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#protection
modern brook
lusty grotto
but hey we get to drink while we work
modern brook
im so fucking burned out
I only logged like 2 hours of my day
because the rest of it was fucking meetings
and im like
final mist
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lusty grotto
lol meetings
final mist
This is for Protection discussion, not a hang-out lounge.
lusty grotto
but its friday!
modern brook
โฃ nim no
final mist
Go spend freiday in #off-topic
lusty grotto
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uneven mason
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lusty grotto
is meme hour gone?
uneven mason
It was a short term thing during prepatch I think Nim
No more MEME, Warriors are meta again, we've gotta be presentable
uneven mason
Lest we fall into the same trap that the paladin discord did
modern brook
:yikes:
To answer your question in a nutshell Nikk
NE; DID; KT have the most relevent racials
otherwise go by look
uneven mason
Normal Dwarf as well
uneven mason
basically DID but you get a mitigation kick
modern brook
On horde
lusty grotto
oh right stoneform
modern brook
BAsically just go BElf
uneven mason
upright tho right?
modern brook
i swap depending on mog
lusty grotto
no hunched female model feelsbadman
modern brook
if i want to be a ๐ or a ๐ต
lusty grotto
i should xmog as a doctor, and just randomly whisper hunched orcs about their back condition
nvm that's totally RP
not gonna happen
modern brook
But i dont imagine it being better than stronger avatars + crit block
modern brook
I think diamon is one of the better tanking trinkets
that is to say i think diamond is one of 3 useable tanking trinkets
lusty grotto
390 brine though
modern brook
I think 1min CD trinkets are really good with warrior in general
lusty grotto
might be better brine + diamond
modern brook
for damage go Brine + mastery
modern brook
I dont think the 14 str makes up no 2ndaries; from a pure ilvl pov
lusty grotto
brine diamond for raids
oh
i totally thought that was lower ilvl
yeah you're right bull
brine mastery trinket for sure
modern brook
313 vs 327 str
lusty grotto
its so bad looking at full screenshots
twin iris
my b
lusty grotto
windowskey + shift + s is your friend
modern brook
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modern brook
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lusty grotto
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sand egret
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lusty grotto
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undone sun
hmmmm
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto thyme doesn't know lul
lusty grotto
heh heh
hey thyme what was that warrior from exorsus called that was active in the channel in legion
undone sun
morana
undone sun
possibly, haven't seen him in a while
lusty grotto
i dont really follow WF guilds that much, but i havent seen exorsus do anything this expansion
sick sentinel
They got like 6 new players on their roster
lusty grotto
oh exorsus is in the race
sick sentinel
They're world 4 right now at 8/9
lusty grotto
ejsus
sick sentinel
But I wouldn't say they're in the race
lusty grotto
well they are 8/9 so technically they are
lusty grotto
traitor
sick sentinel
Can't root for the home team, that's cheating
lusty grotto
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sick sentinel
Can't even stream fuck
lusty grotto
yikes exorsus was 3rd on uldir
jesus im a moron
yeah i dont really follow the race heh
sand egret
the problem with these wf races is that after a certain point it's just like ๐ . After watching the 100th pull, it just really doesn't grab your attention
lusty grotto
i admit ive never even watched the streams for it
modern brook
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undone sun
that's one reason i don't watch the streams
modern brook
you dont watch marathon streams for the marathon
sick sentinel
Josh's stream was really cool when he was playing bones
undone sun
the entertainment value plateaus very quickly, so i just catch highlights
modern brook
its for twitch chat and to say "poggers i was there when X happened"
sick sentinel
But then he put his shitty EDM back on
modern brook
see Mario speed runners etc
sand egret
i watched it a bit and it was interesting seeing the fights and how they worked through it, but yeah after a certain point its like /shrug
lusty grotto
i occasionally catch jtdubs or whatever his name in on stream
when im bored
but that's M+
sick sentinel
If method lose this race it's because their brand is more important to them than the race
warm plinth
Why do you say that?
