protection

[sick sentinel]

the guide is talking about pure defensive benefit in a raid enviroment

[old zephyr]

the first one is still pretty nic, but Stacking it in raid may not be the best option

[minor kestrel]

Iron Fortress vs blood rite for M+?

what do you guys prefare

[sick sentinel]

generally prot traits are better than general traits

[eager phoenix]

What sort of strategy should you have with residuum in regards to buying random 415 or saving for specific 415? My guild doesn't do Mythic so the highest I will have access to is either 400 from HC raid or 415 via residuum vendor. Is it worth rolling the dice upgrading my current 385 azerites with rando 415? The ilvl bump alone should justify it even if the traits are worst case or do I sit tight, get 400 azerites from HC raid, and eventually upgrade them to specific 415s?

[steady dragon]

would it be worth to drop 5 ilvl to gain haste on a ring?

[lucid bough]

I feel that 7k is too much to spend

you get 4 pieces

with that

same ilvel

but i can be wrong

[sick sentinel]

the play is to always buy random

[soft kindle]

Unless you're already rocking full 415s, random is more worth

[undone sun]

Yeah, don't buy specifics

[eager phoenix]

Ok, thanks. Best of luck in the raid boys!

[candid ledge]

How is shadow of Elune trait fairing_

?*

[sick sentinel]

Not a prot trait

Prot traits> general traits

[unkempt fox]

i guess any trait ＞ 2nd DC trait for raid?

[candid ledge]

DC?

[silk mortar]

Deafening crash

Thunderclap one that gives more sec on demo shout

[candid ledge]

aaaah

[minor kestrel]

did they nerf Unstoppable Force? wasnt it always 100% dmg and ava only reduced the cd of tc?

[old zephyr]

Nope

Always has been during avatar

But you have avatar almost every pull soo..

[minor kestrel]

yea

you tried running Dragon roar? feels like it does way less dmg that tooltip says

[bronze forge]

Does anyone have know if there is any weak auras to help call for def cds as prot. Indomt think I'm managing them as well as I could

[tight tree]

there is externals WAs on wago, also exorsus raid tools addon have module for externals

i personally use ERT

[honest canopy]

Where would you spend your bonusrolls in BoD?

Ic ant really work out where i wanna roll, saved up 6

[old zephyr]

First boss, mecatorque and whatever drops de Shield

[junior igloo]

You can farm the equivalent of heroic pieces (including weapons and shields) in M+.
The exceptions are Azerite pieces and trinkets, so I'd coin for those.

[honest canopy]

Smart.

have to check the loot tables.

Opulence is a nobrainer

Prob Jaina as well

[oblique garnet]

actually 401 without stepping into mythic raid yet feels good man

[tribal schooner]

http://screenshot.su/img/56/68/06/56680677b48fdba5125a629ca67925c0.jpg
quick question for friend: ofc ilvl and +dps is better than stats?

[oblique garnet]

more damage from the servant splitter

[tribal schooner]

kk thank you!

[thin mica]

GS doesn't increase IP effectiveness does it? Cause of ip cap?

[sick sentinel]

https://i.gyazo.com/7e62c82f66f2a15984448d88dddcb012.png

What do you say bois? worth swapping to the new shield?

[tight tree]

yes

[sick sentinel]

ty fam

[tight tree]

for shields always go for higher ilevel, more block rating

[sick sentinel]

thanks :D

Really new as prot so idk anything lol

Former tank quit wow so I stepped up :P

[tight tree]

Situation reversed to mine 😉 I quit raiding and one of guildies stepped up 😅

[sick sentinel]

:P

[plucky viper]

is bolster a passive and just makes last stand amazing?

<new to prot

[tight tree]

Yes and Yes

Use LS to cover gaps between shield block

[split hemlock]

crit is best stat for single target tanking?

[plucky viper]

@tight tree ty 😃

[tight tree]

This and many more is explained by guide in pins 🤓

[broken roost]

For pure DR yes but for actual survival no - still want haste

[plucky viper]

yes i have wowhead up atm also, just making sure

[broken roost]

Check pins :p

[brisk ferry]

Finally had time to do a 10 on the warrior, you guys were right Avatar > Reaping

[old zephyr]

I pulled 120k dps on the reaping yesterday, it was sweet

[honest canopy]

is it worth stacking iron fortress?

or just take one and if no other stuff, take dmg abilities

I just topped dps in the BoD Normal -_-

[heavy chasm]

Reaping is so fun so prot. Much more enjoyable of an affix then ghunnies

[sick sentinel]

somnone know why i cant switch my azerit traits on vendor?

[old zephyr]

For m+ stack IF every Day

[heavy chasm]

Uhh BoM?

And then I'd say IF yeah?

[old zephyr]

3 bom 2 if and 1 DC for m+ is the est setup

[heavy chasm]

Ah yes, definitely concur.

Am unlucky still. Have a fair bit of CR but its okayish for plus

[old zephyr]

Some would say 3 bom 3 dc but I don't think it beats 3 2 1

[heavy chasm]

It at least sees more value in m plus then raid imo

[old zephyr]

CR is... Yikes

[heavy chasm]

I mean its not great. But you take what you get. And it's still damage boost hah

[brisk ferry]

@sick sentinel a friend of mine had the same issue with reforging his azerite pieces from Raid. We weren't able to find a work-around

[sick sentinel]

mh :/ okay

[heavy chasm]

Do you have the piece open?

[sick sentinel]

nope

[heavy chasm]

Obvious question is obvious but I've done it XD

[brisk ferry]

lol good quetion tbh, I dunno about my buddy

[hard sky]

@sick sentinel which lvl is your HoA?

[heavy chasm]

Right spec and all that basic stuff? Any lua errors going on?

[sick sentinel]

21

[hard sky]

there seems to be a bug that if you only have 1 ring and chose smth

you cant change it

the current fix seems to be to lvl up your HoA

then you can reforge it again

[heavy chasm]

Huh well that would probably do it then

[hard sky]

i think ive seen a reddit thread about that

[brisk ferry]

ohh kk thanks

[oblique garnet]

last boss on ur is spicy with volcanic

[honest pike]

Anyone test if you can still drop stacks of bleed in conclave vs kimbul? Blizzard fixed the stack dropping for champion of light so i won’t be surprised if they fixed this one too

[marble cipher]

For champion, with spell reflect you mean?

[honest pike]

They fixed that

But for conclave you can drop kimbuls stacks as well

Bleeding stacks

[marble cipher]

For kimbul I'm dark iron, so, that works

[honest pike]

Right what am asking is does it still work

[dusk locust]

when did that change go in? i was able to drop my stacks still around 9pm eastern on mythic champion with spell reflect

[honest pike]

Or did they fix it

@dusk locust yesterday i did a run and stacks for champion of light are now 14+seconds

Can’t be dropped even if u leap or intervene away

[marble cipher]

We cheese hc, don't know on M, that's tomorrow 🤷

[dusk locust]

there's a point where she casts prayer for the fallen and then something else right after, i spell reflected and it gave me the time i needed

[honest pike]

I just wanna know if the racial still drops all stacks of kimbul bleed

[marble cipher]

Did yesterday

[honest pike]

Alright cool

[shy yarrow]

whats people running for traits mythic plus 10+ up 3 stacks BoM?

