protection

[uneven mason]

Block is noticeable by way of contrast

you feel Block, by the way it feels when you DONT have it

[modern brook]

ye

or when it doesnt work :^(

like when you get 2-3 stacks of the Honorgaurd bleed in atal

[daring marlin]

be a dark iron

[modern brook]

and you sorta give your healer the sarah mclachlan's dying dog eyes

[daring marlin]

don't care about bleeds

😃

[uneven mason]

Cotank to me when tanking jadefiremageboy "Why are you spending so much on revenge"

[modern brook]

Yeah but then I'd be an alliance

and utterly incapable of doing literally anything

[daring marlin]

yes

and have a glorious beard

WHATCHA MEAN FRIEND

[uneven mason]

I mean, you could be an engineer

[daring marlin]

I DO PLENTY

[modern brook]

Yall've done shit

jaina's carried your ass this entire expansion

even in cinematics you lost

Every time

until some deus ex bullshit

[uneven mason]

Yes #MarysueProudmoore

[modern brook]

alliance is utterly incapable in order to make title cahracters look cool

because the alliance isnt cool

[uneven mason]

I'm a Dark Iron Dwarf

I just got here

[modern brook]

Just some straight facts from your local 🐒

[uneven mason]

used to be an orc

until some WEEB Put a rotting bitch pinup in charge

"Horde - Because we hump our Waifu's"

[modern brook]

I wont pretend sylvanas warcheif was a good move

but like

least we do shit

[uneven mason]

Like lose?

A lot

[modern brook]

🤷

[floral tinsel]

Revenge is ok as a spender.. I just wish it did less AOE damage and more single traget. We already have TC for massive machienegun AOE

[modern brook]

revenge is a nerd spender

ur nuts

[uneven mason]

Revenge shouldn't be a thing

but its all I have to spend on sometimes

[modern brook]

^

Revenge procs dont even feel good

[uneven mason]

#bringbackheroicstrikeandcleave

[modern brook]

shit is so bright

coolness of pressing button should be a 1:1 relationship with how bright default WA for said button is

its fucking not

😠

[uneven mason]

Like I wish instead of revenge, they'd just give us a button that spent rage and reduce the remaining CD Devastate

"reduces the CD of Devastate by 1.5s for 20 rage"

[dense flame]

Just give us legendary bracers 🥰

[uneven mason]

just as meaningful as revenge

kidding

[modern brook]

Bracers dont make revenge a feel good

[uneven mason]

Rev is actually solid pewpew

[dense flame]

And buff thunderclap

🤪

[uneven mason]

its a good filler beween TCs

[modern brook]

thats ultimately the problem w/ it mac

in AoE i want to stomp

because the stomp is coool af and does way too much damage

REvenge is lame af, and is just ok

and its a spender

which doesnt make sense imo

[daring marlin]

man

[modern brook]

spenders should be centric in a builder spender style. Imagine playing fury for Blood thirst

[daring marlin]

imagine if Garrosh were warchief still

that'd be #1

[modern brook]

Granted we're like fake builder-spender

He is man; hes just a hot girl instead of a red boy

[primal crypt]

You guys talking about grong trinket?

[modern brook]

Its bis in my heart*

[primal crypt]

It's awkward is what it is

[modern brook]

Truthfully its probably shit

[primal crypt]

Trying to squeeze it in between avatar

[modern brook]

but its a 🐒 😡 trinket so im in for it

[primal crypt]

Gives me anxiety

And it's killed me a couple times now lol

[dense flame]

Mekka trinket plus lust

[modern brook]

IDT you can block while using it

since its a channel, right?

[primal crypt]

Yeah

[dense flame]

Makes me feel like thundercat

[primal crypt]

You still mitigate

[modern brook]

yah its garbage

[primal crypt]

Problem is that you cant move

So much aoe now it's scary to time

And dont use it on second sisters in WM

totally didnt think and almost died

[modern brook]

healer shoulda adjusted tbh

[primal crypt]

She did

That's why i didnt die lol

[modern brook]

oh so no problem 😃

but yeah I dont think grongs is very good for us

I think it might be BIS on Blood or pally? I remember ppl talking about it likes its nuts

but we dont really need the damage

[primal crypt]

It's good with anyone that scales haste

Since it does more dmg

During lust it's absolutely god tier

[modern brook]

🤔 we scale haste 🤔

🤷 I havnet gotten a chance to play with it but you've definitely echo'd all my concerns on it

I dont imagine it being better than just raw stat sticks

[primal crypt]

Nah

The minute I get a 415 anything

Im dropping it

It's good, but not THAT good

Dmg yes, it is insane

But only on ST

[modern brook]

in fairness - thats where we need dps help

[primal crypt]

and there are too many moments where I have to double check myself

To see if I'll die

Shrine any boss

Too sketch

[modern brook]

Monkey rage -> undertow off edge sounds like an op combo tbh

[primal crypt]

I was hoping it would work like draught

Where nothing moves you

But you get knocked or pushed

So that viability is out the window too

[modern brook]

does it break channel when you do get pushed like the artifact power did?

[primal crypt]

Yup

So the only set back is that you cant move yourself

Everything else can

I also made a macro

To drop the buff

To cancel the trinket

[modern brook]

BV and avatar dont increase its damage righT?

[primal crypt]

Nope

Only into the fray

When you have 5 things around you

Then its a little over 10k a hit

[modern brook]

as this convo goes on i get more underwelmed

[primal crypt]

A little over 100k total

[modern brook]

im re-whelmed

[old zephyr]

Clap is 20K a hit, why use this ?