sand egret
i mean it should be more important lol
lusty grotto
yeah the druid
sick sentinel
They 3tanked with Sco for like 6 hours
I guarantee you several people knew how fucking mongo that was
lusty grotto
ok explain further
sick sentinel
And who wants to bench the gm with 20k viewers
They 3tanked mekkatorque until limit killed stormwall
And then they went double blood dk, benched sco, brought fleks in
Not to mention they also wasted 2 fucking hours because they forgot being shrunk reduces your damage dealt by 99%
sand egret
and yet they're still this close
warm plinth
Not really sure how that says anything about their brand though
sick sentinel
Sco is their brand
sand egret
lol no
lusty grotto
i dont know about that
lusty grotto
but let me just say
sick sentinel
You're free to disagree
lusty grotto
if they do consider sco = method
sand egret
they could literally not be IN the race
lusty grotto
they are fucking retarded
sick sentinel
Heavy disagree
sand egret
it's just way bigger than this now
lusty grotto
just to be clear, you think people follow method because of sco?
sand egret
which you're conflating imho
sick sentinel
Wow is still their biggest market
@lusty grotto no
I think he's the public face of method and him not being in the instance isn't entertaining
lusty grotto
well
undone sun
big disagree
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say hes the big entertaining part of method though
sick sentinel
Is they just made a retarded decision to 3tank
And it has nothing to do with anything else
sand egret
still don't think it's a brand thing tho
lusty grotto
its likely that they didnt want to tell sco to sit his ass down
sick sentinel
That's what I just said lul
undone sun
they already had sco sit for a boss
lusty grotto
but that's not brand, that's just internal politics
lusty grotto
that's what he should have done from the start
sick sentinel
Ya
3tanking that fight is stupid
Losing 15k dps
But the real killer was losing like 70k at almost all times
Because they forgot shrink
lusty grotto
that's weird
sick sentinel
It isn't really
lusty grotto
"forgot" sounds like an excuse
sick sentinel
They were up ridiculously late
sick sentinel
Most members only had like 4h of sleep or less
They forgot it reduced your damage
They didn't forget it existed
undone sun
im well aware of the situation
that's still forgetting aobut the debuff
what the debuff does
sand egret
i'm highly doubtful of that circumstance as well
lusty grotto
yeah
sick sentinel
They ignored bots until they didn't and got the kill
undone sun
it's an excuse for bad play
sick sentinel
I feel like they wouldn't stall for 2 hours for fun
How is it an excuse
Forgetting the debuff IS bad play
lusty grotto
its an oversight that a wf guild and enterprise shouldn't be making
lusty grotto
they have 20 people, none of them cared to mention that mistake early on?
lusty grotto
i think the most acceptable thing is they were behind because they are EU
that's fine
if they were trying to rush
sick sentinel
That has no relation to time spent on a boss
lusty grotto
it's likely that could factor heavily into bad play
sick sentinel
Method does not care about the technical world first
lusty grotto
but it's still bad play
sick sentinel
I agree
I just don't think it's implausible
Xerwo for ex got 3 hours or so of sleep
Sco4
lusty grotto
ok, i do agree with that
sick sentinel
At most every single raider could have gotten 6
lavish oracle
Depends on the person
lusty grotto
granted i sleep like 10 on weekends lul
sick sentinel
I sleep 6 hours and I fall asleep in class
That's why I started scheduling them earlier
lusty grotto
ok but
undone sun
can definitely train to have less required sleep, some people are also born with less need for sleep
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sick sentinel
And I don't have 16 straight hours of class my dude
warm plinth
That's your personal experience though. I sleep 6ish hours a day every day and I do just fine.
lusty grotto
here's the thing, the WF race is something they were looking forward to
sick sentinel
Are you really doing this when I'm saying "it's plausible method is tired"
Is this the hill you're choosing to die on
stark sage
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warm plinth
Who said it wasn't plausible? I'm merely saying that your personal experience isn't everyone's lol.
sand egret
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sick sentinel
"I do just fine compared to raiders I've never been even near in progress"
warm plinth
Calm down lol. Literally not that serious.
sick sentinel
I wasn't even the one who brought up personal experience in the first place
It was a counter example
lusty grotto
weep
do you think if they had slept 2 more hours they would be in a better position now?
warm plinth
You literally said that you disagreed that 6 hours of sleep was enough and then stated why as a personal experience smh
sick sentinel
I literally have no clue and that isn't my point
lusty grotto
at least scratch that out of the list
sick sentinel
I don't think 6 hours is enough for 16h straight world first raiding, no
But sco was the one who brought it up as their biggest mistake
lusty grotto
that's true
sick sentinel
So take it up with him
warm plinth
No one is taking anything up with them (or even interested in doing so) lol. I think you're the only one taking their progress personally here.
