With all those fuck ups it was only 11 minutes above timer
#protection
oblique garnet
sick sentinel
late you should have watched sense's shrine
warm plinth
Yeah, without the mess-ups you probably could have timed it with a decent amount of cushion
sick sentinel
nothing short of hilarious
oblique garnet
Yeah well we basically wasted 5 minutes in the beginning wiping on reaping and shit
sick sentinel
I will just
warm plinth
The first pull was my favorite tbh.
sick sentinel
post this
warm plinth
"Bye guys"
sick sentinel
tbf, using lust at start was 200 iq
oblique garnet
We just pulled all nuked em and died
sick sentinel
LOL
oblique garnet
Honestly probably the fastest way to do that
oblique garnet
Did they time it?
sick sentinel
hell no
sick sentinel
there was so much salt from the previous run
depleto SoB
they did last boss shrine
without killing the trash before the boss
you know what I am talking about
sick sentinel
98%
oblique garnet
Actually the same
sick sentinel
then pulled eels
oblique garnet
Oh
sick sentinel
after last boss was done
sick sentinel
LOL
no they did 2 packs of eels
whole run was funny tbh
not fun for the group
first reaping is also monkaS
too many casters
oblique garnet
Same tbh
Like the first reaping is what started our downfall
We got it and someone pulled droplets and we died
warm plinth
Yeah I was gonna say that one with the droplets was brutal
oblique garnet
Droplets and the boss
sick sentinel
I feel that you should just pull the whole 4 packs of the boss room droplets and die
you might die too fast tho
oblique garnet
Well that wasnt the issue like we got the reaping before the boss droplets due to shrouding past them
And then as we went to interrupt the casters that were left we pulled both boss and droplets and just
Everything went to hell
sick sentinel
LOL
oblique garnet
Had to kill bunch of trash that wasnt necessary
sick sentinel
I kinda want to go watch your run now
oblique garnet
We had some monkaS moments
After that i went to do a fh and there was a rogue who just insisted he knew everything just because there was a raiderio route and wanted to do it
He just flatout refused to do the dungeon my way and just kept on pulling more trash when we were about to hit reaping from one mob
sick sentinel
Unlucky
Well, pugs are like that sometimes, even with high rio
When I started getting higher in score I thought I could escape
I was wrong
trim bay
What food should we eat again
neon tangle
Lots of veggies with some sort of protein
Avoid carbs and sweets
Real answer, main stat or haste food
steel mauve
100 main stat
open bluff
(or 85 if you're cheap and in M+)
vestal moat
hey guys, is it worthj dropping DC on a head piece that is 385 and only has 1 outer ring trait for a 400 with 2 new outer traits
warm plinth
Yeah
vestal moat
i would in essence trade DC for callous reprisal and another BfI
and 15 item levels
it's the Jaina helm. so actually might even be IF and BfI, not calous reprisal
warm plinth
Just adding the ring would have been worth it
vestal moat
ty
oblique garnet
Its not just 5th ring its also 20% more stamina compared to the other ones
steel mauve
same ilvl new azerite trait gear ahs more stats than same ilvl of older gear
tired cove
how often does the alch trinket proc ?
oblique garnet
1ppm
tired cove
oof
oblique garnet
its pretty good
frosty holly
On the Eng head last ring do i pick Personal Absorb-o-Torn or Auto-Self-Cauterizer?
sick sentinel
do you guys think restless tribes cloak from KR holds value as prot warr with the movespeed buff after 4 seconds?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159288/cloak-of-the-restless-tribes&bonus=4777:1512 this one here, got it at 385 rn
oblique garnet
@frosty holly its hard to say theres not much data out from it yet idk if any of the Stormforged bois is using them
frosty holly
Ok 😃
oblique garnet
i made the 385 engi helm and immediatley replaced it with other piece since i got one with BoM
But i think its honestly pretty good
sick sentinel
i'm in the same boat as you then, my goggles had DC, but then i got new shoulders which also had it, and then a better helm from emmisary
graceful cobalt
how good is the new alchi stone for us tanks
sick sentinel
not an alch personally but can't underestimate the power of healing potions as tank, so probably good?
always carry stack of 50 or so for keystones
open bluff
The primary benefit is stronger health pots, proc is nice but not very good offensively
You're better off saving your cores and breaths for BS/JC/eng gear
graceful cobalt
juwelier i am thinking about sec prof
sick sentinel
static versa is nice too on trinket, reduce dmg u take
open bluff
Eventually a 415 ring with guaranteed socket will last you a long time
Yes but you can get just as much if not more vers (and other stats as well) from other profession gear
sick sentinel
let's say i already have eng and mining on my warr already and want to drop it for something else, would get the gathering skill on another toon.
ember crest
god that disconnect bug on mekk was super annoying, also 16 raid size was rough too
i see most of you guys did it with 25+, everyone else getting that disconnect bug on robot enter?
oblique garnet
@graceful cobalt alch trinket is definitely good if you have alchemy as a profession you shoul definitely use it
steady fiber
Guys can help why weakauras spell reflect is not working for me ? Or im just a retard and dunno how to use weakauras? ( that kinda possible)
graceful cobalt
ok thx @oblique garnet i still thinking about alch proffession or BS
oblique garnet
i have bs and engineering atm
will probably roll into engi into alchemy at some point
low lynx
Hi what traits combo should I aim for in m+ tanking?
toxic prairie
low lynx
sorry missed that thanks
merry cave
what order do you guys do for heroic conclave
indigo panther
Gonk-Kimbul-Pa'ku-Akunda
The only bosses that are dangerous for prot on that fight is Gonk and Kimbul
also because they do frontal cleave
sp poeple get hit by it if they aren't careful
(which they rarely are)
merry cave
Yeah thats what we been going with
sterile hearth
How good is bonded souls compared to our spec specific traits ?
solemn kelp
Champions of the Light, prot wars can use SR to drop stacks of Sacred Blade?
