protection

[oblique garnet]

yeah i mean

theres no downside of not capping rage

since it lowers cds of your other abilities

[idle kindle]

great thanks

[fickle juniper]

@oblique garnet so I dont need to dump rage into revenge when Im capping?

[oblique garnet]

You can

[tight tree]

Do it unless you need IP, ie taking dangerous damage.

[oblique garnet]

^

[tight tree]

If you not taking dangerous damage, its on healers, and you go ham 👌

[sick sentinel]

if you want to spend your rage and you get revenge procs

you can overcap your IP

becuase you need to always keep spending rage for anger management

[proven galleon]

Yo boys, how are you managing Rastakhans spell damage

[steady fiber]

hi guys, any tips should i reroll the Bs profession to alch ? i mean for trink and i gues it's more usefull then Bs atm

[autumn pendant]

You can still get legs and i believe waist...? From BS. And keep scrapping them and recrafting till you get desired stats

In general alchemy is best profession but its pricey to level it

[steady fiber]

well just dunno, older day's bs would give sockets, like in wotlk, atm i noticed it's like dunno nearly useless 😄

or that is just for me

[ionic fern]

@proven galleon anything specific? For the Scortch you have SR up for all of them.

[proven galleon]

yeah its the Scortch but still with SR he seems to shred me like a madman

[ionic fern]

Got any logs?

[proven galleon]

lemme check if it got logged

do i pm you or post here?

[ionic fern]

Doesn't matter.

[sick sentinel]

for prot since more stats>better stats, BS is not that useful

JC and alchemy is better for gear

I don't like eng helm because it does not have BoM

[rapid tide]

Mhm. What are you in general thinking about the worldboss trinket from Darkshore? The 1 minute cd aligns more or less with every other Avatar, considering to grab it for m+

Together with Rezan's Gleaming

And then Opulence trinket over it for raids or stuff when I need more defensive capability.

[sick sentinel]

darkshore trinket is very,very good

[trim jungle]

Hey guys. So I play fury, but I had a question about something I read on icy veins. It makes it sound like you need three tanks for Champion of Light fight?

[old zephyr]

Did it with 2 on HM without issues

Haven't tried MM yet obviously

[trim jungle]

Yeah I wasn’t sure if it was maybe just for mythic or what

[autumn pendant]

Heroic is easily doable with 2 tanks

[old zephyr]

I didn't read anything on IV that makes me want to 3tank it, did I liss smth?

[marble cipher]

Depending on raid dps and healers, you can brute force champions on hc.

[tired cove]

i think i';ma make the alch trinket for tanking cause helms are easier to get in the trinket sin bobordem seem meh

[old zephyr]

I don't really see anything that would call for 3 tanks really

at least not if you are a warrior

Spell reflect the sacred blade to reset stacks and you are good

It can be a bit tricky, but it works fine

If you fail call for an external till next SR

[modest wedge]

spell reflect can reset stacks 🤔 ?

[austere oar]

I think it can give you the time to reset your stacks

Let the debuff fade

[old zephyr]

You can spell refelct the debuff yes

so if you do It after a cast of Wave of light, it will reset your stacks

[marble cipher]

We just stacked everything on top of each other, killed first wave of adds with Cleave, nuked boss after that. Healing cd rotation and tank swap on high stacks. Went down easy enough.
Will most likely not be possible in M though.

[old zephyr]

we did it without tank swap in 2 or 3 tries (DPSs forgot to dodge wave of light and to kill the Adds)

Also we had tous explains the healers What an external is

[tired cove]

did your tank call for a external or was he expecting them to just use them

[old zephyr]

I called for them

After hand I said that I Didnt get any and healers went "what's an external dude ?"

[tired cove]

LMFAO

oof

comforts 4xtch it's okay friend

[old zephyr]

I failed my First reflect, called for external Since I needed 25 secs to reset, got nothing

[hollow thorn]

yikers

[tired cove]

i just call everything by it's name

give me bark

give me cocoon

[old zephyr]

As a bareley reseted Ith 10% HPs a6wild pain suppression apeared

Healer were supposed to have set up à d rotation

2nd pull, I call for external, got 3 of them

[tired cove]

I have a WA that tell's me when a healer uses a external in nice big bold text

it's like SOSO used TRANQULITY and it counts it down

pretty nice

[old zephyr]

I have wa that track external that I get

But I can't do my job, the dps job aaaand the healers job

[tired cove]

i have 2 one says who used it and another one that announces in voice which one is on me

[old zephyr]

Mine and dps is enough already

[tight tree]

I tell my druid "Give me bark"
Druid: "WOOF WOOF"

[tired cove]

lol

[tight tree]

Also, to paladins: "Sac me #name"

[old zephyr]

Felt really pain full to do more dps that some of the dd when i'm not even cleaving adds

[tired cove]

mthic guild or heroic only ?

[pulsar elbow]

Is it "normal" that our guardian druid generates way more threat then prot warrior? We are 1-2 ilvls appart. It feels like he can generate 4-5x as much as me during taunt

[vocal nimbus]

during his taunt?

taunt makes the one who taunts generate 300% extra threat for 3 seconds

[pulsar elbow]

yeah for example when i taunt i generate 1000 threat (using omen, not an exact number, just an example) during the 2-3 abilities i cast when taunt is up for me. When our druid taunts he is able to generate 3-4000

i am doing shield slam+ tc/revenge

[tired cove]

you mean shield slam right

and now shield block

[pulsar elbow]

yeah

-.-

[vocal nimbus]

🤷

is that when you have cds or not

[sharp lotus]

Is ignore pain buffed by anything besides strength and vers?

[vocal nimbus]

Iirc its based on attack power 🤔

which is increased by mastery too

theres also an azerite trait that boosts it

[sick sentinel]

str, vers and mastery increase AP and IP gets increased with AP

[junior igloo]

Weapon dps, strength, mastery, and versatility all work directly.
Haste indirectly (you generate more rage, so more IP casts).