sick sentinel
(biggest/first, one of those words)
I'm no
I said it's plausible they forgot something because they're tired
That's how this argument started
And the response was "there's no way method would ever forget that"
I have no clue why or if
But I'm also not them
warm plinth
Yeah, we'll never know for sure probably
sick sentinel
I do not raid 16 hours a day
I raided 4 hours a day 2 days a week and got burnt out
stark sage
its a very basic thing for 20 people to forget for several hours ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
lusty grotto
I think it's likely
stark sage
but its not hard to train yourself to be aware for a 16 hour block with only 6 hours of sleep, i think tiredness due to lack of sleep is pretty low on the list of causes, maybe they just got into a routine and didnt even consider something so basic was the issue
sick sentinel
2 days in Josh still opens his dungeon journal occasionally during jaina prog
lusty grotto
But still weird
sick sentinel
I don't have a formal opinion
undone sun
100% there are
sick sentinel
Sco stated directly that their first problem was not getting a good night's sleep
I am only listing it as probable cause
stark sage
thats kind of deflecting from the fact that the mistake was laughable
sick sentinel
I again have no opinion on the mistake itself
lusty grotto
Yeah keladan
stark sage
right i mean sco is deflecting by blaming tirednees
stark sage
doesnt want to be outed as a dumb idiot
lusty grotto
It's believable
stark sage
id rather trust my own brain
sick sentinel
I have no opinion cuz I don't raid at a world first level
I'd like to think I wouldn't forget
But I have no clue what I'd do in that situation
stark sage
well we play at a lower level, and i didnt forget /shrug
sick sentinel
I think another thing that's likely is that they forgot about the debuff and assumed it was other things
But they also kept sco in for 6 hours, so nobody knows
They're still figuring out a comp for jaina as well
lusty grotto
Weep I'm hurt
stark sage
there is probably a bit of heat internally because limit had such a huge lead, i would be tilted if another guild took like half the time to kill a boss we were hving trouble with
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto limit just banned me again I'm sorry
lusty grotto
You choose lord sco over me :, (
sick sentinel
I can't say I raid wf
lusty grotto
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sick sentinel
I got banned by max for defending sco
vocal nimbus
@lusty grotto @undone sun they are doing jaina with 2 bdks and morana is one of them
undone sun
oh nice
vocal nimbus
these guys have everything
sick sentinel
And then I'll yell at them for mekkatorque
vocal nimbus
they arent one thing
lusty grotto
I know
lusty grotto
Me joking
lavish oracle
Limit payed $20000 for 400 gear?
lusty grotto
I don't think that's surprising
lavish oracle
I don't even think it was actually that much it was like 11 million gold
lusty grotto
If they have the funds
vocal nimbus
that people have infinite gold
lavish oracle
I was just memeing
sick sentinel
1 token on na is 114k
lusty grotto
Oh lol
vocal nimbus
@timid jay ๐
sick sentinel
It would be approximately 15k
sick sentinel
Jaina stacks just look overtuned
jade socket
it wasnt nearly that much in gold/dollars btw
sick sentinel
It was like 9k
final mist
They used gold, according to Max, and the amount was less than what an Uldir carry was.
jade socket
even if they did 90 toons
final mist
I'm sure it was a drop in a bucket for them.
fast knot
They are still in the green
sick sentinel
They did 51
jade socket
so even less
sick sentinel
And it wasn't less than an uldir carry iirc
They just stated that's where most of their money came from
undone sun
faction change $30
51 * 30 is 1500
so there and back is at most 3000 if they transferred 51
stark sage
3k usd, in tokens that is what like 18m?
final mist
undone sun
ez
final mist
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undone sun
10-15m
pulsar canopy
sounds like they spent 9k sal
final mist
Here I was thinking someone claiming to be raiding in Limit would know what they were doing
Idk
undone sun
gold to usd would be around 2500
sick sentinel
3 uldir carries lol no even 4
undone sun
click bait videos
sick sentinel
Tbh I just said 6k
sick sentinel
And I knew it was in gold
final mist
It's alright to be wrong, don't be mad at me because you were
sick sentinel
I'm mad at you because you were
pulsar canopy
6k btw
undone sun
6k head
jade socket
that math is still flawed btw
final mist
Regardless of who's math is wrong and who raids where, this isn't really related to Prot at all
So take this to #off-topic
sick sentinel
most stuff weep says is wrong tbf
undone sun
big surprise
timber nest
thoughts?
