protection

[uneven mason]

could be that if you have even 1 stack

it still contiues to stack

but if you have it up before the first stack

it won't

IDK

[neon tangle]

maybe

[uneven mason]

I just know I Feel like I'm made out of paper on my BDK

compared to my warrior

[neon tangle]

Certainly more kiting involved

[uneven mason]

I'd rather just stand and kill it

[modern brook]

thats cause u are

[uneven mason]

but yeah I like, fell over dead cause I went after a boss at 25% health on the DK

and the healer was like WHat the fuck

and I'm like, sorry, 25% health on my warrior means I can get hit like 8 times

[modern brook]

BArring any balance changes, i think best overall S2 tank is a tie between warrior and brewmaster

with bdk as a close 2nd place

[uneven mason]

Nah, BDK still has the utility advantage

but folks are starting to cover utility in other places

and just bringing warrior for 🍆 DPS

[neon tangle]

I'm betting on BDK for overall highest keys, with warrior being better for "slower" weeks

[modern brook]

grip is good but it doesnt make up for the huge aoe warrior brings

[neon tangle]

where you pull smaller, stay in and dps

[modern brook]

and brew master has RoP which is just as good

[uneven mason]

BDK is going to lead in highest keys again

[modern brook]

both are tankier than bdk

[uneven mason]

possibly BrM

THere is no replacing that 90% snare and positioning control

[neon tangle]

@modern brook Tankiness doesn't matter once pulls get big enough, if you pull enough no tank can sit there and dps

[uneven mason]

BDK are king of the kite

[neon tangle]

once you're not dpsing it's just utility and kiting ability

[uneven mason]

^^^

[neon tangle]

and BDK wins that

[uneven mason]

watch the MDI

the time spent actually tanking

is like 25% of the pull

[modern brook]

the mdi is going to be mostly BDK for sure

[uneven mason]

if that

[neon tangle]

BDK + monk will rule the leaderboards, warrior will be on top for specific weeks

[uneven mason]

however, I no logner feel like warriors are at a raw disadvantage

Blizzard showed us love

[modern brook]

^

[neon tangle]

i.e. they were on top for fort+teeming

[modern brook]

We're def getting nerfs

[sturdy sable]

^

[uneven mason]

They went 'Hey, warriors are really only good at absolutely melting the fuck out of massive pulls"

[neon tangle]

Also there will be less weeks where warrior is on top now with reaping

[uneven mason]

"lets give them another trait, that brings that to the moon"

[neon tangle]

since it slows down mongo kite pulls more

[uneven mason]

wat

MOre

weeks

since reaping it self

is a mongo massive pull

that provides us with insane VR fodder

Warriors can out HPS healers on Reaping

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason Infested slows down mongo pulls more than reaping, it was way more warrior imho

[cinder pasture]

RNG is on my side, got rid of my old 370 DC shoulders yesterday when I got 385 shoulders from completing the timewalking quest, today I get this from emissary 😄

[uneven mason]

someone pointed out, tha with reaping Bury the hatchet is going ot be pretty fucking strong

Warriors excel at cleaning up reaping was my point

but its going to come down to affixes

[neon tangle]

P much

[uneven mason]

nice

But its no doubt that BDK will lead on "most" weeks

some weeks warriors will get a leg up over paladins and monks, and be VERY good for mid-high keys

THen you've got VDH and Druids

[supple path]

Was doing a waycrest manor and when reaping triggered the entire pull just instantly teleported onto us - avatar felt so delicious.

[uneven mason]

F for our Furious angry brothers with emo cuts and fur

[neon tangle]

also just one last thought re: warriors vs. BDK/Monk

[uneven mason]

@supple path had that happen in shrine, healer and 2 DPS died, me and the rogue lived. I felt, Victorious

[neon tangle]

warrior will almost always be the more fun one to play

since you get to ACTUALLY TANK

and do DPS and shit

[uneven mason]

^^

SOmuch that

[neon tangle]

Even if I don't think they will run the absolute highest keys

[uneven mason]

It reminds me of my first Tyrannical key start of Xpac, healer looses his shit in shrine

cause I'm just face tanking the hugo dude on council

[sand egret]

haha yessss

like tree boi

his aquatic cousin

[oblique garnet]

”Kite run it into fire” Why tho

[uneven mason]

"we doing acheivements?"

[sand egret]

my RDruid learned real fast I wasn't moving last night

[uneven mason]

35stacks

Y not DPS harder?

[oblique garnet]

Ima be honest for the first 2 months i didnt even know that you had to run it into the fire

[uneven mason]

yup

[sand egret]

took the hint since I was typing while tanking it....that he prob shouldn't worry

[uneven mason]

I'm in that boat

I didn't realize that most of the dudes who enraged should be kited

[sand egret]

yeah....tbh I thought you had to dodge the fire

[sick sentinel]

55 Stacks crush

[uneven mason]

I just hit block

[oblique garnet]

Now my healers just go ”yeah ill dps aswell call for an external if you need”

[sick sentinel]

parry

[sand egret]

JustWarriorThings

[oblique garnet]

Its always funny to do it with pugs

They start to panic and throw everything

[sick sentinel]

Gets cocconed at a 20 stack crush

Wtf man

[oblique garnet]

Everytime

[uneven mason]

Its called Block bb

[oblique garnet]

I kinda stopped doing that on higher tyrannical keys and i just reset the boss when its around 30% just to play it safe

[sick sentinel]

I do it at half health

[uneven mason]

471k raw - 8900 taken

[sick sentinel]

When it's time to use SW

[oblique garnet]

Depends entirely on dps tbh

[sick sentinel]

And SW + rally the aoe

[uneven mason]

No shield wall?

or diamond

[sick sentinel]

I mean

[modern brook]

dont u fire it for everyone else/

[sick sentinel]

Out of SB, out of LS

[modern brook]

bad prot

how are you out of block

[uneven mason]

there is a small gap

[modern brook]

no gap only skill

just RNG the gap

be better

[sick sentinel]

taking tyrr +17 tree boss in mw

Without resetting

[stiff tusk]

My guild is pretty casual and I'm relatively new to prot warrior. Is it normal to scream while tanking the mage on heroic jadefire masters? Lol

[uneven mason]

His fireball hurts

its not the DOT

[sick sentinel]

I always scream while tanking

[uneven mason]

I mean

Warriors - we yell andhit things

spell reflect is your friend

[sick sentinel]

Spell reflect is broken on jadefire

[uneven mason]

nuke his ass

pewpew

[sick sentinel]

You nuke your whole raid

It's bugged

[uneven mason]

when the DOT fades yes

but i wasn't hitting anyone but the jadefire nutter

Interesting bug

don't tank the monk inside the occulsion zones around the bombs

because you will make the mage unhittable

+++

I was helping DPS

letting cleave work its magics

and

we bugged the mage

took like 4 minutes to kill from 30% with auto attacks

since once the dragon is dead

birdy boy is laughable

[stiff tusk]

LOL if I nuke the raid I will die happy.

