Didnt know that was a thing
#protection
queen valley
safe wharf
how would i go about linking a log to review and see how much more improvement i can make on grong?
cause he annihilated our tanks on heroic today.
undone sun
good luck with that
safe wharf
okay thank you
it actually looks like it was just the fact that our tactic involed taking 2 bites if it happened
rapid tide
Dang, tfw I sim higher for prot with Bonded Souls > DC :^)
sick sentinel
Yeah but dc aoe
rapid tide
I mean, I was not thinking about replacing DC.
Just found it funny that on a pure ST it simsl ower ๐
Although I think my sim is broken anyways, I sim 12k on quicksim and 8.9k on gear compare taking the quick sim profile
I think stats are missing there or something, no idea.
weary nacelle
what do you guys think about bloodsport currently? I've played with 2x of these and that was a little over 10k more dmg reduction added to IP. Almost 60k dmg reduction, and it felt pretty nice. What do you guys think?
ebon hound
Leech + 300k Claps is sexy
rapid tide
Bloodsport is quite nice against magic damage.
Other traits pull ahead against pure physical and also give dmg.
Dang Kaege.
outer dew
For m+ or raid settng?
safe wharf
any opinions of running a BoM for raiding to help with opening? that cheeky free ignore pain
thorny laurel
Is deafening crash damage wise one of the best traits in m+?
warm plinth
Eh, there are probably better options after the first one. Bastion of Might is probably the best one to stack for damage.
thorny laurel
Ye I got that 3 times
I have 3 azerite that can give me both bastion of might and DC
manic perch
is it worth taking callous reprisal if the piece is an ilvl upgrade? 390 > 400 ?
losing Iron Fortress
warm plinth
No trait is worth losing ilevel for except the first Deafening Crash trait. Beyond that it should be ilevel>everything
manic perch
mkay thought so thanks
next goblet
what spell reflectable on the first boss in dazar?
ionic fern
#268491842637660160 prot warrior section->Reflectable/blockable sheet
undone sun
|| none ||
ionic fern
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day..teach him how to fish and you'll feed him for lifetime. @undone sun
๐
undone sun
๐
next goblet
sorry
lavish oracle
Good thing those spoilers were there, I'm not caught up on #268491842637660160 yet.
undone sun
๐
warm plinth
I hope no one ever actually puts a spoiler behind a spoiler tag because I click on every fucking one of them.
rapid tide
Can you do like a spoiler in a spoiler?
warm plinth
Yeah I was gonna say, mods probably would use that to make sure people aren't hiding porn or some shit behind them
undone sun
yeah @warm plinth
safe wharf
crap wrong pic
safe wharf
i cri every time
safe wharf
rapid tide
I'd personally go rage + diamond probably.
rapid tide
20 ilvl + socket is big although I dislike RAGE ๐
safe wharf
i use R.A.G.E. + everchill anchor in pvp with 3 O.P.s
well for fury
i just wasn't sure it was too good for raiding.
final mist
It's essentially a Haste stick, which means it's pretty good for us.
safe wharf
also i have almost 1600 haste. i feel like socketing haste is overkill at this point. should i start socketing mastery?
safe wharf
so me having only 2 pieces that aren't haste>whatever is good lol
old zephyr
i got so few haste and so many vers, I'm sad
final mist
Our secondaries are extremely close, with Haste being the best.
safe wharf
which actually makes me want to ask if blood rite is better for us than bloodrite then?
final mist
Which is why you never stop going for Haste, but still take ilevel.
Bloodrite is okay, but it won't beat spec specifics.
old zephyr
Blood sport is on the low end of te good prot traits
final mist
Bloodsport is extremely underrated, Blood Rite is decent.
safe wharf
i'm gonna continue using bloodsport then
i feel like the 730 haste + the refracting trinket is stronger thana bloodsport
final mist
Bloodsport doesn't give you any DPS, whereas Blood Rite will.
safe wharf
that's whata i meant. i'm being silly tonight with my words
weary nacelle
i personally find bloodsport great. Its a pure 5k dmg reduc on each stack, and you can easily get 2 or 3 of this trait and boost up your IP even more. And since IP is not on global cd, it just fits perfect.
Raiding wise there is so much magic damage and things to avoid or get hit by, IP really gives me confidence there. I pull out 60k IPs and i like it. Of course, that's only my opinion, fellas. Test it on your end to figure out if its good for you.
silk mortar
Doesnt it give a good amount of leech aswell?
final mist
The leech is inconsequential.
weary nacelle
i find the leech a bit 'meh' . We are not as self-healing class so having a little amount of leech doesn't really change much, nor it saves your life.
silk mortar
Well wouldnt matter now when its explosive week anyway
weary nacelle
inconsequential is probably the best way to describe it.
silk mortar
Free healing
final mist
Bloodsport on a 400 ilevel piece is 37 Leech, which is less than 1% Leech. It's literally inconsequential.
final mist
I mean, it's cool, but the important bit is the fact that it's such a large increase to each IP and each one stacks per trait.
weary nacelle
i just use bloodsport for the additional ip reduction, its 5-6k per trait for me at this point.
final mist
I.E. if you had 3 at 400 ilevel, you have an extra 16.5k added on to every IP.
weary nacelle
exactly
final mist
Bloodsport is incredibly underrated.
