#protection
final mist
timid jay
lusty grotto
points laser dot at wall
sand egret
this is adorable
undone sun
||yeet||
|| @timid jay||
undone sun
weak pebble
Is there a consolidated list anywhere of spell reflectable things in M+ without the WA? I just want to add custom filters to my plater nameplates
lusty grotto
undone sun
Yes
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto you pushing keys yet?
potent anvil
got world 2nd KR 👏
oblique garnet
How high?
oblique garnet
Oh only 16 is enough o.o
final mist
Guess you guys were limited by your method
oblique garnet
I would have assumed its higher
potent anvil
could have done the 17, but scuffed first boss with reaping + boss lol
final mist
At least your run didn't fall to pieces
undone sun
Hmmmmm
oblique garnet
Please stop sal
potent anvil
KR is like the seat from legion
vocal nimbus
Hm
final mist
I'm bound by law to make puns
vocal nimbus
Are you tipsy again sal?
final mist
Never
undone sun
🤦
oblique garnet
I need to do my shrine 16 at some point 😪
final mist
Just don't wait until it's too late
lusty grotto
@oblique garnet still gearing on 11s and 12ss 😦
potent anvil
got a 19 shrine in the group monkaS
oblique garnet
We have 4 shrines and a temple
Man i still cant get rid of my wrists ive had since first warfront
warm plinth
Sal with the puns :clap:
uneven mason
@oblique garnet wrists are my new boots gotten 3 pairs
400, 400 with socket, 400 with socket and speed!
sick sentinel
i hate shrine of storm, but i hate siege of boralus even more
oblique garnet
I used to hate siehe but with reaping its actually fun
uneven mason
Reaping is fun
oblique garnet
Aye that it is
sinful vortex
is blockades still good
sand egret
for a 355
primal crypt
any good? 1.5m CD :/
strange horizon
can Engi helm remove Grong and Kimbul bleed?
sand egret
can ya block during it/
neon tangle
87477 / 90 (seconds) == 971 dps?
sand egret
what's the "increased damage"
neon tangle
on ST
neon tangle
seems good to me, would want to know about the block thing
sand egret
that'll be a big decider for me
neon tangle
tho, also depends on how often you have to hold the CD since it prolly would suck to use during avatar
warm plinth
Should be affected by the damage increase of Avatar though shouldn't it? Since it's a % gain
neon tangle
I mean you're losing 2-3 TCs during that time
undone sun
avatar is whitelisted
warm plinth
What does that mean?
warm plinth
Oh, so they specifically only affect those abilities
undone sun
yeah, https://www.wowhead.com/spell=107574/avatar shows more of it
including Thunderclap
primal crypt
I'll test bois
gonna log it
watch me get rekt
lmao
as soon as I pop it, keel over
warm plinth
So outside Avatar it should be good damage on single target, assuming avoidance still works during it. I don't know how much these weird trinket effects get affected by multiple targets.
The ones that are split among targets, but gain damage based on # of targets
undone sun
that's the channel trinket right? you can melee, parry, dodge and presumably block during it so 👍
warm plinth
Yeah it seems like it's basically Draught of Souls: Revised Edition
undone sun
potent anvil
@primal crypt i use my 425 grong trinket as prot. the ST dmg is really good
potent anvil
its worth 4 GCDs for the channel, but i doubt any 4 GCDs will outdamage it during that time. does like 110k~ with 5 stack into the fray
modern brook
i want the grong trinket more than i want azerite tbh
primal crypt
is it any good on AOE?
potent anvil
huge aoe its meh, not entirely worth. small aoe like 4-6 seems decent
primal crypt
eh
potent anvil
so its good for like packs where you just killing for CD timings i guess
sand egret
counter-point: you're kinda ehhhhhh
primal crypt
Look here you
timber nest
SOO, pulling hgeroic jaina. what causes her to reset in p2 and port every1 back to the boat?
dusk locust
also, how does the taunt swap work on p2/p3 jaina
we're having some trouble working that out
fierce juniper
Most important thing is to not have both tanks frozen at the same time, so generally you pretty much want to ignore Ice Shard stacks and taunt off for Chilling Touch.
i.e. let the other tank get frozen, then taunt. Wait until you get frozen, other tank taunts, etc
If things are handled properly you can of course swap for Ice Shard, and you should so stacks don't get too high, but again just make sure both tanks are never frozen at the same time.
daring marlin
@primal crypt You took that SS as fury, right?
primal crypt
which SS
daring marlin
the trinket
daring marlin
Yes.
primal crypt
nope
warm plinth
Guessing the damage is higher than you expected?
daring marlin
Interesting. I swapped to prot and the value isn't half anymore.
undone sun
hmmm
warm plinth
Uh oh, trinket not nerfed for tanks; fun detected!
daring marlin
It most definitely was last week.