[sand egret]

Geddon all over again

ah i miss betting on kill count

[neon tangle]

Jadefire masters is kinda funny, I sprint pot + deaths advance

and I can just ignore the maze

[modern brook]

I just leap and then realize i leaped to a dead end and cry

[neon tangle]

lol

[long tinsel]

Spell reflect is broken on Jade fire?

[uneven mason]

@neon tangle Warriors can leap over the entire thing.

[neon tangle]

I mean sane people just set up lock portals too

[uneven mason]

Yeah

I lock portal to an orb

and leap and get started on some HNGGGGGGGGG TC damage

[modern brook]

i didnt know what Tc was for a bit

cause im so used to seeing it as 👢 🍵 👏

[broken roost]

SACRILEGE

[empty inlet]

[sick sentinel]

In jadefire if you are a god at videogames you can just walk straight

Between rings

Bounce left, bounce right bounce left, you're through

But you need over 200 iq

And huge balls

[paper needle]

Is there any List or Spreadsheet about the "BiS" Azerite Pieces for Prot warris?

[sick sentinel]

What do you want to do

Raid or mplus?

Wait no

[warm plinth]

They have both raid and M+ best lists on the guide.

[sick sentinel]

First of all

Read #268491842637660160

And after you are done

And checked the guides

Then come and ask

[warm plinth]

Go to the Azerite Traits section and scroll most of the way to the bottom

[paper needle]

oh boy - thanks @warm plinth - never scrolled to the end of the page x.x my fault - sry for the dumb question

[warm plinth]

No worries.

[broken moon]

So how do grong

[uneven mason]

?

WAT DO MEAN?

Specifically what are you having issues with on Grong

[paper needle]

It's all about a good communication with your co tank. Never get 2 of the smashes in a row and never get two of the dots before he grabs you and squeeze you 😄

So - if i get the Azerite Gear right. You want to get 1 DC for all content. For M+ you want as much Bastion of Might and Callous Reprisal as you can get. For Raid you want as much Brace for Impact as you can get?

[sick sentinel]

Well

In mplus you want 3xBoM

But other than that, correct

[fervent harness]

endless hunger or brace for impact for m+?

[sick sentinel]

Brace for impact

[paper needle]

nice - thanks @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

Overall, prot traits> general traits

[fervent harness]

yeah endless hunger seems pretty good is all

[uneven mason]

eh

[sick sentinel]

Not good enough

[uneven mason]

I could see it in M+

ut yeah you're gonna see better survivability from BFI's block buff

however in M+

less shield slams

since you spend a lot of GCDs on rev/TC

[sick sentinel]

You have like ~80% effective uptime on 2 stacks

It's pgood

[broken moon]

@uneven mason i was curious if there was a Prot warrior cheese/advantage for that rotation

Like how would i take a second smash if i had to

[uneven mason]

Uh, Last stand, + Shield wall is the easiest way to take 2 smashes

on HC anyway

normal 2 Smashes didn't even phase me

well, slight exaggeration, 2 smashes hurt

but didn't kill me

SHield wall and a block should let you take 2

last stand is for that extra emergency padding

[sick sentinel]

If he does smash-bleed-smash

You can take it right?

[uneven mason]

yeah

it only lasts long enough that its back to back smashes

that hurt

[sick sentinel]

Solo tanking grog inc

[uneven mason]

@broken moon the real cheese on Grong is the fact that warriors can intercept to someone (or a monk serpent statue) and not get thrown into the raid

I have a statue placed behind me

so I just literally bungee right back to the other tank when he picks me up

[sick sentinel]

You can do that with freehold throws

do the tank traits stack ? am dd :X

[broken moon]

@uneven mason what did you mean by UH?

[paper needle]

so you intercept right before he grabs you? or after the grab ends?

[uneven mason]

after the grab ends

[graceful cobalt]

what would be better to great up ring from juweliering or alchi trinket

[neon tangle]

I would personally do the trinket

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel they stack in the same way all traits stack

[neon tangle]

trinkets are overall more impactful than rings, and you get all the other nice benefits of alchemy like double flask duration

[sick sentinel]

@graceful cobalt trinket

[neon tangle]

Plus, you can pass the dps trinkets to your dps 😛 better overall for the raid

[lavish oracle]

What ilvl are caches next week? Are they the normal 410 for S2 or are they locked to lower until after mythic week?

[shut sun]

do a 10 for a 410 next week

[lavish oracle]

Alright, cool

[honest canopy]

How do I upgrade The alxhtrinket 🤔

Farm tidalcores?

[warm plinth]

I don't think it's a matter of farming anything. The first alc trinket is just part of the recipe for the new one. So you'd need the recipe + hydrocores from the raid as far as I know.

[uneven mason]

you need 15 Tidalcores for the 385

the 385 teaches the 400, which requires 20 breath of bwanboy

the 400 teaches the 415 which requires 200 breaths

[tropic star]

fun fact, if you have like blacksmithing as well you only need 15 tidal cores total if you get 60 breaths this week

[uneven mason]

^^

[tropic star]

as you craft trinket, then scrap it and you get the cores back

[uneven mason]

well

[tropic star]

repeat with blacksmithing

and expuslom

[uneven mason]

yeah

kill 6 bosses in heroic

and craft your trio

[tropic star]

if you are a spicey boi becareful with crafted blacksmithing

you need to get to 155 skill

otherwise when you do the horde bosses you lose 5 skill from racials and cant wear the armor anymore

[uneven mason]

yeah

found that funny

However most triggering thing from the faction swaps in raid

is I can't mount up on my Horde side War Wolf

even though I earned it on a horde character

its mindboggling

[dusk locust]

i tried to worgen sprint on mekkatorque to hide the bomb and blew up the raid 😦

[uneven mason]

was looking forward to seeing spikey again

Also WTF with the tanks getting blue cloaks

[dusk locust]

is it just tanks?

