protection

[uneven mason]

they just alternate

unless they're random on Mythic

you know what 2 will be safe, more or less

[inland mesa]

I believe they are that you can have the same one open twice in a row

[uneven mason]

hmm ok

I'll have to see it for myself

[primal crypt]

Just watch the doors

And move

[inland mesa]

but he also starts the rotation before the other jets finish so you can't really move him a ton

[uneven mason]

Have him so he'll end his rotation into the current vents

Or just akwardly walk through his butt

[ocean acorn]

mactier absorb-o-tron or auto cauterizer?

[primal crypt]

Absorb on one helmet

Cauterizer for bleed bosses

[ocean acorn]

i was only thinking of cauterizer cuz i dont raid and do m+

[primal crypt]

Absorb procs a lot

[uneven mason]

Oh

[ocean acorn]

and the KR trash bleeds

[uneven mason]

Cauterlizer for M+

TFW DID

[ocean acorn]

im not like your guys level but once i get some double traits for tanking where i dont have to swap

[primal crypt]

Feelsgood

Having double helmet

[ocean acorn]

https://raider.io/characters/us/mugthol/Shpicey

[primal crypt]

Even just 1 x 415 and 1 x 400

[ocean acorn]

trying to start tanking more

[primal crypt]

Oh you're fury for keys too?

Oh you mix

[ocean acorn]

ya

[primal crypt]

Spicy

[ocean acorn]

but im now poor from reforging

[uneven mason]

Play a real DPS, #protection

[ocean acorn]

its cuz one of the guys i play with only plays brew

my reforge got up to 40k

[uneven mason]

Sometimes, I feel like turning around to my group after crushing the damage meters and yelling at them like Samuel L. Jackson "DID I NOT PROTECT YOU, THEY DEAD MOTHER FUCKER"

[ocean acorn]

and didnt have enough to keep switching so im hoping i get like chest and shoulders in raid

most the groups i have been in i have been crushing dps

[broken roost]

Feels in 0 BoM :(

[primal crypt]

If your dps doesnt beat you

They're not trying

And they're using wrong azerite

And they stink

[broken roost]

Had 1 piece with it but 30 ilvls below my new piece

[ocean acorn]

ya

they kept dying

[primal crypt]

Oh noes

[inland mesa]

I wish my group actually got together to do M+ reliably, I'll never catch Yamorino 😦

1300 this week from mostly pugs lol

[ocean acorn]

im only 1.4k in s2

[primal crypt]

That was me season 1

Barely scraping by

Especially as prot

[primal aurora]

I was like 950

[inland mesa]

my "key group" did 3 freaking keys and totally ditched me monday

[primal aurora]

But I never entered siege of Boralus lul

[primal crypt]

This time I have 4 people who want to go to the MDI

LIKE WTF

where did these people come from lol

[ocean acorn]

are u going with them?

[inland mesa]

yeah I wondered when I saw you shoot up there

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Im the team captain

Maybe one day i get to be on the TV

[primal aurora]

[primal crypt]

or at least someone's computer monitor

[inland mesa]

I saw your youtube was on there, have you been putting runs up, may look to see if we have similiar routes

[primal crypt]

Nah. Havent put anything recent up yet

Havent actually started recording

I may start doing that now

[inland mesa]

I spent saturday saving and highlighting all our raid kills haha

[primal crypt]

So you guys can reference

Reference and request some tests

I dont know how to make vids :(

[inland mesa]

did you triple DC by choice

[primal crypt]

Zero editing

[inland mesa]

or just what came to ya

[primal crypt]

Nah, ilvl

Had to reforge back to fury

So if you see me in the callous gear

That's the back up pieces

1 DC 2 Callous

[inland mesa]

you still running jaina trinket?

[primal crypt]

Still puts me at about 403

I will be this week

[floral lake]

how much DC worth in ilvl now ?

[primal crypt]

Fortified

@floral lake about 30 ilvl

One tier

[floral lake]

kk, so my 385 with DC worth more then 400 with no DC

i wasnt sure with the change

[inland mesa]

gotta remember to loot spec arms for jaina for the trinket

[primal crypt]

@floral lake if you dont have any other

I'd still use the DC for now

[inland mesa]

I'd always keep 1

[floral lake]

i dont have any other

[primal crypt]

@inland mesa yeah

I have some logs up

With jaina trinket

Upwards of 5% of my dmg

On tyrannical week

[uneven mason]

@floral lake DC is worth 15 if used perfectly

[inland mesa]

what's your other to go with it? I've been running diamond/eye cuz I like pulling too much and proc'ing eye lol

[uneven mason]

almost no one uses it perfectly

[floral lake]

alright, thx a lot for the quick answer

[uneven mason]

🤷

its still strong

but its not going to really crush another item depending on the traits

[primal crypt]

I have the damn Grong trinket

[uneven mason]

since we can't extend

forever

Use it

USE GRONG

[primal crypt]

It's so awkward but I use it

Because Im a monkey

[uneven mason]

its funny

mmhmm

I tanked Grong using my Super Simian Sphere

[inland mesa]

reaping on BrM is so bs, put statue down, watch them all run in, and destroy them

[floral lake]

i got CR and DC, other piece is like brace or CR + iron fortress

[uneven mason]

TFW reaping mobs don't have threat tables

[inland mesa]

they do but apparently no add on is good at tracking it atm on bars

[uneven mason]

I mean, I like it when they hit me

[neon tangle]

threatplates still just shows none of them for me

[primal crypt]

Just clap bear them

[uneven mason]

Because they'll randomly target

[primal crypt]

Otherwise laugh at your dps

[uneven mason]

if you move out of melee

they don't follow

[inland mesa]

is that why they pull? I figured it was just people going ham on a specific one

[primal crypt]

For running away

[uneven mason]

the casters randomly target

the melee ones will pop a DPS if you back away

[primal crypt]

@inland mesa alche trinket is what I use though

On the reg

[uneven mason]

which is why ou need to LOS

[primal crypt]

I pop a lot of potions too

[inland mesa]

I got yelled at for reaping mob puling aggro from a pug

dude stood in shadow crash

[uneven mason]

lololol

"WHYD IT HIT ME" YOu stood in the 25% nuke

sorrybub

[inland mesa]

two of em

he was a champ and depleted our 15 TD

[uneven mason]

Well to be fair

[ocean acorn]

i have been encountering issues where they would dturn during the cast and so the circle will be on once side but the actual impact was like in front of him

[uneven mason]

if he's going to stand on shadowcrash

he'd probably die instantly on the tyrannical last boss

[ocean acorn]

doesnt happen often

[uneven mason]

Shpicey its a floating projectile

not a cone

[inland mesa]

we had 7 minutes going into last boss, used all 3 battle rezzes, monk healer never took a single heartseeker...

