protection

[daring marlin]

@neon tangle bruh my gm didn't know AMS prevented bursting stacks

I wanted to die

He mains DK this expac lol

[fast nacelle]

The buff of dc will only work one time

[undone sun]

i would guess IF is better than tidal surged @last loom

correct @fast nacelle the duration change nor the amount of enemies affected change based on increased traits, only additional damage per TC

[last loom]

i run duengons only

i dont care for raids really

[undone sun]

doesn't really change much, i highly doubt a proc slow would be that much more useful

[daring marlin]

It has an absurd uptime.

I'd still go IF

[oblique garnet]

@last loom How many BoMs do you have? IF gets better the more you do

[last loom]

2

2 bom 3 dc

all items are 385 though

sadly

[oblique garnet]

o wtf Glick actually timed 17 siege

[fast nacelle]

Bom means what exactly

?

[edgy mango]

bastion of might

most likely

[fast nacelle]

Ahhhh 🙈

[edgy mango]

^^

[fast nacelle]

Stupid 🤣

[fast nacelle]

I know this is not the WA Channel but anyone has a WA for the Dimant buff as a tank at Boss Opulence?

[floral tinsel]

What is AMS an abbrevation for?

[runic fractal]

anti magic shell

[floral tinsel]

ty

[last loom]

im on oppulence now which color crystal do i take

[hot locust]

can only take diamond as tank

[trim bay]

It’s on the RHS

[oblique garnet]

Tfw if you scrap azerite gear for residuum item restoration doesnt actually take it back if you restore the item

[crisp hearth]

Tried that already

The mail doesnt mention it but take it back from you when you restore the item

[ebon hound]

Can confirm, item restoration does indeed reclaim your residuum

[warm plinth]

What happens if you spend the residuum first? 😮

[oblique garnet]

^

[crisp hearth]

Waiting 13 days to answer hahahah

[opal path]

^

@fierce juniper

[austere oar]

I think you cant reclaim anymore if you already spent the ressources linked to the item

do you guys think we can expect a 3 tanks Rashtakan fight in M diff ?

bc damn Bwonsamdi hits hard as fuck

[merry cave]

Is anything spell reflectable on rastakhan

feel like im getting spanked

[austere oar]

Bwonsamdi is a heavy magic dot boss

so yeah, we're getting shredded

[summer kestrel]

mythic+ mostly

bowsandi its going to be pala tank cheese

[merry cave]

Yeah feels awful lol

[ionic fern]

At 40 stacks it's like 98k raw iirc every 3s

On HC

[merry cave]

FInally got it, fuck that hurts

[ionic fern]

But jeah, paladin's gonna be sick on that fight

Can SW and immune yourself from it. 🤷

[sick sentinel]

I didn't find Rastakhan that heavy on damage taken

17k dtps on our kill

[ionic fern]

It's not. Only iffy place is when you get the Caress of Death while being low HP.

And/or get hit by frogs.

[sick sentinel]

Scorching detonation was the hardest hitting thing in there and you have SR for all of them

[austere oar]

if Scorching hits you harder than Bwonsamdi's dot i wanna know how you tank him

[sick sentinel]

might be bloated because of the last phase tho

[ionic fern]

I had 40 stacks there.

[austere oar]

yeah but we're looking at a spell cast P1 - P2 - P3 vs one cast only during p2

[sick sentinel]

but as long as your raid isn't a bunch of headless chickens, in the bwon/rasta phase isn't that much to heal, only tanks

[austere oar]

but yeah, we were on a 30 players raid for HC prog so we went 3 tanks

[odd geode]

Hey guys , is Gilded Loa Figurine any good for protection?

[ionic fern]

We were only 25

So we 2 tanked

[sick sentinel]

22, 2 tanks > Bear and prot

scorching is covered by SR, stacks with IP

[odd geode]

Welp , Is Gilded Loa Figurine any good for protection?

[austere oar]

if you get a 400 proc one probably

[odd geode]

If I have a 375 syringe from uldir?

and i egt 370 Loa should I use over it ?

[austere oar]

but idk I find Scorching ray negligeable imo

[sick sentinel]

if you don't have anything better to equip

[austere oar]

Hero leap, IP , SR and it hits like a wet noodle

[odd geode]

Nope

[sick sentinel]

it is, it stings a bit but ST is fine for that

I have a tendency to run to uganda with it so healers can't reach me D:

[austere oar]

how much did it hit per cast approx ?

[ionic fern]

Scorchoing?

Scroll up.

😒

😂

[austere oar]

oh right

well 40k is nothing anyway

[ionic fern]

Plus the final detonation

They are 2 different spell ID's iirc

[sick sentinel]

well as I said, there's not much going on on that fight

I see no reason to 3 tank it

maybe if your healers suck

[austere oar]

yeah I should tell them to rethink their positionneemnt

I most of the time only had the holy priest in range when tanking bwonsamdi

[sick sentinel]

or just tell people to stop being hit by frogs

worked for us

I'm more scared on grong when he decides to do 3x bite

and you take 2 + squeeze

[austere oar]

yeah I dont know how to handle Mythic 3x Smash yet

grong is scary

[sick sentinel]

1st debuff should wear off by the time of 3rd

I think

[ionic fern]

Jep. Atleast on HC it does

[austere oar]

oh so we should Smash Tank 1 - Smash tank 2 - smash tank 1 ?

[rapid tide]

Ye.

[austere oar]

there's time for it ? alright

[sick sentinel]

it lasts 2 sec on mythic

2.5 sec on HC

[rapid tide]

You either taunt after smash or after 2nd skill. At least on HC.

And double smash => double taunt.

afaik 🤔

[sick sentinel]

or just be warrior and eat 2 smashes to face without your HP even moving 🤔

[austere oar]

I tried taking the second one with only SB up to see how much dmg it did on hc

took a 300k

[rapid tide]

Or just have double warrior tanks in raid and wipe 18 times on Jadefire HC :^)

[sick sentinel]

jadefire is bugged as hell

[rapid tide]

idd.

[urban walrus]

Triple bite is fine if the first tank takes first two bites as the squeeze is after the 3rd (on the other tank)

[rapid tide]

Half the time I could leap through the rings of peace, other half I just got stuck in between 2.

Sometimes we did not get ported to beginning of lab.