Champion*
rough jasper
Yes
sinful cairn
Divine burst aswell
hard sigil
any1 using thread plates?
dim blaze
Any resources people have created for prot warrior specific M+ tips? For instance good mobs to use spell reflect against? I just use it whenever I’m facing a caster mob pretty much
vocal nimbus
you can check the reflectable/blockable sheet in #268491842637660160
there are tabs for each dungeon
dim blaze
Oh nice!
Holy crap this is amazing
Going to study this for sure exactly what I’ve been curious about for block and SR
dim blaze
On the reflectable/blockable sheet there’s some notes on trash mobs crossed out. Like Shoot / Throw Rock not blockable - be careful on raging week, abuse LoS.
Does that mean it’s actually blockable bc the note was striked through?
potent anvil
physical ranged attacks are blockable
steep lily
I thought gigavolt on high tinker was reflectable. Did they change it?
sick sentinel
I find it too funny when the pug raid im leading thinks u can't do opulence on normal with no discord and with 30 people
Also hey, I'm a dark iron for the 3 bosses
sick sentinel
Is it dungeon/raid trinkets or just B's WQ trinkets?
clear quarry
When it comes to reviewing your logs as prot, what are some key things you want to look for, to better yourself as a raid tank?
sick sentinel
Does Deafening Crash stack?
mental scarab
Only dmg not time
daring marlin
@sick sentinel Just their own trinkets.
I want the mastery one.
but higher ilvl
sick sentinel
I'm about to cum seeing that
It's.... beautiful
However
Is that their only trinket?
@clear quarry How often you cast Demo Shout, Shield Block and IP
daring marlin
Nah the other trinket is like a chance to proc vers for 7 seconds
I dun like it
inb4 ring
sick sentinel
Well I had to take a break from the raid to get some sandwiches
daring marlin
sick sentinel
Got to 4/8 normal and against the odds(?) Did it with 30 people and without discord
daring marlin
I got trolled
daring marlin
MAYBE IT HAS A GOOD PPM LET'S FIND OUT
sick sentinel
Yeah ok
All I need now is the wrist, weapon and rings from normal and I'm geared to shit on haste
If I'm lucky, I get the royal haft
daring marlin
hey man this trinket is legit
It's like 40% uptime
Still no on-demand mastery to pair with BoM, though. 😦
shakes fist @oblique garnet
eager imp
Hey, Ele whirl vs blood siphon? Which do you guys think is better?
stone imp
I got the 385 Ritual Feather from the turtle emissary today
having two on use is sad, though.
sick sentinel
@eager imp Blood Siphon
eager imp
Thank you ^^
feral yew
does anyone know how many ppm you can expect from synaptic spark capacitor from the engi helmet?
or is the gizmo generally preferred for tanks?
tulip arch
The add-on I have that lists proc chances says 1.5 ppm before haste
sick sentinel
we generally prefer the gismo
tulip arch
That's for all the engineering abilities
sick sentinel
it is really, really good
feral yew
thats 25% uptime on a 5% dmg reduce on top of all your other stuff oO
sick sentinel
but a haste buff is less CD on SB and more rage spent
more rage spent=CDs come back faster
We do not lack DR
and 1000 haste in nothing to laugh at
Our very own passive gives us more DR with higher ilvl
more rage spent also= faster avatars 😄
Aside from that, I love the conclave fight
sick sentinel
those 2 questions I can't answer and we have to wait for somebody that has tested it 😛
feral yew
luckily i get transformed to dwarf so i got one free bleed removal already on that one
but why not have a second one 😛
tulip arch
Yea from what I see all the traits on that ring are 1.5
feral yew
that would pretty much negate the bleed if it works on it :>
shut summit
Engi helm removes kimbul bleed, yes
sick sentinel
Just about to ask u lol
mental scarab
@shut summit how you feel tanking BoD ?
shut summit
Good, raid is more fun than uldir
mental scarab
magic dmg and aall?
shut summit
Didn't feel threatened at all on heroic week really, will see how it goes on mythic
mental scarab
kk on how many stacks did you guys taunt on rastakhan? from bomsambi
you run druid/war as tank ye?
floral lake
Where can we find trinket comparison for prot warrior ?
shut summit
We just swapped everytime Rastakhan did the fire aoe shit, scorching detonation I think? it's called
mental scarab
okej
lavish oracle
Was hoping for a trinket but this'll do
sick sentinel
that's what fatboss suggests as well iirc
junior ivy
guys i think im comin back
sick sentinel
Pog
shut summit
👌
stone imp
Engineering helm is pretty sweet
trim bay
Does anyone else get low frames on the first 3 bosses. My frames basically get cut in half. So aids
stone imp
I had a situation on opulence where I dropped to like 0 and had to restart wow.
open bluff
i haven't, but bod has been giving a lot of people fps fits
stone imp
Other fights were fine
open bluff
i remember one person on the forums claiming they had a 1080ti and was getting like 5-10 fps on uhh
mekkatorque i think?
stone imp
Could be. I also have that card, so it's clearly some kind of bug
hasty compass
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159633/sharkbaits-fishhook&bonus=1557:4777&spec=73 or https://www.wowhead.com/item=159632/adulation-enforcer&bonus=1547:4777
open bluff
if same ilvl, the second
hushed cobalt
Did a kings 11 last night, and unsure if healer was low ilvl(372) or because the change to difficulties; but I was getting trucked sometimes. I wanna say I was good on SB/ip usage
sick sentinel
For a +11, ur healer was a bit too undergeared
and that's not adding to the difficulty increase as well
hushed cobalt
Guildie druid, who is usually pretty good, but was yelling "what was that you dropped 60%!!"
sick sentinel
That would be bursting/quake
lavish oracle
were you okay on reap soul stacks too? been getting chunked in more than a few 10+ runs because the healer forgot to dispel it
junior ivy
hey is engineering good now too ??!!?!?1
hushed cobalt
We finished and he got a atal 10, so i guess he owes me that
junior ivy
ARE YOU TELLIN ME PROT WARRIORS ARE GOOD AND ENGINEERS ARE GOOD NOW?