[honest canopy]

I hvae non BoM

-_-

So I stack crash and IF

since thats what i have

[royal marten]

Is the Bwonsamdi trinket much good? I've got a prism and a STR +Mastery on use trinket, all same ilvl

[heavy chasm]

Surprisingly enough bop did not drop kimbuls bleed. As our DI pally found out last night trying to solo tank kimbul

[royal marten]

Dark Iron/Dwarf racial does drop it

[heavy chasm]

Needless to say we weren't prepared for it not to work on thatbpull

[royal marten]

if that's an option

[heavy chasm]

I know the racial does. We intending to have him solo tank it though

Anyone know if divine shield or the engineering helm bleed removal work?

[minor kestrel]

got 390 eq with a 370 weapon, finally got a new weap but its Servant splitter from waycrest 405ilvl >.>

rip me

[oblique garnet]

@shy yarrow 3x BoM 1 DC 2x IF

[honest canopy]

Barre lul

[daring marlin]

Damn, nature. You scary!

hahaha

[honest canopy]

@minor kestrel haha i just got that as well

405

[minor kestrel]

OMG

[honest canopy]

In a 9

[minor kestrel]

we could be splitter broez xD

[uneven mason]

its -25 here for me, feels like -55

[honest canopy]

Trying to figure my azerite out

I just have 2 rings in my new pices, my warrior was lvld 1 Day before The new stuff

Only have crash and If so thats all azerite i have, 3x each

[oblique garnet]

@uneven mason is that celcius or?

[sand egret]

doubt it

If he's in the midwest

[oblique garnet]

I mean thats pretty normal in finland tbh

[sand egret]

that's def F

[oblique garnet]

It was -35 last week

[sand egret]

at what latitude....

[oblique garnet]

Scandinavia?

[honest canopy]

Haha

[sand egret]

yeahh

[young harbor]

MN has weather like that right meow apparently

[honest canopy]

We have - 17 celsius atm here in Sweden

Its nothing

[young harbor]

its nothing if you are used to it 😛

[sand egret]

yeah that's like London having that

[honest canopy]

Come again when its windy, a bit moist in The air and - 25

Then its fkn Dire

[sand egret]

yeah I hated winters where

[oblique garnet]

I mean its not that bad tbh

[sand egret]

there*

[oblique garnet]

Its only bad when its windy

[sand egret]

and all you weirdos ride bikes

[honest canopy]

In midwest

[sand egret]

in that weather

[honest canopy]

Its dry air as well

[sand egret]

so strange

[honest canopy]

So no biggie

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i mean school doesnt get cancelled even if its -40

[honest canopy]

Haha Late

I live in Dublin for 8monthd

They canceled all work, school, busses n taxi

At minus 2 and like 5cm snow

[oblique garnet]

Yeah thats stupid

[honest canopy]

Only The scandinavians showed up for work

They walked

Lived*

[sand egret]

yet they can't manage to stay there after 3pm

😄

[honest canopy]

Nope

7-4 or 8-5 absolute max days

[sand egret]

trying to buy something post 3pm was a rude awakening over there

[honest canopy]

Atlast 1 hour lunch and 15mins breaks

[sand egret]

but

[honest canopy]

Haha

[sand egret]

FIka?

that shit is dope

ya'll got a time to just drink coffee

a legit designated time

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[sand egret]

i'm into that shit

[heavy chasm]

I mean its negative 49 here today and nothings closed

[sand egret]

i remember just chilling and all my swedes around me just upped, stopped everything, and just went to another room to drink coffee

[heavy chasm]

Good cold air right off lake superior,

[sand egret]

it was bizzarre as shit

[heavy chasm]

Hah. Straight up peace!

[sand egret]

gotta say, they certainly know their pastry/coffee combos

[daring marlin]

I grew up in northern Wisconsin so I’m used to colder climates as well.

In Ohio atm and people are going nuts about the cold lul

[chilly brook]

I’m pretty glad that it’s only like 20 with wind chill here

[sand egret]

well im glad my ass is gonna work from home tomorrow

[modern brook]

redlight bladesong

[sand egret]

gotta compete with these WF streams somehow

[modern brook]

😮

anyone got any suggestions for heroic monkey and jadefire?

I think im tanking raids again because all our other tanks dont exist

[inland mesa]

Mythic Grong - are you reflecting tantrum, or trying to time it for throw? Throw, call for external? I'm trying to demo each one but man he hurts

[austere vapor]

^ helps on tantrum tremendously, just be topped off before throw and get a new ignore pain up prior to the final combo if you're being thrown

fairly easy

[rocky ledge]

How’s reaping for everyone this week? Pulling some crazy numbers? Haven’t been able to tank at all, grinding gear on my healer for raid.

[sand egret]

it's glorious

i feel like that comic when Superman decides to fuck off with his humanity and just flex on some nubs

this week compared to last week

i shall be shackled to small pulls NO LONGER

[oblique garnet]

Did a triple pack pull on 14 fh

It got spicy

[sand egret]

the first part?

[oblique garnet]

2nd boss

[modern brook]

Whos our friend in FH this week?

[sand egret]

big boy

[rocky ledge]

Yeah, was joking (kinda) that I was doing dungeons in 5 pulls this week - 20% per pull 😄

[sand egret]

yeah first thing I did this week was find a FH and tell the group "i'm literally pulling everything"

i got mixed reactions

the DH was like "O_O" and the healer was just like "let's do this boss"

[rocky ledge]

Late, if you pull the brute after 2nd boss, you can do a triple pull after pretty easy and it is a huge #feelsgoodman

[modern brook]

DH's make me mad

[sand egret]

then I think that DH got the hint when he didn't see his name at the top. Homie, when i'm pulling as much dps as you...you ain't gonna pull off of me

[oblique garnet]

Yeah thats what i did

[sand egret]

do you guys take that left pat?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

Everytime

[sand egret]

or do you do big boy + center + the right?

[oblique garnet]

On eudora

[sand egret]

hmm ive never had trouble with that pat on her. I know she supposedly can jump into them but i've never seen it /shrug

[oblique garnet]

Literally everytime

It just

Sees them

[sand egret]

that's so weird

[oblique garnet]

And jumps on them

[rocky ledge]

Late, did you shroud to boss and pull any extra to proc reaping before crossing 1st bridge? Made things go smooth on the run I healed.

[timber nest]

anyone here running treacherous covenant? shouldnt be too bad if your never close to dieing right?

[oblique garnet]

@rocky ledge nah i usually trigger the reaping after the bridge to not waste any time on getting bl off on the first boss

[vocal skiff]

Can you get a shield from a weapons cache?

