protection

[dense flame]

ewwwwww

I see, okay. Would it be worth dropping some traits on higher ilvl peices for BOM? I know DC 1x worth a few ilvls.

[sick sentinel]

with 5 piece gear you do not drop ilvls

CR adds a bunch of damage so does IF

not as much as others but you know

I personally refuse to get a higher lvl azerite if it does not have BoM on it but I am just a memer that likes big numbers

[dense flame]

I see players like Boost that do ridiculous dmg output. I think that would be more fun than playing fury this season. Gonna practice a bit more, definitely gonna try to snag those traits you mentioned.

[undone sun]

boost is definitely miles ahead of the rest, but yeah definitely something to aim for

[sick sentinel]

screenshot from 25th of jan, I have got like 10ilvls over that now @dense flame

that's 3BoM,1DC and 2 BFI

[broken moon]

so this happened today

also brolled the chest

[dense flame]

fuck nice. Also, that is some pretty intense damage.

really nice

that's what i wanna do lol

[sick sentinel]

@broken moon very big

@dense flame get better traits 4head

[dense flame]

just pop this and pump?

xd, gonna hope for some good stuff next week -.-

[bitter girder]

so i am trying to focus my warrior on M+ and i sort of know what traits to go for, tho my question is, should i stack any of them over getting the next one on the list?

1.Deafening Crash Icon Deafening Crash (you only want one of these)
2.Bastion of Might Icon Bastion of Might
3.Iron Fortress Icon Iron Fortress
4.Brace for Impact Icon Brace for Impact
5.Bloodsport Icon Bloodsport
6.Callous Reprisal Icon Callous Reprisal

[fierce juniper]

Yeah, there's no disadvantage to stacking any of the traits with the exception of Deafening Crash.

[bitter girder]

ok so should i just stack the one that is higher on the list or atleast get 1 of the other ones?

[sick sentinel]

for mplus get 3 bom and 1 dc

[bitter girder]

ok

[hearty pollen]

Trying to pick up prot for my m+'s

where can I find a decent guide on what to pull and when?

very experienced player just need some guidance

[sick sentinel]

sense's youtube videos

to get an idea

[oblique garnet]

If its not casters and you are not close to reaping go nuts

[vocal nimbus]

Weeell

Even close to reaping

Double the mobs double the nuts

Lul

[safe oriole]

Based on the trait discussion for m+, it seems like breastplate in tol dagor is one of the first items to go for as a specific artifact item, considering it has BoM, BfI and OP on the same piece

[sick sentinel]

buying specific

[oblique garnet]

@safe oriole get the one from new raid first boss

Has better traits imo

[austere oar]

Pulling 110k dps during reaping

The nerf hammer is coming:/

[oblique garnet]

Yup

Preparing alts for the worst

[sick sentinel]

I'mma just gonna go fury I guess

idk

the more I play my warrior

the less I like playing every other class

[oblique garnet]

I will either go fury or reroll into rogue or dh

I cant go back to my warlock either

[sick sentinel]

everytime I play with an alt I am thinking

"My warrior feels so much better to play"

[austere oar]

Fury is cool

And it performs well

[oblique garnet]

Fury is ok

But

I need a class i can do m+ with

Fury is not so good in that

[austere oar]

rogue dh

You dont have any other melee choice

[oblique garnet]

Which is why

I have both rogue and dh

[sick sentinel]

the only other spec I would play instead of fury

[oblique garnet]

And there is no way im rerolling to bdk

[sick sentinel]

is outlaw

[austere oar]

Fuck bdks

[oblique garnet]

I have bdk

But

Its not fun

[austere oar]

That's the problem with tanks, the meta ones are boring af (monk bdk)

Warr is the only really enjoyable to play imo

[quiet kettle]

bdk isnt as bad as bmm in terms of boringness imo

[oblique garnet]

If you compare bdk to warrior

[austere oar]

Yeah brm is special kind of boringness

[oblique garnet]

It plays so much slower

[quiet kettle]

u can pretty much do the entirely of brm in 3 buttons

[austere oar]

Wont talk about DH also

2 buttons spam 1 mitigation button

[quiet kettle]

dh has sum unique stuff like the chains etc.

[safe oriole]

chains is a directed massgrip tho

[austere oar]

Most of the Dh kit is useless on most bosses

[quiet kettle]

truthfully all tanks have very simple 'rotations'

[vocal nimbus]

Brm while raiding is boring

But in m+ it is pretty enjotable

[safe oriole]

@oblique garnet what inner traits do you consider better?

[austere oar]

Impassive visage

[quiet kettle]

bdk can also do sum pretty spicy pulls with the right comp

[safe oriole]

the OP is the best in aoe damage imo

@austere oar was referring to the chest he mentioned in particular

[austere oar]

Oh ok, nvm then ^^

[quiet kettle]

i remember a rather absurd group i got accpted to one time

freehold, ,the bdk pulls like 7 packs and runs to the last section, and has a druid mass entangle with that debuff the one add gives

[safe oriole]

@austere oar but ye impassive visage is pretty good, but I think I prefer vampiric speed for m+ situations

[quiet kettle]

watched like 40-45% of the progress get completed instantly

[oblique garnet]

Yeah vampiric speed is good for m+

[quiet kettle]

also vampiric speed is good period

[austere oar]

Yeah vampiric is insane in m+

[oblique garnet]

But like the chest from first boss has Iron fortress

• bom

[quiet kettle]

thou longstrider is better in raid

[safe oriole]

but impassive visage and moment of glory is my favourites for raiding

[quiet kettle]

i have a 3x presence setup and its funny as hell for m+

[safe oriole]

I think I should get impassive for raiding bc my healers are retarded

[quiet kettle]

pull big pop shout, and nothing does dmg for like 8s

[safe oriole]

getting blamed for dieing on rastakhan, when taking 70k damage spread over 5 sec, pretty rip

[oblique garnet]

??

Mythic?

Or

Because on hc the only thing that actually does damage is the bwonsamdi debuff

[runic fractal]

Brace for impact or ancients bulwark?