NEXT YOULL TELL ME GNOMES GOT A BUFF
i gotta come back
hasty compass
Fishook is 10 ilvl higher than Enforcer
lavish oracle
Engi is pretty good now
hushed cobalt
Reaping packs were fine, altho now that i think about it, big red button when all the reaping are stacked up would be something nifty
sick sentinel
I love these boots, I got a shit ton of haste, and it still has its gold jumping effect even when tmogged
open bluff
@junior ivy the only way to properly buff gnomes is to remove them
north dome
Is bonded souls a good trait for us?
sick sentinel
Eh
north dome
okay fair, thx 😃
primal crypt
@oblique garnet
true plover
What do you guys use to take those screenshots?
errant thorn
ShareX
primal crypt
windows snip tool
honest canopy
I have a 370 toxin spray one now and a 370 jesse holwer
sick sentinel
and crop
primal crypt
snip tool is way easier
sick sentinel
honest canopy
I like snip
open bluff
if you're using snipping tool you can just paste straight into discord
no need to bother with paint
true plover
Screenshot + snippng is all I knew I just wasn't sure if there was a way that combined both methods.
honest canopy
Never the less! The alch trinket. Tried to google it for Prot. Some says its really gucci, some says its decent, some say its complete trash. Idk what to think 😦
primal crypt
I currently use
open bluff
if your trinkets are low ilvl or if you use a truckload of health pots
primal crypt
open bluff
it's decent
bit underwhelming if you have other trinkets in the 380+ range though imo
austere swan
what stats should i be going for
honest canopy
Sstr
primal crypt
ilvl stats
honest canopy
austere swan
im @370
honest canopy
SnipSnip
sick sentinel
Haste if the items are the same lvl
honest canopy
Merkethas is bad tho
sick sentinel
Otherwise always go ilvl
honest canopy
hehe
sick sentinel
lavish oracle
I hit print screen and crop it in paint like a cave man
true plover
So... Good times?
primal crypt
that's vendor trash
true plover
I'll use it for expulsom then.
primal crypt
Lucky ass monkey
true plover
I wasn't really expecting that kind of luck but I'll take it.
Also got that from a random assault supply cache so I'm thinking my RNG luck had been used up for BFA.
sick sentinel
Wait why is it still rare lol
true plover
Not sure lol
blazing condor
how good is Bwonsamdi's bargain (the trinket) ?
true plover
I know all the secret supply cache I have gotten has been Rare quality but titanforges normally turn Epic. Blizz coding at it's finest? Not sure.
lavish oracle
@blazing condor probably okay in raid, bad in everything else
primal crypt
why does it say raidbots on the bottom?
lavish oracle
Looks like it might be last time they simmed?
true plover
Been messing around with the it
It's the imported sim showing from Pawn. Not really useful for too much since I've been told the prot war SimC isn't polished yet.
primal crypt
you're simming prot? 🤔
true plover
I sim all my tanks for them deeps.
lavish oracle
They got the raidbots module up and running, I don't know how good it is
primal crypt
...
open bluff
it's enabled but not accurate
warm plinth
Raidbots has been enabled the whole time; it's just not updated, hence not accurate.
primal crypt
you've been duped
lavish oracle
Has it? the one or two times I tried it, it said "not enabled"
true plover
Right. Raidbots was not working for prot war a few weeks ago.
warm plinth
The whole time meaning this patch; just woke up, sorry. It's still not accurate.
primal crypt
Raidbots has never been "working" for prot
other tanks are fine
just not prot
prot - warrior
and dont use pawn
warm plinth
Blizz creativity: ran out of name ideas after 35 specs
primal crypt
pawn is awful and dead
open bluff
tbf both prot specs have been named that since vanilla
true plover
What's wrong with pawn if you are using your own sim imports? Genuine question.
warm plinth
I know. I was just being sarcastic.
Because the weights input into Pawn are worthless as soon as you change one piece of gear.
true plover
You're right. I use raidbots on all my other classes for the top gear in different settings per drop anyways. I guess I was just used to it pre-raidbots.
true plover
For Prot warrior
open bluff
yes
true plover
I deleted it anyways. It was something I was used to. No point If I'm going to sim every time I get something anyhow.
open bluff
but the problem with pawn is the moment you change one piece of gear you have to sim all over again
at that point you're better off just using top gear sims from raidbots to check stuff in bulk
silk moat
this is ... bad ?
lavish oracle
It's okay, afaik, @silk moat
warm plinth
Looks fine to me lol. Basically more mastery on top of BoM. I'd love to have that
Should line up nice with Ava
true plover
Do we save the Ritual Feather to use w/ avatar or do we use it on CD during combat?
primal crypt
one of the top tier trinkets
warm plinth
It should be lining up pretty close to Avatar anyway; you could probably just bind it to your Ava button
I am thinking of it from an M+ scenario specifically though
silk moat
trinkets are 370-385
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's good, I don't know if I'd put it ahead of knot. maybe like even?
silk moat
ive been using vial + xalzaix
but now I guess feather and diamond?
both of those are 385
warm plinth
I would think it would be better than knot since it's more consistent (mastery vs crit) but you could always give them both a test run and see the difference.
true plover
@warm plinth Right, M+ is what I had in mind.
lavish oracle
I mean yeah, Knot is gonna have a wider variance, that's just the nature of crit, should average pretty close, though
warm plinth
Feather+diamond or feather+eye would both be good. Diamond is a great defensive trinket.
Yeah, you get more crit from knot I think don't you? (meaning more crit from that one than mastery from feather)
lavish oracle
Higher crit for shorter duration
warm plinth
Ah okay
I think I'd put feather over knot because it lasts for more of Avatar, but I would also probably test them to be sure which gave me better performance.
I've always disliked crit if I had an option since it's RNG
true plover
So now I have: Blockades, 370 Rezans, 385 Diamond-Laced, 400Alc trinket, and the 405 Ritual feath w/ socket. Which two would you guys think are best for M+ and raid. or DPS/Surv
lavish oracle
Alch trinket and Ritual Feather for M+
warm plinth
If you need some defense, feather+diamond. Pure damage, alc+feather imo.
true plover
Awesome. I was worried the alc trinket would be useless so soon after crafting it.