stark sage
405
brisk ferry
Keep your 400s though, they're crafted that can go up to 415 right?
sick sentinel
ilvl always yeah
sand egret
did you change your name AGAIN?
sick sentinel
yes fuck you
lavish oracle
Gotcha, have socketed 395 legs vs. unsocket 400s, I'll honestly probably just equip the 400 to boost my equipped ilvl because I'm shallow
sand egret
i can't keep up with this
fast knot
Dungeon rewards that are gear roll mythic level
lavish oracle
Gross, how do you still have a 340 shield D:
warm plinth
I didn't start trying to gear my war until the last few days
lavish oracle
Oh, fair
warm plinth
He's only 360 ilevel atm
warm plinth
I know right, so cuuuute
If I get this shield, I'll be like an adolescent. Still not a big boy though ๐ข
neon tangle
Go rub some m+!
lavish oracle
That's one of the stages of puberty, your shield gets bigger
neon tangle
Free week
warm plinth
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neon tangle
Iโm mass pulling like crazy this week
sand egret
at least you can get to 42.5% so you can throw around dumb phrases like "im soft capped on block"
love that one
nocturne plover
Mass pulls this week for sure
lavish oracle
Indom is on the same tier as bolster right?
sick sentinel
I just got a 405 atal shield : D
sand egret
yar
lavish oracle
oh no
sand egret
yep.
nocturne plover
My shield broke In a TD 10 before Jes, we killed Jes and went outside and I had no shield
Til then
๐
tropic star
i got lucky and got shield of first champion mythic kill
lavish oracle
Jealous
sick sentinel
actualy huge
lavish oracle
I had to reroll like 6 times just to get the heroic shield
sand egret
yeah man, I did that in FH and realized by the end of my run that my shield was about to break. This week is expensive
sand egret
wtb a blacksmithing enchant on shields to reduce durability hits on blocks
nocturne plover
Ignore pain spam inc
stark sage
@lavish oracle if bolster wasnt so imbalanced, indom isnt as bad as it looks
but yeah its nothing compared to bolster
lavish oracle
Yeah, that's the problem with a lot of our talent tiers
Indom is kind've just a badly designed talent anyways
stark sage
i dont think its badly designed, its simple and doesnt fit into our cookie cutter build so its left out
lavish oracle
If a flat health boost is ever the best talent on the row, you have a problem
It's just boring
stark sage
yeah it is very boring
sick sentinel
^^
sand egret
it's not a good design
it's just a bland design from a time where it was more relevant
stark sage
but its a reliable EHP gain against all types of damage
ehp gain over no talent that is
daring marlin
grampsong
sand egret
still bland and doesn't really fit into what a talent is, but that's getting more high-brow-y
lavish oracle
Yeah, that was the point I was making Bladesong
stark sage
if there was a meaningful niche for it, i would be much happier with it being a talent
daring marlin
deja vu
lusty grotto
Hey remember a long time ago
When we had indom
And it was never any good
But lord sco said it was
stark sage
in legion atleast it was closer to being viable, bolster is way stronger than devastator was
lusty grotto
You guys :(
stark sage
but again, we pick talents that double dip on synergy and we wanted max rage income during legion, and that was devastator's job
sick sentinel
now we want maximum clapping
lusty grotto
I miss devastator with rage, warbringer and reflective plating :(
stark sage
rip
lusty grotto
Hey now, it's bootyclap ๐ข ๐ต ๐
uneven mason
for rage and LULS
stark sage
if we still had warbringer :pepsihands:
lusty grotto
Drool
lusty grotto
Pre nerf warbringer though
uneven mason
like it used too
uneven mason
Warbringer belongs in the warrior hall of fame along side Heroic Strike and Disrupting Shout
lusty grotto
Pre nerf warbringer wasn't on stun Dr
sand egret
we're aware
daring marlin
Disrupting Shout was goat tho
You must not have played during times of infinite rage
because that was cancer
lusty grotto
It's why hs/cleave was bound to my mousewheel
lusty grotto
Revenge traits hnngggg
tawny maple
Anyone know how often the Anicent Tuskarr Charm procs? Or how to find out how often something procs?
tawny maple
Okay cool thanks!
inner onyx
i rermember there was a spread sheet that showed dungeon info, what mobs can spell reflect, and a good "damage taken" number on it does anyone have that?
undone sun
inner onyx
ty!