[safe oriole]

hc

scorching detonation, wich on description does 43k damage per sec for 5 sec, using shield wall+ spell reflection+ ignore pain and still dying, with 390 ilevel, apparently i was to blame for dying to that

[oblique garnet]

@runic fractal brace

Yeah no healers gotta heal that one

Its 100% on them

Also we do the taunt swaps on each of those

[safe oriole]

thinking they are used to healing me from when i was bdk in ulder with 392 ilevel, didnt really need healing back then

I mean before the bwonsamdi spawn

in P1

[oblique garnet]

Oh

[quiet kettle]

the other thing too is that outside of spell reflect prot kinda folds on magic dmg

[safe oriole]

I litterally use every single cd i have in p1 because I dont get any heals

[oblique garnet]

I just tank the adds before because theres nobody that can overaggro me on those xD

[quiet kettle]

less so now with IP off gcd, but still

and a lot of healers forget that prot is squish to magic

atleast we arent DH squish

[oblique garnet]

If youre having hard time with that demoshout ip + sr should be enough to cover that damage

[safe oriole]

but still, if they just healed me up before scorching comes i shouldnt even have to use a single cd, but when it starts im usually at 20%

[oblique garnet]

We are one of the stronger tanks against magic damage @quiet kettle

[quiet kettle]

in a raid environment, i'll give u that

[safe oriole]

thing is my tank mate is bdk, so he got less mobility to run with scorch

[quiet kettle]

in m+ thou, it can get a bit wild

[oblique garnet]

In m+ its not having interrupts etc on the adds and ofc then theres bosses like ml 3rd boss

Fuck that boss on high tyrannical

[quiet kettle]

not saying, were bad at it by any means, but most healers are most used to healing bdks and brms in terms of magic dmg

[wise heart]

just started doing a few 10-12 keys this season and i must say prot warr feels amazing.. i just have problems overusing cds i think

[quiet kettle]

considering brm just bakes a decent chunk of it into stagger and bdk can just pop ams and ignore it for a good few seconds

[undone sun]

Well brm is more predictable, still requires the most attention

[oblique garnet]

Overusing cds?

[quiet kettle]

overlapping might be a better word?

[vast raft]

hello back 400 crit mastery or 390 haste mastery with socket ? 😃

[wise heart]

i have 3 bastion of might traits and an on use mast trinket, should avatar br a defrnsive cd in itself?

[oblique garnet]

Well it kinda is at that point

You have the ritual feather?

[wise heart]

Yup

[quiet kettle]

autotune, from what i remember, crit is better in m+, but haste is better from a raid pov

[vast raft]

okay im only in m+ so i think the 400 then thanks 😃

[oblique garnet]

Yeah so basically everytime you have avatar + that up you can sb and take essentially no damage

[quiet kettle]

not saying haste is bad ever, but crit can outvalue the others in m+

[wise heart]

id say im pretty liberal in using cds, especially during times where ppl take a lot of dmg

[quiet kettle]

ask thyme for sure since its crit vs haste

[undone sun]

🤔

[wise heart]

but i think i should start holding cds more so i can pull more packs

[oblique garnet]

390 haste mastery with socket will have more stats

[undone sun]

Avatar should be used on CD, others like last stand, and shield wall are situational uses

[oblique garnet]

More likely

[quiet kettle]

oh didnt read the socket portion

in that case the 390 is better

[oblique garnet]

you use last stand to fill in the gaps of your sb

[wise heart]

yeah ive been doing that, using last stand to fill sb gaps

[vast raft]

okay thanks dudes !

[wise heart]

but when i pull say, 2 packs i panic hit last stand even with avatar up and the more i think about it with 3 bastion traits + on use trinket the mast i gain from those should be a defensive in itself

[oblique garnet]

Its not bad if you use last stand with avatar

Far from it

You have guaranteed blocks

• you get mastery increase from bom

Which means more than likely youre gonna get crit blocks

Just dont waste sb charges while last stand is active

[wise heart]

yeah, that makes sense

id say i have more difficulty with using wall

[mortal carbon]

hi guys how are the engeneer googles def wise?

[wise heart]

like idk how much damage i take w/ wall up vs, say, last stand

probably due to my inexperience but i feel like last stand is a stornger cd than wall

[oblique garnet]

If its blockable damage use last stand if its not use se

Sw

[wise heart]

cool, thanks

i have to do some reasearch on the keys we're running 😄

[soft delta]

Got this today

is any good for prote ?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

But you will probably replace it rather soon with higher ilvl gear

[soft delta]

i had this one

so i guess is an upgrade haha

[safe oriole]

while speaking of tri

nkets, anyone have any good idea how to use these?

If different combinations of them could be good in different scenarios

[quiet kettle]

i'd say both 385s

for everything

xalzaix could be useful in raid due to how hard some things hit (like getting rekt by scorching detonation)

i'd probly wear xal for things like grong

where ur gonna have times that ur just gonna get smashed no matter what u do

if u went xal in m+ u'd be sacrificing general cd reduction and shield block uptime

[hasty quest]

Regarding trinket I have crafted alchemy 400

[quiet kettle]

pinned guide covers that

[hasty quest]

To run with diamond laced in m+

[quiet kettle]

honestly diamoned laced is gonna be used everywhere

personally, i'd farm TD for a 400 howler

[hasty quest]

That’s a good point auura

[quiet kettle]

then turn the breaths into a crafted armor

[hasty quest]

I have spender almost all night in atal davar to farm that trinket

[quiet kettle]

its tol dagor

for howler

not AD

https://www.wowhead.com/item=159627/jes-howler

[strong forum]

okay just hit 24.5k overall dps in freehold +10

i love reaping so much

holy shit

pls dont nerf prot warris 😃

[quiet kettle]

big boi aoe is prot's niche honestly

brm is ur dodgy boi with a free offtank

which also has decent util

bdk enables cluster bombing

prot pally and DH dont really do much sadly, and bear is hibernating

[oblique garnet]

Howler is overrated

Too long of an cd to be good enough in m+ and very niche in raids

[quiet kettle]

honestly i like to just bind it with avatar

for big dmg

[small kraken]

Stat order for prot ?

Haste / Vers ?

[oblique garnet]

ilvl>haste>others

[small kraken]

alright

[oblique garnet]

everything is pretty much equal

haste is just slightly better than others

[sick sentinel]

any1 got any pics of great Orc Prot warrior Transmogs?

[young oasis]

I think you cant go better than that 😃

Orc king

[sleek raptor]

any insights to the engineer traits in the goggles? (procc rate, what to pick etc)

[eager hedge]

@tight anchor Did you just brag about ilvl 401? 😂

[young oasis]

Guys, about HC mekkatorque. Am I supposed to tell colors of other ppl or just get out of robot as fast as possible?

as tank ofc

[sick sentinel]

@young oasis #transmog

@tight anchor what are you trying to achieve with that lol

[unkempt fox]

lold at 400 big red button

[sick sentinel]

imagine having good trinkets

[grizzled steeple]

Sorry if this is obvious, but what would be the correct choice here?

[sinful cairn]

more stat is better than better stats

[safe oriole]

should warriors go for ilevel?

[sick sentinel]

ilvl>haste>everything else

[safe oriole]

the way ive been thinking is haste item is better if its less than 15 ilvl difference, then ilvl

[grizzled steeple]

So the socket doesn't make up for the 5ilvl different there?

[safe oriole]

socket is more stats than 5 ilvls

so depends on the armor

[sick sentinel]

are you counting stamina and str?

[safe oriole]

did not take that in consideration

[grizzled steeple]

I'm talking about the gloves I just posted Lilleman 😃

[safe oriole]

i know

[grizzled steeple]

Oh alright sorry

^^

[mossy tiger]

If you have room for a str gen sure if not scrap them lol

[sick sentinel]

str gem wtf

we use haste gems

[mossy tiger]

Str gem!!