[modern brook]

for when clap is down 🤷

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Basically

But you miss a clap for it

Shit takes forever to finish

[old zephyr]

Never not clap bro

[modern brook]

😮 😠

[primal crypt]

You cant clap :(

[modern brook]

fucking scrap that garbage

miss a clap

[primal crypt]

You're a raging monkey

Cant press anything

[modern brook]

I've played DK

down B is a clap

😠

[primal crypt]

Yeah also, if youve lusted on trash and stuff

And avatar is coming back up soon

You skip using the trinket altogether

[exotic hazel]

Any advice for reaping in WM? I had a friend get wrecked pretty hard on the first two, going right side

[primal crypt]

So it doesnt get max usage

@exotic hazel prot warrior?

WM is cheese strats all the way now with reaping

Especially this week

Just pull as much as you can and clap it down

[exotic hazel]

Yes, he's prot, I've only done it as blood which has it pretty easy

[primal crypt]

It's even better as prot

Might want to look into his mitigation usage

Also right side, make sure he's side stepping the slams

He needs to have quick reaction times in those hallways

Otherwise he's dying to stupid

[exotic hazel]

Does he need to kite some of the reaping after the maggots? He said his stacks were going up super fast and I'm pretty sure the healer was dispelling, but I'll upload logs and take a look

[primal crypt]

I never kite

I clap my cheeks and go to work

So prob dispels

And no shockwave resets

Or just not enough dmg

From the group

Multiple factors

[exotic hazel]

That's also a distinct possibility then, we somehow timed it but the dps was definitely lacking overall

[primal crypt]

Yeah, reaping is definitely a dps check

If your dps is slow to kill off reaping, that's a bad time

[potent anvil]

Plan your reaping waves in WM, like you can pull everything into the courtyard and proc reaping there. Pop avatar, do like 250k dps.

[primal crypt]

Morning Deswind~

[potent anvil]

[primal crypt]

Yup, planning helps

Having CDs to pad

...mmmmmmmm

Delicious

[potent anvil]

I uploaded an 18 WM, kinda scuffed beginning reaping, but still timed it at the end.

[exotic hazel]

Thanks guys, probably wasn't mostly that but I'll mention it to him - it was his first time tanking reaping and he wasn't doing great setups yet, he'll get there

Cool, will take a look

[primal crypt]

Yeah, over time he'll get a feel for where he can put up his avatar claps

For maximum dmg

Just needs to get a feel for the anger management

[old zephyr]

My first couple reapings were hell

Now I have to refrain myself to pull them during bosses 😃

[primal crypt]

@potent anvil whats the trick to timing 18s

The change of pace on the bosses are killer

[potent anvil]

You need big brain routes. That or gear.

[primal crypt]

Guessing triple/quad trash pack pulls

Gain the time from trash

[potent anvil]

Reaping into next trash when risen souls are dead, etc

[primal crypt]

Boiiiii

You crazy

Lol

[potent anvil]

Everyone should be able to avoid soul smash, so they dont do anything. Tormented souls just need to be kicked. Risen souls die quickly, but you dont want to keep them alive if you want to pull a new pack.

I almost +2 a KR 15 with a pug. Its the play

[primal crypt]

Bah, time to revamp strats

Thanks Des

[potent anvil]

👌

[modern brook]

@exotic hazel in WM bottom right specifically

You can stack all of the first reaping in the hall way

your dps (if they're not monkeys) can hit like 140k~ ish

get ar ogue to open the boss doors for the butcher

you shouldnt be clearing that hallway like ever

[exotic hazel]

Do scrolls of unlocking work too?

[modern brook]

no

the rogue stealths to the boss

pokes him

vanishes

resets the boss, and the doors are open

[fallow nova]

Is it worth going -30 ilevels on an azerite piece for prot traits instead of just using the fury specced piece? LOL

[exotic hazel]

got it cool, will mention it and will have to do that

[modern brook]

its worth 5 gold to respec the azerite piece

[fallow nova]

Nah I'm lazy af

[modern brook]

🤷 you're going to underperform either way

[fallow nova]

30 ilevels is not worth that 2 minute walk lmao

you know it LOL

[modern brook]

@exotic hazel last advice is on 2nd and 3rd reaps make sure you're not in a hallway

the trash is too spread out to reliably kill them on the same spot like you can on the first

but 2nd will happen near unneeded real trash, and 3rd should happen in a douchey spot on stairs iirc

fighting those where your camera isnt in your ass and you can see purple shit on the ground is very useful

I havent figured out if skipping the fifth is particularly beneficial

I'm not convinced time saved on the reap is less than that of running to adds after boss

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Stairs

[modern brook]

Again I'm talking bottom right route specifically

havent done any others

[exotic hazel]

I had it one run where a hunter in my group could trap an abberation at the end and kill it to hit 100

[uneven mason]

^

thats how its done

[modern brook]

Ooh i like that

[exotic hazel]

of course my group yolo'd and we got the reaping, but it's not so hard

[modern brook]

the hard reapings are the 2nd and 3rd imo

cause they have the matrons

and also the dumb witches

[analog swift]

Hey all swapping to prot warrior main for keys. Small question what healer do y’all like the most? I’d assume monk for dat mystic touch.

[modern brook]

Monk / resto are best healers in M+

I prefer resto

mostly for brez

[exotic hazel]

Yeah, those are definitely the tough ones. The 3rd we had to be really careful not to have the witch or 3 pack too high when we popped reaping in the middle and got the matron group.

