if you're used to getting sleepy because of f.lux for example
#protection
dusk locust
i've had flux on for so long that going without it burns my eyes
lusty grotto
haha
sand egret
the fuck is flux
lusty grotto
yeah but your problem might be better managed with checking your monitor color settings in your monitor menu
dusk locust
alters colors on your monitor to get rid of the harsher blues. looks more sepia
lusty grotto
https://justgetflux.com/ @sand egret , windows 10 actually has it built in now
dusk locust
it's meant to be used to automatically change slowly as you get closer to nighttime
sand egret
ahhh i see
signal plover
:)
lusty grotto
it helped my sleep when i first installed it though, so it has been installed forever
sand egret
You ain't wrong
dusk locust
i just like it b/c it's easier on the eyes
sand egret
unsubscribe
lusty grotto
yikes
oblique garnet
tfw your offspec does more damage than our guilds top dps
lusty grotto
Late are you still on team chip
exotic hazel
Yes, I forget about it now because it's just always on. I take melatonin too so it should be fine on the sleep front
I always have a hard time seeing the tentacles though, so that should help
dusk locust
the purple-on-purple mechanics i have a harder time seeing and it's probably b/c flux
lusty grotto
maybe
modern brook
dude
oblique garnet
team chip?
lusty grotto
Teamchip
oblique garnet
am i dps?
lusty grotto
yes
oblique garnet
yes
lusty grotto
everyone is dps
modern brook
^
lusty grotto
are you raiding too Late
i feel like i pulled a reverse Blade
how the fuck am i supposed to raid now
lusty grotto
yeah that might hurt
lusty grotto
i thought you were already
sand egret
pff hell naw
lusty grotto
hmmmmmmmm
i would like to run it, get aotc and never do it ever until the next raid
sand egret
but was running some mythic + with some coworkers and they were talking about just hopping in their guild runs randomly
lusty grotto
probably smash some parses, thats it
sand egret
so i may just crash a raid one time.
lusty grotto
sounds good
sand egret
that guild has never seen a warrior tank
lusty grotto
prepare to blast their pants off
i don't know if i want to join a guild that has never seen a warrior tank though
lusty grotto
oh nice
sand egret
i'm just crashing a raid, wrecking the meters, and getting mah loot
because they want me to, "give some of our bads a reality check"
ruby sapphire
Just kick them
sand egret
?
lusty grotto
uhh...
ruby sapphire
?
lusty grotto
ยฟ
ruby sapphire
โ
sand egret
right....we'll anyway yeah could be fun to crash a raid Nim. Ill hit you up if you wanna crash too ๐
lusty grotto
true
sand egret
well, my plan was to either prot it or try and see how many people I can beat as Feral ๐
stark sage
feral doing pretty good tho
sand egret
is it? that's good to hear
stark sage
above average in logs atleast
sand egret
(i'm very out of the loop)
stark sage
very slightly above average
sand egret
ahh, then looks like I'll be beating some peeps afterall
uneven mason
Feral isn't bad, just high complexity and no real benefit to having one
sand egret
oh i really don't care about any of that, it's just the only dps spec i play
uneven mason
I thought you played prot?
uneven mason
๐ก ๐ข ๐ต ๐ ๐ก
robust bronze
do people inn here do log review?
rapid tide
@robust bronze there is #449510248579858432 for that mostly ๐
undone sun
oblique garnet
easiest 300k of my life
sand egret
yea.... i'm broke as shit as well
sinful stone
where does blood rites stand in the trait ranking
sand egret
id say below most prot-specific ones
modern brook
Blood rites is bottom tier imo because i hate the fact that its brought up a bunch
We like haste yeah; but its not like haste makes our class its just good
So yeah; like blade said, below most prot specifics
naive panther
Chaining blood rite is nice if affixes and dungeon allow it
quartz lake
Do you guys put much stock in what warcraft logs says? My GL said that the number that is assigned to you is based on your damage output. So for tanks it can be misleading, (though you want to obvi output as much damage as possible).
uneven mason
Warcraft logs ranks Damage correct
modern brook
If you're not having trouble surviving mechanics the rest of your attention should be on your damage output
uneven mason
there is no reliable tanking metric
quartz lake
Cool cool ,right there with you guys.
sand egret
logs are good to check out, just not that number ๐
quartz lake
Yeah I dive into them and look at my performance in other aspects.
uneven mason
and seeing where you can optimize
naive panther
Most other tanks have trash spec traits so it can be good for them
uneven mason
is important
modern brook
no
modern brook
๐
uneven mason
git gud, sell +10s
naive panther
Selling a bunch of aotc is good money
quartz lake
I was just being stupid
neon tangle
@naive panther It's certainly an easy way to fund guild cauldrons / feasts
uneven mason
Sanguine feasts, best recipe ever
naive panther
Yeah basically what itโs doing plus we each got a cut for our own supplies
uneven mason
Being all like "Ok folks fishing contests" to back to the legion days of "lets make dick pics out of our feast overstock"
mossy tiger
Hey guys howโs Bloodsport? Priority?