[sick sentinel]

you should jump before leaping

[rapid tide]

Oh that's clever actually.

[sick sentinel]

we had a warlock gate and it worked for some reason

[rapid tide]

Warlock gate works, ye.

[austere oar]

sometimes lock gate got me stuck between 3 rings

[sick sentinel]

so when I failed leap, I just intervened someone

[austere oar]

getting bumped back and forth for 5 secs

[rapid tide]

^

But ye, it felt super bugged.

Healers were reporting debuffs not showing up

Or just like 2/3 showing up

And depending on camera angle in the seven-sided strike the platforms around me vanished.

[sick sentinel]

most funny thing is when entire raid gets teleported up to do the minigame and noone knows wtf to do

[rapid tide]

I was not the biggest fan of the fight tbh 😂

[austere oar]

i think the colors of the seven sided are trash

[rapid tide]

Like the mechanics are fun af

[austere oar]

like everything's blue in a blue sky

[rapid tide]

But it felt like something bugged out every pull.

They have colors?

[sick sentinel]

yep

[austere oar]

the ring has one

[rapid tide]

inb4 I did that mechanic >30 times yday and didn't notice.

[austere oar]

the 4 images too

[sick sentinel]

but they doesn't matter, the order they spawn matters

[rapid tide]

Ye,

[austere oar]

but everything's blended in the environment

[rapid tide]

I just looked for order, it was kinda easy.

DPS kept failing it lase phase tho 😃

[austere oar]

she grabs DPS around her iirc

[sick sentinel]

on our kill we pushed it before 100 energy

[austere oar]

if no one is on the monk during this phase

[rapid tide]

but tbf our dps sucks. Should not have even gotten to 100 energy phase

[austere oar]

she wont grab ppl

[rapid tide]

Ye exactly.

But like... we had half the dps below tank in several pulls.

So ye...

[sick sentinel]

might not be the case on mythic tho

[rapid tide]

I think the fight on mythic is gonna be quite fun and hectic 😄

[sick sentinel]

I'm a bit scared that it will be first roadblock

[gaunt dawn]

Fight is bugged
People failed the mechanic

Pick one?

[rapid tide]

Parts are bugged.

And people failed the not bugged parts

😉

So pick two 😛

[gaunt dawn]

What's bugged about it?

Outside of spell reflect

[austere oar]

whats bugged in SR ?

[rapid tide]

Spell Reflect
No port towards labyrinth entrance
Rings of Peace sometimes getting people stuck randomly when you leap over them (mid of leap => stuck)
Debuffs not showing up for healers

When you SR fireball to the mage he sometimes gets the tank dot

And when it expires deals raidwide dmg

[gaunt dawn]

No port towards labrinth entrance?

Can you elaborate on this

RoP getting stuck is just how that spell works. If you're not completely out of range of it you get hit

Thats not a bug

Jump before you leap if its long. Else dont let your leap be too shallow

[rapid tide]

Nah like beginning of lab you get ported to "the entrance"

We just stayed where we are.

Let me grab the log, sec.

[pulsar grove]

Does Iron Fortress stack?

[rapid tide]

ay

[gaunt dawn]

Debuffs not showing is likely ui config

Its there on default blizz ui

So theres one bug potentially

If theres a cause for the perma root as it were we can see it in the log and report it

I say perma root

The teleport not functioning

[sick sentinel]

magma trap spawning on top of the Living bombs in nice "Fuck you" too on that fight

[autumn pendant]

Thats still managable

[gaunt dawn]

You have a grace period to move out of them, but thats still something to note

[sick sentinel]

still anoying

I just don't trust people D:

[gaunt dawn]

@rapid tide if you can find that log, pm it to me ill see what i can find. If theres nothing there, then theres not much that can be done

The key to a successful report is reproduction steps

Most 'bugs' people have arent bugs but bad play or config 😢

[sick sentinel]

the maze teleporting is definetly a bug tho

but that can be exploited

[rapid tide]

@gaunt dawn I went through the logs now and I could not find the situation where we weren't ported, I think it was actually our 3UH DKs having Death's advance active and therefore staying where they are... Tbh it might in the end just be the lab loading a bit slowly on my machine and it seeming the way that we were not actually teleported. I am looking for the getting stuck thing right now, need to dig through 19 wipes, gonna take a couple minutes 😄

[mossy cairn]

Hello, is a gem socket worth more than 5 iLvl ?

[sick sentinel]

depends on the gear slot

[mossy cairn]

In my case, gloves, I have 395 gloves with a haste gem and I dropped 400 gloves with no socket

[whole acorn]

i would have a similar question too, got a 395 shield (haste+mastery) and received the same one but 385 and a socket... donno if i should swap with the lower ilvl one or not

[sick sentinel]

ilvl > anything on shields

[whole acorn]

yeh, more block, but that socket looks delicious

[sick sentinel]

for the gloves, I would probably take the socket ones if they have good stats over the 400 ones

sockets doesn't matter on shields

only ilvl

[whole acorn]

aaight, thanks

[mossy cairn]

They both have crit haste, although the 400 have more haste

Guess I'll stick with my 395 then, thanks for the answer 😃

[rapid tide]

@gaunt dawn https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TR9aD6dNPfmrQJ31/#fight=6&view=replay starting at ~2:44. Tank with the Red X, Baa. It's really hard to make out in the log and the knockbacks do not show up in the events table sadly. At 2:51 I Heroic Leaped to unstuck myself. Not sure whether waiting longer to get bounced around would have fixed it too, probably it would.

Guess a VoD would be much more useful, I'll record our next raid I think 😄 I am quite sure we will wipe 20 times again so enough time to test for bugs 😂

Oh also another bug much more easy to see.

Dots on the wall do not do anything

Until there are 3 wall segments active

[astral crystal]

there's a few buggy mess fights

mekkatorque dc bug, stormwall teleporting adds bug

[rapid tide]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TR9aD6dNPfmrQJ31/#fight=6&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=63&ability=77575 => Outbreak casts starting at 2:21
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TR9aD6dNPfmrQJ31/#fight=6&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=63&ability=-191587 => Virulent Plague only starts ticking at 2:47

😄

But ye, w/e. not exactly #protection material.

I think jumping before leaping should help with the rings.

So I'll take that from the fight

And I have to spell reflect more I guess because fk the fire dmg.