safe wharf
it's more than 5k though. it's closer to 7.5k because of the inherent dmg reduction of IP
weary nacelle
im constantly relying on IP and using it
so i love bloodsport
been testing it and using it for a while, so i agree its underrated. I just like it.
final mist
THat's incorrect Fuzee, it literally just adds on the stated amount to your IP absorb.
final mist
IP's DR is a flat 50% of whatever it is, Bloodsport just adds another flat amount to that absorb.
old zephyr
Maybe I should spec into bloddsport to top DPS and healing metters ๐
weary nacelle
Sal is right and that flat amount is what makes it great
warm plinth
My current IP is 23.4k; 3 Bloodsports is 4100 damage per trait on a 370 azerite piece. So if I had 3x Bloodsport, I would essentially be adding 12,300, or 52.5% to my IPs
That's massive
silk mortar
Imagine a 415
silk mortar
Imagine next raid tier ๐จ
warm plinth
Yeah, I'm only 369 and only have a 370 with Bloodsport on it; I had to use what I had ๐
final mist
I have a 400 piece with it, it adds 5.5k.
weary nacelle
same here, got 2x 400 piece with bs
final mist
If I used it (I don't, I have a 415 DC /BoM chest) on my Opulence kill, I'd have had another ~300k worth of IP.
warm plinth
Definitely a very nice survival boost
final mist
Of which I had 1,7mil already.
That's not a small amount.
The tradeoff being, of course, that Bloodsport has no offensive value, which all of our other traits do, to some extent.
weary nacelle
something that came to surprise for me yesterday was the Rallying cry trait. Being part of the very last ring (prior the ilvl one), i had no other good options but to go with 2x Rally traits. After doing a quick test it seems that I do provide 15% hp boost as default from Rally, and then also 2x 8000 more from the two traits, so thats total of 16k more hp. I like this honestly. It makes our Rally just a stronger raid cd, even though its only a health boost, it saves lives and helps healers. So that 15% + 16k flat more hp combined.
Which is just nice compared to having "you heal for 1.5k after an enemy dies nearby" for example ๐
ebon hound
The Rally trait is huge in a raid
rapid tide
Idd, having one of them is really pleasent.
The prolonged duration alone is nice the extra health is just a cherry ๐
vocal canopy
which traits are the best in the ingi head for m + ?
floral tinsel
@vocal canopy 8.1 ring: You need one DC in your gear in total.. take that if you can't get it from the other Azerite slots. Otherwise use BS (decent defensive trait)
Outer Ring: Relational Normalization Gizmo is overall best (but you would much rather have a warrior trait here from a different helm)
Middle ring: Ablative Shielding is decent. Overwhelming power works in raids, but I would not use for m+
Inner ring: Personal Absorb-o-Tron.... Necrotic week: Auto-Self-Cauterizer
@vocal canopy edited for clarity
silk mortar
Generally not your best option but depends on what you have
floral tinsel
It's strong defensivly... but you would preffer it to be something else
silk mortar
Not bad however
floral tinsel
And yes.. I would take Bloodsport over a 2nd DC.
This might differ if you are extremely competetive m+ runner at super high rio where every single little DPS counts... me and my group are not there yet, and where pushing 14's last week and most of the time gains where had from makeing bigger pulls at witch point you will miss some interrupts on casters and have spell reflect on cooldown at witch point bigger IP's are huge... you generate a shitton of rage on big pulls in m+ so the added survivability is noticable. Also you live and breathe on BoM that gives you free IP casts on top of everything
summer kestrel
Op works on m+ too
It has DR on how much stacks per second you can lose
Best trait everywhere
quick elk
guessing i should keep howler regardless, but what other one should i use for myhtic + and raids
pearl dew
Knot/Howler if those are your only options.
summer kestrel
Knot and bowsandi
Double use its not nice
And you get knot in basically every avatar
lucid bough
for m+ b.bargain is trash
fallow beacon
what do we reckon lads for prot
quick elk
its the only trinkets i have . ๐ฆ thought the str was reason enough. thanks all i thought was knot was too offensive to use for survivability but will try it now
fallow beacon
leaning towards the socket over the 10ilvl
fringe marten
So, you can have a piece of gear with a magic bonus on it...that bonus is 40 permanent haste, or... 7 mastery +186 str every 90 seconds.
Which magic effect would you prefer?
floral tinsel
haste is slightly better than mastery
but you can sim it really... as both provide about equal defensive benefits
tardy berry
haste is far better defensively imho
it translates directly into better rage generation
floral tinsel
My guess is that the socet has such a high weight that the socet option wins out
depending on slot a socket is worth 5-15 ilvl.
sick sentinel
@floral tinsel op is good even in mplus my dude
floral tinsel
Thats what I said.. it is really worth it on my level of play at least (pushed 14's last week)
rapid tide
The socket definitely beats it here. You get +186 str, even if you would get full benefit for the 18s that would only be 36 str on average.
sick sentinel
"Middle ring: Ablative Shielding is decent. Overwhelming power works in raids, but I would not use for m+ "
rapid tide
Oh also that was long ago. Yikes, I am slow.