undone sun
@lusty grotto ๐
hidden ether
What do you guys do to prevent overlapping shield block and last stand? Or prevent shield blocking while offtanking it's such habit to press from running mythic plus to always have it as part of rotation
sand egret
practiuce
although tbh, I don't slap SB more than every 6 seconds anyway, so I generally don't have a problem being able to check my habits
urban walrus
Sometimes you want to SB when off tanking for dps as you know you wont need that charge?
sand egret
that being said, hitting it during Last Stand is a classic Blade Blunder
which always comes with a "shit"
hidden ether
Yeah my WA doesnt show LS as a shield block thing so I don't visually see it just a little side buff
urban walrus
change it? ๐
sand egret
i'd check out getting a new WA then ๐
urban walrus
add another WA on top/to side of it?
https://wago.io/WarriorBlockTracker seems like a popular one
hidden ether
I don't know how to WA I'm using a very popular one by Luxthros it just shows it like a buff and harder to see
urban walrus
you can import the one i linked?
hidden ether
Yeah I might try that idk if they will overlap weird or not
urban walrus
it does say it shows the one with the longer duration
undone sun
Moving them is as easy as click and drag
hidden ether
Yeah I know some basics. I might work on it I want to add some audible ques. Pretty much to shame me for using mitigation wrong lol
urban walrus
Just do whatever you need to do to make it obvious when your playing
I'd say investing time into ones UI will give better performance over much else
modern brook
honestly yeah just have a WA for SB that also goes during LS uptime
urban walrus
the game isn't that hard these days, its getting the information and processing it effectively?
modern brook
๐คท never press the buttons when its up
games arent hard
they're just advanced simon says
hidden ether
Yeah I would like to add that to my current one I like the layout and structure
lusty grotto
are you sticking around for good Father @undone sun ?! or are you disappearing again for 8 months
๐ฅ
where's catfriend though
she pops up randomly
speaking of catfriend... weep
waduhek
sick sentinel
weep quit wow
oblique garnet
Uhh i dont think i can ever switch to dps on m+ content
sick sentinel
LOL
lusty grotto
ahahah that reminds me
sick sentinel
"can I like, dps as prot? "
lusty grotto
i think yamo had that same situation running with nimchipadin on his alt with a pug tank
sick sentinel
"I will do more overall"
lusty grotto
@primal crypt
oblique garnet
Yeah i probably would have done more dps overall
lusty grotto
guy just pulled the most random shit
oblique garnet
And we would have had less wipes
lusty grotto
in motherloard iirc
oblique garnet
Tbf boosting a kings rest aint that easy
primal crypt
eh?
oblique garnet
Yeah
primal crypt
what happen?
oblique garnet
With dh tank?
primal crypt
XDDD
oblique garnet
XD
lusty grotto
Dh tank... oof
oblique garnet
Like actually paper tank
oblique garnet
Wanted to try out fury
oblique garnet
Still tho
lusty grotto
i hope i can get into pugs with arms ๐ฆ
oblique garnet
Idk fury aint too bad of an spec in raids
oblique garnet
9 hours hypers
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
cant wait to be disappointed @ chest when i get home
lusty grotto
but its an easy week though
oblique garnet
Yeah
oblique garnet
Yeah the reset isnt in eu yet
lusty grotto
cant wait to see eudora 1 shotting people on tyrannical
shit she did like 80% dmg a shot last week
oblique garnet
Idk if it even is eudora
lusty grotto
im pretty sure it is
lusty grotto
i'll have to look at logs
lusty grotto
shut up
primal crypt
I did a sim
lusty grotto
i mean, last patch i simmed a shitton lower than fury every time
oblique garnet
Wait yamo how much do you sim?
lusty grotto
but when i did pug uldir... i destroyed everyone
primal crypt
fury is like 22k
oblique garnet
Same
primal crypt
arms cant break 17k lmao
oblique garnet
Prot is 14k lmao
lusty grotto
kinda shitty that warrior brings nothing situationally, so we have to pick the optimal meta to get invited to shit
thank god prot got fixed
oblique garnet
Warrior is much better in raids than m+ on anything other than prot
lusty grotto
i was born to play underpowered specs
eh
limit isn't running prot ?
my predictions have been ruined
let me guess... double BrM
lusty grotto
well i guess my predictions haven't been ruined
mortal pike
oblique garnet
Yup
daring marlin
over a KR+11
oblique garnet
Actually insane
oblique garnet
Said its broken people didnt believe me at first
sand egret
yeah i got slapped with "it's not a dps trinket" in these parts
still need to confirm what rules it follows in respect to IP
oblique garnet
I mean ill probably switch it to an dps trinket if i get something insane
neon tangle
@lusty grotto I've seen a few Prots, wildcard used one for tanking opulence I think
at least they did for a few pulls
they also have been running BrM
it's almost like tank balance is OK this tier
weeeeeirdddd
well, unless you play VDH or Guardian
limit's chugging along
6/9 already
lavish oracle
stark sage
that would make sense, the fight seems overtuned on heroic
hollow kite
is gladiators badge the on use pvp trinket with the str buff better or equal to vial?
