any tips? like what conditions do you want to need to bop the tank during a throw?
#protection
naive panther
Bop is nice if you have a bleed and are getting thrown. We just bopped third throw and let that person eat all the bleeds. And then 6th but that takes two bops
sick sentinel
@grand tiger no
oblique garnet
FeelsBadMan champions of light mythic is a joke
daring marlin
yeah dude
I was having isp issues
and they killed it on the second pull
that I DC'd on
oblique garnet
We ignored every tactic and full mongo pulled t and killed it
daring marlin
I had some insane burst too ๐ฆ
timber nest
@naive panther whgats the significance of 3rd throw and 6th throw?
neon tangle
@oblique garnet I definitely think our biggest mistake was trying to do the mechanics
The tank swap makes no sense on that fight
sick sentinel
3tank it
That's the mechanic
If your raid sucks anyway
If they don't you 2tank and barrier
neon tangle
I think we will just ignore mechanics and kill her next time
naive panther
@timber nest it's when the raid is taking the biggest tantrums for us
timber nest
@naive panther Is it every 3rd throw that happens?
so what im gathering about mythic grong, use a personal CD or call for one if your getting thrown with a DoT, if you only have the crushed debuff dont worry?
quick lily
just picked up a 390 jes' howler trinket but currently using a 385 knot of ancient fury and 380 Xalzaix's Veiled eye, should i switch one of them out for it or just keep the ones i have
lusty grotto
veiled eye cause its a piece of shit
quiet relic
2 bastion of might or 2 defing crashes?
lusty grotto
wasnt me
sick sentinel
Why the fuck is there a Prot tab on BM
undone sun
on what
sick sentinel
Bloodmallet
lusty grotto
oh god
i cant wait for people coming in here saying bloodmallet is right, and everyone else is wrong
sick sentinel
Holy shit, that hectic add cleave trinket suggestion
Yeah, HASTE IS GOOD FOR AOE
Oh no
Sweet child oh no
lusty grotto
well
lusty grotto
HAHAHAHAH
sick sentinel
Yeah
lusty grotto
this is gonna be good
sick sentinel
You know what
Its fine
If less people go BoM
It won't be nerfed
Also fucking christ, a generic trait BETTER than BoM
for hectic
Guess you can't trust sims for EVERYTHING
lusty grotto
are there sims for warrior dps now? did i somehow miss this
undone sun
not reliable enough
undone sun
but there are "working" sims
sick sentinel
Wake me up when we get real sims
lusty grotto
yeah was just gonna ask where the fuck BM is getting these numbers
hoo boy, cant wait to be told i have the wrong traits
karma is a bitch
this is gonna happen because of my snide whispers to people having the wrong talents
i gotta start doing that again
and of course pasting here like before
i predict many warriors getting rekt by using treacherous
undone sun
๐ค how oftne are you below 20% for that to matter
lusty grotto
on fort weeks, it happens
sick sentinel
Forget that shit
lusty grotto
and im pretty sure most warriors going for dps are running M+
sick sentinel
The actual fuck u not using one BoM in M+
lusty grotto
this week, not so much
im not actually worried about regulars here, we could probably be effective with it
sage rose
guys, should i focus in haste and versa or haste and mastery ? i see some logs that have a shit ton of mastery
lusty grotto
but the drones of people coming in here thinking prot is shit because they are getting deleted on whatever content due to treacherous yikes
you should not focus on any
focus on ilvl
if equal ilvl then haste above all
neon tangle
@lusty grotto I mean DC might end up being more dps
~415 DC gives you 469 damage / target , right?
on 5 targets thats ~781 dps (assuming 1 DC per 3s, more with haste)
unkempt fox
hey guys, bloodsport vs IF on monkey mythic?
neon tangle
For however accurate the sims are, mastery is my lowest for damage done
neon tangle
I mean I'd still take BoM since it offers more defensive value
especially when you REALLY want to be able to stay in a pack in m+
astral crystal
come back thyme
undone sun
hello im back @astral crystal
daring marlin
I'll stick with BoM
daring marlin
sup
astral crystal
neon tangle
@low lynx who's that?
looks like there's been a good mix of tanks in m BoD so far
BDK, pally, warrior, monk at least
not a great time to be VDH or bear
low lynx
spec *
lusty grotto
right, i was wondering who you were
junior ivy
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
astral crystal
come back, white man
spark mortar
Generally at how many stacks are we juggling the Mage on Jadefire back and forth?
neon tangle
However many it takes so that you can steal all the mini game stacks from your cotank
But for real 10 is probably safe
On heroic
merry cave
We were doing 13-14ish just taunting after mini game. Seemed to work out fine
coarse narwhal
BIS trinkets for prot warriors GO
steel mauve
what grip?
steel mauve
it's physical...
undone sun
modern brook
K
If you spell reflect before the grip it stops the dot from being applied
and the impact is magic damage regardless
or rather nature
reef tendon
Is it up long enough for it to still negate the magic damage of the impact?