undone vale
i realize simming is prolly the wa yto go
but 385 tortollin trinket, proccing vers..worth using?
vocal nimbus
Always depends on your other options
undone vale
ah
i have a 375 mujababababs bandages
otherwise
and a 385 alchy stone
mchimba*
vocal nimbus
you can drop the mujababababa
daring marlin
Use the 385s
summer kestrel
sick sentinel
I would use RAGE
personally
So have any dirty gobblebrights come off the street to ask about prot warrior being good since the prot warrior got the brm monk spot on methods stream
final mist
Would it matter if people did come in here and ask about it? This isn't an exclusive club.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sick sentinel
It matters if they are a BrM
undone sun
what
supple path
But bitter resentment of players who play the class after buffs is an essential part of all WoW communities.
sick sentinel
^
daring marlin
INR is an interesting individual.
final mist
It doesn't matter what class they're coming from. I expect you guys to treat people who drop in here with respect and answer questions politely.
Someone dropping by and seeing a random person calling what they would assume to be noobs "dirty gooblebrights" isn't exactly the definition of nice and respectful.
pearl sinew
Hey all, is Warr dps for M+ all about ilevel or should I be going haste vers?
err Prot Warr DPS
daring marlin
ilvl>>>>all
pearl sinew
kk
sick sentinel
While that makes sense, sadly no a gobblebright is not a noob. It is a pair of legs with fishnets and heels that aren't legs, with yo-yo arms and tail. Noobs I am fine coming here, the name calling is for FoTM players.
pearl sinew
does that mean food I should be using blood sausage over haste food?
chilly brook
Use what you got
pearl sinew
Pats fan! LETS DO IT MATT
chilly brook
Yeet
warm plinth
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chilly brook
I just make haste food for myself
sick sentinel
haste food is like 50 gold each
chilly brook
If anyone else wants to provide food then Iโll use it
But otherwise Iโll just use what I have
sand egret
our 2ndaries are close enough that we can pick the cheapest option and be just fine
sick sentinel
But you'll regret it in the morning
also vers reduces magic damage ๐
Never go eat cheap food, bad for the stomach
chilly brook
I mean it really isnโt hard to make your own food in game
sand egret
its kinda the move anyway haha
chilly brook
Just fish for an hour a week
sick sentinel
I'm a student, cheap food is my only option:C
I fish during Blockade
between pulls
easy
chilly brook
Youโll literally have whatever your chosen food is spare for a good two weeks off fishing for one hour a week
sand egret
whats the NA horde emissary today?
sick sentinel
You see here's the problem
sand egret
anything worth it?
sick sentinel
That requires me to fish
fast knot
Tortollan ring/trink
sand egret
ooh jewlery again? im into that
sick sentinel
You see there's ur problem I barely watch anything in the first place
chilly brook
This is where I say that if youโre not watching that show youโre wrong
sick sentinel
I just waited until they got cheap and bought a whole bunch
I mean fucking Christ Almighty
Fix ur bag, everything is out place and not in order
You stinky figglebitch
that's my bank
Fix your bank
You stinky figglebitch
my bank is fine
depletely fine
chilly brook
Better than my bags
sick sentinel
I swear I get so mad whenever I see people's bags with so much random shit
undone sun
that's the most organized bank i've seen
sick sentinel
Yeah, ok
Calling that whole line with just two items, a spot empty, a stack of drums not at Max, another spot with some pots where a max stack of drums should be at, and food not in order
Organized is crazy talk
at the start of each day I go to my bank and restack my shit
undone sun
you worry about other peoples shit way more than you need to
vocal nimbus
Wewo this chat has no chill
daring marlin
whatchu mean
sick sentinel
Grats lol
warm plinth
Thanks ๐
weary rivet
After some time of looking at the resources, I think because its recent ilvl change makes it low priority on figuring out. But how does Ancient Tuskarr Sea Charm fair at a 385 ilvl? Currently I have Gale Caller's Beak and the Blockades for trinkets and would think its slightly better the Galecaller because of the frequent uptime on versatility (being 4 procs per minute at +415 Vers).
