protection

[oblique garnet]

first boss

bod

[floral tinsel]

bod yeah

[oblique garnet]

also that one has IF aswell

overall i think thats better than the blockades chest

for m+ atleast

[floral tinsel]

blockades chest is amazing

[oblique garnet]

its has OP

but thats about it

[sick sentinel]

I got that on normal yesterday

[floral tinsel]

Overwhelming power and Resounding protection is really really good

not BiS, but as close as you can get

[sick sentinel]

RP is good for dps

[floral tinsel]

if RP was replaced with IP then perfect

[oblique garnet]

moments of glory is better than RP

[floral tinsel]

moments of glory is great yeah

[sick sentinel]

I have never used it

Is it really that good?

[floral tinsel]

kinda hard to compare to RP really

[oblique garnet]

well its extra health and longer rallying

whats not to like

[sick sentinel]

I'm using this for fury and I have RP on it

I am have assigned rallys in some fights though

[floral tinsel]

it prolongs the longer duration of one of warriors best raid utilities.-.... AND while 7.5k HP is nothing for a tank... for DPS/healer at ~150k its closer to 5% of their HP... so giving the entire raid 5% more HP in a crucial period is huge

[summer kestrel]

Nah

If someone were to die without cry the will with cry

Its just a lil airbag

[oblique garnet]

its saved my life many times

and many raiders

[sick sentinel]

Thing is, when it is time is for me to use it, I survive and I am perfectly fine, with warpaint and bt as fury and my higher healthpool as a plate

Everyone else is dying

[oblique garnet]

This is new

[marble cipher]

Prot alt not allowed 😱

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[oblique garnet]

For a kings rest o.O

[sand egret]

prot main...?

[marble cipher]

For bursting 🤔

[sand egret]

how does one even check that....

[sick sentinel]

You can

[oblique garnet]

well kings rest is probably the least affected dungeon with bursting tbh

[marble cipher]

Just depends who you've set as main on rio

[sick sentinel]

Right click, copy raider.io link, go to the page

[marble cipher]

True @oblique garnet

Only blobs

[sick sentinel]

If they have set up their mains in there

You can see

[sand egret]

so really its “prot needs to be our highest r.io”

you*

grrr, *your

[sick sentinel]

No, you manually set up who is your main

[oblique garnet]

i need to do one shrine to get to 1k io :/

[sick sentinel]

But most of the time, your main is the highest

[sand egret]

...so just set that 243 r.io as prot and g2g!

[fickle urchin]

new record low : Doing heroic for tank bag and maybe a tidal. I end up nr 1 on dps, healer is nr 2 on dps.

We had a ret pala, doing 1600 dps, and taunting heart guardians.

with at least 335 ilvl gear.

thats gotta be some kind of record.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah because you 2 were doing it for the runes

The others were doing it for the gear

[fickle urchin]

1600 dps is auto attacks at 335+

[brisk ferry]

ran TD mythic with a shammy that refused to do anything but chain lightning and didn't know what Bloodlust was, he was 377 ilvl

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel what talents do you use as fury?

and enchants

[vast raft]

375 rezans or 385 gore crusted butchers block both with socket ?

[sick sentinel]

2123123

Quick+masterful

@vast raft rezans for raids, gore block for mplus

[vast raft]

cool thank you 😃 @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet you also change warpaint for bounding depending on content

@vast raft what is your other trinket ?

[fickle urchin]

he could just put a haste socket in it, and it would probably be better even in raids

i think, dunno

[vast raft]

395 howler @sick sentinel

but without socket

[sick sentinel]

Crit proc in raids most of the time does nothing, but a rezans proc even if it happens when he is off-tanking, then at least his CDs comes back up

@vast raft oh ok, very good

[fickle urchin]

do we still get extra rage from a white-crit?

[vast raft]

yeah it feels good ... but actually just tanking m+ ... im fury in raids

[sick sentinel]

@fickle urchin wasn't that removed years ago?

Only arms have that

[fickle urchin]

no idea

was just wondering, cause that would be reason to consider a crit proc not worthless in a raid

i dont prot as main

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason knows ALL about parry

[signal plover]

Plz no

Y u do dis

Also no, we don't get extra rage from crits

[sand egret]

wait for it....

[untold salmon]

Question: Anyone else have an issue with Jadefire Masters, spell reflecting the peck adds the debuf to the boss which when it expires nukes the raid?

[uneven mason]

Y U GOTTA BRING THAT UP

[untold salmon]

15 wipes wipes with 2 prot tanks

thats why

[uneven mason]

WHat no I meant the crit thing

[marble cipher]

@untold salmon just stop spell reflecting untill the "bug" is fixed? 🤔

[untold salmon]

thats the plan, we're just looking at logs after the raid

[uneven mason]

@sick sentinel @signal plover I've found a new love, like a true prot warrior
Block

"We'll need to tank swap when your diamond becomes depleted" my shield says "Why?"

[prisma viper]

What does the letters mean? B= blocked, A= absorbed etc?

[hot locust]

yep

[prisma viper]

THe red number is actual damage taken?

[hot locust]

correct red is the damage that actually hits your health bar

R is raw damage of the hit as a whole and M is mitigated amount

[signal plover]

R is raw

Ya

[uneven mason]

Coin sweep no absorb, 31k hit HNGGGGGG

[prisma viper]

Ok, M is mitigated by armor+block+absorb?