*lessen the impact
modern brook
If the target runs far enough back for you to fit a global in during flight yeh
otherwise no
It'd get consumed blocking the DoT
(and your stunned until you can act in air)
thats my experience at least
reef tendon
hmmmmm things to think about
brittle elm
does the spell reflect WA not work for anyone else?
vestal moat
ugh, tough one 415 vers/ crit ring from JAdefire masters or 400 haste mastery from jaina?
potent anvil
425 grong trinket as prot. is ithe play? ๐ค
primal crypt
@potent anvil y tho
bitter crest
@brittle elm Doesn't work for me either. Already ask in the ui-weakauras-addons-channel, but there was no response
brittle elm
ahk allgood mate ty for the response
little rain
Anyone have a weakaura that tracks the diamond shield value remaining on you and the other tank, for Opulence?
potent anvil
@primal crypt scales with haste, does pretty good ST dps
sand egret
lol
undone sun
big unluck
sand egret
im still in shock
lavish oracle
Is it just me or are +10 PUGs unusually bad this week?
sick sentinel
7k dps good for prot warrior ilvl 386? m +
blazing prism
ay does SRing the fire debuff on jadefire explode on the raid when the boss stack expire?
blazing prism
nah p sure it still does just wanted to confirm
orchid sand
@Drclaw not really
lavish oracle
@outer dew Had a Siege 10 group where literally no one in the goup knew any of the mechanics, I could swear it was all of their first time in the dungeon
wiped like 4 times to the first boss before our healer quit
and then I did it on 12 and it was smooth, it's just something about 10 groups
fair brook
The heal and haste would stack for Bonded Souls, right? Just not any higher proc rate?
lavish oracle
Right, Calav
fair brook
Follow up, if i have 2 of the traits, that makes sense to stack. What if my OT also has 2 of them, will it stack to 4? Or, 2 seperate 2 stack haste buffs?
lavish oracle
Not sure
fair brook
Ya, I'm curious. I doubt highly it would refresh duration if his proc'd but that would be amazing. Its rated pretty low on bloodmallet for dps, but I think it could be interesting to play around with
fair brook
Just had a 10 temple key that derps could not move out of cyclone strike. ๐ฆ
healer and I solo'd the last 20% or so.... only took 5 min
rapid tide
Bonded Souls is intriguing me so much atm.
I am trying to grab both pieces with it to see how good it feels...
Like it looks really good in logs imho
And if both tanks have it and can buff each other and it stacks...
That's a lot of haste to be had :3
fair brook
I just did an 8 waycrest, my bonded souls was 22% of my healing. 2.4 mil for the run
rapid tide
dang...
fair brook
I have 2 of the traits
rapid tide
Ye, I am definitely rolling for those pieces on hc ๐
Ye, 2 is max, it's only on shoulders and chest iirc.
Shoulders Grong and chest by Rasta and Mekka iirc.
fair brook
Its 17.2k healing every 5 seconds, for 15, so 3 ticks of 17k, it has about a 35% uptime
rapid tide
I mean tbh that's quite nice numbers.
fair brook
my 2 pieces are 400
fair brook
ya, again, im just looking at a m+ on details, all kinds of silly stuff in there, vs in raid
lol, just got my 2nd 400 trinket... Merektha's fang. Oh, remember the good old days in the first 2 weeks Mr. Fang? lol
fair brook
huhwhut? gotta link?
rapid tide
rapid tide
And he only has 1 of it.
fair brook
lol, i thought you meant the fang
fair brook
np, np, ... any other raid members have it?
brittle elm
http://puu.sh/CF1GU/86517fd0a1.jpg anyone know if its worth using
rapid tide
In that log a lot had
So it might be that when tank gets the buff it shows as "originating from them"
fair brook
Spore isnt baaaaaad. I'd throw it on, just depends on what content you're doing and what your alternatives are
rapid tide
@brittle elm as sorry as I am that trinket is mostly considered rather garbage afaik.
In comparison to other trinkets that is.
But ye, depends on alternatives.
fair brook
Its all relative, ya? I mean, if you're doign content where you think the heal may help, sure... but in general, not really
outer dew
temple is my highest key, some sad times
rapid tide
๐ My highest is a Shrine.
outer dew
hmm
fair brook
Like, I'd wear that sporepod if my alternative was a 385 w/ no avoid or socket
just the str and avoid is nice
outer dew
probably will start pushing friday
fair brook
highest is a 12 atal so far. sadly a lot friends off this week. I'm trying to hit 400ilvl and drag guildies through
crimson furnace
morning lads
rapid tide
We are currently just getting all 10s done basically.
Atm we prefer the gear over the score ๐
fair brook
396 tank here, but w/ fang... lul
rapid tide
387 :^)
fair brook
Eh, its about how you swing it. ๐ I"m very average on skill, so I try to overgear. Helps to know who ya are.
rapid tide
I'm average, my gear is average and I raid average.
Soooo ๐คท
My only above average quality is that I can remember mechanics etc. relatively well so I do some calls in raid for the more obscure stuff.
Oh and all that WA stuff for the guild ๐
fair brook
Yup, me and my 70ish % parses will just be over here in the corner, slowly chuggin through content. Oh man, we have a new lock.... its a guildie's wife. She's parsing grey and... its... its rough. Socially, can't bench her while we're in heroic, but she's out for mythic
rapid tide
Oh, we won't be touching mythic anyways until crossrealm opens
As usual we have too many people that don't have the time.
fair brook
we will be stuck on h. stormwall for a while, i can tell
fair brook
oh.. i know shudders
"Okay everyone, stack to save space. Melee, get in each other's asses. Ok, good. Now, spray is coming, move" (2 melee go splat)
rapid tide
classic.
neon tangle
This week is silly easy
honest pike
so i got a 370 wrist with socket and a 380 wrist no socket... 370 is the way to go correct? cause its only 10ilvl difference..aint much
rapid tide
95% I'd say the 380.
