Was big yikes
#protection
outer dew
chilly brook
Going afk in middle of boss fights because for some reason I would pull aggro off almost every cotank in ABT as a monk
Oh wait
stark sage
i remember pugging antoran high command, and i literally couldnt start dps until it was my turn to swap otherwise we would wipe due to stacks getting fucked up
chilly brook
That’s right “but I didn’t die though”
Was the excuse
Because “tanks aren’t supposed to do DPS”
oblique garnet
Yeah tell that to my 13k ST dps !!
lone karma
Hi quick question I've just logged in PTR and when entering SoB shield block has only one charge, 16 secs CD and isn't reduced by haste. That was a surprise. Is that a bug or that will be the new prot warrior?
chilly brook
Unless it’s in notes I’d say it’s a bug
modern brook
sounds like a bug to me 🤷
chilly brook
And if it’s not a bug then blizz is stupid
modern brook
more importantly if its not a bug then i was right
chilly brook
But honestly probably just a bug
modern brook
and we're gunna get nerfed into unplayability for 815
chilly brook
Especially since apparently like you said it’s only when entering SoB
modern brook
but yeah def abug
stark sage
DKs not 90% represented in m+ time to swing the hammer
chilly brook
Lul
oblique garnet
Its over bois the end of an era
chilly brook
Tru tho
modern brook
LoS wall placement
lone karma
Yah I entered SoB and noticed the change, when I relog outside it goes back to 2 charges
chilly brook
Yea so bug
lone karma
but then I reenter and WTF I lose a charge again
modern brook
yeah thats a bug
chilly brook
I mean why would you be on ptr anyways?
modern brook
🐛
oblique garnet
Blizzard is testing out how bad prot warrior would feel like with one sb
drowsy relic
nah its a change, theyre nerfing prot after method wf
modern brook
:^(
modern brook
😠
Impending victory basically makes us better blood DKs if you dont think too much about it
chilly brook
Didn’t sco say before BFA that he wanted to play prot and would if it was good “cuz my old main”
?
chilly brook
And then justwait is the one to play warrior in the new raid poggers
naive panther
The other tanks dps needsbrought up to be honest not war nerfed. Dps classes are scaling much better with gear than the rest of the tanks.
But blizzard will fail to see that and nerf war anyways
modern brook
BoM is sick:(
chilly brook
I mean they said earlier that their fear was tanks not scaling with ilvl like DPS do
So I’m pretty sure they’re aware
drowsy relic
lmao if youre not rerolling to monk now, dont be surprised and complain next patch
naive panther
But won’t do anything...
steady dragon
does double DC make it so that a single stomp does +4s to shout?
outer dew
No
modern brook
no
steady dragon
😦
chilly brook
No
steady dragon
sad
oblique garnet
You gotta reroll into paladin
modern brook
IT does make a single stomp BIG though
oblique garnet
They are stable
chilly brook
Isn’t that in the pins?
outer dew
Paladin has been the sleeper tank this whole expac
modern brook
is many more characters than no though
steady dragon
isn't in this channel's pin
drowsy relic
not in the pins
chilly brook
Then 8.1 hit
uneven mason
Paladins have always been strong utility wise
modern brook
and now we're viable :^)
uneven mason
I still feel like I get rocked
modern brook
thanks 8.1
chilly brook
Well then it was in the pins and probably moved to #268491842637660160
modern brook
I had a paladin tank try and BoP Blade combo
modern brook
YEahp.
oblique garnet
Blade combo?🤔
uneven mason
KR
modern brook
KR last boss
outer dew
Paladin doesn't even do bad against that...
oblique garnet
It does damage?
uneven mason
That thing that melts BDKs but tickles us
modern brook
apparently
uneven mason
not to prot warriors
oblique garnet
Huh
outer dew
Take a blade combo without SB
uneven mason
"block, block ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh block
steady dragon
single death strike covers it pretty well tbh
outer dew
And see what happens
uneven mason
should call it "Blocked combo"
sick sentinel
prots still garbage for all the harder fights in BfD, it just does damage
uneven mason
wat
sick sentinel
maybe it will even out with gear
chilly brook
Wut
silk mortar
WUT
oblique garnet
Eks dee
uneven mason
"Harder fights"
silk mortar
Methods been using a warrior tank they suck
sick sentinel
as prot
uneven mason
Used on Jaina
sick sentinel
😃
sick sentinel
do you know why its used on jaina?