[uneven mason]

armor

[hot locust]

it's all of it together

minus absorb

[uneven mason]

well armor and CDs

B is block

[hot locust]

it's block too Mac

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but you still got hit with some 90k melees

[uneven mason]

yeah dude trucks

[hot locust]

mitigated amount includes block and all other DRs, just not absorb.

[uneven mason]

that was the boss being a dancer and walking behind me for a second

I love it when they do that

[sick sentinel]

Oh lol

Yeah it sucks

[uneven mason]

the statues in those hallways

😡

[patent flower]

anyone here really good at breaking down tanking logs and looking at tank performance?

[uneven mason]

#449510248579858432

but some of us are

[patent flower]

oh cool

[uneven mason]

Lala is professional log reader

[patent flower]

Didnt even notice that

Love this discord

[hot locust]

I do read logs a lot v__v

[uneven mason]

indeed

is why you're so well informed

[hot locust]

Usually just keep to myself with it though

[dreamy owl]

wait what bug?

[uneven mason]

wat

someone must be on mobile

responding to something hours ago

[sick sentinel]

Hours ago meaning 14 mins ago?

Spell reflect on jadefire nuking the raid

[dreamy owl]

yes that bug

When it would it happen? I didn't see any issue yesterday on Jadefire

[modern brook]

@uneven mason i fucking called it yesterday

the new Prot meme was going to be oppulence B values

[sick sentinel]

Wtf you really did

I typed "b value" on the search bar and found it lol

[sand egret]

I MADE A CAMEO

[uneven mason]

@modern brook You were right

[sand egret]

speaking of block, new season of M+ means a new season of healers freaking out when I dont move Tree Boi

[sick sentinel]

Amazing

Especially with triple bom

[sand egret]

had a lovely liddle monk cocoon me AT 90%

because he thought I was gonna get destroyed by the crush

[uneven mason]

B VALUE

[sand egret]

damn that does look enticing

[uneven mason]

We're approaching Double forebreaker levels of ridic

[autumn pendant]

Jesus

Prot age

Is back

[sick sentinel]

That's a big ass number

[sand egret]

8.0 anthem :"BLOCK THE ROCK!"
8.1 anthem : "ROCK THE BLOCK!"

[astral crystal]

mactier posted a new meme image

hope we get one for every tier

[hot locust]

@uneven mason https://i.imgur.com/aWwylIs.png

[astral crystal]

jesus

[hot locust]

that is courtesy of Sal

[sick sentinel]

1,2 M damage blocked, still dies

[astral crystal]

yeah git gud

[sand egret]

mac i'm saving that block image

shit is beautiful

[old zephyr]

Don't forget the council in sots

Never kite, live the dream

Dbm yelling ate to run away and I say
No.

[uneven mason]

yeah

Like my guildie who does a lot of M+ blood tanking, getting melee'd by Opulance on one of our pulls

he's like "I don't think we're going to be able to kill him, he hit for 300k

Hi I have 5digit armor, what do you have, 3200 as blood?

[sick sentinel]

standing your ground is SotS is so nice

[old zephyr]

Wait have I been lied to?
Since when is opulence doing Damage ?

[uneven mason]

hitting a DPS for 300k - can't be tanked

wat

[tropic star]

what is stormbound guardian?

[old zephyr]

Oh god mr tank paku has 400% haste...
It melee dude chull

Then kimbul put thé bleed and I go cry in à corner

[marble cipher]

Stonefoooooorm 😜

[uneven mason]

Fireblood

[old zephyr]

I'm LfD Because meme dps sorry

So I let my cotank handle bleed and I take hold of the rest

Paladin cotank on mecatorque "eh boss has 4 stacks can you take him back"
Me 1 minute later "dude he5is reaching 25 stacks soon, I know mechanics are overrated but..."

[thin ore]

for prot palas shield ilvl is super important. does the same apply to warriors?

[hidden oyster]

Hey quick question, is there a point where haste on prot starts going into DRs? i have 33.55% with 5 stack ITF and just got a socket, should i look to get some versa instead?

[old zephyr]

Haste all the way

[silk mortar]

*/

[sick sentinel]

m

[old zephyr]

Unless you can go for the meme 100% mastery with avatar Maybe

[hidden oyster]

dont think so :D

[uneven mason]

stacking item level is best

[old zephyr]

Shield ilvl is indeed King for us as well

[uneven mason]

I mean in general

[hidden oyster]

well the weapon is a 25 ilvl upgrade so im equipping it anyway, but it has a socket so i was just wondering

[uneven mason]

well in that case

haste gives best damage smoothing, vers and mastery are better raw mitigation, crit is very strong but very RNG (so not strong for EHP/Smoothing)

so just use haste

[old zephyr]

In doubt haste

[uneven mason]

unless you're comfortable with your effective SB Uptime

then go mastery for meme blocks

[hidden oyster]

is haste worth sacrificing for ilvl

[simple iris]

Sometimes i get some big really melee hits, idk why

[old zephyr]

Ilvl id King

[simple iris]

already took 100k on trash once on bfd

[old zephyr]

Always go for ilvl

[modern brook]

ilvl>haste>everything

for basically all aspects of prot gearing

[hidden oyster]

seems so weird, coming from the background of being dps for multiple years and gearing being such a clusterfuck

[old zephyr]

Maybe à socket on a ring can be traded for à bit of ilvl.
But as soon as there is STR and armor to get go for ilvl

[modern brook]

eh

If you have to ask

[hidden oyster]

well its a ring so theres no main stat

[modern brook]

Chances are you should just stick to ilvl>haste>everything

obvs there are exceptions

[old zephyr]

Don't turn your back to things

[olive moss]

stack 2 IF or 2 Deafening crash?

