everybody uses it
#protection
sick sentinel
lol
oblique garnet
Gotta have transmog thats nsfw
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel I would use the toys to change my race to see how much I like the animations of each one
Thanks, any tips on how to get said toys? .-.
:'D
well there is an item you make with JC that you can find in the actionhouse with 50 uses
that you trade appearance with a targeted party member
it's like 50 gold I think
I've been thinking about UD/Goblin/Belf but idk..
Guess I can class trial and check or something :P
oblique garnet
Belf has most useful racial
sick sentinel
undead is nice, goblin is ๐คข and belfs are up to the person
I don't like belfs because they have no male option
Oh yeah, Arcane Torrent gives rage right?
I honestly like Shemale Belfs.
not gonna lie.
broken roost
Aoe dispel - there are lots of applications in bfa
sick sentinel
and it purges!
Guess it's the same, nvm
and casting battle shout as a blood elf sounds trash
if I was a belf, I would play with sounds off
I already do :P
Belf Heritage is pretty cool as well I guess.
plain lake
I know as prot the more haste the better But as for the other stats Whats the cap for Vers, what is the least crit/mastery you should be running
sick sentinel
but you can't say "WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY THUNDERCLAPS" when somebody talks and you're doing 100k dps
@plain lake all stats are very good and there no caps
The cap is when you have 100% of one stat and 0% of another :^)
plain lake
lul
sick sentinel
you always equip the highest ilvl (with an exception of rings where you can drop like 5-10 ilvls for a gem sometimes)
thin ore
@plain lake such things don't exist. forget about it.
sick sentinel
when between 2 items of the same ilvl you go for the one that has more haste
orchid mural
NO sense for a prot war to be highmountain, just be regular ol tauren. last thing wars need is another charge, warstomp > all
sick sentinel
1% vers tho
oblique garnet
^
orchid mural
stam is good to.
sick sentinel
way better than more stam
plain lake
Zandalari troll master race
sick sentinel
yeah but stam doesn't make you do more damage
thin ore
hmm
sick sentinel
Only reason I'd go Highmountain > Tauren would be cause of Heritage armor..
thin ore
you mean that heritage armor which looks awesome if you are a shaman
sick sentinel
I guess.
daring marlin
@sick sentinel no male options he says
they beefed belf up from bc beta cuz of people like you
:^)
oblique garnet
Should i just gear up guardian druid?๐ค
sick sentinel
Alliance though :(
velf is alliance though ๐คข
imagine being alliance dude
Idc about factions.. I play what my friends play :P
daring marlin
fireblood baby
sick sentinel
probably the best alliance race
That's a thing that is nice with being Mag'har tbh.. becoming Dark Iron dwarf in DA, can solo tank Kimbul :D
oblique garnet
Alliance LUL
dim blaze
Any tips for trash mobs in KR? Specifically in first boss room and the 4 sets of mini bosses. Are you guys CCing anything on these pulls? Iโm doing keys in the 10-13 range and especially when these enrage they HURT.
Also unsure how to avoid a bad reaping while fighting the 4 sets of mini bosses. One always seems to aggro even if we are way out of the room
oblique garnet
you cant avoid the reaping in there
dim blaze
Next week fort + teeming think Iโll just hard pass on KR
Are you ccing anything on these pulls or just good use of defensive CDs and kiting when they enrage?
oblique garnet
not really
just kill them
the only thing that hurts really is the mage
also dont stand in the lightning
dim blaze
Yeah last group I was in were overlapping interrupts and letting her cast some
dim blaze
Ok
sand egret
its basically taking 2 casts to the face
short vale
Is there a place in details (or someplace else) that tracks(or counts) the overall dmg blocked throughout a fight/dungeon?
sick sentinel
I think you have to log your run and check your log that one
sick sentinel
I agree 100%
lucid bough
most of time you already run a comp with aoe stun between DH elemental and rogues
uneven mason
50% POrty?
unborn elbow
want to do max bigdick dps
last mason
is bastion of might any good in m+
uneven mason
BoM is #1 in M+
last mason
ohh
unborn elbow
what's BoM?
last mason
cool ty
broken roost
Bastion of Might - azerite trait at lv 120
Also I only just realized that that is Tea - I've been like "why does everyone say Foot Soup Clap all the time?"
cinder pasture
It's also a boot, not a foot ๐
sick sentinel
sand egret
my legacy continues.
fair flint
is icyveins correct in terms of haste > vers > mast being our stat prio? and is that defensive stat prio? would a more offensive put crit higher?
sick sentinel
crit has the very high defensive value per point but it is RNG
so in mplus when you pull a lot of stuff, the RNG evens out and its good
you prefer ilvl over everything
unborn elbow
is prot viable in high M+? i main a blood dk
sick sentinel
and when comparing 2 pieces you wear the one that has the most haste on it
unborn elbow
it was super easy to get high in IO
sick sentinel
prot is literally the best tank (even better than bdk) in some dungeons
like freehold
unborn elbow
I want to do BIGBIGDICK dps
sand egret
but the answer is yar
sick sentinel
and on the other dungeons where bdk is the best, prot warr is the second best
unborn elbow
i mean, can i pull off the same size pulls i would with blood dk?
sick sentinel
yes
fair flint
i just love how i have the option to 1 shot the person in the canon in tol dagor
sick sentinel
maybe bigger
unborn elbow
wow really?