weary rivet
355 + Socket
sick sentinel
imagine not using a dps trinket
weary rivet
Thats what I was thinking, just because the occasional small heal helps. Thanks Bladesong
sick sentinel
tbf yeah on low ilvl you feel a bit squishy
steel mauve
blockades is still strong for its ilvl
the heal is negligent, the stam is what makes it work
sick sentinel
blockades is super good for surv
sand egret
once you start getting 385+ trinkets you can replace tho
weary rivet
With my luck wont happen until I get the opulence trinket but thats w/e lol
sand egret
or you feel you don't need the surivival at all (since blockades has no offensive benefit)
sick sentinel
the only pure survivability trinket I will use in the near future will be opulence
but until then dps trinkets only
steel mauve
opulence trinket looks really good
candid ledge
I've got a 385 Rezan's and a 415 Knot of ancient Fury. Would it be worth to use 400 alchemy trinket?
for survival
sick sentinel
I would go knot+alchemy
warm plinth
415 knot ๐ฎ sexy
sick sentinel
huge
sick sentinel
rezans makes your stuff come back quicker whereas the bonus on pots +a str proc ( which gives armor and bigger ignore pains) that procs fairly consistently should help you a ton
neon tangle
if youre raiding you can get the 400 or 415 trinket
candid ledge
Do you know the procs per minute?
warm plinth
Alc trink is 1ppm
neon tangle
anfd 15ilvls > stats
candid ledge
Both raid and m+ tbh
sick sentinel
if you clear hc twice and 1 mythic boss you can have 415 already
if you are at 180 breaths then scrap your trinket and you will get 20 breaths back
neon tangle
the 400 is really cheap
warm plinth
That's such a creepy name for a crafting material
candid ledge
compared to the rings it's cheap
warm plinth
"What do I need for this item?" "Oh nothing huge, just some spirit troll breath"
Think it'd be worth swapping to dps loot spec for the tortollan emissary in case it's a trinket?
neon tangle
JC seems like such a jip
Rings are pretty much your least valuable slot
vs. eng or alch
where you get some of your most impactful ones
outer dew
depends
rings are also fairly hard to replace
400 ring + socket on the right stat
is pretty fat
neon tangle
By the end of the tier I'm always swimming in rings
warm plinth
Can I only make the 355 stone without raiding?
neon tangle
Since it's shared loot for the whole raid
that and cloaks
@warm plinth You need tidalcores for the 385 stone
which come from 5mans
maybe need to visit the trainer if you haven't in a while
warm plinth
Oh okay, I might do that then. Do you actually have to level profs for recipes in this expansion?
neon tangle
Don't remember the level you learn it at, but yes you gotta level
eng helm is at 130
warm plinth
Alright
sand egret
turtle turn-in is still stormsong valley for horde right?
warm plinth
Thank you sir
sand egret
oh shit really?
neon tangle
Yeah it's scaletrader outpost
sand egret
ahh that save me a job...haha
neon tangle
โค
sick sentinel
you can make 385 stone without raiding
warm plinth
Yeah, that's what sadbox was saying
sick sentinel
sorry I missed it
warm plinth
All good, still appreciated
neon tangle
I'm running out of stuff I can use from heroic already
395 ilvl now
By next tuesday I'll have 2x 400 azerite pieces, plus a 400 trinket
sand egret
single, rng 415s are how much TR again?
warm plinth
1725, sorry. Just double-checked wowhead
sand egret
kk thx
warm plinth
Which one would you guys replace, rot-scour?
Oh I guess I can't
Shit
It's the same ring, fuuuu
sand egret
yeah i got a ring as well
warm plinth
Meanwhile my DH got a trinket that wasn't an upgrade when he could have used a ring. :/
sand egret
that'll prob happen here to me in a sec. my bear does not have good luck
i lied. i got to replace sporepods. bear is luck.
steel mauve
i mean, thats not very difficult ๐
sand egret
well it was for me!
warm plinth
Bear in 2k19
neon tangle
@warm plinth Crit is good too, I wouldn't worry too much about it
warm plinth
Yeah I'm over it, still a substantial ilevel upgrade. Just tired of having two on-use trinkets is really why I was hoping for something different.
warm plinth
Have 385 knot and 370 lion's strength ๐
neon tangle
at least for 1 of them
I'm 90% more likely to forget and never press the trinket button
warm plinth
Yeah I have to macro them or I forget they exist. Well, actually for my DH's galecaller I just made a giant WA that flashes when it comes off CD lol
cursive prairie
LF Advice: Currently using a 370 Xalzaix eye and 385 Diamond Refracting Prism but I just looted a 390 Tuskarr Sea Charm.
I know the Diamond is a BiS but would swapping the other 2 be better overall?