[hybrid kindle]

is there a list of reflectable spells in m+ or a list in general ?

[neon tangle]

@tropic star wait if you scrap the alch trinket you get your 15 titalcores back?

[dusk locust]

@hybrid kindle yeah, it's one of the links in #268491842637660160 https://goo.gl/Tb49B3

[hybrid kindle]

❤ much obliged

[modern brook]

@uneven mason Bestial smash is blockable

👀 🅱 👀

[timber vault]

I guess im maining warrior this patch since the game refuses to give my dk or shaman gear 🤷

How's SoD treating yall? Rastakhan kicked my ass last night

[uneven mason]

Not going to do it Bull

[dusk locust]

we did pretty well up to mekkatorque and had a rough time there for a bit

[uneven mason]

You get your own B VALUE Porn

But this week I'll try and get a double smash on the logs

for some fun

[neon tangle]

@timber vault So far the tanks seem fairly even, warrior is doing wekk

well**

not as obvious of outliers as Uldir

[uneven mason]

You can avoid some of the major big tankbusters as well (Coin sweep is parry/dodgeable)

[modern brook]

bestial smash is blockable

:^)

dont do that

[dusk locust]

i find mitigating grong's grip to be a little awkward. i think that's the one part i really have to plan for

[modern brook]

but if you do log it

[uneven mason]

so Monks and BDKs are not at a giant disadvantage for getting wrekt like Fetid

Oh I'll take 2 smashes

to get the DK Raidleader to STFU

"No way you survive it"

[modern brook]

3 smashes or bust

[uneven mason]

yeaaaah

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason Chances that monks will cheese that by having one monk stack elusive brawler, then taunt before the coin

?

[uneven mason]

possibility, high

@dusk locust The grip is a silence that does around 120k damage~ its physical the THROW is 70k NATURE damage

so be slapping your SR button once he lets loose

the grip part just requires DS being up on him ahead of time, or healers to not be flipperhanded monkies

[wary gyro]

The coin sweep isn't that hard to deal with anyway

[uneven mason]

yeah if the fight didn't require 2 tanks due to 2 adds

Opulence on HC is single tankable by a warrior

or MOnk

[wary gyro]

I single tanked the boss itself on my pally

[uneven mason]

BDK mighth ave some issues since they take physical hits like wet cardboard

[neon tangle]

Opulence is prolly the one fight that's going to be particularly less friendly to DK

since their mitigation is on the back end

[uneven mason]

yup

same issue they had on Fetid post WOTN nerf

[neon tangle]

I mean on top of that it makes the diamond less valuable

[uneven mason]

but you can parry it

[neon tangle]

since they'll burn through it faster

[uneven mason]

so that gives them another CD

DRW

actually useful

WAT

[wary gyro]

Even then it's only 30%parry iorc

[uneven mason]

Its ravager but actually helps with damage

[sick sentinel]

50%party

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/539514631761166336/unknown.png
NO PARTY ONLY 🛡 @modern brook

[neon tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=49028/dancing-rune-weapon

40%

[wary gyro]

Oh its 50%

[neon tangle]

it's 40

yall are drunk

[sick sentinel]

is 35%

[uneven mason]

stack crit

use DRW

50% PARTY

[neon tangle]

way ahead of you

I think my DK has ~1400 crit rating right now

[uneven mason]

actually

I dunno if its dodgeable

I need a bur or BrM to confirm that

I'm just assuming sincei ts parryable

that it can be dodged

[neon tangle]

I wonder if they fixed the BrM bug on jaina yet

[lavish oracle]

I heard they tried and vrome it but haven't actually checked

Broke it*

And now it stacks twice at a time

[neon tangle]

heh

[west turtle]

is the new alchemy trinket worth it, at least for the moment?

idk if it's a bis, but seems decent enough

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, it's good

It's not BiS but it holds its own

[neon tangle]

@west turtle It's good, it's also a 415 slot that you can use to feed your dps BoD trinkets

[uneven mason]

It still works on healthstones if I'm not mistaken

"Warrior self sustain" - popping RC, LS and a health stone

oh and stam pot

gotta go for that 525,000health 🖕

[neon tangle]

honest question, do stam pots heal you for the extra stam you got

[uneven mason]

No

[lavish oracle]

And health pots and rejuv pots

[uneven mason]

but if you hit last stand during the pot you gain that extra health

[west turtle]

idk, I think there are just a few trinkets that are better than the alchemy one though, like the Rezan one, 2 from BoD and the Vial

that's about it, the Alchemy stone is above most trinkets maybe

[uneven mason]

I Use stam pots the same way I Use any other defensive

[neon tangle]

For some reason I thought rejuv pots shared a CD w/ the rest of them

[uneven mason]

Its for upcoming magic tankbusters

otherwise I use the str pot

Rejuve shares CD with combat potions

health potions are their own CD

as are health stones

[lavish oracle]

Do you have those at 400 fp?

[neon tangle]

I haven't had a single instance where I wanted to use a stam pot this xpac honestly

[uneven mason]

Health potions and rejuve pots don't scale though

so its many sadfaces

[sand egret]

pots?

too rich for my blood

damn 1% er's

[uneven mason]

by the ent of this tier that 35,000 hp heal from a health pot is going ot be pretty unnoticable

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason it's already getting there on my BDK

@sand egret I really don't like to think about the amount of gold I've spent on lightfoot pots

[uneven mason]

@neon tangle I use it since when combined with LS its higher EHP than a reactive rejuive pot

[neon tangle]

I have ~200 in my bags right now

[uneven mason]

since warriors have some serous health scaling now

[lavish oracle]

But with the alch trinket it goes up to almost 50k

[uneven mason]

yup

[neon tangle]

I guess I haven't had a ton of times where I needed the EHP to survive a thing

[uneven mason]

which is why I'm working on getting my alchemy up lol

Hi I'm prot, I'm proactive

I mean 99% of the time

I use the str pot

cause DPS

[undone sun]

Staking Stam like that is really only for one shots where you wouldn't survive it previously

[uneven mason]

not quite true, its to give healers breathing space as well

[undone sun]

Str would hold better benefits in most other scenarios

[uneven mason]

because I can do it proactive

in most yes

[undone sun]

It's more to heal, what healers what is predictability

[charred prawn]

gents

[uneven mason]

I was more or less memeing

[undone sun]

Not a giant meat shield

[uneven mason]

on the "500+K"

[charred prawn]

if i wanted to go full turtle

[uneven mason]

health

[charred prawn]

what are my triats

3x BoM?