sick sentinel
if you have CDs up yeah
sand egret
you just cant suck at mitigating
fair flint
canons are spell reflectable
unborn elbow
im pretty familiar with cd management from playing blood dk
sand egret
hek
sick sentinel
you will die the first times
unborn elbow
in bigdick groups i have a hard time holding aggro as blood
sick sentinel
but once you get the hang of play proactively instead of the bdk playstyle that it is reactively
you will perform good
sick sentinel
aggro in high dps groups is mainly avatar management
sand egret
expect to die
unborn elbow
so for my max dps, i should just avatar>demo shout> then start switching between thunderclap and revenge? while weaving in the normal ignore pains and shield block
unborn elbow
ah
sand egret
in avatar TClap > all
unborn elbow
im guessing shield wall should be my first cd to blow in big pack pulls?
sand egret
the guide goes over this pretty well
unborn elbow
then last stand in oh shit situation
sand egret
eh not really
id hit the guides but thats not how our cds work
thats the bdk talkin ๐
unborn elbow
Lol
sand egret
Last Stand (with Bolster) is used as a way to recharge SB
unborn elbow
ah
sand egret
since it gives you block (via Bolster) and lasts 15 seconds
SW is good for predictive โoh shitโ but usually happens during pulls as a way to cover bigger spikes of damage (big boys in Shrine getting bigger, Enrage, magic, etc)
biggest thing to stress is that prot has no reactive mitigation. Both of ours (IP and SB) are proactive.
strong forum
why cant this chest be 415 FUCK its useless like this
lusty grotto
๐ข ๐ต ๐
daring marlin
shit meme
lusty grotto
no memes allowed here guilfart, didnt you know
lusty grotto
is discord lagging, i cant see the pic
solemn magnet
is the alchemy trinket good for prot warrior?
daring marlin
itโs good
lusty grotto
im running a few tonight guil
lusty grotto
lol
uneven mason
FINALLY
sick sentinel
big
sand egret
hiss
true plover
Any situation where I WOULD take a 395 Howler over a 405 Feather w/ socket & Alc stone?
sick sentinel
https://i.gyazo.com/48a2fc236e82c810046d1b5dfb6cb73c.jpg what trait sohuld I go for? .-.
Blood sport vs a third Brace for Impact?
formal forge
hi my niece has told me in a polite manner that warrior tank is back is fashionable is this correct
honest canopy
I have 0 Brace for Impact ๐ฆ
silk mortar
3 Brace is gucci
silk mortar
Yikes
sick sentinel
DC > BfI right? :'D
silk mortar
Depends on the kind of content but most likely Yes
sick sentinel
Raid >.>
silk mortar
Then yes
sick sentinel
yes
lusty grotto
i need teamchip dps alts!
wru
doesnt depend on the content @silk mortar
1x DC > all
silk mortar
That's sad
steady dragon
solo tanked p2 jaina cuz my cotank died, didnt end well lol
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cYQ6zd3NtgZHMW8F/#fight=13&type=damage-taken
she hits like a fucking truck since the patch
old zephyr
Rezan/Alchemist/Knot, all 400 Ilvl wich 2 do I take?
obtuse kindle
I'm somewhat inexperienced in tanking, would always tank PUGs after the fact/once I knew the raid encounters. I was tasked as OT this tier cuz our Bear didn't come back after the holidays.
Specifically, what would you suggest for better self sustain/survivability on H Grong throws? Should I always have a demo shout and either Last Stand or Shield Wall up to just take less dmg. Anyone know if it's considered physical and block will "block" the landing dmg?
steady dragon
@obtuse kindle on M grong i require an external if i have bleed+throw. If its purely throw just IP should do the trick
healers should be focussing you
obtuse kindle
@steady dragon so I should better plan ahead and get 2 "charges" of IP up if possible to mitigate as best as I can?
steady dragon
1 right before and 1 as you land, roughly
sick sentinel
can you intecept grog throw to not take landing damage?
steady dragon
you are stunned untill the dmg hit, don't think so
obtuse kindle
I haven't tried TBH
steady dragon
besides you probably want to land further than 1 intercept distance
junior ivy
should i come back to wow
junior ivy
i never have free time though ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ
itrs not fair
and @undone sun isn't even yellow anymore ๐ฆ
hollow thorn
Im tanking Mythic Opulence, since our tank had to leave mid raid. Other tank told me to go Never Surrender
what do u think
do i go it
hollow thorn
Raid boss
junior ivy
is it fun
hollow thorn
Opu is my fav fight
obtuse kindle
Opulence is fun as Prot and DPS
junior ivy
k i might come back for 1 month
sick sentinel
never surrender is actually trash
obtuse kindle
other tank is a scrub it sounds like
sick sentinel
it has 100% effect when you are at 0% health
obtuse kindle
Bolster + AM = Last Stand like ever 60-90 sec
plus you can spend all that rage in IP instead of block
gotta love 15 sec of block amirite!?
when I'm tanking Bro Joe on Blockade, I'm just rolling thru my CD to try to keep my healers with more mana for later in the fight
SW once, LS 2-3 times, Demo Shout like... all the time...
solemn magnet
Best professions for a PRot Warrior ? Alchem/ Engineering ?
ocean acorn
whats better 400 gore crusted or 400 rezans
frank mantle
what traits for defense should i use in the engineering goggles
im torn between synaptic spark capacitor and relational normalization gizmo
severe pond
Gizmo
frank mantle
ablative shielding or overwhelming power?
sick sentinel
op
frank mantle
perfect, ty
outer dew
@hollow thorn did he give any logic for never surrender?
lusty grotto
i gotta say im interested in what he has to say
or curious rather
yeah but i mean why would you even need HR with capped RA on fetid
hollow thorn
@outer dew "its better"
lusty grotto
and obviousoly pre-patch because if it was post... you know
outer dew
Because people change tanks or alt clear
lusty grotto
true
lusty grotto
3 bosses, takes what 30 mins?