[ocean acorn]

i have seen it where the purple indicator was like facing the north

[uneven mason]

but yeah I move big circles while 👢 🍵 👏 ing around

so I don't get nailed

[ocean acorn]

but hit like south side

[uneven mason]

Chewtoy thats how the last boss of TD goes

[ocean acorn]

if that makes sense

[inland mesa]

now to go home and do 4 M0 quick and hope for something good

[uneven mason]

even with 7 minues

you'd have been lucky to kill that fuck

somuch

health

what is it like 24m on tyrannical 15

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason Running in circles is the only way to tank

[uneven mason]

backpedaling

too

I do that shit

to enrage the healer

[inland mesa]

died at 9% with 2:30 to spare, would have timed it >.>

[ocean acorn]

i mean u have to be facing it

[uneven mason]

Why'd you die

👏

[inland mesa]

no one left for 2nd heartseeker and low dps so it lasted forever

should have big brained and turned and killed a dps instead lol

[uneven mason]

yeah

thats what I did on my kill

walked behind the warlock

SORRYBRUH ME and the ret got this

PEW

[subtle quail]

Anyone know of a good WA for prot DPS rotation or offensive? I know about cycling my CDs and all that and have all my tracking up. I read through the FAQ and also checked out the WA page but couldn’t find much except defensive abilities for prot. Simed my character at 11k and I’m barely breaking 4K on boss fights 🤷🏻‍♂️

Also tired following the recommended rotation on IV but I’m still having some issues.

[true plover]

Are shoulders the best first random 415 to get?

[primal crypt]

Depends on what 415 pieces you already have

[true plover]

None

[primal crypt]

Then whats the best 400 pieces you have

Buy the piece with the worst stats

So it's your best upgrade

At least in ilvl

[lusty grotto]

that was my go to but

they convinced me 1st boss in raid drops a good chest and easy

so plan accordingly

if you're engi, you probably won't go helm for example

@subtle quail there are none that i know of. You could try tellmewhen but i would advice against it and to learn your class better. Just keep track on SB (or Last Stand with Boslter), Demo Shout, IP + it's total absorb... the rest are CDs you need to keep track of

as far as WAs, i personally use Khakhan's

it's not a tellmewhen replacement though

as in, it won't tell you what to press but it does some glowing stuff that might help

[oblique garnet]

oh baby melee dps in raids is so much fun

you can just turn of your brain dodge shit on the ground and mongo dps

[lusty grotto]

hehe

[last mason]

is it me or is ML really hard for prot

[lusty grotto]

its not

[last mason]

im trying to get the hang of prot, so maybe its just that

even tho im 400 ilvl

[lusty grotto]

you need to learn what to reflect though

[oblique garnet]

it is harder on high tyrannical

[lusty grotto]

but it's not one of the harder one

yeah

[last mason]

like some of the packs really seem to hurt

[lusty grotto]

it's fort week

which pack

[oblique garnet]

masterminds prolly

[lusty grotto]

masterminds = reflect their channel

[last mason]

the one, this week, right before 2nd boss

[lusty grotto]

what level is this key?

uhh the rock dudes?

that shouldn't be hard though

the casters need to be interrupted by your team though

[ocean acorn]

u have to reflect at the beginning of the channel right

[lusty grotto]

or just reflect their nuke for lol dmg

they do a pre-cast

[neon tangle]

Prot is very unforgiving of mistakes

[lusty grotto]

you can SR then

[autumn pendant]

If you reflect their channel what happens.

You just minimise dmg

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess, but reflect in the pre-cast for full dmg

[autumn pendant]

Oh

Interesting

[lusty grotto]

if he means the dwarf dudes though

cause he said 2nd boss

reflect and have your interrupts/stuns ready

[neon tangle]

@last mason Just to be sure before you get in to "oh this one mob you can SR"

Get your block / bolster / etc down

[lusty grotto]

cause masterminds come before 3rd boss

[neon tangle]

Prot is less forgiving than monk/DK/etc when it comes to using your AM

[last mason]

are there any resources that kinda go through dungeons and tell you about that "this you can sr" etc

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

[neon tangle]

^^^

[lusty grotto]

Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet

[neon tangle]

But honestly 95% of the issues I see with prot don't even touch "could have SR'd this one spell"

[lusty grotto]

in ML though, SR is important

[neon tangle]

it's overlapping block/last stand, using IP too much

[lusty grotto]

especially on last boss 😃

on masterminds and the shamans

and on the goblinette

[neon tangle]

I killed the last boss with a broken shield on a 12 last season

he's a pushover

[last mason]

doesnt the last boss hit for fire dmg tho

[lusty grotto]

its reflected

[last mason]

oh

[lusty grotto]

i mean its not a killer ability

not 100% required i should say

on masterminds, 3rd boss, perhaps

the rest not so much since shamans can be interrupted

[proven galleon]

guys for M+ what should i use? 410 Vial of Animated Blood +86 avoidance or 400 merektha's Fang + socket?

[sturdy sable]

vial hands down

[lusty grotto]

vial

[last mason]

do you think 25 ilvls is enough to upgrade a ring without thought for secondaries

[lusty grotto]

more than enough

10 ilvls max for a socket on a ring

[last mason]

haste crit to crit mastery

[lusty grotto]

don't go beyond that

[proven galleon]

even 10ilvl it is

[last mason]

oh ok

[lusty grotto]

doesn't matter which stats it is

different item @proven galleon

rings don't have STR

[proven galleon]

i was talking bout ring too 😃

[last mason]

also any tips for atal

[young oasis]

Opinion on Jaina trinket?

[last mason]

srs, etc

[lusty grotto]

trinkets have str, rings do not

5 ilvls for sockets on trinkets imo

[neon tangle]

@last mason Every secondary helps you defensively and offensively, and they are all very close, more stats > less stats

[lusty grotto]

its good dmg Boki4 from what i've seen

[proven galleon]

Via has no STR

its mastery

[lusty grotto]

vial has a STR use

[proven galleon]

yh

[last mason]

any tips for atal dazar

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

you haven't ran AD?