[modest wedge]

bloodsport was best azerite for this week affixes

[sharp lotus]

My IP went up from 35k to 50k on certain casts. not during avatar

I cant figure out why

[vocal nimbus]

IP caps at 1.3x times a base cast

[marble cipher]

alch trinket proc? @sharp lotus

[vocal nimbus]

Maybe you casted it twice?

[sharp lotus]

no @marble cipher

[marble cipher]

was my best bet, though it wouldn't account for such a big difference I guess

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp lotus]

oh, you are right i think @vocal nimbus

I just thought it couldnt stack at all anymore

[vocal nimbus]

marok put up somewhere a IP WA that tracks the cap

[sharp lotus]

I am using his IP WA if thats what you are talking about, Do the numbers turn red oncap?

[vocal nimbus]

Afaik they turn red when casting another IP would go over the cap

[sharp lotus]

ok thanks

[vocal nimbus]

Yellow when the cap is not close and the waste is not that big

[sharp lotus]

ahh

[jolly wasp]

Guys are the engi goggles traits good for prot? the Relational Normalization Gizmo looks pretty neat but is it actually good?

[dreamy owl]

For m+ should I use 390 rezan with a 385 mekkacock trinket or should I use a 415 opulence trinket

[sick sentinel]

They are good for raids

I don't like them for mplus because they don't have BoM

[primal crypt]

Engineer goggles are good yes

But you should aim to get BoM pieces

But engineer goggles will be good for a little bit

Should be able to craft the 415 really quickly

Just need to clear the raid consistently

Also, I personally use the synaptic thing

5% reduced dmg and dmg done to mobs

[sharp lotus]

Does anyone have any tips for Shadow of Zul in kings rest (mob right before last boss)? Is there anything I can do besides playing my spell reflects down early?

[heavy chasm]

The chance at bleed removal is strong If q little unreliabe

[primal crypt]

The normalization gizmo is about 2ppm, but it could be two strength procs instead of any haste, which isnt bad, just prefer the other trait

The bleed removal isn't worth imo

Yeah it's strong when it happens, but the absorbatron procs a lot

And saves lives

Especially in quaking

I was surprised at the uptime of the absorbatron

[marble wave]

survivability vise all stats a nearly the same, and haste slightly better, based on guides, but any pref for stats for m+ aoe damage with 2+ bom?

[vocal nimbus]

@sharp lotus use your own cds one after another, then ask for externals and finally pray

[primal crypt]

Haste/mastery in M+

Crit is really nice too if your gear is stacked that way

But I use mastery food and try and hold haste mastery for bigger avatar moments

Of course ilvl before even thinking about stats

I really want 3 bom though :(

I lost all my bom pieces @oblique garnet

[sand egret]

@sharp lotus also, a thing I did last night was to utilize the melee in the group. I had a WW and a DK so I had the DK taunt and AMS a few bolts while my healer could top me off. later the WW did it with Touch of Karma.

a HDH could do it as well

[primal crypt]

Or you can kite zul

[uneven mason]

Zul in KR on Fort? Use lust blow his ass up

[primal crypt]

All the way to the beginning of the dungeon

Then use the flight master back

[uneven mason]

yeah you can also just run like mad

[primal crypt]

Ez

[uneven mason]

use your CDs to build aggro

then when you're gonna run out of them

start running

[primal crypt]

Run and never look back

[uneven mason]

he should die before he gets to the zone in

you hope

But really just burn lust on him

the last boss doesn't need it

course

can't use lust on axe lady then

[primal crypt]

Tyrannical this week

[uneven mason]

EZ

[primal crypt]

EZ

[uneven mason]

KR gets easier on TYrannical

hell, I can't think of a dungeon that doesn't

outside of the first boss in KR

[primal crypt]

tyr/raging/volc/reap

[uneven mason]

NO AFFIXES

[primal crypt]

Field day

Time to clap them cheeks bois

Make sure to bring a hunter or druid

To get rid of raging

Profit

[uneven mason]

Had a Warlock in some guild pushes last night

didn't think I could beat him in damage

<

I didn't quite, and I'm ashamed, but its because the healer started screaming

because I killed everyone

#Bursting

[sick sentinel]

anyone using engineer helmet?

[uneven mason]

Whats the inquiry

[primal crypt]

Im using engineer helmet

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt BETRAYER

[primal crypt]

No drops

Full world tour

Zero bom

[oblique garnet]

you went fury anyways :<

[uneven mason]

0_o

Y U HERE FURYBOY

[primal crypt]

Oh yeah well

YOLOOOOOOOO

I can't go fury for keys

So there's that

Can only tank in keys

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel got one ready for grong since it removes the bleed

[primal crypt]

What's the internal cd

For the bleed removal

[uneven mason]

TFW Dark Iron Dwarf

[astral crystal]

395 socket sword or 410 no socket

[sick sentinel]

410

[vocal skiff]

How good is Mchimba's Ritual Bandages

I got a 395 right now, would replace either blockades or sporepods

both in 350 range

[sick sentinel]

its good for expulsom

[vocal skiff]

Oh that's frustraing

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel im dark iron dwarf i can remove bleeds with racial

[vocal skiff]

Isn't it better than sporepods though, especially given the ilvl difference

[primal crypt]

No

[royal marten]

The bandages are good if you're proactive in using it

but it's a lot of work for eh level gain

[uneven mason]

Yes its better just from the raw str gain git FuryYamo

45 ilvls

pretty big step up

not over blockades tho

[primal crypt]

I only read blockades

[orchid sand]

What loot spec are you guys in when looting weekly chest"

[sand egret]

Prot

[uneven mason]

Protection

[sand egret]

gotta get that shield yo

[uneven mason]

cuz shield titanforge to 420~

[orchid sand]

ty

man, Im glad I came and asked

[primal crypt]

Prot most def

[lusty grotto]

morning fam

what up

[primal crypt]

If you get a weapon

You'd be so salty

[lusty grotto]

yamo

[primal crypt]

Sup nim

[uneven mason]

I mean

if I got a 420 weapon

[lusty grotto]

are we ready for the quote of the day?!