Haven't checked the uptime of the buff to be honest.
warm plinth
It's 1ppm so 25% uptime approximately
lavish oracle
I think it's 1 RPPM + haste
true plover
What do you mean + haste?
lavish oracle
The number of procs scales with haste
so if it has 1 base per minute
and you have 20% haste
you'll get ~1.2 procs every minute
true plover
I did not know that. That's good to know. Thank you!
lavish oracle
np
sick sentinel
@open bluff whats wrong with the pawn addon? i use it, but haven't set up custom stat values, wouldn't it be fine if you did?
undone sun
No
true plover
Now that we have raidbots out it's not worth using it. We would just resim to see topgear when a new item drops.
Assuming the class was supported that is.
pine stump
Hey guys. Recently joined here, and have a question, what is the point after which haste gives diminishing returns? I am at 40% haste, should I still keep stacking haste or move to Mastery/Verst?
true plover
Ilv>All and if equal Ilv then it'd just be Haste > Vers > Mast
pine stump
oh yea, I get that. But this is more for RingEnchants + Sockets
vocal nimbus
Afaik sims are somewhat accurate but still have some issues
true plover
Haste all the way
pine stump
aight.
undone sun
right, sims aren't perfect but the point is...
with pawn to maintain accuracy you'll have to resim weights with new gear every time anyways and pawn is just another layer that becomes incredibly unnecessary
it's not recommended to use for anyone anymore
mental terrace
thyme ma boi
undone sun
👋
vocal nimbus
grinding them SF points again
undone sun
🤣
junior ivy
how come i cant add reactions
to what people say
thyme i'm so glad you're back here
but you need to be yellow again
i cant deal with yuo being beige
junior ivy
you gotta be 😦
undone sun
not really up to me though ¯_(ツ)_/¯
broken roost
sorry did someone say prot raidbots is a thing?
undone sun
yesterday
supple path
Man, dragon's charge is just amazing for getting away from the roving bands of dozens of alliance who want free loot.
true plover
@supple path Feels good to dragon charge/heroic leap/charge after the horde warriors. 🙂
slender badge
Is Bwonsamdi's Bargain good? 😃
open bluff
sarcastic answer: if you have to ask, no
real answer: it's good in very specific circumstances that you would have already planned around, and is pretty trash as a general use trinket
iron osprey
It sounds similar to our old friend 
blazing condor
is the haste trinket from tinker worse than rezan eye?
iron osprey
What was our old mates name who uses to come in once a week asking if haft was good @undone sun @junior ivy 🤔🤔
warm plinth
Please stop saying Raidbots works for prot. People understand that to mean that it's accurate, and they can/should use it. It will run but it is NOT ACCURATE and should NOT BE USED until the module is updated on the back end.
true plover
I have the alc trinket right now. Any other professions that have good stuff for us to craft?
open bluff
JC, eng, BS
iron osprey
Engi Goggles feel great all round
open bluff
there are only a handful of specs that don't want/care for engi goggles really
iron osprey
Yeah, that.
open bluff
JC is also another universally strong pick, who doesn't want a 415 socketed ring
supple path
@true plover The full getaway was fear -> dragon's charge -> leap -> charge alliance 25 yards away x2 -> lightfoot potion + dragon charge + leap again -> trinket + spell reflect -> gunshoes -> glider -> dalaran hearth, yeah. Some of them were persistent.
iron osprey
I was tempted to switch to JC once the stupid crit proc trinket from WM titanforges, but I'm also a tight ass and like my two hour flasks
little rain
Just gunna uhhh...leave this here
true plover
I'm definitely staying Alc but not sure if I should take BS or Eng
open bluff
still have alch because i'm a cheap asshole who doesn't want to go through 3 flasks a night
but RNGesus denied me the opportunity to make use of the pants or boots from LW so i just swapped to JC
supple path
That is an envy inspiring trinket.
hushed cobalt
@little rain the bandaids trinket from kings rest gives that amount on use, 1.5m cd
Although the strength 💪
And that trinket+one from mythrax would be a do not die every 2m
supple path
Is there a good resource anywhere for what the various profession bonuses are now? didn't look into at all, currently ench/alch.
sick sentinel
there are no bonuses anymore
warm plinth
The only real bonuses anymore are the extended flask duration and shit from alchemy. At least until 8.1.5 or 8.2; then you'll have some stuff going on for each one.
sick sentinel
small stuff
supple path
I meant like the useful BoEs, etc.
open bluff
the only bonus is double flask duration if you're an alch
supple path
bops rather
warm plinth
And I think blacksmiths and leatherworkers get shit for mounts, but I think anyone can use those
open bluff
LW gets two mounts, both are bop
sick sentinel
engineering gets cr but its kinda shitty
but generaly small stuff that you can ignore
open bluff
as for useful bop gear, your choices are JC, eng, and <armor type prof>
armor crafting professions can make two different 385/400/415 non-azerite pieces, engineering has a helm, JC creates a ring with a guaranteed socket
mellow bridge
Is Bargain worth using? 20 ilvl higher than Rezans and 15 over Jes
mellow bridge
FeelsBadMan
true plover
Is it worth losing BoM to use the engi helm?
supple path
Thanks Avalith, sounds like "too lazy to change professions" still for me.
little hawk
Whats a good Blocked hits % to have?
next stone
should i use multiple Deafening Crash or is 1 necessary?
warm plinth
@little hawk Depends on the encounter
@next stone Depends on what the 2nd one would be competing with
sick sentinel
I personally dislike that elvui
inland mesa
sick sentinel
you can't get multiple of the extends from 2 or 3 dc's
undone sun
stacking dc only adds additional damage
sick sentinel
you want to choose like, iron fortress, or brace for impact or bastion of might or something else good
daring marlin
@little rain I like it.
cinder nova
junior ivy
who said warriors arent beige?