[primal crypt]

Don't die

[last mason]

like spell reflects, or any small things like that

i have

a lot

but not as a tank

[primal crypt]

Just don't die

[neon tangle]

The same spreadsheet

[lusty grotto]

just don't die, dps

[primal crypt]

Use your shield

[lusty grotto]

im with yamo

[neon tangle]

despite the trolling, there's not much special about AD afaik

[lusty grotto]

what lvl is this key though

that's not trolling though... it's AD

[last mason]

im kinda learning through trial by fire

[lusty grotto]

you're 400 ilvl

[last mason]

its a 13 so middle ground i guess

[lusty grotto]

i see

make sure you're mitigating well on rogues

[last mason]

just throwing myself into pugs

[lusty grotto]

make sure you interrupt augur casts (enchantment is the killer one iirc)

make sure you interrupt fears (because of your team, since we have berserker rage)

dunno what else /shrug

[primal crypt]

AD is tank and spank

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[primal crypt]

All the way through

[neon tangle]

Your AoE stun is useful for the shield skeles

since you can interupt both at the ame time

[lusty grotto]

fear works well for shield skellies

[proven galleon]

does it?

[lusty grotto]

if your stun is down

yup

[last mason]

those big guys must hurt once the totems are dead right

[proven galleon]

I always feel like the immune it

[last mason]

w/e theyre called

[primal crypt]

Yup

[tepid dagger]

getting the engineering helm cause 415, any preferences on which traits to use?

[neon tangle]

yes, but that's mostly on your dps

[oblique garnet]

Yamo baby

[sick sentinel]

dc gismo

OP

[primal crypt]

Sup

[oblique garnet]

Can you pm me your fuiry weakauras?

[primal crypt]

Yas

Driving home

[neon tangle]

yamo can you make me a less shitty tank

[oblique garnet]

❤

[primal crypt]

Yas

@neon tangle

[lusty grotto]

step 1: play your warrior again

[last mason]

on packs that you arent popping avatar and shout on, do you focus more on mitigation

[lusty grotto]

step 2: ??????

[last mason]

fury spending wise

[true plover]

My 400s I'm using with Helm BoM/DC, Shoulders Iron Fortress/Bonded Souls, & Chest BoM/Bonded.

[lusty grotto]

step 3: profit

[last mason]

if that makes sense

[tepid dagger]

healers job to focus on mitigation 😛

[true plover]

Which 415s would you say? I'm thinking Shoulders

[neon tangle]

@true plover do you have engineering?

[true plover]

No

[neon tangle]

ok, go get engineering

[lusty grotto]

eh? you're always focusing on mitigation @last mason

[tepid dagger]

go shoulders for the guaranteed DC

[true plover]

Nah don't want engi

[lusty grotto]

you don't switch off from doing your defensive rotation while in avatar

that's not how it works

if you have LS + Avatar up, sure but you still need to maintain IP... and obviously Demo for the extra damage

[oblique garnet]

just use SB to increase ss damage

[lusty grotto]

and that of course

you don't focus more on, or less on mitigation for any reason

and much less so in fort week

[primal crypt]

I wish bolster would buff ss

Like extra

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto It's kinda hard to answer questions like that for someone with a semi-unknown level of understanding about warriors

You can definitely choose between spending rage on IP vs. revenge

[lusty grotto]

well i'm assuming he went through the guide

but yeah you're right

of course he won't press IP if he has one up with a lot of absorb remaining

but that applies to every type of content

[neon tangle]

@last mason the tl;dr is that you always want to priortize having SB up

[modern pulsar]

bonded souls or bloodsport?

[neon tangle]

never, ever choose to use rage on something besides for shield block

[lusty grotto]

did you read the azerite part of the guide @modern pulsar ?

[neon tangle]

With the excess rage above that you can choose between revenge and IP

[true plover]

Would you run Bloodsport or an Initial stack of Callous Reprisal?

[neon tangle]

revenge will sometimes proc to not cost rage, IP will sometimes still be up so using it again would be a waste

[lusty grotto]

you mean a 2nd Bloodsport?

[true plover]

I don't have 1 of either

[lusty grotto]

ok did you go through the guide

there are rankings for the important traits

[modern pulsar]

i went to icy veins and bonded souls is not listed

[lusty grotto]

that's because it's not good

[true plover]

And they are right next to each other without a huge push for 1 over the other which is why I ask

[lusty grotto]

you sure?

because one is higher than the other

[true plover]

Right but in the details written out they are both made to seem pretty 'meh'. If neither was spectacular but CR gave me extra damage I'd still go CR.

[lusty grotto]

they are not meh

if they are listed

[true plover]

Seeing the list doesn't tell me how much the jump is from 1-2 or 2-3

[neon tangle]

@true plover The guide pretty much goes by defensiveness

Bloodsport won't give you more damage, its valid to do the other option

[lusty grotto]

the absorb amount you gain by IP, means you might have rage available to press revenge

without having to refresh IP

it's kinda common sense, if you want to look at it from a dps perspective

[neon tangle]

Once prot has fully-functioning sims you'll know for sure, although modeling IP will be... interesting

[true plover]

I'll go with BS for now then. Thanks guys.

[lusty grotto]

for CR to work you have to use Revenge

not that you're not using it

but when a free revenge isn't available, you usually have to decide on a rage spender other than SB which is the priority

in the context of using revenge i mean

this is why parses are kinda unreliable

because in the current parse im sure CR would outdps BS for obvious reasons

i.e. not using IP at all

[last mason]

im so fucking bad at this spec

[lusty grotto]

or SB

[last mason]

just threw the 13

[surreal stump]

im sitting here looking at the rankings for prot warrior hps, and im like did these guys just remove shield block from their bars? how do they not use it as reflex lol

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i mean there's a lot of fotm rerolls

[last mason]

the pack before 2nd boss fucked me

[lusty grotto]

so SB management is kind of spotty hehe

[silk dragon]

Hey guys! How are Tank Warriors doing? I think I want to role one when I can make the KT Human

[last mason]

i feel like i cant gen enough resources to keep mitigation up

[vocal nimbus]

2nd boss of where?

