protection

[chilly brook]

DH is a wet tissue paper tank

With nothing to really show for it

[modern brook]

VDH isnt a spec

DH = havoc, thought that was implied

[neon tangle]

@modern brook The prot buffs were basically all numerical tho

[modern brook]

yeah

[neon tangle]

buffing vanguard, lowering a CD

[modern brook]

Hence inc nerf

[neon tangle]

they could have done that way earlier in 8.0, but they didn't

[modern brook]

u cant nerf "grip moves adds and no other tank can do it as efficiently" without removing the ability

[lusty grotto]

Hey Griff I'm playing apex too

[chilly brook]

I mean the vanguard changes I think are the only thing that will be nerfed

[lusty grotto]

So fun

[chilly brook]

Because we really didn’t need them imo

[neon tangle]

@modern brook My point isn't so much "why didn't they nerf DK" but more "they waited a very long time to buff prot"

[chilly brook]

But even then

I’m kinda iffy on if we’ll even get a nerf

[modern brook]

People were also actively avoiding prot warriors i 8.0 despite the fact they were very much the same as their 8.1 iteration

My point is that 8.0 warrior damage was over tuned and it wasnt addressed then because the spec was "Legion survival hunter" levels of unplayed unplayed

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I doubt the whole nerf thing

[chilly brook]

Yea it’s certainly a quality product

Especially for free

Shroud streamed it for over 17 hours lmao

[lusty grotto]

Lol

I snagged 4 wins yesterday

[chilly brook]

@modern brook if it was overtuned it would’ve been nerfed in 8.1

I think I got 5 or so

[lusty grotto]

Nice

[modern brook]

🤷

[neon tangle]

anyhow, I don't know if blizz will fuck with it, they very well could let the meta work itself out through this season

[modern brook]

tank wise i think thats fine

[lusty grotto]

Bears though..

Poor bears

[modern brook]

I still have a lot of complaints with the DPS end of things

rip 🐻

[chilly brook]

I have a lot of complaints that I’m not gonna voice

[neon tangle]

I, uhhh, yeah... I feel for bears

and VDH in some regards

[modern brook]

vdh is the worst aspects of all the tanks

[chilly brook]

The funny thing is it wouldn’t take much to “fix” VDH

[modern brook]

i would take a bear over vdh in any content every day of the week and twice on sunday

[lusty grotto]

Hmm

I haven't played heals in around 2 months? So I can't comment

[chilly brook]

If there’s one tank that needs 100% uptime on their AM it’s really DH

[neon tangle]

I can't really comment on bears because I never see them

I pugged an uldir one time where the other tank was a bear

but they were stuck on h zul

[tropic star]

vdh is like the bastard chile of warrior and DK

[wary gyro]

My guild had a Dh tank for our aotc

[tropic star]

but then they gave it leather...

[modern brook]

I mean lets be real

[tropic star]

i feel it neards more than 1 CD

[chilly brook]

I mean the fact that it’s leather isn’t the problem

[tropic star]

meta is all they got

[modern brook]

it has 2 :^)

firey brand 😄

[tropic star]

the fire thing is not really a CD

[chilly brook]

The problem is that they get smacked hella hard without AM

[modern brook]

VDH is not really a tank so it fits

[chilly brook]

And their AM is pretty sparse

[tropic star]

Brand is used like on CD

dont have spikes or orbs? use brand now

at 1 min i wouldnt call it a real CD

[neon tangle]

so it's like warrior, but with less CDs

[modern brook]

VDH needs to be face tanking to have leech,and maintain its mitigation

But they gave it a kiting profile

[lusty grotto]

brand is like bolster

kind of

used to fill in gaps

[modern brook]

its a kit that doesnt make sense

[chilly brook]

The kit would make sense

[modern brook]

You have to use your kiting tools

[tropic star]

with the gap filling regard yeah i agree

[modern brook]

to do dps

because otherwise you cant leech

[chilly brook]

If it could actually face tank

[lusty grotto]

i mean at least they have a 3 button off spec that tops charts

xD

[modern brook]

YEah im saying

[chilly brook]

Lul

[modern brook]

VDH isnt a spec man

just play havoc

[sick sentinel]

Just play a top tier

-The FGC

[chilly brook]

Yea play indom warrior

[lusty grotto]

mmhmm

[sick sentinel]

Fucking shut up

[modern brook]

-The FGC

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[modern brook]

There's a huge difference between not playing 12 cause he's not chun li and not playing Vengence because its an incomplete and unfun spec thats barely capable of scraping by whats expected of it

for the record

[lusty grotto]

they should make a 3rd ranged spec for DHs that tops charts but require piano-skills to master - dreams

[neon tangle]

We all know that if blizzard tried that you'd just spam glaive throw

[lusty grotto]

lol

[modern brook]

Stance dancing Glaive throw spec

[chilly brook]

Didn’t sco say post 8.1 that warrior was still bad?

[modern brook]

"this is what u wanted right?"

