@daring marlin Id sure like to find a Ignore Pain progress bar weakaura I k=like
#protection
orchid sand
neon tangle
did you check the one from the pins?
tranquil burrow
how good is mastery compared to haste in m+?
tranquil burrow
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sand egret
actually a solid breakdown
one provides bigger claps, the other provides more claps
they are overall relatively close tho
tranquil burrow
you do bigger claps and get more out of the clap allowing you to do other things
ebon hound
haste gives you shorter gcd's allowing you to do more things
sand egret
mastery gives you more AP, more chance to crit block (which has increased value in M+ due to higher average number of auto attacks)
haste speeds up everything. more gcds more rage more spending rage caster cds etc
tranquil burrow
but with IP and charge off gcd it should not matter that much with haste?
sand egret
๐
ebon hound
ah forgot
tranquil burrow
and yea mastery increase IP too
sand egret
uh the gcd isn't about IP per se
but rather more SS/TClap
since those are up faster
via haste
tranquil burrow
but it's relative to the affix too, would you say?
sand egret
let me ask the underlying question: what are you trying to figure out?
molten wedge
hows the grong trinket for m+ for prot?
tranquil burrow
so for this week (and for necrotic too?), it would be better to have a stronger clap
tranquil burrow
i'm just trying to think why everyone is stacking haste
sand egret
uh, like are you gearing for this week?
tranquil burrow
or to figure out as you said
sand egret
haste is our best stat in secondaries
but the rest are real close
ilvl is generally king
tranquil burrow
i understand this, but in any case - ilvl is king in most cases and my question relates to whether or not that extra bit of mastery on the enchants is worth the investment
i think the answer after talking to you guys is
sand egret
ahh go with haste
tranquil burrow
it's a matter of your own playstyle
ebon hound
some prefer it over haste, most go with haste
sand egret
if you wanna enchant, id say haste
daring marlin
just do haste gems and enchants
sand egret
the most throughput for all content
olive lotus
Does anyone have tips on tanking SoS. I get that we are at a disadvantage because of all the magic damage, but Iโm getting chunked way too frequently.
tranquil burrow
get more mastery for IP
sand egret
don't let water bolt go off haha
tranquil burrow
i'm sorry, that was memeing
sand egret
well if you're doing M+, you should have BoM
so you'll be swimming in Mast
but yeah, go for the haste. ๐
daring marlin
Prot being bad against magic is a common misconception. Weโre one of the better spell damage tanks.
sand egret
didn't wanna nitpick that but yeah
olive lotus
Lies
sand egret
lol
ebon hound
several people are typing
olive lotus
We are far superior at mitigating physical damage
daring marlin
?
sand egret
they aren't exclusive
daring marlin
The only tank that has an edge against magic is BDK because their AM is straight healing based on damage taken.
olive lotus
But if we are โone of the best at spellโ and probably the best at physical, you would see a lot@more prot warriors around
sand egret
๐ค
daring marlin
prot warriors are dominating M+ right now
ebon hound
and the most damage
sand egret
anything in particular there?
daring marlin
Everyone hates that place for a reason.
sand egret
ot
it's casters and casters are generally more of a pain....as they're all backloaded
dark karma
this is good or bad? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5AZg9M6AdiNTGQCS5T7pd6
hollow edge
You definitely notice that people aren't doing interrupts in SoS.
sand egret
^
daring marlin
terrible
olive lotus
That could see be it. I think I lot of people hold interrupts for a couple spells and let everything else through
daring marlin
delete your character @dark karma
hollow edge
Water bolts are murder.
daring marlin
โค
sand egret
get an interrupt tracker and you'll see the opposite actually
everyone jumps at the FIRST one
daring marlin
exactly
sand egret
and its 15 seconds of just bolts to the face
daring marlin
Having the interrupt WA opens your eyes to that lol
dark karma
@daring marlin whyyy
hollow edge
^ that is so true.
sand egret
cuz you're not funny.
hollow edge
(the interrupts)
daring marlin
damn
dark karma
damn son
daring marlin
rekt
sand egret
call me dad, cuz that was Cold
olive lotus
That cut deep like a water bolt to the face
daring marlin
yeah well
dark karma
ou sht
sick sentinel
Hello is there a website that tells you what azarite trait to pick or it automatically tells you what to do?
warm plinth
The icy-veins guides has a list of traits you should focus on for survivability.
sand egret
it's in the #268491842637660160 channel
wicked snow
How important is vers? Everything I've been getting seems to be haste crit or haste mast.
daring marlin
donโt worry about secondaries
hollow edge
iLvl is more important. Except on rings. Icy veins has a good stat priority section.
daring marlin
Even on rings since all the secondaries are so close.