[summer kestrel]

bugs you say?

pretty useful the pvp medallion to cleanse the totem mind control

[hollow thorn]

Ppl gained PvP talents when MC'd on Ghuun

[summer kestrel]

kek

[sick sentinel]

I got victory rush on grong after the smash murdered one unlucky healer that stood too close

[rapid tide]

That's a nice one 😄

[old zephyr]

Victory rush procing when an AoE on you kill someone is not New

Taloc used to do 5he same

[austere oar]

So if you take adaptation

on a boss that MC you

[old zephyr]

And i'm pretty sure there was/is others as well

[austere oar]

you could potentially instantly break the MC ?

[rapid tide]

I think that only ever happened on Gul'Dan for some weird reason.

Normally you do not get pvp talents for being MCed 😄

[austere oar]

yeah but if fight is bugged :^)

[rapid tide]

😄

[old zephyr]

I think quacking does it as well

[hushed sand]

Yo, in mm+ context, is Brace for impact better than a blood rite ?

For survivability*

[rapid tide]

In general the prot specifics are > the generic ones.

[formal kayak]

hi

[rapid tide]

Hi

[formal kayak]

I have fathoms, jaina's trinket (385) and gladiator badge (370)

which ones should I pick for prot?

jaina's and badge?

[rapid tide]

That's highly dependant on the situation.

For pure dps probably Jaina and Fathoms.

[formal kayak]

M+

[rapid tide]

You can sim it though at this point.

If you are only going for the dps aspect then probably just plug it in raidbots.

[formal kayak]

I see, thanks

[eager phoenix]

Does Jainas Glacial Ray give 1 stack of Chilling Touch guaranteed on the player she targets? Or is it possible for everyone, including the player that was targetted, to sidestep before she starts channeling?

[inner zealot]

Hey guys, new to Prot so apologies if this has been asked before that I couldn't find. Icy Veins heavily recommends Haste gems, enchants etc. Yet my other addons, Mr Robot etc. all tell me to switch to Vers gems/ enchants. Is there a breakpoint or is one of these just completely wrong?

[rapid tide]

Mr Robot is wrong in about 98% of cases generally speaking.

It's a tool that did not age all too well.

And no, there is no breakpoint.

[inner zealot]

so stick to the haste gems/ enchants?

[sand egret]

no breakpoint, all of our stats are very close with haste on top.

so gemming/enchanting for haste is recommended

[rapid tide]

Yip.

[inner zealot]

Awesome, thanks

[rapid tide]

Although I personally tend to use Vers gems on gear that I won't use too long.

Because fk paying 40x the price for minimal gains.

[sand egret]

i wouldnt trust the sim addons and stuff too well, they tend to not really speak for the whole picture

[rapid tide]

I mean the sims are all about the dps most of the time.

It's not really easy to "sim" a tank for damage.

So mostly just stick to the guide recommendations for stats.

aka ilvl > all and then haste > others

[sand egret]

yeah, like haste also gives defensive value which is not always calculated.

[rapid tide]

I think the thing you should keep in mind is that a 380 with crit/mastery is still better than a 370 with haste/vers

broadly speaking.

[sick sentinel]

@mossy cairn @whole acorn you go for ilvl on every item, even if you might lose some secondaries, you will get str stamina and armor, so don't sleep on those.

[inner zealot]

How does that factor into rings/ trinkets though with the stats being so different

[rapid tide]

As trinkets mostly have secondary effects other than stats you can not go just by pure ilvl there.

[whole acorn]

👍 @sick sentinel

[rapid tide]

For rings you want most stats you can grab. So ilvl.

[mossy cairn]

@sick sentinel Thanks 😃

[rapid tide]

But you can imho take like -5-10 ilvls to "fix" your stats.

Basically if you have 5% haste I would probably take a 300 Haste ring at 365 over a 320 vers one at 370.

But that's more about not feeling like dying while playing I guess.

[sick sentinel]

@inner zealot rings you generally still go with ilvl, you will drop 5 ilvls for a socket though

[inner zealot]

gotcha

[sick sentinel]

Trinkets, just send a screenshot here and people will let you know

[inner zealot]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/tichondrius/pyrobaby

[sick sentinel]

I mean in a sense "should I replace x and y with z or no? "

[rapid tide]

I mean if you only have 2 trinkets... then ye, wear those 2

:^)

It's hard to find a trinket that's worse than having no trinket.

[modern brook]

[sick sentinel]

But yeah, RAGE and bandages are good

Ideally in mplus you will want a trinket that gives either stats or helps with dps in some way over bandgages

[modern brook]

Trinket priorty is BIG FAT STATS>strong healing procs > whatever the fuck u have

as a general guideline

Stats help all aspecs of you so stat procs and on use stat steroids are particularly strong

specifically if they line up with avatar

[sick sentinel]

^^

[modern brook]

we dont have self healing so things like DMD last tier are particularly good on us

[oblique garnet]

Opulence trinket is by far the most broken trinket from BoD

[inner zealot]

I was going to ask what trinket I should be looking for over bandages, it's becoming less and less useful

the diamond one @oblique garnet ?

[rapid tide]

Opulence Trinket, Jes Howler, Rezan's gleaming Eye.

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[rapid tide]

Are kinda good.

The last 2 are pretty easy to farm on decent ilvl

[oblique garnet]

So like rezan and opulence trinket

[sick sentinel]

It's absurd that it scales with haste

[rapid tide]

Ye, I will go opulence + rezan's.

For defensive at least.

[modern brook]

I'm looking at Opulence + the crit rinket from Darkshore WB

as my go tos

[rapid tide]

crit tho

:/

[oblique garnet]

Crit is nice

[modern brook]

crit is fat

[oblique garnet]

And 1 min cd

[sick sentinel]

It's very very good

[rapid tide]

I just like haste

😄

Oh 1m in cd is nice.

[modern brook]

thats what gear is for

[rapid tide]

Lines up nicely with avatar

[sick sentinel]

It's up every avatar

[rapid tide]

🤔

ye

[whole acorn]

the spore seeds trinket from Underrot isnt bad either if you look at the amount of heals it did at the end of a dungeon for instance

[modern brook]

everyt other

[oblique garnet]

Unless i can somehow get the same feather i have i will probably get rezan and opulence trinket

[rapid tide]

Nah, avatar is ~55s cd with AM

At least for me on recent fights.