[modern brook]

but its a strong rule that will get you 90% there

[uneven mason]

1DC then as many BFI/IF as you can get

[old zephyr]

You can't Block nor benefit from Shield armor if you are hit from behins

[uneven mason]

except for M+ you want 3x BoM 1DC and then 2xIF

[old zephyr]

What gear would give that Mac ?

[uneven mason]

@simple iris Warriors have the wonderful ability to block, we also have this gaping vunerability that if we get hit in the back we lose our shield mitigation

so yeah, Opulence hit me for 90k because he stepped behind me

[hidden oyster]

the two rings on the right I have equipped, "Overseers Lost Seal" just dropped and I was just wondering if its better b/c theres no haste and no str

[uneven mason]

I also took 31k from his tank buster, cause shield~

[sand egret]

mobs in 8.1 i think had an update to their relative targeting

[uneven mason]

use the 385/380

[sand egret]

they've been acting mega weird lately

[uneven mason]

Nah Blade

Mythrax was doing this shit to me at the start of Uldir

slapping me in the back when I was in front of him

[sand egret]

i've never seen mobs do some of this shit i've seen this week

[uneven mason]

mm I think its a disconnect between model size (what we see) and the actual skeleton scale (what the server sees)

[olive moss]

So for M+ rn I'm 1DC 2 BoM 2IF and 1 CR. Pretty alright?

[sand egret]

bosses have always had that issue, but it's expanded to mobs without large hitboxes

like screamers in AD kinda shit

tbh Mac, I don't think it has to do with the skely. I think it's an update to collision math they put in to lower overall latency

[olive moss]

lingering spores385/gore-crusted block385/veiled eye395/vial390/refracting prism390
What two trinkets would you use for M+?

[sand egret]

but either way, little buggers be backstabbing me now =/

[olive moss]

Sorry for all the gear questions switching over from fury

[sand egret]

hmm that's a nice suite of trinkets!

i'd prob go vial/prism myself

[olive moss]

I know its too many decisions tbh

[uneven mason]

@olive moss Vial and Refracting

there are points were you could use the veiled eye as another CD

if you know there is magic heavy pulls in that dungeon

[hot locust]

I wouldn't go vial

[uneven mason]

its basically a 50% DR CD vs magic that autofires

[hot locust]

it's horrible

[sand egret]

esp early in the season where stuff is going to hit a little harder

[uneven mason]

Vial big damage CD

[hot locust]

Much rather run gore-crusted

[sand egret]

vial is mast + on use str rigght?

[hot locust]

it doesn't line up well with avatar at all

[uneven mason]

yeah

Lala has a point

[sand egret]

what's the cd?

[sick sentinel]

1,5 mins

[hot locust]

1 min 45 seconds

[sand egret]

I retract my point

[sick sentinel]

oh rip

yeah, gore ftw

[sand egret]

I'm with Lala on this one

[uneven mason]

its pretty desync'd

[hot locust]

but yeah I'd run gore/prism or gore/veiled eye

[old zephyr]

On use are almost never synced Ith avatar

[sand egret]

my Knot is pretty close

[hot locust]

Knot is hella good for it

[sick sentinel]

jes and knot are quite synched

[sand egret]

Jes 👀

(not a bad trinket, I just meme it cuz i hate the cd)

[simple iris]

isn't prism bad for m+? i mean, we dont have much time between pulls to stack absorb

[uneven mason]

its free EHP

[sand egret]

AFAIK the "tick" rate is affected by haste

so it's actually not much time to get stacks

[uneven mason]

same reason why blockades was good

[sand egret]

and even not, it's basically IV

[uneven mason]

passive free health

[sand egret]

or blockades

[simple iris]

hmm

[uneven mason]

and yeha ticks are spedby haste

prior to that it was "meh"

[sand egret]

I was always into it, that was iciing on the cake. I've got a thing for shields with Prot

[modern brook]

vial is dope :^(

outside of raids

[sand egret]

but I really need to see if DLRP follows the Resounding Protection rules or the On-Use rules

in terms of absorb hierarchy

someone be my test subject!

[modern brook]

dlrp?

[sick sentinel]

what do you need?

[sand egret]

Diamond Laced Refracting Prism

so from my tests I've observed something interesting

[thin ore]

I heard bastion of might is pretty gucci for m+. From what I understand it is only good because of the IP activate, not the mastery. Hence you only want bastion of might once for m+ or do you want multiples?