timber vault
next stone
Im currently using Xalzaix's Veiled Eye and darkmoon blockades. should i replace blockades for the new pvp tank trinket and just get huge bubbles when im low?
little hawk
Cause looking at my logs I have a feeling I'm doing something wrong.
vocal nimbus
you should replace blockades with pretty much any high ilvl trinket
warm plinth
Honestly if you get to 25% in PvE, there's other shit going on that probably shouldn't be.
fleet goblet
@warm plinth whats not working for you in simc?
warm plinth
I'm not saying that something is specifically not working for me. I have not seen any news that Raidbots is functional (figured it would have made the pins here if it had) for prot DPS. The last I was aware, the module was not updated on the simc back end, and thus any sims run with the current module would be inaccurate, even with an updated APL.
little hawk
ANyone got tips for Conclave? Guildies dont like me cause I take too much damage apparently
fleet goblet
well it is updating, I'm the one doing it, melekus is doing merges for me, now I'm not saying its 100% accurate cos there's so much to check, but AP calculation is fixed, prot aura is include, DC, Brace, BoM, IF are all checked and functioning, I'm going to look at callous reprisal next
after that I will spend more effort on checking the mitigation numbers
warm plinth
Yeah I remembered seeing that you were working on it, but the last I heard, it wasn't at a stage where people should be relying on it.
If I'm incorrect, I apologize. I assumed an announcement would have been made were it at the stage that we could rely on it.
fleet goblet
i'm never going to say that, I'd prefer someone smarter than me to review it
there's so much stuff to look at
naive panther
Tortollan quest trinket? do we need to be in prot or dps spec or does it matter?
warm plinth
For sure. I'm sure even when it gets to the point where everyone is using it, there will still be work to be done. Rome wasn't built in a day.
naive panther
chance at either strength one?
warm plinth
If it functions like other WQ rewards, it won't matter. Emissaries and assault rewards were recently changed to reflect your loot specialization but basic WQs didn't get that treatment.
naive panther
kk thought so
either way neither looks like a tank specific or heal specific trinket
dim blaze
The tortollan quest can give any spec of warrior both str trinkets
Also there’s 4 rings you can end up with
So 1/3 chance for trinket 2/3 for a ring
sick sentinel
With REmake 2 out, and everyone subscribing to the clenched asshole movement, it'd be great if there was a raid boss Styled similar to Mr.X for WoW
tawny maple
You guys think Vial of Animated Blood or Ritual Feather of Uung Ak is better?
Get more uses of the feather, but Vial has a stronger active I feel cause strength
supple path
My god bursting is just beyond absurd right now - so many packs where it's over 50% of my damage taken.
even when it never stacked over 3
warm plinth
Similar ilevel, I think I'd use feather @tawny maple Lines up better with Avatar and the bonus is more consistent since it doesn't decay. Plus you have a better value when it's on CD since it has str main stat. Just feelycrafting though.
tawny maple
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. You can essentially use it twice and it'll have the same amount value wise. Only thing Im not familar with is how much I value mastery.
I just got volunteered for MT a couple weeks ago so Im still figuring all the theory stuff out still.
warm plinth
Well, mastery is straight AP (which you're already getting from Avatar if you have BoM), and then you also get crit block from it so if you have that trinket + BoM against a blockable boss, it's actually a very strong defensive effect as well.
thin ore
ilvl over all?
open bluff
yes
oblique garnet
from 15 shrine yesterday did atal 14 and got 15 kr just fml
warm plinth
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
What kills you makes you use Bwonsamdi's buff
quartz lake
I got some fire resist bracers off a chest in Tol Dagor. I no longer have a "fire resist" percentage on my character window, obvi. Is there anywhere I can calculate this? I'm wondering if it's going to make a big impact on the Jadefire Masters fight, etc, in the new raid.
sand egret
AFAIK it's basically flavor text
I don't think there are any resistance stats anymore like that
final mist
No, the FR works.
It's just not much, nor meant to be anything.
Just kind of flavor.
warm plinth
Sense was saying it did work, but I can't find any mention of how much it is. I doubt it's significant though.
warm plinth
As long as it says as a "fun" stat, I'm fine with it. Just please don't bring resists back full force lol.
stays*
sand egret
tbh the item itself seems like a "throwback reference" in the stat itself
sick sentinel
somebody tested it
warm plinth
I remember rolling into Mana-Tombs with full shadow resist gear for 1st boss. I don't want that ever again.
sick sentinel
and said it was 1.1% DR
sand egret
ohsnap
warm plinth
Yeah so definitely not game-changing or even worth caring about really. Not going to save anyone's life.
sick sentinel
I just had the funniest freehold btw
the ele shaman would use earth ele on every reaping
and somehow, everything in a 30 yard radius was getting pulled
warm plinth
Oh dear lol
forest abyss
Honestly doing a 12 UR, my eles elemental came in clutch
sick sentinel
yeah, the elemental is pretty good
warm plinth
How thankful were you that reaping adds don't burst 😬
sick sentinel
on the first reaping
we did it on the boss's room
and we pulled the patrol from downstairs+the guys from downstairs that spawn the boss
+a donkey
warm plinth
lolwut
forest abyss
At first I was told reaping was EVERY add you killed from the beginning, with each phase getting more and more until at 100% you had the whole dungeon...I was scared at first
warm plinth
I'm waiting for first explosive week with reaping when we find out they forgot to turn it off on reaping adds for live.
warm plinth
And people said they took out Challenge Mode dungeons. You just have to make your own.
oblique garnet
ill just avoid all those adds
median mauve
For strict M+ dmg as Prot, what are the best choices for traits? Bastion and what?
oblique garnet
they are like by far the most annoying adds in the dungeon
sick sentinel
then pull the ones that are hanging out, drinking beers between the start and the first boss
trigger reaping
oblique garnet
3x BoM 1 Dc 2X iF @median mauve
sick sentinel
then trigger reaping after the first boss before the bridge again
median mauve
Callous Reprisal not better than IF?
oblique garnet
but not better than IF
median mauve
I'm talking for pure tank dps not so much survivability
oblique garnet
again yes
median mauve
Hmm ok, thanks!