[lusty grotto]

shhh lord sco has us covered

hes trying to stop our secret

from reaching the masses

[chilly brook]

I think the cat is out of the bag lol

Used on most of the world first fights

[lusty grotto]

fake news

[modern brook]

THat was the handicap

"gotta carry a shitty prot lol" - WF guilds gentlemen agreement

[chilly brook]

Lul

[neon tangle]

hey guys did you know that prot still dies the most in h BoD

prot's bad

get over it

[chilly brook]

Lololololol

Even more proof of that metric being baseless for anything other than showing that a mess up or bad healers mean a healing and mitigation dependent class will die if not being played correctly

[modern brook]

Prot=more wipes, then

healers are 🍩

[chilly brook]

I agree

[neon tangle]

@chilly brook I mean prot's still not exactly beefy outside of block

so if people fuck up

they are gonna die

[chilly brook]

Last Mythic guild I was in the healers would never top me off between thrashes

That’s a ton of time

Well not a ton but really it’s should have been extremely reasonable

[neon tangle]

Prot suffers from exactly the same issues, but give them 5% more EHP and suddenly everyone loves them 😛

shit's wacky

[modern brook]

IP off GCD = best tank na

[lusty grotto]

suddenly we had a dps buff

[chilly brook]

Well I wouldn’t say exactly

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

[chilly brook]

I feel like we’re a lot smoother now simply because I feel like I’m almost never without an IP

[modern brook]

I mean not having to plan IP is a big improvement

but it doesnt make us good

[chilly brook]

But other than that yea

[modern brook]

IP has been secondary and it still is

[chilly brook]

Obv

But more consistent IP is still less damage

[modern brook]

sadbox has public perception down to a tee

[neon tangle]

It's pretty minor honestly

[modern brook]

5% EHP and we're gods

🤷

[chilly brook]

But yes Sad is correct

It literally took the most mundane of buffs to make us into “gods” from “shit tier”

[steel mauve]

Probably because the masses dont understand what ehp even is

[daring marlin]

hey remember when people were like

yo prot gon’ be trash

muh utility

all these buffs won’t matter

[modern brook]

prot is trash

[chilly brook]

‘Member when people were like “prot can’t do Mythic Uldir”

[neon tangle]

@daring marlin I'm still here complaining about it

[daring marlin]

until muh utility

[neon tangle]

but the community doesn't listen to me

and people keep killing m jaina with prots

[modern brook]

I'm mad Kul Tiran got Warrior utiltiy

haymaker shoulda beena talent

[neon tangle]

@modern brook Just get the eng belt

[steel mauve]

Or gain it when you pop avatar 👌

[neon tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=153592/belt-enchant-personal-space-amplifier

[chilly brook]

Avatar TCs should just permastun the mobs

#utility

[sick sentinel]

"Warriors take more healing and damage then other tanks, they suck"

[modern brook]

100 true, 5% more eHP PLZ

[uneven mason]

wat

[sick sentinel]

Never seen more Logs whenever people said that in 8.0

[neon tangle]

similarly people acted like BDK was going to be shit tier because of losing 8% EHP

[uneven mason]

lol

I mean

they took a rough hit vs physical burst damage

risk of being 1shot

but all in all

[neon tangle]

and we went in to a tier w/o a fetid

[uneven mason]

BDK is just dandy

been tanking on mine in HC pugs

they're pretty beefy

[sick sentinel]

So, business as usual for bdk then

[uneven mason]

Oppulence coin sweep hits harder than Thrash sadbox

[stark sage]

well they dont overwhelmingly dominate the m+ leaderboards atleast

[uneven mason]

^^

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason It's pretty wimpy w/ the diamond buff

[uneven mason]

TFW Warriors don't need the diamond buff

[neon tangle]

and the BDK healing on that fight is SO SILLY because of the absorb

[chilly brook]

I still remember going into the xpac when my guild was literally questioning my decision on prot warrior

[uneven mason]

ME TOO

[sick sentinel]

U mean every guild

"But sco said ur literal dogshit, he's method and WF"

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason Healing from BDK 25% of the damage before absorbs, so DKs heal like craaaazy on Opulence

[uneven mason]

yeah, but still

[chilly brook]

Then less than a week into 120 the healers were all like “you take no damage and I’m bored”

[uneven mason]

1 sweep without diamond buff

and ded BDK

unless Parry

cause parry

[neon tangle]

We just do mechanics I guess

[uneven mason]

right

never going to say BDK is bad, but no tank really outclasses the other this tier

except for VDH

cause they're garbage

[neon tangle]

THis is true

I'm more saying that the only big physical hit is coin sweep, and it's on a fight that is in some ways still really friendly to BDK 😛

[uneven mason]

yarp

BDK on the lightening side

very good

constant pressure without much burst

[sick sentinel]

Man fuck opulence

[uneven mason]

lets that DS really work

[sick sentinel]

Yet to clear it without one side staggering

[uneven mason]

<

lol

[sick sentinel]

ITS NOT A HARD FIGHT

[uneven mason]

no, literally "don't stand in bad"

[sick sentinel]

Just fucking attack THE ONE THING

[uneven mason]

for half of it

and then the other half is DO BOOKOODEEPUS

[neon tangle]

I wish I had a prot warrior co-tank for that fight

so that I could grip + mega slow the adds

and watch them go ham w/ TC

[sick sentinel]

It's the funniest shit

CDs pop and everything with adds

Laugh as everyone says, why tho

[neon tangle]

This whole raid has been great imo

so many fun fights

especially as a tank

Uldir had good fights overall but so boring as the tank

[sick sentinel]

It's funny as hell tho whenever I have to explain to my guild why I'm doing so much damage

And I'm still rocking the old 385's

[neon tangle]

reaping is fun too

[sick sentinel]

Reaping is fun, with smart players

[neon tangle]

basically, I am loving BfA

[keen galleon]

Guys, guys, I just hafta show somebody this

[sick sentinel]

It ain't a shield and ain't got haste

[neon tangle]

goddamn

[sick sentinel]

But talk about luck

[keen galleon]

Ya also its indestructible not avoidance/speed so pretty bad all around

[neon tangle]

I wouldn't complain

that's a fab piece

[keen galleon]

I'm just hyped cuz I ran 50+ 10s last week and my best drop was a 405.