floral tinsel
And in raids it's even better, given the high incomeing magic dmg and bleeds on bosses 5 through 8
@sick sentinel Ahh.. lol.. I misunderstood
OP.. right... its not bad, but worse then Ablative Shielding as you tend to loose your stacks of OP as fast as you gain them in m+
sick sentinel
Well the thing is, in my experience of mplus you are either full hearth or dead
So abrasive abrative shielding is not that much
And my causes of death are mostly magic damage (and misplays by me)
Overwhelming power is a lot better IMO
floral tinsel
what level of keys.. at 12-14 keys you are rarely killed outright... I donno if shielding actually gives that much extra survival, but it at least procs very often.. OP obviously procs a lot, but your stacks tend to fall off immidietly also
I tried to track both a little
sick sentinel
I was pushing 16s last week, did a 17ML and KR
floral tinsel
they both seem very incosecuential compared to traits in other rings overall
surreal plover
Hopefully someone can help, I have a question with our mitigation as Prot warrior. Do you keep SB on CD when tanking and weave an IP over it when you don't have SB available? And how often do you use your LS/SW. Did a 12 last night and had a really hard time with my damage intake.
sick sentinel
You can use SB 3x and then use LS to let SB recover
floral tinsel
You keep SB up over 90% of the time.. and try to pad the time you lack stacks of SB through bolstering talent on Last Stand
sick sentinel
In case you have both SB and LS at cd
floral tinsel
IP is more of decent rage dump for extra survivability
sick sentinel
Use SW
floral tinsel
or just kite for a few seconds until you get your next SB
sick sentinel
You can also min max your block duration a bit if you stun with shockwave when your sb is running out
floral tinsel
aka.. jump away and come back
sick sentinel
And use SB again when they come off stun
floral tinsel
Stuns through shockwave and Storm bolt are also nice to cover holes in active mitigation... just do a evaluation on the fly if its better used this way or you use it as an interrupt
surreal plover
I tend to use IP only on magic attacks I can't block when SR is on CD
sick sentinel
If you don't overlap SB with LS your block should be up all the time
floral tinsel
Generally you have A LOT of shield block uptime between haste from the tier 1 talent, the two stacks you start with and Last Stand
floral tinsel
Usually I can do 3xSB -> LS -> 2xSB ... and then I get in a situation where I have to get creative
floral tinsel
given that SB lasts 6s and LS 15s.... that's 45 seconds of active mitigation...
wintry ermine
wish I had some bloodsports for jadefire masters ๐
rapid tide
Wish I was a BRM for JFM :^)
surreal plover
Thanks for the info, seems like I will be cleaning out my UI ๐
sick sentinel
I use a different iteration of Marok's because o I like bars
And not really care more about how much IP I have in relation to my cap I have
And not exactly how much in numbers
Because sometimes the play is to cap (if you are at like 40%)
But sometimes you wait for the hit and then you press ip (if you're like at 70% or above)
wintry ermine
didn't they fix the reflect bug?
sick sentinel
Is it a bug?
wintry ermine
I reflected a lot of them yesterday and they didn't explode on the boss (boss didn't get the debuff)
sick sentinel
Idk I haven't done tested at yet
If I was not be a trial I would nuke my raid for shits and giggles but rn I don't have the privilege to do it
slate vine
Hi Boyz, had a quick question regarding JFM, do you guys do the LoS trick and hide in the living bombs to not get dmg and stacks from the mage or do you just go all out with your cooldowns on that phase ? I found myself having issues dealing with the amount of dmgs tank get after going down from the multi strikes combo ?
rustic zodiac
what do u guys thinks is best for raiding? Elemental whirl or Lifespeed? (I have gutripper aswell but idk if is it good)
hollow thorn
Lifespeed
rustic zodiac
ty
primal crypt
@hollow thorn you're on Draenor right?
hollow thorn
Ye
hollow thorn
Peeped me ๐ what does that mean
sick sentinel
Hot.
hollow thorn
Dont peep at my Opu log
sick sentinel
You know when you say to somebody to not do something
sick sentinel
Seen't it
river marsh
Hey boys, quick question, on gronk if I use intervention on my mate tank who is about to get hit by bestial smash and I still have myself the smash debuff will I get owned?
river marsh
Thought so, ty mate
sick sentinel
Haven't tried it for research purposes but this is how it has been working forever
slate vine
Tried it week 1, didn't work at all
sick sentinel
Did you get away from them, outside of the intervene range?
wary gyro
You start by going to the fury channel
primal crypt
Oh shush
primal crypt
Go eat puppies
wary gyro
Have you tried smashing harder
hollow thorn
did 25k in a freehold overall
slate vine
@sick sentinel Nah, I made sure to stay nearby. But for some reason it didn't worked
Thought it would tho, since I already used it successfully on Zek'voz
steady fiber
hi guys, should i swap 385 ilvl azerite gear to 400 ? asking bcs gona lose 3 BoM gona have 1 BoM 1 Dc 1 IF 1 Blood 1x Bounded souls
or that is Ok
๐ค
primal crypt
Why bounded souls
steady fiber
Dunno thought it's good
floral tinsel
@steady fiber Yes, Ilvl is very high priorety as long as you have a DC and a BoM in both setups
primal crypt
It's ok to lose bom for ilvl
steady fiber
well i lose 3 bom 1 IF 1 Reveng
floral tinsel
you are only loosing two of them
primal crypt
We meme spec and say never lose triple bom
steady fiber
for bound i can change it to shield block one
floral tinsel
as long as you have at least the first.. it is tottaly fine
(the first one with the added value of a free IP)
primal crypt
@steady fiber it's ok to swap, the only time we emphasize triple bom or triple dc is when we're meme thunder clapping in dungeons
Raid wise you can see defensive tier list on icy veins
Our prot specific traits are good to use over the generic traits unlike DKs, where they prioritize generic traits over spec specific
hollow thorn
Is DC still worth 15 ilvls?
primal crypt
Just 1
old zephyr
Dk is a dead class....