Haste just edges a little bit.
wicked snow
My rings are haste crit and vers mastery. I'm at 18% haste crit 28 mastery. And 4 vers
sand egret
my gearset ended up having lower vers as well, but it hasn't really affected me
also makes that tuskarr charm shine ๐
40% uptime on 5% haste
err Vers
viral garden
Does Everchill Anchor apply it's debuff from Deep Wounds, or does it require things like tclap/shield slam? I'd imagine if it applies from our dot it could be really good in keystones, couldn't find any answers in wowhead comments
thin ore
left or right?
merry cave
I quite like bloodsport for m+ as well
jagged bay
left one for m+ and right one for raiding imo
icy basalt
so bloodspoint is really good for mythics?
snow hinge
is bonded souls good for prot?
warm plinth
bloodsport is very good for defense in general
inland mesa
anyone ever find or get a working weak aura for the opulence diamond shield?
warm plinth
@snow hinge It's not bad, but prot traits are probably still gonna be better.
snow hinge
kk
tired cove
so i know raidbots is wrong for prot in terms of dps, but i wonder how far off it is from running 3xbom over 3tc just for pure dmg
olive lotus
Is brace for impact > bonded souls?
true plover
How good is the engi helm compared to one of equal ilv?
tired cove
brace for impact is great in raids i perfer bonded souls in m+
charred prawn
daring marlin
blood elf is pretty great all around
tired cove
m+ blood elf raid tauren thats if min/maxing, but overall it doesn't really matter
daring marlin
Why tauren in raid?
merry cave
Nightborne ๐ค
warm plinth
Defensive traits probably. HMT gets vers+reduced damage taken, and regular Tauren gets increased stamina.
warm plinth
Didn't say it was a good reason to pick it ๐ฌ Just explaining why he said Tauren.
young harbor
did they hotfix the eng helm bleed clear trait on kimbul
or is the proc rate just really low
astral crystal
how many stacks of kimbul's bleed do we take on mythic?
final mist
2-3
final mist
No.
astral crystal
KK
sick sentinel
be a dark iron dwarf and delete the bleed ๐
merry cave
Aren't orcs = dwarves for that fight
oblique garnet
FUCK
sick sentinel
@astral crystal orcs become dwarfs for that fight anyway
astral crystal
playing an orc ever
plucky mauve
how is treacherous covenant for damage mitigation compared to other available traits?
open bluff
more str while you're over 50%, and str = armor/stam
hollow edge
Mag'har become dark irons, so my warrior gets their racial for that fight and it is mint. ๐
primal aurora
Is sporepoods good
warm plinth
Best survival traits are in the guide, and most of them have an offensive effect as well. Bastion of Might is incredibly good for M+.
Or any other time you want DPS over survival
(though it's very good against blockable damage, and does increase your Ignore Pains as wel)
@primal aurora It's not anything amazing but it's okay.
ripe crow
bloodsport or iron fortress?
warm plinth
Both are strong; Bloodsport just doesn't have a DPS aspect. Iron Fortress is better against blockable damage (and will deal damage when you block). Bloodsport is better for magic damage, but will not give any extra damage.
outer dew
warm plinth
Lol, not a bad problem to have
sand egret
i say rezan block
warm plinth
Idk man, you do vial + rezan's and hold trink for Avatar ๐ฎ Super juicy claps
regal saddle
is bonded soul good
warm plinth
Yes, but probably not better than prot traits.
vocal flame
i got bwomsamdi's bargain trinket off the weekly mythic run lol so sad
sick sentinel
rezan+block
@regal saddle depends on what it is against and what content you are doing
coral briar
Can i still get the hidden appearance for prot?
sick sentinel
yes
Depends
@primal aurora sporepods is garbage
Are you willing to waste ur time getting the worst skin for prot?
last mason
i got it like last week
so yea
and its a good skin
the only bad one is the base
they all have flavor
rocky imp
Yo - how prot deal with necrotic compared ti other tanks?
sick sentinel
thinking of trying to get it actually because it will be a shield that will not fucking clip with my shoulders
@rocky imp you go in, enstablish aggro with avaclap and then leg it
get a fury warrior or a frost mage or any spec that slows
rocky imp
I mean compared to other specs. We decent at it bc of mobility?
sick sentinel
we can get enough aggro to run forever in seconds and then you can intercept to your ranged and leap
sick sentinel
DKs were gods at it because they could AMS it but not anymore
brave mauve
Any tank I play tbh
sick sentinel
they can still 90% slow and run
merry cave
Wonder if reaping will apply necrotic ๐ค
merry cave
In theory but you never know with bliz, I half expect the first reapong pack of the day necrotics lol
exotic hazel
except teeming, yay
sick sentinel
well, yeah
lavish oracle
Does bolster still buff their HP?
warm plinth
I don't believe so. It did on the PTR but I don't think it does on live.
Nah, there's a Jan 22 hotfix that says they are no longer affected by Fortified or Bolstering
lavish oracle
Oh, rad
sick sentinel
wAIT they are not affected by fortified?
sick sentinel
o
warm plinth
So the only affix that actually affects Reaping is teeming
sick sentinel
which makes it more fun btw
warm plinth
Just more juicy claps for us
warm plinth
๐ฆ
sick sentinel
if you have a prot bursting for 180, an outlaw like 200k and a BM hunter around 150k
warm plinth
I imagine things tend to die kinda quick
I didn't know BM hunters existed tbh. I've seen so few hunters in BfA.
Except for random ones while leveling alts
warm plinth
Tbh I didn't even notice it was reddit until you said it was lol
Maybe they all just have War Mode on ๐
sick sentinel
rezans->Faster avatars
R.A.G.E. -> Bigger avatars
I would use rezans for mplus
I would prefer having a lot more avatars and more instances of 20 sec invincibility to physical damage than doing a little bit more claps within the 20 sec window ( running 3xBoM)
timber nest
ive played with mekkatorque trinket for the last couple days now and i feel like it performs worse than rezans imo. but thats just me, wanted a second opinion
sick sentinel
the only thing I am replacing my rezans, will be another rezans
warm plinth
I agree with Kaege. RAGE is a good trinket but the rampup makes it less impressive for our burst. What is your other trinket, just wondering?