[sick sentinel]

No hate it with me

[keen galleon]

I was pretty fucking tilted

[neon tangle]

jesus I can't imagine running that many m+'s

I ran like 5

[keen galleon]

Dude I fucking love this season

[sick sentinel]

That's not even that many in a week

[keen galleon]

Reaping is legitimately fun

[sick sentinel]

That's 10 a day

[neon tangle]

I just don't have that much time

[naive panther]

Right on. I’d be excited about anything max lvl with a socket. I have one 425 item on my main

[neon tangle]

to play WoW

I wish I did tho, m+ is great

[sick sentinel]

Make more time

[keen galleon]

I spend a lot of time helping guildies and stuff

[neon tangle]

@sick sentinel I gotta work yo

[sick sentinel]

I'm AT work right lol

U think I'm not playing wow right now?

This brain is wow 90%

[neon tangle]

50 * 40 minutes == 33 hours or something

[sick sentinel]

That's if u don't time it

[primal crypt]

40 min

Wow

Thats rough

[neon tangle]

I think 40 minutes is a pretty valid time including the overhead of getting to the dungeon / etc

25 hours if you take it down to 30 minutes still

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, 5 hours a day

Ur rl don't matter,work and wow

Thats all that matters

[neon tangle]

I think I'm OK

[keen galleon]

My log says on average when my group is running keys it took us approx 45 minutes total per key, including travel times and breaks on avg

[sick sentinel]

Who needs real life comfort, just sacrifice ur physical and mental health and social being for more time on the wow clock

[keen galleon]

About 20 of those keys were pugs or partial pugs and those averaged closer to an hour total

Overall I spent about 45 hours in dungeons

[inland mesa]

@small nexus got the mount? the hero we deserve that uses indom

[keen galleon]

I took two days off last week so in reality it was about 12.5 dungeons/day so about 12hrs of wow per day.

Aka enough wow

[small nexus]

idk why ppl think I use indom

lol

[final mist]

people here everywhere are idiots

[uneven mason]

Hey Sal

🐻

[final mist]

👋

[uneven mason]

@small nexus Thanks for representing us! ITS BEEN A RAID TIER COMING !

[stiff gate]

For almost exclusively m+ pushing: Tradewinds or Iron Fortress? I don't see any of the generic traits on the icy veins page for prot, just the class specific ones

[lusty grotto]

its a meme

lord sco = indom

method = indom

justwait = indom

[final mist]

You're... Just

Stop

Please

[neon tangle]

@stiff gate rule of thumb is that prot traits > generic ones

[stiff gate]

ok, just wasnt sure since i know m+ is a bit different (like how bastion is best after one DC in m+ but is near the bottom for raiding)

[lusty grotto]

oh come on sal

it has been a meme since legion

[final mist]

It was a shitty meme then and it's still a shitty meme now

It's also not Friday

[lusty grotto]

im just answering him

christ no need to suck it up to him

[fierce juniper]

lets all just be friends pls

[sand egret]

hot damn that's a nice shield @keen galleon

that indestructible roll

[primal crypt]

Dads here

[sand egret]

OP as fuuuuck

[sick sentinel]

It's a wrist

Not shield

[primal crypt]

LMAO

AHAHAHAHAHA

[sand egret]

wow

[broken roost]

:(

[primal crypt]

oof

[sand egret]

emotional rollecoaster

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[sand egret]

(still not a bad pickup tho haha)

[sick sentinel]

For sure, but God damn if that was a shield

[sand egret]

after doing a few reapings....indestructible on shield would save me a bunch of gold

[chilly brook]

Off topic but much lol

https://i.redd.it/9fsmqtd24se21.jpg

[keen galleon]

I mean yes, it would be nicer if it was a shield :(

Or you know, legs, or another slot with a bigger stat budget

But I'm not gonna look the 425 titanforged socketed gift horse in the mouth

[sick sentinel]

@chilly brook why are u hurting me like this

Don't remind me of the pain

[chilly brook]

It’s funny tho

[sick sentinel]

Is it? Cause this ain't tears of joy or laughter

[chilly brook]

Well the fact that tf2 got cucked isn’t but the fact that Legends is cucking BF is

[sick sentinel]

"Let's get rid of the 2 things that make our game stand out, to be like everyone else since rng, not skill, makes a BR"

[sand egret]

not really gonna get into it here, but hard disagree

[chilly brook]

Ehhhh I don’t agree with that

At all

[sick sentinel]

Titans and mobility.

[chilly brook]

It’s a very unique experience compared to other BRs

[sand egret]

also anyone confirm for my own sanity that reaping adds don't spawn explosives?1

[sick sentinel]

They do now

Thanks

[chilly brook]

Mobility is still pretty high

[sick sentinel]

No wall running, x2/3 jumping

No titans

[chilly brook]

Yes and the game doesn’t feel worse off without either

[sand egret]

one thing I will say is: they had that in, and it was a very, very shitty experience. That is why it is not included currently.

but anyway, not a topic for here

[primal crypt]

Nice update

[sick sentinel]

They had it in but EA wanted FN money

[primal crypt]

Limit is hard stuck on opulence

Lmaooooooo

[sand egret]

they reclearing?

[primal crypt]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

They might as well

[sand egret]

nerd, that's not true

it was removed for gameplay reasons

[primal crypt]

They're wiping over and over on opulence right now on full tilt

[chilly brook]

It was all respawn’s choice to release it now and remove what they did

[sand egret]

which part Yamo
?