[primal crypt]

I have a holy pally

[analog swift]

Also b rez

[primal crypt]

But I also have a boomkin

[modern brook]

I play with Resto druid or Priest

[analog swift]

Yeah if I had a boomy I’d go mw

[primal crypt]

I have not found a good priest yet

[modern brook]

I like when i run with the disc preist because healer dps exists

[primal crypt]

For the entire BFA

[modern brook]

but resto plays really well with our damage intake

[analog swift]

I always feel like disc heals is lacking super hard

[modern brook]

You're either not pulling enough for them or you're palying with shitty discs

[analog swift]

At least when I played brew

During boss fights I’d just watch my health whittle away

[exotic hazel]

There were a pair running disc/brew and timings 18s and 19s last season, but they definitely weren't common

[modern brook]

I think on avg a well played resto druid is the best option

mist weaver very close behind

[analog swift]

But deeps

[modern brook]

REsto druid has good deeps, synergistic healing, and brez/stealth

that said they really lack in externals

so it really falls onyou to not suck

[analog swift]

Kkk mist weaver it is

Also, I think I saw this before but can’t remember, what’s are y’all doing with residuum?

[modern brook]

random rolling 415 in the slot I need most

[analog swift]

Looks like engineering helm will be a good piece for deeps. Champion chest piece is easy af to get and pretty good

Rolling shoulders?

[modern brook]

🤷 probably?

I'm debating grabbing engi for the helm

[dim blaze]

Lingering sporepod any good?

got a 400

[modern brook]

most defensive trinkets suck

That is to say stat sticks are more efficient

IIRC spore pod is particularly "eh"

[old zephyr]

Engi is Good if you don't have dc elsewhere but it lacks bom

[modern brook]

^

[oblique garnet]

skipping the last reaping is almost always beneficial

[dim blaze]

my alternative is 385 ancient tuskarr sea charm

[modern brook]

I'm still not sure if 415 engi helm is actually GOOD or if its just accessible

Cause i'm like super ok not grinding engineering for it

On the other hand, engineering is op for M+

[old zephyr]

Due to how easy dc os to get this tier It's just easy

Nothing spectaculaire

[modern brook]

I'm more interested in the engie unique and inner rings

DC is DC

like you said its super easy to get this tier

[old zephyr]

Yes but if you don't pick6the dc First Row you have to get bloodpsort

[modern brook]

I'm also super ok grabbing 3 DC's tbh

BIG clap

[outer dew]

It's the 4th row that's interesting about engineering helm

[modern brook]

is the 4th the cauterize one?

[outer dew]

Yes

[old zephyr]

Big clap is not worth IF

[modern brook]

Big clap :^(

[old zephyr]

Yes but big Damage not doing anything 8s better

[modern brook]

I'm aiming DC triple Bom double BFI, tbh

[old zephyr]

Especially when it also give défensive value

That's the dream or double IF

[modern brook]

I really dislike IF tBH

but thats personal

[signal plover]

Do u mostly do m+?

[modern brook]

technically

I've been mostly raiding lately

havent really had time to grind dungeons these last few weeks

[signal plover]

More than one DC over IF for raids doesn't rly make sense

[old zephyr]

If is better than bfi for m+

[modern brook]

I'd disagree

I think they're roughly equal

[uneven mason]

DPS wise

[modern brook]

but BFI helps where you need it

[uneven mason]

for trash BFI is better on bosses

IF is better on trash

pick your poison

[modern brook]

ie: fights where you're actively tanking 100% of the time and is also st (bosses)

[uneven mason]

IF is also passive

~

[old zephyr]

I play prot to melt trashes so if

[modern brook]

triple DC :^)

jokes aside I just dont think prot needs help melting trash

[daring marlin]

sure it does

[modern brook]

and if your pull is longer than avatar, you're starting to kite anyways

[daring marlin]

The more damage you do the better

why would you hate to kite

what

that's just flat out wrong lol

we're not a BDK

[modern brook]

🤷 take if then man

[uneven mason]

Next week

gonna be some gud Protwarrior times

Trashdamage

[daring marlin]

dude

watch

explosive gonna be broken with reaping

[uneven mason]

Explsives for EZ VR

[modern brook]

100%

[daring marlin]

inb4 15 spawn at once

[modern brook]

dont do 10+s on tuesday

[primal crypt]

Engineering helm is good

Good uptime on 5% debuff

And good dmg

Uptime on relational gizmo

2ppm

[broken roost]

You go for SSC over RNG?

[primal crypt]

Ive tested both

Running rng right now though

But I do like the dmg from SSC

[broken roost]

How much more damage is barrage over SSC anyway?

Yeah - back in 8.0 undergeared, SSC was like 4% of my damage

[primal crypt]

Barrage not worth

Not over SSC anyway

Also the personal shield thing

Off 4th trait procs sooooo much

I use that over cauterize, but I also have two helms

[modern brook]

I feel like the cauterize is so good

but i also just have nightmares of getting fucked by bleeds

so

What are peoples thoughs on Alch trinket as a 415?

ie: better/worse than other options in raid / dungeon at similar ilvls?

[sweet kettle]

I use it since I am only playing prot in dungeons

It's pretty good

[sick sentinel]

I go gismo

And cauterise

[primal crypt]

Alche trinket is really good

especially if you pop health pots all the times

[tropic star]

i guzzle health pots like theres no tomorrow

they cheap and figure it helps. 50k heal with the trinket isnt anything to snuff at

[thin ore]

The proc really comes often

[tropic star]

wasnt it only 1ppm

but 15 sec duration ain bad

[uneven mason]

25% uptime

scales with haste (I think?)