[undone sun]

More healtj won't fix it

[charred prawn]

crash

[uneven mason]

Turtle?

[charred prawn]

and w/e

full defence

turtle build

you feel me

[uneven mason]

DC then get as many BFI/IFs

BoM is DPS

fairly weak for defense

relative

[charred prawn]

oh okay

[uneven mason]

its a good trait, its not horrible defensively, but BFI/IF are stronger for raw mitigation

[charred prawn]

okay

[uneven mason]

Its also situational

since BS is extremel strong vs non physical hits

[sick sentinel]

I made skysteps to get the rank 3

[uneven mason]

ALthough if you're into memes

3x BoM and stacking mastery

can get you quite high in the Critical block arena

[neon tangle]

@sick sentinel worth it

skystep is my favorite consumable in the game

[sand egret]

i mean, tbh i'm rolling with 3x BoM in M+ and at 65% crit block....kinda dope defensively

[uneven mason]

yup

BoM is best for M+

raiding is where its kind've "eh"

I still run it

because I like 👢 🍵 👏

[sand egret]

yeah, way more boss specific stuff and let's be real...holding Avatar feels like the worst

[uneven mason]

30k crits

[sand egret]

weaksauce

get to 40k

😃

[uneven mason]

we'll see how my loot luck is

I might endup getting a 3x BoM and 3x DC dream

[sand egret]

i cranked out a 40k clap last night when everything lined up....yum

[uneven mason]

and just be slappin bitches in M+

I need another parse in Temple

6 digits this time

[sand egret]

had to recheck details to make sure and sure enough...Details! just posted "LOL" next to my TClap damage

yeah i need to get me a juicy screen of that pull

[uneven mason]

next week will be the week for it

affixes are laughable

[sand egret]

what's next?

[uneven mason]

Raging Volcanic

[sand egret]

volcanic?

EYYYY

free week! free week! free week!

[uneven mason]

Well

[neon tangle]

The week after that will be a good week for warriors

too

[uneven mason]

and its TYrannical

[neon tangle]

fort, teeming, explosive

[sand egret]

(with your cases of Water Bolt + Raging 1-shots)

[uneven mason]

Oh boy

VICTORYRUSHES

[sand egret]

that's a yum week too

[lavish oracle]

Is temple reaping still bugged?

[uneven mason]

didn't seem to be?

[sand egret]

but nextweek is going to be a flippin joke

[lavish oracle]

Mobs in front of Galvazzt were spawning 5 reaping mobs last time I ran it

[keen spire]

omg guys

I'm trying to get my guild to use raidbots instead of Pawn

quick give me all the reasons why Pawn sucks

[sand egret]

those mobs are just Bugs incarnate

[little rain]

@paper needle You're welcome to use what I made for myself as reference but what content you do and your playstyle will ultimately shape what you personally will aim for I'm certain. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pvgXp9MZ1QGabMKZiRhY3NbijlCPMQXl5CqYVPtQ-pQ/edit?usp=sharing

[neon tangle]

@keen spire Simplest answer I've got is that my BiS stats change relative to my gear / traits / talents / trinkets / etc

[uneven mason]

@keen spire because to use it properly you have to resim yourself every time you run it for new weights, which uh, WHY NOT JUST

[sand egret]

imma yoink that one @little rain lol

[neon tangle]

My BDK has rotated through haste, mastery, and crit being my best stat for dps

[uneven mason]

mhmm

just SIm for best in bags

[keen spire]

❤

[uneven mason]

cause

[paper needle]

Thanks @little rain

[uneven mason]

Pawn doesn't readjust every time you swap items

[keen spire]

True

That's what I'm sayin

"So we'll just sim every time"

"Then just use raidbots"

lol

[neon tangle]

Pawn also tells you the stat weights of your -current items-

once you swap one, i.e. the item you think is an upgrade

pawn is immediately worthless

[keen spire]

ye

Plus in order for you to get the same level of effect out of Pawn... you ahve to run a bunch of sims yourself in the external SimC application.

To see the combinations

[uneven mason]

get a guild account for raidbots

^^

[keen spire]

I'm glad I'm not crazy here

Thank you for the validation

and the extra reasons

❤

[neon tangle]

THe leaderboards this week are something, people already timing 20's

good representation of warr, monk, dh, dk

[uneven mason]

Probably not record breakers

but yeah bursting doesn't scale with key

so as long as you're dealing with that properly

its not any different

it just slows you down

[supple plover]

Most of those keys are TD though. The cannons working on reaping help that a lot

[neon tangle]

It's going to be funny af if TD ends up being everyone's push key for all of s2

[sand egret]

as tanks, do ya'll hop in the cannons or naw?

I like to since it means i'll be taking the random pot shots, but i've seen a lot of my lil' dps puggers jump into it straight away

[neon tangle]

As the tank I generally stay out

use my stuns / slows / whatever

to keep the mobs away

[sand egret]

after looking at Trav's spreadsheet.....is there really not a single chest piece with IV....

[neon tangle]

also useful to taunt them away

[sand egret]

yeah....but that means I get shot by the dps and die tho 😃

[keen galleon]

Wait prot warriors have a functioning sim now???

[undone sun]

well

[neon tangle]

@sand egret Helps to have voice comms or just get the timing right

[undone sun]

not really

it's in the works, the sim module functions but not reliable

[broken moon]

Are y’all talking about reaping?

[sand egret]

i pug so no comms here

[neon tangle]

and/or play a tank class w/ ranged slows

RoP or D&D

😛

[keen galleon]

OK so we still can't use raidbots, correct?

[undone sun]

still a lot of fine tuning needs to be done to the module and a revised APL

[lucid kelp]

last tier I had too much mastery and no Vers...this tier I have a ton of verse and little mastery

[jaunty aspen]

Hi whats best survival trinket combo this season?