undone sun
i mean, it was nerfed for only warrior @warm plinth
warm plinth
Was it really? lol
daring marlin
LOL
primal crypt
HOLY SHIT
undone sun
yeah
primal crypt
THE DMG
warm plinth
That's funny
primal crypt
IS CHANGING
daring marlin
yeah
primal crypt
LOL
primal crypt
WOW
warm plinth
Yeah it's haste based; that's what Deswind was saying with ITF stacks
oblique garnet
anyone here play rogue?
daring marlin
@modern brook I know this man does
primal crypt
I totally missed when Deswind said that lmaooooo
but trinkets dont receive avatar buff
so meh....
oblique garnet
imagine how busted it would be if avatar increased it
primal crypt
my god
undone sun
that's probably why it was originally nerfed
undone sun
they forgot prot didn't have reck and avatar is whitelisted
warm plinth
And you said Demo is as well (Booming Voice) right?
undone sun
yeh
primal crypt
whitelisted? as in?
undone sun
only affects specific abilities
warm plinth
Can it crit?
modern brook
@oblique garnet whats the rogue q?
primal crypt
it can crit
nova rover
Guys Howler at 400 over butcher block at 385?
modern brook
is your other on use?
warm plinth
Guess it's a good thing Battle Cry doesn't exist in the same way it did before. Draught 2.0
undone sun
p much
primal crypt
potent anvil
i personally like grong trinket for ST as prot tbh. typically ends up being like 7-8% of my dmg at the end of the fight. does big damage in the opener with lust
primal crypt
using it for keys
light aurora
Are jaina's ice shards blockable?
warm plinth
Si
forest fern
Is anyone else having problems with lacerate damage on the conclave fight being fairly ridiculous? It just wrecks me really hard
warm plinth
I'm actually surprised that bleeds don't say "will wreck you really hard" in their tooltips
sick sentinel
if you are transformed to a dwarf you can racial it:D
warm plinth
😂
dark lark
Anybody have any anecdotal experience with using Safeguard in M+? Wondering how much more helpful I can be utility wise
dark lark
YOURE RIGHT
sick sentinel
not having the TC talent for reaping
daring marlin
sick sentinel
I mean, safeguard can be really good
for example Eudora
she two shots my dps
if she shoots them twice in a row
oblique garnet
@modern brook yeah so about outlaw i have no idea how this shit works whats good for it etc
sick sentinel
sure
dark lark
Trying to think if I would still consistently use safeguard over crackling thunder
sick sentinel
you can also get Crackling and have rings of peace and binding shot
daring marlin
With the introduction of reaping I'll never not have crackling in M+
dark lark
Yeah but that assumes that I have friends that I can depend on :(
sick sentinel
if you are going to use safeguard, you are going to take it for specific bosses in specific dungeons
dark lark
Hm
Shark bait would be a good one too
Or whatever his name is
Trolthog
So maybe freehold is one you could consistently run it on
Kings rest council on tyrannical week for the severing axe?
sick sentinel
tyrr freehold specifically
for the council mostly
you can safeguard your melee on first boss yeah
sweet kettle
In freehold?
dark lark
If it's only for specific bosses, maybe its usage is better suited in raids as a mini bop
Or blessing of sac, rather
sweet kettle
Yeah running around charging people isn't really something a tank does
Maybe his co-tank
sick sentinel
in raids it is more limited even
dark lark
But what are you really using crackling thunder in raids for anyway haha
sick sentinel
you are using bounding in raids
dark lark
Maybe opulence adds
dark lark
Yeah I was thinking bounding vs safeguard for raids would be the discussion
sick sentinel
you have to consider all 3 talents every time
but bounding would be the play like 90% of the time
oblique garnet
Im running CT on raids
sweet kettle
In fights we're you have to move alot etc bounding is the clear choice
oblique garnet
but bounding would probably be better
sweet kettle
CT isn't a talent that offers alot
It's not like that extra range is gonna be a game changer
oblique garnet
i want to maximize my effective clapping
sick sentinel
CT is good for opulence and bounding is not that good there anyway
oblique garnet
if you use bounding on m+ now youre hindering yourself
warm plinth
Don't tellm e how to live my life
stoic summit
ilvl 385 168/264 haste vers ring
vs
ilvl 400 170/288 vers mast ring
sick sentinel
but you can find a substantial use for bounding in most encounters
@stoic summit the 400 ilvl imo
sweet kettle
Bounding is insane in m+
dark lark
400
stoic summit
thx
oblique garnet
ct is way better in m+
dark lark
Would you use bounding or safeguard on conclave
oblique garnet
bounding
sick sentinel
bounding
dark lark
Could safeguard against raptors and shit?
sick sentinel
you are not supposed to get hit by raptors
dark lark
Ic, I haven't tanked that particular fight yet
sweet kettle
If somebody gets hit by the raptors just let him die he deserves it
dark lark
Just brainstorming
warm plinth
I don't have M+ experience in BfA but I never had any issue hitting everything with TClap in Legion. Have done some limited tanking on normal/heroic dungeons though and didn't notice anything different. But I'm also not doing the as;lkjfwe;pulleverythinga;slfijwepijo level of dungeons.