Since you're only comparing those two, I assume you have a pretty good trinket in the other slot
sick sentinel
which will be pretty difficult this season because
warm plinth
Hnngh
sick sentinel
well avatar lasts 18 and the whole duration including the ramp up is 18
ripe crow
but the base str is great
sick sentinel
so no reason to pre-use it
warm plinth
Yeah, you could. But micro-managing, and you'd be getting very little of it inside Ava
neon tangle
Ahh, prolly not worth them
sick sentinel
that's the god combo
warm plinth
Niiiice
warm plinth
I mean, Kaege's has a socket though ๐
sick sentinel
he has a socket on gore block
right now when I am not doing WM I am farming any ring that has a socket on it
sockets in rings are huge
warm plinth
Indeed
sick sentinel
doing +15s also helps because you get 1 item per person
16s are a bit more fun, I got 2 items from the 16SoB I timed last week
sick sentinel
2 items for a +10, one extra if you time it
sick sentinel
yes
so a +16 is 240%
I have timed multiple +16s but the only time I have seen a double drop was last week actually
warm plinth
The 5 items are guaranteed to be spread around the group then? Not possible for like 1 dude to get 2 and 1 to get 0?
warm plinth
๐
safe wharf
is anyone else having an issue where BoI isn't giving you visible block stat in your character panel?
warm plinth
Bol?
safe wharf
sorry BfI
brace for impact
i have 3 of them which is like 1100 block, but i'm staying at 26.4%
nevermind i found it
ignore my idiocy
warm plinth
I still love you
tropic orchid
Does bonded souls stack well, or is it a one and done azerite trait?
sick sentinel
health and haste stack
so I would say that it stacks pretty well
but then you have a different problem
you are using 2 bonded souls
tropic orchid
prior brace for impact over bonded souls?
sick sentinel
yes
you use bonded souls over a second (or 3rd DC ๐คท ) or over BS if you feel like you are not taking damage
bonded souls>second DC if you want more survivability, and bonded souls>BloodSport if you want more damage
While Bonded Souls is one of the better General traits, it is still worth worse than prot specific traits, because prot specific traits are really powerful
tropic orchid
aight, thanks
reef fulcrum
Hate to bother you with this but which ones you suggest me to take? Only for raids. For reference, I'm 397 ilvl ๐
thank you ๐
sick sentinel
first of all, you don't bother us with trinket questions, you promote discussions when the choice is hard and that is good
you go diamond, no matter the fact
now the other choice requires a bit of thinking
reef fulcrum
I agree with the diamond
sick sentinel
I am thinking knot because it has a gem on it
warm plinth
Knot for sure in dungeons. On use and 1 min CD means you can line it up with Avatar
sick sentinel
yeah exactly, knot is a no-brainer for dungeons
reef fulcrum
That's why I'm asking for raids
warm plinth
Oh I can't read ๐
sick sentinel
well, you are a warrior, not famous for out big brains
warm plinth
โ
honest canopy
@sick sentinel that coubts for arms and fury tho
sick sentinel
yeah, arms are mankis and furys are mongos
warm plinth
What are prot?
honest canopy
One is a sloth, the other face rolls droolin
reef fulcrum
thank you very much guys
sick sentinel
C A R N A G E
tight tree
So, what is community perception about prot for m+ now? More accepted in pugs in general or it is more of "DK ONLY" meta still? Have to push for more m+ to gear up, since i am not really raiding anymore.
I am kind of out of the loop atm (busy IRL) that is why asking
naive panther
mythic opulence trinket tonight
sick sentinel
๐
tight tree
Ok, time to reroll my azerite to prot. 3x ToM, 1x DC, and what else is OP for dungeons now?
sick sentinel
ToM 
and go CR
tight tree
๐
sick sentinel
with even 1 CR revenge jumps up to your second highest damage source in overall in dungeons
and the % damage reduction of CR stacks
manic perch
so i might be faction changing to horde, any suggestions on races?
sick sentinel
the one that looks better for you
manic perch
i want atleast some utility ๐ is blood elf still the best race?
sick sentinel
yes
manic perch
how is undead?
sick sentinel
eh
honest canopy
Anybody know how many breath of bwosandi you get in Mythic per Kill?
sick sentinel
20
honest canopy
Ah cool
manic perch
what race are you Kaege?
sick sentinel
orc
manic perch
for prot ordps?
honest canopy
Should be able to craft my 415 engi Googles on Tuesday then
sick sentinel
for looks mainly, my warr was not supposed to be my main
manic perch
how much does it require Nikkj?
honest canopy
200
sick sentinel
200
manic perch
damn son ok
sick sentinel
400 ones require 20
manic perch
wow a bit of a jump lol
honest canopy
You dont get it like like you do with The other mats right when you scrap?