[uneven mason]

I'd be ok with that too

[primal crypt]

A 420 shield though

Boiiiii

[uneven mason]

yeah

[primal crypt]

You'd be set

[uneven mason]

or a 425 Rezan's

[primal crypt]

Mmmmmmm

[lusty grotto]

jesus dont

cause i know ill be dissapointed

[primal crypt]

But you can get rezan from dps too

[orchid sand]

I was always in a dps loot spec in legion every tues morning

[uneven mason]

Yeah

but you can get it from prot too

[primal crypt]

True true

[uneven mason]

TBH I Might put my loot spec on Fury today

cause I could use a 410 2h

[primal crypt]

I have to put mine on fury :(

[lusty grotto]

😃

[primal crypt]

I have low 2h

[uneven mason]

but better not

[primal crypt]

And the raid is mad

[uneven mason]

cause need that 420 shield

[lusty grotto]

what happened to your rogue yamo

[primal crypt]

My rogue?

What about my rogue

??

[lusty grotto]

i thought you were rerolling

[primal crypt]

Wat

[lusty grotto]

forced reroll

that's what people here said

[primal crypt]

Forced reroll fury

Not rogue

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[primal crypt]

I got replaced by officers rolling double monka

[lusty grotto]

yuck

[primal crypt]

Good for prog I guess

They said I can roll for whatever I want as long as Im not a detriment to the raid dps

So i need better weapons :(

I started heroic with 370s for my 2h

They weren't too happy about that

[lusty grotto]

not being able to play what i want, is something ill never do again

i feel for you 😦

[primal crypt]

Im happy dpsing

Since I tank in keys

So yolo

[lusty grotto]

fuck fury though

[primal crypt]

As long as I get the raid gear I want

Im happy

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[primal crypt]

Got full access to trinkets

Btw, that jaina trinket

Whew boy

[lusty grotto]

true

[primal crypt]

It does a lot of dmg in keys

Applies from thunder clap too

So technically we have a slow now lol

Just have to stack that shit up

[lusty grotto]

movement slows dont stack though

[primal crypt]

I only tested with a 390 version though

:/

[lusty grotto]

my bro is now doing medical clinical trials 😢 so i can only push keys on weekends 😢

[uneven mason]

whats the % slow on Jaina trinket?

[lusty grotto]

20%

so its lower than thunderclap

its 2% stacking to 10 times

[uneven mason]

TC is 20%

so uh, no point

[primal crypt]

I legit forgot tc had a slow lol

[uneven mason]

yeah it used to be 50%

[primal crypt]

Lmaoo

[uneven mason]

big kites

[lusty grotto]

oh right, i thought tc was 25

[uneven mason]

then they're like naaaaaa we want you to take Dragon's roar for that

[primal crypt]

Well, if anything, the dot dmg is good from the trinket then

[uneven mason]

GOLLY GEE, a 6second snare on a 30s CD?

THANKS MAY I HAVE A NOTHER

[primal crypt]

Tried to find you guys the logs, but cbf on my phone

Spark coil is really good too

High uptime

[uneven mason]

SO helping guildies push keys

last night, I wasn't excpecting anything

but ended up with a 395 vial

[primal crypt]

Trash

Just delete it

[uneven mason]

Mastery is master stat

to the sky

[primal crypt]

Yup garbage

Scrap it

I dont have one yet

[dusk locust]

do you guys just macro active trinkets to avatar

[primal crypt]

So it doesnt matter

[uneven mason]

if they lint up reguarally

vial doesn't

[dusk locust]

i have i think vial and that one off of mekkatorque

[primal crypt]

Vial is 1.5m?

Or is it 2m

[dusk locust]

thinking 1.5

[primal crypt]

Yeah, wont line up

[dusk locust]

yeah

do you use them manually then?

just on cd?

[primal crypt]

Yyp

Yup

[sick sentinel]

this guy in #fury just got a 425 gore block

[primal crypt]

I have my on use bound to TC and avatar

[uneven mason]

Why does Armory never update anyway

like

it has me wearing gear I scrapped 5 days ago

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel tell him to scrap it

[dusk locust]

if it's straight up use on cd i feel like i may as well macro it to demo shout or something

[primal crypt]

Just macro so it's used

Otherwise you're wasting

Trinkets and CDs you want the highest uptimes possible

Thats why people pull for lust

To get the max uses

[uneven mason]

Avatar and vial are both 90s

in theory you should have vial for every other avatar

due to AM

[dusk locust]

so far i've had it macro'd to avatar, but i manually press it if i notice it's desync'd and i'm on a large pack

i'm sure i could use it better though

[uneven mason]

that extra armor bump

is pretty snazzy

bigger IPs

[primal crypt]

Wifey just opened my box for me

Got a ring bois

Juicy haste

[uneven mason]

👍

If I get another ring

Or boots

or belt

or legs

[long tinsel]

Holy shit that's a boss ring

[primal crypt]

Or any armor

[uneven mason]

so many fucking boots

I'd be mad at a cloak too

[primal crypt]

So you like to collect Jordans

[uneven mason]

but rings are the least impactful slot

[primal crypt]

Nothing wrong with that

[uneven mason]

its like

No its like

someone keeps leaving used PUMA's at my doorstep for me to throw into the incinerator

Jordan's would be like, getting an upgrade

@primal crypt introduce your wife to the concept of the snipping tool

its only been on Windows since like 2002

[primal crypt]

Lmao

She just opened my comp

[uneven mason]

fucking cellphone screenshots

[primal crypt]

Didnt bother opening discord

Cbf she said

Literally hit me with "deal with it"

[sand egret]

thats a keeper

😃

[primal crypt]

Lol, she was still sleeping

[sand egret]

and you made her peep your cache?!