stoic summit
i have had zero issues with bounding in M+, still wreck shit with avatar + tclap
i'm only doing like 10-13s tho
oblique garnet
is really strong against mobs that are spread away further
sweet kettle
If you have problems with hitting stuff with tclap then you doing something wrong
stoic summit
nothing crazy high
sick sentinel
you can TC stuff while not being in melee range
with rings of peace and binding shot
oblique garnet
also that
sick sentinel
it's nuts
warm plinth
I'm not hating on it; I just haven't ever seen the need for it. And I like having my speed boost for when I have to kite in sketchy situations.
dark lark
Yeah I only run bounding on necrotic weeks and tyrannical Kings rest
I get fucjed by the back hand
stoic summit
dude i parried backhand 4 times in a row yesterday
oblique garnet
just have a person taunt the backhand boss
dark lark
But then more often than not a DPS dies to severing axe and I wonder what I could've done to help lol
sick sentinel
for 50% party
oblique garnet
thats a dps/healer issue
they arent using defensives or healing enough on the target
dark lark
I pug too much to rely on the taunt, or have someone to intervene to
I know but I still would like to have more impact
stoic summit
i'm engineer so i also have rocket boosts
they only screw you over like, 1% of the time lol
dark lark
Lol
sick sentinel
rocket boots can't fail in mplus
stoic summit
oh really? that's good to know
dark lark
Interesting
sick sentinel
same for raids as well
stoic summit
i had some fail in reg mythics, figured i was just lucky in m+
oblique garnet
gotta love people who do freehold lvling boosts
potent anvil
to be fair, bounding and crackling thunder are just quality of life talents where as safeguard is for big brain plays in m+
warm plinth
I'd use Safeguard on you Des ❤
potent anvil
thanks ❤
oblique garnet
just let him die deswind can you stop playing warrior kthxbye i dont need any extra competition :<
dark lark
I love the idea that it's like a ghetto blessing of sac
oblique garnet
Jk jk love you @potent anvil ❤
dark lark
Gonna experiment with it this weekend
potent anvil
ive used safeguard for WC and KR specifically. alleviating the dot damage in KR is nice and mitigating jagged nettles helps. i would use it for temple just for first boss, but static shock hurts and i dont want to take any more of it lol
steel mauve
dark lark
I use rally cry if my healer doesn't use a raid cd on static shock
After that I just pray
sick sentinel
my boomkin kept dying after the patch and today I told him "I'm not doing a run until you spec off Treacherous covenant"
and he did
and he got 2 innervate traits
and my healers are now super happy
potent anvil
when i dps keys, i run treacherous covenant. this is the tier of promoting toxic gameplay. see a healer/rdps with that trinket for standing alone? nope, im intercepting to you. jk
sick sentinel
funnily enough, I run with a boomkin and a mage that both had the trinket
and they just hugged for the whole run
dark lark
Lol
sick sentinel
btw, shrine's first reaping can be made extremely easy
oblique garnet
yeah depending what you play
sick sentinel
I mean, you can skip first 2 casters by going on the rocks after you exit the building
go kill the elemetal
and then come back and kill them
and you LoS every caster in the building
and they just stack up
willow nexus
@potent anvil 👋
potent anvil
👋
oblique garnet
deswind do you have the opulence trinket yet?
willow nexus
potent anvil
@sick sentinel the big brain play is to round up everything with sky step, jump in a bowl statue to snap and then run back inside the big room and LoS and it'll snap teleport to you. have fun dealing with 6 attendants and 4 spiritualists 👏
oblique garnet
fuck dealing with the attendants since my team is literally like toddlers if i dont call the interrupts for them
they either all use interrupt at the sametime or dont interrupt at all
sick sentinel
that's too much IQ
potent anvil
i dont have the opulence trinket, wish i did though looks really good
sick sentinel
imagine using defensive trinkets
primal crypt
Deswind
primal crypt
you were right XD
oblique garnet
the trinket is insane
sick sentinel
is it really?
oblique garnet
yes
sick sentinel
I am fury in raids so rip
potent anvil
the opulence trinket scales with haste, so its pretty big HPS in m+
sick sentinel
I can probably go prot lootspec for opulence though
dark lark
Scaless with haste as in the cooldown?
potent anvil
i personally would use that and everchill if im doing tough keys, but grong's trinket is 👌
oblique garnet
did a freehold where i outhealed a healer because he had actually nothing to heal even when i was doing big pulls
sick sentinel
I am using a 385 knot and a 390 butchers block rn
oblique garnet
kage stop slacking smh why are you not 400 in every piece yet
sick sentinel
trinkets don't drop man wtf
oblique garnet
actually true
i got the opulence + alchemist stone
i have 14% versatility i feel strange
dark lark
Gross
sick sentinel
I can't make alchemist stone because I need eng helm for my fury spec
dark lark
Tfw when not alch eng
oblique garnet
blacksmith alchemy atm
primal crypt
Why is azerite globs so bad 😦
sick sentinel
because it's not good
oblique garnet
oi bois dont sell out strenght in numbers >
sick sentinel
wtf
modern brook
@oblique garnet Big aoe pulls
oblique garnet
still tho
potent anvil
azerite globs is technically good, if it actually procs when it matters lol. but most of the time you get like 1 or 2 procs in a pack and a bunch of mobs sitting at 1 stack of it.