Ah ok
You get The breaths back as well, didnt know
manic perch
i need to do more dungeons forhydrocores
honest canopy
Tidalcores
sick sentinel
samstel if you really care about pushing mplus you should go belf but it is not really that important
highmountain is cool for the 1% vers as well
honest canopy
Tauren allways been master race for prot warrior imo
Before for The gucci racial, since The swap for The looks
But thats just personal
manic perch
this char is my first one i created and it was tauren back in wotlk then swopped to ally and now thinking of going horde again
quiet kettle
i'd agree with tauren overall too, cause of double stuns
sick sentinel
we will excuse you for going to the dark side
quiet kettle
which is really handy
manic perch
hmmmmmm i do care about m+ alot, but i am also competing with 200ms so not like im gonna set any world records ๐ is that highmountain charge also cool?
quiet kettle
personally i prefer normal tauren instead of highmountain
sick sentinel
warstomp is on the stun DR iirc
quiet kettle
it is, but i've seen many a HT fuck up their charge into another pack
cause its the direction the player model is facing
sick sentinel
and between shockwave, chaos nova and cap totem/monk kick you have enough aoe stuns
warm plinth
Bull Rush is on the stun DR as well
manic perch
belf racial still interrupts stuns? does it also purge buffs? can you give some examples if you know?
sick sentinel
purges just like a shaman purge
quiet kettle
it only purges and gives extra rage
manic perch
did it not use to silence?
quiet kettle
it did, too op, got nerfed
sick sentinel
but because of the way the bfa dungeons are, it is very powerful
warm plinth
It did; hasn't since BfA launched though.
It's still very strong, just arguably not AS strong as it used to be.
quiet kettle
basically its better for dungeons/raid, worse in pvp
not interrupting anything makes it really useful in scenarioes where ur running around like JFM
or just in general cause of the rage gain
15 rage when im running to the jfm wall? cool
in dungeons thou, best places for it are KR, temple, and WCM
sick sentinel
and underrot
warm plinth
Speaking of racials though, HMT racial is actually kind of annoying to use. I think I've used it more for a quick movement speed thing than for the actual knockdown on my horde warrior that I've been leveling.
quiet kettle
ya there too
ya ghash its actually a bit clunky in m+
cause its the direction ur facing
manic perch
how far do you charge?
warm plinth
Yeah, so you can't just like strafe away and use it, because you'll go the wrong way
quiet kettle
about 20 yards
manic perch
o wow so like normal charge almost
warm plinth
Eh, probably not that far. It's like 10, but enough to displace you significantly
manic perch
thats pretty far
warm plinth
And your back is to the mobs if you don't move away first
sick sentinel
face it towards the other side
warm plinth
Run through mobs, which puts your back to them though
chilly brook
they're stunned and you don't take unblocked hits
quiet kettle
sum ppl arent that smart griff
chilly brook
they get stunned.....
quiet kettle
lets be honest
oblique garnet
HMT racial is eh unless you are trying to get away
warm plinth
YOu said run through,t hen turn around and use it
manic perch
leap over then use ๐
warm plinth
On the run through, you're going to have your back to some mobs
quiet kettle
honestly hmt racial is more useful in pvp
warm plinth
The argument isn't that it's unusable. We're just saying that it's clunky/awkward
That's all.
chilly brook
It's not all that awkward though
quiet kettle
ive just seen a lot of pugs be really unsmart with it
chilly brook
And you could just strafe around the mobs if you were really that worried about being hit in the back
warm plinth
I'd rather have War Stomp, since they both go on stun DR anyway.
chilly brook
Which you wouldn't get hit in the back if you mouse turn
warm plinth
For me, it's that you have to reposition to use it
That's why it's awkward
War Stomp I can just stand in one spot
Boom, done
chilly brook
I personally don't see it as any more challenging or awkward than fel rush
quiet kettle
fel rush is dps thou, not tank side
chilly brook
Or any other "skill shot" ability
manic perch
doe sundead have any utility?
warm plinth
Fel Rush also works with strafing. Bull Rush doesn't.
sick sentinel
imagine having to play with somebody that uses momentum
chilly brook
Imagine having to play at all :pog
quiet kettle
cannibalize is alright for when ur healer needs mana but thats about it
chilly brook
bad joke
quiet kettle
caanibalize breaks from basically everything
manic perch
why do you need to bubble hearth?
quiet kettle
^
sick sentinel
^
manic perch
fight like a man ๐
quiet kettle
if u cant leap out, die like a proper warrior
ripe crow
im just enjoying the utility
quiet kettle
prot pally cant aoe stun
manic perch
i enjoy watching pally hp drop like roller coaster and mine stay rock steady ๐
quiet kettle
not to mention ur gonna see a nice decrease in aoe dmg
manic perch
i even tried monk, very nice on utility but damn so it takes some big hits
quiet kettle
not really inaccurate either
their 'spam button' gets more use than our filler button
warm plinth
I don't mind monks; they just have a really boring rotation
quiet kettle
oh and i'd argue that prot warrs are better raid tanks too
warm plinth
And I always enjoyed the sound effects of a warrior better
Nothing quite like the sound of a shield smashing something
chilly brook
Do you also enjoy having an offensive CD that doesn't feel like you're doing anything?