lusty grotto
nice father thyme nice
sick sentinel
I'm more excited for this reset than I was for this one
lusty grotto
i got a wm
lusty grotto
no eudora today for FH?
fallen rose
is this as good or bad to be it sound pretty bad
sand egret
she's there
lusty grotto
just cant do it with :literalgarbage: ๐ฆ
cedar tide
why is vial of animated blood trinket so good? I have a 410 of that and these other two what should I use http://prntscr.com/mdzuuu
fallen rose
bot what are the best 2 for raid and what are teh best to for M+
low lynx
Does weapon increase our dps tons? For m+
cedar tide
thats already done
lusty grotto
for M+ whatever does most dps
fallen rose
and what about raid
cedar tide
im just wondering about vial for raid since its 4th on list of bis trinkets on the guide
lusty grotto
for raid... diamond is solid
rezan/jes/etc same as last patch with the exception of darkmoon deck
what are you wondering about particularly
when it comes to vial
cedar tide
well its just mastery and on use str vs my other trinkets that are static str
cedar tide
ya they arnt as much as the on use
lusty grotto
mastery gives you more dmg, more passive blocking, higher chance on crit block
cedar tide
but the vial on use its only for 18 sec with decay
fallen rose
how is
lusty grotto
look at what youre comparing it to
bwonsamdi is trash
and vial is super good in M+
the stats on it are solid for raid
cedar tide
why is bwonswamdi's trash?
cedar tide
its decent for progression I feel
lusty grotto
its a conditional proc that does shit all
not at all
its trash
its a copy of haft 
which was literal trash as well
young magnet
Hey Nim. Sorry to bother you but do you think I'd get more damage from vial over jes' overall in a raid setting?
lusty grotto
we'd have to run the numbers
steel mauve
sporepods is garbage
young magnet
frick
cinder nova
Diamond + Rezan's masterrace.
young magnet
i pick jes because my guild's DHs like the vers
hollow kite
why is vial better then the gladiators badge though it gives more str and it doesnt decay
lusty grotto
for dps though... yeah we'd have to do napkin math
vial is just slightly ahead due to the mastery on M+ to badge
on raid settings, im not particularly sure here maybe @fierce juniper can help on that
steel mauve
probably depends on the fight
lusty grotto
i suppose he might be busy
also it depends on the ilvl
would say badge is a solid pick though
steel mauve
if you can get equal casts glad badge would probably be better, but since vial has a 390 second shorter cd, if you can get 1 more cast out it may win out
steel mauve
30* second shorter cd
like the difference between a less than 6 minute fight, and over a 6 min fight
lusty grotto
that's a fair point
steel mauve
thats also more min/maxing than im willing to do at this point in my raiding career
acoustic spire
360 Rezans eye or 375 butchers block to go with a 385 jes howler for +
broken kite
Warrior
Protection
Fixed an issue where Meance could cause Intimidating Shout to disorient targets for longer than 8 seconds when engaged in combat with enemy players.
Morale Killer (PvP Talent) now reduces the cooldown of Demoralizing Shout by 15 seconds (was 30 seconds).
lel
fierce juniper
@lusty grotto whats the question exactly
lusty grotto
he was asking about gladiator's badge vs vial
said that vial was preferred or something, not sure if it is so in the guide
vial of animated blood to be precise
fierce juniper
Assuming equal item level I'd say gladiator's badge is probably a bit better. Same CD but it provides more stat and for longer.
Items that only drop from PvP aren't in the guide though, which is why it's not listed
lusty grotto
ah
steel mauve
vial is a bit shorter cd though, idk if that would factor into it
lusty grotto
yeah i mean competitive ilvl would require more rating than 0 too
steel mauve
1.5 mins on vial, 2 mins on badge, 18 second uptime on vial but decay, 15 seconds uptime on badge
fierce juniper
wait
im dumb
you said vial
i thought you were talking about jes'
For Vial vs. Badge I'd prefer vial since it will line up with Ava/Devo way better
jagged bay
same i have the same trinkets on same ilvl and vial feels better with the lower cd
lusty grotto
yikes these affixes are super ez
charred geyser
Got a 420 Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block from my cache. I'm currently using a 370 Jes and Rezan. Should I switch out for it?
lusty grotto
i would swap jes but that's just me
sand egret
i'd do the same or give me that block and save yourself the choice
undone sun
no
plucky viper
broken moon
how do i drop stacks on Champ?
charred geyser
tank swap or walk away from the boss when it's casting wave of light
next stone
@broken moon You can actually spell reflect the melee and it wont apply a new stack
next stone
yeah when she does the new aura my stacks will have like 3sec left then ill reflect the next melee and itll fall off
And whats the best potion to use a prepot?
broken moon
i use strength
sick sentinel
Str
next stone
is bursting blood any good for prot?
broken roost
I have 1DC and 1BS and just made the engi helm - better to go 2x DC or 2x BS?
only one BoM ๐ฆ
also I assume I want Synaptic Spark Capacitor as my engineering trait
young magnet
Vial or Engine for raiding?
halcyon marsh
how does a prot warrior drop a 15s duration tank debuff on champions of light?