[last mason]

for long enough

atal

[lusty grotto]

youre not using rage correctly

[last mason]

just attempted a 13

[vocal nimbus]

that pack hurts

dont kill the totem

[warm plinth]

Overusing IP/Revenge probably

[lusty grotto]

what are your talents

are you using demo shout

[last mason]

the default ones, and yea

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[vocal nimbus]

if you kill the totem you activate both nuking adds plus two casters

and thats a big yikes

[lusty grotto]

kinda hard to say without logs

but you usually skip that pack lol

[last mason]

yea they killed the totems

[warm plinth]

Default according to who? Noxxic default talents are considerably different than icy-veins :p

[last mason]

so that was part of it

[vocal nimbus]

but yeah

that pull is usually skipped

[lusty grotto]

i feel like you need to go read up on routes

[vocal nimbus]

you can deathrun solo to further down and let the party cross to the boss room

[lusty grotto]

its weird cause you said you've done AD

[vocal nimbus]

if you dont have a rogue

[lusty grotto]

so i assumed you knew about the skip

[keen galleon]

CR is only ever going to be good if you're willing to trade a substantial number of IPs for revenge hardcasts

[last mason]

i know the routes, we had a rogue but we were following a mdt route which included that pack

its more my knowledge of the spec i feel

seriously lacking

[lusty grotto]

you dont have to follow MDT routes 100%

they are guides

[keen galleon]

And imho at that point you are reaching the point where you are trading a LOT of survival for a small dps gain

[lusty grotto]

also they assume you have certain classes (i.e. CC)

right Zaeron

[last mason]

we had a rogue, mage, dh

but they were pugs

[keen galleon]

I would never use a mdt route w a pug

That's nuts

[last mason]

https://wago.io/BLVJqXy-Y

[lusty grotto]

i use mdt routes with pugs all the time, but i change them a bit depending on what we have

[last mason]

that was the route

[lusty grotto]

honestly i use them to know percents most of the time

[sand egret]

oo i use that route all the time

whats the issue?

[last mason]

the pack before second boss fucked me up

[sand egret]

this week for teeming?

[last mason]

paired with my poor spec knowledge

[indigo wraith]

When is more haste too much haste?

[lusty grotto]

there's not too much haste

[primal aurora]

Teeming fortified

[sand egret]

biggest issue with that pack is if you start getting higher bleed stacks via the zombies, Sleepy

[lusty grotto]

never sacrifice ilvl for haste though

[chilly brook]

@indigo wraith When there's no CD on shield block anymore

So good luck

[lusty grotto]

it's easier to just skip it

for timer's sake it takes way too long

[sand egret]

im assuming that isnt an option

[lusty grotto]

i mean i just pull them to the side and die, group goes in, i get rezzed

[keen galleon]

That route seems to trade several fairly easy % pickups for several really hard ones

[lusty grotto]

same to go out

[sand egret]

which it may be easier to deal with the big bois first and keep the casters CC’d since they are humanoids

[lusty grotto]

usually

that's how its done

[subtle quail]

@lusty grotto thanks for the info, I’ll check out that WA when I get back on later. 👍🏻

[lusty grotto]

if you have absolutely no way to skip it (but you can skip it)

[keen galleon]

I mean I can see the argument that its faster, but in most keys under 15+ you dont need to do bigger pulls you just need to not die and keep things moving

[lusty grotto]

heh trust me, with pugs... i try to skip as much as i can

[keen galleon]

I'd rather spend an extra 20s on 2 easy pulls than 1 hard pull

Plus on teeming weeks doesn't that pack have 2 blade guards added?

[sand egret]

assuming you dont skip it this week, mitigating the bleed by chopping up the bleed is the way to go imho

[keen galleon]

That's some serious bs

[lusty grotto]

id rather not worry about pug#2 shitty dps once a key starts 😦

2 blade guards?

hmm

[sand egret]

bladegaurds are ezpz

for you at least lol

maybe not for your ranged...

[lusty grotto]

it's a big pack though

nah id rather skip heh

[sand egret]

wait, blade gaurds are the skelies right?

[lusty grotto]

yeah the ones that do the stunnable/fearable shield

[keen galleon]

Wait fuck I can fear that???

Holy shit

[sand egret]

the ones with the shield bash/aoe shield wall

you cant fear the shield

[keen galleon]

Nim bud you just seriously improved my life

[sand egret]

they are undead

[keen galleon]

That's what I thought

[sand egret]

shockwave when they both throw it up

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

[keen galleon]

Ya I know stuns work

[lusty grotto]

im 100% i've feared them

and i learned that from a priest friend

let me check logs to be sure

[sand egret]

you sure that wasnt Horror

or w/e that priest incap is

[lusty grotto]

nah

hold up let me check logs

[sand egret]

ive never had my fear break that channel

i just pray my dps doesnt mong their aoe stuns

[last mason]

is there any better way to jsut trial by fire pug keys to get better at this, or not really

[sand egret]

to be clear, we’re talking about the skeletons that channel that aoe reduction bubble and shield bash ya, right?

ride your key sleepy

[broken roost]

any slots particularly good or bad for us for TR?

[sand egret]

as one who only pugs, ride yo key

[broken roost]

I have the engi helmet, 400 shoulders with IF/BFI (something I guess) and 385 chest - thinking I'll get a 415 rando chest unless there are a bunch of poopy chest pieces

[sand egret]

there are a lot of players who are in the same boat you’re in. ride your key, even post that your learning a route if you need to. i tend to put “chill” in the title to set expectations

[broken roost]

Also 410 Servant splitter from M+ chest ffs

replaces 385 but still

[sand egret]

once you get down the general ins and outs of a dungeon, it’s way easier to scale that up

[lusty grotto]

run sub 10s @last mason

yeah the fear thing doesn't make any sense but im still looking at logs

[last mason]

is it even worth trying it this week, these affixes suck

[sick sentinel]

not the worst ones

[steep lily]

Best ones for clap damage :)

[sick sentinel]

but explosive can get out of hand if you pull too much

[sand egret]

we’re pretty suited for them tbh

[broken roost]

Temple is pretty decent this week - no huge pulls and teeming isn't allllll that bad

[lusty grotto]

shield bearers right?

here's one where my lil bro did it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HbnhKxPQYpJjqcrN#fight=5&type=casts&source=95&ability=5246

[sand egret]

also, despite the “omg pull have the dungeon for big meme dps” rhetoric here, dont be afraid to ask for CC

esp this week on Teeming

[lusty grotto]

i gotta upload my logs

[ocean acorn]

so i noticed glickwarrior runs never surrender instead of bolster? is that right

[lusty grotto]

that's the cast though

[sand egret]

yeah thats just the cast

[ocean acorn]

nvm i think its just like an armory bug or something

[sand egret]

look at debuffs gained by the shield bearer

no Intim shoot

[lusty grotto]

please don't use never surrender, it might even be them meme'ing for whatever reason

[sand egret]

sorry im on mobile lo

[lusty grotto]

yeah im checking

[sand egret]

he casted it but it didnt affect the mob

[ocean acorn]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/tichondrius/Glickwar

[lusty grotto]

yeah you're right blade

i might be confusing with something else

[ocean acorn]

he is the only one who has done 21s i was currious to see talents and stiff

[sand egret]

thats why im here 😃

hek hek

[sick sentinel]

Just reinstalled yesterday, what's the go to talent build these days?