Badum tsss
primal crypt
Morning mac
uneven mason
morning Yamo
primal crypt
Did an atal yesterday
uneven mason
get a Rez?
steady fiber
and bound souls are worth to use or lame ?
primal crypt
With friend tanking on alt prot pally
uneven mason
Pretty lame Pk
primal crypt
378 peot pally
uneven mason
I mean its not shit
primal crypt
Asked me, is this good
uneven mason
NO GIVE
old zephyr
Lol
uneven mason
lol
primal crypt
I almost flipped my desk
He couldnt even trade
That was the first thing I asked
DOES IT SAY SOULBOUND??
steady fiber
so it's not worth to stack bound if i get it right ?
uneven mason
no, stack prot traits
steady fiber
No they changed it, now if ur eq gear is lower ilvl u cant give it
Like if u got 1 trinket 355 and other 420 and u get 420 and u dnt need it u can't give it
primal crypt
oh I know @steady fiber
steady fiber
it's "Anti Boost mechanic"
primal crypt
That's why it's memes right now
Because he was on his alt
And had no idea what he got
old zephyr
Well method did boost their roster with 6 splitruns so...
jolly wasp
Guys what do you think of these rings? I'd say the ones I have equipped are better, but what do you think
uneven mason
more = more
primal crypt
And put 37 haste on the 410
uneven mason
๐
uneven mason
so I got a 400 Zandalari empire
and I was like neat, just need that cloak
and my wife is like I GOT ONE TOO (420 stocket with avoidance)
jolly wasp
but socket is worth more than 10 ilvl on rings right?
uneven mason
F
steady fiber
btw what's better from rings, 314 haste 144 crit (400ilvl) haste 164 vers 295 (400ilvl), 286 haste 181 mastery (405ilvl) ?
primal crypt
Yeah
uneven mason
more is better Pkownz
hollow thorn
Crit mastery is like worst stats, id stay with the haste/vers rings
uneven mason
but between the two 400ilvl rings
the high haste one
will be better for smoothing
primal crypt
Yup, you still get more haste off the 405
uneven mason
Deattu our stats are like 0.01% apart over time
so
"crit mastery is liek the worst stat"
isn't really true
since mastery and crit are very good at what they do
hollow thorn
more haste = more claps = more dmg
hollow thorn
more vers = each clap hits harder 
uneven mason
you're getting it
hollow thorn
its all about the claps
uneven mason
more crit = more 
uneven mason
I already perfected crit
I've moved on to mastery
for them big D crit blocks
or should I say
B VALUE
uneven mason
It is in our hearts
uneven mason
ArP/Bvalue stacking PVP during WOTLK
primal crypt
LUL
uneven mason
Shield slam became a "delete enemy" button
uneven mason
ilvl 105 trinket, wore it at engame ICC
primal crypt
Nothing beat bvalue
uneven mason
course I didn't know ilvl
primal crypt
Ever
uneven mason
I just knew it had on use "delete" levels of damage for my SS
So was tanking HC Meccatorq lastnight
and felt like I was actually taking damage
whats up with that
first time in the raid that I've felt like "pressing buttons" was required
even Mythic jadefire doesn't do noticeable damage until they transform
old zephyr
he does ramping magical damage
floral tinsel
sure, but it makes the whole series of parryies and critical blocks more fun
I could obviously filter out the paladin ๐
uneven mason
old zephyr
Isn't coinsweep supposed to be a tank swap machanic?
manic perch
what does the A R M satnd for?
floral tinsel
@old zephyr yes it is.. does like 500k damage on Mythic ๐
vocal nimbus
Supposedly yez
uneven mason
607k
floral tinsel
But you can critical block it.. and you can parry it ๐
uneven mason
B Block A Absorb R Raw M Mitigated
floral tinsel
Witch is why those logs are hilarious
old zephyr
I've not been to MM yet, but on HM I'm pretty sure I solo tanked it....
floral tinsel
and yeah @uneven mason Thats some amazing fetid parries
old zephyr
I was staring at my debuff, where is the 200% thing
uneven mason
Basically they had to made coin sweep parry/dodgeable
there isn't a 200% thing
its your diamond
old zephyr
Oh
uneven mason
it absorbs 50% Damage
when its depleted
you take 100%
on HC
your diamond will never deplete
old zephyr
Why would i use a depleting diamond when my armor never deplete?
floral tinsel
depends on how lucky you are at parrying/crit blocking wether or not your diamond depletes, but yeah... HC is like half the damage of mythic anyway, so you technically don't need to take the diamond
Why would i use a depleting diamond when my armor never deplete?
old zephyr
I have to admit I kinda brainDead all HC.