oblique garnet
The only reason it wasnt used on mekka is because you need grip to reposition the adds
sick sentinel
not because you're a good tank
you're a mechanics bitch
you barely tank the boss
modern brook
oblique garnet
Lmao
silk mortar
And we handle them well 🤔
drowsy relic
pls dont eat the bait 😦
chilly brook
Wow
sick sentinel
Like I said
chilly brook
So the two fights prot wasn’t used on by method
oblique garnet
XDdd
silk mortar
Right jaina is an exception
primal crypt
but
silk mortar
Obviousl
primal crypt
wat
chilly brook
Wait
chilly brook
Isn’t this like the same guy that’s been banned a few times?
silk mortar
Lol
modern brook
🆗
oblique garnet
Good luck being 1/9 normal 8)
chilly brook
Thanks for your wishes of luck
sick sentinel
I love warrior
modern brook
🆗
modern brook
🆗
chilly brook
🆗
oblique garnet
Sure
primal crypt
There must be a lot of dogshit in the water today
chilly brook
🆗
modern brook
chilly brook
modern brook
I should update that picture
naive panther
Have you seen a bear on first two bosses? Have you seen a dh on second boss? Lol pretty bad compared to war.
chilly brook
I was kinda hoping it would continue
silk mortar
Dh active mitigation is weaker than warrior without pretty much xD
primal crypt
naive panther
Bear on opulence loses his shield and dies
silk mortar
Poor DHs 😭
stark sage
our DH does fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
silk mortar
Impossible
naive panther
Dh has been fine through opulence grong is just a pain cause low am uptime and I have to tank all the time cause bear gets cucked
modern brook
Reflect the throw :^)
naive panther
On opulence I can hold my shield a really long time
modern brook
thats my entire contribution to Protection warrior
silk mortar
oh hes back
chilly brook
If you ignore him, he doesn’t exist
mellow bridge
Hey lads, is it worth using a 410 bandages over 370 rezans? I know that bandages is pretty bad, but idk if the 40 ilvls make up for it
chilly brook
It’s like magic
naive panther
So I taunt then gfo?
mellow bridge
on use is like 80k shield
silk mortar
Fine 👍
naive panther
Sounds fun
sick sentinel
Yeah, timing is a bit iffy, but you take last hit and launch
narrow abyss
And it’ll avoid the whole throw and aoe damage?
sick sentinel
Ignores the entire mechanic
steady dragon
wont boss run after me
sick sentinel
^
naive panther
He’s busy doing his combo sequence
inland mesa
wait what, you can leap and void the throw? I was just going to ask how people survive it as I died twice last night, go in with demo on boss, double IP shield and still get thrown at like 100k and die even if starting out topped up
oblique garnet
Call for healing an external before
naive panther
If I have a bleed and get thrown I call for ironbark
cinder pasture
I've just been spell reflecting the throw
modern brook
You can also spell refelct the throw bleed
naive panther
If no bleed no ex
inland mesa
I was reflecting tantrums, you just hit spell reflect before he picks up?
cinder pasture
Yep
chilly brook
Ez SR
oblique garnet
rofl method actually got worlds 2nd jaina kill again
narrow abyss
Lol
naive panther
2nd?
modern brook
Yikes
minor fox
So in the situation that I have both Lifespeed and Blood Siphon on an azerite piece, which one should I pick?
minor fox
I don't have blood sports
modern brook
i dont think it really matters though
minor fox
I mean any of them
What about the new traits, is the bonded souls worth anything?
Since I don't see anything about them on icy veins
modern brook
The general concensus on non-prot specific traits is "some are good, but all are inconsistent, which makes them less desirable for tanking - combined with prot having some really strong, stackable traits makes them generally unneeded"
bonded souls imo is a meme more than anything
something cute you can do with your raid
minor fox
I'm asking cause I've seen on some other tank azerite guides that they're good for healing yourself and your off tank
empty crater
Why is mekkatorque shoulders better than grong shoulders?
minor fox
tank spec azerite guides*
modern brook
Other tank specs also have really shitty traits
minor fox
yeah I know, but I was debating about it since it also gives haste
and my other option on that ring is brace for impact
modern brook
which is where the "inconsistency" comes in
modern brook
like the haste is nice when its up
but is it better than the damage/block bonus of bfi?
probably not
sick sentinel
Well yeah
sick sentinel
This week I'm getting smacked tho
outer dew
I'm gonna pump
modern brook
Same tbh; but i tihnk bs over 2nd dc is a good use case of when u'd consider it over prot specifics
sick sentinel
Its like 45% uptime
oblique garnet
getting smacked?