[primal crypt]

Not sure

[sick sentinel]

Yea and I have this tiger replent rock I can sell u

[primal crypt]

Didnt get the specifics

[chilly brook]

There’s plenty of actual journalism on the game rn

Trust me

[sick sentinel]

And more coming out

I mean u read that article I hope about how "EA had no hand in respawn decision with Apex"

[indigo knot]

Anyone have the reasoning behind JustWaits swap to warrior over monk?

[sick sentinel]

Ask him @small nexus

[chilly brook]

Because warrior has indom

Duh 🙃

[sick sentinel]

God that meme is stupid, but so god damn funny

[chilly brook]

I’d assume something along the line of enjoying it more and it being a good tank spec

[small fable]

Easier on the fingers

Brewmaster makes my hand hurt

[primal crypt]

How about that dev that got arrested for the child molestation ring

Dude was tweeting WF prog

Tons of drama right now in the gaming world

[chilly brook]

Damn

[astral crystal]

lol

he was a soy asian too

[chilly brook]

Apex hit over one million in 8 hours after release

[last mason]

Wait reaping spawns explosive?

[wary gyro]

It shouldnt

[ebon hound]

Oh no

[wary gyro]

Did they fuck it up

[warm plinth]

Shouldn't; they aren't supposed to be affected by any affixes.

[primal crypt]

Welcome to Blizzard Entertainment.

Dont expect anything

[chilly brook]

Truth

Expect disappointment

[wary gyro]

Ok but seriously is there confirmation reaping is spawning explosive?

[chilly brook]

No clue

Go science it

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Go do a 10

[wary gyro]

I would but work

[primal crypt]

Let us know

Leave work

Go do a 10

Tell us

Then go back to work

[warm plinth]

Don't even have to do the whole dungeon. Just do 20% forces then bail on the group after reaping wave

[chilly brook]

Just tell your boss you gotta go science for two hours and that you’ll be back to finish your shift with two extra hours

[sick sentinel]

Chances are it'll spawn before they all die

So u'll find out quick

[wary gyro]

Look 2 hours isn't even long enough for me to go home and come back

[sick sentinel]

I'll be home in a hourish

[chilly brook]

Ok then 3

[sick sentinel]

But I bet by then, someone will say whether it does or doesn't

[wary gyro]

My commute is about an hour and a half on its own

[chilly brook]

4 hours then xD

I think the next class in WoW should be piranha plant

Change my mind

[small nexus]

I swapped to warrior

cuz it's a nice tank

🤔

[daring marlin]

you tell 'em dude

[small nexus]

because you dont tank 24/7

you can keep up block pmuch always

so it's lit

[primal crypt]

Lit

Grats on the kill @small nexus

[sick sentinel]

-something something indom meme secret-

[chilly brook]

He’s not wrong you know

[inland mesa]

"Can't tank all the time"

channeling my inner crow

[sick sentinel]

Ok but for real tho, we need to start making bets on WHAT will be nerfed

[chilly brook]

If anything Vanguard would be my bet

[ebon hound]

Unstoppable Force 100%

[chilly brook]

Them nerfing UF would require way more tuning to the class

[sand egret]

eh

not really

[chilly brook]

They’d actually have to touch all our other damage abilities

[uneven mason]

uh

[sand egret]

they would yeha

[uneven mason]

no they could just literally turn us into guardian druids

[sick sentinel]

My bet is on block overall

#cantblocktherocknomore

[chilly brook]

I mean let’s think about this

It’s blizz

They don’t wanna do extra work

The ez choice is Vanguard

[daring marlin]

guildy says reaping doesn't spawn explosive

shocking

[sand egret]

that's good to hear

[wary gyro]

I dont know that their going to come down on block overall because that affects pallies too

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt gimme a quick breakdown as to how to do damage as fury

[uneven mason]

SB now only gives 75% increased chance to block

[chilly brook]

Like I said

[uneven mason]

ROLLITBACK

TBC

[daring marlin]

@oblique garnet hit buttons

[oblique garnet]

yeah im doing that

[sand egret]

if you wanna shore up the current outlier, you turn UF into a 75% damage increase

[oblique garnet]

but i feel like i hit nothing

[daring marlin]

hit them harder

you're fury after all

[oblique garnet]

i think i need more crit

to actually do good damage

[daring marlin]

crit is only valuable if you have CSHB

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet quick tl dr

Reck on Cd

[oblique garnet]

i do have it guilford

[primal crypt]

Siege on CD

Rampage for enrage or about to cap

[daring marlin]

and prioritize BT

[primal crypt]

Raging blow if 2 stacks

Prioritize BT

Whirlwind when you have nothing left

Or if you're cleaving

[sick sentinel]

Or just reroll havoc

[primal crypt]

Then you whirlwind every two casts

[oblique garnet]

i do have havoc

but we have too many dhs so thats not an option when warrior gets fucked

[sick sentinel]

Fuck them play a top tier

[primal crypt]

Try to siegebreaker before rampage

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i mean

[primal crypt]

To squeeze in as many rampage as possible

[oblique garnet]

thats kinda obvious xD

[primal crypt]

OH

Execute

During enrage

[uneven mason]

I've got Druid, Warrior, Pal, DK all over 390 now..need to finish up my monk...

[primal crypt]

If you proc

[uneven mason]

then I'll have all the tanks

[warm plinth]

Don't you need Guardian to 425 before it's comparable though? Are you really finished yet?

[sick sentinel]

Ur missing DH @uneven mason

[modern brook]

he said tanks

[neon tangle]

Like he said, all the tanks

[sick sentinel]

Wow

[primal crypt]

😂

[warm plinth]

If you want to use that logic though, Guardian shouldn't be on the list either.