[lusty grotto]

sorry @keen galleon i was smoking something strong apparently lol

@sick sentinel

icy veins guide

[sick sentinel]

1121211 atm, not sure how good it is

[ocean acorn]

also u cant fear the sheild bearers cuz theya re undead and undead cant be feared

[lusty grotto]

yes, we know this

[ocean acorn]

thats why intimidating shout doesnt work o nthem

[sand egret]

yeah, Nim is just a bit dense

[ocean acorn]

lol

[sand egret]

been on his mage too longp

classic

[lusty grotto]

i havent touched the mage in 2 months

[ocean acorn]

lul

[sand egret]

TOO LONG

[proven galleon]

why 1121211 and not 1123211?

[warm plinth]

@sick sentinel Indom is bad. The only talent in that row worth taking (because it's so good) is Bolster.

[sand egret]

honestly: i havent changed my talents in so long that i always forget which talents are where

[proven galleon]

more hp aint that good only makes you more heal sponge

[warm plinth]

Other than that, it's fine, though Storm Bolt might serve you better depending on your group comp.

I only knew because I was looking at Glick's talents from that armory link @sand egret 😂

[lusty grotto]

the only tiers that are up to you are 2nd tier and 5th tier, everything else is set in stone for now

[warm plinth]

But Nim, 😢

[lusty grotto]

😢

[sand egret]

8.2

im callin it

[lusty grotto]

damn it blade

[warm plinth]

Ravager will be buffed. And still not be worth taking.

[lusty grotto]

please no

please no blade

unless if new talents 😃

[sand egret]

just watch

plus, i got a hot tip on the new azerite system

[warm plinth]

I think one of the articles Marok or Lala wrote suggested moving Ravager somewhere, which would at least make it slightly more appealing. Can't remember which article it was though.

[sand egret]

shit sounds 🔥

[warm plinth]

What's the hot tip

Don't hold out on us

[sand egret]

haha 🤐

[lusty grotto]

he signed an NDA, in blood

and spit

no girls allowed

[sand egret]

just blood

we stopped with spit a while ago

[warm plinth]

NDA = Need to DM Anyone you tell? I'm cool with that.

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[sick sentinel]

that is the ppm for tradewinds

[wide girder]

How is the new week in m+?

Warrs blast?

[warm plinth]

Teem/Explosive/Fortified? One of the worst weeks in my opinion.

[lusty grotto]

new week?

i mean its teeming and fort

so its a blast for good warriors and horrible for bad ones

explosive orbs omnomnom

[warm plinth]

😬

[wide girder]

Not so bad week, just need dhs and protwarrs

[lusty grotto]

DHs?

nope

[warm plinth]

I'm guessing Revenge is not one of the abilities that can hit orbs now right?

[lusty grotto]

doesn't matter

[warm plinth]

I mean, it does for my curiosity lol

[lusty grotto]

we basically 1 shot them and get victory rushes

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying I need it to; I was just wondering if it did.

[lusty grotto]

im not 100% sure on revenge

but usually an SS 1 shots them

[warm plinth]

Soloed a +12 Dresaron in Legion only because it was explosive week and I had victory rush procs lol

[lusty grotto]

i think i've 1 shotted them with deva

[warm plinth]

(no bracers)

Yeah I would think Revenge wouldn't. I think it was only things that required a primary target like Avenger's Shield

Even Blade Dance doesn't iirc, even though it has the priority target damage component

[lusty grotto]

i gotta get back to you on it... but

i think if you target them you can revenge them out

but once again not 100% sure

[sand egret]

Revenge should not, no. It’s not a chained ability

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think it was just things that jumped. Like Avenger's Shield, Throw Glaive, etc.

And the orb has to be your primary target

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[sand egret]

which are basically multiple single target spells that cast in a sequence

[lusty grotto]

i might not run M+ until thursday sigh

[warm plinth]

I always thought aoe shit should work on them as long as you targeted the orb though. Would be pretty cool.

[quiet relic]

so ilvl over everything i get that but if i lose like 15 percent haste is it really worth it? with all my hiest gear im at 399 but im only sitting at 13 percent haste and at 26 percent with all 5 stacks of ITF

[lusty grotto]

yes

[warm plinth]

Yes, it's worth it

[lusty grotto]

haste is a secondary

[sand egret]

yep

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > secondaries

[primal crypt]

Late and I did a bunch of pushing on this affix

[quiet relic]

damn

[primal crypt]

only difference is Reaping

[quiet relic]

feels so shitty

[lusty grotto]

today? wtf

[primal crypt]

but reaping is better than infested

[lusty grotto]

oh you mean season 1

[sand egret]

OK YALL CACHE TIME

[quiet relic]

im sitting at 14 percent vers at like 18 percent crit lol

[lusty grotto]

doesn't matter scooby

[warm plinth]

Yeah if you get a solid group that likes to chew on orbs, explosive isn't too bad. But your average pug will make you want to punch a baby

[lusty grotto]

secondaries aren't that important, they are all equally good

[sand egret]

tbh I usually get 90% of the orbs myself

[warm plinth]

Same, because I can't trust other people 😅

[lusty grotto]

nono you don't want group touching orbs

[primal crypt]

Pug explosives is the worst thing I've ever seen

[warm plinth]

Besides, VR procs nomnom

[lusty grotto]

orbs are ours always

[sand egret]

VR > Clap > repeat lol

[warm plinth]

Basically

[quiet relic]

well i got a 410 briny barn

[sand egret]

RIP

[quiet relic]

that was nice! good strng lol

[lusty grotto]

its an ok trinket

for dps

[quiet relic]

replaced a 380

[lusty grotto]

there are better but still ok

[quiet relic]

jes howleer

[warm plinth]

Trinkets are an exception to the ilevel rule btw. Large ilevel with main stat I'd still change, but if you have anything else close to that that's better overall, I'd use it instead probably.