If so, play paladin
warm plinth
True story as well
manic perch
in the end thou you should play what you enjoy if you enjoy pally more play it, i just enjoy warrior more, had dk geared still prefered warrior tried monk still went back to warrior, at launch of bfa all said warrior shit and i refused to play anyother tank and just played warrior and got better and now i cant not play it lol
sick sentinel
"Sorry I can't hear you over the sounds of my thunderclaps" is a phrase I throw around a lot recently
quiet kettle
also warr -> shout
warm plinth
#noregrets
quiet kettle
prot pal -> nothing
chilly brook
Do you enjoy not yelling and stomping your enemies? Not seeing them driven before you, and not hearing the lamentations of their women?
quiet kettle
prot pal doesnt even getting to throw blessings on other characters
warm plinth
Do you enjoy people trying to pet you, because you're that NOT intimidating? Guardian druid is your best bet.
quiet kettle
well any blessings that really matter
warm plinth
Even took Intimidating Roar away from them ๐
quiet kettle
i wasnt even paying attention to that one
chilly brook
lmao
warm plinth
It sounds familiar tbh but I can't place it.
chilly brook
Conan
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women"
chilly brook
dakka dakka
manic perch
so back to my original question lol before some pally scrub derailed it :P
so what i gathered from the responses is:
Belf still the best racial over all
tauren also pretty useful
HM tauren also useful
thats about it?
final mist
You're forgetting the most important thing
sick sentinel
go for looks
quiet kettle
^
final mist
Nightborne look the best in tmog
sick sentinel
better transmog=more dps
final mist
End of discussion
ripe crow
@manic perch hardly a scrub pally you chundermonster
ionic fern
Female Orc = best mog watcha on about
sick sentinel
imagine playing a nightbourne
daring marlin
@final mist Nightborne? Female, right?
final mist
Mhmm
manic perch
โค u 2 @ripe crow ๐
daring marlin
because male nightborne are the worst in the game
final mist
False
daring marlin
fucking toothpick legs
ionic fern
If you want curves go for female Draenei. ๐
daring marlin
and the females look amazing
quiet kettle
but were talking horde races mwahi
ionic fern
๐ฆ
quiet kettle
if alli, yes, draenei all the time
daring marlin
yeah the savages
final mist
Alliance races don't matter, because they're alliance
quiet kettle
male NE and fem draenei are the only good moggers on that side
daring marlin
the only alliance race is easily dark iron
quiet kettle
dwarfs are fat goblins, gnomes are just retardedly proportioned, and worgens have the same retarded hunchback old orcs had plus their furry
final mist
Dwarves are the second worst alliance race
daring marlin
he's just jealous of the beards
quiet kettle
the only good thing from dwarf is stoneskin
warm plinth
I think that's it
sick sentinel
ok let's be real
daring marlin
sick sentinel
I am playing an orc because I am a gnome irl
warm plinth
Dwarves are the best alliance race.
quiet kettle
if i wanted to be black guil i'd play a mag'har
final mist
Worst*
quiet kettle
oh and i forgot to insult humans
the only good mog on humans are ones that hide the face, cause its epic derp
warm plinth
Brb I have to reevaluate my Discord server choices
daring marlin
o m e g a
final mist
And nothing of value was lost
quiet kettle
even undead faces dont look that derpy
daring marlin
only good horde race is the one that isn't even out yet
haha
man this dude is killing me tonight
quiet kettle
who?
warm plinth
I wonder what % of horde will be Zandalari in 6 months
daring marlin
you
quiet kettle
like 35%
daring marlin
๐คก
quiet kettle
guaranteed
warm plinth
I think Zandalari could actually give Belf a run for its money
daring marlin
wait
sick sentinel
it also looks cool
quiet kettle
i can see a lot of undead race swapping
quiet kettle
cause its literally a better undead in every way
warm plinth
I need to see how good/bad xmog looks on KT humans
daring marlin
you know the worst part about the new raid?
it makes my warlock a shitty forsaken
feelsbadman
warm plinth
KT humans allow me to actually be myself in-game
daring marlin
womp womp
warm plinth
A fat ass
sick sentinel
oh that's why like dwarfs
warm plinth
Also their heritage armor is sick
Yeah, but KTs are actually tall
Right now I'm a short fatass
But I'm tall irl
quiet kettle
this is my guild's reaction to KT humans https://giphy.com/gifs/vintage-nostalgia-fat-ppRrvV3PYD4Dm
final mist
I actually get kind of jebaited by the race change. Just turns me from a NB to a NE.
warm plinth
The okay version of nelf to the horrible reality
sick sentinel
I don't like that we all have the same tmog
final mist
NE is actually my favorite race in the game (males not withstanding), there's a reason why I was a NB the second they were released
sick sentinel
I always use toys in there
daring marlin
@sick sentinel same
warm plinth
Well yeah, you have to a female if you have that model
daring marlin
kovork costume is my best friend
warm plinth
to be*
sick sentinel
coin of many faces
daring marlin
and my mote of light and so many other toys
sick sentinel
and appeareance swapper etc
daring marlin
because being a forsaken is a hard pass
daring marlin
Worse than Gnomes.
final mist
False
daring marlin
At least gnome memes can be funny.
warm plinth
Okay so you hate gnomes, and you hate dwarves
daring marlin
forsaken have nothing
sick sentinel
gnomes are fun to punt
warm plinth
I need the other races you all hate so I can make a warrior of each of them
daring marlin
they're just garbage
sick sentinel
gnome warriors pog
daring marlin
escape artist
quiet kettle
hey if we had proper foraken they'd be good for mogging
daring marlin
opop
quiet kettle
but their not
daring marlin
proper being?