oblique garnet
with 3x BoM IF does more damage
sick sentinel
this was mine with 3xBoM, 1 DC, 1CR and 1 BfI
sick sentinel
that was +11 freehold
I actually made the route I have used the last 5 times I did freehold ( all this season)
how do I share it now
I guess
rate my route
oblique garnet
ok first of all
@sick sentinel if you dont pull this pack with eudora you might fuck yourself over
Like she can jump there so you will pull the adds and the boss
sick sentinel
well we end up pulling it sometimes
the routes I make are like kind of vague
I wing it most of the time
oblique garnet
same tbh
sick sentinel
I never had a problem with this pack though
and I have running mplus the whole expac
oblique garnet
if i leave it up 100% of the time eudora jumps into it
I usually do it so the first reaping comes aftet the bridge
sick sentinel
oh so you shroud?
sick sentinel
well if you run with a boomkin and a DH
so you have meta and incarn at start
it is very useful to BL start and abuse those CDs
sick sentinel
we have a rogue most of the time
but when we don't it's fine
the boomkin does the dog this week
and we invis pot to last boss so we are basically loosing to 2 potetional pots, not that big of a deal
potent anvil
i timed a 15 fh without a rogue, ez 👏
oblique garnet
Imo youre pulling alot of unnecessary trash in the beginning
But thats just personal preference
daring marlin
@neon tangle yo
sick sentinel
out of the dungeons I have done this week, freehold was by far the easiest one
oblique garnet
Underrot and wcm were pretty easy too
oblique garnet
Oh and tol dagor is the free key of the season
oblique garnet
Yup
oblique garnet
They are coded as adds tho so might fuck up something
daring marlin
The cannons in TD were a mistake to behin with.
warm plinth
When has that stopped them before 😉
potent anvil
@sick sentinel seems ok to me. just depends how you like to proc reaping imo. i like pulling stuff in the beginning to get it early. makes it awkward for the 2nd reaping though. but its w/e
sick sentinel
I mean, with crackling thunder, you just hit 1 clap and they are all on you and you have always enough space for it
oblique garnet
Which is why i like to get the first reaping after the bridge so the 2nd is when you have cleared all the trash on the arena
sick sentinel
and I always have avatar up for it
potent anvil
I kinda get the first 2 reapings in the first area lol. 3rd, 4th by 2nd boss area and skip/invis and do minimal stuff till ending it with one ravager pack. not sure if its super efficient, but seemed to do fine. im sure there'll be more optimal ways of doing it. i dont mind any of the trash in the beginning of FH as prot.
oblique garnet
I just dont like to be thrown around like a fucking pingpong ball
potent anvil
i avoid pretty much all the crushers and turtle mini boss with reaping this way too cuz they have so much health zzz
sick sentinel
that was the point of leaving the ravager pack last
and when you are thrown to somebody you can intercept them and not take damage or do damage to them
oblique garnet
I get the 3rd reaping around the sharkboss during the event and after that i get to around 93-95% kill first two mobs on the bridge to last and invis pot heroicleap or shroud past those and just kill the pack with ravager after boss
sick sentinel
also you can intercept to a guy in the back
oblique garnet
Im aware of this but especially this week the timing of the throw overlaps with quaking
potent anvil
yeah all 4 reapings in my FH were 2 at first boss, 2 at 2nd boss. then cruise control shark and last boss, do a ravager pack to finish lol.
sick sentinel
also if you back pedal you will not get thrown
and with CR you will still hit them
oblique garnet
If you get the 4th reaping packs around the sharkboss you save some time whilst doing the event
sick sentinel
@potent anvil so basically what I tried to achive, you just did it with different pulls right?
yeah that is the major time loss of my route acutally
I am killing stuff while the pig is going on
and I pull a crusher when he is low to the turtle
but between turtle and boss I just sit for 25 seconds and do nothing lol
I have to find something to do around there
oblique garnet
Thats why you try to get the reaping around there
To not ”waste time”
Next week will be a true test tho
sick sentinel
I just love how we pulled packs during reaping and didn't give a shit
oblique garnet
I can actually see how much time i can shave off my freehold runs
oblique garnet
Rank 8 atm
For sure
Having a blast with reaping
Its harder to get the rank 1 spot now with all the mdi players using prot alts
indigo phoenix
hey bois, and reccomendations for M+ traits?
oblique garnet
3x BoM 1 DC 2x IF
sick sentinel
3BoM, 1DC and 2IF ( or CR)
indigo phoenix
aight thanks
potent anvil
@sick sentinel hmm yeah kind of. i just want reaping waves to be mostly low-ish health mobs so it wipes out fast with just CDs. so in FH i avoided getting reaping with crushers in them
sick sentinel
I had the same thought process and I feel like it works
oblique garnet
Yeah its a good way for sure
I think we could have 2 chested the freehold 14 if the 2nd boss didnt reset and we hadnt fucked up everything
sick sentinel
second boss resetting is a big oof
oblique garnet
Yeah
I think the reset happens if the 2 bosses are too far apart from each other
Thats whats been going on everytime it resets
potent anvil
im still bummed i missed kr+13 by 2 mins. oh well, next week 
sick sentinel
my whole group has shrines :c
oblique garnet
That trash aint too bad
potent anvil
15 KR is doable, its just very annoying with reaping
oblique garnet
Now that the ranged is blockable
oblique garnet
Im worried about zul tbh
potent anvil
depending on what you skip, some reaping waves happen during a pull which is what's annoying with KR
zul wasnt too bad. you get 4 lusts in KR, and the 4th one is usually zul or last boss. i used it on zul
sick sentinel
4 lusts? where do you lust?
potent anvil
you always get 4, unless you're going fast
first on trash for fort, 2nd inside gauntlet room, third on council or bridge trash, 4th on zul or last. at least thats how timings go for the most part
queen valley
Is there a way on logs to check how many times Conclave bosses got Loa's Pact?