modern brook
literally any pull you're good in Outlaw is good in
oblique garnet
i dont think any trait beats vampiric speed on reaping
supple path
380 rezan's vs 385 Ritual feather? Mostly M+
modern brook
but im also not a huge fan of outlaw
sick sentinel
outlaw is fun tho
potent anvil
i wish fury can pump in aoe like outlaw, feelsbad
sick sentinel
remove target limit from WW buff, ez
potent anvil
pretty sure if that happen, it would be like 35% dmg instead of 50%
free uncapped aoe pretty much all the time 🤔
potent anvil
yeah
warm plinth
I dislike specs that have limited aoe like that. It's really annoying and instantly puts them at a disadvantage in dungeon scenarios compared to other specs. Especially how higher M+ has evolved to be just competitions of how big can you pull
Not to mention how important it is in certain situations to kill mobs as close together as possible
dark lark
You mean you don't like turning the blobs in shrine into raid bosses
potent anvil
tbf, fury aoe's advantage is its consistency. so depends on how you look at it. either fury does really good aoe, or really bad lol. but you dont suffer downtime, just need to ramp a bit.
and most of the damage in m+ this season is from risen souls which are the ones that just die instantly, you still do decent focusing on prio targets
dark lark
Enraged dragon shout ftw
sick sentinel
yo I just realised I am a big dummy
I can scrap the 400 googles to get enough breaths for the 415 ones
warm plinth
Yeah it would just be irritating to me to only be damaging half of a pull while the other DPS are damaging the whole thing
How does that work? You just have to make the former to unlock the new one? They aren't actually an ingredient for the higher one?
sick sentinel
crafting 385 gives 400 recipe and crafting them gives 415 recipe
warm plinth
Ah okay. I was wondering what people meant by all that. I was thinking of it like the original alchemist stone where you used the base one to create the different ones
supple path
sorry, fought stuff - my other tinket is a ilvl 400 block w/avoidance
oblique garnet
@supple path gore grusted block or? i mean the ritual feather is essentially like a bastion of might trait so its really good macroed with avatar
oblique garnet
neither of your options is bad
supple path
Probably close to identical value either way, yeah.
oblique garnet
our retri who fails to dodge every single mechanic got the 425 2hander <.<
daring marlin
♿ are the best
my ♿ buddy always pulls extra in M+
good thing his damage is insane now with the new traits
oblique garnet
i wish
sick sentinel
1713 titan juice monkaS
m0 tour here we go
a single 370 scrap and I have my item
dark lark
just random gambling a 415?
oblique garnet
legit gos bis shoulders
from random gamble
gonna get another piece in 2 weeks
maybe even one
and then hopefully get the chest from first boss mythic next week
dark lark
which traits?
oblique garnet
BoM + IF
sick sentinel
410 imo
wispy sparrow
alright thanks
unkempt fox
haste all day for m+, for raiding its close (IMHO)
cinder nova
Jaina bolts are blockable yeah?
undone sun
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
watch you get absolute dog shit item
oblique garnet
actually bis
sick sentinel
do I get a second DC over bonded souls?
sick sentinel
I have to get grog shoulders on sunday to use lockjaw for prot
worthy dagger
how often bonded souls proc tho
sick sentinel
last info I had on it was"quite a bit"
oblique garnet
yes
worthy dagger
should i take it over bfi then?
lavish oracle
true plover
I've taken an extra Bonded Souls over bfi. It feels really good in M+
old zephyr
On the recently updated sims I can't find alchemist stone, did I just miss it ?
true plover
I think all of them are listed under the same one
old zephyr
Right thx
sick sentinel
so, it should be better than a second DC?
like
I did
but was it the correct thing to do
pale grail
Me and my guild killed H Jaina last week just fine, but this week I'm getting chunked by ice shard. Has anyone else noticed a massive boost in damage?
warm plinth
Are you making sure to have Shield Block up for it?
pale grail
yeah, and our monk tank is getting red stagger after two hits
old zephyr
Sims are cool in à vacum but especially in m+ Where dps matter, I dont think they are super relevant.