quiet kettle
their still skeletal af
ionic fern
I had a gnome tank once in Siege..was thinking why he was moving so slow in the fountain on the 3rd boss..turns out gnomes are swimming in that fountain rather than running.
quiet kettle
proper being sylvanas/nathanos-esque
warm plinth
Blizz, Nathanos forsaken models when
daring marlin
they aren't proper
sick sentinel
LOL
daring marlin
the PC is proper
sacred laurel
HMT > All. The end.
daring marlin
they're exceptions
warm plinth
Is there a story for why Nathanos looks like he does?
quiet kettle
not according to like the entirety of the forsaken council
final mist
I'd enjoy forsaken more if their armor wasn't so fucked
final mist
Nathanos looks the way he does because the writer of that short story used it as a self insert
And continues to use Nathanos that way
daring marlin
^
quiet kettle
but what about the rest of the council?
warm plinth
I'd play a forsaken if they looked like Nathanos
sick sentinel
fair
warm plinth
But in reality, I'm gonna be rolling a KT human as soon as they exist on my druid, because I can finally be a decent looking race on a druid.
Instead of the horrible choice of worgen and the worse choice of nelf
sick sentinel
imagine playing alliance though
quiet kettle
honestly i'd even take the chinese forsaken models over the current version we have
sick sentinel
well same but I am memeing
final mist
I would prefer the Chinese forsaken, just because their armor isn't fucked
I don't like the bones constantly sticking out
sick sentinel
I was playing a gnome rogue for cata and mop
warm plinth
Oh yeah I forgot, you have like the spines showing through chestpieces and shit right?
quiet kettle
also undead dont wear boots either
tardy berry
please just give us chineese forsaken as an option
final mist
Spines, limb joints, toes and shit
daring marlin
look at muh knees and muh toes!
quiet kettle
its so stupid
daring marlin
wanna show some examples of this forsaken council? because I'm 100% sure you're pulling that out of your ass
quiet kettle
i'd be okay with arm bones showing if toes/knees were covered
tardy berry
Thing is though, it's lore. The average forsaken is little more than an intelligent ghoul. In order to look cool like Nathanos and not be all zombie like, you'd need to either have been an elf in life, or have a spell cast on you that takes away a fragment of a valkyrs power.
tardy berry
Putris is known as a betrayer but he was the betrayed one.
Sylvanas ordered him, then denied all connection to him xD
quiet kettle
"Good news everyone!!!"
daring marlin
putress not putricide
tardy berry
Shit I spelled wrong. Now I feel bad.
(may include sarcasm
daring marlin
What I said wasn't directed at you
tardy berry
regardless I did spel wrong xD
quiet kettle
also guil, that ritual doesnt take really take a valkyr's power
a valkyr is needed for the ritual, but the 'power' portion is another living person
manic perch
hey dont diss Gnome rogues you will upset Pilav
sick sentinel
first boss of TD with explosives? how are you even supposed to get that done, just bring ranged dps with instant abilities?
quiet kettle
oh sry, that was sumthing bamb said, not u
quiet kettle
also i did get one thing wrong, its the dark rangers that look humanish, not the council
sick sentinel
frost shock, hunters in general, icelance etc
when I did it it was pretty faceroll
quiet kettle
every dark ranger is undead/forsaken but they all more fleshy versions than what the player can play as
sick sentinel
if you have a pala healer he can though judgements at it
it's just been that one dungeon that's given me any trouble with the explosives this week.
tardy berry
Ah yes, it is another living soul... Someone he used to know if I remember Nobbels video correctly @daring marlin I was jesting ๐
sick sentinel
haven't been able to get passed first boss yet
quiet kettle
another thing about the undead race im disappointed about is that there is no option for undead trolls,elves, draenei etc.
tardy berry
they're citezens of lordaerun canonically
High elves would be rare but possible
otherwise mostly all human, maybe some dwarves
quiet kettle
going by the wowpedia page, they should atleast have high and night elf options
the forsaken is not entirely humans
daring marlin
vast majority of them are considering they were raised in lordaeron
tardy berry
The thing is, lordaerun high elves were rare as shit, and idk where they get night elves from at all
stormwind has high elves, but they're not an option for alliance either
and since high and nightelven undead are canonically automatically more powerful than human undead I feel like it makes sense to put everyone on equal footing
every undead at least
sick sentinel
they were orginally planning on making ogres a playable race in vanilla, but nobody could come up with a good female ogre model so they had to scrap it
LOL
tardy berry
yeah I remember that Dr claw xD
quiet kettle
honestly i like most ppl, wanna see the san'layn be the next horde alt race
wheat bronze
Did they change grong gear to a horrify?
quiet kettle
horrify is mythic
wheat bronze
Ah
Didnt read close enough, I guess
Was caught off guard on our first pull tonight but easy kill
quiet kettle
it y stacking mythic is mandatory, instead of optional
rotund flume
best racial for m+ ?
manic perch
faction?
rotund flume
ally
floral tinsel
Nelf
manic perch
dark iron dwarves or nelf
rotund flume
i was told that lightforged drenei has a rly op racial
rotund flume
im trying to find a sim of lightforged dreinei anyone got one?
manic perch
the racial sim?
slim pier
what are the best 1h weapons for prot?