[oblique garnet]

40-50 sec

[rapid tide]

Ye, might be me sucking 😄

[modern brook]

Oh dude

I forgot about the feather trinket

I want that :^(

[sick sentinel]

Same

80% mastery

[oblique garnet]

😃

[sick sentinel]

Wait, how high do I have to push to get 900 titan juice in my next chest?

[oblique garnet]

16-17 probably

Idk the exact scalings

You na or eu?

@sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

Eu

[oblique garnet]

Oh

Then you can ask some na people tomorrow how much residuum they got

Youre up at really odd hours for eu tho

[sick sentinel]

Well, I raid on Thursday anyway, so I'll either run a normal and some m0s

yeah tell me about it

[oblique garnet]

I mean

[sick sentinel]

It's called insomnia

[oblique garnet]

Tell me about it xD

[sick sentinel]

We're both up at very weird hours

[oblique garnet]

True

[sick sentinel]

It's like 4pm rn and I'm gonna get breakfast

[oblique garnet]

Yh im thinking about going to sleep soon xD

Or try atleast

Actually trying to fix my sleeping patterns so i can farm m+ on wednesday

[sick sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523056627348406294/536357955226959872/Screenshot_20190120-013438.png

[modern brook]

is that AP / Lvl?

[sick sentinel]

can somebody confirm this?'

titan juice

[modern brook]

ahh

[signal plover]

That's based on ion's indictation during an interview where he said it would be roughly 10 times as much.

[modern brook]

i mean 97x10 != 1010

[signal plover]

I think he gave a specific conversion example too.

[modern brook]

but it does ~=1010

so im willing to follow that

[signal plover]

And then they applied the ratio of that example to the others

[sand egret]

that looks close to me

[modern brook]

how much for a random 415?

[sick sentinel]

1765

[sand egret]

^

[modern brook]

this video game is bad

😠

[sick sentinel]

I have like 800 rn

[sand egret]

meh around 3 weeks or less

[primal crypt]

Bad is an understatement

[oblique garnet]

I can actually afford one next week without getting funneled azerite

Feels gucci

[primal crypt]

Im sitting here fishing in Draenor

need living action potions

[oblique garnet]

Why

[sick sentinel]

I am actually thinking of going mythic uldir

you need living action potions

[primal crypt]

Guild wants us to have them

[sick sentinel]

it is really important

[primal crypt]

for Jaina

[sick sentinel]

breaks iceblocks

on jaina

[oblique garnet]

O

Damn

[sick sentinel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/ak6zb2/tips_for_p3_jaina/?utm_source=reddit-android

[sand egret]

“If you design it they will farm”

[primal crypt]

I can also sell them

since I can make them

so far 23k

not a bad haul

[oblique garnet]

I bought 200 flasks

Feelsbadman

Thatll last like a month tops

[primal crypt]

herbs were super cheap like two weeks ago

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[primal crypt]

so I cleaned the AH

and procced

[oblique garnet]

The thing is

[primal crypt]

sold all the flasks during this prog week

EZ 400k

[oblique garnet]

The herb and flask price on draenor is the same

All you can do is hope for procs

[sand egret]

as an only M+ boi i feel like an amish dude in comparison. i have no need for your modern materialistic wants 😃

[oblique garnet]

You want the bis chest from first boss BoD tho

[sick sentinel]

I made 100 flasks

and many pots

ended up selling the pots because the price went up a lot

[sand egret]

haha nooo I want nothing to do with that place Late. But maybe I get it from one of the weekly quest caches eventually, who knows?

[brisk ferry]

I'm the same Bladesong, have no desire to touch the raid but I am havin a ton of fun with warrior in M+

it's been a friendly week for me to gear a fresh 120

[sick sentinel]

the raid is super fun tbh

[brisk ferry]

Boosted > Leveled to 120 > 382 in less than a week

haven't done any +10s yet though, if anyone has any input. How do you like Reaping?

[dusk locust]

i think reaping is a lot of fun

[dry whale]

Reaping > infested.

[brisk ferry]

oh really? I haven't seen too much about it but the general idea is intimidating

[dry whale]

Reaping does 0dmg so pull it with the next pack is my advice

[dusk locust]

i can already see places where route planning is going to be important

ehhhh depends on the pack. i wouldn't pull it with a pack that has important dispels

[sand egret]

reaping is fun cuz stuff kinda gets crazy

[sick sentinel]

reaping is a gift

[dusk locust]

we triggered reaping during a boss once

that was interesting

[brisk ferry]

damn awesome okay, I've been trying to get a +10 doen this week but people dont love the idea of a fresh tank, even though he's geared and my other tanks are all 1k+

[sand egret]

and the whole sfx and look is great

[brisk ferry]

sweet thanks

[sand egret]

if your healer is new, just remind them to basically spam dispel on you

that shit adds up real fast if they arent on top of it

[brisk ferry]

don't know too many players left playing, so it's just me and 1 DPS tring to find groups

has not been fun

[dusk locust]

definitely fun though. when i'm teaching new people reaping i just summarize it as "dispel on cd on the tank, don't stand in the bad, interrupt everything"

[sand egret]

yeah pugged one last night and timed a WM. wasnt too bad tbh

[sick sentinel]

I like standing where everything died and getting ready

3,2,1,avatar,thunderclap

[brisk ferry]

that's rpetty much my objective tonight, try and get 1 +10 done for the cache tomorrow

[sand egret]

yeah if you can get a good LoS to funnel em its ez

[brisk ferry]

finishing dungeons at like 15-16k overall dps is fuckin bananas as well, really enjoying it

[sick sentinel]

it's pretty Pog

[brisk ferry]

holy shit nice

[sick sentinel]

the thing is

you need outlaw rogues

Man that’s some BDE right there

[brisk ferry]

why Outlaw?