leaping and intervening only got it to 3s then refreshed in such a small room
lucid kelp
so thsiu Cloak/Ring set that gives 150 str
about how many ilevels is it worth?
like it'd be a 15ilevels lower on the cap.e but i'd get 150 str
cinder pasture
@halcyon marsh Spell reflect
halcyon marsh
damn i'm dumb
cinder pasture
We're warriors, we're not known for high intelligence ๐
ember crest
what stacks are you guys swapping at for jadefire after first multi sided?
having issues with burnout
tawny light
lifespeed or bloodsiphon?
cinder pasture
My guild swaps at around 5-7 stacks @ember crest
ember crest
ty
honest pike
Yo did they switch the time on champion of light stacks? i just did it and pop for 14seconds, used to be 10 no? i was struggling to drop stacks with SR
ember crest
you can SR before the prayer and it will reset before cast is over
honest pike
Okay so it wasnt just me
tawny light
i just had ot taunt and then i taunt back at 1s so we ping ponged
honest pike
oh i would just SR and leap away right when he casted Light
and my stacks would drop
tidal sparrow
treacherous covenant?
thorn trail
425 lingering spore pods. how's the proc rate? sounds like a lot of wasted heals to me.
currently using 385 oppulence trinket and it did 20% of my healing in an underrot 10.
undone sun
1.6 rppm, it's not a good trinket
steel mauve
i guess even a high ilvl trinket can be used over some thing else but sporepod is garbage pretty much
undone sun
really only used for the str
honest pike
@heavy chasm right now if you can time the stacks to be at somewhere in 5-6s left before he hits you and u can pop SR then you can drop stacks but like i said i did it earlier and i could not get below 7s on the debuff
heavy chasm
yeah, i was not having success doing so, but thanks @honest pike
do you need to SR and then move or what?
warm plinth
Yeah you would have to kite a little as well to make sure it drops.
brazen aspen
so leap away and SR?
lucid kelp
well you casn also intervene to an ally to get away and then whe she gets closer, Leap back
plus SR
zinc creek
did limit solo tank the first boss using prot war?
open bluff
thought they used a prot pally
but i haven't been keeping tabs on the race; i've only heard stuff through guildies who have been watching
uneven mason
You can't self drop stacks on Champions anymore
20s duration
non spell reflectable
that was a nice surprise
open bluff
did they buff it again?
true plover
So does it look like they expect people to use 3 tanks?
uneven mason
no they expect you to somehow not have 3 adds to taunt
inner trail
uneven mason
also
open bluff
i know it was 15s on sunday
lucid kelp
man I made bank tonight
uneven mason
80 surprise buttseks
ember crest
spicy
dusky mica
Did you get a few from the Opulence treasure piles?
median mauve
What trinkets are the best for pure damage as Prot in M+? Probably looking for something with aoe for big pulls
uneven mason
raw 1.5m
thats 1
3 in a row is untankable
even at 95% reduction
its over 7million damage
dusky mica
for big pulls? Vial probably
modern brook
Rip
uneven mason
@median mauve Vial and a passive mastery trinket
modern brook
Did you live through 2 in a row?
uneven mason
yeah 2 in a row
modern brook
Any externals?
modern brook
๐ก
silk moat
is it a waste to use 6 sockets for haste or... just keep piling on haste ?
uneven mason
haste doesn't really have a cap
modern brook
Or rather itf gets better with more haste
Which is something that is already vgood
So more haste
uneven mason
I mean, its "haste until you have 100% effective uptime on block
which is
when you can roll into mastery town
dusky mica
unless block isnt that important
uneven mason
but more haste doesn't get bad
Well
haste also shortens your GCD
which leads to faster rage
median mauve
Thanks @dusky mica @uneven mason
open bluff
when blocking isn't important, haste just means more IP
dusky mica
without devastator, mega haste leads to some shitty gameplay
and you need HUGE haste to shave 1s off block or slam
silk moat
Would it be terrible to switch my 6 haste gems into 6 mastery gems
dusky mica
for what reason?
240 Haste for 240 mastery, not going to make a difference
If it's for raiding I'd rather swap it to verse, if you must swap
silk moat
Mastery increased block/critblock and attack power. on the one hand you say that too much haste could be bad
uneven mason
master is bigger pewpew
uneven mason
but our stats are all very close together
dusky mica
the amount you get from gems wont make a huge difference
uneven mason
in the end Morg
our stats are like, stuck together like 2 jollyranchers in a fat kids pocket
we have a priority because of damage smoothing
steel mauve
No such thing as too much haste, and too much haste is never bad...
uneven mason
Its more like, haste cap is unreachable
steel mauve
And no, i wouldnt switch haste gems for another stat imo
silk moat
thank you
steel mauve
Basically you can never have too much haste, that amount of haste is virtually unreachable
dusky mica
with the gigavolt engine my haste goes to almost 60%
and that still only takes 1s from block/slam
steel mauve
Still not a bad thing, the only time it would drop off is basically reaching 100% haste
uneven mason
(100% SB uptime)
dusky mica
that's not what anyone said, you can go back to sleep
dusky mica
where's that from?
dusky mica
I dont remember anyone saying whats in the image
morg was taking a response out of context
sharp lotus
Is it possible to have too little mastery though?