[lusty grotto]

what did you get Blade

[sand egret]

GAHAHHAHAHA

[lusty grotto]

i got a fucking bracer

[quiet relic]

well my trinkets are either 380 jes howler or brany my other is the diamond

[lusty grotto]

also did you roll on your mystery azerite?

[warm plinth]

Maybe he got your sporepods

[lusty grotto]

LUL

[quiet relic]

so rip trinkets but ehhh

[warm plinth]

Not bad

[lusty grotto]

wow

screw you blade

no grats

[quiet relic]

nice

[warm plinth]

I have that shield, but at 380

[lusty grotto]

😢

jk grats man

big upgrade

[sand egret]

bout time tbh

[quiet relic]

i am using the 385 shield from a WQ with hast/maste/indes

[sand egret]

had that shield since week 3

[warm plinth]

What were you using before?

[sand egret]

380 w/socket

[warm plinth]

Ah

[lusty grotto]

shields are our biggest upgrades (always ilvl>all with them) Scooby

[sand egret]

that i got on the 3rd week lol

[lusty grotto]

they will make you tankier by miles

[quiet relic]

yeah

[sand egret]

so i'm really stoked on this

[quiet relic]

havnt goten anything higher yet

[sand egret]

5% increased block %$

[lusty grotto]

i might try to pug the raid

[warm plinth]

Didn't get lucky enough for a socket but I was using a 340 before that so I'm okay with it for now

[sand egret]

went from 45% to 50%

[warm plinth]

Sexy

[sand egret]

hek yeah

the KR key though =/

[lusty grotto]

i got ML 😃

[sand egret]

what are the teeming mobs in KR this week

[warm plinth]

Is it even possible for ML to have more mobs in it?

[sand egret]

honestly wouldn't notice

[warm plinth]

Ikr

[sand egret]

i feel like every pull is 10+ mobs

[inland mesa]

fucking let down cache

last week 410 wraps, this week 410 barnacle

[primal aurora]

P o g

[sand egret]

rough

eyy and my bear even got lucky. solid week i'd say

[warm plinth]

This was my chest this week

[sage rose]

guys, for survavibility, its better bastion of might or brace for impact?

[sand egret]

BFI from a straight defensive point. However, BoM's power varies by content

[warm plinth]

Crit block 🤤

[last mason]

m+ is such fucking trash this week, even as dps

[sand egret]

idk, i'm looking forward to this week

it's very much a "prot" week in many places

[last mason]

pugging is impossible

[sand egret]

just a bunch of hard hitting trash

meh, I only pug

[lusty grotto]

its pushing week

[last mason]

whats your m+ scoire

[lusty grotto]

bad rerolls can't go up in rankings

[sand egret]

i was ~1200 at the end of last season

[last mason]

probs high enough that you play with good people

[sand egret]

not super high

but i only pug

[last mason]

how tf are u finding people capable of playing these affixes when we;re in the same io range

[lusty grotto]

get similar io people?

[sick sentinel]

prot feels really good atm. I'm a happy boi

[sand egret]

tbh? you do 90% of the work this week

[lusty grotto]

how are you 1k+ when you don't know AD skip?

im curious

not even trying to flame

[last mason]

but youre flaming....

so

[broken roost]

what AD skip?

[sand egret]

this week is literally a) snag all the orbs and b) assign out CC if the pack is real nasty

[lusty grotto]

im not trying to flame

how did you get to 1k IO without knowing the skip?

[last mason]

'"not trying to flame, even though i just flamed u"

[broken roost]

I'm 1.2k and don't know what skip you're talking about

[warm plinth]

That's like saying "no offense, but..." and then saying something offensive 😏

[final mist]

You can get a relatively "high" score without knowing skips

It's not hard

[broken roost]

but I've also never done Shrine in time so can totally see it lol

[last mason]

those people are worse than the ones who have the balls to flame u to your face

[oblique garnet]

Does strenght in numbers stack?

[sand egret]

as your ilvl increases you naturally go up

it should Late

[final mist]

As long as you have a 10 in every key, your score should be around 1-1.1k

[oblique garnet]

the hp?

[sand egret]

yeah

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it should

[sand egret]

the hp value per target should increase, the target cap, no

[last mason]

i was at 1100 last season without doing the skip because i typically dps and know how to cc chain the adds in that pack and focus them before they become issues

[sand egret]

but anyway @last mason it's all about knowing the pack mate.

[oblique garnet]

just pull everything and see what happens

[warm plinth]

So, if you had 5 enemies and 3 traits at 400 ilevel, you could potentially add like 152k hp 😮

[sand egret]

i generally view this week as a pushing week, because the affixes are very straight forward and don't relay on other players (like dps during bursting, or Greivous etc)

so it comes down to knowing the best way to deal with X pack

[last mason]

how is this week a pushing week, all the affixes make the dunigeon take exponentially more time

[oblique garnet]

Wdym?

[sand egret]

well % and stuff is increased relative to teeming

[last mason]

last week was a push week

[lusty grotto]

🤦

[oblique garnet]

Fortified is better push week

[sand egret]

so it doesn't actually make it longer

[last mason]

affixes are negligible if done correctly

[lusty grotto]

last week was ez-mod eweek

[oblique garnet]

tyrannical makes bosses last forever

[sand egret]

Tryrannical inflates boss hp which is the huge time sink

since its % based on a HUGE base

[last mason]

even on tyrannical you dont spend as much time on bosses as you do trash

[lusty grotto]

im not gonna say anything

[sand egret]

As prot you should be deleting trash imho

as you're basically bringing 4 dps

[oblique garnet]

you do tho

yazma literally lasts 4-6minutes on a key above 15

[lusty grotto]

all im gonna say is that i remembered IO was based on servers, so in some servers 1k is easier than others

so that makes sense i guess

[sand egret]

it's super relative

like, i was #1 on my server

and clearly not that high

[last mason]

im on sargeras

not exactly a small server

[warm plinth]

Wait what? How is 1k easier for some people than others? You have to do the exact same dungeons/level of key to get the same score 🤔

[sand egret]

idk my advice is to know each pull in and out

this week isn't super hard

im ho

[last mason]

yea if server affected io that would be so stupid

[lusty grotto]

nah ghash

[oblique garnet]

it does affect tho

[sand egret]

it is pretty relative

[lusty grotto]

rankings are different on each server

[last mason]

you could be like 1700 on garona and ik on sarg

[oblique garnet]

some servers have lower treshold where you get rating

i.e you get score from lower ranked keys etc

[warm plinth]

Okay but that makes it more tedious, not harder

[sand egret]

what Late said

[warm plinth]

You're doing the same difficulty dungeon to get x score

[high temple]

lmao thats some horrid logic right there

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[sand egret]

but on X server that score isn't even posted

[oblique garnet]

^

[sand egret]

because you need to do a +15 and not a +10

since EVERYONE did a +10

[oblique garnet]

lets take this week as an example

[last mason]

god this xpac fucking sucks, i cant even repsec back to dps because of fucking 80k reforge costs

[final mist]

Score isn't affected by server.