[sick sentinel]

Square up bitch, fuck u talking about

[uneven mason]

Guardian isn't fun, but at least its not made out of grease soaked napkins under a bench at Arby's

[strong hill]

Oooo ravager memes are back ??

[neon tangle]

They never left

[sick sentinel]

Yeah u didn't see the race?

[uneven mason]

Opulence's tankbuster is parryable Kindred

[warm plinth]

@uneven mason That's really my only issue with Guardian; soooo boring

[sick sentinel]

JustWait was using it, on the kill

[strong hill]

Parryable you say. This is relevant to my interests !

[final mist]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[uneven mason]

stack crit, use ravager

be like a brewmaster

except bad

[sick sentinel]

DH* but good

[uneven mason]

DH doesn't have a tank spec

[sick sentinel]

Jesus fucking christ

Lol

[final mist]

Relax with the memes, it's getting to be a bit much as of late.

[uneven mason]

It has "slightly less wet toilet paper"

awww

[summer kestrel]

"don't attack the grippling till the demolisher is dead"

attacks them anyway

[sick sentinel]

Lol

GL

[summer kestrel]

wiped the key by 30s

fucking 30s, because he is dumb

[sick sentinel]

Here's a more current one

"stop hitting the dwarf"

[strong hill]

@summer kestrel that’s rough

[summer kestrel]

I kno

[sick sentinel]

At least the excuse can't be "It's tyrn tho"

[tacit smelt]

whats the proper time to reset stacks on first boss of BoD

[sick sentinel]

Take a 3rd tank if u can't drop stacks

[neon tangle]

on mythic do it when she does her long cast

[sick sentinel]

Otherwise, kite her

[wanton orchid]

Does the brace for impact trait stack?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[tacit smelt]

in mythic had a pally solo tank her while i was on adds but idk when to do it

[sick sentinel]

He has spellward, he can deal with it

[tacit smelt]

this is for H

[uneven mason]

Leap away during prayer

[summer kestrel]

bah, im so desmotivated now for raid

[wanton orchid]

i got a azerite peice with brace for impact and iron fortress

[uneven mason]

oh HC

[wanton orchid]

which should i do

[uneven mason]

leap way during a cast

have a DPS tant then taunt back

[neon tangle]

@tacit smelt Weirdly enough I had a harder time resetting stacks on heroic

[sick sentinel]

It's on the same ring @wanton orchid

[lusty grotto]

follow the guide @wanton orchid

[neon tangle]

Because she doesn't have that super long heal cast

[lusty grotto]

the icy veins is in the pins, under azerite

should tell you what you need to know

[tacit smelt]

i'll ask a dps to help taunt

[sick sentinel]

Does SR still work with stack dropping? Heard rumblings it doesnt

[neon tangle]

taunt/bubble works if you have rets

[primal crypt]

Yeah

I bubble taunt

I just scream bop me

[tacit smelt]

i got a boomy that will bear form taunt

[primal crypt]

And taunt off my dude

[wary gyro]

I hear different things about sr on a daily basis

[primal crypt]

It reflects things

Case closed

[sick sentinel]

But does it reflect

[neon tangle]

we ended up 3-tanking mythic though just because our dps was fine

[primal crypt]

Yes

[neon tangle]

and it was easier to not worry about it

[primal crypt]

[warm plinth]

I think it still has the old duration and shit on mythic doesn't it, hence the conflicting things about SR?

[supple path]

wonder how long it'd take for stacks to get really ridiculous running a 5 warrior spell reflect rotation

[sick sentinel]

Right now I'm concerned about heroic, guildies lost their souls to bwonsamdi fight last week

[primal crypt]

Rastakhan?

[sick sentinel]

Yea

[primal crypt]

Yeah, that one is intense

[sick sentinel]

They spent the whole night in the deathworld

[primal crypt]

Fun, but intense

[supple path]

Like, would it actually function as a dps gain on first boss if you 5 tanked it to spell reflect all the stacks on the boss.

[sick sentinel]

So u can imagine what a voice with no soul sounded like the day after

[primal crypt]

Lol

@sick sentinel just stack and burn to phase faster

Then work on dead phase

[sick sentinel]

I was not their and in glad I wasn't lol

[primal crypt]

Oh

Yikes

[sick sentinel]

Couldn't make the run, due to irl

[primal crypt]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

Lucky for me, jumped from 384/5 to 393

[lusty grotto]

gz

[sick sentinel]

Over the last 2 days

[primal crypt]

Whew boiii

393

[sick sentinel]

Did a world tour of +9 2 chests

[primal crypt]

Do world tour +10

[sick sentinel]

In the span of 5 hours

[neon tangle]

I have been absurdly luck with loot this tier

I got 401 today

[primal crypt]

Same

404 now

[sick sentinel]

I did 2 world tours of 15 +2 during legion, in 3 days

[primal crypt]

Out of my coins, I double looted twice

[neon tangle]

I did 5 KR this week

because RNG wanted to give my group nothing but KR

[sick sentinel]

Wow

[lusty grotto]

heh

[primal crypt]

I need KR

[sick sentinel]

Talk about getting fucked

[primal crypt]

For the better 2h

[neon tangle]

I got literally 3 of those

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[primal crypt]

Any over 400?