[austere oar]

@gaunt dawn there's a bug on stormwall where the adds put down at the border of the room just pop and instant teleport in the inner square of the room right on the caster pack of the raid

[merry cave]

We smashed through to mekka heroic with not much issue (1 night guild) but normal blockades is awful

Especially with our high % of melee

[minor kestrel]

Yo, the fire resistance bracers from tol, are they worth considering the resistance?

[prisma viper]

Ok, so on Rastakhan, why do I get pulled to Underworld every single time?! I tried standing on top of Rasta, and staying on the other side of the room from Bwonsi, but always I get dragged down as a tank

[vocal nimbus]

@minor kestrel no

@prisma viper closest half of the raid gets pulled into death realm

[prisma viper]

Thats not right at all

[vocal nimbus]

someones not close enough

[keen galleon]

I mean.... it definitely is right, Noss.

[prisma viper]

Its probably because I got turned into a dwarf, so low Im almost on the other side from the start

[prisma viper]

Ok, so height of characters is probably taken into account then

[undone sun]

no

i highly doubt it at least

height has never been a factor

[sand egret]

that would be the funniest bug tho

[undone sun]

gnomes and dwarves escape death by this one simple trick

[sand egret]

"all our healers are gnomes".....
"shit"

[tropic star]

@neon tangle didnt see if it was answered but yes. Scrap the 385 trinket that cost tidalcores and you get the expulsom and ridalcores back

[neon tangle]

Welp that's handy

Maybe I'll do eng along with alchemy

[jovial verge]

engi traits are pretty good

[merry cave]

Engi helm with DC is pretty legit atm

[keen spire]

Wait

Thyme's back?

😍

[keen galleon]

Engie helm is really, really nice atm

You have good choices on all rings and it guarantees you a 415 DC piece

[timber nest]

is there a command for the trinkets guide?

[undone sun]

@keen spire 👋

[keen galleon]

I dont think it will end up being true BIS because you cant do triple avatar with it, but it's still really, really solid

[keen spire]

Hiya Thyme

[timber nest]

i heard from somewhere that there was a amount of haste that gave you a comfortable amount of shield block charges... is that a thing? or is it just stack haste till end of times?

[final mist]

You never stop preferring Haste.

Whoever told you that you should lied.

[undone sun]

comfortable is subjective anyways

[timber nest]

@fierce juniper is there a way to edit your spell reflect WA so that it only shows the icon of spell reflect when they start the cast? not a fan of a big cast bar

[sick sentinel]

I don't like eng helm for prot because it does not have BoM on it

So I use it for fury personally

[rancid pier]

@final mist what’s my haste cap for prot

30% yeah?

[sick sentinel]

There is no haste cap

More haste=better

There is a soft cap at 100% haste, were it stops reducing GCD but that is not reachable with current gear

[rancid pier]

Sry it was meme to make sal angry

[sick sentinel]

Lol

I completely skipped over that

[nova gale]

Honestly

Jaina is such a stupid fight with the potion

Trivializes the fight so hard

[fast ermine]

Guys i have a question about the Conclave of the chosen.

I'm a warrior tank and my friend said me i'm immune to pa'ku

How?

[nova gale]

What do you mean immune?

[sick sentinel]

If you do your mitigation rotation correctly

You basically take no damage from him

[nova gale]

I mean if you keep your shieldblock up he wont hit you for much. We kill paku last cos its easy to just dispell shit when you have to

But you should still tank swap every now and then

[fast ermine]

Unyun what you mean? In which way?

At the start of the fight, you know how many times the warrior tank switch with the other tank the boss?

[keen spire]

Holy shit

I legit read that as "Coven"

And I was like dude why are you in ABT

lol

4o clock brain

[sick sentinel]

3SB-LS-3SB-SW-2SB

how much time is that

you can have a dps taunt and get hit ONCE and then you taunt back again

[austere oar]

immune bc prot warrior is the best tank at tanking pakku

moderate damage melees with high attack speed, dream for ProtW's

[daring marlin]

@outer dew furyboi traitor

[outer dew]

@daring marlin wdym

i still meme as prot

lol

i just need to grind out the gear

[neon tangle]

how could you betray us like this @outer dew

[undone sun]

smh my head @outer dew

[outer dew]

@neon tangle oi, if oyu can find me a decent guild that'll give me a tank slot

and pay for server transfer

sure

i'll go back to raiding as prot

🆗

[neon tangle]

I would say my guild is looking for a tank

but we're definitely not decent

and I don't want my bad tanking to be shamed

[gleaming blaze]

What does Stacking Deafening Crash actually give you now?

[neon tangle]

@gleaming blaze 👢 🍵 👏 damage

[gleaming blaze]

so still useless to have more than one

[neon tangle]

I mean it's a decent amount of damage, just better options

[gleaming blaze]

i woulda thought after the nerf there would be some saving grace

[neon tangle]

sims will show us the way when they're working properly

[daring marlin]

may as well roll a bdk tofu

filth

[sand egret]

oh we piling on Tofu?

worddd

TRAITOR

[daring marlin]

😃

[neon tangle]

@gleaming blaze for real tho, don't discount doing more thunderclap damage

[daring marlin]

he even plays a gnome mage

[neon tangle]

dead things don't hurt you

[daring marlin]

like dafuq is that

[neon tangle]

unless it's bursting week

or reaping I guess

[sand egret]

it's definitely not "useless" to stack

it just doesn't benefit the most from stacking

[neon tangle]

Does the IP bit stack at all from BoM?

[sand egret]

never a fan of statements like "useless"

naw it doesn't

directly that is

[undone sun]

only the mastery stacks from bom

[sand egret]

technically the increased ap gives you a bigger IP

so kinda? lol

but it won't give you a mega IP

[stiff star]

New prot warrior here. For the Jes Howler trinket, am I using it as a def/off cd? Should it be used with an ability?

[neon tangle]

both.jpg, I'll try and line it up with an avatar cycle, especially at the beginning of a pull

[outer dew]

LMAO

what is this bm

[stiff star]

Ty ty!