[safe oriole]

love it how Kaege looks like hes just dancing in with the facts

[sick sentinel]

can you stop using misinformation

use the 390

[grizzled steeple]

Thank you @sick sentinel 😃

[safe oriole]

< havent played prot warr since cata and started again in 8.1.5, so im pretty lost, trying to atleast show that when i say something its only what i think and not a fact

[sick sentinel]

well if you haven't played the spec

then don't spread misinformation

wtf

[safe oriole]

yes my bad there, with the stat thing, and it doesnt really have anything to do with the specc tbh

[sick sentinel]

we never drop ilvl and we never use str gems

we prefer haste on the items that are the same ilvl

[safe oriole]

yes, haste gem wasnt me, but allright then i know ilvl>socket

[uneven mason]

haste is best for smoothing, if you feel your damage is smooth already, its alright to flirt with other stats, possibly have a side fling with Mastery for some DEEPUS, or ask for some crit picks

raw mitigation wise haste is actually our worst relationship, but he's always there when we need him.

Do you, want some crit picks? cause I've got them

[cosmic oasis]

20 ilvl on a ring is a upgrade regardless of stats right? just wanna be sure

[sick sentinel]

even 10 ilvl are

[cosmic oasis]

ty

[honest canopy]

Iv said it before but il do it again

I can just chill here read this chat

Its so awesome. And thats cus all of you users.

[steady fiber]

Hi all, for gear it's like 5+ilvl < haste < vers/mastery right ?

[ebon hound]

pretty much

[rapid tide]

Should be 5+ilvl > haste > vers/mastery

but ye.

Also crit is quite nice if you want the damage.

And depending on damage profile vers/mastery are better or worse.

[steady fiber]

And for tinkets whats bestter i have Vial of Animated Blood 390, Rezan's Gleaming Eye 365, Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism 385, Mchimba's Ritual Bandages 395

and i was like hmm 😄

[eager phoenix]

Id use Vial and Prism @steady fiber

[rough field]

Did I read that note at the bottom of the Prot warrior tanknotes correctly... Sacred Blade can be reflected to help drop stacks?

[strange horizon]

Soul Bond or Bloodsport boys?

Bonded Souls*

[sick sentinel]

bonded souls heals for a lot tbh

[strong forum]

bonded souls is one of the best traits you can get

if not THE best

[strange horizon]

will test it out thanks

[strong forum]

it does so much healing its insane

[strange horizon]

a group all using it is insane synergy

[lucid bough]

did u

[strong forum]

gonna be meta for high m+

for sure

[lucid bough]

check the overhealing?

40-50%

with 1 trait

its not messiah incarnation

that s for sure

[strong forum]

its still insanely strong

heals for over 1m every dungeon

[lucid bough]

its your 2nd healing on the meters

[strong forum]

overhealing isnt counted in healing btw

[lucid bough]

10-15% 1 trait, 40% overheal most of time

counts

just check on the details

[strong forum]

overhealing isnt counted in healing

[lucid bough]

shows how much of that was overhealignb´

shows 1.8 M -- check spell 38% overheal

[strong forum]

healing only displays how much you actually healed

yes

you healed for 1.8m and overhealed ONTOP of that for 600k

so it did 2.4m

you can just check how much you healed yourself in the target window in details aswell

its going to be very close of what the healing stat showed

[lucid bough]

pretty sure

not like tyhat

[strong forum]

the overhealing you do is on the other targets

not on yourself

mostly*

[lucid bough]

not true

if you are full hp

and he procs

still overhealing

on you

[strong forum]

ye then it only overheals

but isnt counted as healing

[lucid bough]

it does

[strong forum]

otherwise healers could pad HPS

[lucid bough]

and they can

LOL

[strong forum]

just spam healing full hp targets

no you cant get HPS by overhealing

only actual healing is counted

overhealing just does nothing

its not displayed as hps

or counted in

[lucid bough]

im not talking about HPS

[strong forum]

literally same

[broken roost]

Just get in a 5man with full HP and pop tranq or something - it doesnt count as healing

[lucid bough]

not the same

[strong forum]

literally the same

[lucid bough]

wtv mate

its not

[strong forum]

overhealing is NOT counted on the healing meters in "healing done"

its only displayed

at the bottom

[broken roost]

Whether or not it's the same is irrelevant - if you have something with a healing spell, go pull some random world quest mob

And spam heal on yourself

It will only show healing for the actual amount of HP increasing healing

[slate vine]

Do you guys stop stacking haste at some point ? I'm close to 1.7k and feel like I could use some extra poly/mastery

[broken roost]

If you're smooth enough, feel free to grab some of other stats

[strong forum]

im at 1.5k and feel the same, but technically you shouldnt

its okay to sac haste for ilvl though

at that point

so if your haste gear is your max ilvl gear not a reason to aim for different stats

[lucid bough]

details showing the total healing done and if you click that you show the % of that was overheal. 1M with 50% overheal only 500k was used as effective healing, rest was healing above 100%

aka doing nothing

[broken roost]

Dont go to total healing done.. go to healing done

[strong forum]

yea

[broken roost]

Should be a different tab

[lucid bough]

should check that

ya

ok

[strong forum]

wow.

[lucid bough]

gonna spec that talent again

too see

XD

[broken roost]

👍

[steel mauve]

Haste never loses value though

[stiff gate]

I’m at 1.3k haste and I NEED MORE

[steel mauve]

Usually youll lose haste when just going for a higher ilvl, since you should be doing that any ways, but we dont have hard caps(that we can reach), soft caps, or break points

[stiff gate]

Feels good to sit at 40+% with ItF

[oblique garnet]

Ngl

Having 13% versa feels good

In uldir i had 2

[broken roost]

In 8.0 I had 0 versatility rating on my prot :D

[hearty pollen]

How much ilvl is worth sacrificing crit->vers?

[daring marlin]

you don't sacrifice ilvl

[hearty pollen]

alright, so basically just go with highest ilvl as prot?

gonna give up dpsing as warrior atm

can't get into a single m+ group

[bitter girder]

when solo tanking in BoD like the first boss or the mini boss on Opulance how do we survive? new to warrior tank and cant get SB to last ennuf

[graceful mason]

Youre guna have some time where you dont have SB up

[bitter girder]

okey so just stack rage for IP to mitigate as much as possible?

[daring marlin]

fill gaps with last stand

[graceful mason]

I end up using shieldwall as more of a rotational ability in that situation

[bitter girder]

just LS isent enuf sometimes

[graceful mason]

when I have no mitigation and if theres something large coming

or even medium damage coming I guess

[daring marlin]

ask for externals

[bitter girder]

pug raid

[broken roost]

@hearty pollen yeah, ilvl > haste > vers/mast, basically

[daring marlin]

not in voice?

[bitter girder]

nop

[hearty pollen]

alright cool, thanks!