sick sentinel
The buff is 20 sec
oblique garnet
kage hello just block it 4head
chilly brook
I’d rather just be a selfish tank
outer dew
when
modern brook
at 415 w/ 45% uptime its ~110 haste
chilly brook
🙃
sick sentinel
it's a strong trait for progression
400-600k healing is nothing to be shirked at
Last week I was fine during most of the 17kr, this week I did a 14 td and I was really feeling it
sick sentinel
Maybe it has to do that I was chasing fucking explosives the whole dungeon
outer dew
I even pulled a hallway and listened
This week is nice
You can auto-victory rush or crit victory rush
sick sentinel
Or that the healer was a guildies alt 🤔
outer dew
To chain victory rush
primal crypt
@oblique garnet
outer dew
Some pulls I'm doing 15-20k hps
oblique garnet
you can feel the hurt in wcm when you go oops and pull too big
oblique garnet
leech?
sick sentinel
Leech memes
outer dew
Lil pump on IP
sick sentinel
And bigger IPs, so big where you have to overcap IP to not overcap rage
It feels good to chain victory rushes on explosive orbs
Yeah that's true
But then you can't thunderclap
Or die
oblique garnet
feels good when you press avatar and use ip and you get 67k IP
- 50k from the opulence trinket
110k absorbs
sick sentinel
Because other absorbs use ip and the absorb for the hits
But RP does not
takes the full hit
uneven mason
I'm going to stack up some bloodsport for jadefire
every time
cause fuck that fireboy
uneven mason
I suggested that
and they're like But the monk does more damage
cause mageboyded
but I can take the monks damage buffed ass
all day long
in reality
its because people are bad at the minigame
sick sentinel
Yeah
uneven mason
and the raid wipes due to "personal responsibility"
sick sentinel
Pls don't say that word
sick sentinel
ToS flashbacks
sick sentinel
Allways healers fault
chilly brook
Why is it hard for people to be personally responsible
uneven mason
because they get spoiled by good tanks and healers carrying them
"mechanics" is not a think DPS do
vocal flame
I know we always go ilevel but is a 5 ilevel increase worth it on a shield even tho the secondary stats are horrible? losing a haste gem slot and haste on the older one.
modern brook
B L O C K
vocal flame
ah okay thanks alot
uneven mason
@vocal flame item level is all that matters
open bluff
a socket is worth exactly 0 ilvl on a shield
uneven mason
Also, we have no bad 2ndary stats
we have ⚖
Prot warriors are the most zen class for 2ndary stats
they're like within 0.01 of eachother
vocal flame
thats good to hear
vocal flame
yeah this new one has like 250 more block
uneven mason
👍
chilly brook
Us warriors follow the ways of Zenyatta
vocal flame
ah peace be upon us lol
open bluff
simply because of block
sand egret
Re: personal responsibility - The tragedy of the commons effect is significantly more prominent in western-style games and as such they are designed around it. Also, that monk minigame in BoD is one of only two reasons I'm considering stepping into the raid.
modern brook
@chilly brook Peace and 👢
sand egret
considering
chilly brook
What’s the commons effect?
old night
ooof. the bootyclap game was strong last night
sand egret
sociological princple that people diffuse responsibility as more people are responsibile
uneven mason
Y no 100 Film
old night
because im hot trash
chilly brook
Ah
sick sentinel
Haste is so much better for explosive though
sand egret
aka there is a common park, with 100 people around it that all have to take care of it. each person is less likely to take care of it cuz "others will"
old night
maybe one day holy father of claps, Sense, will grace me with a 100
chilly brook
Gotcha
uneven mason
Y Kaege?
modern brook
sick sentinel
You can fit claps between tour shield slams and victory rushes
uneven mason
still do
floral prism
is there a spell reflect trick on mythic Grong that anyone has come across? i'm being told you might be able to spell reflect the throw???
uneven mason
more mastery means you 1 shot the explosive with VR
chilly brook
You can
sand egret
so in raiding the product is: mechanics aren't binary. WoW, on the whole, doesn't have too many "fail and you wipe" mechanics compared to eastern-style games
uneven mason
👏 no SS required
chilly brook
^
floral prism
i see
sick sentinel
@floral prism #268491842637660160 for all your needs
There is a comprehensive list
@uneven mason yes, but only if it crits
sick sentinel
And since I'm going with wearing the highest ilvl, I have like 13% haste
I will have to tune my eng helm for prot, has OP and gismo
Bury the hatchet might also be fun actually
modern brook
bury the hatchet is only good this week; to my dismay
easily my favorite inner ring
uneven mason
Vamp speed > BTH
sick sentinel
I have too high azerite gear to use inner rings... Rip
chilly brook
Somewhat off topic but if WoW were to essentially “die” do you think it would revive the mmo market?