at most an hour
but sure i get what youre saying
anyway that answer is not surprising at all haha
outer dew
Real question is if I should be guild hunting as a tank
lusty grotto
good luck with that
daring marlin
smh ur head
echo egret
any advice if this trinket is better than my other 2 ?
sick sentinel
gore over barnacle
daring patrol
^
hollow thorn
Block and Rezan
echo egret
ok thanks
old zephyr
I've got rezan/Knot and aclch stone, Rezan + Knot is the way to go right ( all same Ilvl)
sick sentinel
rezan+ knot as well
sharp fjord
anyone can link me the azerite tier list for prot warrior please? or say where i can find it
sand egret
its in the pins
sharp fjord
ty
upper spoke
lunar festival any good? meta achievement?
mounts, pets or anything interesting from it?
sick sentinel
I think meta for violet protodrake but this is #protection
weary nacelle
hey guys, do you know if you stack Bloodsport do you get 2x increased ignore pain. So its 4.5k per bloodsport, having two of them would make 9k increase on the ignore pain. Is it?
sick sentinel
yes
weary nacelle
oh nice, so actually having 2x of it makes sense
sick sentinel
the leach also stacks
weary nacelle
this is great. Thank you buddy
smoky oriole
bonded souls or brace for impact? Anyone have suggestions
๐
im just not sure about proc rates for bonded
sick sentinel
it has like 45% uptime
for raiding I would go brace
for mplus it is more of a personal choice
smoky oriole
Ty ๐
supple path
405 mastery / haste gloves > 400 vers/crit + socket, yeah?
Imagine that hasn't changed.
lusty grotto
it hasnt
ember temple
@weary nacelle if you mouse over the center of an azerite piece (the ilvl boost bit) you can see tool tips for everything you've selected. Numbers in green stack. Numbers in yellow don't
Iirc
weary nacelle
๐ฎ didn't know that, sir.. oh wow, i'll test it. Thank you!!
sick sentinel
well
not exactly
the % from CR actually stacks
but it is not increased by ilvl or the center piece
queen valley
I see you guys talking about those three trinkets. Would block be better than the spore one from... underrot?
Or whatever itโs from
Not by my pc
Assuming same ilvl***
outer dew
No
In I scrap it if I get a 425 with socket and leech
So I dont have to trade trinkets in raid
Nasty
queen valley
I think I have 385 spore and the crit one
outer dew
What's the third?
outer dew
Much more value in m+
queen valley
Just started tanking/playing warrior two weeks ago so idk how certain stats work lol
outer dew
Sometimes you roll the dice on third boss of KR and never get the debuff
Lmao
Hover over parry
Should say something about crit
queen valley
Oh okay thanks.
sick sentinel
hi im thinking of picking up tanking again how are warriors atm in raids and m+ i see there doing +22 keys but for raids ive seen the odd top guild using a warrior but the rest going double dk or dk and monk what are your takes on warrior are they any good for mythic raids?
warm plinth
Yes, they are good for mythic raids. Method is using one on Jaina right now iirc
summer kestrel
god
Im tired of these fucking arbitrary cost on reforging
my best azerite items for arms are the same for prot
sick sentinel
same
my fury shoulders are the best for prot as well
using 415 for fury and 400 for prot PepeHands
broken moon
Thank you Darkshore, now time to watch the Pats watch another superbowl
warm plinth
Idk why they can't just let you have different trait configurations for different specs
sick sentinel
because FUN DETECTED
warm plinth
What's the cap on azerite reforging cost?
sand egret
mostly because that would go against their original design (not saying it was good in hindsight but thats why)
there is no cap
warm plinth
Oh jesus
warm plinth
How much is your reforge cost up to now?
I'm guessing you (hopefully) don't have to do it every day
sand egret
10g atm
outer dew
50k at one point
sick sentinel
I reforged for like 620 on tuesday
outer dew
Reforged everything
sick sentinel
that's the highest I have done
warm plinth
50k, jesus
I couldn't even afford a seal on one of my toons and you're pumping out 50k for azerite reforging lol
warm plinth
So wait, is the cost associated with each piece or every reforge period?
outer dew
Every
warm plinth
You get your gold from PvP?
sand egret
yeah everytime you hit the button the cost of the next one is 2x
sick sentinel
no you need different azerite powers for PvP compated to PvE
sick sentinel
How do you guys handle the adds on champions of light? I'm finding it frustrating trying to keep them all together and having to reposition them every time a seal is dropped. The worst is when they come back in later and I have to scramble to pick up the mages while trying to keep the melee guy away from the boss. Sorry if this is a super basic question, I'm still a beginner tank.
cosmic oasis
i just don't bother trying to move them away from the circles ,not too big of a issue if they are spread a bit
besides that i just taunted the melee guy and smacked the casters a bit to get aggro but it's still annoying with mongo dps
vocal nimbus
It can get messy
Main tank moving away helps too
If you cant get the dps to kick casts ask the other tank to move the boss away from the casters
And bring the crusador to them
sick sentinel
Goctcha. I was just feeling terrible at my job with all those mobs standing in random spots instead of nicely grouped.