[broken roost]

On rings it may be worth sacking 5 ilvls for more haste and a socket, but it'd be minor either way

[bitter girder]

just a normal for now but asking for later aswell

[graceful mason]

I feel like your healers are just ignoring you if youre dieing solo tanking though

[broken roost]

But if a piece has armor/stam, ilvl wins

[graceful mason]

esp opulence sides

those guys dont really do much dmg

[daring marlin]

941 haste life

[hearty pollen]

Anyone here has some good MDT routes for tanking? Mostly I've just followed the lead and killed shit

Or where I could find some ^^

How is bonded souls btw?

[graceful mason]

I feel like it could be good on fights where both you and cotank could bond to eachother

but theres more fights where youre seperated than together

[eager phoenix]

@hearty pollen A good idea is to simply play around with MDT yourself. You know every 20% there is reaping so you might want to keep in mind when & where you hit 20/40/60/80% in the dungeon and you can plan to avoid 100% before last boss to skip the last reaping wave altogether. Make a route prior to the run for the dungeon and save it so you know its associated with the weeks affixes. Generally there might be less difference on routes between weeks now that there is no Infest that impacted routes a lot on a week to week to basis. Run the route a few times and evaluate afterwards with your team and tweak pulls accordingly.

[hearty pollen]

Sounds like a good idea, I'm gonna download it and see how it works. Thank you for the good explanation! 😃

[steel mauve]

You shouldnt be solo tanking opulence any ways, unless you mean the miniboss in p1, and i dont ever have issues with it so idk

I would also suggest even in a pug raid if some one has a tank off spec to 3 tank it, its not required but it makes it so much easier on you

[south condor]

What do i use? 400 rezen 400 alch stone 395 howler

[uneven mason]

alch and rez

[south condor]

Alch is really that good?

[uneven mason]

its a strong trinket

at that ilvl range, use what you feel comfortable with?

I mean, Jes has to be used appropriatly otherwise its pretty hot garbo

[south condor]

Gotcha

[uneven mason]

or just double passive and call it a day

[south condor]

Well then I am gonna stop farming for a good one

double passive it is

[bitter girder]

worth using Safeguard in raid's?

[lucid bough]

i was using on grong

[graceful mason]

Mekkatorque is decent for it

fight is pretty boring as is

so it gives you something to do

[red dock]

I have a 370 weapon with haste and a socket but got a 375 with no haste and no socket. Is weapon dps as important to prot as a dps spec?

[honest canopy]

Yes

[steel mauve]

More weapon dps equals more ip

[sand egret]

Man I love reaping

[upper spoke]

hey longtime prot warrior / lurker of this forum. anyone have a link to a pet disc or secret finding? im having trouble on alliance getting shoak to sell me accursed hexxer.

[broken roost]

More weapon dps equals more bootyclaps too

I think it's important that that's said

[inner zealot]

Hey guys, can anyone explain why Jes Howler trinket is good for Prot? Just got it and not familiar with how it's effect is going to help me.

[pseudo remnant]

Versatility decreases the amount of damage you take. Using the on use effect gives about 10% vers which translates to 10% less damage taken for 12 seconds

[inner zealot]

Thanks!

[steel mauve]

Dmg taken is half that, so it would be 5% less dmg taken, you just do 10% more dmg and healing/absorbs

But its basically a fuck load of vers for you and a little bit of vers for your team, since chances are you would be within range of players to split the vers with

[sick sentinel]

Unless you want to scumbag the vers u gain from it since u get a lot if u use it by urself

[steel mauve]

Would require a lot of movement to be able to solo it on your self, unless you leap out and use it when not tanking in a raid

[sick sentinel]

Yea, imo I would not consider it one of our best trinkets since we get the most value when we get the full buff solo

It's great in certain situations with that stipulation that u have to be solo to get the buff

[final mist]

Even not solo, the buff is still good.

[sick sentinel]

But that's just my view on the trinket

[final mist]

Especially in M+, because of the group benefit.

[sick sentinel]

It probably is, but I could imagine it needs to be a higher ilvl

Because I have a feeling what amount of vers it gives is not that high or even noticeable at 370

Maybe 400/410

[pearl escarp]

Have anyone done some theorycrafting of how good the engeneering head is compeared to raid heads?

[sick sentinel]

What traits do the eng helms have

Because it's more based on the traits

[pearl escarp]

Thinking about the engeneering spesific

Gonna do a pull here, 2sec

[steel mauve]

Idk about with the addition of the new BoD trinkets but jes howler was one of our best, i havent checked our updated trinket list yet though

[glacial flint]

hmm looking at good tanks .. vs them guides the tank stats have changed ill think

haste krit is best

and mastery / versa seems bad

[pearl escarp]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280178/relational-normalization-gizmo

[sick sentinel]

For secondarys it's haste>all other stats when looking at sim ilvl

[steel mauve]

None of our secondaries are bad

[sick sentinel]

^ just about to say that but haste happens to be our best

[old zephyr]

Sims are for Damage only

For défensive purpose haste is King as well, then it kinda dépends What you want to be good against

[steel mauve]

And our stat order is still pretty much ilvl > haste > mast/vers > crit, but all of our stats are close together and none of them can be considered bad

[old zephyr]

Crit may have gone up à bit beacause of reaping

[sick sentinel]

Reaping can eat my asshole

[steel mauve]

Crit can be better in m+ if you get a ton of it, because of the parry on it

Parry every thing lol

[glacial flint]

all tanks ill checked have ~ 1k haste / 1k krit .. and some have rest mastery .. and some have a bit more versa

[sick sentinel]

Check the ilvl

Chances are they aren't wearing any low gear

[glacial flint]

even krit trinkets seems a thing on m+ ^^ ill checked 2x krit trinkets vs xalzaix / bwonsamdis .. feel no differenz defensivly

on 10-13 key intime

[sick sentinel]

It's also a playstyle u have to consider

Dps/crit trinkets leave u more open but let's u play and be aggressive

Where as defense trinkets are the opposite

[steel mauve]

It largely depends on the affixes too, i think last week marrok was using mythrax trinket and bandages, this week full dps trinkets

[sick sentinel]

Farming mythrax for that 385 and get urself the cheat death trinket

Fuck the bursting

[old zephyr]

No

Cheat death is crap

[sick sentinel]

U won't be saying that when u get 5 stacks and ur healer is a goldfish

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, just get mchimba's bandages, forget about bargain

Eye is still good, though

[old zephyr]

Bargain is like 6min CD...