[primal crypt]

I asked her about her cache first

[sand egret]

boii hope she dont know about the scrapper

[primal crypt]

Then when she said she was going to check hera

I said check mine lol

[sand egret]

ahhh clever clever

[primal crypt]

I did tell her about the snip tool though

And where it was on my toolbar

[signal plover]

#casual

[primal crypt]

See sent me a picture of her hand with a middle finger

[sand egret]

hahahaha

[oblique garnet]

Wildcard Gaming WF PogChamP!?

[primal crypt]

??

Did someone get something good?

[uneven mason]

WCG got 2nd bossdown before limit

oboy

[primal crypt]

LMAO

[uneven mason]

Limit not in first, GUESS they should've recleared heroic

[primal crypt]

they're already clearing mythic??

Jesus

40 min in

[signal plover]

Ya it's called a race ;)

Was the 1st boss charity levels of free loot?

[uneven mason]

yes

one pull

[primal crypt]

3rd boss is giving probs

The raw dmg

Yikers

[daring marlin]

reset day was bleh

legs on warrior and lock both!

[uneven mason]

Yeah Guil, just imagine how I feel

I got the R.A.G.E. on my BDK

from the weekly

last week

and I got a pair of boots HURRRR

on my warrior

I should say

I got 56 gold

[primal crypt]

Where is limit??

Didnt they do a 9000 dollar transfer for advantage?

[uneven mason]

70million gold

[primal crypt]

Yup

Down the drain

[thorny laurel]

Is Jainas Anchor trinket good for damage as prot?

[vocal elm]

400 Azerite piece >> 370 piece regardless of traits? or is 370 still better if it gives you your one deafening crash?

[sand egret]

400 would be better yeah

[uneven mason]

yes Delgalo

[sand egret]

esp if that 370 is a 4-ring

[uneven mason]

a 5 ring 400 will beat a 370

DC Is good

but Its not really 30ilvls +20% Stam and additional primary trait good

[sand egret]

^

[vocal elm]

370 is 5 ring. I was just 2 short of buying a random 400 helm this morning. Didnt want to get rid of helm to get the 2 residum to have it be a downgrade

[uneven mason]

get the 400 heh

My wife complains she never gets gear ever, so I finally looked at her character - she wasn't a mythic raider and has the same ilvl as my prot warrior

😿 🔫

[signal plover]

It really equals out over the course of a tier. Nowadays M raiders just reach the peak quicker

[daring marlin]

significantly quicker

[signal plover]

Ya

But cuz of the TF blocks/limits on azerite and weapons, it never rly bloats beyond.

[broken moon]

okay, so i need to know this..

[daring marlin]

yes

[broken moon]

like i need a number to keep myself sane

what should my verse be at

[daring marlin]

lol

[broken moon]

im basically going ilvl where it matters, have haste on every piece

im sitting at 9% verse

[old zephyr]

0 vers is good

[daring marlin]

^^^

[old zephyr]

15 is good as well

[broken moon]

arent we Haste>Verse>>>>

[sick sentinel]

5% avoidance B)

[primal crypt]

Lmao

No

Highest ilvl

[uneven mason]

@broken moon ilvl > whatever

[primal crypt]

All stats are good

Haste is really nice to have

[uneven mason]

if you really want to nitpick

haste is best for smoothing damage (due to SB uptime)

vers/mast are equal for raw mitigation

[old zephyr]

Ilvl is best, then Haste is your favorite secondary

[uneven mason]

crit is strong, but random

so basically wear highest ilvl

and smile

[primal crypt]

Yup

Not sure who told you best stats numbers lol

[broken moon]

pretty sure i saw it in one of the guides, not sure tbh

[primal crypt]

Nope

[uneven mason]

There is a priority

[primal crypt]

Ilvl

[uneven mason]

but no stat breaks

[primal crypt]

Everything

[broken moon]

well i know ilvl is priority

except with rings and trink (kind of)

[uneven mason]

its Haste > mast = vers > crit for smoothing (reliable smoothing)

[sand egret]

hey, i'm having a brain fart. Taunt's DR window is 15 seconds like the rest of CC right?

[uneven mason]

yes, but it requires 5 taunts iirc to hit it

not all bosses have DR from taunt

[sand egret]

ahh cool, yeah I'm watching Wildcard's stream and it's been a grip since i've raid tanked...and they're definitely taunting within that 15 second window

[uneven mason]

yeah

[sand egret]

good looks for the info

[uneven mason]

its only certain bosses

who you could DR

like Ghuun I don't think I ever DR'd him

and we were taunting at 3

because lol melee

[sand egret]

didn't realize it was boss specific, but i imagine any "swap" boss doesnt have it

[uneven mason]

well

there are kiting tactics

that you can abuse with chain taunting

[sand egret]

well most, I should say

[uneven mason]

so I'm sure that it DOES have DR

[sand egret]

yeah for sure

[uneven mason]

but its like, at 9 instead of 5

or the window is only 6 seconds

rather than 15

[sand egret]

knowing it's not 100% the same across the board is good to know

[uneven mason]

Someone more technically inclined probably knows more about it

but more or less you don't hit it following mechanics

[broken moon]

41% haste with ITF 5stack

[uneven mason]

Maghar lol

"stickbuttboy"

"Look at my uprightness"

sorry

upright orcs crack me up

[broken moon]

i like to look pretty when i get the living daylights beat out of me okay?

[sand egret]

love that mog set

im trying to farm the heroic one on my war

[naive panther]

Glad im not the only that thinks upright orcs are wonky

[sand egret]

i don't mind em tbh

[uneven mason]

I ❤ my Green hunchback Hulks

[sand egret]

it's a nice change, but some of the rigging gets messed up

[naive panther]

I think they could have done a better job with it

Shoulders just obscenely far back and makes the neck area strange

[broken moon]

i like it

nothing beats my monk tho

[plucky viper]

mean looking

[broken moon]

The most elusive of brawlers.

