nerf to DK's and the lower default stagger on brew master
lusty grotto
Our dps wasn't even changed in 8.1... People were just dead set on warriors being bad
uneven mason
well Nim
modern brook
blocking rocks is OP af
uneven mason
BoM was born
lusty grotto
Well true
modern brook
Also BoM
uneven mason
which was basically like pouring 15 gallons of nitro in a 20gallon tank
modern brook
Yeah forgot about BoM
lusty grotto
I was setting you up for your meter pic mac
uneven mason
"Yo dawg, we heard you like ๐ข ๐ต ๐ so we gave you more"
OH I have a new one NIm
modern brook
I mean they're right Mac
uneven mason
but its on my home PC
lusty grotto
๐
modern brook
I do like ๐ข ๐ต ๐ฌ s
uneven mason
CLAPPERS
modern brook
I'm a force of evolution / auto correct
uneven mason
@fierce juniper can we change the channel name to ๐ข ๐ต ๐ฌs
lusty grotto
Cmon now
modern brook
basically synonymous
lusty grotto
Typo name lol
modern brook
"boot soup movie?"
sand egret
ah, my legacy
modern brook
boot soup action?
sand egret
๐ข ๐ต ๐ !
lusty grotto
Lol
lusty grotto
All about thay boot soup clap
ebon hound
Any Boot Soupers?
lusty grotto
T_T
mental scarab
Do you guys have any good big WA for the debuff on the jadefire boss?
vocal skiff
How bad is reaping on Waycrest this week
vocal skiff
I mean tight hallways
lusty grotto
you mean for the floor stuff?
lusty grotto
because they are a godsend for the caster ghosts
you should have enough room to navigate from the floor aoes
modern brook
hey guys, i play paladin, here to learn how to ๐ ๐ ๐ as protection!
vocal skiff
isn't it bolstering and grievous
vocal skiff
Yeah, I tanked WM with sanguine on my pally on week 1 of M+
Or the week after idk
Not an experience I am looking to repeat
lusty grotto
well thankfully reaping mobs shouldn't pop sanguine
imagine if they did though
christ
i'd imagine every reap wave having your shield break because mobs keep getting healed
im not gonna lie, i think my #1 gold expense right now is repair bills thanks to reaping
your shield durability goes down so fast
sinful cairn
Hi, is Bonded Souls trait any good for prot ? Can't find info on it on wowhead/icy
uneven mason
They don't interact with affixes thankfully
lusty grotto
its decent, if you don't have class traits @sinful cairn
if it's listed, its better
uneven mason
๐ค not having class traits
lusty grotto
if its not then you could go Bonded
but yeah that'd be weird if that piece didn't have class traits
uneven mason
Yeah
it would be
But still, @sinful cairn basically all of prots spec traits are stronger than generics
We're lucky like that
sinful cairn
Okay thanks !
lusty grotto
mac dont tease, i was just providing an example ๐ฆ
uneven mason
๐
oblique garnet
!