[lavish oracle]

Right, that's why I said forget about it

[old zephyr]

You May as well go for à dps trinket, Will make you gain more time that you would have had without dying

Especially Since most dps trinket also give défensive benefits

[lavish oracle]

I was talking about for weeks where you would want survivability over DPS trinkets

forget about DPS trinkets for a second

Diamond, eye, and bandages are all good options

[old zephyr]

They are but bargain is not

[lavish oracle]

I agree

Bargain is bad

[oblique garnet]

Diamond is busted

Will be busted until it gets nerf

[old zephyr]

Any stats giving dps trink Will give you lore Damage reduction

[lavish oracle]

The fact that it scales with haste is absurd

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[old zephyr]

I haven't managed to get my6habd on one yet

[oblique garnet]

So does grong trinket

[lavish oracle]

How's the grong trinket for prot? haven't managed to pick one up yet

[old zephyr]

Grong Doesn't seems that Great, depending on how it scales with AoE

[steel mauve]

Grong trinket is decent

[oblique garnet]

It does absurd amount of st damage

And it scales with haste

[old zephyr]

75k on AoE Doesn't seems that absurd over the time of 2 claps

It good but i'll need more to be convinced

[oblique garnet]

ST

Not aoe

[old zephyr]

Isn't it Split among all targets ?

[silk mortar]

It does more damage if more targets are present i believe

[old zephyr]

Yeah but how does that scale ?

[warm plinth]

Deswind said it was decent at 4-6 targets but pretty meh past that

[old zephyr]

Clap is same Damage on all targets so on big pulls i'm afraid the6trinket is not that net gain

[patent flower]

What ability does prot reflect on 1st boss in underrot

[sick sentinel]

bolt

[old zephyr]

Blood Bolt

Reflect on add when add is there

[glacial flint]

is there a weakaura for m+ that tells what spell is reflectable?

[shut summit]

marok made one, has to have spells manually added but i think he got almost all of the important ones

is in the pins

[old zephyr]

As a rule of thumb if It's kickable 1nd targets you It's reflectable

Not 100% exact but mostly

[glacial flint]

@shut summit thx

[pseudo remnant]

Is there any specific method to dealing with magic damage in dungeons or should I just let the healer heal through it?

[formal vine]

question: Is briny barnacle any good for single target?

[potent anvil]

Outside of interrupts/stuns/cc? Just make sure you ignore pain the brunt of it. Roll defensives, etc. Otherwise, kite or rely on heals.

[old zephyr]

Reflect iq6good6vs magic even if6it6doesn't actually reflect

[potent anvil]

@formal vine It's not very good, imo. If it's your best trinket (ilvl wise) then maybe. But try to get rezan or gore-crusted, or even the alch trinket if you can instead.

[formal vine]

good to know, thx. going with Jess howler atm and barnacle since its 400

I do have the strength potion trinket from underrot 385, but 2 on use reeeeee

[potent anvil]

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of double on-use trinkets.

[oblique garnet]

@shut summit the weakaura marok made has all the boss abilities none of the trash abilities yet since he hasnt gotten around to do that yer

[undone sun]

Basic abilities like the average shadow bolt, of fireblasst isn't really necessary

[honest canopy]

Briny Burnacle

Looks ok, but I guess its deep shizzl

[tired cove]

Jaina trinket is a nice kite trinket

[spice musk]

finally got rezan trinket ilvl 400

[sick sentinel]

It's really nice

[broken moon]

I’ve become a meme in my guild

My dumb ass was confused as to why i was dying on grong

After intercepting my co-tank

After throw

The brain fart was too real

[undone sun]

🤦

[lusty grotto]

Oof

[broken moon]

The worst part was i was getting mad at my co-tank

[sick sentinel]

my friend had a very, very fun WM+10 with a prot warr tank

[broken moon]

“Why am i taking a melee hit, are you not taunting?!”

[lusty grotto]

I just fire up tree at around 25 stacks

And usually after the root

[zinc mauve]

every second root is the best time

[broken moon]

I took 55 stacks last night

[sick sentinel]

I do it once, when the boss is around 50%

[zinc mauve]

every third if it isnt tyrannical

[sick sentinel]

or when I have no more buttons to press

[warm plinth]

Tbf it was a PUG; I can't blame him for being overly cautious lol.

[sick sentinel]

every fire is just way too much

[lusty grotto]

Tyr @ 25 stacks is fine for the most part

[sick sentinel]

for a +10 especially

[zinc mauve]

unless your healer is braindead, throwing it into every fire on a high enough key will actually kill your group faster

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[warm plinth]

I'm not defending him at all; that is obviously way too much. But I can't blame anyone for doing the one pack at a time thing

in a PUG*

[broken moon]

I literally told the MW not to bubble me unless i actually asked for it, +10 at 55 stacks. Didn’t even run him through fire

[zinc mauve]

oh you're referring him to one pack at a time

yeah thats understandable at least

[lusty grotto]

Yeah but no doubles or triples with these affixes is kinda dumb

[sick sentinel]

well they still timed it

because they had insane amounts of damage

[warm plinth]

Hey in a PUG, a timed dungeon is a win

[lusty grotto]

Well it's not like it's impossible to time with pugs

[broken moon]

It’s honestly between the healer+tank at that point

[warm plinth]

Not at all. But there's almost always doubt when you're starting the key lol

[lusty grotto]

Eh

[broken moon]

That’s why i try to go into pugs with a healer i know

[warm plinth]

My PUG experience is key drops "Well, hopefully we can at least finish it before the sun goes down"

[broken moon]

Cuz they know I’m pulling the whole room

And they know I’m not slowing down

[lusty grotto]

Mmhmm

[daring marlin]

I reset tree boss once on the 13 I did

[warm plinth]

I feel like blizzard purposely never puts rings with haste as WQ rewards. It's always shittier stat combos.

[daring marlin]

warriors too good for that guy

[zinc mauve]

yesterday i got TP'd down a floor while killing the worgen boss in tol dagor, reset it right after we used lust

some random ranged mob was smacking me from down there

[cinder pasture]

Yea I've had that happen aswell

[lusty grotto]

Yeah TD is fucked on that boss, ask Late lul

[willow dirge]

@lusty grotto I refuse to run a PUG timed unless I bring my healslut. I hate wasting a key

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[supple path]

New rule - if a moonkin in your group criticizes how squishy you are but is NOT running force of nature, they should be eaten by rats.

[lusty grotto]

Yeah just kick

[supple path]

Though man, I always forget how annoying it is to hold threat off dps who outgear you badly.

Stupid mages with their 250k threat nuke.

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[spice musk]

Nice to see that Method has a Prot Warrior in for Jaina x=

[lusty grotto]

They would be retarded if they didn't

[olive lotus]

Need some help with offensive/defensive trinket arrangements. 400 alchemist Stone, 395 Rezans, 395 jes howler, 380 vial of animates blood

[marble wave]

385 piece with bom or 400 without bom (revenge\ss trait) for m+?