uneven mason
No
uneven mason
Because if a giant like wow falls
no company is going to put bank into a AAA MMO ever again
modern brook
especailly in the west
uneven mason
at leat not for a while
sick sentinel
The golden age of mmos is long over
chilly brook
I would think it would actually mean the opposite
That there’s a market share that opened up
uneven mason
Not really
its a mass exodus from the market
because the only way Wow dies
is if it becomes unprofitable
meaning the market didn't open up, it shrank
chilly brook
@modern brook whaddya mean MMOs were the original BRs 😜
uneven mason
thats a flag to exit
sick sentinel
I'm still impressed that wow can still get away with subscribtion model
modern brook
says a lot about the state of wow that fortnite has a better home building system
chilly brook
Speaking of which though
uneven mason
It has strong draw
chilly brook
Download Apex Legends it’s sooooooooo good
sick sentinel
BRs aren't my thing tho
sick sentinel
I get bored of them after 3 matches
sand egret
its TF -BR edition
chilly brook
With teamwork required
sick sentinel
Can you thunderclap in that game?
sand egret
with a nice splash or Borderlands and OW
sick sentinel
Multiplayer shooters ovetall
sick sentinel
If you can't thunderclap, rampage or heroic leap its no good
chilly brook
I mean technically I’m making a thunderclap every time I jet pack around
chilly brook
You can technically rampage
Bloodhounds ultimate is basically enraging
Without a damage boost
uneven mason
lusty grotto
as of yesterday the game has been crashing
they really need a rejoin option
that's my only gripe
sand egret
you’re my only gripe
modern brook
Nims also my least favorite part of wow
modern brook
no its Late
uneven mason
I was having a harder time intercepting before the damage happened...
like, I'd still get stunned.
broken roost
Do you folks find that if you try to heroic leap while charging it can sometimes not leap you but still trigger the cooldown?
broken roost
It's a :feelsbad:
worthy dagger
can you spell reflect the mage on the jadefire encounter? people are saying you proc an extra Burn Out on the raid
trail whale
@sick sentinel we were unable to bop it last night and hunters can no longer feign to prevent it either
hot locust
You still trigger the burnout when debuff ends on the boss, yeah.
worthy dagger
sounds like a bug then
hot locust
Dont SR until other tank has him and just use it for DR.
modern brook
^ thats what i did
I also spell reflected a stack at like 2% boss health with the understanding the boss would die before burnout
uneven mason
Like triggering the "extra" burnout is a bit of a misnomer, like I'll use SR after Pyroblast, to drop my stacks and cause 2 smaller burnouts rather than letting the stacks continue for a big one
since at low stacks its hardly noticeable
but if you're going to shit 20stacks on your raid its a major healer CD
though
thats in HC
hot locust
Why are you getting above like 7-8 ever?
uneven mason
we're still working on people not getting chunked on the monk stuff
in mythic
"Personal responsibility"
modern brook
We 3 healed our hc clear so i didnt wanna stress them more than they already were
uneven mason
hehe
modern brook
plus it made taunt swapping simpler
uneven mason
yeah
I dunno
We could handle the damage on HC at 15+ stacks just fine
so I didn't see a reason to swap more often
mythic I guess we'll swap at 8
WIsh my guild would push more time into mythic
but right now they're just giving it 1 night a week
#casual
narrow abyss
🤮
wild sandal
i got diamond- reflecting prism , 400 ilvl, would it be better to use it instread of jes howler or razan 380 ilvl?