But wrists have super low secondaries.
So the 40 might be worth it.
I'd sum up the secondaries and see the difference
secondaries on 380 - secnodaries on 370
honest pike
that's what i was thinking cause 10 armor aint shit compared to the 40 haste extra i can get
rapid tide
Do the sum, if it's like 20+ I'd go with 380 for sure.
Because armor + stam + str is higher, too.
honest pike
okay yeah i see a difference that might make the 380 better than socket
appreciate it
sick sentinel
That feel when running mythic 10 temple, everything is going well only 2 minutes to timer on final boss and stand in 2 lightning circles and get obliterated for 300k
sick sentinel
Big dick group and wants tiny wiener bdk ? ๐ค jeez
is the lingering sporepods trinket garbage?
vocal nimbus
pretty garbo
sick sentinel
I tried it out at either 340 or 325 around launch and it doesn't do much cuz it doesn't go off often enough to b useful
strong forum
I have 410 version of it does like 1m healing in a +10
It's eh
Might be better at higher keys, have only done 1 after raid yesterday
But so far seems shit
rapid tide
From all I have ever heared and tested myself it's shit.
strong forum
@sick sentinel you want to be at 10k dps minimum at 386, with 397 im at 16k overall dps in m+
rapid tide
I would be happy to be proven wrong but that's currently my opinion ๐
strong forum
Defensive trinkets in general are shit
rapid tide
The Opulence one is quite legit.
vocal nimbus
i'd gladly take the opulence's diamond with me everywhere
strong forum
Opulence trinket seems good ye, but that's about it
hollow thorn
does like 5% of ur dmg
rapid tide
Dang, that's more than I expected.
rapid tide
Rather recently, 1-3 weeks?
I think it's not really all gucchi yet though? Not sure.
Looking in the APL it really goes all out for dps, using shield block only when SS is up just before the SS so you can buff multiples in one block etc.
Also permanent low dmg taken to generate rage
And so on.
I would take it with a big grain of salt imho.
Also permanently having a 2nd target available for intercept rage generation
rough egret
ah, well I didnt noticed that
round vortex
M+ Pog lol
rapid tide
๐ juicy
primal crypt
Jaina trinket is definitely top tier
round vortex
sooo horny about that shield lol
rotund heart
Hey guys/gals - any recommendations for the โsweet spotโ on being dispelled for reaping stacks? I suggested like 15-17 for healer. Thinking by the time Iโm back to those numbers dispell would be up
rapid tide
I mostly leave it to the healer.
If they are comfortable with 20 then why not.
We mostly went with ~15-20 atm.
ivory ridge
Cant find this answer for the life of me so thought id ask. Does spell reflect's reduction in magic damage effect AoE magic damage? Since the spell wont be reflected would it effectively be a reduction in magic damage taken from that AoE?
for its duration
rapid tide
Ay.
It reduces magic damage taken by 20% flat
It lasts for 5s or until you reflected a spell
The two things are not connected basically.
ivory ridge
Ok cool so if a massive AoE spell goes out it'd be a decent mitigation tool
sick sentinel
Yup
ivory ridge
Thanks!
rapid tide
Whenever you take magic damage of any sort it's a valuable tool ye ๐
Does not even have to be aoe
sick sentinel
Remember you can also use Shield Wall as well to help reduce that damage
ivory ridge
Right i use it on certain boss mechanics. Always keeping that shield wall game strong :)
Alright well might just ask here and save the googling time next time
thanks! Recently started raid tanking in BoD and having a blast
rapid tide
Prot is ๐
steady dragon
Boys are there any improvements to think of that wowanalyser doesn't cover? (already checkign on my block % manually)
rapid tide
Oh I see.
Ye based no Legion values.
yikes ๐
Generally you can always dive really deep into analyzing your logs.
I think the most important things you should look for is: Rage Generation. Seeing it often that people generate >30-40% less rage than possible which is a huge drop in available IP and CDs.
Cooldown usage: Basically that you actually did use them for the heavy stuff but also did not waste and overlap them.
Avatar uptime is a big thing for your dps, you want it up every 40-55 seconds roughly.
I think if you can manage those things it's mostly a matter of "did I die or feel close to death a lot?"
sick sentinel
@steady dragon You need to be looking at your Demo shout, IP and SB casts
plucky viper
good morning all my shield bearing soldiers
steady dragon
also, if im charge+avatar and just going on ham on boss, but not holding threat, and getting lucky slam procs, is it viable to just "waste" rage by refreshing IP even though im not taking any dmg?
had this issue on grong
and cheers, ill compare my casts/rage gen to other logs ^^
steady dragon
cheers
lusty grotto
๐ข ๐ต ๐
brisk ferry
running more +10s and really enjoying Reaping now, with a decent group it's quite fun. Plus the added benefit of actual drops
not to mention TD is a fucking joke with Reaping
WM was quite easy as well
astral crystal
yeah reaping is actually fun
brisk ferry
I find myself actually paying attention to % completed so I can be sure to have Avatar up.