[neon tangle]

outside of that, use it often

it's small enough of defensive CD that it will almost certainly not save you

so mostly use it to do more damage

sometimes I save it if I know we're going to lust a boss fight soon since it'll benefit the whole group

[stiff star]

I also got a 390 tortollan trinket that on equip gives 470 Vers with attacks. It’s not listed in guide as a viable trinket, is it viable if I only have a 355 stockades

[neon tangle]

it's a good trinket

certainly better than blockades unless you REALLY need the extra stam

[stiff star]

Awesome! Thank you, super helpful!

[neon tangle]

Just a general note, blockades is VERY GOOD at what it does, which is give you more stam+str

But stam only really matters if it keeps you from dying

[sick sentinel]

it gives vers

more damage

[neon tangle]

most of the time in BfA the difference between you living and dying is down to your play

[outer dew]

i mean

i've had healers

make me question how i'm gonna survive

[vocal nimbus]

just tell them

that you maintain your hp above zero

[stiff star]

😂

[neon tangle]

oh hey first boss drops a shield this time

having to get kill vectis to get a 385 last tier was a bummer

[fringe marten]

Ok angry keystones hasn't been updated in a month...is everyone using gotta go fast now?

Only azerite and unique trinkets matter; you can get a forged shield from so many sources that it's likely you'll be using one of them and not the raid shield at some very soon point.

[steep lily]

Thought shields could only forge 10 ilvl though

Only way to get one at max ilvl is mythic raid i think

[daring marlin]

Whatever happened to that mactier bloke

LIKE HE DIED

@uneven mason

[lucid bough]

Sblock uptime if Im always tanking should be close to what?

considering that most of damage needs to be mitigated

[neon tangle]

You should focus on 100% effective uptime

i.e. you should block close-to-100% of the attacks that you take

also uptime really depends on how long you're tanking, as you go through your SB charges, bolster charges, etc you'll have 100% uptime, followed by gaps

On most fights there's a tank swap of some sort so you can let your CDs come back up

[lucid bough]

Alirght

thanks mate

[graceful linden]

Is it a good idea to stack 3 BoM and 2 DC with 1 rezan? I mostly run M+ just in case. Or should I try to also get Brace for impact?

[uneven mason]

@daring marlin I only chat on here while wasting time at work, wat u want.

[daring marlin]

nothing brah was wondering if you died

And same tbh

[outer dew]

@graceful linden 2dc doesn't give you much value

1 DC is enough

[neon tangle]

@graceful linden do you already have those pieces?

or just asking about BiS?

[graceful linden]

alrdy got the pieces

[neon tangle]

what's your other option besides for a second DC?

[graceful linden]

Head

Shoulder

chest

[keen galleon]

I'd be running bulwark over the second dc

Or... is that link or covenant?

[neon tangle]

Second one has BFI, right?

[graceful linden]

@neon tangle yea

[supple path]

BFI is competing with BoM on second, not DC

[keen galleon]

Honestly I'd run iron fortress x2

[neon tangle]

Oh I mean iron fortress

[keen galleon]

Instead of 2nd DC, and rezans

[neon tangle]

I'd run iron fortress over DC on that second piece

[keen galleon]

Rezans is bad for aoe

Iron fortress is amazing

Imho 3x avatar 2x fortress 1x DC is our bis

[neon tangle]

and hey BoM + iron fortress have some SYNERGY

[keen galleon]

Oh man they're so stupid together lol

It's good shit

Crit blocking nearly every hit for 2k damage for 20z

20s*

Unfff that's the good shit

I mean rezans is better for st but also st is boring

[sand egret]

and here I am still waiting for the "Knees" and "Toes" pics.....

[timber nest]

3rd DC or a BFI?

[sand egret]

why do you have 3 DCs...

anywho, go with the BFI imho.

[timber nest]

no better options

its DC or Incite the pack

[sand egret]

unless you're super OCD

Incite the Pack is like rng BoM

like your dollar store variety

[timber nest]

i mean i could run TC :/ but thats yikes for tanks

[sand egret]

well doesn't seem like you have the most options heh

so BFI will give you defensive gains

and ST increase vs that extra DC piece is just that TClap dam

[supple path]

I've actually got a similar situation - two DC traits, replacement options are incite the pack + tidal surge - thinking incite?

[sand egret]

I would do that personally yeah. I also don't really like the idea of stacking DC in general and it's a sizeable Mast increase when it does proc (~ 1 BoM trait)

[solid owl]

if you're below 20% you're fuckin dead anyway

[sand egret]

🤔

[undone sun]

yeah, im trying to think how often you're below 20% for an extended amount of time

of course the downside of TC isn't anything to scoff at

[solid owl]

if you're still the active tank while you're under 20% something's fucking wrong

[undone sun]

yeh

[sand egret]

does it have Will of the Necropolis logic?

[undone sun]

i think so

not too sure

[sand egret]

that's kinda a yikes

that 15% can turn that 20% survival into a 1-shot

[solid owl]

where the damage increase is applied to a hit that would one-shot you?

no it doesn't

it's a debuff that gets applied to you once you drop below 20%

when you take the hit you don't have the debuff

[sand egret]

forgive the question, but have you tested this yourself?

[solid owl]

yes

[sand egret]

gotcha

tbh I thought that trait was over/under 50% anywho. Shows what I know about raid stuff

[undone sun]

over 50 under 20, so there's definitely going to be some down tiem

and yeah, confirmation it's not like WotN 👏

[sand egret]

yeah, really gotta try and not dip but good to hear

i coulda totally seen it like that heh

now to get someone to test that stupid Diamond Lace Refracting Prism to see if it follows RP logic or On-Use logic...