[oblique garnet]

If i have a rogue that is

[chilly brook]

I need to start playing again

Resubbed

Played a grand total of twice since then

[sand egret]

@timber nest the line of thinking is that as a tank you're not usually sitting sub 20% for an extended period of time. If you are, you're probably dead anyway. However, in M+ this gets less value since you are more likely to be in that threshold more than in a raiding environment.

@vocal skiff yes

[daring marlin]

I thought Meth said if you take a hit that would take you below 20% it would apply the 15% damage boost.

[sand egret]

there's been back and forth on it

as far as the most current testing I've seen this isn't the case

[oblique garnet]

Its not worth it

[sand egret]

it's inverse logic of why the bwom trinket is "bad"

[oblique garnet]

There are situations where you will drop quite low on m+ so you lose basically every value it has

[sand egret]

which is exactly what I said

[oblique garnet]

Especially on bigger pulls

[rocky ledge]

Late, I mean I pulled two packs after 1st boss before crossing (stuff you normally skip) making reaping easy to group on those stairs

[sand egret]

in M+ the situation is more likely but in a raid environment not as much

[rocky ledge]

Then you can proc 2nd reaping with the event brutes and a couple more packs

[oblique garnet]

Yeah thats one way to go

Depends entirely on what you pull tbh

And your comp

Etx

So if you have like boomkins dhs

[rocky ledge]

3rd reaping was in 2nd boss room and then 4th was right before turtle

[oblique garnet]

They get their cds on the first 3 packs etc

[rocky ledge]

I’d post my route screenshot but I’m at work. Maybe later

[sand egret]

I feel like there could be a neat sub-channel of Prot where we post up our M+ routes to discuss but I guess that's probably more of a M+ discord thing

as a typical "late to the party" person, I just got MDT a season late and I'm curious to see other routes

[oblique garnet]

I rarely use mdt

I should use it more

[sand egret]

i like it so far for planning as a visual tool

[sick sentinel]

I mainly use the "ahh fuck it let's go" option

[sand egret]

that's what ive been doing

but ive found I tend to use the same routes

[oblique garnet]

It works pretty well

[sick sentinel]

the more I plan the route the more I fail

[oblique garnet]

Btw if you guys are doing kr this week or any other

Take the first 2 golems

[sand egret]

at the start?

[sick sentinel]

why?

[oblique garnet]

It makes the reaping alot easier

[sand egret]

when does it proc it?

[oblique garnet]

1st comes on the first boss trash

[sand egret]

(assuming its those 2 + the other big 2 + the minions)

[sick sentinel]

what if I skip all 4 golems?

[oblique garnet]

2nd comes on the miniboss room

3rd comes from the big bad golem

If you skip all 4 you get really scuffed reaping throughout

[rocky ledge]

Reaping in miniboss room last week was sooo bad. Healer got so behind

This week prob ez

[sand egret]

ive not done reaping in KR yet but do the slimes move at their typical speed as bwomhomies?

[oblique garnet]

Nope

They are fast

[sand egret]

aite cool

[dusk locust]

mdt is a great tool and i like to start with that. there's also value in being able to react to dps inevitably body pulling something

i like to have "checkpoints" of % to have before certain moments

[sand egret]

for me it's honestly finally learning what mobs give what %

i used to basically guess every time lol

[rocky ledge]

I love MDT for planning out when to proc reaping so you don’t run into ... fuck I need .5% and there is a 6 pull ahead

[dusk locust]

i got used to the points system (this mob is worth 4 points, rather than this mob is worth 1.25% or whatever)

and now i have to do % again and i don't like it

i've love it if the angry keystones guys updated it to tell me how many "points" until the next reaping

[rocky ledge]

Has anyone seen a nameplate mod that shows mob % value in M+ ?

That would be brilliant

[regal knoll]

Hi fellow warriors, my prot is not my main, but I don't wanna pug on him. So first I am trying always LfR, to get a feel. What I had problems with was first boss, how I get them 3 to stay with me? Taunt don't work on casters. It was only LfR, but the 3 were kinda walking around the boss area, and I was trying to "get their attention". What is the method? 😄

[old zephyr]

As a warrior you are SUPER strong agains the boss rather than the adds so, the best way is to take the boss

[regal knoll]

Got it, but let's say you go at them with 2 warriors, what the other does? 😄

[old zephyr]

Avatar the hell out of them

[regal knoll]

Do I charge in, quickly AoE them? Push Avatar and interrupt the casters? According to the description, throw that axe also should have "high threat" 😄 I threw the entire shop of axes at them, nada 😄

[short vale]

How is Bonded souls? (in m+ perspective)

[sick sentinel]

thunderclapping should be better for you

[regal knoll]

But I have to charge in right at pull,

[old zephyr]

sure

charge and clap

then move when they can't cast because of kicks

[regal knoll]

Guess best to communicate with other tank, on NM runs are least 😃

[sick sentinel]

@short vale generally prot traits are better than general traits, bonded souls should be picked up for example over a second deafening crash

[regal knoll]

SOme DPS should still interrupt the 2 adds in the first phase?

SInce everyone was on main boss

[oblique garnet]

Idk we just winged it and zerged it on both nm and hc

[short vale]

@sick sentinel Thanks

[rocky ledge]

We killed in under 2mins last night. Boss aoe cast took raid to 40% with only devotion aura

On heroic

[regal knoll]

Well, I joined a few pugs with my shaman.....none of them could take down the first boss, it was on NM even 😄

[rocky ledge]

If your dps is shit, boss gets harder.

[outer dew]

If you're really bad

You can three tank it

[regal knoll]

DPS acted like it was LfR, but the boss kept getting these stacks....zeg when you can, but don't zerg when you can't 😄

[sick sentinel]

that's not zerging

that's doing tactics

[modern brook]

first boss is an omega joke

[sick sentinel]

"I don't pay 13 dollars a month to know what to do"

[regal knoll]

What I meant was, they stayed on boss, didn't go to adds in 2nd phase

[modern brook]

Like ppl thought taloc was easy

[regal knoll]

Taloc actually is easy 😃

[old zephyr]

why three tnaking it?

with a warrior I mean

You can ignore the tankswap mechanic

[regal knoll]

Guess he meant, when ur group sucks, can always 3 tank it 😄

[old zephyr]

But that's not helping the group in this case

3 tanking is a way of reducing overall damage taken

but with a Protwarrior, 3 tanking would just lower overall raid DPS

[regal knoll]

You mean because dmg is physical, for warr it's easier?

[dreamy owl]

man 3 tanking mythic Champion felt better then 2 tanks

the holy damage get brutal at the end

[rocky ledge]

The dps you do on the adds is pointless in a bad group. The 2 casters just heal. You know they aren’t getting purged

[old zephyr]

No

@regal knoll the mechanics that hit hard is the stacking Radiant DoT

so you use a 3rd tank to be able to tankswap when stacks get high while one of the tanks handle the adds far away

BUT

as a warrior you can use to reset your stacks

[rocky ledge]

Good to know

[old zephyr]

Use it right at the end of the wave of light cast

[rocky ledge]

Pally remove with spell ward?