[thin ore]

Sounds about right

[sick sentinel]

a mad lad from my guild gave me like 80 healthpots and 60 str pots

[hushed cobalt]

Reaping isn't suppose to work with affixes like volcanic/explosives during, right? Only thing is health infraction

[uneven mason]

"Isn't"

[hushed cobalt]

Oops

[uneven mason]

"Working as intended"

[hushed cobalt]

Double whoops

[uneven mason]

to be fair

[modern brook]

I wouldnt do 10s on teusday tbh

[uneven mason]

I haven't seen any volcano during it

I'll do 12s on tuesday

[hushed cobalt]

Also like the casters casting through los

[uneven mason]

which will be 10s byh the end of the day

because of bugs

[modern brook]

as long as you plan ahead

tomorrow might also be the best week for Temple

so I suggest pushing that one hard

[uneven mason]

Temple is hard to screw up trash pulls

cause

you have 1 rout

[modern brook]

3 affixes that dont make 3rd boss harder

sounds good to me 🤷

[uneven mason]

yeah

basically

Never have I gotten to the last boss in temple and been like "we need more trash"

at the same time

reaping in some areas in Temple

is cancer

"Wide open areas, this'll go well"

I did a TD "ok going to pull around the corner and trigger reaping" - all 3 DPS get plowed "I meant you guys should follow me" - Healer and 👢 🍵 👏 finish the job

TD great reaping

[modern brook]

Are there many caster reaps in Temple?

[uneven mason]

cannon reaping

[modern brook]

I'm running my first TD tonight; but im not tanking

[uneven mason]

a few

TD many LOS points

[modern brook]

I'm not super worried

[uneven mason]

can get to cannons with only 58% Trash cleared if you do it well

last boss is raw AIDS

[modern brook]

yeah as always

I hate pugging the first boss

some DH always dashes into me with upheaval

they're tryna be slick and avoid the damage; i get it

But they're not slick

[uneven mason]

I had the "Can't disc right" affix my last 2 runs in there

[tropic star]

two chested a 13 temple last night, it really isnt bad

as long as no one potatoes first boss

[uneven mason]

"move out of Cyclone strike" - DH felrushes into the trash on the other side "WHAT DID WHAT YOU ASKED"

Reasons to not bring DHs

But yeah TD last boss, got to him with 10minutes left

like allright, gonna be a good run

healer dies within 8 seconds

5 times

"Mechanics" hard

[wary gyro]

I had a run like on Saturday we ended up disbanding

It was awful

[uneven mason]

we won

because I convinced the ret to just focus on healing me

healer died at 88%

finished the boss with ret heals and Last stand crits

I should've just rolled on that key on the first pull

since I died

healer was like "WTF"

[wary gyro]

We didn't have a good enough off healer In mine to do that

[uneven mason]

and I'm like well ONE of us was doing 22,000HPS and it wasn't you

I'm really missing my IV triplestack

Uldir was AVx2 IVx3

F

[brisk ferry]

I had the experience of killing UR last boss with 1 DPS up ( the DPS I brought)

infinite VR is fun

[rocky linden]

Do shields come from weapon or armor caches? I assume the latter?

[brisk ferry]

weapon

if you're horde NA, you can google that cache. You'll see the shields it contains

[rocky linden]

Alright cool

I assume that also means they can't titanforge, just warforge?

[brisk ferry]

I did the same for today's 385 emissary

[wary gyro]

Yes

[tropic star]

has anyone played around with stacking the VR traick on inner ring? with reaping spawns i get so many VRs

[wary gyro]

Only warforge

Haven't farmed enough AP to get to try it yet

[sick sentinel]

I tried BtH extensively

good in bursting

not worth in reaping

[young oasis]

Jaina HC difficulty wise? Average grp, 395 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

unless half your raid fucks up, you're fine

[uneven mason]

Well

395 will be fine gear wise, its still a hard fight

punishing if you F up

[young harbor]

question

how bad is the meme bandage trinket from KR

400 ilvl

for surv

[steel mauve]

It has uses, some affixes it can be used for in m+ but thats close to it

[sick sentinel]

better than originally thought

if you have IP at the same time its absorb value essentially doubles

[young harbor]

ill give a go on some magic fights see how it holds up

yeah just need to time it for incoming dmg so the shield doesnt fall off

seems to be what would be the draw back

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[young harbor]

ill play with it, ty

[steel mauve]

The dot affixes its good for, bursting and i believe necrotic

[sick sentinel]

necrotic reduces it, so you have to pop it at 0 stacks

[steel mauve]

Ah ya necrotic is a healing reduction i forgot

[uneven mason]

Absorbs are hit or miss if a healing reduction affects them.

[rapid thistle]

Quick question: When would be the best time to use Spell Reflect to try and drop stacks of Sacred Blade on Champions of the Light Boss (normal)?

[uneven mason]

You can't lose stacks just by using SR

gotta get some distance

[steel mauve]

Well he means use sr to spell reflect the next stack and drop the stacks he has

[uneven mason]

right

since its a 18s duration

and it refreshes every 7 seconds

👏

you'd need 2 SRs

[steel mauve]

I usually run away during a cast and run back in the last 3-4 seconds with a sr

[uneven mason]

^

[steel mauve]

Pro tip

[uneven mason]

on Mythic

you don't even need SR

[steel mauve]

Get disoriented 👌

[uneven mason]

that too 😄

I asked my arms warrior to taunt and DBTS

once

[steel mauve]

Or just 3 tank it and make your life so much easiet

Easier *

[uneven mason]

solo tank

can literally 2 heal solo tank and just blowup the adds

Zealotry stacks are paltry

fight ends so fast when you do that.

probably single healer if folks use personals and kite the crusader well

but yeah cracked me up, Mythic is literally easier than HC for that fight (and its easy on HC)

because of the fallen cast, a DK could walk away and clear stacks

[rapid thistle]

Perfect! Thanks, all 😃

[uneven mason]

That isn't to say, ignoring mechanics and stacking up Zealotry won't get you trucked if your DPS can't deliver

[opal fiber]

quick question on azerite purchase. just switched back to prot after a multi year hiatus to Arms. all of a sudden RL is diggin prot warrior and when our MT had to bow out for rl issues was asked to go prot...and since Arms is so bleh this tieri said "sure". i was saving for the 415 random and will have about 2.2k this reset. should i stick with that purchase or try to get full 400 set? i currently have 1cruddy 400 and 2 decent 390s. sry for the long post