[sand egret]

Shields behave in two distinct ways (RP and "On-Use") in terms of when IP is applied. Specifically, Resound Protection ALWAYS eats the full damage before IP kicks in (but after mitigation). However, using a trinket (i tested with Bandages) applies IP first then the 50% goes into the absorb (you can see both IP and the shield decreasing, while with RP the IP shield remains untouched until RP is depleted)

@sick sentinel

note: this was tested with both applying IP first and after the On-Use to test if order of buffs mattered.

so i'm curious since DLRP functions in a similar manner to RP, (being "always on") does it apply that way or not

[marble cipher]

@thin ore BoM in M+ is mainly for the dps value of it. So yes, stack it

[sand egret]

ehhh

[marble cipher]

The IP you get from it is nice though, and crit block

[sand egret]

mastery is stronger in M+ also due to the increased amount of melees

turning BoM into a defensive CD when you're Crit blocking at upwards to 60+%

[marble cipher]

^

[sand egret]

I go from 28% crit block to 64% with 3x BoM

for reference

[broken roost]

If I'm using Vial / Jes (I know, two use trinks), would I be better off just using them a lot or saving one for each Avatar?

[uneven mason]

BoM has a large defensive value as well

so its all around an amazing trait

I'd stack them during avatar for damage, I mean, you can also use them defensively

[sand egret]

well it's not like you can get one without the other anyway

[uneven mason]

str from vial is a sizeable chunk of armor and IP Boost (3.5* the str)

[sand egret]

when I used Jes', that shit didn't line up well with anything so I considered it more as a soft-defensive cooldown

[broken roost]

So missing out on a few uses throughout a dung should be less than the boost I'd get from using with Avatar? Assuming a dps-only mindset

[sick sentinel]

blade I was here ( Pog) when you did those tests

[sand egret]

ok, im about to date/display my own ignorance....but a "Pog" to me is a a small disc I used to collect and hustle kids with in the schoolyard......

[keen spire]

Blade

Homeboy

do you not know what Pog means?

poggers?

PogChamp?

[sand egret]

newp

[keen spire]

Me neither dude.

Me neither.

Someone told me it was P.O.G. for Play of the game

[sand egret]

I see it all the time, but I just keep thinking about that one time I straight up swindled this kid out of his whole stack with one epic throw of my Slammer

[keen spire]

but like.. it doesn't make sense in a lot of contexts

[sand egret]

I was the Pogchamp then

[keen spire]

hahahaha

[sand egret]

but yeah, PotG is play of the game to me

[keen spire]

I think it's more meant to express like "Fuck yeah this was dope"

and sometimes it's used ironically

[sand egret]

that's what i'm thinkin'. I asked some of the younger kids in my office....turns out not as many people know as you'd think....

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

pogchamp is a twitch emote

[runic fractal]

pog is for something that is amazing

like wow thats fking pog

[uneven mason]

its means you're hypervenalating and bugeyeed excited

or just 12

[modern brook]

^

[uneven mason]

(like most people in twitch chat)

[modern brook]

It means u watch twitch for twitch caht

[keen spire]

TIL

[runic fractal]

twitch chat is what makes twitch great

[keen spire]

I like Blade's pog better than Twitch's pog

[sand egret]

yeah....Imma stick with my Pog

[young harbor]

og pog

[sand egret]

and the old school "wow!"

just not hip with it anymore 😦

[keen spire]

I prefer the "Holy shit" era

where I replace "shit" with random things

"Holy toast!"

"Holy balls!"

[sand egret]

well i'm also from Boston, so "wicked" was a popular one growing up

[keen spire]

"Holy canteens!"

You get the idea

[sand egret]

"holy crap" was the "i'm edgy but if my mom hears I won't get my ass beat" term

[keen spire]

wtf

why is everyone in wow from boston

[sand egret]

so far i've just met me

😄

[keen spire]

O_O

[uneven mason]

I'm from Chicago 🤔

[keen spire]

dude literally 14 people in my guild are from Boston

[uneven mason]

where we understand "lines"

[sand egret]

smaht guild

[keen spire]

LOL

[uneven mason]

Driving in boston is like trying to not puke from all the left circles

"ROADS SHOULD BE STRAIGHT? PFFT, We do things our own way"

[sand egret]

there is no driving in boston......

it's vehicular survival

[night halo]

Last time I was in Boston I took a taxi and he went down a one way road the opposite way

[sand egret]

sounds about right

[night halo]

even the people who live there don't know how to drive in it

[sand egret]

I mean we do...that's just how we do it 😃

cuz I ain't spending 10 minutes when i can just cut down that shit

[night halo]

I mean I didn't die so I suppose everything worked out

[sand egret]

yup!

[primal crypt]

Dont forget to get your water strider mount this week

I forgot to tell you guys on tuesday

The azure one

[keen spire]

how do you get that mount?

Yam, show me the way

[primal crypt]

I posted it in off topic

didn't want to post it here

But ez water strider mount

only this week

[sand egret]

tldr: do TW quest on all alts > Mail to one char > funnel tokens to Revered > Buy revered item from the Angler vendor increasing rep gains by 100% > finish

[solemn kelp]

Any hints on knowing when to swap Grong's bites/smashes?

[astral geyser]

He does 3 abilities so swap if he does one for a 2nd time. Had pulls where he's done all 3 same attack but first tank should be able to take that again.

[stark sage]

our tank was afraid of the 3x combo, made one of our dps plates taunt to take the 3rd one

seemed to work out

[signal plover]

The smash?