Most of our Damage happens during burst Windows and in AoE
And you don't really sim for that
unkempt fox
400 butcher's block vs 400 alchemist stone? (the other one is 400 refracting prism)
unkempt fox
stone still works on HS right?
unkempt fox
worked week one afaik
old zephyr
Doesn't work now
unkempt fox
well will try gore i guess, might be fun
sick sentinel
I use a 390 gore and it pumps
undone wind
I looked our guilds logs and H Jaina was hitting 30-40% harder tonight than Tuesday.
undone sun
old news
fringe marten
Wait..
fringe marten
..Justwait went war..and sco is monk?
rapid tide
Sco is monk monk.
ionic fern
Sco needs to play tanks where he has a failsafe in case he fails.
rapid tide
He kinda only has monk monk.
undone sun
justwait is actually reliable, so he can play warrior
ionic fern
^
rapid tide
Also nah, Sco was kinda always super reliable on not failing things imho.
fringe marten
...I was hoping, just so he could rub it in his OWN face.. that Sco would come back to prot with his tail between his legs.
rapid tide
It's just that BrM has been the go to tank for the last tiers.
fringe marten
Woh..thyme throwin' shade LOL.
rapid tide
I don't exactly know why he does not have other tanks prepared at neck 40+ but that's internal Method decisions 😄
They probably have good reason for that.
undone sun
sco is not a good tank, simple as that
fringe marten
Methods success record would dispute your claim. There's no way he can be doing what he's doing if he's not a solid player.
Now..he may be messing up more now than before, or making mistakes he shouldn't; but we all do sometimes.
undone sun
he's been playing the easiest tanks for the past few expacs
ionic fern
The fact is that tanks don't have a lot of things that require "skilL" in mechanics. So a mediocre tank will do fine.
And top it off with Brm being foolproof and you're gucci.
fringe marten
I would disagree Mwahi, however...I've only been doing heroic of the new raid; and honestly tanking is way easy in the new raid except ..? the first boss and jade masters a little.
It's nutty to me the boss (in heroic) that I STILL think is the toughest tank wise..is the FIRST boss (for alliance)
Everything else was a breeze so far. Jade masters kind of poops on you a little at the end with the Phoenix bird depending on how long you take it
However I do feel it's the most fun I've had tanking in a while; I absolutely love mechatorque fight.
Mekkatorque~
quiet kettle
i will say BoD has def tried to give tanks more to do besides just standing around
brittle crescent
hey guys, what would be the best combo of traits for max dps output in m+? Haven't played prot for 2 years and i am bit rusty
ionic fern
3xBoM,1xDC,1xIF most likely.
native venture
brittle crescent
thanks
old zephyr
I'll probably be there soon :
Do you Guys actually taunt swap on HM paku ?
forest fern
if you are killing paku first just use a dps to do it
he should be dead before more than 2 taunts are needed from a dps and they should survive the single hits if you take it back straight away
ionic fern
We don't taunt swap on it.
old zephyr
We kill it 3rd.
On nm I keep it the6whole fight, just6wondered if that worked on HM à well
strong forum
And only swap when the other aspect dies
You only ever swap paku when the other dies, he doesn't even hurt at 40 stacks
forest fern
if you kill paku third who do you deal with no swaps on kimbul with the lacerating claw, the bleed from it is just eating my face off
*how
old zephyr
Dwarf =)
strong forum
Dwarf racial :^)
forest fern
lol i knew you jerks were gonna say that
ionic fern
😄
forest fern
is it really that cut and dry right now, dwarf or go home?
forest fern
how many stacks do you get to with the cooldown on that racial then?
ionic fern
strong forum
2 - 3 tops, then it should die
old zephyr
You only need to have 1 in the raid
forest fern
you just chaining cooldowns to survive it at those stacks then, i mean the bleed is not blockable right and ignore pain is pretty pathetic against it
ionic fern
Only need cooldowns on 3rd
So from 3rd to 4th
I usually pop smth
Or ask for external
strong forum
Or just tank swap at 2, also works
forest fern
heh well i think our problem is the healers are being drained by the raid damage fails :S
oblique garnet
Never mistakes
strong forum
Swapping at 2 usually also does the trick, but conclave is giga pushover so 🤷
Didn't have many tries
old zephyr
My dwarf cotank is à monk so I don't really know
wide girder
old zephyr
Rezan any Day
stone beacon
https://ptr.wowdb.com/spells/199023-morale-killer#29141-29220 is this real ?????
stone beacon
oh ok then thoughtt was kind of god mod talent
strong forum
@wide girder rezans is one of the best trinkets you can get, lingering sporepods is one of the worst...
tidal quarry
Have they changed something with the +dmg taken stacks on the first boss or wave cast time or something? Last week I could leap away as soon as the wave was cast and I could drop my stacks. This week I didn’t have such luck and was getting smacked about a bit toward the end :(.
undone sun
sporepods is real bad
tight tree
They fixed 1st boss. Last longer now. So cant drop
oblique garnet
I think you can drop with the prayer of the fallen cast
marble cipher
On Mythic, stacks still drop even without kiting. Just cause of boss casts 👌
On Hc, apparently they can't be dropped without a swap anymore, haven't done it on hc yet.
zinc garnet
i could drop it once on HC when she did multiple consecutive casts, otherwise not
tidal quarry
Ah that explains it. Bummer. I’ll just have to ask for more CD’s to be thrown on me toward the end of the fight on HC haha.
fringe marten
As to the convo earlier.. yeah dwarf (specifically dark iron dwarf) is so damn good. I race changed to dwarf way back in legion when I started discovering that stone form could cure a few raid mechanics (one on Helya I remember?) and M+ stuff..plus it had mitigation bonus.