[stark sage]

do all 3 of your pieces have 5 rings

[opal fiber]

yes

[stark sage]

then i would just wait for the random 415s

tbh

[opal fiber]

cool, ty

[ocean acorn]

whats better absorbotron or self cauterizer

[sick sentinel]

some of us prefer cauterizer some the absorb

it's a tossup really

personally, cauterizer

but you can wait for more opinions

[wary gyro]

They're both pretty even

[uneven mason]

cauterizer comes with the benefit of "sometimes" making you feel like the master race "Dark Iron"

[sick sentinel]

if you are a dwarf or dark iron then absorb, 100%

[ocean acorn]

im not am tauren

[uneven mason]

TFW when not BE as horde in 2019

[sick sentinel]

BEs are gay though

[ocean acorn]

blood elves suck

[uneven mason]

🤔 So your saying 88% of the Horde is extremely happy?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[uneven mason]

Must be since almost every player in that faction plays BE

[sick sentinel]

very, very happy

[uneven mason]

at the same time though, its a toss up, IMO the heal on the cauterizer is worth while over the absorb, since we tend to be absorb heavy to begin with

a little bit of self recovery goes a long way

its basically IV

the bleed removal doesn't always work tho

[ocean acorn]

currently im using the helm of the tempered jade

should i be using the engi helm?

[supple path]

Man, having serious indecision on 3x 400s vs 1x 415. Neck's only level 36, so the 3x 400 will blatantly be better for now...but worse in a month!

[ocean acorn]

depends cuz in 2.5 weeks u can get a 415

[supple path]

Yeah I'm deciding between a 415 + 3x 400s tomorrow.

[ocean acorn]

but u cant get the traits

[supple path]

Right.

[ocean acorn]

what are u currently wearing

[supple path]

385 x3, only one of 'em with 5 traits, had terrible azerite luck.

So it's one of those things where the 3x400s are MUCH stronger for me now, but...man, not a good 'long term' purchase.

[astral crystal]

gz Limit

ez clap that boss

[ocean acorn]

imo 3 400s

[astral crystal]

Kappa

[supple path]

Yeah I think unless I get an azerite piece from m+ chest, will go with that.

[uneven mason]

dat photoshopped?

prettysure

[sick sentinel]

well it show's 8/9 for me

shows*

[silk mortar]

It is photoshopped

[outer dew]

He said kappa

Lol

I'm waiting for P G to swoop by and take #1

[silk mortar]

Right..

Method got this 😲

[outer dew]

So I can meme. Obv alliance favored faction

[astral crystal]

if alliance wins it'd be the greatest victory in the history of victories

[uneven mason]

I mean

you do it as Horde

so it wouldn't be

[outer dew]

You gotta believe dog

[neon tangle]

@supple path I’m gonna buy the 415 instead

Eng helm, buy shoulders, first boss in mythic drops a chest

3x 415 fairly quickly

[astral crystal]

say

i'm 100 residuum away from a 415 gamble

should i just scrap a 400 azerite piece im wearing

and gamble it?

[supple path]

Yeah no engineering here and I don't raid much, mainly M+

[neon tangle]

Depends on your other items imo

If you have other 385s I’d just wait until tomorrow

[astral crystal]

i have two 400s and a 390

[neon tangle]

I’d wait until tomorrow and gamble for that 390

[astral crystal]

yeah that's probably the better bet

[oblique garnet]

Can sieges last boss get nerfed by like 20% kthx bye

[uneven mason]

#tyrranical

[oblique garnet]

Was doing so well about to time a 17 siege

Then last boss

Fucked everything

[uneven mason]

L2 bring spotters

[hot locust]

@oblique garnet I didnt get to play like at all this week 😢

Wanted to do keys so bad.

[oblique garnet]

I only got some keys in on the first few days

And some today

[ocean acorn]

late on the last boss of siege do u ever have the boss just melee a random person while walking across the planks

[oblique garnet]

No dont think so

I think its just visual bug tho

[ocean acorn]

it happened twice to my grp

on 15 and 14

[astral crystal]

i've definitely had the boss melee people before

real bullshit moments

[wary gyro]

Never seen that before

[oblique garnet]

@hot locust we did a 15 shrine and on the beginning we had some issues and our boomkin goes 15 seconds isnt gonna make or break this key

Depleted by 18 seconds 8))

[wary gyro]

I mean he wasnt wrong

[oblique garnet]

Never have i been more tilted over a key

[ocean acorn]

the time on shrine is super tight

like u can not mess up at all and still barely make it

[oblique garnet]

It honestly wasnt too bad

We made mistakes

[uneven mason]

last boss so much HP

[oblique garnet]

And still got that close

[uneven mason]

can't wait for explosive on shrine again

[ocean acorn]

whats your profile late

[oblique garnet]

Zurol

[ocean acorn]

what AZ talents do u use

[oblique garnet]

3x BoM 1 DC 2x IF

[ocean acorn]

damn that sounds great

im running my budget tank traits and its like 3x BoM 1DC 1CR

[oblique garnet]

Cr is good aswell

[modern brook]

CR good 😠

[oblique garnet]

In m+

[cinder pasture]

I finally got my third BoM today ❤

[ocean acorn]

i find it decent

[modern brook]

probably is tbh

I just dislike revenge

[oblique garnet]

Why

[ocean acorn]

its just i have a 1 trait piece cuz i havent gotten shoulders and im too poor to reforge anymore

[modern brook]

Its not clap

[oblique garnet]

Its budget clap

[modern brook]

I just want my spender to feel better than big foot move, thats all

[ocean acorn]

i feel like the procs happen pretty often

[oblique garnet]