Debuff is only 2.5 secs

So 1st tank can take 3rd smash np

[solemn kelp]

Oh it's 3? I thought 4 for some reason

[signal plover]

The 4th is the throw

[solemn kelp]

ah right

[signal plover]

On heroic

[solemn kelp]

All right, thanks a lot

So, really, only need to worry if 1st ability is a smash

cos it might need two taunts during the combo

[uneven mason]

Warriors can take 2 smash

back to back

its not fun

[signal plover]

Well yeah but u wanna taunt for the throw

[uneven mason]

but we can.

Also

SPam intercept at your co-tank when you get picked up

you'll negate the raid damage from the throw

[signal plover]

Oooo

[uneven mason]

just make sure you're topped off because you'll take the next melee hit

you literally just land on your co-tank

want to make sure block (and turn around)

for the melee

but other than that throw is nature damage

spell reflect works great.

[signal plover]

U sure the raid dmg is negated?

[uneven mason]

it hits where you land

you land on your tank

I mean its lessened

[signal plover]

That's probably more to your melee then

[uneven mason]

eh

the way we were spread I'd rather smack my melee

than my healers

force my healers to move rather

[signal plover]

Just the throw target should move tho

Good to know tho I'll give it a try

[uneven mason]

no one has to move

😛

if you intercept the co tank

they just better have AM up

😛

I died once doing it because his melee hit me in the back

so gotta be swift on that camera spin

and be spamming SR with it

[signal plover]

It'd be spicy with a bleed too

Idk if worth tbh

[uneven mason]

wats bleed precious?

[signal plover]

But no need for cotank to be near someone else for fear at least

[uneven mason]

wats bleeds?

[signal plover]

Pssh I blast that shit on pull for deeps

[uneven mason]

TBH I do too

I just call for a monk burble when I Have 2 stacks of bleed and get picked up

I sit on my racial during conclave

cause can eat that one

Oh, Paw, you still need someone to baby sit the co tank because there is one overlap he fears while your in his hand

I think its on the 4th combo

[signal plover]

Ok so the advantage is like minimal :)

But there's a meme there I can feel it

[uneven mason]

I mean

the meme is warriors can probably solo tank Grong

just need a melee DPS who can "defensive" occasionally

Oh hrm

I can charge to monk serpents

I can probably intervene that

[last glen]

What if you get spammed with triple smash’s?

[uneven mason]

negate the kaboom

Thats why you have the defensive melee

they can taunt if its a 3x Smash

[last glen]

You can do multiple 2x smash without shield wall each time?

[uneven mason]

Just call for an external

any of them will do more than likely

[last glen]

Ahh, so this is just a General strat. Not a warrior thing.

Although spell reflect for the throw is solid. Always up.

[uneven mason]

well no, only warriors can guarantee a block

no other class can reduce the physical damage on demand as much as we can

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/538373945896992778/unknown.png
Gonna get a lot of miles out of this one I think.

Negating tank swaps seems to be a thing warriors can do in HC thus far.

literally tanked the last 30seconds of Opulence without a diamond shield up

since my co tank died

I mean, solo tanking Grong isn't logical

in any stretch of the imagination

but I think we could do it.

going to ask to try it on normal

[naive panther]

yeah you don't need that diamond shield crap

[oblique garnet]

You cant

Solo tank grong

On hc the 2nd smash does 400k ish

[naive panther]

I held opulence hte majority of the time as vengeance, it's a weak boss

[tropic star]

the triple smash is not doable

double is doable with wall

but cant guaruntee wall each time he does it

[naive panther]

granted on normal i solod boss on opulence on warrior.. but either one is no big deal

I don't think we ever got a triple smash

[tropic star]

2nd smash hit me for 350k each time so you have to have last stand and external or block and wall

[naive panther]

yeah that sounds rough

[tropic star]

third is just GG

[naive panther]

we never bothered to see it

just taunted on second

[tropic star]

350k was what i took through block and IP

i only found out because we didnt realize triple was a thing

so i taunted at first and then took two in a row

[uneven mason]

If only we had Neltharion's Fury

[tropic star]

too true

back to the glory days o 'what fel claws';

and double agrammar smash

oh wait the only 2 fights in all of elgion where our artifact was useful

nevermind the glroy days bit

i guess high scyth on argus

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason if it makes you feel any better I did HC w/ double DK

one of which was 375

and died

[uneven mason]

BDK vs physical damage bosses +++

[neon tangle]

so we finished most fights cycling through pallies taunt+bubbling

it was funny

[uneven mason]

mmhmmm

[unborn bloom]

My guild did double bdk most fights it was stupid because we didn’t have any mitigation for anything I’m switching from ally to horde

[uneven mason]

I had one of our swap tanks shit talking during pulls on Opulence about "Well I could probably tank the add guy without needing heals"

I had to introduce him to the concept that this thing hits for 200k raw, and he has 1/3 the armor I do

[weak pebble]

I know this might be a stupid question but I haven't seen much from the 8.1 notes or the IV guide. I've been looking to potentially start tanking again on my warrior for M+. I suddenly saw that their popularity skyrocketed with 8.1. Is there a reason why?

[uneven mason]

Because people suddenly realized that warriors are not bad?