We did heroic conclave tonight; Kimbul would be a lot more swap intensive without dwarf racial.
Is it just a visual bug, or does Paku's attacks literally SLOW DOWN after like 32 stacks? I just tank paku at 40 stacks and he attacks normal speed (without his aoe haste buff)
normal trellis
What do the abbreviations stand for?
A absorb?
B block?
R ?
M ?
fringe marten
reflect, mitigate? not sure.
zinc garnet
why do some lines have red numbers and others not? i assumed that was the remaining
sharp night
er not remaining
raw
yeah it's raw
it equals the raw value
and then m/r gives you the percentage mitigation
zinc garnet
that doesn't hold for the first line though? 62k + 20k + 4k isn't 67k
sharp night
oh i guess block is counted in mitigation for some reason but not absorb
not sure why it's done that way
i guess because block is technically a percent reduction
red value + A + M seems to always add up to R
cloud hound
is the alchemy trinket any good?
dreamy owl
Anyone have a prot tips for mekka heroic
plain silo
Is Grong removing Spell Reflect when we're Bestial thrown a bug ?
We already suck at soaking this, but not having spell reflect on for the 200k nature damage sucks balls
void marten
hey guys, does anyone have any idea why justwait brought his warrior to jaina today?
is there a spell reflect cheese?
uneven mason
You can spell reflect her attack
Warriors are one of the better tanks this raid as well
small storm
You cant spellreflect her attack from what i know? But that attack is physical so you can block it
vocal nimbus
You cant sr her attacks
They bring warrior prob because 2nd shout and blockabe damage
ionic fern
^ That tbh. Ice Shard being physical & blockable makes it a very suitable fight for warriors.
I took 41.9k on avg from ice Shard and my co-tank took 67k. 🤷
vocal nimbus
The downtime while the debuff expires allows prots to refresh both SB charges easily too
zealous crest
guys, 395 Atal'dazar shield vs 400 first boss shield?
zealous crest
ok, ty alot on info
silk mortar
Ilvl on shields grants more block which is less damage
strong forum
The block value is all you care for on shields
Tfw got unlucky on mythic boss and didn't get Shield or azerite 😢
hollow thorn
imagne killing 3 mythic bosses and rolling twice, but still getting 0 loot
hollow thorn
Yikers
vocal nimbus
When i close my eyes i see ice blocks all around me
haunting me
tormenting my spirit
hollow thorn
how close have u gotten?
strong forum
Imagine having shit guild that's stuck on megatwerk cuz we have like 8 mute players not to mention we all have autism
small storm
yikes thats a tilter
plain silo
dafuq you can block Ice shards ?
No wonder I was getting demolished
I never used it on her and used SR when taking damage spikes
ionic fern
Jeap, it's physical.
There's a blockable spell list somewhere in the #268491842637660160 , take a look at it.
plain silo
ty
I didn't put that much research since I'm only tanking offspec but for some reason our tanks decided having all their shit happening at the beginning of a tier seemed like a good idea ...
well that answers my question as to why Spell reflect was going off before a Bestial Throw, too
lean topaz
Have any of you seen any blue posts about warrior damage as it is? I mean - does Big Blue think it is where it's supposed to be?
honest acorn
haven't seen anything but probably safer if we're not mentioned
primal crypt
Im pretty sure a dmg nerf is coming
That was last night
3 x Deafening Crash, 1 x BoM
I just need to find 2 more BoM with a little luck and GG boys
@oblique garnet
Did you get your triple stacks yet?