[sick sentinel]

both freeholds

first one was a 12 the other an 11

[brisk ferry]

Jesus, didn't notice* any buffs to them

[sick sentinel]

reaping was a buff

and they got a new azerite power

that buffs blade flurry

this guy was nuts

[brisk ferry]

my DPS jsut switched from rogue to DH, I'll get him to switch back lol

[sick sentinel]

like 2.6k rio S1

[brisk ferry]

unreal

[sick sentinel]

he also did a cheese, when we were ready to put in the key

he switched to the talent where when he uses adrenaline rush you get guaranteed 2 buffs

used adrenaline rush

and then he chenged talent again

and then we put in the key

(because we were BLing first pull)

[brisk ferry]

that is some spice, damn

thanks everyone for the Reaping input, I'll see what I can accomplish this evening

[oblique garnet]

Assa rogues are also insane

Outlaw is just good on aie

Aoe

[tropic star]

have you guys not had trouble with casters on reaping?

that 25% health bolt wrecked me in KR

[sweet kettle]

Shield wall spell reflect and pray

[rapid tide]

Praying is generally my way around reaping

Worked so far

[sick sentinel]

👢 🍵 them into oblivion

how is bonded souls for prot?

Bonded souls the Azerite trait

Nothing about it on IV or anywhere I see. Could be decent if it procs a lot

[rapid tide]

Meh.

Basically all prot specifics will be better overall.

[sick sentinel]

You'd never use it

Prot specfic traits are very strong

Rip

<@&257983573498265600> @brittle bramble

Oh

[green isle]

you what

you messed that one up naeno

😡

[junior igloo]

@rapid tide @sick sentinel
Do you have the math/explanation, pls?

[sick sentinel]

it procs a 10000 heal every 5 seconds across 15 secs on a 1 min ICD, and gives you 240 haste for the duration

the value of the trait comes from the fact that it is shared

the direct heal is already low value since you have no control over it

if it were a shield it'd be much higher value obviously

but again the value comes from the fact that the trait is being shared between two players

Is it 1min icd?

[jovial verge]

No

[sick sentinel]

it's 1 rppm

[jovial verge]

It procd about 75 times or so on a stonewall kill for me

[sick sentinel]

log?

The last info I had on it was sense saying we don't have hard math on it

if it procd 75 times and it wasn't a bug

[jovial verge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JTrt71qvx9fCLZQw#fight=last&type=healing&source=74

[sick sentinel]

that definitely changes the value of the trait

[jovial verge]

77 hits

Though, now that i'm looking at it the next day, thats probably split between when it heals me and someone else, but if thats the case shouldn't it be an even number?

[spark hamlet]

has the Azerite traits page been redone for the new ring that was added cause i tried to ask raid bots but it wont do a thing for me

[sick sentinel]

Raidbots doesn't like prot

[spark hamlet]

yeah im seeing that i just got a new helm and the outter ring i think i picked the wrong trait but now i cant change it either

[floral tinsel]

just reforge it

[spark hamlet]

says i cant reforge it cause there is no power picked

idk if its a add on issue or a bug

[sick sentinel]

Got the same issue on my druid, so might just be a bug

[rapid tide]

Okay, agreed, looking at the proc rate it has ~40-50% uptime which makes it quite good

I stand corrected, my bad.

[spark hamlet]

yeah says my new helm is a 370 but has 5 rings had to fill in the others to reset it

[sick sentinel]

When the math is done and definite pls ping and let me know

[jovial verge]

on another fun note, you can spell reflect the raid wipe that laminaria casts.

It still kills you, but you take 0 damage in your death log

[sick sentinel]

Namely if bonded souls is better than bfi or if or cr in mplus

WCL is doing funny shit with it, it's sharing ticks between you and the hpally that had it

its not 77 procs though

[steel mauve]

Dont use raidbots, our module isnt finished, so any thing you try will be completely inaccurate

[sick sentinel]

its logged in an interesting way

[daring marlin]

simming tanks lol

[sick sentinel]

will work it out, and let you know exactly @sick sentinel

[jovial verge]

Yeah Prawn, I didn't look at the actual buff uptime. If you look at that, it procced a lot less.

[sick sentinel]

it looks like its 1ppm

and the healing is delivered as a hot

looking through some other logs, bare with me for a bit

[jovial verge]

wcl still shows that I had 55% uptime on it, which is at least 55% uptime on the hot/haste.

oh, cuz I got it from someone else too. nvm

[sick sentinel]

yeah it's not yours individually

hey guys is it better to buy a 400 piece every week or save for 415? all my azerites are s1 370s

[jovial verge]

well let me know if its trash, cuz I could get a 2nd thunderclap trait over it for that sweet aoe damage.

and @sick sentinel it depends. The way the game works as soon as you buy your first piece with residuum, thats the next raid drop you're going to get.

[sick sentinel]

I don't raid

cr brings a bunch of damage as well

@sick sentinel buy 415s only

You are gimping yourself if you don't

[jovial verge]

Well if you wait to get 415's it will take longer, but overall more worth the investment. 400's will be replaced a lot faster, but are a shorter term increase in power

[sick sentinel]

what are they going to be replaced with?

Depends on how high you do you will be able to get a piece every other week

[jovial verge]

if you buy 400's now, you'll replace them with 415's later

[sick sentinel]

i'm not raiding so my only source of azerite is the vendor and the emissary

So in 6 weeks you have a full set of gear

i'm doing 10-11

so full 415 will take me like 2 months

whereas full 400 only 3 weeks

Do higher keys then :C

And pug normal BoD

It's pretty easy to get 7/9 normal

In an evening

tried pugging yesterday but had 0 luck with groups

and I really don't enjoy raiding

[jovial verge]

Its not for everyone.

[sick sentinel]

I'm looking at teh vendor rihgt now

675 for 400

[jovial verge]

But Unyun is right, try pushing higher keys. You get a lot more residuum that way

[sick sentinel]

and 1725 for 415

so if I keep doing 10-11

I can get a 400 in a week

but 415 will take 3 weeks

isn't it diminishing a bit

[jovial verge]

Yes and no,

the power gain of a 415 vs a 400 is very much worth it

The first 3 bosses all drop azerite that have decent traits, so you could even try to pug heroic, (I know you don't like raiding, but its prob worth it) letting you save for your 415 azerite easier.