I'm already WAY overgearing it
floral tinsel
^^
old zephyr
I loved yesterday, when healer said : Dude paku is at 40 stacks you are taking too much damge
astral crystal
Mythic tank damage isnโt that much higher
floral tinsel
The coin sweep is
old zephyr
it's been 2 minutes since he reached the 40 stacks lol
astral crystal
Talking about in general
wintry ermine
@uneven mason
floral tinsel
true, but the healers are more stressed in other ways as well on mythic... so at least in our guild I feel mythic tank damage a lot more as there is less overhealing (we arent really cutting edge... made 7/8 Uldir and probably wont make it 9/9 this tier either)....
old zephyr
450K damage on mythic coin sweep.
so 120K a hit if not parried/critblocked
without jewel
doesn't look that bad
fetid trashes used to hit harder
old zephyr
there is the saying that goes "if you have to ask, then you already know the answer"
old zephyr
Gonk Kimbul Paku Akunda
young perch
Guys why do I feel like I never have enough rage
modern brook
:/ We're having issues where paku and kumbul's tank mechanics are lining up awkardly
is that normal or are we retarded
royal marten
pretty normal, just gotta make sure kimbul's looking away
old zephyr
wait what tank mechanic?
royal marten
and laugh at the dps that stands in front of him
young perch
Like it feels like I can go forever without getting an ignore pain off. Iโm not blowing rage on revenge. Iโm shield slamming and thunder clapping / devastate on CD
old zephyr
@modern brook do you have a dwarf tank?
royal marten
You're not hitting revenge when you don't have a proc are you?
young perch
No
royal marten
๐ค
young perch
Just feels like Iโm always starved. Whatโs your up time on IP feel like?
I feel like Iโm maybe 40%
old zephyr
if you don't some people 3 tank it to avoid weirds overlaps
modern brook
we have 2
royal marten
About the same, really. Shield block is generally more important to have a good uptime on providing you're in a scenario where shield block is useful
old zephyr
well
modern brook
just stoneblood the 2ns lacerate?
young perch
What difficulty conclave?
royal marten
when tanking that I stoneform four stacks for the most amount of time, as soon as the 4th hits clear
old zephyr
and warrior can block paku melee, so you can ingnore that as well
if needed, Intercept a melee, have him taunt to reset and taunt back
deending on your raid DPS
we do that on pull, to kill gonk before first Bird
doing it on kimbul s fine as well
modern brook
So when kimbul and paku is up
I grab paku
cotank grabs kimbul
and we just hold them?
no swaps?
old zephyr
kinda
if paku start to hit too hard for your healers, just intercept a mele and have him take 1 auto to reset
kimbul should die before the dot become a problem
weary nacelle
actually kimbul hits pretty hard with 2+ debuffs, so you should swap. Talking about Heroic or above
modern brook
we have dwarf tanks to purge the bleed
royal marten
it buys time, but depending on dps may have to do at least one swap
modern brook
tyty @old zephyr
old zephyr
yw
honest canopy
Heya friends
I dont have Brace or Bastion traits
just got mekka shoulders
Wich should i prio?
sand egret
between those two: brace for raid and bastion for m+. If youโre cheap, Id go Bastion.
old zephyr
First bastion is decent for raid
uneven mason
Mastery oomph blocks
steel mauve
Brace would still be better for raids, but if you do m+ i also suggest just getting bastion unless you are rich and dont care to respec every time, since bastion is massive for m+
astral crystal
Is the treacherous covenant the one that makes you take more damage under a certain %?
last loom
astral crystal
If so, avoid
astral crystal
Iโd go IF for most situations, IP if youโre doing magic heavy stuff
IF is generally better though
modern brook
I hate CR so much :^(
it simultaneously feels too unimpactful and yet i never want to see it drop :^(
ebon hound
Dude same
willow lotus
CR?
ebon hound
Callous Reprisal, Revenge trait
mellow bridge
I like CR for M+ since youre gonna be spending a lot of rage on revenge anyway in my experience
but for raids it feels pretty meh
brisk ferry
narrow nest
lovely prot warrior ppl, 'bonded souls' - where related to the ranking of Azerittraits, both Raid and M +? 1. DC, 2. BfI, 3. Iron, 4. BS, 5. BoM, 6. Reprisal? Where can I place that trait in the list? ๐
modern brook
415 bonded souls is roughly 100 effective haste + a heal
narrow nest
at the moment I got 'bonded souls' at my chest and at my shoulders activated, both 390gs
modern brook
Personally i dont like bonded souls
narrow nest
but I could change to Iron at shoulders
modern brook
I know other ppl in this channel will argue for it
I think prot-specific traits are all better than generic options
steel mauve
Bonded souls is decent but still beaten out by prot specific traits
floral tinsel
I don't think you will find many who disagree with that statement
narrow nest
all right, thank you guys
steel mauve
Pretty much prot specific traits beat any generic ones
And treacherous covenent is good for dps depending on the prot spec trait its fighting against
modern brook
I dont trust TC
I feel like i spend a lot of my time stablizing at around 60-70
Just dont think Tank uptime on TC would be worth the panic scenario at low life
in keys*
steel mauve
In keys its probably trash, but i only raid and do my 10 each week so im strictly speaking from a raiding stand point which i should probably mention in my original statements
steep lily
Guild is starting opulence prog. Got that 3x BoM ready :D
naive panther
Adds on opulence seem trivial in the whole scheme of the encounter. Now if only you could stop people from getting one shot on the way there.