dusky mica
you can only have the stats from the loot you own
the way this dumb game is now you're just at the mercy of rng for your stats
silk moat
I wasnt taking a response out of context
dusky mica
"Mastery increased block/critblock and attack power. on the one hand you say that too much haste could be bad"
silk moat
"mega haste leads to some shitty gameplay
and you need HUGE haste to shave 1s off block or slam"
dusky mica
is what someone giffed
silk moat
it just sounds like your implying that taking haste might not be a good thing ?
dusky mica
yeah shitty gameplay because your time window from pressing shit just becomes obnoxious with devastate
silk moat
which is why I asked about trying to throw some mastery in there
dusky mica
against blockable stuff, that is dangerous, you can never have too much haste
but it takes huge amounts of haste to make a dent in your block cd
so your 240 haste gems to 240 mastery wont really matter
It'd would be .2s off block cd or something
if you have that many sockets its not going to kill you to test it out if you feel like it
but I think I'd rather get more verse, if I was going to experiment
undone sun
more mastery is really only for specific situations where guaranteed crit blocks would be useful, like Argus from ABT. but other than that it's too much RNG to start stacking
red sun
hi guys, can brace for impact stack and is that good?
undone sun
all traits stack
for BFI, the increase to block and increase to SS damage stacks nothing more.
red sun
thanks!
merry socket
is triple defeaning and triple bstion the way to go?
fierce juniper
If you want absolute max AoE dps in M+, yeah
I wouldn't generally recommend that, it's not worth losing the survivability from other traits imo
merry socket
would treacherous coven be better then def crash? my other piece has defeaning or dagger in the back which is no bueno
lusty grotto
fuck no
you need 1 DC
yikes i came back and i saw the same question about the same fight ๐ค
asked 20 times, you would think people would read up
stoic summit
if i have no issues with surviving, what is best dps trinkets currently? right now I have 385 Knot of Ancient Fury and 400 Rezan's Gleaming Eye
lusty grotto
if you have issues with surviving, you might be making mistakes
rezan is one of our best trinkets, so go rezan
amber siren
he said no issues
stoic summit
i don't have issues
lusty grotto
oh i misread
lusty grotto
rezan is good for dps
its more str due to ilvl as well
haste is great for both dps and surviving
shorter gcds means more tc casts
merry socket
then two pieces im deciding on is DC or Dagger in the back and DC or treacherous coven
languid sigil
Is it normal that you don't take any damage from Jainas Ice Shards in P1? I'm solo tanking up to 50 stacks and I take 10k per shard, rest gets blocked ๐ค
lusty grotto
go dagger @merry socket + dc, treacherous is detrimental for you
languid sigil
https://puu.sh/CEo8C/4e8df80be3.png This was like when I had 45 stacks
languid sigil
But up to that many stacks?
tawny light
at his point blockades is not worth it right?
lusty grotto
no
sick sentinel
Man I feel bad for Method, seeing limit at 7/9 already Jesus fuck
lusty grotto
dont feel bad
they have been top dawg for a while
granted it's shitty they are held back by location
lusty grotto
perhaps this will give blizz some incentive to actually release on a neutral time zone
lusty grotto
that does sound nice
sick sentinel
It almost sounds like community building
lusty grotto
dont cap rage inr!
sick sentinel
Lol
lusty grotto
xD
sick sentinel
Just annoying is all
The fact that the WF for uldir had so many eyes yet you did nothing for BoD
For once be fucking greedy
lusty grotto
lol
sick sentinel
Like that's free fucking money right on the table
lusty grotto
be careful asking activision to be greedy though :p
sick sentinel
For once I will gladly monkeys paw this shit
lusty grotto
right
sick sentinel
Let's be real tho, at the end of the day I'm shocked we aren't seeing the Korean guild just pubstomping everyone else
astral crystal
god damn grong handed us our asses tonight bois, so much damage
lusty grotto
are you tanking atticus?
sick sentinel
But did you kill it?
sick sentinel
Bitch u ain't WF, the fuck
lusty grotto
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sick sentinel
Fuck u doing mythic first
sick sentinel
Do normal, cause I know u have people not at full 385
sick sentinel
I can't believe that
Taloc was brain dead so I refuse to believe champs is some how easier
astral crystal
you can probably pug it with ease
sick sentinel
I feel like I have no time, esp since I just bought Blackout Royal, and I'm also having to gear my feral since I refuse to dps on my warrior
Just need a 370 weapon and I'll be good
Although my guild is getting on my case about not being chicken wing spec
I'm like bitch, I lived prot warrior and made that shit look good, and that isn't even my main toon, what do think is gonna happen with my actual main
tight tree
Guilds really need to stfu about what specs their players should play ๐
Why no DPS on warrior really? Especially compared to feral, Fury is godly. Personal pref of course.
But for real, if i had to DPS, i'd probably play ranged spec. Played my share of melee and they feel at disadvantage on almost every fight in raids lately.
lusty grotto
except in previous iterations feral was way harder to play
warm plinth
Yeah but that was back in what, 7.3 or 7.3.5 that they changed that?