[sick sentinel]

You can get a full set of 400s

And then go for a 415

yeah I was thinking that

and I can just do 10s on all alts

and get them all decently geared

Since all traits are good

It makes total sense

Imo

but I'm afraid that the season will end before I can amass all 415s

T_T

Nah man

If you get a full set of 400s

You will be able to push higher

right, didn't think about it

get 400s, push to higher keys get 415s faster

🤔

that's actually pretty okay

I also wonder if it's wroth to stack BoM

on all pieces of gear

That's your first priority

Get 3 bom and 1 dc

If you want to push mplus

on paper it's OP

I have 1 bom

In practice it is op

and it gives me 10% mastery

I have been running triple bom for a month now

I even dropped dc for bom

S1

1 dc is pretty mandatory isn't it

Depends how many fucks you give

i feel like it's pretty good in dungeons

a lot of + damage and - damage taken

It is extremely good

You want 3BoM 1DC if you want to push now

i'm currently in waiting mode for full 400s

have only 1 385 from season 2

emissary today

Do m0s

wait i forgot

i have a 370 shoulder from s2

with dc

so that's pretty okay

thanks @sick sentinel for answering, appreciated

Doing m0s and rushing to the the last boss is also a way for titan juice

Soulstone runs

[uneven mason]

can't wait for tuesday, no more bursting

that affix post buff can DIAF

[naive panther]

I get yourselves an everchill anchor m+ big deeps. 4.5% of my dps overall in runs

[thin ore]

speaking of which. I am pretty new to warri tanking and I don't know what I should do against bursting apart from spell reflect and ignore pain?

everything else has too much cd

[uneven mason]

its physical damage

SR does nothing

ignore pain, shield wall

that's about it

[thin ore]

shield wall is like 3 mins

[uneven mason]

healing potions

more like 2min 20s

but yeah

or just control your stacks

literally you can move through a dungeon pretty smooth

[thin ore]

not about controlling stacks, about what I can do to help healer so we can have more stacks

[uneven mason]

just gotta stop exploding mobs at 4

well if you're struggling

😛

but yeah IP is about it

[thin ore]

no, it's only me dying

[uneven mason]

RIP u?

[thin ore]

what about last stand for the last 1-2 ticks?

[uneven mason]

last stand then cancel aura it

you get the heal but not the additional % damage (since bursting is % health)

[thin ore]

how is that shit even calculated? does it take into account EVERY max health source?

[uneven mason]

yes

your current max HP

so if you blow a bunch of Health boosts during it

you'll strain your healer

[thin ore]

rallying cry go

or whatever the name is

anyhow

[uneven mason]

I mean, I had no problem surviving Bursting

the DPS died

so it could be that your healer is memeing

and being like "LOL WARRIOR SELF SUSTAIN"

[thin ore]

I am looking to upgrade my warrior ui since I try to get into it a bit more seriously now. I am looking for an icon sized all-in-one simplistic Ignore Pain display. There is one in the (icy veins?) guide which looks nice but I was wondering if you have other recommendations. https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker

[uneven mason]

I Use that and the block tracker

and thats it

then raid WAs

[sick sentinel]

@thin ore use @sick sentinel s weak aura package

[thin ore]

that one? https://wago.io/NJa8tmST-

[sick sentinel]

It has the IP and block inside as well

[thin ore]

my current ip wa is pretty basic, but sometimes I felt it would have been good to know how much of the absorb is depleted already.

[sick sentinel]

Also for bursting try to snipe last hits to heal up with victory rush

[uneven mason]

^

[sick sentinel]

@thin ore I have a different one for IP, it is a bar and it is EXTREMELY handy

[thin ore]

do you actually need to last hit for victory rush? didn't felt like that so far.

[sick sentinel]

PM me and I will send you a screenshot when I get home

[uneven mason]

Yes you need to get the killing blow for VR

I wish we didn't and that it worked like WM (just damage the target within 2 seconds of it dying)

We'd have so much self sustain in dungones if that was the case.

[sick sentinel]

I'm also trying out bury the hatchet over RP

Shits amazing

When you are desperate to surv

[uneven mason]

yeah, I think the Intimidating shout one is worthwhile for a minor CD on trash

too bad its so limited in scope

only 5 targets and if the mob is immune to fear it doesn't work

[sick sentinel]

I used it and I used int shout for that and then I didn't have it when I needed it for the interrupt

6targets

The one you target +5 I believe

[oblique garnet]

Vampiric speed is probably the best possibel trait for reaping

Ngl

[uneven mason]

mmmhmmm

Reaping such a nice affix for warriors

[sick sentinel]

I can attest to that

But the thing is

[oblique garnet]

I only have one and im doing 25-30k hps on reaping adds xD

[sick sentinel]

Inner traits you have to consider them in case by case basis

[uneven mason]

we triggered a reaping wave

while under water in shrine

healer instagibbed

because they all teleported on him

[sick sentinel]

LUL

[uneven mason]

• I Lived.

[oblique garnet]

How do

What

What can you even kill underwater to trigger it

The eels?

But how

[uneven mason]

yeah

[oblique garnet]

How do you have that much % heading into last boss o.o

[uneven mason]

we had 77%

[oblique garnet]

O

[uneven mason]

didn't expect them to teleport on top of us

[oblique garnet]

Thatll do it

[uneven mason]

we did 2 skips

were gonna kill boss and roll back

big pull, avoid 2 waves

however

someone aggroed an eel

so we were like "ok we'll just hold and let them run to us

[oblique garnet]

Dont you need like 81% to finish off the shrine if you take all the eels

[uneven mason]

and the Repers were like "SURPRISE BUTTSEKS

if they can't find a running path

[oblique garnet]

The first reaping in shrine was absolutely horrifying

[uneven mason]

they just POP on you

I clear in a circle on the stairs

so the last pack dies in the first room

so we can ez LOS the reaping

they group up and get CC'd peekaboo'd for the casts

[oblique garnet]

Yeah we tried some fancy shit and it backfired on us

[uneven mason]

mhmm

tried that on the 2nd reaping

just before the council

[oblique garnet]

Next week shrine will be alot easier tho

[uneven mason]

all in all

them buffing Bursting made it an affix

[oblique garnet]

Idk

[uneven mason]

prior to this bursting/quaking

was like

"free loot week"

[oblique garnet]

I think its more like the quaking makes it unnecessary hard

[uneven mason]

Bursting

on some dungeons

like SHrine

lots of little adds

that die fast

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

Temple wasn't so bad

[oblique garnet]

Temple was pretty easy

[uneven mason]

I think TBH SHrine is probably the worst dungeo nfor bursting

[oblique garnet]

It is

[uneven mason]

no wonder the PUG I joined was so happy to see ANY tank join them

I had been eyeballing their post for like 20min before I was like meh, whatever no one wants todo my 11 UR

[oblique garnet]

Underrot is free tho

Idk why people wouldnt want to do it

[uneven mason]

Its my first key of the season

so they might've been like "that dude has no Raider.io!"