oblique garnet
Normally you can live a while when you drop below 20 with cds etc
But with it
Mobs hit too hard through sb
lusty grotto
plus it provides no benefit sub 50
uneven mason
Yeah BoD mobs are pretty meaty in their mele
oblique garnet
I was talking m+
uneven mason
TFW they like to put spell damage on top of melee hits
Oh
WHELP that is also true
oblique garnet
Bod mobs all have sort of mob that has a mechanic that needs to be interrupted or kited etc
uneven mason
fort weeks
Yeah, BOD Trash - I got a screenshot of being 1 shot by a melee hit on my BDK, same sort of shit I just take to the face on my warrior
apperntly I was supposed to kite during their enrage
oblique garnet
Teeming fucked up all my routes
uneven mason
didn't know untill I BDK'd
outer dew
Tbh
oblique garnet
I dont think ive gotten one clean reaping
outer dew
I was thinking of memeing as a bear
lusty grotto
woof
timber bough
Gotta love how teeming turns AD from one of the easiest dungeons to an absolute shit show without Shroud
outer dew
Just be NE
oblique garnet
Ad was easy
uneven mason
don't take zombie rout - profit
timber bough
Well I got fucked on several runs because of the middle pack towards Vol, the add it JUST close enough to get pulled, followed by pulling the pack next to it when you need to kill the totem
Eeeh, Priestess route on Fortified? End me
oblique garnet
Warlock gateway to skip that part
uneven mason
Much room kite hard
Also you death skip to priestess room rather than zombie rout or pulling that trash
timber bough
Mm, not a bad idea
Do the Golems have truesight? I can't remember, havent done that route in a good 6 weeks
oblique garnet
they do
uneven mason
yea
outer dew
You can also death skip it
timber bough
Damn
outer dew
Lol
timber bough
Yeah, was just thinking a possible Shroud or invis pots
uneven mason
narp
timber bough
But I guess you could also Shadowmeld skip
I could run in, pull them to the side and die. Saving 4 deaths and 20seconds on the timer
uneven mason
yeah if alliance you can SM skip
well
its risky
cause you're going to have AE spalshes flying off the trash like a dog who slipped in a shit puddle
timber bough
fair point
perhaps something worth testing in normal mythic just to see if it works in more than theory
uneven mason
well
no teeming in normal mythic
which is why you change that rout
because both ways in suck
but I think on Teeming/Fort Zombie side sucks more than just death skipping to priestess
cause while you need to interrupt on priestess side, its all CCable more or less, and no idiotic shield channels
and more room to kite if need be
lusty grotto
what route is this
uneven mason
AD
lusty grotto
yeah but
uneven mason
I suggested death skipping into Priestess room
lusty grotto
what do you mean death skip to priestest
uneven mason
rather than dealing with Teeming/fort zombo
uneven mason
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lusty grotto
actually no i dont
so you clear to priestess, go through fire straight to totem boss?
i assume you skip that pack obviously before totem dude
outer dew
Priestess side is ass
Wtf
The golem ramps so it needs prio
And teeming feeds the golem more
uneven mason
going dead side is a squeeze on non teeming weeks
lusty grotto
i need a graph mac
outer dew
Dead side is fine this week
uneven mason
k
lusty grotto
yeah i mean
uneven mason
It was just a suggestion if they didn't like doing zombos :p
lusty grotto
totem boss pack is what you skip anyway
outer dew
Like, maybe only weird suggestion I'd do
Is go left, lust the two packs
And clear some trash for CD and rezan it is
uneven mason
you'd need to pull all the birds off the pillars from the center and the pack in front of totem boss
uneven mason
I don't have my MDT in front ofm e
lusty grotto
first totem, 2nd totem, 2 shieldbearers, 2 rogues, then pack before bridge + rog
that's a lot of mobs
ill check on MDT after i get home
lusty grotto
yeah it also depends on which pack has teeming this week
i havent actually run AD this week
daring marlin
can clear all of dead side bar volkaal pack and you can skip last reaping
lusty grotto
hmm
yeah that's true
what pack do you leave up to skip last reap
just seems like a bit of a detour that takes too much time
or nvm, it might actually be comparable
daring marlin
depends
neon tangle
On normal weeks I leave the middle pack w/ a few saurolids
and just nuke those after last boss
fluid parrot
hey is there a weakaura to show the amount of blocked damage during shield block?
modern brook
uhhh
short nest
how much % uptime on shieldblock is possible in a 7 min fight without Heavy Repercussions
modern brook
#ui-addons-manager would be the place to ask
but why would you need that WA
@short nest what.
wary gyro
Those sure were some words
modern brook
I mean the answer depends on your haste value either way
Oh thats ez
0
because ur not using HR
ur using AM
and if u are using HR stop
and start using AM
Dammit dude
Ur killin me with these edits
short nest
lel im a copy paste king sorry xD
modern brook
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THe question is kind of misleading
THere are not a lot of (read any) situtations where you need 7 minutes straight of shield block
short nest
should i add a "just in theroy"?