[weak pebble]

Fair enough

[uneven mason]

We're probably on the verge of being Overpowered

[weak pebble]

I haven't tanked on my warrior this expansion so I don't have a leg to stand on

[uneven mason]

at this point

Like in general vs blockable damage we've never been weak

[weak pebble]

So I can't exactly say it was shit pre 8.0, just never saw many before

[uneven mason]

and generally lead on fights where block comes into play

our issue pre 8.1 was that we were extremely punishing

if you fucked up as a warrior tank

you died

if you didn't fuck up, you were a brick house

[weak pebble]

What changed in 8.1? I didn't see anything major

[uneven mason]

8.1 slimmed the window where we're outside of our AM

and improved our raw EHP

(HP/Armor boost)

[neon tangle]

@unborn bloom Eh, it's a pretty magic heavy raid

[uneven mason]

we're little less punishing outside of our AM/mistakes

and that little bit made the difference

[weak pebble]

Any must have azerite changes?

[uneven mason]

we're still not BrM level autopilot

nah, DCx1 - stack BFI/IF

[unborn bloom]

Yup I had so many people say warriors were shit until me and some others proved everyone wrong and then most of frostmourne was asking where are the warrior tanks no other tank was asked for mythic plus

[uneven mason]

for raiding

in M+ you want 3xBoM, 1xDC, then IF

I mean, warriors issues in Mythic plus were not really addressed at all

its 100% Utility based

we still don't have good utility for M+

rather, cheese utility

[tropic star]

👢 🍵 👏 is out utility

our*

[uneven mason]

BDK is the go to tank because they bring a full box of tricks that are helpful

Paladin, Monk and VDH each have a solid toolkit as well

Warriors are bricks that smasah shit

and we do it amazingly well

[weak pebble]

Our VDH is getting crushed in 8.1

Not sure why

[uneven mason]

properly played a warrior will crush the damage meters

VDH is a weak tank

[weak pebble]

We were crushing 15s, but now he's getting trucked in 10s

[uneven mason]

he's gotta kite more

VDH has always been a paper tank

[tropic star]

any general strats for reaping. Did one and got deleted by all the casters. Too many to interrupt all of them and not grouped enough to stun. Gotta get threat so i cant kite immediately. One SR and then im roasted

[weak pebble]

So I might go Prot and he goes Havoc

You don't need to interrupt all of them

[uneven mason]

their strength in M+ was 100% of being able to mimic some stuff that BDKs can do

[tropic star]

well this week is a shitty affix

[uneven mason]

and being able to kite like motherfucking Urain Bolt

[weak pebble]

Bursting just sucks

[tropic star]

bursting got buffed and does %health, quaking does %health

[weak pebble]

You just need to time it properly

But Reaping itself imo is ridiculously simple

Just avoid circles on ground

kill everything

[tropic star]

tanks are all getting trucked this week if there are mixes of small and big adds going down

[uneven mason]

All in all, bad week to be a VDH

high health pool means they require a lot of babysitting

[neon tangle]

FWIW BDK is pretty absent from the leaderboards right now

it's a sea of monks

and warriors

[weak pebble]

Which makes sense for a Fort week

[uneven mason]

Monks, low healht pool combined with bonus healing and autoplilot AM

[weak pebble]

with the Bonestorm nerf

[uneven mason]

well its mostly bursting and quaking

they're not wrong

the high HP Pool tanks

suck to heal

on % Damage weeks

[weak pebble]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

Monks are big mojo this week

[weak pebble]

Yes

Because you can talent into stagger going into magic mitigation

which bursting is

[uneven mason]

well they also have lower HP

than other tanks

and bonus external healing

thus are much easier to keep alive through % Ticks

[weak pebble]

Also it's a little early to make any judgement

Considering there's not a ton of prominent BDKs in M+ NA

It's sttill fairly high BDK wise at 15+

[uneven mason]

yeah

geared BDKs

[neon tangle]

We'll have to see how it shakes out

[uneven mason]

they're not gonna drop their 390+ mains already

[weak pebble]

This is also a shitty weke

Next week is going to be a better sense

[neon tangle]

I'm betting on monk/DK for topping the leaderboards during friendly weeks

[weak pebble]

of how it's going to play out

[uneven mason]

BDK still maintains the best toolkit

[weak pebble]

plus the tuning run that comes out on Tuesday

But next week is push week

So that will be very telling

[uneven mason]

outside of M+ I'd say tanks are fairly well balanced

except for VDH

[weak pebble]

VDH is pretty bad in both

[uneven mason]

which just seems to be getting shit on

[weak pebble]

But yeah, otherwise I agree about raid

[neon tangle]

Even in m+ I think they're gonna be fairly well balanced this season, just with warriors on certain weeks, bdk/monk on others

[weak pebble]

I'm not making any final decisions until I see what happens Tuesday

But right now gearing is crazy easy because 5s give 385

I've got 14 chars to 380 now

But my warrior is my vanilla main so I like to play him. Just arms is a snoozefest

[neon tangle]

At the end of last season warriors would top the leaderboards during weeks that were "slower" you were forced to pull less (explosive and friends)

BDK/Monk had the leaderboards for more mass-pull friendly weeks where any class would have to kite

[weak pebble]

Well BDK can't really pull off the same mass pulls anymore with the BS nerf

[naive panther]

yeah i miss prenerf BDK

[cloud hound]

is there a spreadsheet

with reflectable

[naive panther]

I'm going to miss prenerf warrior too.....

[cloud hound]

and blockable attacks for BoD?