Cant seem to find it anywhere
sick sentinel
Check buffs?
queen valley
If only I had thought of that.
undone sun
post logs
warm plinth
Are you talking about Loa's Wrath?
warm plinth
Just checking
warm plinth
He just said he's looking for Loa's PACT, not Wrath
sick sentinel
they get a buff when they are close together?
queen valley
Yeah. Seemed like our tanks were getting destroyed, was just trying to see how many times they got pact
warm plinth
Doesn't look like they got it at all, at least not on that attempt. Skimmed through a few others and didn't see it there either.
sick sentinel
and if you tank swap properly then you don't get it
sick sentinel
the thing is'
gift of wind
is not dispelled immidiatelly
you have 2 mages
they should spell steal that
on the spot
queen valley
Going to make them a WA the ele sham and myself were having to dispell them after the full duration
queen valley
Ya they potatoes
sick sentinel
make a WA for them 🤷
queen valley
I will lol thanks
broken roost
375 howler, 385 vial and 385 knot - thinking knot and howler? Use knot for each avatar and howler for soft defensive?
sick sentinel
you can use howler every other avatar
broken roost
I just got the knot so I had been using howler/vial and alternating so every avatar had one or the other
broken roost
ahh gotcha
sick sentinel
but I am just a DPS in prot spec
broken roost
can't use them at the same time but 20sec avatar- 12 sec howl and 10sec knot
yeah I hearyou
broken roost
all 3 are on use ;'(
also have 380 big red button and 380 sporepods but sporepods felt poopy
broken roost
yeah that's what I've been doing hah
chrome falcon
is stacking overwhelming power bad?
sick sentinel
not at all
chrome falcon
good to know
oblique garnet
All i want is more vampiric speeds for reaping
sick sentinel
I actually had it for a bit
when things start dying
you just blast up to full health
oblique garnet
Its really good on reaping
sick sentinel
reaping is the easiest part of the dungeon most of the time
sick sentinel
shrine yeah true
and motherlode, only the 4rth reaping was bad
the rest were fine imo
sick sentinel
our motherlode was going perfectly well
oblique garnet
Got to *
sick sentinel
we had a laugh though
oblique garnet
Our healer was stoned so we almost missed the timer on 13 xD
He died to the last boss twice
dreamy owl
worthy dagger
seems like engineering got really good for prots
lavish oracle
@dreamy owl I mean, yeah, it's good for survivability
oblique garnet
Its broken
sick sentinel
tbh I should be using the belt shield thingy
or the disorient
or anything really
I just use nitroboots to save money
thin mica
On Jadefire Masters, anyones else having the searing peck from the bird wreck them?
west kayak
Thoughts?
oblique garnet
@west kayak personally i wouldnt change rings for that one
west kayak
k. Just was thinking of swapping the 375 for it since it has a nice amount of Vers.
warm plinth
You could swap it in for the 375, and you wouldn't be wrong. Just an assload of haste that you'd lose which can feel pretty bad from a personal preference standpoint.
west kayak
Yea, I do like my Haste.
sick sentinel
Swap the 375 I would say
And @oblique garnet what do you mean?
The belt enchants?
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel yeah what was the engineering needed for the nitroboots thingy
pearl dew
You used to need ~400 engineering for the nitro boost tinker. Since it's Northrend stuff you only need to level in that category of engineering to get it. I don't think it's far in, either a skill in NR engi of 25 or 50 now. I've had engi since Wrath so I don't know the exact number offhand.
35k absorb on a 10 minute CD isn't worth it. The other two might have some niche use but the nitro boost is more useful imo.
neat lagoon
prisma night
sick sentinel
how is bonded souls for prot?
tight tree
Got 385 Bwomsamdi's Bargain ;/ All hail RNG gods. Useless to me since i am not doing any progress raiding. lesson to me not to be in Prot lootspec.
I need an addon or sth to yeall at me when i am not in arms/fury lootspec
undone sun
tight tree
Yay thanks!
oblique garnet
pogchamp thyme is back?
tight tree
Another question: do i need to be in right loot spec before boss is dead, or can i change before looting?
nova rover
Hey guys, or @shut summit whats the timer Sens is using that is doing the sub like sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkdtMY0hmd4?
oblique garnet
? what do you mean
undone sun
@oblique garnet 👋
oblique garnet
Youre still not playing?
undone sun
correct
oblique garnet
why tho
undone sun
game sucks
undone sun
not really
tight tree
I mean, at what point loot on boss generates for you (based on lootspec): when it dies, or when you loot him? Example. Killed Ghuun with arms lootspec. I want a shield, so can i change lootspec before looting and get a shield or it is locked to arms?
undone sun
pretty sure when it dies
tight tree
That was my impression too but was unsure. Thanks
oblique garnet
i mean thyme atleast reaping is fun af
undone sun
im sure it is
tight tree
And i get it @undone sun, not playing much myself anymore. Game sucks
undone sun
i was definitely getting burnt out long before i made the decision to take an indefinite hiatus, and BFA definitely didn't hlep that
tight tree
Additionally i dropped brewmaster and guild said they don't want warrior so i'm like "ok i quit". Good that they found BM alt in guild that wants tank so they will be fine.
undone sun
then my guild gave me the boot and kick started my break 👏
oblique garnet
your guild was stupid if they didnt want an warrior lul
undone sun
i was a paladin at the time but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
oblique garnet
not you thyme
undone sun
true
vocal elm
https://gyazo.com/7c783c8209187dfe867b774ae3eb2316 Which two should I be using?
oblique garnet
rezan and 410
tight tree
I dont want to prog raiding anyway, but i offered to back them up on warr if they need it, answer was no, so 🤷
tight tree
@oblique garnet I am so fed up with it to be honest. I hate personal loot, i hate 10 fps in combat (on good PC), hate GCD changes (still not used to them lol). I also cba to frm AP, like AT ALL. All in all i think blizzard not treating us (players) well this expansion and bads outweighted goods for me finally.