Been looking for info and found very little ๐ฆ
warm plinth
Man everyone is getting that sea charm today D:
inland mesa
What's the charm from
cursive prairie
tortillan cache
uneven mason
I got a 44 gold from the emmisary
it was an epic 44 gold
I'd love to get a sea charm
primal crypt
too little too late
broken moon
fair enough
sick sentinel
you can just do mplus for waists
broken moon
fair
sick sentinel
if you have BS you can make a 415 waist as well
outer dew
what's the addon that shows ilvl in your slots?
outer dew
thanks bby
last mason
good lord im so bad at this spec. I main fury and just tried prot, even at 400 ilvl i was getting melted, so im obviously doing something wrong
seems like such a higher skill floor than say veng, which is the only other tanking exp i have
warm plinth
Melted doing what content?
warm plinth
Any particular part?
last mason
the last boss, and some of the trash leading up to it
warm plinth
That's definitely not one of our easier dungeons; lots of spell damage.
last mason
i feel like i never know when i need to have block up
and i feel like my ip gets shredded so quick
keep in mine i had to switch to prot since the tank dced
so it was weird
warm plinth
Yeah, that boss is pretty rough for us because his auto attacks are fire damage.
strange horizon
Boys, Jesโ Howler, Alchemy trink, Opulence trinket all same ilvl, which 2 would you pick?
signal plover
opulence+alch
sick sentinel
@strange horizon you do not unequip Opulence until you give 0 fucks about defence, it's really good since it scales with haste
red dock
TC vs Callous?
daring marlin
lol boys
look at bestkeystone.com
The stats are hilarious
Warrior at the top for everything but two
epic
sick sentinel
Callous is pgood
sick sentinel
CR is good wtf
Why would a tank in the right mind take a trait that makes them take more damage
lavish oracle
?
sick sentinel
instead of a trait that makes them take less damage AND deal more damage
TC is treacherous covenant
lavish oracle
Oh, for some reason I was thinking DC
lavish oracle
Yeah, CR
daring marlin
TC aka razor ramon trait
sick sentinel
a single CR pushed revenge from my 4rth dps source in an mplus to the second highest
lavish oracle
Yeah, its not a bad trait, its just the worst class trait
warm plinth
^ Same, sexy aoe damage
sand egret
false, my opinions are superior.
sick sentinel
as you are doing higher mplus you will notice the problem is the group dying
from aoes and boss spells
oblique garnet
Callous probably does more tbh
sand egret
tried to pull the entire priestess floor in one pull in AD just now. didn't pull it off, but I ain't sorry.
lavish oracle
Callous's survivability component is unreliable in boss encounters
Unless you're stacking crit like the dickens
sand egret
it was the big ones, the two priestesses, and the augor/jugg on the side
sand egret
we needed it for the %
daring marlin
oblique garnet
You dont
oblique garnet
It is
lavish oracle
It's not
oblique garnet
Skip the last reaping and do it after yazma
sand egret
how much % did i have
daring marlin
sand egret
was i in a 10
like i'm talking in that moment
i needed the trash
hence why i brought it up
i dont need your hypothetical crap
oblique garnet
Pfft
sand egret
i'm like describing a situation that happened to me and you coming in talking like you were there and it happened differently. as they say, smh.
lavish oracle
Just taking my last M+ run as sample, CR would not have done more damage than IF, it would have done ~33% less than IF over the course of the dungeon just from doing some napkin math with details
cursive prairie
LF Advice: Currently using a 370 Xalzaix eye and 385 Diamond Refracting Prism but I just looted a 390 Tuskarr Sea Charm.
I know the Diamond is a BiS but would swapping the other 2 be better overall?
Been looking for info and found very little ๐ฆ
lavish oracle
I'd equip Tuskarr and Diamond if that's what you're asking?
cursive prairie
Ya, i know the diamond is out biS tank trink
gaunt turtle
for grong is it possible to control which Tank gets thrown away?
cursive prairie
was curious having the vers /str from the tuskar trink bring better than the shield from the eye
@gaunt turtle yes
gaunt turtle
how?
last mason
hey guys, im a little confused on how I should be using shield block in general in m+. Im 400 ilvl , but i was still getting smashed in a motherlode 10. Im not sure if i should be using it regularly or only when i need
i main fury
gaunt turtle
regularly
shield block shield block last stand shield block shield block
if pack is not dead
lavish oracle
Which packs were you getting smashed on, Sleepy?