uneven mason
yaaaaas
wild sandal
for m+
wild sandal
oh
uneven mason
bigger pulls
uneven mason
situationally
but if they're both 380ilvl
well
Howler lines up ~ with every other avatar
and is a solid damage buff
lusty grotto
paging @sand egret
uneven mason
but Rezan is prob still better
lusty grotto
jes has a 2 min cd
brisk ferry
in my experience Howler comes off CD after every 2nd Avatar 😦
wild sandal
ok thank you
sand egret
hiss
uneven mason
Yes, but you're not going to trigger avatar on CD when you're between packs boy
lusty grotto
every 2nd Avatar is like 1m 30s at best
sand egret
Jes's doesn't even line up cleanly
uneven mason
git better
sand egret
actually i'd need to get worse
brisk ferry
youd technically have to get worse for it to line up better? lol
brisk ferry
I've been using it for 2 weeks and I'm not a huge fan, I miss my 380 Vial
lusty grotto
it's not anywhere near a bad trinket by any means, defensively it's very strong
sand egret
i effing hate it
uneven mason
k
sand egret
100% by use tho
lusty grotto
but the cd makes it weird
sand egret
in pure numbers its solid
uneven mason
yeah I'd rather have a 400 vial
sand egret
but in use, i really don't like it
modern brook
395 vial 395 rezans :^)
uneven mason
use both
brisk ferry
trying to have fun with my M+ this season, but aiming for Vial and Chopping Block as high ilvl as I can get em
sand egret
luckily WM + reaping is a good combo
brisk ferry
and by have fun, I mean I'm pugging it all lol
sand egret
lots of LoS corners, so farming block ain't bad
sand egret
not gonna like sanguine week....but generally it's a great layout for reaping
lusty grotto
sanguine + necrotic yikes
brisk ferry
that next week?
lusty grotto
kite all dungeon every day
lusty grotto
that's not next week
that's the week after
fortified sanguine necrotic
next week its bolstering grievous
broken roost
Any good dungs this week? Shrine has a few rough teemings, Temple should be good
brisk ferry
TD & WM were easy so far
broken roost
Tyrannical grievous is a pain on some bosses, big oof
daring patrol
14 snek wasn't fun this week
last mason
lusty grotto
you only last stand to cover for SB cds
broken roost
Sb sb sb LS unless you need LS to survive
brisk ferry
^ same
broken roost
And SW before LS
lusty grotto
but generally kooffd got it
if the pack lasts long enough you probably have time to do 3x SB before you need to LS to cover for the gap
also...
no need to SB if you're not getting hit
so that's very manageable
stunned mobs? don't SB
casting mobs? don't SB
mobs being kited? don't SB
daring patrol
whattabout them rocks tho
brisk ferry
dang rocks
lusty grotto
that's really just micromanaging SB though
might not be something everyone can do, but at least keep it in mind
daring patrol
you'll get used to mobs/bosses casts and you'll know when to hold block for a couple seconds
lusty grotto
yup
wild sandal
is bastion of might better to go for than brace for impact? for raids or m+
lusty grotto
i believe the icy veins guide tells you
it was updated for both raids and M+
on the azerite section
wild sandal
ok ill check again,thanks
lusty grotto
np 👢 🍵 👏
sand egret
@last mason for a given pack, you should be able to fit in 3 Shield Blocks back2back before needing to Last Stand. If a particular pack is high damage but short, you may opt for an earlier Last Stand purely for the extra health. For 90% of my packs, it's SB X3 then Last Stand and that's ~35 seconds of 100% uptime (20 seconds of this is in Avatar where I'm at 54% crit block rate).
real fossil
Anyone have experience on how much you feel running m+ priority traits in raid vs raid traits? I’m having a hard time deciding what traits to prioritize until I have multiple gear sets
Or vise versa
uneven mason
1xDC 3BoM then IF/BFI (Or CR even)
for m+
Raid traits its 1DC then as many IF/BFI as you can get, OR
situationally on high magic/bleed damage fights you can stack some BS
for juicy IPs
But
I've been running my M+ traits in raid occasionally and its not horrible
oblique garnet
i run them in raids regularly
uneven mason
the mastery levels are pretty insane and crit block is strong
oblique garnet
dont really run into issues with survivability
real fossil
I get what’s optimal, it’s more dealing with what I have
uneven mason
so you're not going to explode if yo uwalk into BoD with 3x BoM
all of our traits are just fine, DC is the stand out
but its on like, everything
Just don't normally take non prot specific traits
while some of htem are good
they're not 100% uptime like te prot ones
real fossil
And you roll avatar on cd in raid except if you’re holding it for add dmg ya?
uneven mason
more or less when I have BoM in raid
I treat avatar as another defensive
since its some big damage smoother
lusty grotto
if you want to pad, you can hold it for add phases or whatever
plus it helps the raid get them down
real fossil
I’m playing prot like a dps spec which has been tons of fun lol
uneven mason
If I'm pushing DPS I'll stack with DS, if I'm not pushing DPS I use it outside of DS to smooth damage further
Yeah
thats the normal way to do things
we're solid enough
lusty grotto
👢 🍵 👏
spring sierra
hey guys, the raidbots website wrote that prot warriors are now able to be simmed again, is that dps only or some sort of survivabilty aswell?