[naive panther]

people are crying, and need to stfu

[final mist]

@cloud hound In #268491842637660160, yes

[cloud hound]

thanks

[oblique garnet]

Pugging 10s seem alot easier than with infested🤔

[sand egret]

seems the opposite to me tbh

(so far)

[lavish oracle]

I think warriors are the better mass pull tanks as long as there aren't too many casters

Having a rough time timing 10s with PUGs, think its just the bursting buff mostly, though

Reapings are mostly fine

[signal plover]

Kinda a rough week to transition on but doable

[charred egret]

is there any cap about blocking guys

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, just really rough on healers when DPS don't know how to hold dps to avoid getting stacks

[charred egret]

someone was talking about it in Lepan's chat

but i dont understand

what they mean

[lavish oracle]

like an ICD on blocks?

I don't think so?

Pretty sure I woulda noticed

[charred egret]

i guess they was talking about amount of block

[lavish oracle]

the max mitigation you can get from a single block is 80% if that's what you mean

[charred egret]

but i saw the end of conversation

probably this one

what it is

[lavish oracle]

So for example, I block 47% of damage from an attack with a normal block

if I crit block I would block twice that but it's capped to 80%

so instead of blocking 94% or whatever, I block 80% when I crit block

[charred egret]

this one we talked about?

[lavish oracle]

Yep

[uneven mason]

858%*

erm 85%

[lavish oracle]

Oh, 85% my bad

[uneven mason]

is mitigation cap

keep in mind, K value is higher in higher content

[signal plover]

858% hot damn

[lavish oracle]

Blocks literally heal

[uneven mason]

so the tooltip shows vs a target of your level

LEGION BLOCKING F

[charred egret]

are you guys keeping your mastery on a decent value for high keys

or going haste as soon as possible

[lavish oracle]

Haste and mastery are both very strong in dungeons

[uneven mason]

I wear whatever is highest ilvl

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, ilvl is what matters most

[charred egret]

usually i am doing it but this is a farm week

so i can focus a "dream stats"

[lavish oracle]

I like to focus haste because it feels the best to play

[sick sentinel]

Just go big dick crit

[charred egret]

i have 1473 raw haste

595 mastery

415 versa

793 crit

on 389 equip

[oblique garnet]

crit probably outshines mastery in m+

assuming you run 3x bom anyways

[sick sentinel]

I feel the opposite, mastery>crit with 3 BoM

Get more AP, get more block chance, get more ap

They do compliment each other regardless

[oblique garnet]

yeah but dem parries tho

[steady fiber]

Hi all, they just buffed the ilvl drops from m+ only or they made m+ keys harder to ?

[oblique garnet]

like 3x BoM gives so much defensive value

yes

[sick sentinel]

^

To both

For reference, 385 is a +5

400 is +10

[uneven mason]

all the ilvl drops got bumped 30 ilvls Pkownzs

is the easiest way to put it

[charred egret]

but just for this week +5 or +10 does not matter gives 385

[uneven mason]

right

[oblique garnet]

^

[uneven mason]

TFW You could farm +5s

[lavish oracle]

Still matters for TR, right?

[uneven mason]

except all of your gear is 390

[charred egret]

next week it will scale normally and +10 will gives 400

[uneven mason]

anyway

[oblique garnet]

Fuck farming 5s just farm 10s

[sick sentinel]

Why

[lavish oracle]

Reaping is fun af

[sick sentinel]

Stop being silly

[oblique garnet]

no

[sick sentinel]

U silly bitch

[oblique garnet]

it legit is the most fun ive had in long time

[sick sentinel]

How's reaping

[oblique garnet]

amazing

[sick sentinel]

Does it cower before the face of the BoM gods

[oblique garnet]

well considering i out dpsed 2 dhs running fel barrage

so yeah

and i only have 2x bom

[sick sentinel]

Damn

I need the new 385s

I want to run the meme build

Every prot traitx1

[uneven mason]

not really a meme build

since we don't have really bad traits

just one that requires babysitting

(the revenge one)

first thing I did when I logged on tuesday was buy 3 385s for the stam boost and 5th ring

[steady fiber]

what ilvl need to close 10 ?:D

bcs atm thinking what ilvl what +m need, atm 375 ilvl

[mental terrace]

370 is fine with good damagedealers and healer

[uneven mason]

10 is pretty messy this week

[stark sage]

375 is risking it for pugs

[steady fiber]

but i should farm low lvl keys for gear or what then ?

[uneven mason]

bursting is meansauce now that they've "fixed" it

back to its legion value

farm 5s this week

they drop 385 gear

its perfect for you

[steady fiber]

ok and traits then, where to farm azerite ?

if i get m++ dnt drop same like weekly chest

then raid?

[sick sentinel]

If u want the "BiS" M+ azeite it comes from the raid

Specifically two pieces only

Ud still need to farm TR for either the specific helm or try ur rng with the rng helm

And by from the raid, I mean the ease of access to get them

[marble cipher]

@sick sentinel which pieces if I may ask?

Sea swell and jade helm?

[sick sentinel]

The m+ helm?

[marble cipher]

You said from raid, specifically two pieces

It I misunderstood 😜

[keen spire]

wait wtf

Mac

Where'd you buy 385's

[marble cipher]

From residuum vendor

[keen spire]

doesn't he have 400 gear?

or 415's or something

[marble cipher]

Also

[keen spire]

the fuck

[marble cipher]

But also 385

[keen spire]

How much is a 385?