formal vine
One thing that helps to ease the stress is that unless its Burn the adds phase, only the crusader needs positioning. Doesnโt matter if the casters get the hot on them or stand in concecrate, if no one is attacking them
Made that part easier for me at least
clear sapphire
Q. Does Apothecary's Concoctions proc off ignore pain (AZ trait)?
sick sentinel
A. Don't use AC LOL
clear sapphire
I was hoping it would be a somewhat useful trait ;P
sick sentinel
you can use it if it is against a second DC on your gear I guess
but then I would get a different piece of gear that does not have a DC in ring 2
crude glen
Is there any effective way to utilize the safeguard talent in a raid setting? I feel like on paper it's a very effective external CD with an extremely short CD, but the fact that you need to be at minimum range makes it really inconvenient to use in most cases
sick sentinel
intecept does not have a minumum range
you can literally intercept a friendly target and not move at all
crude glen
Wait really? Maybe I'm just being stupid then, could've sworn it was like charge
clear sapphire
0-25 for friendly
sick sentinel
when in mplus if you are running alongside a friendly you can intercept them for free rage
and not actually move at all
candid path
good idea to bring back your "/cast [@focus] Intercept" macros from Legion
bright night
whats stat priority for prot?
sick sentinel
ilvl, when 2 pieces at the same ilvl then the one that has the most haste
sockets complicate things, but you don't drop more than 5 ilvls for a socket unless it is a ring where you can sometimes drop 10
read the guides and the faq in #268491842637660160 for more information
IP ใSB ?
opposite
SB>>>>>>IP
Okay
thx
undone sun
Unless it's against only magic damage
outer dew
@warm plinth you can buy rerolls with pvp tokens
brave pendant
Hey guys, any tips on tanking the fire mage in Mythic JFM. I am having difficulty in keeping myself alive when tanking above 7 stacks and totally gets chunked by the Phoenix.
I tank alongside a BDK and I always take the multi sided strikes.
sharp dew
Tbh not much you can do, call for externals often. If you look at every different tank classโs logs, they all get destroyed in jadefire averaging ~35kdtps. Really just on your healers to babysit you and always call for externals and make sure your SR is up after swapping so you can mitigate some of the dot when itโs at its highest stacks
daring marlin
IโM A PIONEER
brave pendant
Thanks! Yeah I save my SR the the last few seconds and cover the burnout.
steel mauve
the damage and i believe the DR does, but it still only gives one stack per use
tropic orbit
Okay, thanks. ๐
lucid kelp
does spell reflecting Jade Masters cause an extra explosion when the dotr falls off the boss?
merry cave
healerproblem
fierce juniper
@lucid kelp it does, but it doesn't really do any damage since its only 1 stack
lucid kelp
Ok cool
timber nest
isnt big red button poggers for dmg?
sick sentinel
Nice
over 
:o
@primal crypt what trinkets do you use? do you kite often?
Kiting is for nerds LOL
kiting this week hm?
I mean
You can ROP
And still be in TC range
And binding shot
And trees
With crackling thunder ofc
But when all 3 are down you are facetanking
just curious because i feel paper thin after playing dh and dk in legion mainly
And you really only need those 3 when pulling 3 packs and they are enraged
Warrior can facetank basically everything
undone sun
legion tanking and bfa tanking are so far apart
sand egret
tbh every tank is paper thin in comparison
legion tanks were fuckin whole raid groups
sand egret
as far as bfa tanks go...we are far from paper when played correctly
sick sentinel
Could heal you to full health with a crit
warm plinth
Legion healers were just a 4th DPS that occasionally casted a heal spell
sick sentinel
i mean its not that bad its mainly a gear deal
sand egret
legion was literally about making your character = to a god
bfa came in like โBACK TO BASICS BITCHESโ
sick sentinel
Yeah, living the power fantasy for an expac
wasnt beginning of legion like that too, to be fair?
sick sentinel
Wod was shit because we went there from MoP class design
Like 90% of the specs were complete in MoP
Done
sand egret
it sucked initially due to legendary rng making the โhavesโ and โhave notsโ
but once people filled out their artifact and got their shit it became godmode
sick sentinel
Like, let us play mop specs, cast heroic strike
And just give us more raids
That don't have to do with our emotions
sand egret
early expacs always suffer due to the necessary downscaling. some are far worse depending on the previous expansion
sick sentinel
Prot warr and fury warr feel great now, not gonna lie
warm plinth
I'm leveling a warrior as fury right now on horde side; it's actually fairly enjoyable
sick sentinel
They feel awesome to play
warm plinth
I hated fury in Legion
sand egret
isnt that the DH spec?
warm plinth
Same playstyle ๐
sick sentinel
Last half of legion I was enhancement
I just kept flametongue weapon and pressed stormstrike over and over
warm plinth
I actually love enhancement's playstyle; I just hate the sound effects of the spec.
sick sentinel
And I had my atrifact ability which was "press when bad rng" with a 1 min cd
warm plinth
Enhancement sounds like an earthquake is happening - 500 miles away
sand egret
๐ค
primal crypt
I kite at the very end of all my mitigation @sick sentinel
but I hardly reach that point
even on triple packs
I'm able to just turret down and take all the damooj
quartz lake
Heroic conclave is a nightmare. This fight is our guildโs wall right now.
sick sentinel
You have to assign raid cds
And sometimes hold dps
So you will not line up tiger or akunda with bird
quartz lake
๐๐ป
vocal elm
Whats a simple Taunt Focus Target macro. Mine seems to not be working
grizzled steeple
/cast [@focus] Taunt ?
neat lagoon
with the new traits, is deafening crash still a must have? i figured it would be
undone sun
yes
last mason
Since I have 2 bom, when I pop avatar and shout should I just be clapping and revenging? I also have one callous.