[solid owl]

and a friend test in a duel

used a starsurge to bring me from over 20 to under 20

hit for like 28k

starsurge after hit for like 33

[sand egret]

it makes sense. if one is a debuff while WotN is an aura

thanks for the info though

[neon tangle]

I think it works out to around a 3% EHP decrease? 15% of 20% of your health is 3%

Prolly less so since it’s not a WOTN type thing

[solid owl]

they'll probably nerf it anyway, it's at least #2 for all specs

[sick sentinel]

if an attack would bring you under 20%, it is also increased

several people have tested it

[undone sun]

from my trustable sources, say otherwise

[sand egret]

annnnd here Unyun comes in to confuse me

[undone sun]

it does not act like WotN

[solid owl]

yeah, I just tested it too

lmao

[sick sentinel]

and @soft kindle confirmed the math

[sand egret]

MATH FIGHT

GO:

🍿

[soft kindle]

I'm summoned, sup

[outer dew]

METH FIGHT

[soft kindle]

Wait, thyme? Oh shit

:thyme:

Yeh, it was working like that on ptr, a hit that dropped you below 20% was affected by the 15%

[daring marlin]

That sounds amazing

[solid owl]

I tested it like 30 minutes ago

and it didn't do that

[soft kindle]

my own testing on live, I got a normal piece with it, and we were doing Kings Rest, I stood in the giant dudes knock up. It consistently did right around 60% of my hp in damage, but when I dropped low enough for it to drop me to below 20%, it started hitting for 70%

Which pretty much perfectly matches a 15% increase

[sand egret]

Question: Wrath, did you only test in a PvP scenario? Perhaps it behaves differently in PvP vs PvE

[soft kindle]

All my information is from ptr, and then from Wednesday when the raid went live

[solid owl]

I seriously doubt that, but I tested it with Templar's Verdict too and it did the same shit

22.8k the whole time and 22.8k on the one that brought me below 20

tank dummy's damage is inconsistent but it meleed me above 20 for 7.9k and brought me below 20 to 19.2% with a hit for 7.2k

inconsistent as it is, I doubt it would go down.

https://i.imgur.com/nDs5mGl.png all I've got to offer

[undone sun]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/84570/1 @solid owl

[outer dew]

@soft kindle what's the fastest way to do islands nowadays?

[plain lake]

Is there any good dos and donta guides for tanking higher keys, I seem to be a bit henind

Behind

Good prot tanking guides****

[soft kindle]

This week you can stealth gather shit, which is pretty fast, not like the nuke last week fast but still good

[royal marten]

Did they increase the length on the dot for sacred flame for the first boss?

[solid owl]

lmao, I knew it

[royal marten]

it was 10 sec literally Saturday, trying it on heroic and it's lasting 5 seconds longer

making it considerably droppable

harder to drop

aaa

[primal crypt]

I thought we wouldnt get it

that shit is going to be nuts on mythic lmao

[neon tangle]

Does anyone have a preferred strategy for dealing with the tank swap on the first boss

There isn’t really an obvious time to do it

[soft kindle]

Kill it in sub 2 min and ignore mechs

[neon tangle]

I imagine that’s what we will end up doing

[primal crypt]

Run monk warrior monk monk

Chi torpedo/leap swap

Or dps taunt

Works too

Bop taunt

[sick sentinel]

just kill the boss lol

[neon tangle]

Yeah we been bop taunting

Feels kinda gross tho

Maybe they intended for you to swap after the adds die

[sick sentinel]

that sounds like a good time to tank swap tbh

[neon tangle]

I may be remembering it wrong but I thought the stacks for high too quickly for that

[royal marten]

It seems like it

3 tanks make it easy again

[steel mauve]

swap after the adds die or use spell reflect and leap away and haul ass during a cast

[merry cave]

Heroic is pretty easy to leap and run with the move speed talent.

[dreamy owl]

We need to do a thunderclap spam

[dusky mica]

⛈ 👏

[lavish oracle]

@neon tangle Are you not just dropping stacks with spell reflect?

[royal marten]

You can't quite drop them with the 15 sec timer, she reapplies after a reflect

[lavish oracle]

Nope, I always drop them with reflect

[royal marten]

did you do the fight today?

[lavish oracle]

Yesterday

Did they hotfix it somehow?

[royal marten]

I did it Saturday on an alt and it was only 10 sec and doable with spell reflect

Today however it was 15 seconds and I thought I was going nuts

[neon tangle]

@lavish oracle honestly I don’t even play warrior any more

So naw no SR

[lavish oracle]

Oh, RIP

[neon tangle]

But I like this discoed more than the BDK one

[lavish oracle]

That's probably fair

[neon tangle]

Maybe some day sal or marok will ban me for being a traitor

[sand egret]

benedictbox

[undone sun]

hmmm

[daring marlin]

Don’t like acherus? they got some funny memes

frost did anyway during legion lol

[lavish oracle]

Oh, wow, you're right

can't just spell reflect it anymore

doing the mechanics on this fight is awful

ugh

[west kayak]

Just for my knowledge. We only want one DC and if possible one BoM correct? I see people talking about 3x DC and 3x BoM.

[sick sentinel]

it's for damage

meme build

[west kayak]

I was just curios as I do have the pieces for both 3x but it doesnt seem right...

[warm plinth]

For M+, multiple traits of BoM is a good idea. Its primary appeal is the mastery, not the IP, so it's relatively unimportant that the IP part doesn't stack.

[sick sentinel]

you want 1 piece of DC

[warm plinth]

Multiple traits of DC is less appealing though

[sand egret]

not to mention that the stacking of BoM increases AP via Mastery which in turn increases the IP granted by BoM.

[final mist]

If you're comfortable with your group / your own and groups' ability to handle shit in M+

No reason to not run 3x DC too

More than 1 DC is less appealing for defensive purposes, sure, but it's hilariously good for DPS

[zinc creek]

Wait multiple DC can stack?

[undone sun]

all traits stack

[shut sun]

just the damage stacks

[summer kestrel]

Rule for every trait

Damage/Healing numbers stacks

Effects do not

[crisp fractal]

Callous Reprisal should Stack for example

[zealous crest]

what you think about Blood Rite vs BfI?

my goal is max dps

[marble cipher]

ST or Aoe? Cause I believe BfI is better for ST, not sure about blood rite tbf

[sick sentinel]

BfI is very good in ST, dps wise

[ember crest]

just noticed daelin proudmoore's saber doesn't have a str version for us, the fuck

[rapid tide]

Wait, really?

[ember crest]

yea

[rapid tide]

Yikes

[ember crest]

got the ring tonight was looking forward to getting that set bonus

NOPE

[rapid tide]

Yee, sounded sweet

Rip

[ember crest]

ill send a bug report that will definitely get it fixed

[oblique garnet]

its not a bug tho

[ember crest]

should be

[oblique garnet]

we get the set bonus from cape and ring

not ring and sword

[indigo phoenix]

Any reason why my Avatar/Racial/Trinket macro not working?