They made more changes not that long ago that I didn't read much into, but seemed to make them even easier.
lusty grotto
i can't say, but i suppose it remains the same bleed based combat
warm plinth
I wanna say in 8.1 maybe
lusty grotto
which in turn makes them more tedious
warm plinth
I'm not saying they are easier/harder than Fury. I'm saying both specs are equally viable.
Frankly I don't think it gets much easier than Fury
lusty grotto
every spec is equally viable to be fair
warm plinth
Besides havoc maybe
tight tree
I mean, funwise. Fury is way more fun, but that is IMO of course ๐
lusty grotto
because you can have the most meta-frowned class and still destroy baddies
tight tree
haha
warm plinth
That's what a lot of people don't get.
lusty grotto
but i do understand what you're saying
warm plinth
Someone has to be in last place; as long as everyone is close, that isn't a bad thing.
When everyone is close, that means skill matters more
tight tree
Ratings are pretty close. 1-2 rotational mistake will cover the gap and more. Noone plays perfectly
warm plinth
Well that's at the 75th percentile, which is your average player, not gods
tight tree
You also need to enjoy spec to play it better. At least that is how it works for me. Guild leaders think otherwise lol.
lusty grotto
oh that's true for everyone, unless its a mongoloid ez class like havok
warm plinth
I'm of the same opinion. I'm not going to care as much if I make a mistake if I don't really enjoy it in the first place. I probably won't put as much effort into learning it either.
Haha, exactly. I don't have much fun on havoc, but it's so mindnumbingly easy that you can't really fuck it up
tight tree
Exactly. Anf havoc have its moments, i guess too and little things to improve. I just like Fury, because it is fast and mad ๐ But i am not raiding anymore.
I am willing to try ranged but i dont think that there is really fast paced and fun ranged to play at the moment. Eveything have long-ass cast times
Havoc fun comes from feeling, not complexity i think. It looks flashy and feels like you doing something, when in reality you not doing shit
lusty grotto
i dont have a fury spec since vanilla ๐
but hey that's what's fun for you, so im not gonna decide you're a bad player due to your class/spec choice
and obviously i expect people to not judge me as much when i arms ๐
(:
but sadly it looks like im fucked in this tier for pugging hc so ill just stick to tanking m+
timber vault
Grong makin' me mad ๐ข I wanted the shoulders tonight and he gave me the damn mace.
tight tree
I like arms too. I actually like all 3 warrior specs. But pugs will refuse you for being non-meta spec, so m+ it is then ๐
unkempt fox
anyone else playing azerite roulette in 30m? ๐ณ
sick sentinel
My reason for no dpsing as warrior is because i want to be focused on 1 spec for my class and now that I can't swap gear like I used to for m+ in legion, I kinda lost the love for arms dps
Plus, I really don't like having so much shit in my bags or switching specs for something once in awhile
Plus Feral is easier to me then any spec, but that's because I've played it for 10 years
It's also why I hate the WA for things like IP/SB/Demo, because I did not know if these add-ons existed at the time I had to practice and learn the hard way
safe wharf
what do you guys think is a better trinket combo between 395 gigavolt engine, 380 rezan's fury and 385 refracting prism?
for Prot
oblique garnet
Prism engine id say
tight tree
Yeah azerite respec cost is ridiculous idea. Just blizzard fucking up again. With double ring new azerite, i have to choose 1 spec to play or respec every time i want to tank or PvP. Ended up not playing much at all instead.
sick sentinel
I couldn't be fucking asked to do that gear spec shit
tight tree
Unrelated question: now when new raid is out, what you guys think about it? Is warrior good/great for some bosses? Bad on some? Compared to other tanks? Give me your feels 
Also, does FPS drops on new bosses similar to Uldir?
oblique garnet
the game just straight up crashes on some bosses
oh baby actually got the bis shoulders from random azerite cache aswell XD
todays a good day
inland trail
Is there any Tier list of trinkets for Prot Warrior?
prisma crane
justwait on prot warr ๐ค
daring marlin
justwait?
prisma crane
one of the MT for Method
daring marlin
prot is legit now my dude
prisma crane
it's what i've been hearing
daring marlin
won't make you like the way it plays if you liked legion prot though
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
prisma crane
pretty much
tight tree
Well its close to legion prot now.
prisma crane
but idk, i havent been on in nearly 2 months, but ill prob check it out
and it's still much less APM
i've looked
prisma crane
fury is the one warr spec i'll never play
i already resent that i have to spec it to use both warglaives
daring marlin
BUT NEW FURY IS SO FUN
daring marlin
I know. it was a meme.
tight tree
Prot is high APM when avatar is up
prisma crane
well that too, but yea
prisma crane
atleast we
daring marlin
pallies are getting guaranteed crits after popping wings
..................................LOL
prisma crane
aren't boring AND incompetent now ๐
undone sun
๐คฃ
daring marlin
Which is basically an admission that they're fucking dumb about the GCD change
prisma crane
only took em the better part of a year.... fucking blizzard
honestly a major reason i stopped playing
tight tree
GCD change is single worst BfA change.