On aoe*
warm plinth
If you don't need the rage for IP/SB, you can revenge (or if it's free ofc). It should be free a lot on larger pulls due to avoiding melees.
sick sentinel
Clap every other gcd
Keep ip up and gave enough rage for sb
And revenge
I usually go avatar, shout, clap, revenge, clap, revenge, clap etc
Shield slam when revenge is not free
And I use ip to not cap rage
Since most of revenges are free from partying too much
Parrying*
neat lagoon
whew partay!
warm plinth
50% party
undone sun
๐
sick sentinel
How is half a party like
neat lagoon
hey also i noticed @last mason mention bom? what is he reffering too?
undone sun
bastion of might
silent fossil
Would you guys say going from a 395 haste/mast/leech -----> 400 Vers/haste belt is worth? I'm not sure how to value leech
undone sun
leech isn't worth anything more than secondary stats
silent fossil
So the 395 is better?
warm plinth
Take the 400. He was saying that you shouldn't value it more than more secondaries.
silent fossil
1300 haste, the 395 has higher haste, so leech is basically not worth taking into consideration?
undone sun
corrrect
warm plinth
Correct.
silent fossil
danke
last mason
Whatโs generally worth more on an equal ilvl piece with haste as one stat, mastery or vers
warm plinth
Vers would be slightly better overall.
dark lark
quick question: on jadefire masters when im tanking mage, is there any point to shield block or shoiuld i just be using ignore pain and shield reflect?
neat lagoon
you can prolly do the latter
wasting rage on block is probably less productive than using it for IP
honest canopy
Just did a Underroot9
Truying to get my vial finally
Just before i did KT in TK
Came 3rd dps, without eq my shield
๐ค
warm plinth
You can still use SB to increase your damage output, but since the mage only does fireballs, there's no defensive reason to use Shield Block @dark lark
neat lagoon
on UR? well theres really no dps, maybe your TC was op lol
neat lagoon
does Brace for Impact traits stack?
warm plinth
Wait what? You didn't have your shield equipped? ๐ค
warm plinth
RIP lol
warm plinth
@neat lagoon Yes
undone sun
@neat lagoon all traits stack
additional BFI traits increase block and shield slam damage
neat lagoon
well deafening doesnt?
neat lagoon
WHAT?! wince when
undone sun
always
neat lagoon
but it doesnt add to demo shout time
undone sun
no
warm plinth
The only thing that doesn't stack on DC is the Demo Shout duration
neat lagoon
oh ok
honest canopy
I have 0 Brace for Impact traits ๐ฆ
DC and Iron Fortress all the way along with a bloodsport and the engineering one
-_-
warm plinth
I thought I saw someone say that if you hovered over the center trait, it signified what stacked somehow ๐ค
neat lagoon
i have 2 Brace and 1 Deafening
undone sun
pretty sure that's a thing @warm plinth
neat lagoon
has anyone tried the Battle raid trait? the Soul Bond or w/e where you and an ally heal and have a haste increase?
i have H King Rak chest and can take either Bloodsport or that trait as my second tier
warm plinth
@undone sun Something in there a different color perhaps? Might be my colorblindness working against me
warm plinth
@neat lagoon It's pretty good; has ~45% uptime from what I've heard.
Yeah, you'd think there'd be a better way but this is Blizzard we're talking about
undone sun
right
fringe marten
IF for no other reason, the RAGE engine from Mekkatorque looks so cool to use.
bitter girder
are there any good prot warrior pov from BoD hc or mythic?
undone sun
Sense
sick sentinel
Marok
bitter girder
ok ty
fringe marten
Yeah sorry Aesri; as the trinket 'ramps' up it spits out gouts of steam and sparks from your shoulders, and then during the last 7? seconds of the engine when you have full stacks it shoots large jets of steam and sparks from your shoulders constantly, then one side can linger for a few seconds after effect fades..with the smaller gouts of steam for a few seconds.
fringe marten
It's among our best trinkets to boot; but it has the icing of also being super cool to use..
rapid tide
I will personally stick to Opulence + Rezan's probably.
Rezan's is just easier to get at decent ilvl.
And I won't see Mekka on Mythic ever sooooo ๐
fringe marten
I'm using a 400 of those...400 gem, 400 eye. I got a random 385 rage engine from normal BoD
the opulence trinket is super good but pure defense; no help at all for dps. the RAGE trinket is a bit of both
sick sentinel
opukence trinket scales with haste so it is really really good for prot warr
fringe marten
yeah absolutely, in M+ zonewides it's overall healing is ridiculously good..tons of damage mitigated; however..it's doing just that, absorbing a little damage frequently. the mekka trink is defense (through haste/active mit) and damage through haste.
Like all on use trinkets it's for burst windows; great for every couple pulls in M+
I would never say it's better defensively; it's not...it's just a very cool fun trinket that is also actually good for prot.
rapid tide
For offense I am looking to get the one off the worldboss
The 1 minute cd crit on use.
That sounded quite nice.
fringe marten
Yeah I have a 385 of that..was very nice. benched for 400's now.
sick sentinel
it is really good
rapid tide
If it had 45s cd to line up more perfect with avatar it would be even better ๐
fringe marten
Also; same reasoning..the alchemy trinket is amazing for that too.
rapid tide
But still having it every other avatar and probably almost every avatar in m+ is rather sweet.
undone sun
sure if the trinket is just giving stats
nova gale
Never got an answer on this last night but did someone try out the apotecharys concotion trait?
rapid tide
Can't find a single ranked log with it.
I would take from that that probably it's rather bad.