Time affects the score.

[high temple]

isnt it 500 per realm? and if ANY members realm has a spot the key will be added? lmao

[warm plinth]

I guess. But you can adjust and do keys right after reset if you're on a server like that. It doesn't affect your score, but rather your ability to get a run counted.

[final mist]

THe only way the server comes in is if it's tracked.

[high temple]

really hard to have 500 keys done at a certain level and if it is theyre probably not very high

[warm plinth]

And as cavey said, if you have anybody in your group on a lower pop score, it's still counted.

[sand egret]

but the Time that's recorded is pitted against other times, no?

[thin ore]

that 500 limit is no longer there

[warm plinth]

lower pop server*

[final mist]

https://support.raider.io/kb/frequently-asked-questions/what-is-the-base-score-value-for-each-level-keystone

[oblique garnet]

This is on draenor EU what youd need to do in order to get score from your key

[final mist]

TL;DR Keys have base scores, the faster you complete them, the better your score is.

[warm plinth]

Only if your entire group was on Draenor EU @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[high temple]

what affixes is that late? was it last weeks US?

[oblique garnet]

yes last week

[sand egret]

ah, ok that makes sense then

[oblique garnet]

So tyrannical raging volcanic

[high temple]

those affixes were free thats not overly hard to do

[final mist]

Server doesn't come in at all in terms of how the score works, just whether or not it's trackable - and that's not Raider.io's part, that's because of Blizzard's API.

So telling someone their score is only good because they're only a lower populated server is, to be quite frank, a load of horse shit.

[sand egret]

so what your saying is that regardless of whether it's tracked, you'll still see gains on completing a timed key higher than your previous best

[warm plinth]

Yeah so just as an example, say a +10 in time gives 100 points (which is fairly close to what it actually is). If you do the key in time, you get 100 points no matter what if it's in the top 500 for any of the group's realms. No one else's run comes into it or affects your score in any way past that.

Your score will not change if the run isn't tracked. But what I'm saying is that even if it wouldn't track on your server, it probably will on someone else in your group's server, unless you're all on the same realm.

[sand egret]

Ahh, that last part was what I was hung up on

[warm plinth]

Because it just has to be top 500 for ANYONE's realm, not yours specifically

[sand egret]

that makes sense now

although, as a side bar, there's probably a knock-on effect of higher pop servers as they would generally trend to have higher average ilvls thus giving you a higher chance to get someone that outgears a given key leading to higher overall r.io scores 🤔

after all, if a server has a bunch of mythic guilds selling heroic runs....that's just that many more people with gear they maybe wouldn't have the same opportunity to get elsewhere

[warm plinth]

If you're looking at building a group composed of everyone being on the same server, that would be relevant. But otherwise, M+ is the entire region working together, so you're not only pulling group members from your server's population.

[oblique garnet]

PogChamp is that the real GLICKZ typing

[sick sentinel]

🤔

[hushed minnow]

If I were to have 2 treacherous covenants would I take 30% more damage below the threshold

Or just 15 cos it isn’t a flat number

[warm plinth]

No, still 15

[hushed minnow]

Just double checking big ty friend

[atomic zenith]

callous reprisal or bloodsport for m+?

[fierce juniper]

Bloodsport

[daring marlin]

@last mason sargeras too eh

fun

[lusty grotto]

i stand corrected, also i apologize @last mason

ive been confusing too many things today

rankings with io score, fear on AD shieldbearers

[last mason]

apparently you cant dk pull them anymore either

it travels with thtem

[rotund sluice]

how's bonded souls for prot?

[fierce juniper]

It's pretty good, definitely one of the better generics

[exotic hazel]

Was reading above, I heard that armory is tracking your best run as of 8.1 and raider.io is now pulling from that so having to run early in the week for lower keys is no longer a thing. Anyone know differently..?

[fierce juniper]

still wouldn't take it over a prot specific one

[last mason]

@lusty grotto was just fucking tilted because i suck at prot rn even though i have good gear for it, and because i had so much fun tanking in legion

was extrapolating my tilt to other thigns

[ocean acorn]

is it better to stack specific traits or get a variety

[fierce juniper]

Ignoring the fact that you only want one DC, you want to stack traits if those traits are better.
e.g. for raids, you'd be better off with say 3 BfI instead of 2 BfI and 1 IF

thats just an example but you get the idea

[warm plinth]

@exotic hazel I can't find anything from raider.io stating that they changed where they pull the data from; that being said, I would think that "best run" stat on your character page probably pulls from the leaderboards anyway, so it likely wouldn't change whether a run shows up on raider.io or not.

[ocean acorn]

so i normally tank m+ would it be the same?

[fierce juniper]

yeah

[ocean acorn]

alright thanks marok

[warm plinth]

@ocean acorn Which traits you choose to get/stack might change based on the content you do. For example a lot of people choose to stack Bastion of Might for M+, but the premise of stacking traits as Marok stated would still apply regardless.

[rocky tendon]

What traits i should go with engi helm?

[glass elk]

Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism, BIS or no? and why

[fierce juniper]

If you're getting your DC from that, DC, Relational Normalization Gizmo, Ablative, Absorb-o-Tron.
Spark Capacitor is also good, but imo Gizmo is better.

Refracting Prism is BiS for survivability. No other trinkets really provide as much healing/DR as that trinket does.

[ocean acorn]

Currently running 3x BoM 1 DC 1 CR

still only have a 1 trait for shoulders if wondering why only 5

[modern brook]

spell reflect still bugged on jadefire?

[fierce juniper]

in what way?

[modern brook]

whre the fire debuff will hurt your raid

when it expires

[fierce juniper]

i doubt thats a bug

or rather

[modern brook]

so its still working as intended then :^)?