gaunt turtle
your dps is too low
cursive prairie
my partner takes first hit whatever it is. and i taunt second and he taunts 3rd
@lavish oracle thanks
looks like ill go play a bit
oblique garnet
If you get smashed by 3rd boss thats normal since it only does magical damage
gaunt turtle
3rd boss can magic reflect tho
lavish oracle
the uptime is pretty high on the Sea charm @cursive prairie it's fairly good
gaunt turtle
and keep ignore pain overall
lavish oracle
unless you find yourself still dying without eye, I'd keep the charm equipped
oblique garnet
Yes you can reflect the chemical burn dot but the boss melees actually hurt alot
daring marlin
Did a 14 motherlode earlier
last mason
@lavish oracle it was the last boss and the trash leading up to it
daring marlin
reflecting chemical felt gr8
gaunt turtle
death run it xD
daring marlin
The only trash that really hurts is the trash before third
lavish oracle
Last boss and 3rd boss both auto attack for magic damage
last mason
so what do you do in situations like that
where the main dmg is magic
just kite
?
oblique garnet
Pray
gaunt turtle
can also use spell reflect since if it doesnt reflect you get a 5 sec magical dmg reduction
lavish oracle
Manage CDs, pool rage for IP, ask for externals
run Bloodsport and the bandages trinket shrug
last mason
oh ok so in those situations u dont really prio tclap or any dmg abilities
oblique garnet
Idk how you would be struggling in 10s with 400 ilvl tho
lavish oracle
You still prio rage gen abilities sleepy
because you need that rage really badly for IP
Just make sure you're not dumping rage into shield block or revenge and you'll be fine, mostly
Also make sure you're not overspending rage on IP
last mason
yea it was a 10 but it was my first time basically playing prot and the healer was sub 1k io
so it kinda balanced out lol
oblique garnet
Oh jaina still aint dead?
lavish oracle
Nope, thought limit woulda had her by now
didn't help that Blizz buffed her earlier today
daring marlin
leggo method
oblique garnet
Yeah probably
sick sentinel
you got 1.5k s2 io already?
oblique garnet
Yh?
oblique garnet
Could be higher but havent done that many keys this week
sick sentinel
also did you say that I didn't have enough loot?
oblique garnet
Farmed 11-14s on wednesday
inner onyx
whlichever yellow gave me advice on that the other day thank you
inner onyx
haven't gotten loot yet
one ady
day*
only normal shit
waiting for rasta's chest to drop
sick sentinel
405 SoB, 405 AD shield, 400 FH ring , 400+s+leech rezans, 400+s pants all in the span of like 4-5 hours
oblique garnet
I got 3 rings with a socket yesterday
sick sentinel
huge
oblique garnet
They were all with absolutely dogshit stats
Wasnt even upgrade over my 410 fh ring and 405 atal rig
Ring
sick sentinel
FH ring is HUGE
oblique garnet
Yup
dim blaze
ring question: both 400 ilvl one has 301 haste, 157 verse
other has 137 crit, 321 verse, socket (40 haste)
non-socket one i think?
sick sentinel
socket
dim blaze
even with all that lost haste
sick sentinel
more stats>"better" stats
sick sentinel
so is 300 vers
oblique garnet
Technically its only 150 ish more vers
How much % of haste are you losing by switching the ring
outer dew
i mean
1.3k was pretty easy for me to get
just meme farming keys
lol
real question is do i value avoidance over haste
sick sentinel
62 avoidance is like 1.5%
if you wanna meme you can do it but it is not better objectively
dense flame
can you block the debuff from 3rd boss in KR or only parry
stoic zenith
trinket between 400 grong and 375 syringe?
the grongs has leech but other than that just a stat stick i guess
broken moon
adulation enforcer bis?
dense flame
So I did my first dungeon really this expansion as prot (main fury). Noticed my overall dmg in KR was low. My breakdown of abils was TC > Melee > SS. Would it be worthwhile to maximize my defensive windows and pull a bit larger? I just felt like I was getting dicked on certain parts.
sick sentinel
KR is not really a dungeon that you can pull bigger
try doing something like a manor or freehold
you want Bastion of Might ( multiples of them, ideally 3) and one piece is deafening crash
dense flame
I also wasn't optimizing avatar/DS windows for reaping
sick sentinel
your dps will skyrocket
dense flame
ah I don't have any BOM/DC