lusty grotto
the sims aren't that reliable
its only for dps though
and once again they aren't that reliable
so take what you see in sims and bloodmallet with a huge grain of salt
strong forum
steel mauve
The sim module is still being worked on afaik, so i doubt itll give you any thing accurate regardless
lusty grotto
ya
open bluff
in my experience it'll give you generally correct information in regards to gear etc, but the numbers shouldn't be taken as absolute truth
lusty grotto
its raw numbers, the sim probably doesn't take into consideration mitigation management
plus for example treacherous covenant might actually be bad for you if you dip down on the threshhold
tribal schooner
Uhm.. Quick q: blood siphon or winds of war? Like effects are pretty same, but what's better?
open bluff
blood siphon
tribal schooner
ty
manic perch
what is the kill order on conc HC ?
signal plover
We do gonk kimbul paku akunda
dusk locust
^ same with us
sick sentinel
the simc module was fully updated, your dps sims should be spot on
obviously it assumes you're playing like a degenerate and throws mitigation out the window
but it's still helpful
uneven mason
Leave Paku up whole time, very easy to manage him, mages get a haste buff from him (spellsteal)
He's the least dangerous one to have alive at the end
undone sun
Doubtful, looked yesterday and it's been without a major update for quite a while. Marok and or sal would also have updated an announcement if the apl was updated
steel mauve
Dont give out completely false information
sick sentinel
????????????????
???????????????????????????????????????
Theyve been working on it for weeks
undone sun
Yes I'm quite aware
undone sun
@final mist
sick sentinel
Melekus spending countless hours pushing an update
final mist
Yes, they do push WIPs.
sick sentinel
It's not up to date though
undone sun
Sims have been available for quite awhile now
sick sentinel
Lul
undone sun
It's nothing new
final mist
Mel isn't the one working on it, he just pushed the update after checking to make sure that it was bare-bones-minimum with a few of us.
I should know, I'm a little more involved with it than you are.
sick sentinel
😃
final mist
It's working but not fully functional. Take it with a grain of salt.
sick sentinel
Whats missing from the module
signal plover
Me
manic perch
What do you guys think of Diamond laced reflecting prism?
final mist
Too much for me to list out here. And Diamond is one of the best trinkets for survival, you won't find much else that can compete.
Also because I'm lazy, can't remember all of it, and this is cutting into my FFXIV time. xd
signal plover
Oof
sick sentinel
Cute 😃
manic perch
just got heropic chest but with Callous..... fuck man but its upograde :S
supple path
Feels like every item is a callous reprisal item, man.
spring sierra
welp, call me old fashioned but i just successfully tanked my first +10 in bfa
\o/
dusk locust
ayy grats
signal plover
Hello old fashioned I'm paw
inland mesa
👍
vocal skiff
lusty grotto
gz evil 😃
tender phoenix
is there a Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism weak aura about?
vocal nimbus
There have to be some if you search wago
But kind of pointless to track as it is a passive buff imho
warm plinth
Yeah, it's passive and happens frequently; not sure what you'd get out of tracking it.
thorny laurel
Is Briny Barnacle any good in M+ as prot? Cuz I at least see some top loggers use it on some mythic bosses for deeps
uneven mason
Got beat by a mage
warm plinth
Seems good
primal crypt
Chillin
He was dead for the reap
Lol
He was like dont reap yetttttt
But I reaped anyway
Kek
vocal nimbus
@thorny laurel trinket choices always depend on what are you comparing them to
sand egret
hek Yam gettin trounced by a Mage.
lusty grotto
briny is okay for dps
just remember that whatever loggers are wearing right now is subject to change due to gearing
narrow abyss
Right
lusty grotto
there are def better trinkets
narrow abyss
I saw glick wearing it. But it’s hard to judge whether it’s because it’s good or it’s the best he got in the last 2 weeks
lusty grotto
its a decent dps trinket
native bear
is gizmo the way to go on engineering helm?
lusty grotto
i believe so
sand egret
anecdotally, I use it and like it. Less value in packs, but shines on single target boss fights. Esp when bosses have longer swing timers/more downtime (casts etc). Considering most of our gearing for an M+ perspective is AoE oriented, this is a good way to shore up some ST power.
patent flower
For rings, take haste verse > ilvl?