[fierce juniper]

its still working that way, yeah

[modern brook]

rip ty :^(

[fierce juniper]

but thats likely just how the spell is programmed. debuff falls off, deals damage to the (player) raid, regardless of where the debuff fell off from

[modern brook]

so its def not worth spell reflecting it

[fierce juniper]

its worth it if your raid is perfectly fine when it comes to healing

its just extra damage on boss

[modern brook]

we're triple healing so i probably shouldnt

[fierce juniper]

yeah

probably not the best idea

[tropic star]

does fire resist actually do anything

nothing on character sheet telling me

[brisk ferry]

I don't usually ask these kinds of questions, but what would u guys use?

[last mason]

390

[brisk ferry]

it's Season 1 390 btw

[last mason]

oh

[modern brook]

scrap the 370 use the 390 roll a 415 :^)

[brisk ferry]

yeh I can roll 415 next week for that slot

just BoM+DC versus garbo 390. was tougher call than usual

[modern brook]

bom if is def better than blood sport

84 str is pgood too

[brisk ferry]

sorry BoM+IF*

[modern brook]

i say s2 is probably better

[brisk ferry]

alright cool, thanks

oh forgot to mention I strictly run M+

[oblique garnet]

@glass elk yes its bis

[timber nest]

this any good?

[primal aurora]

Flexin on us

[timber nest]

?

its a serious question

[round oasis]

is a ring with 244 cirt, 206 mastery, and 77 leech - better than 206 crit, 244 haste (nothing else)

basically is mastery + 77 leech better than haste?

[timber nest]

what ilevel are they?

cuz ilevel > all

if they are equal ilevel then haste is probly better

[round oasis]

both the same, 395

[upper spoke]

auto self cauterizer or personal absorb-o-tron?

for prot

i use synaptic spark over relational normalization, in the 2nd tier or traits

but wouldnt mind input about that

[oblique garnet]

Auto self cauterizer works on some bleeds

In boD

It works on grong iirc and conclave bleeds

[steel mauve]

haste would be better over the mastery ring choice, we do have a stat priority for those types of situations

[timber nest]

how goods the mekkatorque trinket?

[quiet crane]

It’s strong

[round oasis]

@steel mauve I know, but is the Leech not worth anything?

[steel mauve]

not tertiaries really

nice to have but secondaries are still better in our stat order

[round oasis]

ok thanks

[merry bane]

whats happening guys

I just had a new 370 helm drop. is it worth replacing my 390 that has 4 traits when this has 5

[quiet crane]

Depends show us

[merry bane]

trying to get a snapshot now

[timber nest]

@quiet crane better than a 400 rezans or 400+socket butcher block

[merry bane]

thats the helm I had drop Jay

[quiet crane]

My memory is extremely tragic I’ll need to see the numbers on each trink post and I’ll be glad to help to the best I can

[timber nest]

@quiet crane

[quiet crane]

I’d take giga over rez

[quiet crane]

What’s the other helm @merry bane

[merry bane]

and thats my current helm

[quiet crane]

Stay as you’re with the 390

[lucid kelp]

Rastakan trinket is...bad? I dont see it on the iceyveins guide anywhere

[merry bane]

that helm isnt worth it? then ill scrap it for resdium

[quiet crane]

Use the 390 helm

Woah hold on

Forgot S2 numbers are bunnies

Bumped

I’d still take the 390

But the 370 is extraordinary close in my opinion

[merry bane]

I know it is

in term sof pure strength the 370 is lower

but gainign 2 primary azerites

[quiet crane]

I’d stay 390 personally but they’re extremely close

[merry bane]

so ill use the 370 for my dps set

[quiet crane]

Meh it’s really not needed man but the voice is yours the values would be so close between those two helms with possibly the 370 winning only slightly due to bloodsport and being only roughly 40 strength diff

Me personally ally simply for Ilvl I’d stay the 390 o think the values would be so close it wouldn’t make a huge impact

[merry bane]

dude that combo. BFI, BS, WoW and IV

[warm plinth]

Keep in mind that you get 20% extra stamina from the 370, and an additional trait. It's probably worth it tbh.

[merry bane]

so many defensives

[quiet crane]

What’s your heart though

[merry bane]

34

[quiet crane]

Then you would have unlocked the inner sorry didn’t take that into account

I’d say the 370 then

But the difference still wouldn’t be huge

[warm plinth]

Yeah if you had only the outer ring, it's not worth changing with that much difference

Kinda like how you wouldn't change a relic in the crucible if you didn't have tier 3 unlocked yet

In Legion

[sick sentinel]

Welp, looks like im the new tank for my guild, the old tank wanted to dps again

[warm plinth]

Is that good or bad?

[sick sentinel]

Good for me

Bad for whoever wanted to tank in the guild

[quiet crane]

Lulz

[lucid kelp]

i've debated hanging up my shield and picking up a second sword

[warm plinth]

How dare you

[plain ice]

hey all - titan rediduum question. buying my first random 415 piece. if i'm only ever going to be doing mythic champions of light and pugging heroic and 15s for m+, are shoulders by best purchase? i have 3x 400 pieces from the first 3 bosses on heroic right now

[true plover]

405 Feather w/ socket, 400 Alc Stone, 400 Gigavolt Engine. Which two for M+? Also have a 385 Opulence trinket to swap in for defense.

[quiet crane]

Shoulders will always have a DC

And 1random trait

I’d say worth tbh

[sick sentinel]

Aye, killed H rastakhan in 1 try

Seems like my guild got their souls back

[soft kindle]

@sick sentinel oy, how good is opulence trinket for tanking

[sick sentinel]

HUUUUUUUGE

ticks faster with haste

does insane HPS

@oblique garnet has it and out-HPS' the healer

[lucid bough]

mate i want that trinket so much

[warm plinth]

Get it

Opulence go-go

[true plover]

Any opinions on my prior trinket question? lol

[warm plinth]

Refresh me what feather is?

[true plover]

the 1minute on use mastery trinket

[warm plinth]

Probably feather + alc. 2 on-use would be pretty bleh

[true plover]

Don't think the gigavolt would beat out feather?

[warm plinth]

Not in M+, since you're likely to consistently have a 1 min CD on Avatar and engine has 1.5 min CD

[sick sentinel]

@true plover feather is HUGE damage

[warm plinth]

It'd be massive, especially with BoM. I'm actually drooling a bit

thinking about it