Feelsbadman when i look at the details damage dealt graph thuncerclap is always 50% of my damage melee is second and ss 3rd

[ocean acorn]

same

[modern brook]

I'm just saying, the sword move should do more damage than my feet

[oblique garnet]

Thats devastate

Melee does more damage

[modern brook]

revenge is just large devestate

CR's DR stacks, right?

ie 2 cr = 1%/stack w/ Diminishing returns

[oblique garnet]

Idk man i just play the game

[modern brook]

i respect that

[summer kestrel]

what the heck

I've done a 15 tol dagor right and the last boss went full mongo

[last loom]

410 crit mastery shield vs 400 crit haste socket shield

[summer kestrel]

like, we had 10 whopping minutes to +2 it

and spent half and hour killing it

[modern brook]

you ever deplete a key within server response time?

Yikes :^( was it just bad mechanics or was tyranical 15 just murking people?

[oblique garnet]

You gotta have dh

And you have to use rally on the double explosive burst

2nd double everyones gotta pop defensives

[summer kestrel]

it just started to overlap skills

and yeah that too, my team didn't expect that change

[vocal elm]

@modern brook Not deplete, but complete 😛 https://gyazo.com/60eb167a827ff55a373fccfc5b4ea00e https://gyazo.com/ad30ec4a368b60228dd2291dfd609d30

[summer kestrel]

we did 14 yesterday with no major problem

[oblique garnet]

Yeah the leap from 14-15 is big

[modern brook]

atal confirmed better servers

[oblique garnet]

Is there any eta on yazma hp nerfs?

[uneven mason]

@summer kestrel that has been my life the last week, many TDs to get a 400 Jes, almsot alaways hit that last boss with +3 time left, endup eating shit for 15 pulls while people figure out that you can't fudge mechanics or expect the healer to carry you.

cause Tyrannical sucks on that guy

worth it

[summer kestrel]

yeah

yeah

[oblique garnet]

Ew howler

[uneven mason]

socket 👏

[summer kestrel]

I only tank in M+ so I don't use it xD

[uneven mason]

I don't use it in M+ I use it in raids heh

[summer kestrel]

I wanted to tank raids too :(

[uneven mason]

vial and rezan's for M+

[signal plover]

Make sure to snag a DN for raid tanking too

[oblique garnet]

I want to go dps on raids 😦

I just want to be mongo

[summer kestrel]

you don't want to expend +10k on changing traits

every two days

[oblique garnet]

All good

I have separate set for fury

With bis traits xD

[summer kestrel]

u lucky bastard

[ocean acorn]

if items are the same ilvl what stats do we prefer

[summer kestrel]

haste and next one are all more or less the same

[uneven mason]

haste > master>=vers>crit for smoothing

but in reality prot can basically "not give a fuck" as long as you have comfortable effective SB uptime

[ocean acorn]

thats what i found

[worthy dagger]

i go haste crit for full yolo dps

shield block tanks for me

[lusty grotto]

🤷

if only we had a stat that increased our dmg directly.... we could call it mastery

[oblique garnet]

Its called crit

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[worthy dagger]

which also gives parry

which gives you free revenge

[lusty grotto]

50%party

[worthy dagger]

for more yolo dps

[lusty grotto]

i wasn't aware we were memeing

there you go

[old night]

HAI DUDES

[lusty grotto]

sup film

[tropic star]

Whats DN trinket?

[tender phoenix]

Is Adulation Enforcer(Mace from Atal'Dazar) the best weapon for prot as it has the most haste on it?

[uneven mason]

if its your highest ilvl weapon

[tender phoenix]

ok what i mean is if you have all weapons at the same ilvl what one would be the best in theory?

[lusty grotto]

there's always gonna be a higher ilvl

but in theory, sure

out of all the M+ dungeons so far

[tender phoenix]

ok thanks

[daring marlin]

@tropic star dn

[tropic star]

?

but what is it

[uneven mason]

I too am curious as to what DN stands for

[lusty grotto]

roflll

[daring marlin]

just dn bro

dn

[uneven mason]

dn

Guilford with the 4IQ Demonhunter

forgot his own initials

[signal plover]

Deez Nutz

Bahahahahah

Someone took mAh baits

Oh man

Thnx lads I thought that got ignored

K back to work

[lusty grotto]

jesus paw

gottem

[uneven mason]

👏 dropping 6year old jokes into the middle of someone actually asking about gear, welcome to the Paladin discord boys

[signal plover]

Post screenies Mac it'll make ya feel moar better

[uneven mason]

don't have any today

started mythic, went clean slate

[signal plover]

U should try equipping DN and get some

[uneven mason]

🤦

[signal plover]

👌

[final mist]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

can a monk transendance though the static shock in temple?

[uneven mason]

its a teleport

so in theory yes

[potent anvil]

timed an 18 shrine, monkaS

[uneven mason]

👏

[haughty gulch]

clapping hard

[uneven mason]

Would be required to timer a 18

[ocean acorn]

damn grats deswind

[visual mist]

Quick Nav for our main hand right?

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[visual mist]

TY, you cant enchant the shield can you? I main Fury sorry for the dumb questions

[uneven mason]

cannot enchant shield

[visual mist]

Thank you

[loud lintel]

Hey guys what traits are you using for m+?

[uneven mason]

1x DC, BoM(stack) IF(Stack)

CR isn't horrible either

[loud lintel]

Just 1 dc

[uneven mason]

well

you can stack it for big D DPS

but no additioanl defensive value

[surreal stump]

so yeah 3 dc 3 bom

cause we all like big d dps

[loud lintel]

Ok I has 3 DC and I manage 10 and 12 easy with big d damage

[summer kestrel]

🤔

its blockades bugged?