rapid tide
Highest item level ones.
rapid tide
It's hard to aim for a specific one as rng and stuff. But generally something with haste+ vers or mastery from dungeons is as farmable as it gets.
slim pier
okay
manic perch
just spam run m+ till u get one they all useful
modest wedge
just spam AD, best loot for prot
Dont know why anyone doesnt want to answer simple question
rng is rng
mental scarab
do intimidating presence stack?
sick sentinel
The fear minor azerite dmg reduce?
mental scarab
y
sick sentinel
I think so.
modest wedge
i would think so. have not tried. even though i prefer one intimidating
sick sentinel
There are other better ones at that tier
rapid wren
hey guys i main blood rn and i was looking for a good alt. do you think prot is decent enough atm? thank you
eager hollow
what trinkets do u have
eager hollow
from these 4 i would use eye and engine
wheat temple
Alo folks. Just need some feedback. Currently iLvl 378. Is this too much crit? (Ignore the haste, got Into the fray on. )
sweet kettle
@wheat temple check the #268491842637660160
Q: How much of <insert stat here> do I need? How do my stats look?
A: You do not need a certain amount of any particular stat, nor do you need or want a certain distribution of stats. You simply want the most amount of total stats possible. That means going for item level.
wheat temple
Oh, oh. Okay. My bad... but thanks I'll take a looook. :p
sweet kettle
yw
wraith iron
Can someone tell me what our tank is doch ng wrong(if it is him)? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YnjHFwy2x7GcL1dJ#boss=2268&difficulty=4&wipes=1 he dies so fast
modest wedge
cant see timeline but he doesnt use spell reflect
if he has bleed debuff, he should use it
also #449510248579858432
wraith iron
Ah ok thx and sry
sick sentinel
Spell reflect does nothing on bleeds wtf
sick sentinel
It's conclave
modest wedge
seems like im incompetent too, wrong boss
wintry ermine
huh, didn't know you could reflect on grong ๐ฎ
rapid tide
Yeee
sick sentinel
You can
rapid tide
When he grabs you before throwing ๐
If you take the last tank hit from the combo just SR
Or basically just SR when he starts combo
๐
It's up every combo anyways.
rapid tide
Weirdly enough it's not, it's an actual reflectable "spell"
You are still getting grabbed and thrown but no dot means chill time.
Really hard to die to it that way ๐
sick sentinel
You just hang out for a bit
wintry ermine
that has been the only thing which has done any real damage to me on grong, that makes everything so much better ๐ฎ
modest wedge
remember to charge at your co-tank if fear is not coming with safeguard ;)
when flying
rapid tide
depends, iirc it changes impact location or?
And as it's fall off dmg you could majorly fk your raid with that ๐ค
modest wedge
๐ค
rapid tide
But not sure, never tried ๐
wintry ermine
is there a list of reflectable stuff in BoD?
wintry ermine
didnt see anything in the tank notes
rapid tide
Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet - https://goo.gl/Tb49B3
wintry ermine
awesome, thanks! ๐
rapid tide
yw
grim berry
Hello guys, is overwhelming power relevant as a tank ?
rapid tide
Depends on your definition of relevant.
Is it good? For damage, ye. Is it worse than it is on a dps? Ye.
Is it bad? Nah.
Are there better options? Probably for most circumstances outside dps.
grim berry
Like i wasn't sure if i should take this one or elemental whirl
rapid tide
What's the third option?
grim berry
The dodge one
rapid tide
For defensive the dodge one is your best choice then.
Offensively it's OP probably over Tradewinds.
grim berry
Nice, ty very much for your time and your answers ! Have a nice day ๐
rapid tide
Same to you!
sick sentinel
@grim berry op is the best in all occasions
Mobs can't deal damage to you if they are dead
red sun
๐ do you guys think a 400 ritual bandages w/ avoidance is worth using over 400 rezans eye?
modest wedge
nope. ritual bandage is like another IP and its even worse
signal plover
There's very few things worth using over a 400 rezans
open field
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dvR7wDM8iSMC4ntGnjzyu1 Am I using the right trinkets or should I use some dps trinkets? Asking cause the eye is pretty low ilvl
red sun
Ok thanks!
vocal nimbus
Dont sim yet
Its still a WIP version and the results it shows are far from accurate
open field
I dont care about the sim just asking what trinkets i should use
Mainly playing m+ as tank
vocal nimbus
Just write down your options
signal plover
We don't rly know what others u have? I'm not seeing additional trinkets in the sim results on mobile
vocal nimbus
What kind of m+ too
short nest
hey guys anyone here who could take a look on the logs of our warri tank? it seems there r some issus but im not warri xped enough to check it
vocal nimbus
Try #449510248579858432 @short nest
open field
Ok I have a 370 Veiled Eye - 385 Bandage - 380 Dread Glads Badge - 380 Vial with haste gem - 415 Birny Barnacle the other trinkets should be not interesting I am usually using the tank trinkets
vocal nimbus
I'd use briny and vial
open field
oh wow really
vocal nimbus
Ye
modest wedge
briny and vial ez
uneven mason
Ugh, sim postings
Beginning of the end
We need that msg in the header to be bigger, and bright flashing red and orange
and it should read "YOU CAN'T SIM DEFENSIVELY"
signal plover
He wasn't rly asking about the sim at all, just trinket use
short nest
does shielblock works for the Kimbul dot in dazar alor?