[plucky viper]

a good prot warrior would slap you around like a cheerleader

<flex>

[broken moon]

You literally cant touch this

[plucky viper]

heh

[broken moon]

heh

[modern brook]

If tanking is playing tag

Warriors are the best

because we just keep saying nuh-uh u didnt touch me

[sand egret]

can't be hit if you ignore it

[plucky viper]

ignore pain off gcd is the best thing ever

[modern brook]

SB* is the best thing ever

IP off gcd makes us faceroll

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/539514631761166336/unknown.png

[sand egret]

it's nice, but I'm one of the warriors who actually didn't mind it on the gcd before

[broken moon]

i was SO happy when they fixed that. i mained BrM for so long, but post legion it just felt boring

i can honestly say prot warrior has become by far my favorite tank

i tried prot pally but spike damage is stupid

[autumn pendant]

@uneven mason what does A stand for in that pic

[uneven mason]

Absorb

that's IP and a priest shield

[autumn pendant]

Thanks

[uneven mason]

A Absorb B Block R raw

[daring marlin]

pug rogue in my group got that

omega

[royal marten]

maximum roll the bones build

[plucky viper]

vendor that

[broken roost]

And I'm still using a 355 permafrost heart :(

[royal marten]

RNGesus take the wheel

[daring marlin]

man

the 11 is a siege too

this game loves making me do siege lol

[royal marten]

anyone do the first boss yet in BoD? Is it still a 10 sec dot or 15?

[runic fractal]

anyone else struggling to stay alive on jadefire masters hc?

the dragon phase is melting me and the other tank

we're swapping on 5 stacks of pyroblast

[sick sentinel]

do more damage so the dragon phase lasts less 😛

[daring marlin]

last week our dragon died like 2 seconds into the phase

I was pissed cuz I couldn't havoc 😠

[runic fractal]

i put logs in #449510248579858432 if anyone can take a look would be appreciated.

[daring patrol]

420 butcherblock, not baaahd

[uneven mason]

@runic fractal whats wiping you?

[runic fractal]

the dragons at the end are just melting me and cotank

they are alive for a long time

[final mist]

@runic fractal Use IP more. You have 17 casts over the entire fight.

Your DPS in general across the raid also just sucks.

Two hunters below you doing ~10k DPS.

[runic fractal]

🤔

thanks, will try to use IP more. I generally dump rage into revenge but depends on my HP i guess

[old zephyr]

15 stacks of pyroblast were okay for both me and my BrM cotank

[uneven mason]

@runic fractal Phoenix after the transistion does fire damage, so he's going to melt you

[old zephyr]

What we did was I maintanked monk, and Cotank taunted so he gets hit by the trial.
Then I take monk back and he takes mage with increased healing received

[signal plover]

We just swapped on monk debuff

Raid dmg is a lil spiky when fireball wears off but should be doable

Or whatever that debuff is called

[wraith hemlock]

are prot specific traits always better than non specific? Cuz I have blood rite on one of my azerite pieces and it gives haste

[old zephyr]

We did that in the begining but this didn't work very well

So we swapped right before and right after monk de buff

[runic fractal]

@old zephyr how many stacks of pyro did your cotank get?

[steel mauve]

Usually prot specific traits are better than generic traits, in most situations

[wraith hemlock]

vs blood sport?

[steel mauve]

Blood sport is pretty good

All of our prot traits are really strong in one way or another honestly

[uneven mason]

the Revenge one is pretty meh, in most situations

[wraith hemlock]

roger, thanks"

[uneven mason]

BS is great vs magic damage

I want 3x BS for Mythic Jadefire

cause that mage

[broken roost]

Does the %DR stack from the revenge trait?

[uneven mason]

yes

so 3 of them will give you 4.5% overall DR

[broken roost]

Good, I was treating it as such

[uneven mason]

which isn't bad

especially nice in M+ defensively

all in all though IF or BFI will be more DR

and DC/BoM certianly crush it for DPS

I need 3x DC/BoM

Because dead mobs can't hurt me

[plain ice]

410 butcher block with a socket. Poggers

From the weekly chest

[old zephyr]

@runic fractal i dont know 15-20 Maybe

Reached 40 on p3

[runic fractal]

how does that not one shot the raid when the debuff falls off

[uneven mason]

Don't let the debuff fall off

also

use CDs

the DOT doesn't hurt that bad

its everything else that hurts

[old zephyr]

40 did kill the raid but the boss6died First

[uneven mason]

First HC kill for my guild we just had 1 tank eat all the stacks for the end of the fight

you stand inside of a SLT/Barrier

treat it like the barrier rush on Mother

[daring marlin]

SLT what's that

our rsham quit

[uneven mason]

Spirit Link Totem

[daring marlin]

😠

[uneven mason]

the most powerful raid CD ever.

go Big D rally/last stand

[daring marlin]

I know what it is you absolute egghead

GAWL

[old zephyr]

25 never kills our raid (and we are not overgearing it)

[uneven mason]

Guilford, I never know with you.

[sand egret]

hey @daring marlin its SPIRIT LINK TOTEM

[daring marlin]

how dare you

hey blade

[spiral ravine]

Prot sims are available now? i just managed to load a simc string on raidbots

[daring marlin]

you're a traitor

💔

[sand egret]

leis

[broken roost]

As of yesterday, they 'work' in that it will give you an answer, but it's not necessarily accurate or consistent because some backend working isnt done

I don't know any details or anything, but while I was lurking yesterday peeps talked about it

[daring marlin]

man

simming tanks

epic meme

[broken roost]

Simming tanky dps**

[sand egret]

Swimming tanky dps doesn't happen until 8.2

[daring marlin]

heh

I love reaping as a DiD

debuff? wuts dat?

lul

[uneven mason]

I ❤ reaping as a prot warrior

Victory rush

[daring marlin]

yes

[uneven mason]

victory rush for days

[spiral ravine]

Yeah i was running some sims then accidentally loaded a prot string and worked and i was like oh

[sand egret]