sand egret
I go for ilvl for the most part. If i got a heavy haste ring vs a no-haste ring within 5-10 ilvls i'd consider keeping it, but generally I wouldn't drop more than 5-10 ilvls for rings for specific secondaries
dim blaze
Looking forward to affixes coming up... how does prot warrior do on sanguine/necrotic? Specifically how hard is it to drop the necrotic stacks with our good mobility?
lusty grotto
well that depends on what you're comparing it to
sand egret
dropping stacks isn't hard. having to admit you have to drop stacks because the pack isn't dead is the hard part, emotionally speaking.
dim blaze
Lol
lusty grotto
you can't DG or gorefiends, so sanguine is a LoS kite battle
you can run but no 90% slow so leap/intercept is your friend
you can't RoP either
most of us are used to it, but in comparison to other tanks: they have it easier
sand egret
caveat* slows suck for sanguine so it's kinda an interesting trade
dim blaze
I didn’t tank last season (didn’t have a Warrior above lvl 60 either). That affix combo just seems intimidating
lusty grotto
that's true, Blade
its not intimidating
it's a boring combo
pretty much a kite fest
narrow abyss
Just run with a boomkin
sand egret
it'll be a pain in like TD/WM and shit due to the lack of real estate
dim blaze
I’m tanking 10-14’s and those mobs hit hard even without teeming/fort
sand egret
boomkin has the same problem: if they derp it can mess you all up
trents as they die = them sitting in pools
lusty grotto
hmm sub 15 KR isn't hard except for the bleed which you can bait
narrow abyss
Yeah I usually tell them to do it earlier as opposed to later
sand egret
just like a massive slow as mobs are going to die SUUUCKs
lusty grotto
not sure what's railing you
dull pilot
dim blaze
Hmmmm
dull pilot
swop out blockaids ?
lusty grotto
blockades isn't good this tier, too low ilvl
dim blaze
Maybe I need to watch a prot warrior vid for KR. That’s the only dungeon I feel like I get wailed by trash and having more of them and fortified seems terrible. Bosses are fine even on tyrannical
sand egret
i'd reckon it's probably the zerker bleed
lusty grotto
and see where you're failing
sand egret
that shit is what trucks most people
dim blaze
My 2 issues are in the first boss room
sand egret
since early there really isn't anything threatening in particular
lusty grotto
eh
dim blaze
The packs of 3-4 last week were HURTING
sand egret
bring a Druid to Soothe big boi
narrow abyss
I think they rage
dim blaze
and then the mini boss room
narrow abyss
and kick shadowmoon
sand egret
they do
narrow abyss
Last week was double enrage
sand egret
yeah....they hurt
dim blaze
Maybe it was raging that was my problem
lusty grotto
its likely that's the case
dim blaze
Oh they enrage?
sand egret
after 30 seconds they go nutso
narrow abyss
Yes
dim blaze
Oh sheet
lusty grotto
yes big dudes enrage on 1st boss room
narrow abyss
It’s like the dogs in FH
dim blaze
I thought it was just the affix
sand egret
the Guardians
narrow abyss
That kick your shit in
dim blaze
But enrage + affix makes sense
narrow abyss
Last week they hurt like a bitch too
narrow abyss
Bleeds still gonna be a pain. But everything else is fine honestly
narrow abyss
Mob wise
sand egret
that shit (used to be 100%) is what is going to reck you in the first room
lusty grotto
just bait bleeds on pets 😉
sand egret
for the bridge, it'll be the bleeds
sand egret
the triple pack you can stun 2 out of 3 of them
and move out of the lightning
the big ol' pack is Block City
lusty grotto
mini boss shouldn't be hard
dim blaze
Huh ok
sand egret
and uh...for the caster.....make sure your dps don't just stand on you when targeted by bladestorm
lusty grotto
was there a specific pack that was giving you problems?
sand egret
had that happen a few times
narrow abyss
The channel guy just have a rop or typhoon after he finishes his initial cast and starts channeling and he won’t do it again for a while
dim blaze
Ok lastly Zul... last week may have been worse due to the raging but I struggled to stay alive through that.
narrow abyss
Pray
sand egret
save on real estate esp if you just came off of the crazy add packs spreading shit eerrywhere
lusty grotto
zul...
sand egret
pop cds and pray
dim blaze
Lol ok
lusty grotto
you need Shield Wall at a lot of stacks
also healer cd
or...