[sweet kettle]

Underrot and tol are free af

[brisk ferry]

that's been my problem so far Mactier

something along the lines of a tank . raider . io would be sweet, then they'd at least know it's an alt but your mains or wtv are also tanks

for example

[sick sentinel]

You can still see s1 score

On mouseover you will show s2 score only when you pass your s1 score

Until then you will have a (*) next to it

[brisk ferry]

neat

[sand egret]

am I the only one that hates TD?

[sick sentinel]

Yes.

[sand egret]

ii hate that place with a passion

[sick sentinel]

With reaping it's great

[uneven mason]

I'll love TD next week

[sick sentinel]

Your healer has wisdom

[uneven mason]

when 10s drop 400 ilvl lot

[sick sentinel]

So you never have to stop

[uneven mason]

although

[sand egret]

whenever I get in there in my puggers it's always a shitfest

[uneven mason]

here is hoping I get the 425 warforge off the first boss in BFD

[sand egret]

and no one ever gets the whole cannon shit

and boy with reaping...

LOL

[uneven mason]

LOve me many reapings

VICTORY RUSH FOR DAYS

[sand egret]

I spend most of my time looking at my debuff stacks like 👀 hoping that dispel comes

not gonna lie, miss being a DiD for that one

[uneven mason]

got to Mekkatorque

I miss being a DiD too

Maghar racial such shit

'Oh gosh, thanks boss, 400vers for 10s"

way better than my insane amount of str

[sand egret]

and you get to sit in stuns for 25% longer!

[uneven mason]

did findout that if I Have a healer hitting me with an external for th 5th stack I can solo tank the bleed boss on council

cause DID eats it

[oblique garnet]

Theres nothing good from tol that can drop tho🤔

[sand egret]

a shield can

[sick sentinel]

And a weapon

[sand egret]

that's perty good

[uneven mason]

and howler

[sand egret]

ew

lol

[uneven mason]

HOWLER

[oblique garnet]

Atal drops better on all of those slots

Howler is garbage

[sick sentinel]

I got a 395 shield with avoidance the other day

[uneven mason]

yeah I'll run Atal too

[sand egret]

I mean if i had a choice i'd do AD

....duh

[oblique garnet]

I have 400 shield

[sand egret]

lol

[sand egret]

i'm talking when my key is sitting on a TD and I'm trying to pug it

[sick sentinel]

Replaced my 380+s I had from the second week of the expac

[oblique garnet]

First heroic kill got the chest and bonus rolled into chest

Im pretty sure ive used all my luck this tier

[sick sentinel]

I will not be able to raid in prot lootspec

[sand egret]

why can't my shit just alternate between AD/UR/FH

[uneven mason]

y FH

[sand egret]

i like FH

[uneven mason]

I mean its easy

but

nothing good

[sick sentinel]

Untill I have 2 425 twohanders

[sand egret]

FH means my key goes up

[oblique garnet]

There are like

2-3 items that are good from fh

[uneven mason]

can only get 410 weapons from +10s RIP

[sick sentinel]

Until then I'm perma fury lootspec for my chest and raids

[sand egret]

FH still can drop plate shit anywho so it ain't all bad

plus the mount 😃

[sick sentinel]

160 fh runs

[oblique garnet]

The mount is a myth

[sick sentinel]

No mount yet

Not even for somebody else

[sand egret]

i farmed my thunderfury for like 4 years straight

so that ain't big for me

[oblique garnet]

Ive seen it drop 7 times in my 190~ runs

[sand egret]

😃

[brisk ferry]

I got the bird on our first FH+10 :tarenlul:

[sick sentinel]

Trying to use a global emote in skyhold

[brisk ferry]

👍

[sick sentinel]

Technically you can but only If you're a valkur or in off topic

[brisk ferry]

yeh I figured, I also figured you'd know which emote it represented

[oblique garnet]

Also blade how can you hate tol

[sand egret]

yeah, I am totally hip the the emotes! Its so pog!

[oblique garnet]

Its so easy

[sand egret]

did i do that right?

[oblique garnet]

I like being basically afk half of the dungeon

[brisk ferry]

oh do Reaping mobs burst?

[sand egret]

no

[brisk ferry]

ty

[sand egret]

they dont interact with any affixes

[oblique garnet]

They can also be killed with tol dagor cannons and boralus spotter etc

[brisk ferry]

good to know

[astral crystal]

rekt

[civic sand]

guys whats the best traits for prot warris ?

[oblique garnet]

In what situation

[civic sand]

raiding

[sand egret]

anyone else seeing tertiary stats coming into their own by the end of this raid into 8.2? The way stats are scaling right now, I could see them having a bit more weight later on. I'm not sure how rapidly they diminish but just slapped on a single piece at 390 and it came with 100 avoidance, which is a 4% increase for me.

compared to my 395 with identical stats, i lose like 16 str and 1k hp overall for 4% avoidance. Seems interesting

[sick sentinel]

LEECH MEMES

Argus 50% avoidance memes

I have 5% avoidance now as well

From 2 items only

[final mist]

Avoidance was good when tank mechanics are all cleaves.

It's still decent since it lowers just passive raid mechanics on us.

But not worth much.

[sick sentinel]

Well I replaced my 380+s shield with a 395+avoidance shield

[naive panther]

I got 400 shield off first boss. Feels good

[final mist]

You replaced it because the shield was a huge upgrade, not because of the avoidance on the shield though.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but its a nice bonus

[final mist]

Yes, and that's all it is - a nice bonus.

[sick sentinel]

Does it reduce damage from gonk when he does the raptor thing?

[final mist]

Tertiary stats aren't worth much (Leech especially so).