I got me a FH key on my warrior this week 😃

[daring marlin]

yeah my first key was a 9 FH

free indeed

lucky rogue got a 410 socketed harlan's

I linked it like half an hour ago lol

[sand egret]

dang

[uneven mason]

Wish I could see what I got in my participation prize box

but I have to wait to be disappointed

at least most of my slots will be ilvl upgrades

[sand egret]

i got gloves

nice since they wf'd to 415 but gloves aren't very exciting

[daring marlin]

aw

bunch of people I know got weapons

like @outer dew

guess he went up 3 ilvls from it LOL

[sand egret]

jesus. my druid has basically caught up to my warrior which stinks

war is getting no luck

[daring marlin]

that's a good thing

I still wanna play my pally at some point but more than 2 characters is bleh

plus they nerfed light's decree

jerks 😦

[sand egret]

yeah i mean at the end of the day it's just gains, but I'd like my war to get some love soon

[uneven mason]

I keep 4 tanks up to par right now

Warrior DK Pal and Druid

[oblique garnet]

Opulence mythic is not free?? oh noes

[uneven mason]

🖕 monks

[daring marlin]

blade I feel that

[sand egret]

i can do 2 pretty well, i may think about getting a 3rd

[daring marlin]

when I hit cap on my lock

two weeks in a row the weekly cache gave me 395 pieces

[uneven mason]

Y u not do 10s

sumlazy?

[daring marlin]

?

I'm talking before S2

[uneven mason]

395?

Oh

ok

[daring marlin]

goofball

me am mac

2manyblows2head

😃

[uneven mason]

Well, S1 in 2019?

Y so behind Guilford

[daring marlin]

I don't even

point being my lock outgeared my warrior with a quickness

rng is funny af

[uneven mason]

Yeah, my BDK who I Have done like 2 raids on is only 2 points behind my warrior

[sand egret]

I may just level my VDH to get a 3rd tank going

[daring marlin]

man y'all are wildin'

[uneven mason]

VDH and tank in the same thought

[sand egret]

people thought that way about prot once 😃

but I like him and i'm not playing any of the other tanks

[daring marlin]

pally is fun blade

[sand egret]

ehhh Pally has never appealed to me

they just seem like lame warriors

[daring marlin]

squints

[outer dew]

guilford squints a lot

[hidden ether]

So what's everyone's plan with TR? Almost feel like random 415 are the way to go!

[outer dew]

he's bootleg chuck norris tbh

[ebon hound]

That's the common consensus, Lapietra

[sand egret]

that's what i'm doing

(i also only M+ so mythic raid is out of the question)

[hidden ether]

With all our stats being so even and a lot of raid gear comes with Our thunderstomp move

[sand egret]

correct term is "Booty Clap"

[hidden ether]

Nice, how's everyone progressing on raid?

Booty clap fat

Well I typed FTW but I'll take that autocorrect 😂

[sand egret]

well if you stack BoM

your booty claps shall be fat indeed

[hidden ether]

Haha I am quite tempted to get the good dps I need to do some log reviews caculator says I should be doing 13K patchwork and I'm doing around 8K for non patch fights.

Obviously survival is > damage but I'm not dying so let's crank that up lol

[sand egret]

well to be clear, BoM is fatty but really for M+ deeps. for raiding other options will suit ya better

[hidden ether]

What's highest output for single target?

[sand egret]

BFI

now...if you can get BoM AND BFI. (with 1x DC) you be living the dream

im gunning for 3x BoM 2x BFI 1x DC

[hidden ether]

Have gear picked out or trying to get lucky?

I saw a lot of D.C. On raid gear

[sand egret]

i've mapped that out for dungeons/TR vendor

since I don't raid, i don't include those pieces

[hidden ether]

Ahh I raid some but can't good mythic progress in guilds #3 tank

[sand egret]

ahh, i see. Yeah the vendor has a setup you can get 3x BoM 2x BFI and a DC by itself. with the icing of 2x OP and being able to also get an IV

[west turtle]

so, is Jes' Howler good for prot? I got it at 415, but I don't know what's the right timing to get the most benefit out of it

[fierce juniper]

Yes, it's very good

[west turtle]

do I need to use it as another defensive, time it for burst DPS or pop it on bloodlust?

[hushed cobalt]

I have a 390 rezans, 390 lions howl thing, and a 385 ancient knot(will be coining 400 probably).

Would farming underrot for a vial, to pair (and alternate using with avatar) be not worth the X times hoping for it to drop?

[honest canopy]

I am rundning rezan 395 and The alcjemist 385 zz

Will upgrade The alcjemist stone to 400 tho

Is it worth farm underroot?

[uneven mason]

@west turtle yes to all of those

[fierce juniper]

@west turtle Yeah, it's important that it's used correctly because if it's not then it's not that great.
It would depend what you're going for. You can use it in any of those ways.

[uneven mason]

@west turtle it works as a solid DPS Boost (both you and your group), its flat Damage reduction works vs all damage and buffs your IP at the same time, so it double dips somewhat

So use it "where appropriate"

[west turtle]

ahh, I guess I'll pop it at the start to get as many uses as possible and go from there, thanks guys

[plucky viper]

how easy is this to get working if i have never used WA? https://wago.io/EkacvGjKf

[uneven mason]

yeah, for damage line it up with avatar, lining it up with bloodlust magnifies its group benefit

or if there is a large amount of magic damage incoming you can use it defensively very well

however iirc Jes doesn't ine up with avatar well

but you can almost always overlap it into a DS

[naive panther]

@uneven mason I have four tanks up to par as well. Killed heroic jaina with all of them at least once last week. But going forward I’ll have one main and one main back up. Can’t initially keep up with all nor raid with all. Veng prot dk monk.

[uneven mason]

VDH, the little tank that almost did what other tanks do

Not quite up to warriors for damage, not quite on par with BDK for healing, not quite paladins for cheese mode, and can't quite dodge as well as monks

That being said, lots of fun

[green helm]

Why Are guilds swapping to prot pallys for opulence Mythic? :/

[brisk ferry]

bop

[green helm]

for the coin shower?