it's fun
oblique garnet
Howler yikes
austere oar
im getting flamed by my guildmates every reaping spawn lmao
how the fuck does a tank do so much dps thats bullshit
brisk ferry
yeah I know all my DPS, in discord they do the same lol
signal plover
Thems the kinda folk that's gonna git us nice n nerfed ya heer
brisk ferry
@oblique garnet dont like Howler?
signal plover
Reaping is so much better than ghuunys tho.
oblique garnet
@brisk ferry 2 min cd is too long imo
old zephyr
we have a little game with te rogue I run M+ with
Whoever keeps 100K+ DPS the longuest on reapings win
brisk ferry
@oblique garnet ah dang I actually didn't notice the CD on it. I got from the last dungeon we ran and haven't had a chance to use it.
brisk ferry
I planned to pop it with Avatar, but I guess it'll be up for every OTHER avatar. I dont have great trinkets yet so it'll be a filler for now
versed cipher
Greetings
signal plover
Henlo
versed cipher
I did not know this Skyhold discord was a thing.
I recently changed to prot from arms since arms keeps changing. Just haven't gotten my feet wet yet.
old zephyr
You'll be able to do real DPS now, it was a good choice ๐
lucid bough
versed cipher
Very true, honestly this may be an unpopular opinion but I miss Lambs to the Slaughter.
So did mythic dungeons change or just M+?
robust bronze
Dose anyone use Threat Plates addon, and have done m+ 10s? i am having a problem that i only see the threatplate of the target i have and not the rest of reaping adds
all other adds works fine
versed cipher
Well I need to start slow as not to screw any other group members over.
old zephyr
I have the same issue with elvui.
Snakes also do that on 2nd boss in temple
inland mesa
None of my threat add ons have worked for reaping adds yet either
broken roost
Booty clap and you'll have threat ++
But mine don't either - all reapings show up as no threat even after taunt
sick sentinel
Are you guys going for item level on azerite traits? for m+, or take pieces with bom for example but 390
modern brook
I asked last night but everyone said I'm crazy
On heroic Grong we can use Spell reflect to stop the DoT from the grip
vocal nimbus
Are you crazy?
modern brook
Is that better than using it mid flight to mitigate the impact damage?
vocal nimbus
If you can stop the grip's damage i'd do that
modern brook
also @shut summit can you look into confirming this for your spell reflect/ blockable guide?
I'm like 98% positive it stops the dot application but doesnt apply it to grong
which is to say "def used it early and heard the spell reflect noise + didnt get the dot"
vocal nimbus
Maybe you are just so strong that you didnt fell the damage
modern brook
while true; my bars show all active dots and i didnt get the one for grip
silk mortar
Dont think you get one for the grip, atleast ive never noticed
modern brook
You def do its like 26k/s for 5 s (on heroic)
strong forum
๐พ ๐ช ๐ช ๐น
boreal patrol
390 vers/crit ring with socket vs 405 vers/mastery ring?
silk mortar
Well im going there soon so might as well check if it works that way
modern brook
Its the dot before the throw
@boreal patrol I would go Ilvl over socket there
both are decent options depending on the rest of your items
rings are hard but 15 ilvls is a lot of stamina ๐คท
boreal patrol
Yeah, probably just go with the 405 then, thanks
boreal patrol
True, I have a lot of crit atm. Spamming m+ and keep getting crit + vers stuff
modern brook
crits really good for M+
Like all our stats are good ๐คท
Everything on prot is good
We're the best
old zephyr
RL yesterday :
"hmm lads, why is the tank top 4 DPS ?"
They weren't even That bad
inland mesa
Hmm debating on 410 wraps or 395 xalvex
old zephyr
we are so definitely the best
old zephyr
me clap
modern brook
Who needs sheild block when you can revenge instead?
dang revenge requires 1hers
I wanted 2h prot to be real
Avatar Stomp revenge
austere oar
feelsgoodman
modern brook
TANk
old zephyr
mhh jes' is not THAT good of a trinket due to long CD
austere oar
still good on avatar use
modern brook
I have a 395 vial that I love becuase the animation is the same as potting
austere oar
approx. a flat 10% dmg increase for 12secs
modern brook
So i can just use that and my RL thinks im prepotting :^)
versed cipher
So for tanking mythics would it be better to just jump in or is there a good place to prepare that wouldn't hinder other players?
modern brook
Mythic + is something you just sorta learn by doing
honest acorn
If you know a general route and what mobs do, start low and work your way up. Don't jump straight into medium/high keys if you're not sure
modern brook
IF you've never done a M+ before; id suggest looking into some high level key runs
where they explain what and why
If you have, just try and emulate what you've seen other tanks do
dusk locust
best to dps a couple keys to see what route tanks generally do, then jump in
dusk locust
high level runs might be doing things too complex for a pug
modern brook
because Warriors depend on knowing what kinda damage they're taking at any given time more than any other tank
and that changes a lot in keys
Fair but understanding skips and when/why to do them is integral to any key
Like why would you pull things after 1st boss in Momload?