I only have one bom now unless I drop ilvl. But I have my one dc and lots of the other strong defensive traits. Curious what triple bom is like though.
wary gyro
Triple bom is for big dick damage
wary gyro
The engineering helmet is pretty solid tbh
analog swift
I mean on blood mallet barrage is the highest simming dps trait
wary gyro
Isn't barrage better on adds than st
lusty grotto
yeah
naive panther
I use lightning capac
It is ahead on st. Slightly behind on aoe. But also has a defensive component
Not much can beat it
wise mirage
What are really good tank warrior azerite traits for mythic +?
lusty grotto
icy veins guide -> azerite section
2nd list is M+
i dont even see lightning capacitor in bloodmallet
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in neither scenario
sick sentinel
gismo is better in most occasions though
modern brook
@fierce juniper do you know the status of prot sims by any chance?
can we start 
spamming questions yet?
lusty grotto
i think Sal was talking about it yesterday
uneven mason
there is a pushed wip
fierce juniper
They're mostly functional now. APL still needs to be updated.
so no i wouldn't tell people to start simming just yet
modern brook
So I can trust them for mongo DPS pushing?
fierce juniper
uhh
modern brook
or should i hold off
fierce juniper
probably
I don't think anyone has tested it in depth yet
err well
no you cant trust them for DPS
modern brook
:^(
fierce juniper
because the APL is still out of date
but if you know how to write an APL you can probably sim to a decent degree of accuracy
modern brook
โค I don't but im sure i can figure it out between my college degree and youtube tutorials
thank you :^)
lucid bough
oh man the opulence trinket is so cool
the cd gets reduced by haste
and the shield increases with versa
only noticed now
lusty grotto
yeah, we knew
modern brook
I'll be excited with you astra
steel mauve
Coin opulence every week, finally got loot, got my pwincess crown ๐ญ
sick sentinel
the prettiest, prettiest princess
royal marten
burger king crown is great
the food gem you can get doesn't break on damage either
Have to be out of combat, but hey
muted vine
burger king ๐
it got to a point where i dont play the game instead I just hand around here and chat
๐ค
chilly brook
Welcome to the club lol
lusty grotto
hey griff
did you see they put a certain lord
in apex
rofl
lord caustic
or should i say
lord sco-ustic
oblique garnet
how much residuum do you get for scrapping a 400?
naive panther
@lusty grotto synaptic spark. It shows up in hectic. But not patch because prot sims suck. Itโs above st for others
sick sentinel
like 105 or something
uneven mason
gonna be making bank off that first boss in mythic
4/4 plate wearers have their chest piece in my guild already
so no reason to hand it off hah
oblique garnet
i need the first boss chest
prisma viper
Did they not scale Island Expiditions for S2? Even caster heavy islands are total faceroll now?
oblique garnet
Some things will still fuck you up
uneven mason
I haven't had any problems on my warrior for S2 isles, my DK has problems if I do them as Unholy
unkempt moon
Hi, Do Critical block amount cap at 85%?
uneven mason
the damage reduction from critical block caps at 85% yes
unkempt moon
oki, thanks.
uneven mason
uses the same table as armor
dense flame
Love explosive week for massive self healing
uneven mason
mhmm
uneven mason
I mean
We can't have everything
BDK main in my guild won't do more than 1 key this week
dense flame
In whining child voice โbut I want itโ
sand egret
eh, explosive week sucks. the free VR is fun and all, but pulling any big pulls can turn into a dumb game of wack a mole
uneven mason
Some of us aren't made out of paper ๐
dense flame
Just get dps who swap ๐ but agreed Iโd rather straight pump.
uneven mason
make that dungeon much less fun this week
sand egret
i was running through WM last night....didn't realize my healer wasn't even with me until I got to Raal
he "got lost"
uneven mason
"follow the bodies"
sand egret
here I am like "hmm maybe this teeming/fort is kinda hard"
hushed cobalt
how hard is tanking first boss on mythic?
uneven mason
@hushed cobalt Mythic BoD first boss is pretty easy, gotta make sure to clear stacks every prayer, don't get hit by hammers/wave and don't turn your back to her. You'll notice the damage when she starts whipping you with some holy damage just remember to balance IP in there
modern brook
teeming has ruined all of my dungeons so far lol
uneven mason
yeah teeming slows it down
modern brook
just cause i forgot about the increased % requirement every time
uneven mason
gotta check the weely routs
weekly*
and use that method dungeon tools
so you make sure you get your %
uneven mason
RIP
last mason
Are any of the engi helm traits good
acoustic spire
seems so shit for tanking though, like why is it even on the loot tablew.
lusty grotto
its great for snap agro
chilly brook
@lusty grotto I unlocked caustic and Iโm pretty disappointed with him tbh
lusty grotto
does quite a bit of dmg in reaping wwaves
hushed cobalt
@uneven mason would you IP > SB when holy damage gets higher?