silk mortar
Obviously we are good, a big nerf is probably unlikely to come but a smaller one sure
Also i noticed you died to volcanic >;)))
primal crypt
I did lmao
silk mortar
😄
primal crypt
Right at the start
The little four pack of mobs
I think I got trapped by the vile or something and just brain farted
Legit deer in headlights lol
silk mortar
haha
plain silo
I mean it's more about people in your group not pulling super high dps more than Prot being broken
although you're not super high either
I did the same yesterday, ended up at 22k as fury, prot war was at 19k
primal crypt
That's still pretty close in numbers
As a tank I mean
To be fair, I have no idea what other tanks look like overall
astral crystal
i was bursting 25-28k on jadefire mythic, on pull, that was pretty lit
primal crypt
If other tanks are pulling the same numbers we are
Then we have nothing to worry about
We also have to factor in the dmg these dps are bringing as well
We have to be able to keep threat off them
Imagine skittish as a tank thats not prot 😂
silk mortar
Yuck
plain silo
I mean prots aren't OP in raid damage-wise
it's just M+ being very favorable to Avatar and talents
plain silo
Since we don't bring AoE grip/grip/aoe silence etc like DH/DK
I think that's fine to have a counterpart
astral geyser
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/21#class=Tanks&difficulty=4&dataset=80 theres a gap between prot and the rest but were still in the lower half of parse count so its not like its a major thing
primal crypt
LoS is a tool all tanks should be using anyway
lucid bough
the moment that they nerf warrior damage
primal crypt
Especially with the grave bolts
astral crystal
i dont think warr damage is gonna get nerfed, that's our niche this expac the same way that was vdh niche last expac
silk mortar
My dps has yet learn how to LoS
lucid bough
^
silk mortar
Gets oneshotted
lucid bough
and btw, reaping on bridges just suck ass
sometimes you dont see the purple or the green aoe
or on stairs
astral geyser
im so mindful of reaping hell of alot more fun than infested
i think its a greater incentive to plan your pulls now
astral geyser
yeah ive got that one
primal crypt
Also says in a deep voice
That reaping is happening
It's quite enjoyable
And put it somewhere you'll actually look
Kinda crazy though
My group is right back to 15s
Even after they did the retune on keys
The 3 level change doesn't seem to have taken any toll
astral geyser
kinda countered with the ilvl jump
anyone else having nameplate issues with reaping?
astral geyser
ive got every single nameplate option ticked and still only see some mobs
yeah got kui
primal crypt
The threat is all jacked up
astral geyser
might try platter again
primal crypt
I constantly think that i dont have threat on some mobs
astral geyser
my group are like "yeah this thing is htting me"
astral geyser
right
astral crystal
so bored at work bois
uneven mason
first boss mythic loot pinata
astral crystal
good to see method's kept prot warr in on jaina
ye mactier, first three bosses are pretty free
uneven mason
astral crystal
very easy
opulence is when shit starts to get fucked
so much personal responsibility
modern brook
I have an OP Atal path
Or rather I made one last night
Dealing with reaping is super fun for me
big optimization shit before you even enter keys
primal crypt
Coffee....
modern brook
banned
sick sentinel
Atal is all fun and games
primal crypt
Need more coffee
modern brook
oh i assumed you were adding yogurt to that
primal crypt
My group doesnt want atal anymore
sick sentinel
Then you reach yashma
modern brook
Yazma isnt that big of a deal imo
its mostly just spider management
i dont think ppl realize how you stack matters
sick sentinel
She has 12 mil hp in a +15
uneven mason
Those shit spider spawnd don't despawn
sick sentinel
When your pug rogue dies while clearing though
modern brook
b e t t e r s t a r t p u m p i n g
uneven mason
TFW DPS can't step on them when they're small
primal crypt
Lmao
uneven mason
hint - they have swirls
modern brook
yazma is the most legion boss imo
shes a complete joke until shes not
i just dont think ppl realize how to handle her shit
cause you dont have to until you HAVE to
astral crystal
i kept my old atal path, we got ghosts at living side pull, pack on the bridge before volkal, after pack at the first gate, then we skip the final reaping
modern brook
that sounds roughly like what i did tbh
we had rogue warlock so we go to super-easy skip the trash before snot man
not that it mattered our tank had like 7 stacks of the bleed on the other pack and just didnt care
sick sentinel
Normal?
modern brook
normal the only parse man
small storm
normal is for the big bois kappa
uneven mason
Would have too
small storm
tanked everything ontop of eachother
modern pulsar
Can you link your armory?
uneven mason
Trying to explain to healers "why are you all the way over there now" on Rastakahn
Solo tank BWanboi
uneven mason
Because, Alliance order
modern brook
The alliance is a fake faction though
uneven mason
Says the faction that is made of Ducttape and twine
oh and zombies
mostly zombies
modern brook
all im saiyng
For * the * a* lie* ance*
thats 2 extra syllables
the horde has frame advantage on every fight
litterally cannot win
uneven mason
TFW Horde Xmogs when the swap happens puts us in blue cloaks
Seems to me the Maghar are questioning their choices
astral crystal
i've grown to appreciate being a draenei
the alliance tmog they give you is so good
when you get swapped
wary gyro
I just wish dranei shields weren't tiny
astral crystal
yeah tauren shields are a FeelsGoodMan
wary gyro
Like the ghuun shield is barely a buckler on dranei
small storm
@modern pulsar my armory?
young oasis
guys, any tips for Champions of Light Mythic? Im on boss
uneven mason
What ya need help with?
young oasis
dunno, about to pull it
uneven mason
When they do prayer of the fallen
leap like you're the hulk and get max distance
clear stacks
solo tank that bitch
uneven mason
can't reflect anymore
many sads
use it on her judgement
make sure your healersk now you're gonna clear up
cause mine were like WHY U OVER DERE
Also, if you get blinded you're going to probably die
cause she'll crack you in the back
uneven mason
Sacred Blade
Oh
What are you leaping during
Prayer of the fallen
its a build up cast then channel
its a long one
astral crystal
yeah you can drop stacks during prayer
you cant reflect stacks anymore?