[loud lintel]

@uneven mason thank you dude

[young oasis]

3 tanks for Jaina good?

hc

[dusk locust]

there's a way to do the swap such that it won't feel like it requires 3

it took us some time to get used to it

we actively try to get frozen around when ice shard stacks get to 8 or 10 or so, whenever the other tank's stacks fall off and he can taunt

that worked for us, though if there's an easier way i'd definitely change to that 😛

[sick sentinel]

Any tips for jadefire masters ? the firehawk just obliterates us

also fuck that pillar in alliance version...

[surreal stump]

firehawk shouldn't be out till like last what 20% or less?

[sick sentinel]

yea but still, 150k "melee" hits + the dot is a bit much

[uneven mason]

DoT tickles

But yeah I dunno why the shit they put that in heroic

"dude hits for 150k ignoring armor, yeah, lets fuck with Prot warriors"

[dusk locust]

oh really, is it incorrect to shield block against him?

[wary gyro]

You should still be able to block it

[uneven mason]

can't block it

[sick sentinel]

it's fire damage

[uneven mason]

You can parry it tho

[vocal nimbus]

there were cases of blockable magic damage

🤷

[uneven mason]

right, its just not blockable

dunno if thats a bug

but I just use my knot

[wary gyro]

Just play pally and block it anyway

[uneven mason]

and pray for parry

you can't block it

with that talent either

its not a spell

its a melee attack

that does fire damage

but isn't blockable

its complicated

[wary gyro]

Well that's just dumb

[indigo knot]

Play monk and ook

[uneven mason]

I agree

Play monk and go make a sammich

5IQ tank spec

[indigo knot]

Just dodge it 4head

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

^

literally how it works

[oblique garnet]

is there any way to cheese ice shard debuff on jaina anymore?

[dusk locust]

what was the original way

[astral crystal]

@sick sentinel cycle externals

[sick sentinel]

I remember the adds on kil'jaeden doing blockable magic attacks but this is hitting me for almost half of my HP

and I'm spamming IP like a madman in that phase

[uneven mason]

use DS and pump all of your rage into IP

yeah

basically thats all you can do

also

be pro

tell your arms warrior to taunt

and DBTS

[sick sentinel]

if only we had one

[uneven mason]

I told him, if he was going to play arms

I was going to abuse him

[indigo knot]

Question is why is he playing arms

Like wut

[wary gyro]

Oh hey a reason to play arms

[uneven mason]

Because he doesn't like fury

🤷

I use him to drop stacks on the first boss

and as my intercept target on Grong

[sick sentinel]

I was just raging today because of that stupid pillar in the middle of the room (alliance side) and mage teleporting all the time to africa or straight into the orb so I can't taunt it

[uneven mason]

Yeah that Pillar is horde favoritism its seriously the worst fight area I've ever encountered

Its a LOS for us but not for the NPCs 👏

like at least be consistent

Let me Pillar hump kite the mage for the entire fight

[sick sentinel]

also mage not moving to you when he's in china but when you get close to him, he decides he's melee mage now so he follows

[uneven mason]

My favorite was the first week he wouldn't even get taunted

he'd just start at you head backwards and continue to fireball the other tnak

had a 30stack go off because the jackass wouldn't break off of the other tanks

[cinder pasture]

My monk co-tank keeps complaining he never gets to tank on Opulence...Not my fault my shield never depletes 😂

[uneven mason]

Yeah

That's a thing, raw physical boss

kind've our thing

first time in there paladin co tank died

and they were like ERMAHGAWDEXTURNALS

nah, 🛡 I got this

can't wait to do him on mythic

[sick sentinel]

and the feeling when avatar lines up with adds spawning

[modern brook]

"Lemme show this paladin how to use the square" - mac

[sick sentinel]

385 knot or 400 jes...

[long tinsel]

I got a 405 crit trink from waycrest. What are our thoughts on that?

[sick sentinel]

waycrest trinket is huge

i got the lingering sporepods that bis or not good

lingering sporepods is trash

[long tinsel]

Is the vial still a top trinket?

I loved that one last season

[sick sentinel]

it was not top

but it is very good

[long tinsel]

What are the top ones right now?

[sick sentinel]

opulance is really good for its pure defensive value

knot is really good for dps in mplus

jes is really good in raids

rezan's is also really good in both raids and mplus

[long tinsel]

Would you say the knot is better than waycrests?

[sick sentinel]

WM is good for dungeon

I would choose knot over WM

[long tinsel]

Even if my knot is 385 and waycrest 405?

[sick sentinel]

no

well

if I recall correctly the gore-block has 1ppm

[long tinsel]

Ehhh that's kinda lame

I just got it so I haven't tested it yet

[sick sentinel]

wait no

[oblique garnet]

405 over 385

[sick sentinel]

it's 2 ppm

[oblique garnet]

its insane

[sick sentinel]

if it is 2 ppm then you use goreblock

[long tinsel]

Yeah I'm gonna look into that. 2 would be awesome

[sick sentinel]

I have been using a 390 gore block for fury

let me look at some of my logs

[long tinsel]

Does that sim well for fury?

[primal crypt]

Goreblock is top tier

very hard to beat

[round oasis]

Is syringe better knot? Or is the use auto better than proc (for tanking)

[primal crypt]

if you can get a high ilvl version of it

[sick sentinel]

I just looked at a 6 min oppulence log

did not proc once lol

and on a 6 min mythic grog pull

procced like 11 times

[long tinsel]

Oppulance?? I usually absorb millions in m+ with that

[sick sentinel]

no I mean

I had gore block

[long tinsel]

Ohhhhh

[sick sentinel]

and it didn't even proc

lol

[long tinsel]

That's annoying

But it proceed 11 times in 6 minutes

Interesting

[deft vector]

Can warrior tank all M BfD?