[lusty grotto]

i got non-stop sieges last week

[neon tangle]

nah

[primal crypt]

:(

I need over 400 socket

Like...2x425 would be good

[sick sentinel]

My fury warrior was farming 10 KR all last week for a 400

[primal crypt]

With sockets

[neon tangle]

I gave them all away to guildmates

cause I already got the 2h 400ilvl from 1st boss

[primal crypt]

Yeah, first boss 2h is ok too

[sick sentinel]

I'm glad the first boss drops literally everything we need

[uneven mason]

Why'd school have to start up again same time as new season

[lusty grotto]

correction, i got Sieges and Underrot back to back last week

[uneven mason]

like fuck blizzard

[daring marlin]

underrot?

[uneven mason]

4real

[daring marlin]

I wish I got that a bunch

[uneven mason]

can't

[primal crypt]

My group needs underrot bad

[daring patrol]

is there any fight where a steelskin potion might be useful? grong maybe? or do you guys just use strength pots

[daring marlin]

I kept getting motherlode

[primal crypt]

We still sitting on 13

[uneven mason]

even spam run M+

[primal crypt]

@daring patrol str pots

Or bursting blood

[sick sentinel]

^ more valuable in every way then steelskin

[primal crypt]

Your pick

[neon tangle]

Steelskin seems pretty underwhelming considering how much armor warr already got

[lusty grotto]

right, its in the icy veins guide as well

[uneven mason]

str pots nommy

[primal crypt]

Bursting blood is good for trash

In m+

[uneven mason]

yeah

[primal crypt]

If you're into popping pots

[sick sentinel]

Also remember to do DMF for the stregth food recipe

[lusty grotto]

huh

[primal crypt]

?

[daring patrol]

only really asking because im leveling alchemy and can make a bunch, didn't know if there was a niche spot for it

[uneven mason]

OH dammit I missed 2 days of DMF already

[neon tangle]

@daring patrol There's not a ton of situations where a pot will do a ton for your survival chances, I just use them for dps

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean DMF

[sick sentinel]

The level 3 blood sasuge

[lusty grotto]

the sausages are learned from the cooking trainer

oh

what

[primal crypt]

That's not dmf

[sick sentinel]

It is

[uneven mason]

thats Turtleboys

from their loot boxes

[lusty grotto]

i thought lvl 3 was turtles

[primal crypt]

Rank 3 comes from tortollan emissary

[uneven mason]

I got it day 2

[sick sentinel]

Nooooo

[primal crypt]

Tortollan boxes supplies

[sick sentinel]

God damnit

[primal crypt]

Not dmf

[strong hill]

I got it from the turtles.

[primal crypt]

Wtf lol

[uneven mason]

^^

[lusty grotto]

well you got me good INR

[sick sentinel]

Was farming dmf thinking it was from there

[uneven mason]

I need to get exalted with DMF

so I never have to go back again

[strong hill]

“ oh ok” that was my reaction

[primal crypt]

Yeah, its tortollan

For blood sausage

[uneven mason]

Literally bought rank 2 because I got rank 3 from a loot box Kindred

[primal crypt]

But ive been using mastery food lately

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[primal crypt]

For thicker bom

[lusty grotto]

hmmm....

i might have to start doing that

[uneven mason]

is less

AP tho

[oblique garnet]

its not worth it yamo

str food is better

[uneven mason]

str food gives more bangbang

[primal crypt]

Gg

[uneven mason]

well sausage

but yeah I used up my stock of haste food

[lusty grotto]

but in 2 years when your sanguicells run out...

[primal crypt]

Not to worry, i only have one stack left

Lol

[lusty grotto]

you're gonna need something else LUL

[uneven mason]

have like 1,000blood of my enemies in the bank

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea how many i got left

[primal crypt]

Yeah, poor blood sausages

[uneven mason]

I don't even get mad when I eat personal food and then the raidleader is like Oh ok, feast this pull

[lusty grotto]

but its gonna be way less than some of you

[primal crypt]

They're going to disappear

[lusty grotto]

i basically stopped pug raiding when i got m 2hander and aotc

[uneven mason]

But I do get triggered when I've eaten personal food and then some lazy fuck is like "Wheres our feast" as i press the pull timer

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[uneven mason]

I'm always like "Misdirect to that idiot"

I'll wait

[lusty grotto]

people should just say they're dropping a feast

[neon tangle]

I'm just glad that we don't have to swap specs any more

that was so shit

waiting around as arms

[uneven mason]

yeah

[neon tangle]

in case we got a feast

[uneven mason]

like

Best part is

when I pull mythic Vectis

[daring marlin]

the amount of times

[uneven mason]

and my paladin co tank is like OH FUCK I"M STILL RET

[daring marlin]

my DK cotank was still in frost

lordy

[uneven mason]

♿

[lusty grotto]

no need to do that with sanguicell feasts though @neon tangle

[neon tangle]

no need to do that with any feasts now

[lusty grotto]

oh really

[uneven mason]

or flasks

I cried a salty tear

when I saw that flask gave me str in prot

[lusty grotto]

well i didn't know about this, when was this changed?

[uneven mason]

8.1

[neon tangle]

8.1

[daring marlin]

dimchimp

you disappoint

[uneven mason]

dudes been swapping specs

whole time

🤢

[lusty grotto]

i only eat sanguicell feasts

[uneven mason]

for flask

[lusty grotto]

so i wasnt swapping

[uneven mason]

hmmm

[lusty grotto]

eh, no cauldrons on M+

[daring marlin]

👀

[uneven mason]

you don't cauldron for M+

lazy fuck

!

kidding

[lusty grotto]

half my group is always pugs 😢

[daring marlin]

I don't think he is

burn him at the stake

[daring marlin]

Late is ready

[neon tangle]

I too leveled alchemy by making a shitload of flasks

[sick sentinel]

I got so much anchor weed, I can make god look like a bitch

[lusty grotto]

send to magechip

Magechip-Arthas

👍

[sick sentinel]