[lusty grotto]

Ilvl > all

That should answer your question

@olive lotus alch + rezan for both

[olive lotus]

Ok just wasn’t sure if we wanted an on use trinket for avatar during reaping

Both alch and Rezan aren’t on use obviously

[outer dew]

Depends

Vial does has its use

Sinking CDs on large pulls will give you hella valuen

[nova gale]

Guys

Beware the third boss on King Rest

https://clips.twitch.tv/BraveGorgeousDuckOMGScoots

He will make you do some funky charges

[olive lotus]

That’s why I brought up the question. I can see value in multiple combinations

[lusty grotto]

That has happened since expansion went live though

380 vial though

Way too low ilvl compared to the others

So I wouldn't use it over a 395 rezan

Doesn't matter if you don't have on use, the proc is good

[outer dew]

It'll drop your overall but bump up your burst for certain pulle

It isn't miserable

But you have to be thinking about when you need it

[lusty grotto]

Eh, I mean he can easily farm for a higher ilvl vial

I guess it could be OK for reaps

[outer dew]

Doesn't even have to be for reps

Guaranteeing a certain pack dies before you run out of cds is huge too

[soft delta]

Would you replace top for the 390 one ?

[warm plinth]

Uh, in a heartbeat.

[soft delta]

doesnt matter if i lost like 6-7% of haste ?

[warm plinth]

Nope. That's a huge stat increase.

[fossil heron]

checked pins, any guideline to what azerite traits to pick as prot?

[warm plinth]

The icy-veins guide has an entire section dedicated to azerite traits.

[steel mauve]

you would replace it with a 10 ilvl increase, 40 ilvls is an easy choice

[marble wave]

@lusty grotto even if im have enough survivability losing bom for higher ilvl piece worth it? lowered dps, nope?

[sick sentinel]

what can be done about the 30 second stun from bobby in tol dagor?

i had to sit through the whole thing and so we wiped

[lusty grotto]

@marble wave youre overvaluing BoM over str gains

[marble wave]

@lusty grotto just based on some discord suggestions 😉 anyway we farm 10+ keys, and pull from avatar to avatar

[lusty grotto]

That's 15 ilvls of str

Eh?

But why

AM is a thing, you're not using rage if you're waiting on avatar cd

Therefore not reducing its CD with rage use via AM

@sick sentinel you dps him, then interrupt when his stun becomes interruptable

[primal crypt]

BOM FOR LIFE

🍆 🍆 🍆 🍆

Glickwarr representing us boys

In that #1 spot

[warm plinth]

Not just #1 but 6 out of the top 10 too 😮

[primal crypt]

Yupppp

Gotta get it in while everyone is stuck at 8/9

What a bunch of nerds going for world first lawl

[warm plinth]

Right lol

[primal crypt]

Coyld be pushing keys instead lol

Im so jealous of them :(

[warm plinth]

It's like they're thinking they get paid for raiding or something 😏

[primal crypt]

Really happy though that Method is using warrior for prog

[warm plinth]

Sco is still gonna rank us #5 or #6 though 😏

[sick sentinel]

Limit is apparently using prot warr too

[warm plinth]

Wouldn't it be kinda silly not to since about half her damage is blockable?

[primal crypt]

Yup

[graceful sundial]

quick question about champions of the light on mythic: can I spell reflect when the the prayer of the fallen cast finishes so I drop the stacks from boss?

[sick sentinel]

yes

Is there somewhere in the sticky that talks about ring ilvls needed before upgrade for bad stats?

[warm plinth]

We don't really have bad stats. Ilevel>all. Only thing you drop ring ilevel for is a socket.

[sick sentinel]

OK great, thank you!

[proper lichen]

A 400 ilvl Servant Splitter dropped and my current wep is 385. Is the str/dps/stamina upgrade worth losing 70 haste/50 crit? I know that ilvl is king, but the splitter has no secondary stats.

[daring marlin]

Higher weapon damage=higher IPs

also more str/stam

[proper lichen]

Nice then, tnx

[primal crypt]

What guilly said

The servant splitter does pretty decent dmg

[dim blaze]

pretty solid

[vast raft]

is maghar ok for tank ? or is there a race that is far ahed from others ?

[warm plinth]

pretty solid

No races are far ahead of others

[vast raft]

okay so i can just take what looks the coolest thx 😄

[steel mauve]

servent splitter is ass for dmg, the proc is so low that its pretty bad, but a higher ilvl one is more stam plus the wpn dps for ip

[outer dew]

Wdym

NE is master race

[warm plinth]

Well, he's obviously not alliance if he's asking about mag'har.

[vast raft]

yeah horde forever 😄

[daring marlin]

NEs are trash

ugly af males

[sleek raptor]

there are NE males? D:

[stiff gate]

every time i have to heal a pug warrior tank

https://gyazo.com/7791350b7f072f4e7c5507fb6e302d7f

and its just this

whyyyy

[undone sun]

yikes

[lucid kelp]

i mean...

at least he doesn't have ravager?

[lavish oracle]

This is the "hasn't played prot since 7.1" build

[knotty dove]

Hey guys how shit is Mchimba's ritual bandages? i forgot to change loot spec and it forgot to 415..

[summer kestrel]

What the hell

Watching sense clear of boralus

Horde doesn't have to deal with any difficult mob in boralus for the first part

No bombers, no bladestorms assholes, no feral rush

[sweet kettle]

the "shitshow" for horde starts a bit later

[cosmic oasis]

Alliance just jumps down to the horde part too

[summer kestrel]

Thats just the route

Mobs ain't the same

[cosmic oasis]

True

[sweet kettle]

horde favoritism KAPPA

[broken moon]

quick nav/verse nav????

[undone sun]

quick nav

[timid jay]

Quik maffs

[unborn elbow]

is the prot warrior dps guide in pinned?

[undone sun]

#268491842637660160

[unborn elbow]

want to level prot

[undone sun]

also why ask if it's pinned when you can check the pins faster than an answer would appear

🤔

[plucky grotto]

okej people i gotta ask the fellow prot warriors.. started to tank again in m+ and dont see a problem at all.. only problem i have is paladins idk why but feels like they cant heal at all, anyone els feel the same?

[broken moon]

quick i need M grong tips!

❤

[plucky grotto]

tank n spank!

[broken kite]

call for cd on throw

[blazing prism]

can SR the dot throw applies makes it much less monkas

just dont get thrown with 2 bleeds and no CD basically and ur gucci

[unborn bloom]

Quick Question why do we stack BoM i know why we grab it for M+ but i would like to know why we stack ?

[broken moon]

mastery increase, i guess?

[steel mauve]

the mastery stacks, which is a fuck ton of crit block and dps

its basically only stacked in m+ though, for raids its near the bottom of our other prot specific traits

[unborn bloom]

Yeah i guessed that Cheers 😃

So only use BoM in M+ then switch it around for Raids

[steel mauve]

min maxing i guess but idk if i would keep paying to continually switch them around, either get 2 sets or just keep one i guess, idk how much it gets up to but i think that gets expensive

[silk moat]

I’m NE make war

Male

[royal lodge]

Thoughts on Jes' Howler trinket?

[silk moat]

Good

Has anyone run siege of boralus with these affixes ?

[tawny light]

hast/mast 395 boots or crit/mast 400 boots?