da fucc
brisk ferry
are shields similar to weapons where it's very rare to get them to Warforge?
astral crystal
also if necessary boss swap when adds are dead
they can only forge 10 levels @brisk ferry
astral crystal
rarity is relevant, it's all rng
brisk ferry
ty
astral crystal
relative**
wary gyro
I believe shields are classified as weapons for those purposes
uneven mason
@astral crystal they also doubled its duration so reflecting stacks is pretty inconsequential
its a 18s dot now rather than a 11s
so you'd need 2 relfects
astral crystal
idk i recall having to switch on our mythic kill
uneven mason
but generally I can truck it to the other side and clear
I just did it lastnight
no need to swap
just book it
during Prayer
I had to use a lock portal once to give myself a bit more distance
cause they had refreshed it JUST before going into the cast
Same with Bwonboi
on heroic anyway
he gets a cast bar - leap
I take him to the left corner facing the throne and then leap to the throne to clear my stacks
MIght not work on Mythic tho
I'll see in a few weeks
unborn island
Better off keeping reflect for when it's about to hit you after the leap? Make the timing less iffy
uneven mason
can't reflect stacks~
going reiterate that - they nerfed, SR On stacks
So, its best to use SR whenyou're going to take a big magic hit
or reckoning
wary gyro
When did they change that?
unborn island
Sorry - didn't read the whole thread
unborn island
Is there a thread with prot-specific tips for dungeon bosses/The BFDA bosses?
I've seen the general guide in the pins, was wondering if there's anything more specific
bitter girder
hi all, i am sort of new to warrior for this expantion. How are warriors doing now after the buffs we got in 8.1? for high m+ and mythic rading?
wary gyro
Warriors are some of the best tanks atm
unborn island
We're currently being used by Method to tank Mythic Jaina - so probably not too bad
modern brook
Warrior sucks more buffs plz
bitter girder
okey, i main a Brw Monk and had a guardain druid for my alt but was looking to swap it for something better
uneven mason
We're currently the top performing DPS spec for M+
modern brook
^
bitter girder
how do u survive in M+? without uptime on SB or are we delaying pulls to let it recharge?
uneven mason
wat
brisk ferry
wut
wary gyro
Wut
modern brook
If you cant maintain SB uptime you're messing up your rotation
bitter girder
okey
bitter girder
ohh okey
wary gyro
With am you should have defensive up pretty much always
wary gyro
First boss of raid
uneven mason
narp we had someone who neeeded to take off after we 2 pulled the first boss
so we went back to heroic
only doing 1 day a week mythic right now.
#casual
mental scarab
Did they change the io score so failed runs dont give score🤔
uneven mason
depeting keys I don't think ever gave score?
Or do yo mean, missing the timer
It could be that you botched the timer so badly that you didn't make it on the leaderboard for your realm?
modern brook
^
this is a free week
and we're late into it
IF you're not doing high-ish keys relatively well you're probably not getting recorded
uneven mason
be ona low pop dumpster fire like Turalyon
modern brook
specifically if everyones on fairly populated servers
uneven mason
the only person that pushes keys here is Jdot
I mean, he's like one of the #1 pushers worldwide
but he's the only one
modern brook
Although i believe blizzard says a +10 in 4 hours is better than a 3chest +9
so thats worth noting
wary gyro
He's saying. Blizzard gives you better rewards if you fail the 10
stark sage
tbf i cant imagine a group being able to +3 9 and not being able to succeed a 10
honest canopy
So our best DPS trinkets are, Rezan and the Knot form Underroot?
honest canopy
Ah forgot
modern brook
@uneven mason i said blizzard
a 3 chested 9 is a lower key level then a 10 in 4 hours
ie: the 10 is higher on the leaderboard
even if 3rd party io says its worth less (and it 100% is)
so if the leader board is full
mystic fog
Hey warriors! Is engineering head worth crafting and using for m+ ?
modern brook
And the lowest is a 10 in four hours
You cant get ranked for a 9
no matter how well you do
uneven mason
Borys yes.
modern brook
If you're an engineer already yeah
I dont think its worth swapping and grinding
though others would argue that
mystic fog
ok thanks 😉
wintry ermine
Why do you think method swapped a warrior in for jaina? I would have thought a prot pala would be best for jaina because of spellwarding
and bubble
modern brook
🤷 block is op in the first half the fight innit?
wary gyro
Also better cleave for getting people out of blocks quickly
wintry ermine
block and movement is great for jaina, but I would have thought the ice blocks would have been the hardest things for jaina
mental scarab
But i was almost 1000 io then suddenly 650
wintry ermine
not saying we're not great for jaina, just thought prot pallie would be optimal
wary gyro
New season reset things
primal crypt
Prot warrior is also very mobile
In case you really need to move out of the icy patches
Leap for days
wary gyro
Yeah meanwhile pally has Jack and shit for mobility