dusk locust
yeah for sure
for a beginner though i'd say just pull whatever
learn the mechanics of the packs
modern brook
^ also good advice
I just think learning what you should be doing before you're able to do it is important
dusk locust
i typically death skip the whole middle section b/t rock boss and shooty boss in motherlode. imagine we wiped and had to do them and i'd never done it before
modern brook
Momload i overpull pre-first boss, shroud to 2nd after you go up the ramp, do the mandtory to 3rd and death skip to 4th
its fast enough and relatively straightforward for a pug to handle
broken roost
Must pull virtually everything pre-first then hey? To skip two other segments
modern brook
@versed cipher the quick and dirty intro to keys is "learn by doing" and "do your research"
dont be afraid to fuck some pugs key over
I mean dont try to
dusk locust
yeah you're gonna deplete a bunch of keys and people are going to be salty
it's fine
modern brook
but If it happens chalk it up to a learning experience
dusk locust
it's why there are so few tanks
neon tangle
@broken roost yeah you pull a lot of the stuff before the first couple bosses
modern brook
Also like 90% of the time ppl blame the tank its generally literally any one else's fault
"why is our tank paper" - says the dps with no interrupts
dusk locust
the vast majority of keys i've seen depleted were b/c dps pulled w/o the tank
broken roost
I just realized yesterday that I've never done a Shrine in time on my warr :/
dusk locust
no joke
broken roost
Was still 1300 IO in S1 but no shrine in time lol
modern brook
shrines one of the harder warrior dungeons imo
neon tangle
I mean the tank is also the most obvious one of something messes up
modern brook
Also watch @shut summit 's stream because sense is the M+ prot guy
modern brook
Also @oblique garnet is more active in this channel than sense and equally as good at M+ if you have other questions and need someone's good opinion
modern brook
Its a free week
You're gunna be a god this week and get shit on next
its going to feel bad
prime hornet
is Servant Splitter that dropes from WM worth it?
old zephyr
There is some mechanics you don't do as prot though
modern brook
?
versed cipher
I don't mind an easy week. Helps learn some stuff. I'll take all this in to account and give it a hell of a go.
modern brook
๐ช
dont be afraid to use cooldowns on trash
thats another thing new M+ers dont do
versed cipher
Would running heroics help at all?
modern brook
^vture
im excited to start pushing M+ this week
Havent had a chance between raid and work
Also im a raid tank now everyone
:^)
versed cipher
I may just run M 0 until I understand what I am doing and then go from there.
modern brook
What ilvl are you?
versed cipher
374 I believe
oblique garnet
Equally good as sense im blushing :>
signal plover
Don't get penisey kid
lusty grotto
that's why late is on teamchip
modern brook
๐คท I trust your opinion over my own, Late
lusty grotto
ok ok settle down now bull
modern brook
@versed cipher I wouldnt get too comfortable on M0s you're going to out gear it to the point that what you need to learn wont be learned*
Shut up nim ๐
lusty grotto
lol
modern brook
Nim did you know you can reflect the grip on Grong?
I'm looking for literally 1 person to confirm this for me. :/
modern brook
๐
modern brook
If anyones doing heroic grong today please try it and confirm im not crazy
what server nim?
lusty grotto
arthas
versed cipher
Gotcha, so maybe I'll just run them all once to get an idea and then head in to the deep end.
modern brook
:yikes:
lusty grotto
you should know where the leader of teamchip is
modern brook
Yeah beard that sounds like an ok idea
lusty grotto
๐ข ๐ต ๐
dusk locust
there are some decent video series on tanking m+ too. i think darkmech has some quick guides to each one
on youtube
neon tangle
Also donโt be afraid to kite if things get too sketchy
Another thing new people to m+ donโt always do
dusk locust
heck i forget to do that
versed cipher
I need to find a laid back guild. My server says medium but not sure I believe that.
neon tangle
Best thing I ever did was transfer to a high pop realm
dusk locust
i wouldn't play on anything other than high pop
neon tangle
Better AH prices, got in a (early) mythic guild in 30s
versed cipher
I enjoy low pop but onlycause of expac releases.
neon tangle
Whatโs good about that?
old zephyr
I'll test grong when I can run him again.
But some things That were said to work/used to don't work anymore
Spell reflect does not prevent the debuff application on mecatorque
You can no longer reset stacks on your own on champion of light
signal plover
@modern brook the impact from the throw is nature dmg. I don't think SR lasts long enough because he holds u for 5 secs
modern brook
If your DPS runs you far enough you cna get a global in while you're in the air
You can spell reflect there for the impact damage
signal plover
I won't be on grong again til Tuesday to try that
modern brook
and if you spell reflect before you get grabbed in the combo, it prevents the dot applicaiton
versed cipher
@neon tangle Less clutter of people in starting areas. Also generally no queue to get in.
modern brook
At least; thats my experience from prog on it last night
signal plover
The physical dot?
modern brook
yeah
signal plover
U got logs?
neon tangle
@versed cipher with sharding you donโt really get that any more even on high pop realms
modern brook
yeah but im too much of a monkey to know how to check them
modern brook
plz no bully for 3 hour heroic progression :^( https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JYXC6jfNQM1L9wHD/
versed cipher
Oh maybe things have changed. Maybe I'll make my KT on one of the high pop realms when they release.
daring marlin
bullying you already
modern brook
I said plz :^(
I've never raid tanked before lol
as a warrior*
also we were down like 7 ppl
neon tangle
I haaaated learning fights as a warrior
versed cipher
I have only tanked as warrior raid wise in FF14.
old zephyr
I have no Idea where you can see reflected stuff ...
sand egret
๐ข ๐ต ๐
modern brook
Yeah :/
signal plover
You were attempting to do it on that log yeah?
modern brook
Wipe 22 Spell reflect lasts for only a second or so.