[old zephyr]

maybe, I don't know spellward is 3min CD

reflect is 25 secs

[rocky ledge]

Yeah

They might be able to bubble and spell ward for 2 resets

[old zephyr]

buble would drop aggro though

and why reset twice when you can be a warrior and ignore mechanics

[dreamy owl]

that dot stacks pretty fast on mythic

was pretty hard to reset

[wary gyro]

Spellwarding only stops the damage it doesn't remove the stacks or prevent new ones from being applied

[old zephyr]

once every melee I think

[dreamy owl]

so 3 tanking made it easier

[old zephyr]

you have to wait for the cast to reset, which is somewhere around 8-10 stacks

[oblique garnet]

Didnt limit just one tank it with warrior?

[old zephyr]

but it's not like externals are needed elsewhere

[dreamy owl]

don't know how they 1 tanked that

[old zephyr]

get 3 stacks, call for external, reset
Rince and repeat

[regal knoll]

Owww good tip about spell reflect 😃 DKs can do that with their "shield" (forgot the name) ?

[finite salmon]

I just reset stacks when she was doing her call of the fallen cast.

If you reflect at the end of the cast she wont get to refresh it

[old zephyr]

Maybe they can but it has 1min CD

so really they can't

[keen galleon]

Or you could have your cotank taunt for like 3s at the end of the call of the fallen

Or you could do what I did and 3 tank the fight on mythic to make it completely trivial

[tired cove]

u can also have a dh taunt and blade dance

or a paladin taunt and do stuff

so many ways to cheese the first boss

[keen galleon]

We did 3 tank strat, stacks all the casters together so a single solar beam interrupts every one

[old zephyr]

but why bother when you can just click your buttons and boom

[keen galleon]

It was more to save a bit of time than anything else tbh

[chilly brook]

What @old zephyr said

Why waste raid potential when you can just press your own buttons

[lusty grotto]

griff are you back

[chilly brook]

Especially as a warrior

Whaddya mean?

I’m subbed if that’s what you’re asking

[lusty grotto]

oh

cool

[chilly brook]

Played like twice in the last 14 days

[lusty grotto]

👍

[chilly brook]

Basically what I’m saying is as a warrior, you’re a machine when it comes to laughing at mechanics with proper use of your toolkit, use it

[keen galleon]

I mean tbf the 3 tank strat is more about making the adds irrelevant. Being able to drop stacks super easily is just a nice perk

[chilly brook]

If the boss has been one tanked I think we can say the adds would be irrelevant with two tanks 😜

[old zephyr]

pretty much.
I mean melees have to run between boss and adds, but i'm fairly sure 3tanking don't solve that

[chilly brook]

It’s not like Zul

[final mist]

The first boss is literally the biggest joke

Like, moreso than Taloc

It's little more than a glorified trash pack

[chilly brook]

^

[strong forum]

brothers

im dead

[chilly brook]

Welcome to the club

[strong forum]

imagine the worst possible item you couldve gotten from m+ chest

and post your guess

i shall reveal my luck shortly

[marble cipher]

Weapon without stats

[chilly brook]

Bracers of any kind

[strong forum]

worse than bracers

okay the weapon thingy is prob worse

[old zephyr]

A tanking trinket?

[strong forum]

😢

KILL ME NOW

MAKE IT STOP

[marble cipher]

Kek

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[strong forum]

it hurts so much

[chilly brook]

Embrace it

Use it for your no healer runs :kappa

[strong forum]

even fucking blockades is better than this shit

even 340 vial is better than this disgrace of a trinket

[chilly brook]

Well obv

On blockades

[broken roost]

Better to take a 2nd bloodsport or a 2nd DC for M+?

Also, for the engineering helm I assume synaptic spark capacitor is the go-to engi trait?

[chilly brook]

2nd bloodsport

[strong forum]

im using RNG

on engi helm

seems the best one

maybe bombs works out aswell

[cinder pasture]

I'm pretty happy with what I got in my chest 😛

[strong forum]

but SSC seems to be the worst imo

[broken roost]

In 8.0 the capacitor ended up being like 5% of my damage and gave the DR so I liked it

RNG huge haste proc seems crispy though too

[strong forum]

and 800 mainstat

[rocky ledge]

RNG is pretty fun. Haste or STR with like 25-30% uptime is great either way.

[broken roost]

Yeah true that

[rocky ledge]

Haven’t tested the others though

[broken roost]

Just liked the aoe damage from SSC - was huge early in 8.0 for me

[rocky ledge]

Maybe I’ll try a few this week since I can pull huge

[broken roost]

It's like 300dps per target, or 900dps per target while its up

For me, on the 385 version, at least... decent sized pulls and it should be lots of deeps and 5% crispy DR

But I'll have to give RNG another go anyway

[chilly brook]

They finally make potions less of a pain in the ass to craft?

[modern kite]

Hello there

[chilly brook]

Hi Obi Wan

[lusty grotto]

i am the senate

[modern kite]

How can I find a proper way to see if a piece is an uprgrade or not as a warr prote

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > all

[modern kite]

As a dps I can sim myself for dps and so on

but

[chilly brook]

Is it an ilvl upgrade?

If yes

Then it’s an upgrade

[modern kite]

BUT

[chilly brook]

There’s no but

Especially after the buffs to Vanguard in 8.1

[final mist]

If it's an ilevel upgrade, it's an upgrade. If they're the same ilevel, take the one with the better stats.

[chilly brook]

^

[final mist]

More stats is better than "better stats", our secondaries are extremely close in value.

[modern kite]

I mean [Loop of Pulsing Veins] 380 plus [Rot-Scour Ring] 385 and now i got [Overseer's Lost Seal] 410

[chilly brook]

I mean

Ilvl>all

[final mist]

So take the 410 and the 385.

[modern kite]

What about My precious haste?!?

[chilly brook]

^

[lusty grotto]

what about it

[chilly brook]

You’ll live without it

[final mist]

More stats is better than what you perceive as "better" stats.

[chilly brook]

^^^^^

[modern kite]

So deep @final mist ty so much

Ty at all of you

There are exeption right?

[chilly brook]

👍🏻

[modern kite]

Like trinkets

n weapon maybe

[chilly brook]

Kind of

[lusty grotto]

nope

not weapon

[chilly brook]

But not really

Weapon is still ilvl

Trinkets are up for debate

Seeing as they’re situational to begin with

[rocky ledge]

Nah, answer is which ones lets you CLAP harder? Then those

[modern kite]

And like Azerite pieces

[chilly brook]

Azerite isn’t really up for debate

[lusty grotto]

azerite is still ilvl, unless if you dont have DC

[chilly brook]

And trinkets fall into “do I need survivability or not”

[rocky ledge]

If you have 3 pieces with 5 rings... you better have 1 DC

Griff.. dead things don’t hurt you

[sand egret]

i dont

actually lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats why i havent replaced my dc shoulders Blade

[tender phoenix]

quick question but anyone have a link to some handy Weak Auras for Battle of Dazar'alor?