lusty grotto
@last mason yes engi helm traits are very good
@chilly brook he does look like lord sco right? heheh ive been using him he's pretty decent for blocking doors and flushing out house campers and bunker tunnels
chilly brook
Kinda
lusty grotto
but generally hes too situational
chilly brook
Itโs not even that really
I feel like his gas basically does no damage and is more of a detriment to your team than anything else
lusty grotto
choke point blocking on last circles man
uneven mason
@hushed cobalt no never prioritize IP over SB when actively tanking a boss
chilly brook
And the situations where it would be useful it ends up being a detriment because the team canโt do anything
Since it has negative affects for their vision as well
hushed cobalt
gotcha
lusty grotto
what ive been doing is spotting people
lusty grotto
and team just shoots at the spot
uneven mason
Well
I mean
if the boss just spams fireball at you (like, Jademageboy)
then use IP
and ignore SB
cause he never melees
lusty grotto
right there's never a situation where you have to choose IP over SB unless if it's a purely caster mob
you use both
hushed cobalt
i was wondering if there was a break point for first boss due to holy > physical
uneven mason
not before you drop stacks
lusty grotto
you should be having enough rage gains to maintain both unless if your IP is droping on 1 hit
uneven mason
just don't neglect IP
lusty grotto
and in that case SR should help out smooth it out
uneven mason
some warriors still don't realize how strong IP can be for a DR
lusty grotto
(obviously with demo up at all times if possible)
right mac
but i also feel IP spammers are also bad
hushed cobalt
and one more thing (in old man cartoon jackie chan show)
assuming equal ilvls for azerite, I have 3BoM+3DC, but got 2 pieces that have BfI+IF, which to use this week?
lusty grotto
if you have an IP up and it's not dropping fast, there's no reason to spam it unless if you're about to rage cap and don't want to revenge
for M+?
chilly brook
Jeez
lusty grotto
stay with what you have
hushed cobalt
M+ yes
chilly brook
That beings me back to Saturday morning as a kid
hushed cobalt
gotta double check if the BoM pieces have those
lusty grotto
dont drop the 3 BoM though
uneven mason
but Fort isn't funny at higher keys
yeah don't drop the 3xBoM
since the crit block from master is stronger than IF I think in M+
Also because dead mobs can't hurt you
astral crystal
Did UR 16 yesterday, those fixating adds are pretty rough
modern brook
^
astral crystal
On clothiers that is
chilly brook
Man Iโm really feelin my music choices today
astral crystal
But I gotta pull FAST
lusty grotto
so pull more of other mobs ๐
modern brook
I grab as much shit as i can without going over 1 spider.plant in a pull
lusty grotto
then just chain stun the shit outta them
astral crystal
Listen here nimchimp
lusty grotto
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sacred crater
Is it possible, through critical block, to block 100% of damage? Character sheet shows ~49.5% block for me. Curious if higher could block 100% during critical.
lusty grotto
no
modern brook
^
sacred crater
That's block amount, not chance.
stark sage
crit block maxes at 85 reduction
sacred crater
Gotcha.
lusty grotto
^
stark sage
you can stack that with shield wall/ DS/IP etc, and get close to 99%
but you wont get 100%
modern brook
But if ur a troll you can get it high enough to reinact that scene from sword art online where kirito is like hahahahah peasents i am so much stronger than u u cannot even damage me through my health regen, video games are not fair
and really what else do u need?
lusty grotto
yay
uneven mason
But you've watched it
modern brook
100%
lusty grotto
๐ข
uneven mason
BUT, YOU'VE, WATCHED, IT
modern brook
Yeah
final mist
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lusty grotto
im dissapointed
modern brook
How would i know i hate it if i havent seen it?
uneven mason
Same way everyone hates anything
uneven mason
by just being ignorant and being on the anti anime truck
final mist
Back on topic.
modern brook
sorry sal :^(
uneven mason
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lusty grotto
๐ค Mac
chilly brook
lusty grotto
yeah that hasn't changed
uneven mason
@sacred crater Basically all of our "mitigations" are multiplicative, which means there will always be a remainder
the only way to reduce to 0 is absorb or a flat reduction (but flat reductions are generally applied before mitigation)
Legion IP F
lusty grotto
that was still 90%
uneven mason
effective 100% though
lusty grotto
yeah i guess
hushed cobalt
unfortunately, the only other options are callous reprisal and sporty blood
uneven mason
bloodsport?
lusty grotto
those are tanky options though
lusty grotto
CR does DR, Bloodsport makes you tankier too
sacred crater
Much obliged for the assistance y'all.
cloud hound
at grong we can chrage mid air?
hushed cobalt
CR would replace IF
uneven mason
yes Traxter
you can intercept to a guildie
and meme stun/slam them for 100k
or just charge the boss
and hurt your cotank
lusty grotto
tsar, you said you had 3x DC and 3x BoM
modern brook
BOM DC
uneven mason
wat
hushed cobalt
equipped, i have other pieces that are BfI and IF
lusty grotto
oh i see
uneven mason
I feel we were missing information
lusty grotto
yeah
modern brook
BOM DC is the dream tbh
lusty grotto
once again, don't replace BoMx3
stay with 1x DC
what other options do you have while maintaining bomx3?
modern brook
these are all =ilvl right?