just run run run
to outrange his casts
narrow abyss
I know super high keys they do apt of the taunt and kite shit
sand egret
you can kite him as well or you can try and get creative based on your comp
narrow abyss
But I’ve never done it myself
sand egret
last week I had my Frost DK just taunt and AMS a few hits
which was all I needed to get topped
dim blaze
Ok cool
lusty grotto
i usually cycle between SRs and then SW and Coccoon with my MW monk heals
sand egret
DH's could with Meta + Blur, Monks can Touch of Karma
lusty grotto
i've yet to do the kite thing
narrow abyss
Same
lusty grotto
i wanna try it though
narrow abyss
Nim you hear anything about dh doing bleed bait and blade dance to dodge?
sand egret
yada yada, i haven't kited myself since I pug and healers don't position on the bridge
narrow abyss
I read a reddit comment in passing
lusty grotto
im just worried it will put voids behind, and pugs won't stand in them
narrow abyss
Don’t know how real it is
lusty grotto
yup
sand egret
they can time it during the cast if they are good
but it does mean they'd have to actually not mong the button and maybe hold it....
which is often too much to ask of a DH
lusty grotto
i just rather bait it on a pet
narrow abyss
Haha I’m havoc main so I’m curious
sand egret
nor complain about their dps
just be in the blade dance anim during the bleed cast
you'll dodge it
narrow abyss
Got it
narrow abyss
That I already do
sand egret
but yeah, same thing then
narrow abyss
Trying to figure out when to dance blade combo for the Whiny BDKs on last boss
sand egret
they always cast the bleed: on pull and after their first jump
i forgot other tanks have trouble with that Blade Dance combo
narrow abyss
They complain about last boss Kr
sand egret
yeah it does as well
lusty grotto
i'm kinda positive my hdh friend uses it when he gets it
lusty grotto
yeah he survives np
i usually just wall if i get more than 1
one bleed should be manageable
narrow abyss
Ya same
sand egret
if you have 2 and are actively tanking, pop a wall I say
lusty grotto
you def don't want it to happen if you can avoid it but still
sand egret
I spend a lot of those pulls no where near the zerkers tbh
storm bolt post jump
they sit in that for 5 seconds, dump the rend on a pet, then walk their ass over to you
- slows, you should be done with the rest of the pack by the time he comes back lol
lusty grotto
yeah
sand egret
they key is to not have your healer just derping next to it if it jumps near
so he gets the bleed and freaks the fuck out
KR is a finesse dungeon and designed specifically with this in mind (opposed to say, FH).
narrow abyss
My heart is in FH though
inland vortex
anyone like bonded souls as prot?
nocturne plover
410 vial or 385 knot
nocturne plover
muh haste
nocturne plover
i know i know
lusty grotto
ROFL
nocturne plover
rip
uneven mason
"Hope i get a badass trinket from this chest - NOPE warrior gets 55gold worth of boots"
nocturne plover
i left my dk in uldir, decided i enjoyed TC way more
lusty grotto
heh
uneven mason
"Man my BDK could really use some upgraded shoes" - Gets 400 RAGE
thats been my luck with trinkets all Xpac
daring marlin
@sand egret I never thought much of blade combo(for obvious reasons) until a healer was like wtf you take no damage
First time I played DK in KR too. Pally shrugs it off almost as well as Warrior.
wide girder
410 Jess, 405 rezan and 415 alchemic stone. what should I choose for m+?
daring marlin
alchemist is nice
wide girder
proc rate is very high
wide girder
1650str
daring marlin
I don’t like jes much
sure there’s a buff for your party but it’s 2 mins and 12 second duration
🤢
daring marlin
I had a 380 one and it didn’t feel very impactful at all(during s1) and opted to use my 370 vial instead. lul
jolly wasp
Guys if you had to pick 2x Bonded Souls or 2x Brace for Impact, which one would you stack?
daring marlin
I need another one of them suckers.
jolly wasp
oh
lusty grotto
go to the icy veins guide and read up on the azerite part
if a trait is not listed there, it's usually crap
jolly wasp
Bonded Souls is not listed but I can't believe it's considered bad, it procs SO much and heals a lot, while also giving a nice haste proc..
daring marlin
Ignore nimchip
lusty grotto
wtf guilfart
daring marlin
iirc marok said it seems to be quite good for m+ the other day
lusty grotto
well did you read the last line though
daring marlin
@sick sentinel What’s your opinion of bonded souls?
idk man I think bfi is kinda shit in m+ in general
lusty grotto
yeah i mean bonded sounds nice but lets not keep overvaluing haste... and as far as healing goes, meh
it competes with other traits
daring marlin
The dude could try one of each.
lusty grotto
for sure