I dont take bestial throw, but i do take impact
at 4min 10s
i think thats the reflect
oblique garnet
@modern brook not to brag or anything but sense is 1550 score im 1500 Kappa
modern brook
i could be wrong
I think i may have died
That might not be what im talking about ๐ฆ
:^)
thats cause ur a god late
ur like the hercules to sense's zues
modern brook
If u aint first you're probably not korean
oblique garnet
this season i might actually have a chance to get to rank 1 spot tho
actually playing with 2.5k people from last season
modern brook
K found it
signal plover
@modern brook grong took no dmg from impact so it's not a true reflect
signal plover
But there's some you mitigated 100k ish on
modern brook
Its not reflecting but it is preventing the dot from appling to you
I take impact damage but no grip damage
spell reflect gets consumed after 3 seconds
signal plover
Good to know
modern brook
(and i didnt die on impact ๐ )
signal plover
I don't typically take the throws but I'll check again next week
modern brook
we took them based on the combo generally
signal plover
I did try out intervening the cotank outta throw to help out raid dmg but that trade-off was super sketch
Cuz ur stunned on landing
modern brook
yeah I've found if your dps runs you far enough back you can fit a global in to sneak an IP in before impact damage
modern brook
Oh i just understood what you were saying
Does it prevent the impact damage?
or does it just move it
modern brook
yesterday
signal plover
SR should mitigate the impact dmg
modern brook
I think it does
signal plover
Not remove it
modern brook
im saying the Grip dot you take from being grabbed is removed
modern brook
Oh sorry :^(
signal plover
I'll def try reflecting the grip dot next week
Didn't think a physical spell would be preventable that way
modern brook
I didnt either tbh
signal plover
Like it's def not intended
modern brook
Just fat fingered it early once and heard the noise.
Clean way to stop ~125k damage
dusk locust
wow really i'll have to try that
old zephyr
quick before it gets nerfe
signal plover
If anyone is proving mythic grong they could check
mental scarab
Btw how do you know that you gonna the thrown๐ค
signal plover
He casts throw
dusk locust
he always throws active tank right after the combo
modern brook
throw is the 4th part of the combo always
signal plover
Np
modern brook
IF I'm active, I pop spell reflect on the 3rd part of the combo
generally with an IP
mental scarab
So pop SR right before throw
signal plover
Pretty sure they'll fix this
modern brook
wouldnt doubt it
mental scarab
But can we taunt afther 3 kombo or during the cast?
modern brook
I dont actively try and take the throw
If i have to be active tank for 3 and 4, then I use it
mental scarab
I love to fly
mental scarab
๐
silk moat
what is it about the knot trinket from darkshore that is good for us? critical on demand
modern brook
Crit during avatar, mostly
I think its also passive str which is just generally good. STats in general are very good on prot
modern brook
sick
silk moat
I had a 385 feather that I was using for a bit. To be honest my 380 vial got 1563str on demand felt the best so far
modern brook
I use a 395 vial still
Knots good for the same reason
But itsa shorter CD
so you can have it for every avatar
instead of every 2nd-3rd depending
modern brook
AM reduces avatar to like 50~ depending on rage spending
silk moat
Should I not be using heavy repercussion?
modern brook
Probably not
AM has a lot of synergy with the rest of your kit and talents
AM = more DS uptime = more rage and +15% damage dealt from Booming Voice
silk moat
Wow. Iโve had heavy repercussion on for a damn minute, never switched to AM
modern brook
AM = more LS uptime = better defensive options
silk moat
Yeah that all makes sense
modern brook
Prot in general relies more on its cooldowns than other tanks
silk moat
Heavy repercussion probably better for uldir
modern brook
HR isnt bad
silk moat
AM for m+
modern brook
Just cant really compete with AM
I wouldnt swap of AM until its nerfed or made baseline tbh
every IP is 4 seconds off all of your cooldowns
Avatar, Shout, LS, and SW
silk moat
Shoot. I feel like Iโve been playing myself by not using AM
modern brook
You have lol
Like even if you're not using your fat cooldowns
Avatar shout is something you'll do basically every pull in M+
The more cooldowns you use the more value you get from it
it lets us cycle cooldowns a lot
plus avatar shout is rage gen, etc.
Just an all around good talent to take
silk moat
I see. Usually I've only been able to get avatar off on every 3rd, or at best, every other pull
The extension you get out of using shield slam for shield block was a mininmal benefit I thought
mellow bridge
Should I go for a 2nd DC trait or dagger in the back or thunderous blast?
Got unlucky :/
sweet kettle
I would say second DC trait
Dagger isn't that good as tank and thunderous doesn't look that amazing
The extra dmg on thunder clap will help alot overall in a key
Even more now that we have reaping
oblique garnet
Extra clap damage is always good
vocal skiff
These days I asked about the bandage trinket, thankfully I just got a jes' howler
Do you macro it to Avatar?
lusty grotto
you can
vocal skiff
Is that wise
sand egret
it doesn't sync nicely so you may want to also have another manual hotkey for Jes'
lusty grotto
don't know why it wouldn't be, unless if you need it defensively for whatever reason
eh
pretty sure it does
sand egret
Jes's doesn't at all
lusty grotto
you're right
sand egret
it slides out too far imho
lusty grotto
yeah
sand egret
so I used to treat it as its own CD entirely when I used it. Plus you kinda need to use jes's "properly" anyway for it to be good
(also the reason I'm not a huge fan)
lusty grotto
i mean, when i had mine
i used it offensively
i can't think of a situation where i needed it defensively, except on accidental triple pulls or some bs
but yes, you're right... it shouldn't be macro'ed to avatar
steady fiber
Hey any one could link weakauras, what is like must have for tank ?