tardy berry
Not the dot nah
That shit will apply
And you will cry
Because prot warriors are bad at dealing with dots xD
short nest
yeah sure it will apply but is i a reduction for the dot himself?
uneven mason
no block doesn't reduce bleeds
short nest
kk thx
vocal nimbus
You have to heal through the bleed
short nest
how warris survie this then?
uneven mason
@tardy berry Prot isn't any worse at dealing with DoTs than any other tank
vocal nimbus
Using absorbs and flat % reductions help
uneven mason
IP works wonders
infact IP works more wonders than any one else except for a BDK using CDs to heal the damage back
tardy berry
I think we are though, due to our lack of on demand self healing
vocal nimbus
You have on demand absorbs
uneven mason
more than 50% really
short nest
so shieldblock for the inital dmg and then spam IP before the next inital comes?
tardy berry
Ah, I may be underestimating IP
uneven mason
yeah common problem
vocal skiff
What do you folks use, if anything, to track your rage
vocal nimbus
@short nest you still have to block because the boss is hitting you with melees
You play as always just healers have to be paying attention to you
Its the most dangerous part of the fight
short nest
kk thy for the answers
lusty grotto
haha
uneven mason
I Learned that at my work
I'd produce these reports
and it was all numbers
and they'd just kind've never check the data
or do anything with it so I was like "Why am I doing this"
and then they're like "WE NO KNOW NUMBARRS"
so I went ok, Children's book time "Here have a picture"
uneven mason
I even made a graph for my guild during M Vectis
showing the stacks we should have at any given point
and the stacks that we DID have
(and who was bad)
actually made people go "OHHH, I'm bad, I should work on that"
went from going to into the 2nd intermission with people at 9+ stacks
to going into 2nd intermission with 4 people at 7 stacks and the rest at like 2
๐ no little adds on a kill feels gud
lusty grotto
lol
sick sentinel
I joined a guild that had vectis on farm so I never saw the little adds
rapid tide
My guild would not go "Ohh, I'm bad I should work on that" but rather "wtf, stop pretending you are like a good player or sth, calling out people is bullshit"
:' )
uneven mason
yeah
lusty grotto
rofl, thats generally the case
uneven mason
I got given shit for my little spreadsheet graph
cause it was calling people out
but
If no one ever says anything
rapid tide
I mean. Our RL made the rule that noone can be called out on individual mistakes anymore ๐คท
uneven mason
the folks who keep messing up, won't realize that they're the reason why the guild can't down a boss
rapid tide
(I have to add that we are not exactly getting any progress done :' ) )
lusty grotto
"excuse me sir, but you need to use shield block more", "U WOT M8"
yeah that's a silly rule
rapid tide
I mean it's bullshit to call someone out mid pull and tell them they suck or sth.
sick sentinel
We had that rule as well
rapid tide
But like.. addressing issues people individually have should always be fair game.
sick sentinel
Was super bullshit
sick sentinel
Calling out people during pulls is not ok
rapid tide
Definitely not.
sick sentinel
But in between pulls tho...
rapid tide
But like we aren't allowed to even tell the RL about issues after pulls basically.
sick sentinel
I dropped some whispers
rapid tide
Like it's... you see an issue? Ignore it.
lusty grotto
I mean, when my guild was active... we called out shit during the fight, usually people fixed it on the run
rapid tide
Or like make a general thing like "I think we might have to be more careful to not put aoe circles in the middle of the group"
inner sail
Hey guys, i finally started to get my warrior back into protection
rapid tide
Good choice Mau! ๐
inner sail
what are commonly the best traits or any in depth info regarding protection traits etc
lusty grotto
icy veins guide
sick sentinel
rapid tide
You best check out #268491842637660160 where you can find the icy-veins guide ๐
inner sail
ah great!
rapid tide
It's quite detailed on that part
inner sail
Thanks ๐
rapid tide
Yw!
sick sentinel
If you have any further questions, ask away
lusty grotto
i kinda have a problem with NOT calling out specific people that way Aesri
with the whole general statement
uneven mason
AFter you read it, you may come back here and take the 30 question quiz, after that we'll do the vision and hearing test, and if you pass you can have your ๐ก card
lusty grotto
because usually people just don't listen
rapid tide
"We might have a healing problems, tanks are dying to damage that just has to be healed"
And every healer says to themselves: Not on me
sick sentinel
Well, when doing mythic grong I was calling out "cast went through from ranged"
Etc
We changed interrupt order and killed the boss
rapid tide
I mean, everyone does a mistake. Being called out does not equal getting trashed or anything.
It's just a note. Take it as such.
Do it better next time and noone will call you out again.
I don't get it why people have problems with that.
I've been called out often enough for fking up shit.
lusty grotto
i dont get it either
like if you're mythic raiding you should be focused enough on your performance
that you actually got invited into it
so if you fuck up, you want to fix it
uneven mason
Well the issue is, some folks literally focus on their parses
and not mechanics
like if you're doing 9bajillion DEEPUS but die in the first 2 minutes
you're damage literally just dropped to 0 for the ENTIRE FIGHT to me
lusty grotto
"can't dps when you're dead"
uneven mason
after you get the boss on farm
rapid tide
๐
signal plover
Lel