[chilly brook]

You are correct dead things don’t hurt you, but it’s still wise to use survivability trinkets on progress

[sand egret]

i said fuck it and went for the 5th ring + ilvl over then 4th with DC

[rocky ledge]

If you have 4 ring DC vs say callous/bloodsport... you prob want the DC

[chilly brook]

Actually dead things do hurt you

Bursting would like a word 🙃

[sand egret]

^

[rocky ledge]

So last week...

[modern kite]

Think now brace for impact better than Archive right?

[lusty grotto]

is it higher ilvl?

[chilly brook]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

then yes

[chilly brook]

^

[modern kite]

same actually

[lusty grotto]

BFI si better defensively

Archive better offensively

[rocky ledge]

BFI is good for raid and single target DPS. In M+ with a decent shield you should be at block cap w/o it

[chilly brook]

Wait

Block cap

Wut

[rocky ledge]

Crit block caps at 85%

[chilly brook]

Crit block

Not block

[rocky ledge]

So 42.5 pre crit is soft cap

[sand egret]

unless your crit blocking 100%

[chilly brook]

^

[rocky ledge]

I understand.

[chilly brook]

There is no block cap afaik

Well

There is based on the stats we can get

[rocky ledge]

But you have huge mastery during Avatar anyway if running BoM traits.

[sand egret]

at 3x im at 64%

[rocky ledge]

Meaning I don’t need extra block azerite traits in M+

[final mist]

You should never worry about the block cap in M+

[rocky ledge]

With a 400 shield

[final mist]

Those traits are gonna be doing a lot of damage in AoE

[chilly brook]

Why wouldn’t you be trying to make your non crit block better? Since there are periods without the extra mastery

Unless you’re just wanting to push as much damage as possible

[rocky ledge]

Mostly that’s why griff.

I do 60-100k dps and shit dies

[strong forum]

what kind of 415 should i buy when i have 400ilvl engi helm, 400 grong shoulders and 400 champions of light chest

[chilly brook]

On what kind of a pull?

[inland mesa]

I still dont have a 400 shield coined every boss and mythic :(

[strong forum]

really cant decide

[chilly brook]

Like a large pull? Or one regular pack?

[lusty grotto]

obviously not on a regular pack

[rocky ledge]

Reaping packs are huge, but 2-3 pack pulls in Freehold for example is easy 60k

[chilly brook]

Then tbh I don’t think that’s really all that impressive

[lusty grotto]

it's not, that's pretty average

[inland mesa]

If bwonboi trinket is "bad" what trinkets are we trying to get?

[lusty grotto]

diamond

[rocky ledge]

6mobs plus it is easy to hit that mark if you str pot and have good traits

[lusty grotto]

that's it

[chilly brook]

I was doing that before the new traits were put in and with defensive traits

[inland mesa]

Diamond from opulence for the shield?

[chilly brook]

So personally I’m not sure if it’s really worth sacrificing the defensive benefit of BFI

[lusty grotto]

diamond is the only good trinket, mechatorque trinket is kinda decent too... the rest are crap

but really no reason to focus on raid trinkets, given that you can farm a nice rezan in M+

or a nice Jes

or Butcher, or Vial

[chilly brook]

That reads kinda rough, I’m just trying to actually measure the actual offensive benefit you gain from the defensive loss

[inland mesa]

I got a 420 with socket first week of normal. I thought it was only ok, the shield that good? Figured mecha was next if no 400+ rezan/butcher

[lusty grotto]

of course the shield is good

why wouldn't it be

[chilly brook]

I mean with a shield you’re just looking for high ilvl

You want that block value

[lusty grotto]

no he means diamond's shield

[chilly brook]

Oh

Derp

[inland mesa]

In world pvp I was soloing 3-5 people at a time because of it lol

Hmmm 385 weapon emissary try for wf shield or upgrade my arms weapon for pvp

My turtle emissary turned into a 415 ring...from 385 base

[chilly brook]

Now that we have it in game, and since we’re on the topic of it, I find it ironic how people were tying to say it was a bad trinket tanking wise and it’s at the top of the list in the guide 😂😂

[inland mesa]

My 410 cheat item was the wraps, not sure I want to use it over 395 mythrax eye

[lusty grotto]

who was saying it was bad, i was here saying it was gonna be great

but then again i did take a little break

[chilly brook]

There was some discussion on it like two weeks ago

[lusty grotto]

ah i see

[final mist]

People are stupid. News at 11.

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[chilly brook]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

wish jaina trinket was 50% total slow man 😦

that would make it a sexy trinket

[chilly brook]

I wish Jaina would actually die

[lusty grotto]

whoa spoilers 😦

i havent actually stepped into the raid yet

[chilly brook]

I don’t actually know if she does or not

[final mist]

Of course she doesn't, demons can't die outside of the Twisting Nether.

[chilly brook]

Lul

[lusty grotto]

yup

poor Dreadjaina

[astral crystal]

maybe that'll be the secret mythic phase

she turns into a dreadlord

would be great

[chilly brook]

At this point I’d also like Sylvanas to die so that they can stop using her as a scapegoat to make the horde blatant bad guys

[lusty grotto]

heh

[final mist]

Good luck with that, considering one of the lead writers has written himself into the story using Nathanos.

[lusty grotto]

im hoping that cyberpunk 2099 hire will make stories better

because holy shit they are stupid and uninspiring

[chilly brook]

Hopefully they’ll stop butchering Sylvanas

Aka generic bad guy #1

[final mist]

She's perfectly in character, IMO.

[lusty grotto]

she is, but there are very specific actions that aren't

[chilly brook]

I mean the actions themselves aren’t necessarily out of character

[lusty grotto]

for the most part, she is

[chilly brook]

The method they’re being done however feels out of character

Everything leading up to the tree burning felt pretty in character

Until they decided to make the laziest decision on who actually started the fire

“Eh she just did it to spite a night elf”

[strong forum]

boyos i got cucked by rnd 415 chest...

no bastion of might 😦

[old zephyr]

Rip

How did you get one that fast

[lusty grotto]

random

[strong forum]

cuz i saved my residuum

[regal knoll]

Nice, jsut got a haste/vers ring 385 in KR+5 😄

[old zephyr]

I only have 1k2 smth

[strong forum]

🤷

[old zephyr]

Next week though i'll get myself some pauldron

[regal knoll]

Healer didn't enjoy me pulling half the blobs before boss 2 😄

[old zephyr]

Only half ?

[strong forum]

blightborne or callous 🤔

both kinda shit

[old zephyr]

My helm has callous or the pact thing

I is sad

[strong forum]

treacherous covenant is yikes for tanks

[chilly brook]

Part of me says blightborne

[strong forum]

ye i kinda wanna go that too

[old zephyr]

But callous is yikes as well

[strong forum]

but the again i wont run this chest for m+

[regal knoll]

Yeah, could have done the rest without the healer 😄 was guild run, so stayed social 😄

[strong forum]

ima use my 400 BoM+ IF chest for m+

unless i get 415 from todays raid

[chilly brook]

IF is bae

[strong forum]

i have 2x IF currently, crit for 4.5k during avatar 😏

[old zephyr]

Pro tip : if the healer has time to complain you are not pulling big enough

[regal knoll]

Those berserkers though, hurt af....is better to kite them?

lel 😄

[chilly brook]

Yes

The ones in KR?