I have a hoard complex with them

[lusty grotto]

ugh okay, nevermind

i've seen those hoarding shows

[sick sentinel]

I don't want to use them because what if they get more value later on

WHAT IF

[neon tangle]

Don't herbs and stuff lose value as the expansion goes on?

since people generally aren't leveling their stuff / subs drop off / raids are on farm mode

[sharp dew]

Lose brace for impact+azerite veins for callous reprisal +30ilvls hmm

[lusty grotto]

they always bump up a bit when a tier comes out

[daring marlin]

yes

and yes

AV is garbage anyway

[mortal pike]

Azerite veins is meh/bad

[sharp dew]

yeah av is way too rng

but brace is nice, but 30ilvls on new pieces is a ton of stam so I figured still worth

[daring marlin]

fuck the stam

str

=armor

and the armor on the piece itself

[neon tangle]

@sharp dew callous reprisal isn't bad

[lusty grotto]

if it's listed, it's not bad

[sharp dew]

free 1.5 to all

[neon tangle]

straight damage reduction

[silk mortar]

Damage isnt to bad either :3

[daring marlin]

It helps the wet noodle skill feel more impactful

[neon tangle]

IMHO even better now that our globals are less crowded now

[daring marlin]

revenge

omega

[neon tangle]

I keep saying "our"

[daring marlin]

filthy BDK

[neon tangle]

my warrior is still frozen at 375

[daring marlin]

edgy idiot

❤

[neon tangle]

❤

[daring marlin]

you best be at least rocking a cool transmog

like some of them mythic legion sets

so good

[neon tangle]

I'm not 😦 I've got starter gear + mythax sword

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/tichondrius/Rakendriel

[lusty grotto]

😢

F

[sand egret]

tragic

[sharp dew]

Feelsbad when your 380 rezans sims better than 410 fang + has the defensive bonus of haste

[neon tangle]

honestly though it's my favorite set for undead DK

[broken kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246961297743151104/542447490562129920/unknown.png

ayo

[lusty grotto]

yeah starter set is pretty good

sadbox

[sharp dew]

dang grats hargo

[oblique garnet]

congratz on garbage

[lusty grotto]

i like it as well

[sand egret]

i can literally hear Sarah singing “In the arms of an angel” rn @neon tangle

[lusty grotto]

gz @broken kite

[broken kite]

😄

[sand egret]

id be so conflicted if i got that NGL

[neon tangle]

undead helm + shoulders make so many of the "good" sets look off

[sand egret]

i hate that trinket with a passion but that is a sexy wf roll

[lusty grotto]

heh

i dont know why all the hate

its solid

[sand egret]

it feels awful to use is why

[lusty grotto]

and if he's progressing, its a great pick defensively

oh yeah

but its not as bad as mythrax

or bandages or bwonsamdi

[sand egret]

see mythrax was passive

[lusty grotto]

yall know how i feel about mytrhax

[sand egret]

bandages has a significantly more timely use

[lusty grotto]

yay a trinket that only triggers in a very specific situation YAY! blizzard: "we heard you wanted haft 3.0, here's this bwonsamdi"

[sand egret]

vers is such a “meh” stat that an awkward vers on use trinket is just like the epitome of bad yo me

[lusty grotto]

it's not an awkward stat

i mean

[sand egret]

didnt say it was

said it was a meh stat

the awkward was a descriptor of “verse on use trinket”

[lusty grotto]

i mean

it's not what we're looking for to push keys

but for the average prot, it's solid

[sand egret]

awkward is a product of functionality. the “meh” is because vers is boring as shit

[supple path]

Are there any situations where we'd actually want to downgrade an azerite item right now because the prior ilvl tier has more rings unlocked? Or is 15 ilvl > any one trait?

[lusty grotto]

oh i agree its boring

[neon tangle]

@sand egret you should look at the vers rating on my DK

[sharp dew]

vers is god on fights like jadefire

[sand egret]

make no mistake, i come from a very biased view

[daring marlin]

only reason blade is saying that

is cuz

he got a 395 in S1

[lusty grotto]

lol

[daring marlin]

and hated the fact he did

lol

[lusty grotto]

rip

[sand egret]

ugh

its still in my bank

[daring marlin]

get that expulsom friend

😄

[sand egret]

and 395 with sockey

for extra salt

[lusty grotto]

could be worse, im using 400 sporepod now 😦

😢

[daring marlin]

ya hate to see it

[brave mauve]

The engineering goggles' cauterizer trait still break Kimbul's bleed? Or that get patched out for being broken op?

[silk mortar]

It should

[sand egret]

can't be that OP when two races get it for free

[silk mortar]

Dark irons can still remove

[sharp dew]

400 socket bwonsamdi trinket from weekly, eh very niche

[neon tangle]

It's also not like necessary for that fight

[sand egret]

that's so gonna be in my cache as well

le womp

[daring marlin]

I got a 400 helm

the one off jadefire

[sand egret]

but what if i get the DLRP

WHAT IF

i'd lose my shit

[lusty grotto]

100% disappointment for me in the chest probably

[daring marlin]

I got nothing but disappointment today

on all three characters 😦

[sand egret]

if i get that shit....oh man

[lusty grotto]

i bet i get another lingering sporepod

[uneven mason]

man did uldir for luls

[daring marlin]

no luls to be had there

[lusty grotto]

did you forget to wear your RA

UGH

[daring marlin]

this fucking guy

I hate you

[lusty grotto]

gross

[daring marlin]

I want that lol

?

how is that gross? r u shit?