Using same one for fury Reck/Racial/Trinket

[ember crest]

think you are thinking of the other set bonus

[indigo phoenix]

but for prot it doesnt work for some reason

[oblique garnet]

yup

we cant get the other set bonus

[ember crest]

shouldnt even give us the ring then

[warm plinth]

@indigo phoenix Is Recklessness off the GCD? Maybe racial and avatar are both on it or something?

Whereas Reck isn't; idk if it is or not

[indigo phoenix]

it shouldnt matter

even if avatar is trinkets and racials arent

[warm plinth]

I didn't know if they were or not

[icy walrus]

Hi guys, I've been smashed by Paku HC last night as prot warrior, so most likely there is something I am totally missing. What should the standard rotation be on that boss?

I am trying to keep up shield block, but it seems not enough

[oblique garnet]

are your mages spell stealing the buff?

[icy walrus]

Yes

[strong forum]

Paku hits like a wet noodle what do you mean

Just do a swap at ~30 stacks

[ember crest]

just dont drop SB, invulnerable

shield OP

[strong forum]

Or tank him until other aspect dies

[ember crest]

paku should be first kill prio

then kimbul

[strong forum]

Lol no

[ember crest]

gonk is a joke

[strong forum]

Kill gonk, kimbul, paku then the last

[icy walrus]

actually we want to get rid of the hexes first

otherwise is a mess during pakus wrath

[ember crest]

its easy to work with

[strong forum]

Killing paku 3rd is so chill

Paku is legit the least dangerous of all

[icy walrus]

Maybe we are switching early then

around 15 stacks

[strong forum]

That's way too early

30 - 40 is okay

[icy walrus]

And when kimbul enter's, my cotank needs a switch too tho

[strong forum]

Just dwarf racial :^)

[ember crest]

we have 0 issues doing paku>kimbul>gonk, just learn how to bird and its ez

and yea be a dwarf

clear at 3

[icy walrus]

my cotank is a worgen guardia drood

[strong forum]

Oof

[icy walrus]

so basically he needs to drop kimbul's stacks somehow

that's maybe the issue?

[strong forum]

Can you bop the stacks?

[ember crest]

dont think so

[strong forum]

Maybe that works, we literally 1shot conclave so I can't tell you much

[ember crest]

just swap when he has 2 stacks then

[icy walrus]

regardless paku's stacks?

[strong forum]

Didn't have to tank kimbul I sat on paku for lik 6 min

[icy walrus]

lol

[ember crest]

why we did paku first, didnt have to deal with that

[strong forum]

Only had to remove the stacks on paku by taking 1 auto by a melee dps

Literally a non existant boss if you have a shield tank

[ember crest]

i love the noise of SB when stacks get high

tinktinktinktinktinktinktink

[lavish oracle]

I can basically tell you without testing it that you can BoP Kimbul's bleed

[strong forum]

Ye figured as much

[ember crest]

pretty sure we had our holy try to BoP that bleed and it failed

[lavish oracle]

I'll try it tomorrow. Would be an incredibly weird exception. I run with a holy pally and have yet to see a physical bleed you can't BoP

And you can Dark Iron it

[undone sun]

almost positive it doesn't work

[undone sun]

oh

shit

[icy walrus]

Cool

[oblique garnet]

friends how long till the na reset?

[undone sun]

5 hours

[oblique garnet]

damn

can see some good quality na raids

[lavish oracle]

Time to go to sleep so I can wake up to a lovely 425 socketed shield that I know Ion will leave in my weekly cache for me

[oblique garnet]

Does limit actually stream WF or nah?

[lavish oracle]

Nah

[ionic fern]

@undone sun there are 2 different bleeds. There's "Lascerating Claws" that CAN'T BE BoP/DS'ed and then there's the "Bleeding Wounds" bleed that CAN be BoP/DS'ed.

[icy walrus]

Bleedin wounds is the one the tiger puts on players, right?

Lacerating wounds is the Kimbal's one

[ionic fern]

Jeap.

[undone sun]

:notlikethis:

[mental scarab]

So on the gold boss the ”attack” do we just SB or do we need LS for it?

Coin sleep

[ionic fern]

Block is enough unless you're low on HP since it's blockable.

That's the dmg on HC.

[tired cove]

Should i make the engi helm or the alch trinket first help me decide 😦

[tight tree]

Another from me, is engi helm worth it at all to craft if i have 5 engi skill (not leveled it at all)

😃

[astral geyser]

Engi was fairly painless to level

[tired cove]

yeah engi is easy to level

[oblique garnet]

Idk i would say the alchemy trinket would probably end up being better

[modest wedge]

i switched from bm and mining to alch and engi

since the helmet is almost bis on st

and bis on aoe

so its a brain dead choice

trinket is easy ilvl 415

[oblique garnet]

Its not bis on aoe

[modest wedge]

🤔 did i look wrong

[oblique garnet]

It doesnt have bom

[sharp lotus]

Leveling engi is expense as fuck though.

[oblique garnet]

it was like 40k

or smth

[sharp lotus]

Someone reset the market on monelite ore on my server

So I am getting crushed by the price of that shit

[sick sentinel]

Engi Sims bis for hectic. Just sort by item level instead of trait stacking.

I've seen a few DPS try it and they were unimpressed by the bomb trait in practice

[tight tree]

Good reason to level my DK i guess who is miner.

Or my druid who is miner/herbalist 🤔

[mental scarab]

Lol @ionic fern warriors are bad tanks 😂😂😂

[ionic fern]

Huh?

[mental scarab]

We take so little dmg😁

So we are not bad like ppl think

[lucid bough]

what trait is good in ST? In the engineer helm I mean

[mental scarab]

Same with the ape boss my co tank died bdk and i tanked solo for a good 3 min until CR was up

[autumn pendant]

Strong boi

[wintry ermine]

missed out on gelbin and opulence trinkets this heroic reset, but got the bob sandy trinket 😐

going to give the bobsandy trinket a try, even though its 100% shit

[oblique garnet]

its not

[idle kindle]

can i stack 3x bastions or is that bad

[oblique garnet]

its good for progress

@idle kindle 3x BoM is bis for m+

[mental scarab]

How do you find all that BOM 😐

[fickle juniper]

I main fury but I've just switched to prot for abit. In fury capping on rage is really bad, however with prot I keep on capping rage even though I am using shield block and ignore pain. Should I be looking to dump my rgae into anything when I dont need IP and when TC is on CD?