[regal knoll]

Yup

[old zephyr]

If can crit ?

[lusty grotto]

bait the bleeds on a pet

[chilly brook]

The best move is to have treants or Hunter pet and let them eat the bleeds

[rocky ledge]

Watch your bleed. Stun them around 3 secs before it falls off

[strong forum]

TFW 301k HP unbuffed 😏

[regal knoll]

Was eating me now, we had ahunter though, good tip 😛

[rocky ledge]

Pets are your best friend for that. Stun them before re-apply and try to only fight them one at a time when possible

If you get 2 stacks just shieldwall or ask for external and IP

[lusty grotto]

no need to stun them

[regal knoll]

At the end there's a pair though....priests are good for caging them

[rocky ledge]

You can take every bleed at one stack if you stun them before reapply if you don’t have someone else to eat for you

[lusty grotto]

cc one

[rocky ledge]

Even a root will cc them enough. They try to jump but don’t go anywhere

[chilly brook]

“Just be a blood DK and MC one”

:kappa

[regal knoll]

Yeah hunter could have frost trapped it, funny enough, the pair went super smooth 😛

[chilly brook]

Pro tip tho, if you’re doing KR bring a DK DPS

[rocky ledge]

They honestly only get scary if you are bled while they are raging. Especially if you get 2 stacks

[lusty grotto]

they shouldnt get scary at all

its not fortified

[brisk ferry]

didn't realize that when a DK MC as unholy, they lose their pet. We ran KR last night and his DPS was shit for this reason.

[regal knoll]

We don't have many DKs in the guild 😃 went in with DH, frost mage and BM hunter

[rocky ledge]

Most DKs MC the beastmasters anyway. They do good dmg

[brisk ferry]

makes sense, just kinda shit since Frost could potentially MC one with zero downside?

found it weird that it'd replace the Abom or wtv

[lusty grotto]

you MC one, and then release it

that's your cc

as unholyt

you never stay with it longer than you should

[brisk ferry]

yeh you MC it til it's last and kill it

just seemed odd that he couldn't keep his pet is all

[timber nest]

What traits are better than stacking more than 1 DC trait? I understand the downside of stacking dc, it’s basically only damage.

[lusty grotto]

the rest?

[vocal nimbus]

Defensively any other trait would help more than a second DC

[tropic star]

did the reflectable sheet get unpinned? or am i just failing

[vocal nimbus]

its in #268491842637660160

[lusty grotto]

☝

[tropic star]

gracias

anyone have clarification on the buster cannon reflect

you dont get debuffed nor damaged? but it doesnt damage boss? Is that what it reads

[bronze forge]

does iron fortress stack? and is it best to only have one?

my only other option is the Vers increase

[oblique garnet]

Iron fortress does stack and its really good for m+

[safe oriole]

really dumb question here, does crit chance affect anything defensively? like for example critical block chance

[bronze forge]

that i do know, its the lowest stat needed for prot

[lusty grotto]

yes it gives you parry

which is why it's still good for us

[graceful mason]

Crit mitigates a lot of auto attack dmg

[lusty grotto]

all stats are good, they ranked as such with crit being lowest because parry is RNG, but none of them should be dismissed

[wary gyro]

It's very nice in m+

[bronze forge]

is 6 versitality low for a 383 prot tank?

[lusty grotto]

not at all

[wary gyro]

6 or 6%

[bronze forge]

6%

[lusty grotto]

you're using your highest ilvl right?

don't look at stats numbers

[wary gyro]

That's a decent amount

Yeah you don't want to drop lvl just to get a bit higher of a secondary

[bronze forge]

so for raiding would you advise the vers buff trait or a second iron fortress

[lusty grotto]

dont look at stat numbers

again

[vocal nimbus]

@tropic star correct

[lusty grotto]

vers buff trait is crap

[minor kestrel]

what talent setup are you running in the BoD?

[soft kindle]

Same as everywhere else

[safe oriole]

reason i ask is because raidbots rated it high for damage, wich is what i aim for in raids 😛

[vocal nimbus]

FeelsAbrodusMan

[olive lotus]

375 syringe, 395 jes howler, 380 vial of animated blood, 400 alchemy trinket. For mythic plus 🤔

[rocky ledge]

Jes and alch. Use jes with avatar on larger pulls.

[silk mortar]

Vial wouldnt be to bad either 😍

[olive lotus]

So many choices!

[inland mesa]

why is method 3 tanking gnomer

[open bluff]

they wanted two bdks, sco doesn't play bdk, not benching sco

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[candid cove]

Gotta keep the streams going

[inland mesa]

yeah, I just wasn't seeing any immediate benefit and was curious

[open bluff]

was basically just sco being a little bitch

[broken roost]

Seems like Avatar is always up well (~5-10sec) before Knot so I end up sitting on 1 or the other which feels a bit sad.. still better to use that over a 375 howler? (Or 385 vial)

385 knot**

[open bluff]

use vial over knot

[green pine]

Is there a bis sheet or something somewhere? people are saying sims are shit atm and im trying to decide on what trinkets to grind out of m+ or to make the alchemy one

[sand egret]

it's not really an issue if your off by ~5-10 seconds

knot lasts 12 seconds

avatar lasts 20

so that works out just dandy

at least it has for me using it

[rocky ledge]

Knot is Bae for M+. Juicy dmg and the parry is no joke when tanking 12 mobs

[sand egret]

love parrying that Debilitating Backhand in KR

[olive lotus]

Noob question but can you out range debilitating backhand?

[timber nest]

no, but you can parry it

[olive lotus]

How do you guys kite him when leap is on CD? I try to intercept@to other players but their position isn’t always helpful

[rocky ledge]

Some people stack mastery, I’m in the crit crowd.

I prefer to have haste/crit gear and trinkets and BoM traits. Avatar has such high uptime I never feel like I’m dying because of my stat choices. Plus, the raw damage output you gain by raising your crit cannot be ignored.

[stark sage]

as long as you have a high ilvl, you wont feel squishy

[sand egret]

for the Backhand I usually just tell my healer to stand to the side

[stark sage]

stat choices are very secondary compared to having all the raw stats you can

[sand egret]

so when HL is on cd i can intercept

[rocky ledge]

And a good shield

[olive lotus]

Got a 410 atal shield in my chest his week. Was very pleased

[rocky ledge]

You can also have a DPS/healer taunt for you if possible... bouncing him back and forth for a few seconds to give you space

Back to what I was saying regarding Crit. This is only for M+. If you have access to it... try running 2x crit trinkets and rings with crit. You’ll be amazed with how much more dmg you do (if you haven’t tested for yourself already)

[honest canopy]

Bwosandis Bargain

[sand egret]

well from an other perspective re: crit in M+ is that overall you are taking significantly more auto-attacks and it therefore is way more of your overall damage taken. As such the "rng" nature of parry is somewhat normalized across the whole run. This is in contrast to a particular boss pull in a raid where you have less of a pool to roll for those crits thus RNG becomes a much greater factor from pull to pull, diminishing it's effectiveness

[honest canopy]

Yay or nay?