[silk moat]

Probably 400 boots. Crit mast are not bad and base stats probably worth the upgrade

[hushed cobalt]

gimme that sweet sweet lowdown, 390 rezans (prob default), 400 vial of blood(i like 81k IP), 400 jes howlers, then 385 anicent knot

[soft delta]

yey

[slate perch]

im trying out prot real quick to help a friend with m+, what is the preferred 1h enchant atm

[zinc mauve]

quick nav

the haste enchant

[broken moon]

serious question

is it bad if dps are below me on rastakan

[jade socket]

I think you know the answer to that

[old night]

@inner onyx snagged it! Thanks man 😃

[hexed falcon]

so how good/bad is servant splitter?

any like good to know tanking tips in general with prot?

[shut sun]

you will probably outdps the dps on trash

[lucid glen]

Is Jes' howler trinket worth using on prot over a dps trinket?

[random finch]

Depends what dps trinket your talking about in general most likely the extra vers is nothing to sneeze about

I use a 390 dooms fury and bwonsamdi trinket and switch out dooms fury to jes howler for raids or dungeons that have a good amount of magic damage

@lucid glen

[true plover]

405 on use mastery trinket w/ str, 400 alc stone, or 395 jes howler?

[hexed falcon]

im litreally using fathoms and 370 blood syringe

i need gear bead

bad

[true plover]

Which 2 for m+?

[open bluff]

Bwonsamdi's

that trinket is never the answer

[lavish oracle]

I'd go with Stone and Feather, @true plover

the one minute CD lines up better with avatar than Jes'

[random finch]

Why do you think that @open bluff

[mild bough]

Does Jaina do any physical attacks or can we just use IP when tanking her?

[serene stag]

iirc most of her abilties are counted as physical

she has AA's too.

[mild bough]

Ok thanks

[undone sun]

she does melee occasionally, but her ice shard is physical and blockable

also in the spreadsheet in #268491842637660160

[open bluff]

because it's a shit proc that also places a 60% healing absorb on you, causing healers to spend more mana to get you to a point where you're not going to instantly die again after it procs

[drowsy relic]

is it bad to stack DC trait?

it says its bad on the icyveins guide but sense reccomends multiple DC traits

[solemn magnet]

Are Prot Warriors in a better place than Blood dks ?

[drowsy relic]

no

[old night]

too much haste to sacrifice by going 400/405?

ther vers on it is sexy af tho

[ionic scarab]

just hit 120 on my warrior and gearing him up. Any suggestions? Icy Veins a good place to look at?

[solemn magnet]

lol anything besides just a no shawrus? lol

[old night]

stats for relevance

[echo acorn]

I am dumb and can't read, disregard

[little rain]

Yeet

[hexed falcon]

u uh

play this game a little to much

[thin turret]

more like he won the titanforge lottery

[quiet crane]

@solemn magnet don’t listen to such a stupid comment, blood DKs are protvare both viable in their own right and strong at what they do, prot is arguably the strongest tank in regards to what it’s meant to do such as block physical attacks where BDK may pull ahead in situations such as magic

[sick sentinel]

@unborn bloom with 3 BoMs, avatar becomes another defensive cd eventually

Also you do ludicrous amounts of aoe damage with it

[unborn bloom]

Cheers @sick sentinel Trying to figure out best traits for M+ then Raiding before i hit 120 so i know what peices to farm for i know i need 1 DC

[lavish oracle]

viable

Never thought I'd see the day someone asked for a warrior tank specifically

[willow dirge]

YUS

[supple path]

It's beautiful.

[sick sentinel]

I do only m+ as prot ( I raid as fury) and if a piece does not have BoM on it, I don't equip it

[supple path]

Down to 0 BoM right now, be an ilvl loss in all slots. feels bad.

[sick sentinel]

@lavish oracle this was 6th of january

[lavish oracle]

Noice

Limit still hasn't killed jaina yet, huh?

[undone sun]

https://raider.io/battle-of-dazaralor/world-first-race

[lavish oracle]

It was more rhetorical, I know they haven't

like "Wow, Limit hasn't killed Jaina yet"

I mostly just want someone to kill her so I can stop paying attention to the World First race

[undone sun]

Not like you're being forced to pay attention to it

[lavish oracle]

Sco is at my house and he has a gun

It's just sunk cost at this point

too invested to stop paying attention

And also he'll shoot me if I don't watch the Method streams

[undone sun]

Easy way out

[lavish oracle]

lol

[dim blaze]

I'm getting trucked by 3rd boss in Waycrest. Any tips? 13 key and we wiped 2x then finally took the buff. Til then no deaths in the run

[rough egret]

which boss is 3rd?

[dim blaze]

lord and lady

sorry 4th

[rough egret]

thats 4th

😃

[formal vine]

You can spell reflect the dot he puts on you

[dim blaze]

when do you put up SR to reflect it?

right as he's doing the strike?

[formal vine]

I do it right before he casts it, use dbm for that

[dim blaze]

i'll try that

[formal vine]

That makes the damage intake so much more takeable

[sick sentinel]

you spell reflect every other wasting strike

pop a cd or external inbetween

[formal vine]

Once both are up, focus down Lord Waycrest

[undone sun]

I'm sure the SR WA would show it, since it is a boss abililty

[dim blaze]

It was the wasting strikes

that's what was trucking me

so that's really helpful

[fringe marten]

i know there's still some growing room to see new classes with stacked new traits; but I'm legit concerned that once warrior gets in a good spot people start asking questions like "What do you mean 1600+ extra mastery during avatar..why do you take no damage? why do you crit block 65+% of the time during avatar.. wait a minute there's too much synergy here.."

Warriors don't get to have 80% of an entire expansion being the top tank that's near invincible (legion/bears) Once we actually get good; we get nerfed.

[ember crest]

whew lad that opulence trinket is nutso on the healing

i think if we were gonna save rolls for anything it should be that trinket

[sick sentinel]

it's really really good

[honest canopy]

hM

Finally crafted my 385 Engi googles

anyone know wich of the traits in the 2nd row

[ocean acorn]

we just want ilvl right

[honest canopy]

I should pick? 🤔

We just want ilvl right yes

[warm plinth]

What are the options @honest canopy ?

[honest canopy]

Barrage of Many Bombs

Pyrosaw

Spark Cap

Relational Gizmo

Aka Engi specific

I have tried to google to find out wich one is the best but I fail to find it

I will craft teh 400 onve i have the emplusions and then the 415 as well but heya

Need smt now 😄

[warm plinth]

Probably the gizmo one

[pearl dew]

Spark cap or relation gizmo are fine. 5% DR on aoe helps, the mainstat/move speed/haste from the relational gizmo has ~20% uptime overall, at least for me. About the same uptime either way.

[honest canopy]

Ah, Thanks

Can you stack Ablative shielding?

Or you just want one of them?

[warm plinth]

The armor stacks, yes

[sick sentinel]

Gismo

it's the best option every time

[honest canopy]

😃

Thanks a lot.