But no way to tell outside of testing.
rapid tide
condolences.
rapid tide
I mean that's a way to describe boring I guess.
tight tree
I like all 3 specs. I like methodical Arms and hectic Fury, just for diff things. Too bad Arms is low on damage now, noone wants them based on that sims
bitter girder
hi all i am still very new to warrior tanking sense WoD, i have spent some time on Justwait's steam now looking at him tanking, and noticing he is holding a lot of Shield blocks during normal AA, i assume it is to have it for special hits or something like that. My understanding was we need it up all the time without taking a lot of damage, is this not true? can we tank without any AM up for periods of time?
silk mortar
If a tank smash will come and you nkow you wont have enough shield blocks until then you are most likely to save one
formal vine
You can, but your healer will not like it
silk mortar
Just to make sure that gets mitigated since it will most likely be the thing to kill you
bitter girder
well he still have alot of CD's to use
tulip pond
By holding the shield block you mean having the second charge ready to be used right?
silk mortar
When i mean save i mean having atleast one left for the tank smash
bitter girder
when i play ,(coming from i monk) as soon i dont have SB i use LS even if it just AA and stuff, even putting in a SW if i dont have SB or LS
rapid tide
Thing with SB is that you can not get 100% uptime with it
You can get 30-40% at best.
bitter girder
am i doing it wrong? because sometime i feel i have nothing left to use
rapid tide
So you need to hold them at some point
You will probably want to hold them while "only" taking AAs.
That's damage that is already mitigated by base block chance, parry chance and armor
Getting good at prot is knowing when you need your defensive up and when not.
rapid tide
e.g. => JFM. The monk does not really have any major mechanics outside of multi-sided strike so you can rotate SB a lot there even offensively.
On Grong you can block his Bestial Smash
Freely rotating SB there and not having one up for the Smash equals a really bad time.
Thing about prot and why it's considered a "hard" tank is that all defensives are proactive. You gotta know beforehand that you will need them in a second
When you already took the damage it's too late for prot ๐
tbf though this tier is rather tame on big blockable mechanics.
You can rotate SB for a lot of the time
bitter girder
okey, so when using SB with cd's, can i ignore using it if i have like SW up or an external like Ironbark or Pain supression?
rapid tide
Well it depends.
bitter girder
if there isent a specific AM need
rapid tide
Is there a big blockable hit incoming in the next seconds? Then keep your SB for it.
Like the rule is that you want to block everything big that can be blocked
Basically prot requires a lot of encounter knowledge.
What can be blocked, what can be reflect.
It's not monks "keep brew up you gucchi" ๐
bitter girder
hehe okey
rapid tide
Also you have your big cooldowns in last stand (potentially even bigger with bolster) and Shield Wall.
You wnat to use those, too in the right moment
Once again, encounter knowledge.
You can use bolster at 0 stacks of SB to regain stacks while blocking everything with Bolster.
That's mostly a really good use of it.
Shield Wall you can take to mitigate any type of damage, I mostly plan it for big hitting magic hits.
You need to find a balance between actually using the skill and having it up in the right moments.
If you never use it => really bad
If you use it just like that and don't have it when you need it => just as bad.
bitter girder
okey
playing with anger management is a bitt tricky now at first, not really knowing how long the cd's will be, on monk i know that even my Fortifying brew that has a 7min cd is more like 3min cd with optimal play. is there anything similar when playing with Anger management?
rapid tide
Under optimal circumstances you can expect to generate ~350 rage per minute. At 1s per 10 rage that's ~35s reduction per minute you get when optimally playing
So if you roughly cut the current cd in half you will have a good estimate in my experience.
bitter girder
okey, so for me as new to warrior i can about expect half of that to be safe then xD or maby something like 20sec per min
rapid tide
Ye, it highly depends on your rage generation
Like being good offensively in your rotation will give you huge advantages defensively
as all our cds are basically tied to rage generation
lucid bough
are we expecting nerfs?
rapid tide
๐คท only the gods of blizz can tell
lucid bough
damage wise
rapid tide
I don't think anything major tbh.
silk mortar
Wont most likely be expecting nerfs, they may reduce unstoppable force but who knows
bitter girder
i also see then looking at pov's a lot less IP usage then i expected. Isn't it always a better choice to use rage defensively then offensively during a harder fight? or outside cd's?
tight tree
Meka trinket (haste increasing one) any good for prot? Listed last in list in IV guide, any personal opinions? If yes, how to use it better, pre-activate before Avatar?
rapid tide
IP is a complicated thing.
For most people you will want to priorizite defensive value > offensive in all circumstances.
For most
If you are looking at PoVs of people like justwait they are progressing mythic
And every point of dps counts there.
So when you can sacrifice any defensive value without dying and have more offensive value for that
You want to do it
But that's really the 1% thing.
I would generally advise new prot players to prioritize IP > Revenge all day everyday and just use revenge on procs.
silk mortar
@tight tree If it's listed there it would still be good enough to use. Dont have it myself so cant put any input though
bitter girder
okey thanks
tight tree
Going to run some m+ with it to test. Avatar burst with it should be crazy, machinegun
old zephyr
The CD on it is too long to be awesome I think
But depending on dungeons it might be cool
old zephyr
Most of the time I Bigpull then reaping happen, so I need 2 bug avatars in ร row
thin ore
Tanking grong for the first time as warrior today. Any last tips for talents, trinkets, enchants, trait specifically for grong? Thx
uneven mason
Use the same talents you use in every other fight
make sure your healers know to top you off before he grabs you (HC and above)
You take about 200k~ damage from the grab and throw
you can intercept a monk serpent (or your offtank) to avoid hitting the raid for full damage
Use Demo shout just before he grabs you for bonus points
spam spell reflect mid flight to reduce the landing damage (its nature)
you "CAN" take two Bestial Smasahes if you have block and SW up
but its best not to
tribal schooner
What's the trick with intercepting? You're just avoiding all this raid wide damage from throw?