[formal kayak]

hi

for M+, never surrender or bolster?

[oblique garnet]

bolster

always the answer

[brave mauve]

B O L S T E R

[naive panther]

Yeah doing heroic through on vengeance the mobility in this raid a few bosses I actually didn’t feel useless and it was kind of fun. Needs more choices to handle events to make it really fun though

[plucky viper]

🅱

[crystal night]

20 i lvls on azerite worth two rings?

worth going form a 3 ring to a 6 ring i mean *

[modern brook]

with some exceptions, depending on your current Azerite traits I'd swap a 390 4 ring for a 370 5 ring

if thats what you're asking

[crystal night]

yes sir

ty

[uneven mason]

no work tomorrow for me 👍 time to get my +10 world tour done

[plucky viper]

awesome

[uneven mason]

Bosses finally came to their senses about the -50 degree windchill

[signal plover]

Ours havent

[plucky viper]

too bad its not a friday...long weekend then

[signal plover]

I have to feint car trouble

[uneven mason]

Well, feigning car trouble when the air temp is low enough that water vapor freezes in you fuel lines while the car is running isn't really a feint.

[signal plover]

Ya no that was his official instructions tho cuz I can work from home but he didn't wanna "play favorites"

[modern brook]

hahaha global warming right /s

[brave mauve]

Let's see who bites 🎣

[modern brook]

I dont 🎣 I only and :ignore_pain:

[nova rover]

Guys do you still stack haste after you are 22% base?

[tepid dagger]

ilvl>all Haste with mastery/vers if given choice

no hard caps

[undone sun]

No break points

[nova rover]

Yea Im at 22% base and got bracers with a socket, was wondering if using a strength gem or smacking a haste one in there

[candid ledge]

Just got 415 Ivus trinket, which should I use as 2nd, Rezan's or Alchemy 385 both?

rezan's obviously?

[modern brook]

I'd use rezan until alch out ilvls it

[candid ledge]

Yeah that's what I figured

[uneven mason]

@nova rover haste gem is generally best idea

[nova rover]

Gotcha

[uneven mason]

defensively str isn't sper

*super

I'll be honest tho, I've been stacking mastery myself

cause I like big crits

(blocks)

[modern brook]

I stack haste>crit>X

because i like critting

🤷

[lusty grotto]

bull

are you ready?

[modern brook]

no 😦

[lusty grotto]

wait what

are you not ready for today's quote of the day?

[modern brook]

oh

[lusty grotto]

oops

that wasn't it

happy quote of the day everyone!

hey where's mac's parse of the day

@uneven mason

fucking hell man, i had completely forgotten KH3 is out today

now i have 5 games i need to be playing sigh

WoW KH3 Smash BFV GW2

and i forgot Spiderman which i haven't finished yet

[uneven mason]

no RE2?

[lusty grotto]

FUCK

[uneven mason]

👏

[lusty grotto]

i had forgotten about RE2 too 😦

[sand egret]

well at least you played God of War tho, I still haven't gotten to that yet

[lusty grotto]

the thing is, i dont think i wanna play RE2 until i finish Biohazard 7

i know it doesn't follow the same story since RE2 is a remake and follows the old story, vs RE7 which is a retelling

and here i thought i was splitting my free time pretty well

[sand egret]

One thing I learned over the years, is there is always another game 😃

[lusty grotto]

i only had 1 day to play WoW last week

burned through like 10 M+

did my 10

enjoyed the new affix

i'm serious too, i like it a lot

infected can burn in hell now

[sand egret]

oh I think a lot agree

I'm a fan of it myself.

[lusty grotto]

i think it would have been different if ghosts had affixes though

so that was a good call

[uneven mason]

Ghosts with affixes

Bursting or Bolstering

[sand egret]

yeah, I'm sure it was prototyped early and they were like ...."nope"

[uneven mason]

on reaping would literally be dead key weeks

no one would do anything above a 9

[lusty grotto]

though in all fairness, if they did have affixes... that would have been way too fucking hard

[sand egret]

necrotic on that shit

ew

[lusty grotto]

like compounded hard

[modern brook]

lol they dont do shit for qa blade

[uneven mason]

Paladins would literally be the only tank

[modern brook]

thats how underrot boss gets explosives

[lusty grotto]

well i mean

[uneven mason]

cause you'd need that shit that taunts everything while you're bubbled to tank it

[lusty grotto]

to be fair, they probably did this time

lol yeah mac

[sand egret]

i'm also glad they don't aggro sh it

[lusty grotto]

yeah that too

[modern brook]

i think its dumb that u can skip the last one

thats my biggest complaint with reaping

100% shouldnt be a reap

[lusty grotto]

my friends were saying how M+ was a lot harder now, i didn't feel like it was

[modern brook]

Its definitely scaled up

[sand egret]

it's naturally gonna feel harder

[modern brook]

and last week was kinda pissy to progresson

[lusty grotto]

it is but i didn't really notice

[uneven mason]

Bursting being buffed back to its legion days +30%

[lusty grotto]

the only reason i didnt time my 10 was because our 5th pug left

[uneven mason]

was pretty rough in some places

[sand egret]

but combine that with harder affixes, including one that got even worse and this was the first time seeing it, yeah

[uneven mason]

WM/Shrine come to mind

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

but that was generally the case with those affixes

[sand egret]

well, this was the first time people had to deal with the "fixed" bursting

[modern brook]

Seige also weirdly hard last week

[sand egret]

so suddenly dealing with 8 stacks isn't really an option

[lusty grotto]

well i guess what im saying is, that i didnt notice it was way much harder like people make it up to be

yeah i just told me pugs to limit to 4

[uneven mason]

Depends do you generall pace yourself

[modern brook]

"I cant currently out gear a 10" == "M+ is a lot harder with reaping"

so

[sand egret]

it's still totally manageable tho, bursting just causes bad dps to wipe a group

[uneven mason]