modern brook
But the % ur looking for depends on a lot of different factors anyways
namely haste values and rage generation - ss procs etc
suffice to say
You should be able to have a sb or Bolster LS up for any situation where you'd be taking relevent blockable damage
uneven mason
WHAT BULLFANGO SAID
modern brook
@uneven mason dont read my responses
uneven mason
I don't
uneven mason
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modern brook
:ignorepain:
uneven mason
fix'd
modern brook
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candid ledge
Between a monk and war, what's the best tank to MT and OT Grong mythic?
uneven mason
Pick your poison
What one are you better at?
also, MT/OT?
EQUal share time on Grong
we're not greedy
Warrior is probably better at eating smashes
candid ledge
I've joined a guild alt run and havent done grong so far
uneven mason
and we can SR the DoT after throw
last mason
Itโs on the engi head tho
uneven mason
k
candid ledge
So let's say I am better as a MT and monk gets the throws?
broken roost
SSC and RNG - both are dece
broken roost
Oh oops center ring yeah
last mason
Yea like the shield tron, etc
broken roost
If there are bleeds, cauterizer - if not, absorb, I believe
last mason
Gotcha, there arenโt really any bleeds in m+ outside of like rezan right
broken roost
I'll probably leave it in absorb
last mason
Or am I forgetting stuff
uneven mason
The heal is actually pretty substantial
I'd say its close to the same procrate as IV
so, its up in the air
neon tangle
@candid ledge Warrior maybe better at the throw, IIRC the damage afterwords is magic
and you'll have SR up for every one
neon tangle
there you go
daring marlin
60 yesterday
uneven mason
warriors can intercept to someone and change where the damage happens
uneven mason
Midwest++
daring marlin
yup
uneven mason
Chicago here
outer dew
disgusting
neon tangle
But really it's 50/50, I would just go with whoever randomly gets it
uneven mason
@candid ledge if you have a monk drop their serpent healing thingy out in the middle of nowhere and no one stands near it
you can intercept it
and no one has to move for the throw
neon tangle
Feels like you're more likely to fuck up with smashes or w/e than make a huge difference btween monk and warrior getting thrown
uneven mason
^^
candid ledge
When exactly I should SR after throw?
uneven mason
Also you ahve to use your defensives BEFORE he grabs you
candid ledge
yeah
uneven mason
spam SR
candid ledge
kk
uneven mason
it has to be up before you land
candid ledge
or Demo
uneven mason
you can't cast while being thrown
candid ledge
I know
modern brook
RE: Grong warrior takes throws like a champion
candid ledge
RIP
uneven mason
so mash that button
candid ledge
And how does that intercept work?
neon tangle
I think the only class where throw kinda sucks is DK since they gotta jog back to DS
pally can use their heal afterwords, bear can do their heal
modern brook
U dont sr the impact damage u spell reflect the dot before u get grabbed
Unless that's been patched
but as of this tuesday it wasnt
wary gyro
I feel bad for bear tanks right now
neon tangle
@candid ledge also generally speaking I just told my healers to watch out for me and keep me topped up before the throw
I died a couple times because I'd get low-ish then take the big nature hit
sick sentinel
Same
If u can, u have to be careful to not be grabbed with double bite
Causes that's fucked
sick sentinel
If u have 2 bleeds the other NEEDS to taunt off
uneven mason
mhmm
sick sentinel
I do NOT recommend using intercept on your co-tank
uneven mason
yeah lol
sick sentinel
at least the first throw
sick sentinel
the fear damage
uneven mason
the roar damage
sick sentinel
w/e
uneven mason
gotya ๐
sick sentinel
it fears lesser classes
strong hill
Well played sir
uneven mason
yes, yes it does
wary gyro
My guild usually saves a pally's bop for situations where someone has to take double dots that
sick sentinel
Berserk rage doesn't break fear on mythic
neon tangle
yikes
sick sentinel
Tried several times last night
I have intercept bitch holy pally hugging co-tank so I can safely intercept :>
sick sentinel
wut ?