amber siren
I'd imagine just using intercept breaks the throw animation and stops the damage?
astral crystal
the aoe damage goes off regardless
whether you intercept or leap back
only important thing is person who receives the smash has to be sufficiently far away, which is not a huge distance
so you do get the reduction
old zephyr
so the same thing as taloc?
sick sentinel
hi is intercept high or low prio to use in raid or m+ enviroment if its low prio would i still be ok if i didnt use it?
ebon hound
old zephyr
I don't intercept a ot in raid, aside from mobility purposes,
sick sentinel
right ok thanks
old zephyr
but I tend to charge at things to move a lot ๐
Yet I move more in dungeons than in raids
sweet kettle
You should utilize intercept more in dungeons
If you are running safeguard you can save your allies from some pretty bad situations
With that said don't go charging all the time
summer kestrel
charge reflect the mage in the jadefire duo to reflect one fireball
be a silent hero
signal plover
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sick sentinel
How good is Jes' Howler?
vocal nimbus
pretty good
lucid bough
vial is like godlike
not a fan of howler, cd is pretty big yes
i have 400 vial, 400 gore, 400 howler, 370 socked mythrax trinket
i wanted to use both gore and vial but i cant let go the mythrax trinket
Its like mini cd that saves my ass sometimes
oblique garnet
30ilvls on mythrax is still big yikes
wary gyro
I don't think the mythrax effect is nearly good enough to lose that many ilvls
river marsh
Drop the mythrax one dude, use Jess in mm+ and keep vial for raid if u prefer it over Jess!
oblique garnet
Dont use jes in m+
sand egret
go vial and gore and never look back imho
river marsh
Jess is op in m+
sand egret
jes is awkward to use, and requires proper use for it to be good
oblique garnet
Jes has too long of an cd to be amazing in m+
rough egret
Im using rage and alch trink
sick sentinel
Alright so I have a 400 Howler, 395 Rezan Eye and 370 socketed mythrax trinket, should I just stick with the Rezan's Gleaming Eye and the mythrax trinket for m+?
wary gyro
Rezans and howler not worth dropping ilvl for mythrax trink
sand egret
id drop mythrax personally. 30 ilvls is pretty huge. I may not like Jesโ practically, but it definitely beats out mythrax at +30 ilvl. Unless you need the defensive benefit specifically, drop Myth
wary gyro
If your finding yourself relying on mythrax to save you in m+ you're probably doing something wrong
modern brook
@sick sentinel re intercept: any defensive value gained from using intercept as a defensive w/o safeguard is lost in comparison to the damage it woulda prevented getting you out of a void zone quickly. Use it for rage if you need to / the fight is stationary, use it for movement otherwise
W/ safe gaurd use it when you're not active to help soak some mechanics
wouldnt go crazy with it
IDK how late i am on that
but
You can also use it to make your co tank look like a bitch when you're off tanking fetid
uneven mason
Uldir in 2019
Without safeguard you can intercept your cotank while taking auto attacks since thrash won't hit you, big rage
steady dragon
๐ Apart from me being bad, is there a reason i find it far harder to parse as prot warr than as BDK?
modern brook
In general or against specific fightS?
steady dragon
in general
modern brook
Parses are, on the whole, super cheese-intensive
weary socket
Hey guys
400 krit/ versa ring vs a 370 haste/ versa ring
which one?
modern brook
If you're tryna PARSE just make sure you're hitting a lot of shit when you're Avatar tcing
30ilvls of stamina > any secondary
take 400
weary socket
thanks
modern brook
Rings are still ilvl> stats
uneven mason
THe benefit of having most of our stats be very close defensively
modern brook
if you're in desparate need of a specific stat you can drop maybe 5 and i tihnk the consensus is ~10ilvls for a socket
uneven mason
none of our stats are "BAD"
modern brook
but at that point you're such an edge case its hardly worth discussing
steady dragon
๐คท im parsing like 30-70 on warr and a consistent 80+ on bdk, kinda offputting :p
feels like im gimping the raid
modern brook
RE: parses there are more bad blood dks than bad prots thanks to 8.0 also
uneven mason
^^
timber nest
So I missed it on the method stream but I heard they said they were running a prot war to spell reflect something on Jaina, what spell can be spell reflected?
modern brook
Whats your actual DPS on these fights rewon?
uneven mason
@steady dragon because when a prot warrior focuses on doing DPS, we can do an insane amount of it
a BDK just prays they can hold aggro
modern brook
@timber nest they were using it for blocking the ice shard in thet first phase iirc
tropic star
alchemy trinket 400, rezans 400, vial 400, howler 400
uneven mason
Her primary attack is big physical damage
tropic star
been doing rezans and vial for the M+
uneven mason
Rez + pick your favorite
modern brook
^
tropic star
thinking of doing rezans and howlers for raid
steady dragon
i did 9.3K on grong prot warr
modern brook
REz Vial would be my choice
steady dragon
and analysing warr logs is hard cuz you nerds dont have wowanalyser
modern brook
maybe rez alch if you need survivability?
timber nest
@steady dragon heroic or mythic?