fiery pendant
is ancients bulwark any good for us?
fiery pendant
doesnt really mention non spec specific traits at all
lusty grotto
because non spec specific traits are terrible usually
fierce juniper
I wouldn't say they're terrible, quite a few of them are very good on average, just subject to RNG, which is why they're generally not recommended.
fiery pendant
ancients bulwark is just flat vers, figured it was worth asking about
lusty grotto
if it's a straight ilvl upgrade, then it's probably a no-brainer
fiery pendant
more just the trait comparison, its on the inner ring of a piece i just got from WB
lusty grotto
well it helps if you tell us the other traits?
lusty grotto
right
robust bronze
wish?
uneven mason
the 400
lusty grotto
more weapon dmg + str >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socket
daring patrol
Has anyone else had issues with the multistrike on jadefire? Feels like at least one of the strikes was hitting me last night even though I was facing it
uneven mason
gotta be spot on
sand egret
ngl, if there was one thing about the raid I wanna do it's that mechanic
loved doing that in CoEN
daring patrol
It's fun for sure. It's even more fun watching half the raid die to it for the first little while too heh
modern brook
Jadefire mechanic feels really wonky
I've gotten hit by all of them and none of them by doing the same thing each time
lusty grotto
๐
hasty sapphire
Are there pattern on The multistrikes or are they completely random every Time?
sand egret
as long as its a mechanic that isn't trivialized by an addon then im in
lusty grotto
hipster blade
sand egret
more like "old man yells at cloud" blade
daring patrol
The position is random but the colors always go at the same time @hasty sapphire
In the order they spawn, so blue green red green blue
lusty grotto
that still sounds like a hipster blade!
sand egret
"i was using addons before addons were mandatory" would be hipster blade
lusty grotto
ok fine, i'll admit defeat
sand egret
this is "back and my day I just looked at cast bars and didn't need something to spam MOVE all over my screen to tell me i'm standing in shit"
sand egret
surprised there isn't a "Move Me" addon that hits a random direction until you are no longer in something
lusty grotto
yes i agree
sand egret
plus IPAs aint hipster
daring patrol
"I prefer the taste of hops to actual beer"
lusty grotto
i prefer stouts though
lusty grotto
hmm i dont know about this new england style
sand egret
it's basically that car sales meme
wary gyro
An addon like that would probably get cracked down on by blizzard blade
sand egret
but fitting hops in a beer
old night
I went to Seattle back in august and raddlers were everywhere
sand egret
sours was like 4 years ago
old night
but I fucking hate juice with 2% booze
lusty grotto
sours?
sand egret
but the westcoast scene could be diff
lusty grotto
like not beer
old night
sours are beer doof
modern brook
no like sour beers
sand egret
over here it's all this low temp s hit
lusty grotto
what the fuck are sour beers
oblique garnet
What is wrong with you people
old night
the big one rn is 10barrel cucumber (which is actually great)
stark sage
sour beers are good
modern brook
^
oblique garnet
What kind of monster drinks sour beer?
sand egret
sour beers are like the Eagles of beer
lusty grotto
i mean is it a beer that is sour then sure that's cool
sand egret
you love em or you hate em
lusty grotto
Late, get back to your room
stark sage
yeah its a beer that taste sour
oblique garnet
Why
old night
its not terrible
sand egret
you rank 1 yet?
stark sage
usually some kind of fruity overtones
lusty grotto
i mean, ive had sour beer... but i dont think i've ever specifically asked for sour beer
old night
but im not huge on 10 barrel to begin with
oblique garnet
Not yet glickz is rank 1 still but hes been pushing all the time
sand egret
then you basically in last
lusty grotto
wtf glickz the arena warlock?
sand egret
so get to it
old night
its like a weak ass shandy
sand egret
that shit aint around these parts
old night
where you at blade?
lusty grotto
wait did you say 2% fruitiness or 2% alcohol?
sand egret
northeast
old night
im lucky. I live in Phoenix and we have incredible beer here
oblique garnet
2% alcohol and sour beer? Like what
modern brook
north east has good beer wtf are you on blade >.>
old night
sours are solid
lusty grotto
late sour beer is good
oblique garnet
No
lusty grotto
2% alcohol is some pussy ass shit
old night
give the 10 barrel raspberry or cucumber a chance
oblique garnet
I refuse to believe
modern brook
Natty boy
lusty grotto
LOL
old night
yo no shit I'm definitely a beer hipster. NGL at all about that
lusty grotto
that was low bull lol
old night
but in the phoenix heat working on the lawn at my old place
daring patrol
Cucumber...beer...what
old night
it was like 115 out
sand egret
just a keystone ice guy
old night
i came inside and the only thing in the fridge was my old roommates sixer of keystone
oblique garnet
Wait wait
lusty grotto
its 2019, didn't you know beer has tastes?
old night
founders breakfast stout is a godsend
lusty grotto
oatmeal beer stout
sand egret
beer is a tough concept for scandanavians.
old night
I've been having santan sex panther lately
oblique garnet
Oatmeal?