modern brook
sick sentinel
it does break fear
neon tangle
I'm going to have to get someone to stand next to me, I normally just eat fears when the dude gets tossed
wary gyro
Yeah we have our hpal sit on tanks for the fear
dusk locust
i thought i read on mythic it was a horrify not a fear
sick sentinel
Then somethings wrong
analog creek
Fear on mythic is a horrify, can not be broken by fear breaking abilities.
sick sentinel
I got feared because I spooped on intercepting and the target person went back to group
poped zerg rage and broke it somehow
analog creek
I think tremor totem can still get it though
sick sentinel
might have been that
steel mauve
Mythic grong the fear is a horrify from what ive been told so beserk rage doesnt break ir
It*
sick sentinel
It ain't that op
modern brook
:comedy:
sick sentinel
2% secondaries is good
It'll be op when we get rep locked raids/dungeon
and good looking transmogs
sick sentinel
I would take beefy human racials over normal one
stark sage
yeah KT humans racial is not bad
signal plover
I just need KT Hooman to fill the tauren shaped hole in my heart
uneven mason
@signal plover their shields are tiny
daring marlin
Might make my DiD a KT
uneven mason
Not Tauren sized at all
wary gyro
If it's not tauren what's even the point
sick sentinel
^my guy
uneven mason
well, I dunno, noe one on horde plays anything but Buttelves
strong hill
Tauren superior race
wary gyro
I think the only class I have that can be a tauren that isn't is my priest
sick sentinel
They can be
uneven mason
hence why he said that can but isn't
wary gyro
Yeah that's what I said
sick sentinel
Then they should be
uneven mason
fixit
wary gyro
I would but I dont play them and dont feel like paying for a class I haven't touched in over a year
uneven mason
no priest until tauren could be priests
played just orcs and tauren
with 1 BE
(Paladin, cause I played all tanks)
neon tangle
I don't like how tauren run
uneven mason
because they don't run
sand egret
had to quit my DH cuz i couldn't stand being a BE
uneven mason
they Truck
wary gyro
I remember the day tauren could be pallies the first thing I did was race change my pally to tauren
sand egret
if only they had Dorf DHs
neon tangle
They feel slow to me, just cause longer stride but same speed
sand egret
yeah, it's a more exaggerated animation on the bigger models
neon tangle
Even worse was trying to play a pally tauren
sand egret
(a huge reason why I don't like playing larger races)
neon tangle
slow class, slow walk
wary gyro
Whenever I play another race I always feel like everything is huge because I'm used to tauren size
sand egret
with the exception being my bear. Cuz swagbear loves to swagwalk
signal plover
@uneven mason y u tell me dis
strong hill
@neon tangle Iโm not a fan of how taurens run now.
strong hill
Ummmmmm. God 2 xpacks ago? So the end of wod I think
neon tangle
so right before I quit playing I guess lol
At this point I mainly do smaller characters, orc, undead, etc
strong hill
Back in wrath and cata we looked like we were football players. Now we have a bit of a skip in our steps
uneven mason
cata is when druids got their first revamped models
and they added the bear leg twist
which looked dumb as hell until they "fixed" it in WoD
strong hill
Ya wod seems to be jumping out to me as when they did an over haul of the animations
uneven mason
Tauren animation was about the same time
which was good
because they really
walked like sticks
strong hill
Lumbering. We were lumbering
strong hill
Trees. Big ass redwoods
strong forum
you get 350 TR from 415 azerite right
strong hill
I do like the charge animation. You see a big Tauren rushing you , you know you are about to get crunched
wary gyro
I miss taurens old overpower animation
daring marlin
365 TR from 415
modern pulsar
What kind of mouse are ya'll using? My naga hex isnt that old and two buttons are out. Looking to replace.
wary gyro
I'm using a razor naga that I've had for almost a decade now
wicked ginkgo