uneven mason
Howler is prob stronger than alch
steady dragon
M
uneven mason
since thats 7% flat DR
tropic star
i like having the flat str with an on use
timber nest
Not bad, I was doing almost 11k
modern brook
2 min CD mac ๐
tropic star
i will prob swap alchemy back in after this week and i get my 200 breaths
uneven mason
yeha a 415 alch be worthwhile
timber nest
Iโm using Rezans and a butcher block. Pumpkin during avatar
modern brook
9.3K tank DPS in a green parse is still > 8.Xk tank DPS in an orange parse ๐คท
tropic star
avatar is too much it feels
modern brook
Brewmasters have the benefit of a lot of their damage not requiring uptime on that boss
steady dragon
just wiping to dps mechanics on opulence rn so i figured i'd spend my time "off" getting gud
modern brook
So they're still hurting it during tank mechanics
tropic star
avatar makes dps and rage gain insane. and now with on use trinkets and the BoM stacking its the stupidly good defensive CD as well
modern brook
PRots gunna get nerfed so hard for 815 :^(
We're hurting DH feelings in M+ AND we're a good raid tank
its op
uneven mason
Why, we don't have anything tht makes us oppressively better than other tanks
tropic star
although it feel great turning into a monster for 20secs every 50 secs or so
modern brook
Namely because we're hurting DH feelies
uneven mason
well DH feelies are being hurt because they suck at just about everything
modern brook
not that we do a lot of damage
tropic star
22k dps at end of dungeon makes us oppressively better than other tanks
modern brook
Just that specifically demon hunters
uneven mason
Except when you're talking about non cutting edge content Jiggles
daring patrol
Oppressively better than other tanks is always having pugs go "WTF is even dankclap"
uneven mason
since our crazy good DPS is there to compensate for the fact that we have nearly no substantial utility
modern brook
excuse u, we have 3 CC that shares a DR
tropic star
lol
daring patrol
Don't forget fear!
uneven mason
Stormbolt best
astral crystal
What do you mean non cutting edge content? Thereโs literally a prot warr on m Jaina prog right now Kappa
astral crystal
Thatโs irrelevant lol
uneven mason
and we're not OP we're just better at dealing with high physical damage
modern brook
Side bar; for M+ I actually really like bear's utility kit
uneven mason
its our "thing"
modern brook
It feels super unique and very useful
modern brook
YEah thats the down side
modern brook
:^(
daring patrol
He's trying his best!
modern brook
My point was just that utility adds a lot of flavor to the class
lucid bough
prot warrior is good on raid and m+, 1st time this expac.
wary gyro
It's nice not being in the dumpster any more
astral crystal
Prot was definitely good in 8.0, I feel like you guys often inflate tank values and create unrealistic scenarios
lucid bough
not really
modern brook
๐คท
daring patrol
I haven't had this much fun on prot since siege. Reaping is clapdream
lucid bough
i played brewmaster and vengeance more than my main warrior before the buffs lol
way more in fact
wary gyro
People actively avoided prot warriors in 8.0
modern brook
If you honestly think a GCD change and blocking rocks made us into a good tank i cant help you fam
tropic star
we are good at now the same things we were good at then
infested jsut required more CC
reaping doesnt
and it was a weakness of ours
so we seem better
modern brook
I dont even agree with that
tropic star
and then tehre are more physical effects in BFD it seems
tropic star
as a DH/Monk you just CC any infested yourself and an dont even slow pulls
lucid bough
its not like you cant even discuss, just compare m+ usage of prot warriors now and before.
And now on raid
night and day
modern brook
tropic star
on fortified weeks you couldnt mongo pull packs that have infested in them . packs lasted too long and we would run to low on cds. then weeks with bolstering exaccerbated it
rocky ledge
BoM is arguably too good as it is. I may quit if they nerf prot into โun-funโ territory.
astral crystal
Yikes, community opinion drones are out today I see
tropic star
IP change was just qol. Block rocks felt way better than IP change
TD, ML, etc became so much nicer
modern brook
@tropic star sure but like - why are you not running with havoc/rogue?
or balance for roots
infested was rarely a tank problem
rocky ledge
The sleeper buff was the 2secs off SB honestly. Going from 40% uptime to almost 55% is so huge
modern brook
thats all it was dude
tropic star
i dont have a set M+ group. it was always what you could get with guild
lucid bough
we got armor buff
tropic star
so only doing 13s-14s last season
rocky ledge
Yes
lucid bough
that was big
modern brook
not really
tropic star
yeaeh so like 1.2 secs off it
modern brook
maintaining effective uptime was pretty trivial in 8.0 too
The biggest change was IP off gcd
lucid bough
not really on m+
modern brook
because it made the rotation more forgiving
lucid bough
unless you run with boomkins that kinda alliviates some presssure
tropic star
i would say IP off CD made the skill floor lower
tropic star
but i dont think it really changed prots performance at higher keys
rocky ledge
If you ever check your LS and SB uptime after a M+ key, you would know we gained like 15-20% more AM uptime during a key going from 8.0 to Live
modern brook
thats like the only change
lucid bough
The IP on gcd and the "skill" that needed to be used to play prot warrior was always the excuse here
was amazing!
rocky ledge
Itโs a big deal
tropic star
which making skill floor lower is the greatest way to modify the public perception
astral crystal
Should watch vods or maximum talking about tank skill
iirc he placed prot right under pally, which was the highest skill tank according to him
modern brook
yeah sometimes you run out of damage immunity buttons
tough spec
:^(
thats a joke, for the record, I dont play bad classes
no clue what a paladin does
uneven mason
Yeah my cotank is a prot paladin
lucid bough
good on jaina
uneven mason
I mean
TFW prot warriors don't even need to tank swap on him tho
Physical damage boss
we got dis
modern brook
time to use the square
lucid bough
light of protector on gcd still feels like ass thou
uneven mason
well
it feels impactful when you press it
and heals 60% of your health
so there is that.
IP was taken off GCD
because 1. we don't have an AM that deals damage
- Because it felt like ass to press, and didn't feel impactful at all
I was ok with it
but it really was kind've a "ok I pressed it and didn't really FEEL like it did anything"