lusty grotto
and yes bull makes a good question
modern brook
We're not shield masters' we're feet masters mac
astral crystal
ye
uneven mason
hushed cobalt
keeping 3BoM, I can have 2 BS and 1DC
lusty grotto
i would do that
daring marlin
do it up
uneven mason
beat your healer
daring marlin
mad IPs
lusty grotto
hehe
hushed cobalt
you know
hushed cobalt
i dont reforge azerite, so why not
lusty grotto
for the pads
daring marlin
get out
lusty grotto
ye
modern brook
bloodsport is dope
astral crystal
yeah i actually really like bloodsport, at 400 it's like 5.5k more IP per trait
lusty grotto
yup
astral crystal
but i luv me some IF
lusty grotto
bloodsport might be better on non-dwarf bleed dungeons though :p
wat happen
did you get a 450 bwonsamdi now?
lol
uneven mason
lusty grotto
hahahha
uneven mason
๐
modern brook
I will say that BoM BS is a meh combo
lusty grotto
straight to the garbage bin
lusty grotto
gives you more time to revenge bul
uneven mason
I know its going to
lusty grotto
yikes mac
lusty grotto
ok now you're making me nauseous
uneven mason
that 400 mythrax eye TF
lusty grotto
yeah i saw
lusty grotto
oh really
uneven mason
yeah
lusty grotto
which one did you loot?
lusty grotto
ohhh
uneven mason
no mythrax eye 4 me
One of these days
I'll get a real trinket
just you see
a Rezan's or a Diamond
one day
lusty grotto
when you least expect it
hushed cobalt
there's a pvp kind-of-mythrax-eye trink that a monk in my guild got
sand egret
you're a yuck-o-rama
lusty grotto
that's true as well
final mist
Well, when you don't do content that the trinket is good for, I don't blame you for not liking using it
๐ฌ
Wait, shit, that was toxic
lusty grotto
its true
just don't like trinkets that have very specific requirements to be useful for
70% of the time, it's gonna be there doing nothing for you
sand egret
counter-argument: niche usages are probably the best use for the trinket slot
unfortunately there are so little niche trinkets
choice is moot
sand egret
ideally, the Legion M+ scene was a great example of what trinkets should turn into. But, as been shown in countless video games before, plain power > niche power
sand egret
generic trinkets that just give crit are the reason the system fails, imho
lusty grotto
but they are also harder to balance
sand egret
Personally, i'd rather be more active in my trinket choices in more of a way they want your "utility" talent tiers to function
lusty grotto
if not generic heh
neon tangle
I mean arguably a lot of the tank trinkets are like that
sand egret
yes and no, systemically not really hard. depends on how you create the system itself.
neon tangle
but people go "fuckit" and choose the dps trinkets
sand egret
yeah totally sadbox
that's the whole point
the gains are just like "not worf" or "too niche"
neon tangle
I mean, also dps is a feature
sand egret
when you got better AND univseral options
neon tangle
and with how m+ works right now, it's a very good feature
lusty grotto
well, button still exists, prot can also use grong right?
its obviously nerfed for prot but still
the rest defensive options are plain boring or jus tbad
neon tangle
I gotta eat my claims from before, I really expectecd DK/Monk to take the top spots for weeks like last week
and warriors for weeks like this
but so far less warrior presence on the leaderboard
sand egret
yeah, and Nim part of that issue is the loot system in generall
specifically, Defensive trinkets are a pain to balance when you don't have role-specific trinket locks
but this all goes back to their shift in how they want tanks/healers/dps to co-exist
neon tangle
Maybe an example would help that
lusty grotto
he means, youre able to get dps trinkets as tank now
sand egret
so a super defensive trinket is problematic, because what's preventing the WW from rocking it and abusing it elsewhere
lusty grotto
without switching loot specs
sand egret
since defensive trinkets are harder to quantify their value
lusty grotto
oh you mean class based as well?
sand egret
there are just odd-cases
neon tangle
@sand egret I sorta disagree, just like bizz makes the flat damage trinkets less good for tanks they can do the same for defensive trinkets in PvP / for dps specs
lusty grotto
noooo please no tank nerfed trinkets
honest canopy
My shield seams to never ever gett off
sand egret
i mean they can do a lot but that's a lot more overhead to solve a problem you also created
it's like sure i could get more buckets to catch the water from a leaky pipe....or just fix the pipe.
neon tangle
What would your solution be?
sand egret
actually? redefining roles in WoW
lusty grotto
what do you mean
sand egret
legit question: to illustrate a point, what's your opinion in short
lusty grotto
this has only changed as of late
back then tanks weren't there for dmg
a healer wasn't picked because he could bleed out mobs when not healing
lusty grotto
dps though... have been about utility for a while
uneven mason
I always expected my healers to do damage
if they were at full mana and just standing there
lusty grotto
i meant in the game's lifespan
uneven mason
I'd rip into them
this was back in Vanilla
sure it wasn't much
but damage was damage
lusty grotto
you didnt pick healers in TBC for their dps
sand egret
some token example answers would be like:
DPS = do as much damage as you can
Tanks = take as much damage as you can so your party doesn't have to
Healers = recover any damage the party as taken
as you've been saying, this has changed
honest canopy
You picked healer for their healing
uneven mason
this is true, you picked healers to fill niche required roles in your raid