[lusty grotto]

it's gross

grossford

[daring marlin]

dimchimp indeed

[modern brook]

🐒

[daring marlin]

^

[lusty grotto]

you know... in all honesty

[wary gyro]

Who needs defense when you can have more offensr

[lusty grotto]

id actually wear that with Treacherous Covenant

im not gonna lie

i think that trait is the only way i'd use that crappy eye

[neon tangle]

#4 tank dps parse for champions is a guardian druid

running 3x treacherous

very spicy

[lusty grotto]

yeah a lot of classes are using it now

[sharp dew]

thrash those adds

[primal crypt]

Opulence trinket any good??

[lusty grotto]

yeah

diamond?

[primal crypt]

Someone got it 425 socket

By accident

Wrong spec

Im mad

[warm plinth]

Wow lol

[inland mesa]

did you go back to mythic uldir for the 405 eye o.O

I have 420 socketed diamond from normal \o/

[lusty grotto]

ok guys its time to open my chest

[warm plinth]

inb4 sporepods

[lusty grotto]

fucking bracers

great

[neon tangle]

Best part about being DK is going unholy loot spec

so you can avoid all the garbo tank trinkets

[sharp dew]

mannoroths

[lusty grotto]

time to roll azerite chest

wish me luck guys

[neon tangle]

why chest

[inland mesa]

I got a wraps last week, hoping for better this week

[primal crypt]

We're going back for mythic uldir lol

[neon tangle]

chest drops from first m boss

[primal aurora]

:GWowoSmug: Goor luck

[lusty grotto]

i dont raid

[primal crypt]

Syringe!

[neon tangle]

@primal crypt I got a 385 syringe w/ socket

[lusty grotto]

i havent touched the raid at all

not even LFR lol

[primal aurora]

I want Bwomdaddy's Breath

[lusty grotto]

....

pls no troll

[primal aurora]

Ok

[neon tangle]

I mean I want it too

so I can get my 415 helm + trinket

[primal aurora]

I got a 420 1H from my chest today

[inland mesa]

are you rando rolling 415s, or are people saving to get the best ones for M+?

[lusty grotto]

gz

im rando rolling 415

[open bluff]

you can get 3 random 415s before a single, specific 415

[primal aurora]

Good luck

[wary gyro]

Most people are going rando from what I've seen

Takes too long for specific ones

[primal crypt]

Rando is the only way to do it

[lusty grotto]

the only reason im going chest, is cause i have some shoulders, and ivus drops helm so

[daring marlin]

mythic first boss drops chest

lol

[primal aurora]

But first boss drops chest

[daring marlin]

and it's easily puggable

[lusty grotto]

can you guys tell me how to get into a mythic pug

[open bluff]

git gud

[lusty grotto]

with 0 kills in any diff

[inland mesa]

yeah that's why I was going to see what mythic dropped off first 3 in the next week or so, and then maybe just save for specific M+ bis pieces

[primal aurora]

Do your weekly maybe youll get 400

First boss is easy on normal and heroic

[lusty grotto]

sigh

ok fine

[daring marlin]

and mitico

[open bluff]

first boss is a joke regardless of difficulty

[daring marlin]

lul

[lusty grotto]

im rolling helm then

[primal aurora]

3 tank strat

[lusty grotto]

sea brawlers

HOHOH

that was so worth it

good thing i rolled helm like i told you guys from the start

😉

[primal crypt]

Did you misclick?

Thought you were buying chest

[lusty grotto]

i was

[sick sentinel]

overall dps after WC 15 with 1x bom... I can only dream what could I do with 3x

[lusty grotto]

but i guess i paid attention to these guys

[summer kestrel]

👏

[primal aurora]

poggers

Hey we were useful

[lusty grotto]

lol thanks

[primal crypt]

It's nice to be able to buy 415 gear

Never have to step foot in raid if you dont want to

[primal aurora]

What are the heart of azeroth requirements damn only 2\5

[primal crypt]

415 is 48 i believe

[lusty grotto]

36

[primal crypt]

For the last tier

[primal aurora]

O o f Im only 37

[lusty grotto]

36 41 46

[primal crypt]

Oh nice

It's two lower

The raid gear is 48

:(

[primal aurora]

Ive been 37 for weeks now :( so much AP

[lusty grotto]

hmm ML

well i should def try to get into a pug for first boss

i wonder if it'll just be easier to get into them as dps

like i did @ uldir

[inland mesa]

wow I didn't know crown was so good, now I want one from our kill if we get it this week XD

[primal crypt]

Crown is excellent

[uneven mason]

crown amazing

[primal crypt]

Especially for the gems

[uneven mason]

❤ the free health pot

INFINITE USE(for 20 hours)

got the food one

during mythic

made me mad

[inland mesa]

anyone have suggestions for tanking fire side add on mythic opulence, all I'm really seeing is try to pull him to a side so you only have to run through one flame jet during combo

[supple path]

Those have nothing on the sheer utility of glowing like a glittery star - the best gem.

[primal crypt]

@inland mesa which fire part

[inland mesa]

the golem add that does the channel filling the room with death and rotates, while flame vents are opening

[dense flame]

Thats what our tanks did. Just try and not have him so close that your raid members have to awkwardly move through him to do the dance.

They can hug the gate, but sometimes people will die.

[uneven mason]

are 4 vents open on Mythic?

rathe than just 3

?

[inland mesa]

nah just 3, but he lines up like more of a jerk that he does it as the new ones are picked so you can't move him to the 2 lane space

[uneven mason]

be proactive

#protection

[inland mesa]

anticipate what the game is thinking before it's thinking

[uneven mason]

So

the vents are not rando