[sand egret]

nay

[honest canopy]

Boring 😦

[sand egret]

it goes into that logic of if you find you need it, chances are there is something else that could be done anyway. It can still save your bacon, but how often will that occur is the real question

[honest canopy]

Its a 415 with socket 😦

Its prob better then my 385 alchemist stone tho

[sand egret]

offensively, no

[dreamy owl]

So question for big m+ pulls should o take knot, rezan, or mekkatroque trinket

I also have the diamond from opulance

[sand egret]

what's the mekkatorque trinket do?

and what are ilvls, etc.

kinda a loaded question with little info

[honest canopy]

Aint the Alchemist stone suffering a lot from DR?

[sand egret]

in what way?

[honest canopy]

That it has a limit on how often the procc can happen, and when it does its less likely to do again

Tought i read smt smt about it

[old zephyr]

Did they sneaked something on 1st boss, I can't reset anymore

[true plover]

The buff is twice as long now

[old zephyr]

since when?

[true plover]

I am pretty sure it was at like 20s last night instead of the 10 or 15 from before

[sand egret]

@honest canopy that's the first i've heard of it. It's got a 1ppm but what you're describing is basically the ppm system as a whole, which would apply to a lot of trinkets

[honest canopy]

I might be wrong then

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's not anything I've heard of. It's 1ppm + haste

[honest canopy]

Ah cool

But sad, I wawnted to use my bargain 😦

[sand egret]

you can, there's literally nothing stopping you

[warm plinth]

^

Just right-click on that lil fella

[honest canopy]

Been farming for a 1hander as well, got the WM Splitter 405 today. And now when we finally cleared HC, I got the rastakhan sword...with a socket

2 in a day, derp

[sleek sierra]

Hey guys. Bloodsport or Bonded Souls? :/ Can't decide between both of them

[sand egret]

Try both out and see what ya like more?

they're probably pretty close imho. I'm not 100% on the rate of Bonded Souls but I heard it's pretty high so prob not bad in M+. Bloodsport is just a meatier IP, which is always welcome.

[honest canopy]

Ofc i can, but its fun do gucci dmg

[sleek sierra]

ok

[sand egret]

yeah but that's more of a personal question. If you don't need the survival then using a survivial trinket seems like an easy question to answer, no? 😃

I'm all for the deeps, but I rocked Blockades for a grip when I felt le squish. Considering the circumstantial survival it gives, a lot of us see this as an easy choice even on that front.

[honest canopy]

Totally

Probgo for the bwosandi when i feel a bit soft

[sand egret]

now if we were talking the DLRP....that is numero uno on my Wish List.

[modern brook]

Blood sport also has leech :)

Which is cool if u like healing for 200

[strong forum]

if you reflect a fireball on jadefire does the burnout on the boss immediately go off and damage raid?

oh ye thats a bug

[old zephyr]

well they did sneakily tweak first boss

[strong forum]

just saw on tank notes

[sonic fog]

Prot Warriors are goot on m+10 atm?

good*

[broken roost]

Yup

[honest canopy]

They are amaaaazing

Anyone know how the 400 ilvl recepies work?

[strong forum]

craft 385

get 400 recipe

[honest canopy]

When I crafted my alchemist stone, i couldnt learn the 400. Then i got it

from the first bossdrop

[strong forum]

cfraft 400 get 415 recipe

[honest canopy]

Loot Reaver in TK

Ah ok

It drops randomly or more or less instant?

[strong forum]

100%

it drops always

once your craft THE RIGHT stone

you need to craft the 385 version taht requires tidalcores

dont craft the one that takes sanguicell

[honest canopy]

Aye

Yeah i got the 400 recepie now

More tempted to spend my empulsions on getting engi to 130 tho

so i can make the 385 head etc

Thanks @strong forum

[broken roost]

@@sand egret Knot is not listed on the icyveins page, while vial is - you prefer knot for equal Ilvl?

[sand egret]

it aint?

ahh yeah well the guide is ranking trinkets for survivability. So Vial giving str is listed and not Knot prob because Knot doesn't offer as much survivability in a raid setting due to crit being subject to rng and not applying to a higher proportion of incoming damage where STR does help through flat armor/bigger IPs

but between the two for pure dps....it's probably a toss up with Knot being A) more rng and B) easier to sync with Avatar

[oblique garnet]

oh rip

conclave logs are bugged

[broken roost]

Ahh yeah fair enough - I'll roll with not a bit longer anyway and see how it feels

I'm sure neither is a bad decision hah

[sand egret]

Definitely not the worst choice to make. I also don't have an equal Vial so I'm coming from a Knot-user perspective. The CD lines up just right with Avatar, as you mentioned it's usually a few seconds varied but the durations give it a buffer.

[tepid dagger]

I'm making my guild all jelly with raidbots prot sims lol

kinda fun

[sick sentinel]

my group is dying to eudora

getting hit twice

PepeHands

[sand egret]

do they know what "clockwise" means?

[sick sentinel]

I mean

from the shot

not from the cones

[sand egret]

ahh well that'll do it

that's just an RNG fest right?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

targets the hunter 3 times in a row

[tepid dagger]

i mean, just get behind the boss right?

[sand egret]

def ability

[sick sentinel]

he can use turtle only once

[sand egret]

he's talking about Powder Shot not Grapeshot

[sick sentinel]

and feign death once I guess

[sand egret]

it's got a 40yrd range

so i guess if they're not topped they could outrange it

[ionic sky]

wich one sholud i use?

[vocal nimbus]

i'd use crit haste

[naive panther]

I’d use verse mast for survival.

The haste crit would be more dps though

[sand egret]

ehhh

that's too much of an ahctcually... moment to really matter lol. One's got haste and the other doesn't, so I'd side with the haste for dps or survivial

also where did this random EU Guild(at least I've never heard of em before) coming out of the cut and taking the Tinker kill....

[lusty grotto]

use crit haste @ionic sky

[native bear]

do I just get 3x DC and BoM for dmg in mythic+?

[sick sentinel]

Jaina says hi

[young harbor]

Should i buy a lotto ticket you think?

[naive panther]

I ran stat weight sims on some other wars cause it wasn’t all that huge for dps on mine. Curious what their actual percentage is that makes the weight so much more valuable than mine is.

Cause I was surprised people would take a piece with so much crit. I’m assuming I’m wrong and the haste is valuable just guess I need to change my thought process on it

I’ve ran high crit on other tanks just for dps but usually avoid it if othe pieces are same ilvl

[sick sentinel]

Wow. I was lied to

Looks like bonded souls is good

[true plover]

It's great at least from what I'm seeing. with 2 It does ~20% of my healing during an M+

granted not all of that is on me but it's still contributing

And that means the haste is up all the time

[frigid furnace]

A little PSA for you raiders, when fighting the Jadefire Masters and while tanking the Mage of the duo: DON'T USE SPELL REFLECTION! The mage boss will get the Rising Flames debuff which explodes as Burnout when it runs out which will damage the whole raid.