[vocal nimbus]

yes

[sand egret]

Blackfathom Depths?

[vocal nimbus]

maybe

[unborn island]

how do we rate the opulence trinket?

[sick sentinel]

op

[astral crystal]

damn this race just got monkaS

wonder if limit was also zerging

[merry cave]

Limit will get with the reset gear I think

[astral crystal]

kinda hoping there's a secret phase but that seems unlikely with how brutal just getting to 10% is

[warm plinth]

Yeah I really doubt we'll see anything else pop up with how difficult it has been so far.

[orchid adder]

is the lingering sporepods trinket any good? I just got a 375 version and am considering swapping it in for the darkmoon deck i am still using

[ebon hound]

No, the consensus is that it is stinking hot garbage.

[orchid adder]

well, thats promising. thank you

[open bluff]

it's better than bwonsamdi's bargain

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt Youre higher io than me?!?!

[primal crypt]

eh?

[oblique garnet]

Aight time to bring out the sweatpants

[primal crypt]

I made top 10 US horde XD

[oblique garnet]

fucking hell man i need to stop slacking

[primal crypt]

I'm going to catch Deswind soon

[warm plinth]

It's because you're not streaming enough @oblique garnet

[primal crypt]

Just need a little more polishing

and some azerite luck tomorrow

[primal sable]

hello friends, how does prot fare in mythic plus compared to a spec like bdk?

they dont seem that popular

[primal crypt]

Look right above your post lmao

[warm plinth]

We are literally 6 of the top 10 places for timed runs

[primal crypt]

They seem pretty popular

lmaooo

[ebon hound]

Thunderthighs is the non-believers demise

[primal sable]

thats us lmao, implying i should take it as reference

[oblique garnet]

6 out of 10 highest timed dungeons are with prot warrior

[terse scroll]

During mythic progression week*

[potent anvil]

@primal crypt i see you climbing 👀

[primal crypt]

😄

[terse scroll]

That said, prot warrior is still good. I have more fun playing my alliance prot war than my horde h pal main 😦

[oblique garnet]

man i honestly gotta stop just afking around dazaralor

[primal crypt]

I did that 18 shrine

got knocked into windspeaker

first pull on boss

wiped the group

felt amazing lmao

BUT

[potent anvil]

the strat to shrine is skipping every mini boss (windspeaker, runecarver, elemental)

[primal crypt]

we did pull off giga pulls

because of you XD

[potent anvil]

also to spell reflect the first boss every time its up

[primal crypt]

wait, how to skip windspeaker

where do i take her

lol

[potent anvil]

sea blast hits for like 250k+

[primal crypt]

whewwwwww

[potent anvil]

hmm, to share the trade secrets 🤔

[primal crypt]

🤔

[vocal nimbus]

just bribe the mob

[oblique garnet]

you can also stand in between the 2 that split to maximize thunderclap damage and sr all the casts back at the same time

[primal crypt]

mhmm

[potent anvil]

if you know how to pull the initiates separately from the windspeaker, you'll know how to skip her

[primal crypt]

oooooooo

Des is top tier

[oblique garnet]

nani?!

[potent anvil]

its the big brain play

[oblique garnet]

This is some next lvl Na Brain stuff

[potent anvil]

i wish i got an AD key at some point, i have a big brain route for it too just never got a chance to test it

[oblique garnet]

oh man i have nasty route for atal

if only yazma didnt last fucking 4 minutes

with bl

[potent anvil]

yeah that fight takes quite some time

[oblique garnet]

Do you know any ETA on the HP nerfs on atal?

[potent anvil]

not that im aware of

[oblique garnet]

Iirc there was a blue post stating that tyrannical hp would get nerfed at some point

but honestly tho thats needed

[grim prism]

My friends are trying to get me to resub

Is prot still trash

Be honest, I know and love(d) this spec and I just want to call a spade a spade here

[oblique garnet]

was never trash

now actually top tier

literally used in WF race

[grim prism]

For M+ specifically*

[daring marlin]

you can check raider.io

[grim prism]

Shouldve clarified

[daring marlin]

and bestkeystone.com

because prot is top

[oblique garnet]

Also top tier in m+

[daring marlin]

hey late

remember the naysayers

but muh utility

8.1 not enuff

[grim prism]

Interesting

What did they change?

[oblique garnet]

Guilford that might be true for infested

But for reaping?

Bdk can cuck themselves with mass grip and instantly get 40 stacks

[daring marlin]

We’re tanky as fuck, can block projectiles, do insane damage (especially for reaping)

[grim prism]

So they made us able to block projectile casts this expac, finally

Did they just change numbers for tankiness or is there an actual build change

[daring marlin]

Vanguard

more stam and armor

[oblique garnet]

That was so unnecessary tho

[daring marlin]

I have over 10.5k armor with two fucking 385 asserites still

I mean yeah, we were already quite tanky.

ip off gcd is phat

[potent anvil]

the trick with dealing with reaping as prot, is to kill mobs relatively close to each other so you start stacking the reaping wave. then open with like 300k aoe dps with avatar. 👏

[daring marlin]

jump on in balsaq the blood ain’t cold

[grim prism]

LOL they took IP off GCD? Based af

Man I gotta look up a changelog

I didnt think that was a necessary change tbh, but it's definitely nice

[daring marlin]

I love small enclosed dungeons for reaping

[oblique garnet]

@potent anvil yeah thats good way but theres some dungeons where that aint possible so just going los behind a corner is 👌🏻

[daring marlin]

ez grouping

[inner trail]

that was like the top 1 requested change

[oblique garnet]

Oh wcm reaping is gucci

Raal room reaping especially

If you have killed some maggots and some adds in the boss room