daring marlin
you know it feels bad popping a cd and nothing happening, GIVE THE PALLIES A GUARANTEED CRIT AFTER USING WINGS LOL
tight tree
Never got used to it, never will
daring marlin
assuming you have BoM
prisma crane
oooh, nothin like baked in macros lol
daring marlin
thyme wants those phat shields that never drop
tight tree
Yes baked in macros was WAY better
prisma crane
and yea, 90%, even though at the end of the day had same overall DR as now FELT much more impactful
tight tree
I take macro stacking any day any second over clunky gameplay
prisma crane
made pooling feel useful
and made me feel like trivial content was actually trivial
undone sun
i could probably find the sceenshot of my IP going over my hp in late legion
daring marlin
I just loved topping HPS in raid between the bracers with 2pc T21, IP and inspiring
prisma crane
i had that a few times on Argus w/ hella Vers
tight tree
Bracers should be baseline /discuss ๐คฃ
daring marlin
that is actually hilarious
undone sun
that was said on alpha
warm plinth
One of the articles on Skyhold recommended making the bracer effect a talent to replace one of our never-gonna-take-it talents
undone sun
should have been a competitive talent with indom
i also remember hearing some very trustable rumors that it was in consideration for a talent
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during beta/alpha
prisma crane
no no, we should slowly die in content 10 levels below max
daring marlin
That'd be nice tbh
prisma crane
as intended
daring marlin
and it wouldn't be overpowered either
cuz our rage gen isn't the same as legion lol
instead we have this garbage
prisma crane
coupled w/ weaker IP too
prisma crane
% wise that is
undone sun
one of the reasons i "quit"
not because arrior is bin, but because class design is bin
prisma crane
and their unwillingness to just try new shit at least
warm plinth
Especially when we have the same shit talents, like Guilford said, for so fucking long
At least TRY to make something competitive
prisma crane
seriously, memes aside about EPIC and fortnite, but man, they try drastic shit and often it backfires, so they revert, and come back with something new or retuned
daring marlin
I just don't understand the idea of here's 10% more stamina as a choice
warm plinth
It's fine to say "well, Indom really isn't BAD; it's just not as good", but that basically means it isn't good. If it was good, we'd still take it in certain circumstances.
prisma crane
and sure as shit, it gets results way fucking faster than 10 month betas that arent listened to
daring marlin
so I can be more of a heal sponge? my class doesn't function like that and they of all people should know that
more stamina from a talent
o m e g a l u l
Bolster is them trying something new and it's awesome
but it's too awesome apparently
warm plinth
Honestly reading some of the articles on Skyhold makes me think Blizz is legitimately using theorycrafter feedback for class balancing purposes lol. They did a lot of the shit Marok and Lala mentioned in the articles.
undone sun
dozen others that are unusable
prisma crane
which were already tame changes because they knew blizz wouldnt make anything actually interesting
why pour yourself into great ideas that fall on deaf ears, just ask the shaman, but hey, at least now they get their 15 min of fame
undone sun
i can, but shouldn't confirm they are directly contacting notable users of discords
tight tree
They actually could do legit talent choices, they are capable (look at brewmaster fe), but somehow refuse to do so. or rather, dont care to allocate resources for it.
prisma crane
but you just did ๐ค
undone sun
๐
prisma crane
contact is great, but results are better
undone sun
oh definitely
prisma crane
i have faith in community leaders, dont have faith in their ability to follow through with bold decisions
undone sun
it sometimes may take some time, or not everything said is 1:1 in game results
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
prisma crane
"their" being blizzard
warm plinth
Well, it depends on what you're looking at. They made changes that might as well have been a result of talking with people, as far as prot goes. You can read the articles for yourself and see the parallels.
sick sentinel
got 410 Razdunk's button trinket, is it any good?
tight tree
True but feels like way too long. We been sitting on same talents for months
warm plinth
Whether they were as impactful (e.g. revised talents) as you'd like them to be is a different story.
sick sentinel
my highest ilvl currently
prisma crane
honestly, just make an expac / patch (at least) that just throws caution to the wind and give everyone what they want, if everyone is OP then everyone is even
prisma crane
people wont care if top guilds use 18 rogues if they're having fun themselves
tight tree
I want talent choice for certain situations. So far only upside is i am saving gold on respec tomes, literally never respec at all. Can just unbind talent window hotkey.
prisma crane
and to be clear "fun" isnt being OP, but playing a class should feel rewarding
warm plinth
Yeah, make something too OP and it's fantastic for about 5 seconds, but then gets boring.
sick sentinel
guys can someone say if the ML trinket good?
tight tree
At least not feel helpless in some situation and have tools to adjust.
sick sentinel
got it as 410
fringe marten
ML trinket?
fringe marten
big red button?
warm plinth
Yeah
daring marlin
yes
fringe marten
it's an outstanding single target damage clicky
tight tree
ML is meh usually but at 410... probably good
warm plinth
You're an outstanding single target damage clicky
tight tree
Depends what other trinks you have
sick sentinel
my other is 385 crit stick and 385 rezan
daring marlin
It's not AMAZING in AoE but it still gains bonus damage for each additional target.