[sick sentinel]

I had 5% leech once, it was great :D

[naive panther]

Avoidance was great for Argus. But now it’s not worth trying to stack. They devalued it

[sick sentinel]

I would never drop ilvl for it for sure

But I like it a lot when I see it

Good for prog as well

[uneven mason]

Best 2ndary, speed

So not gonna lie

I used a coin on normal Opulence

hoping fora trinket

cause I got mad at the Emmisary for giving me a ring

when all the agi users were getting 400ilvl titanforged trinkets

RIP still using a void disc and Mythrax eyeball

[sand egret]

yeah it's not something I want to optimize for, but in my scenario the 5 ilvls doesn't seem to outpace it. I guess the value of main stats will also scale so it'll keep that in check. It will become a "nicer to have" stat tho

[uneven mason]

Trinket luck continues

Blade

tell me, I'll get a425 Rezan's out of my chest this week

[sand egret]

uh? i mean it's sitting in my chest

[uneven mason]

Just I Need to hear it

[sand egret]

You'll get a 425 Jes' Howler in your cache

[uneven mason]

I'd be ok with that

its not a mythrax eyeball

raw vers is happy pants vs spelldamage

[sand egret]

im not even sure if that'll be in the cache pool anymore

[uneven mason]

buffing that IP

it should be

any dungeon drop

[sand egret]

i thought that was an uldir drop

[uneven mason]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[sand egret]

the eyeball

that is

[uneven mason]

thats the sound my brain just made

Oh ok I thought

you meant

that the chests

were going to be Uldir loot

and I Had an anxiety attack

[sand egret]

no you twit, what I'm saying is that the cache won't include "last seasons" loot (aka Uldir) in favor of BoD

😃

[uneven mason]

because our selection of trinkets in Uldir was basically "Syringe"

[sand egret]

so I'm not sure if Uldir loot is going to be in the cache at all

[uneven mason]

I hope not

[sand egret]

i highly doubt it

now...I want that 425 DLRP tho...

[exotic tiger]

give me more bloodsport traits

all of the bloodsports

[modern brook]

tryna L e E c H?

[sand egret]

well if it means all my bloodsport pieces are going to you since all my new pieces rolled BoM....i'm totally ok with it!

[uneven mason]

BoM and Bloodsport, some high insanity level IPs

[modern brook]

i came to ignore pain and kick ass

and i dont see any pain

[sand egret]

hahha

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel I uninstalled so I have no way of updating my wa

Anyone who wishes to take the set may do so

I only ask that you change the trigger options for the demo shout WA to prefer longest instead of shortest, as it was a mistake I never fixed

[sand egret]

i think im going to shift my warrior’s inner monologue to Duke as well

[modern brook]

i did a 10 atal and got fucked up lol

havent played my warrior since

:^(

[neon tangle]

I did a 10 this week and it was weirdly awesome

some 2k r.io player lead us

zero toxicity, rocked it

[sand egret]

that warms my heart

[modern brook]

Most >2k players ive meet are super nice

the problem area is like 1.1-1.4

[neon tangle]

I don't do a ton of m+, and he mained a DK tank, so he lead me through all the pulls, etc

organized kicks, etc

it was weird af

[sick sentinel]

I had a 2,4k ele and a 2.6k rogue join as a group in the 11 freehold

[neon tangle]

@modern brook I'm ~1k r.io, i.e. I do my 10 each week, never really interact with actual good players

I include myself in that, since I don't really know great routes, do many skips, etc

[sand egret]

yeah this band definitely involves similar people

once you're above that one-and-done band you get people who are doing M+ to do it

[modern brook]

1k r.io is my minimum for like I play M+ ppl

its not hard to accomplish especially by week 3

but its a strong milestone for people

imo

[uneven mason]

its like breaking 10000 armor!

[modern brook]

Or blocking > 100k on oppulence

its just a rite of passage

[sand egret]

but yeah @neon tangle I had a similar experience last night doing a +10. We kinda yolo'd it and despite it being new and what not for most of us it was quite enjoyable

[uneven mason]

144k 🛡

[modern brook]

i really like Reaping

I think its super creative with how you can handle it

[neon tangle]

I almost wish I wasn't in a mythic raiding guild

It was a good enough of an experience that I'd rather do high m+

[sand egret]

I feel like guilds do both

[modern brook]

I do think the deal wtih bwomsamdi is kinda lame

[sand egret]

I love that feature, tbh

[uneven mason]

It lets the group finish the key

[neon tangle]

@sand egret Mostly I spend too much time raiding so I don't have enough to really do a bunch of keys

[sand egret]

cuts down the "ah we failed so lets bail"

[uneven mason]

^^

[modern brook]

it feels like a bandaid to I dont wanna do 5 +17 shrines this week since you cant delete keys

[uneven mason]

literally that is waht it treats

[sand egret]

it's more to stop the pugger from leaving because "we can't beat this"

[uneven mason]

the "oh we missed timer, bye"

Folks are more likely to stick through a key, and learn

than to just bail

if people learn

[modern brook]

dont lie

people dont learn

[uneven mason]

ITS TRUE

[oblique garnet]

The 2 hour debuff it gives tho

[modern brook]

sure arent going to learn being carried by 20% extra healing

[uneven mason]

I had a HDH learn that him going nuts in shrine generally only meant he died

[sand egret]

not to mention finishing the key means it changes, which was the point of why people deleted their keys

[uneven mason]

because the healer explained that "If you blow adds up with eyebeams I will let you die and focus on everyone else"

[sand egret]

so people don't get stuck with the same (read: Shrine) bad place

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason I had that happen, but I had AMS up

so everyone but me died

[modern brook]

^ same but with cloak

[sand egret]

does AMS block bursting>

ya know what

don't answer that

[neon tangle]

@sand egret It prevents it from even being applied

[modern brook]

[sand egret]

haha imagine reflecting your bursting stacks onto the mob you're targeting haha

[uneven mason]

it no logner does

its a physical debuff

👏

[modern brook]

I think you're thinking necro

[neon tangle]

That's necrotic

bursting absolutely still is AMS-able, I did it like 12 hours ago

[uneven mason]

I did a 10 on my DK - AMS does not block bursting

[modern brook]

Damage or stacks?

[uneven mason]

stacks

[neon tangle]

It prevents it being applied

[modern brook]

🤷 i know cloak both purges and prevents

cant speak for bad classes

[uneven mason]

cloak purges like everything

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason To be sure, it doesn't clear it, but if you put it up before hand you won't get the stack