[young harbor]

oof

[naive panther]

20% of what overall healing though? One did 11.23% in raid for me but technically didn’t mean all that much

[undone sun]

@gilded tendon sucks

@naive panther sims still aren't good enough to start relying on

[steel mauve]

They barely just turned simming on for prot and are working on the module, but its no where close to being accurate for stats or gear simming

[inland mesa]

so wait, can you still wait for redemption of the fallen cast on the first boss then reflect after and reset, I'm not seeing a change anywhere

[sick sentinel]

@frigid furnace rising flames does mine no damage

Like*

[naive panther]

I guess I have more questions about haste and avatar windows and how it effects that

[daring marlin]

I love this week

2 chested this +11 underrot

dps was gr8, we had like 4 mins on lust once we cleared the trash around the second boss LOL

[sand egret]

@naive panther so haste is a higher value over the other stats, but they're all really close. It just hangs out higher for a large part due to Anger Management. Haste means you get more actions, which in turn gives you more rage, that turns into more rage spent ultimately meaning your cds are back up that much faster, a defining aspect of our mitigation

smaller windows with no SB charges, shorter GCD, shorter cd on SS and TClap, more actions in general so more chances to reset SS

it's one big rage machine

[frigid furnace]

@sick sentinel yeah the boss takes no damage from the reflected dot but when it expires the raid takes damage from burnout

[lusty grotto]

Haste never trumps ilvl though

Worth repeating ad nauseaum

[sand egret]

yeah we're talking strictly between secondaries

@frigid furnace i think the point weep was trying to make was that you dont need to let it fall off

[sick sentinel]

@Malygon#4493 I'm saying the raid damage is minimal

[lusty grotto]

Because every single time somebody mentions "Stat weights" they are intending to sacrifice ilvl for some sexondary

[sand egret]

eh nvm but at least i got the tag right 😃

[sick sentinel]

We've dropped like 10 stacks and it did nothing

Can't wait to kill mythic jaina tonight

[sand egret]

you ain't wrong, but this convo was directly between choosing an equal ilvl shield that had haste/crit vs vers/mast

[lusty grotto]

Cool weep cool

[sick sentinel]

Limit wf :)

[sand egret]

did you say you quit?

didn't*

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I did see the shield

Lies, weep was on time out clearly

[sick sentinel]

I quit my secondary guild to raid with limit this one last tier

[sand egret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone sun]

wat

[sick sentinel]

And then I'm out

[sand egret]

there's....secondary guilds?

woah.

[lusty grotto]

Of course

[sand egret]

i dont even have a primary!

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I wanted to raid more

Like 7 days a week more

[sand egret]

although if i do crash this raid, i guess that counts....

[sick sentinel]

So 3 guilds

[undone sun]

reaching for the stars there with limit tohugh

[lusty grotto]

Jesús christ weep

Jesus

Stupid Spanish auto correct

Mexican Jesus bad

[sand egret]

i like to think you specifically pronounced that differently

[lusty grotto]

Heyzeus

[sand egret]

and just said it twice

[sick sentinel]

Jaina is hard dps check on mythic

Pls send your 425 socket boes

Will pay gold

[sand egret]

i hope it comes down to a who's got the best deeps race

[lusty grotto]

500k okay?

[sick sentinel]

For? @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

I have a sexy bwonsamdi

xD

[sick sentinel]

If you have 425s I'll buy you a faction transfer lol

[sand egret]

he just copped some 8.2 shit off a truck he's tryin' to flip

[sick sentinel]

Server transfer

[lusty grotto]

I don't, I kid

[sick sentinel]

F

[sand egret]

seems real excessive heh

[sick sentinel]

We wanna win

[sand egret]

i got that from the entire faction swap for an item

😃

[sick sentinel]

She's a dps check

And I'm definitely in limit

Send your boes to actuallyalimitraider-illidan

[timber nest]

worth losing 10 ilevels + a socket for?

gaining 10 ilevels*

[sick sentinel]

Yes

All our stats are good

Total amount > which

So ilvl > all

[sand egret]

☝ math checks out

[sick sentinel]

Method didn't realize being shrunk on mechatorque reduces your damage by 90%

[undone sun]

well

supposedly

hard to believe it's true

[sick sentinel]

@undone sun

[undone sun]

i watched the clip

i know

[sand egret]

im on TeamPieces

[broken roost]

Emissaries can WF, yeah? I have a 385 MH and shield but am looking for an Arms/Fury set eventually

[sand egret]

lets go darkhorse!

yeah they can

[broken roost]

Don't want to risk getting some ultragigatitanforge 425 weapon and miss out on the prot potential

[sand egret]

weapons cant titanforge

[broken roost]

oh yeah - right

sweet nvm then

[sand egret]

so 395 is the max you'd get

[lavish oracle]

I just want an NA world first for once

[sick sentinel]

I don't

I hope we lose

[final mist]

[lavish oracle]

Weep, the secret Method double agent

[undone sun]

"secret"

[sick sentinel]

Even in limit always a method fangirl

[dreamy owl]

Real question guys should I be bashing avatar almost on CD?

[steel mauve]

yes

[dreamy owl]

Even if it doesn't hit multiple nobs

? This is for raid

[final mist]

Yes, you still hit it basically on CD

If some mechanic is coming up and you won't be able to hit the boss, or adds are spawning in ~10 seconds and you know they'll live for the entire duration, then sure, hold it

[dreamy owl]

So let's use conclave for a second

[final mist]

Otherwise, no, pop it basically on CD, there's no reason to hold it

[dreamy owl]

I should not be using it for raptors

Right?

[final mist]

If you hold it for raptors, you'll be holding it for long enough that you'd have missed a cast

[dreamy owl]

Er to not time it with rapotrs because raptors run all over

I guess o really made a mistake by doing that

[steel mauve]

raptors wouldnt really be reliable either, since they need to be kited, if you held them on yourself, maybe every few casts if its close to lining up, but dont hold it for them every time

[dreamy owl]

Yeah we still got the kill

Just upset at my dps

[steel mauve]

if its gonna be a bit i would just use it, since you dont know if you can reliably keep them on yourself and the timing doesnt work well to begin with

[dreamy owl]

Thank you just wanted to confirm I was being bad

[daring marlin]

that 11 underrot lol

13 waycrest

I NEED A NEW VIAL

[merry cave]

Yeah I'm getting similar, wondering if reaping will get TC nerfed lol

[daring marlin]

I hope not

[sand egret]

reaping wouldnt be why lol

[daring marlin]

the more I do reaping

the more I love being a dark iron

[grand tiger]

Grongs trinket

any good for M+?

prot

[neon tangle]

Standing in place and smashing the ground

seems pretty prot

[timber nest]

SOOO, my guild might actually be doing some real pulls on mythic grong tonight, we did some last night but it was in the last 20 minutes of raid