Like it was hard for me

because I generally go big D pulls

[modern brook]

^

[uneven mason]

and bursting just made that not a thing

[modern brook]

I got fucking demollished on my 10 till i slowed the fuck down and started ccing

[uneven mason]

7 stacks was where my healer drew the line

[lusty grotto]

i think im fine with bursting as it is though

[uneven mason]

never had to CC

but did have to slow it up

That was in SHrine nad WM

[daring marlin]

wtf

[lusty grotto]

fuck shrine

[daring marlin]

nimchip lives

[uneven mason]

none of the others had issues

[lusty grotto]

Hey guilfart

[modern brook]

i had a hard time in AD

[sand egret]

it's basically just those pulls with a bunch of little shits

[lusty grotto]

weird bull

[modern brook]

but my boomkin kept ruining pulls :/

[lusty grotto]

you mean with the raptors

[modern brook]

no like he'd pull extra stuff or he'd tree way too late

[lusty grotto]

i found AD to be manageable

ohhh

[modern brook]

like i have 4 stacks of the bleed

[robust bronze]

how many stacks do take with Rising flames on jadefire fight heroic?

[modern brook]

you missed your tree window

[lusty grotto]

man i gotta find a way to pug the new raid now

yikes

[uneven mason]

@robust bronze that is for your raid healers to determine

Literally the DOT doesn't hurt for shit

like 1,700dmg a stack

you can avoid stacks with SR

its the BOOM at the end

[lusty grotto]

does anyone of you fellas need an undergeared gulp fur... i mean arms warrior for HC?

[uneven mason]

Which is totally up to your healers to figure out what they wanna deal with.

[robust bronze]

since the monk debuff last for 40 sec dont u want to let that drop before u tank swap?

[modern brook]

^thats how we did swaps

just on monk debuff

I think our healers may have coordinated CDs?

IDK i just get hit

[signal plover]

U can swap the mage without swapping the monk or just swap on monk debuff

[uneven mason]

^^

Or you could do what I did

and just not swap

[signal plover]

Swapping on monk only will lead to bigger raid aoe

[uneven mason]

cause the monk with 100% more damage as long as you don't F up on multi sided strike

is still laughable

(Oh you hit me for 1800, golly what shall I do)

[quartz lake]

Since our guild sucked at the monk game mechanic we just popped hero off the bat and killed the monk before he had a chance to put everyone in the game. I told everyone they should be ashamed of themselves ^_^

[signal plover]

Same tbh

[thin ore]

Blood Rite over Iron Fortress for M+?

[lusty grotto]

no

pretty much never

[signal plover]

Blood Wrong, not rite...

[lusty grotto]

either way

i mean

[uneven mason]

@quartz lake That is literally the mythic strat as well, since that mini game is done like garbage

"Oh lets put you on a bright green platform, with almost 100% transparent ninja kickers who will fly through you)

[modern brook]

^

[uneven mason]

hope you like squinting

[modern brook]

I def failed it the first time and did it perfect the 2nd

no clue what i did differently

[uneven mason]

I'm about 90% On it

[wary gyro]

Yeah pretty much everyone just burns to skip it

[uneven mason]

but like, they need to make them more noticeable

[signal plover]

I hide my UI lol

[uneven mason]

like, actually color them in

[signal plover]

Makes it easier

[uneven mason]

I do to

I have to flip my camera up top

and hide the UI

but you only get like 1s to do that

[signal plover]

I'd say I'm around 90% too

[uneven mason]

so when you get to the last phase

[signal plover]

Def not 100

[uneven mason]

and 7 people go up

[wary gyro]

Yeah it's not designed well

[uneven mason]

they're all like HURRRRRRRRRR SQUISH

[signal plover]

It's 15 on mythic lel

[uneven mason]

cause I can take all 4 hits as awarrior

but most non tanks are dead in 2

[lusty grotto]

mac

you're raiding as arms?

[uneven mason]

wat

No

[lusty grotto]

oh as prot ok

[quartz lake]

The game is really easy though, the statue glows before it moves. It took me about 3 wipes before I got it down. Non-tanks act like it's the hardest thing.

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it

[uneven mason]

arms in 2019

[lusty grotto]

SHUT UP

it just got buffed okay

[sick sentinel]

is wow dying?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[uneven mason]

Charaid its more or less a visual thing

I'm old

[wary gyro]

Probably out dosing arms as prot

[quartz lake]

same

[uneven mason]

and my eyes suck

[quartz lake]

i just turned 40 😦 😦 😦

lolI have super pwerful glasses now and my monitor is close as hell to my face

[uneven mason]

MOST of the time I can see them

but when it leads with yellow

Forget it

[quartz lake]

On the ape, my co-tank and I, when he yells "taunt" instead of yelling "taunted" back, I yell "taunt" because i"m stressed, so he taunts and we wipe. lols.

[lusty grotto]

you might be colorblind mac

[uneven mason]

I'm not

[lusty grotto]

trust me im a chef

[uneven mason]

its just not much contrast between mintgreen and the see through yellow

I can see the green one easier than I can see the yellow

[lusty grotto]

you guys didnt forget about my pics right

cough @sand egret

mintgreen 🤔

😃 🤢

i obviously turn off F.lux when i play WoW nowadays

[dusk locust]

haha i have that problem. my monitor looks so blue without flux tho

[lusty grotto]

on a scale from 1 to shrine last boss, how hard is it Mac?

oh you can fix that in the color settings for yourmonitor

look them up online

doing shrine last boss tentacles with f.lux on 1 hour before bedtime is like running through a mine field

[sand egret]

-_-

[lusty grotto]

i say that as nimchipadin of course

gotta do deeps

[exotic hazel]

Shit. I'm just a DK lurking, but turning off flux.. good idea. Wow do I feel dumb now.

[lusty grotto]

with that sexy buff

the only bad thing about turning off flux... is obviously your sleep will suffer a bit