lusty grotto
bruh
old night
yup
lusty grotto
you're like 8 years late Late
oblique garnet
Blade its because we actually have good beer
sand egret
if you ever get a chance to have it, Bannana Bread stout
old night
whoa
sand egret
lol naw you dont
lusty grotto
what the fuck blade lol
old night
who makes that blade
sand egret
honestly i dunno but it's got a monkey on that shit
old night
OH
sand egret
and its dope
old night
THATS UH
oblique garnet
Yeah that confirms it all americans are insane
frosty wedge
ah all of these names are the same - I haven't been around in weeks, lol
lusty grotto
dont knock it until you try it
old night
Victory?
lusty grotto
dont knock it until you try it
old night
I think?
sand egret
naw its Wells Banana Bread Beer
signal plover
Get yourself a pilsner and stop fucking around with bullshit
lusty grotto
๐ค
old night
Late you're like the old fuck at the party with a budlight saying everything else is bad
daring marlin
My boyfriend made me drive 45 minutes to get some banana bread ale.
daring patrol
Thank you @signal plover
lusty grotto
pilsners are good
sand egret
dude he's from Finland
daring marlin
I was not impressed.
sand egret
they have no concept of beer up there
oblique garnet
Budlight Lmao
frosty wedge
I've had a banana bread beer before and it's not bad - but I'm a sour ale kinda guy
sand egret
they be like "yo we drink good beer"
cracks Carlsberg
old night
LOL
frosty wedge
LOL
oblique garnet
Carlsberg is pisswater
old night
dude
oblique garnet
Danes drink that
sand egret
living over there was hilarious
old night
so like i said, my guild flat out knows im a beer hipster right
frosty wedge
I'm from Toronto, I don't think I've had a non micro brew beer in like 4-5 years
sand egret
trying to find a good beer was basically like "leave the country"
old night
so this dude goees "yo film why you always drink that hipster shit. whats wrong with a high life"
sand egret
champagne of beers
lusty grotto
i have non-micro brews all the time cause its the cheapest.. local beer too
signal plover
Yo if I asked about someone's beer and they mentioned "banana bread" anywhere in the response only the looming threat of assault charges would keep me in line
old night
damn paw
sand egret
when i worked in bars that was the go-to
signal plover
It's ridiculous
old night
dont cut yourself on all that edge now
lusty grotto
yikes
frosty wedge
LOL
oblique garnet
@signal plover nah man id take the charges if someone suggested that to me with a serious face
lusty grotto
cmon man paw, are you a whiskey man?
old night
IVE STUDIED THE BLADE
signal plover
I mean c'mon there's a line here fellas
old night
DONT COME AT ME WITH BANANA BREAD
sand egret
it's delicious
lusty grotto
you like that Glenfiddich right
frosty wedge
I'm a Lagavulin man :p
signal plover
You mean you're going banana bread eating
lusty grotto
hey no parks and rec quotes
sand egret
Islay or bust
frosty wedge
dude, Lagavulin is straight up awesome Nim
signal plover
For beer?
oblique garnet
Lagavulin is ๐๐ปshame that its almost 100โฌ a bottle
old night
ya
frosty wedge
it's so good
signal plover
Typically I'd do Stella or any Czech lager imports
lusty grotto
someday i will
lusty grotto
Stella ๐คข
signal plover
Why not
old night
that shit is straight up a foot in a bottle
lusty grotto
what the fuck lol
signal plover
Lol
frosty wedge
you may as well just have someone that just had a good beer piss in a pint glass if you're drinking stella
old night
^^
signal plover
Lel k
lusty grotto
at least say Heineken or XX instead of stella
oblique garnet
How much % is in one american beer?
old night
when a company bottles a wine glass in a 6 pack and its under 12 bucks
you're drinking royalty
frosty wedge
LOL
signal plover
I'm not trying to drink royalty
lusty grotto
depends on the brew late
signal plover
I'ma drink what I love found enjoyable
old night
so are we
oblique garnet
Like typical beer nim
lusty grotto
like mainstream?
signal plover
U are free to make fun of me for stella
lusty grotto
isnt heineken like mainstream?
frosty wedge
the microbrew I usually go to here has anything from like 4% pilsners and light lagers to like 8.5-9% IPAs
signal plover
And I'm free to make fun of you for banana bread
signal plover
But saying that Heineken is better than Stella tells me all I need to know lol
old night
if we're talking mainstream beer that you can get anywhere I'm going to go with sierra nevada pale ale
daring patrol
Going to sit here drinking my steamwhistle
oblique garnet
I wonder if the measurement is the same as it is here
signal plover
Kek
signal plover
U need more boot soup clap to clear your head
old night
or pilsner
oblique garnet
Just drink vodka bois its more healthy anyways Kappa
lusty grotto
titos though?
frosty wedge
I miss when steamwhistle only had one beer
daring patrol
Pilsner
frosty wedge
it was their whole slogan for so long
lusty grotto
im a ketel one man ๐ฆ
daring patrol
I didn't even know they made anything besides Pilsener and I live in Toronto
frosty wedge
"Do one thing... really, really well."
sand egret
I've found that my ๐ข ๐ต ๐ 's hit 20% harder after I've had > 2 beers.
it's IRL potting
old night
yup
lusty grotto
it's a weird balance
sand egret
people wonder why i do 20 second pull timers....