undone sun
hmmm @warm plinth
fringe marten
Got the diamond trinket today in heroic; it's way too good. I expect a nerf.
warm plinth
I'm ashamed.
daring marlin
It is pretty amazing.
fringe marten
that trinket is better than the inner ring azerite trait.
daring marlin
But it's a defensive trinket.
warm plinth
I started semi-gearing my warrior today...up to a whopping 346 boys
daring marlin
snicker @warm plinth
tight tree
346 is good ๐
fringe marten
that trinket is dramatically outperforming the damage absorb shield inner ring az trait.
daring marlin
I mean
It's an inner
It's not that amazing for prot
IV would be better
but
it would still do more absorb/healing overall than IV too
The trinket is just great
fringe marten
Right; but it's out performing it by so much...it makes that stuff look laughable.
daring marlin
sick sentinel
so guys use 410 button right now until I get 400 rezan/howler?
warm plinth
Wow
fringe marten
Yeah for me it was like...a huge % of ignore pain, then a chunk under it..was that trinket. it was my #2 overall healing source every time.
That's what I'm telling you...I'm expecting nerf.
warm plinth
@sick sentinel Is the crit stick on-use or?
daring marlin
I sure hope not.
sick sentinel
@warm plinth yes it's the one from ivus
daring marlin
They made a pretty legit all around tank trinket for once.
I like it.
I liked mythrax trinket but that required you to dip.
fuck I need 9 more tidals for my alchemist trinket
warm plinth
I'd probably play around with the ivus trinket and button and see how it performs. I'm a fan of being able to make sure stat bonuses line up with CDs, so I love the Ivus trinket
warm plinth
Yeah but rezan is a proc isn't it?
fringe marten
I also got a 400 version of that healing seed pod trinket from underrot...it was reworked a while back and it's like? ..I want to like it SO bad, but the reality of it is; your healer tops you off and the pods pop and it's like 80% overhealing. (tried it zonewide btw...it came in at like 586k healing..to the diamonds 2.6m? or so)
warm plinth
You shouldn't listen to me for trinkets. I already got spanked by Guilford once. I need to hold on to my pride.
daring marlin
Dadugan I dislike AV for the same reason.
If it pops at 90% hp and your healer tops you
rip AV healing
fringe marten
Trinkets are the ONLY place we get to have fun... it's not like you can change talents. Wait..wait "OH we're in a raid? I'm gonna' swap to my heroic leap talent..instead of the Tclap radius..." BOOM
warm plinth
M+ fun is gone though. No trinket swaps ๐ญ
fringe marten
ehh..I'm ok with that.
fringe marten
Just shaves off a little min/maxing a lowers the skillcap cieling (and macro button bloat)
warm plinth
I don't really care myself; I was always way too lazy to change them anyway. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
daring marlin
vial is goat
fringe marten
Yeah I liked vial a lot...Legit that sporepod trinket is dangerously close to awesome occassionally. However..if I score a 400 heart from the darkshore worldboss...it's going back in slot 1.
I had the 385 and it was my default M+ trinket along with alchemy 385 for just..damage. now I'm using 400 diamond trinket and 400 alch trinket.
warm plinth
I got knot @ 385 and then went to kill Doom's whatever in Arathi and got the trinket from that...2 on-use ftl
fringe marten
I prefer the knot over the lion's strength. I had both at similar ilevel.
er no? I had lion's at 370 and knot at 385..which is why I used knot.
warm plinth
I feel like Lion is a better match-up for Avatar (better overall buff), but it doesn't line up like Knot does, so I still have Knot macroed to Avatar and just use Lion's to fill in the gaps.
fringe marten
Right...quicker cd's are so nice for M+
warm plinth
Since I don't have a non on-use to replace Lion's anyway
fringe marten
I got lucky too ..for ONCE finally from my cache; got a 410 shield.
fringe marten
Bang M0's..then low keys.. done.
warm plinth
I was gonna suggest heroics but I guess they aren't guaranteed from there.
fringe marten
Also after you craft the 385 trinket and get the 400 recipe; it requires breath of bwonsamdi (like 25?) to get the 400 trinket. and when you break down the 385 at the scrapper, you get ALL 15 tidal cores back and ? a bunch of expulsom.
you don't need tidal cores after the 385 is crafted once.
fringe marten
not as much as you think; people who got aotc on first week..can craft the 415 today (after second clear)
Since angry keystones hasn't been updated.. what M+ timer are folks using now?
unkempt fox
IF - DC - Lifespeed - Resounding protection shoulders, lucky or nah?
old zephyr
It's okay
Depending on your other gear
it's good
it's at least good, and maybe better than that is what I mean
unkempt fox
got goggles so thinking about swapping DC, the options are bloodsport and swirling sands so feelsbadman
old zephyr
but you could have better
since you already have DC it's just "good"
bbloodsport is okay
unkempt fox
between IF and bloodsport i guess its just what encounter needs, right?
ye i guess i would be really upset only with longstrider/reliance inner ring
sick sentinel
I do not like the goggles in the slightest for prot
no bom
they are also amazing for fury so ๐คท
unkempt fox
i wonder why BoM is listed so low in the guide