Hm, just need 3 more explusons to craft the 400

Btw

https://www.wowhead.com/item=159619/briny-barnacle&bonus=4777:1512

Gr8 @fierce juniper Dont rate it at all in his excellent guide

[warm plinth]

Typically if trinkets aren't mentioned in guides, they're not great

[honest canopy]

Scraping it then

[undone sun]

it was alright from personal experience, but that was somewhat early bfa ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest canopy]

Oh,

could scrap my alch stone trinket

got all expulsions back

now i just need 82 more bwosandis breath and i got the 415

[warm plinth]

💪

[autumn cosmos]

why is justwait using a warrior on jaina btw

what does it bring to that fight?

[undone sun]

old news

blocking main attack

[autumn cosmos]

what do you mean old news

im asking

lol

[warm plinth]

Blocking 50% of the damage

[autumn cosmos]

aight, thank you

"old news"

lmao

[bold marten]

Hey guys! I'm totally new to Prot-tanking in M+, what is important to know? for example is the uptime of shieldblock less important than the uptime of IP? Or should i still prefer shieldblock over IP?

[sick sentinel]

Always prefer shieldblock over IP except if there is nothing blockable

it would be better if you and check the guides and the FaQ in #268491842637660160 and ask any more questions after you are done with those

[bold marten]

Already read the guide on icy-veins :) But the guide seemed to be much more interesting for raiding than for M+, where magic damage is far more frequent.

[final mist]

Melee damage will actually be the most prevalent damage by far in M+.

[sick sentinel]

magic damage in mplus is enough that interrupts, stuns and spell reflect can deal with it

[final mist]

General IP usage will cover most of the magic damage. Don't bother to save your CDs either.

Get the SR WA that Marok made as well, to know when to Reflect spells, it's incredibly useful to know what you can and can't reflect.

[bold marten]

thx👍

I will change my rotation and use the WA. We will see how it will work out with some practice.

Still one last question: Can I track my absorbed DPS with details?

[sick sentinel]

from IP?

[bold marten]

yes or Damage which got reduced by block

[final mist]

You can see how much damage was prevented in the Damage Prevented tab. Or go to the Damage Taken tab and click your own name to see a total breakdown of everything, but it won't show DPS.

[bold marten]

I would like to measure somehow my improvement

ok

[vocal nimbus]

You can check the length of the fight and do the math yourself i guess

Total damage prevented / total seconds of the encounter

[round vortex]

Pog!

[sick sentinel]

Big

[candid path]

Pretty nice.

[formal vine]

jelly

[round vortex]

❤

[sick sentinel]

yo u guys have the same problem to get invitet to +10 keys?

got flamed with nice meme tank class -.-'

[oblique garnet]

No cant remember the last time i got declined to +10

[round vortex]

i got declined to a bunch of +9's today because i have 500 IO score

im like "i only run AD and TD" hence shit score. they wouldn't even check my IO lol

[summer kestrel]

Well

500 is very low

[native bear]

you only need to 2 chest all dungeons on 9

and you get very close to 1000

doing it once for that is worth

[sick sentinel]

imagine calling prot warr a meme class

in 2019

[honest canopy]

Derp

I get carried away and mess my traits up

I cannot decide what to pick and end up with DC in all three items

Some say its better just get 1 DC and rest in any other

Etc etc

[sick sentinel]

You only Need one dc

more than that is just more damage

Not as much as bom ofc

[nova gale]

How is the Apotecary's Concotions trait?

[sick sentinel]

They call you meme class untill you totally destroy them all on dps

[unborn island]

is the rule on rings still ilvl?

or is it a case of certain number of ilvl > specific stats?

360 Haste/Mastery vs 385 Mast/vers

[little hawk]

More stats is better in general. So ilvl>soecific stats

Specific*

[unborn island]

yeah, knew that worked for armour where it has STR too, wasn't sure on rings

gu3ess it isn't crit at least 😃

[wide pebble]

quick question, are there still tank training dummies somewhere?

nvm found it

[hidden oyster]

can someone give me a rundown of when to take bloodsport and when to take other traits? in my case it's up against Bastion of Might

should preface this by saying I already have BoM once and no bloodsport atm

[tired cove]

bloodsport is good for magic dungeons

like ML last boss

and shrine

and kr

and only trait you want 1 of is DC

[arctic frigate]

What is the best way to drop the stacks of sacred blade at first boss? Leap at a specific time or spell reflect? Or simply wait?

[thin ore]

Why is callous reprisal apparently really bad?

[sick sentinel]

it is bad in raids but not THAT bad in mplus

it is still better than any general trait

[silk moat]

It’s bad because revenge as an ability is MEHHHH

[tired cove]

viking spell reflect during wave cast

[oblique garnet]

Doesnt work

?

Wasnt that the one thing they fixed

[arctic frigate]

Thx @tired cove 👌

[sick sentinel]

@hidden oyster if you are doing mplus you get as many BoMs as possible

ideally 3

you take BS over BoM if you are mainly progression raiding but other than that it is case by case basis and what you want to do

every other prot trait gives us a bunch of damage and BS gives none

[hidden oyster]

cheers 👍

[analog swift]

Hey guys I assume bloodmallet sims for deafening crash are off because it acts like it stacks fully

Which can’t be true

[sick sentinel]

we have bloodmallet sims?

shit we do

it doesn't tho

first trait has double the value of subsequent ones

[analog swift]

What the fuck am I smoking

[sick sentinel]

idk send me some

[analog swift]

Oh I was looking at hectic add cleave where it looks much closer

Surprised it’s only slightly ahead of blight borne infusion

[sick sentinel]

I focus on dps on keys, but still value some good defense and choose the prot traits over general traits

because they give both

[grizzled steeple]

Does anyone have a WA to track Rezan's procc?

[sick sentinel]

the trinket?

[grizzled steeple]

yes

[sick sentinel]

I think making one is pretty easy

[grizzled steeple]

Most likely, will give it a try, just figured I'd check here first

[rapid tide]

Can just go through the guided process

Should be there tbh

[rough egret]

Whats the point to have a WA for it?

[sick sentinel]

to track it I guess

[rough egret]

🤔

Its matter of preference

Like knowing that it proc will change noth8ng

[sick sentinel]

it will not

[grizzled steeple]

I just like to know when trinkets procc, nothing major really, just the way I like to play

[sick sentinel]

I'm a bit bored of my Mag'har Warrior... what's a good race for prot? :P (animations/transmog etc..)

[broken roost]

Highmountain tauren with the biggest antlers

[sick sentinel]

IMO the antlers kinda ruin most transmog though :(

[oblique garnet]

No dont do that to yourself

[broken roost]

But try not to do TD because you take up half your screen

[oblique garnet]

Playing tauren is horrible

[sick sentinel]

TD?

[broken roost]

Tol Dagor

[sick sentinel]

start using toys

[oblique garnet]

Cant see half of the shit in the ground

[sick sentinel]

Ah.

and the thing that swaps your appearance with somebody elses

before we start the key, I see somebody with a tmog I like and I yoink it

[broken roost]

The highmountain vintage armor is decent, and I like the Blackrock set too

[sick sentinel]

brf tmog is so done already