I only log to PvP basically atm. Good thing about arena, is you only have to do arena to be good at arena.
oblique garnet
Well i guess its different if youre raiding for WF but idk i havent been grinding ap basically at all and im at 39.5
tight tree
Not WF 😉 Well i havent been grinding better than you then, i am at 35 😉
But i was playing 2 characters, both on 35 (monk and warr as backup)
So split effort
oblique garnet
well i guess
i only have 3 other characters at 34 ish
basically just gotten that from doing emissaries and island cap
on my warrior didnt do island cap for like 2 months
tight tree
Ah there is the difference. Not doing islands at all. So boring, cant make myself.
oblique garnet
well yeah it usually involves heavy drinking and then i can do them
or just doing with guildies having banter and the island stretches out to like 15 minutes
most ap ive gained is probably from just doing m+
tight tree
Wish PvP was giving decent AP.
All in all, my mindset is changed kinda. Guild all like "gotta grind, new raid, prog" and i'm like, meh same mechanics, FPS drops, not wanna waste time again. Just burned out.
Awful many of this as of late. Many friends left. Game need like, MASSIVE change to better to get people back.
graceful cobalt
hi got a new helm with bloodritus and shield slam wich trait is better
blood will give me haste and shildslam more block and damage
fast nacelle
I have not seen the strengths of the warrior in the new raid yet. there are again a lot of magic sources of damage. For 8.1.5 only the gcd is better.
daring marlin
@tight tree They have a setting for in raid if you have FPS dips. lol
It's a fallacy to say Warrior tanks are weaker than the others to magic. All tanks are pretty meh against magic in BFA.
except BDK really because their AM actually works with magic damage too.
last loom
warriors are retardedly op in duengons thats enough for me
supple path
Self-healing is equally good vs magic, we're lighter on self-healing
inner cairn
Ignore pain?
daring marlin
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
supple path
Lighter != none
last loom
i literally just respecced prot bought a shield off the auction house and went into a +15 and tanked it with no prior experience tanking
pre patch
hot locust
prot warriors are one of the better tanks for magic damage.
tight tree
@daring marlin I know. I have it all on lowest settings for raid. Still 10 FPS in Uldir fights. PC is decent. If it runs games like witcher 3 without much problems, it is zero excuse not to run dated graphically WoW at 100+ FPS everywhere in my opinion.
fast nacelle
@supple path you Play with Selfhealing in t1?
supple path
What?
daring marlin
@hot locust THANK YOU
supple path
But we're less strong relative to the other tanks on magic than we are on blockable, physical damage, regardless of how strong we are on magic.
daring marlin
@tight tree That's unfortunate, dude. 8.1 should have made your performance better.
supple path
Barring spell reflect scenarios
hot locust
That doesnt matter?
supple path
Sure, it doesn't, but I didn't say it did? just that it's the case
hot locust
We still mitigate more spell damage than other tanks (including healing) in most scenarios
tight tree
Even installed windows 10 for DX12 😉 Improved slightly in the world, but not enough in raids. Some huge drops in new one as well.
it is just horribly optimized.
hot locust
warriors are one of the best tanks for spell damage, period.
tight tree
THey rush things, it is obvious, without them being properly finished
daring marlin
I've argued that for the longest time and I've never understood how people think otherwise.
I feel like they don't play other tanks.
supple path
Because our alts are DKs
mental scarab
We only have IP and SR for magic🥺
daring marlin
and BrM gets fucked by magic
tight tree
So easy to get used to DKs and then all non healing tanks seems like a chore for healers. At least our healers said so.
daring marlin
sounds like your healers are le poopoo my dude
tight tree
Strange for me, because Blood spike like hell
hot locust
What does having a DK alt have to do with a warrior being a good magic damage tank?
supple path
I have seen some really tragic healers in pugs this week.
fast nacelle
Rastakahn for example i use spell Reflect for Hose cast but in the last Phase i dropp down
hot locust
do you think DKs are crazy good against it for some reason?
supple path
When you're dealing in low number of healer scenarios? yeah
inner cairn
Yeah but bursting is shitting all over m+ pugs this week
hot locust
it doesnt make a difference
fast nacelle
Fucking autocorrection, i will say his
hot locust
time to kill is almost the exact same
tight tree
Bursting is DPS affix, they have to tone mongo down 😉 Not hard if they do it
Not a healer issue
inner cairn
Pugs... that is all...
tight tree
Sometimes have to stop thunderclapping (is hard)
I literally screamed at DPS last time STAWP NO PRESS BUTTANS
inner cairn
Nah, thats the easy part, getting the dps to understand that droplets have bursting too however...
daring marlin
That's absurd that they have bursting lol
supple path
you mean eyebeamlets?
tight tree
Thunderclaplets
inner cairn
Its fked
supple path
Wish I had the DH immunity for AEing packs and killing my group.
warriors are just second-rate at it
tight tree
Does not help that 90% of everyone's damage cleaves
supple path
Clicking devastate because there's a MC'd person in range is a crime against warriors
inner cairn
And then boomies with their dots so even when they stop, it wasn't quick enough 😂
tight tree
Welcome to TBC when you tank with SS+devastate only
supple path
TBC *where I was a prot paladin
tight tree
Ah the memories. Shattered Halls packs on warrior. Where boys became men. or died
supple path
we had a lot of boys. I had to run every group in my guild through that zone on my paladin.
4 different warriors who couldn't do it
god I don't miss attunement quests
tight tree
I pretty much secured spot in groups after couple Shattered Halls runs, every time i logged, i was getting whispers to tank this and that. That was before sharding and realm transfers so servers had a community and everyone knew everyone.
neon tangle
@hot locust DKs got a big health pool and the primary AM “mitigates” magic damage
I’d rather have one for magic damage
hot locust
thats great and all
but your comparing what is historically the best magic damage tank here
warriors are really good at it, not 100% of a BDK but way better off than other tank classes.
neon tangle
That’s fair
SR is p good
And all the CDs
Arguably better than DK for big specific magic nukes
My favorite thing this week tho is AMS
It’s so broken that it can prevent bursting getting applied
undone sun
Do you already have a DC
fast nacelle
Is it possible to stack dc?
unborn bloom
You only want one