[marble cipher]

165 for random iirc

[sick sentinel]

The pieces are the shoulders with bom/DC and same with the chest

Can't find the names ATM, at work

[marble cipher]

Two DC isn't good though?

[keen spire]

165.. damn.. that's a lot of M0's

lol

[sick sentinel]

For Max m+ DPS u go 3 DC/bom

[marble cipher]

I'd much rather have 3 BoM and some IF in there

[sick sentinel]

But because only 2 piece in the raid drop gear with both, those are the ones to go for

[marble cipher]

But, yeah, multiple DC should work purely for dps

[sick sentinel]

If u want to go that setup

help pls

also this

[uneven mason]

Loa and Commander's

y is even question

[sick sentinel]

4.7% avoidance Pog

[sand egret]

you're a pog

[marble cipher]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=165550/breastplate-of-divine-purification
https://www.wowhead.com/item=165557/sea-swell-chestplate
Which one would you guys prefer? I have to make a "prio" list for azerite "hand-outs", and I'm a bit torn between those two

[queen valley]

Is there a trait ranking list somewhere around here? I see icy veins but they only have 5 or 6 traits.

[uneven mason]

literally depends what other traits you have Shinigami and what content

M+?

Raiding?

[queen valley]

Well is Shadow of elune worth NEVER taking?

Doing raiding and M+

[uneven mason]

Sea Swell is the better of those 2 overall

when you take into account all the tiers

[queen valley]

Its either Elune or BoM

But I saw BoM is lower for raiding

[marble cipher]

Well, I would have to prio for raid progress, but I'd prefer to have an allround and was leaning for sea-swell yeah

[uneven mason]

BoM/DC/Crystal(or OP)/Resounding

BoM is strong

its just not as strong as it is for M+

[marble cipher]

And if I'd have DC already, is Bonded Souls any good?

For now I'm running DC on engi helm

[brisk ferry]

if you already have a piece DC on it, Divine Purification has IF at least

[marble cipher]

yeah, but that next ring is a bit meh

on that one

Strength in Numbers for M+ I guess, but, all three options there are a bit bad

Also, for trinkets in the raid, I'm only eyeing prism, is the Engine thingie (haste rampup) good? It's haste, so, I suppose

[uneven mason]

@marble cipher just swap the helm to BS

BS is NOT bad

[marble cipher]

Hm, true

[uneven mason]

its actually pretty strong with IP off the GCD

[reef fulcrum]

I got the Kraken Shell Pauldrons but I'm unsure which traits I should take. Haven't done the math

[uneven mason]

situationally stronger than BFI or IF (when you can't block)

[marble cipher]

which is often the most painful moments (magic)

[reef fulcrum]

Icy veins guide doesn't show new traits I think

[marble cipher]

good thinking 😉

[uneven mason]

@reef fulcrum Do you have DC On another piece

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

[uneven mason]

gram Scheming

grab*

so BFI/Scheming (for raiding)

[reef fulcrum]

Wait no, sorry

I was referring to the Rastakhan chest

Or shoulders, I don't remember

I can't see it on the armory

[uneven mason]

I'm so confused as to how we're still 2nd highest death tank

I was trying to die during some wipes last night and literally took over 15seconds with no healer to fall dead.

[broken moon]

what would you guys think i should focus on in regards to raid prog for traits? ive look at the pins and just asking for preference

[vocal nimbus]

do reaping mobs keep the same threat or does it reset?

@oblique garnet

[uneven mason]

1DC - as many BFI/IF as you can, take BS if you can't get BFI/IF @broken moon

[shut summit]

they come in with 0 threat

[inland mesa]

Their threat is really fucking weird, none of my threat add ins work and sometimes they just seem to have it out for someone and won't peel off

[shut summit]

when they spawn

[broken moon]

so crown of bloody succession is bis?

[sand egret]

if only they kept threat haha

[uneven mason]

none of the raid drop Azerite pieces are bad.

[shut summit]

the casters always cast on random targets so you dont really need to worry about them

threatwise

[sand egret]

oh that explains a lot....

[uneven mason]

This week is shit for reaping because healers are still trucking away after the trigger due to Bursting

[sand egret]

like....a lot haha

[uneven mason]

so when they get inside their aggro range

your healer is going to be up on their hate list

[shut summit]

yes

[uneven mason]

advice is

[sand egret]

yeah, i've found finding a place to LoS and funnel them is key

[sick sentinel]

the reapers hit like noodles

[uneven mason]

stop at 19.* %

[sick sentinel]

hi, im an ilevel 342 fury warrior and im thinking of switching to prot do any of you have any advice for doing this?

[shut summit]

crackling thunder helps bunch for pickin them up

[uneven mason]

and CC 1 mob off

let the big Bursting stack finish

then just deal with the 1 stack as the reapers come in

[open field]

Guys if I have BoM and use Avatar and I have Bloodsport does the Ignore Pain from Avatar get leech rating and the extra absorb?

[uneven mason]

yes

BoM literally CASTS IP

[sand egret]

@sick sentinel my best advice is to utilize this first week to gear as much as you can WQ etc. that should get you up into the ~370 range where you can start getting into M+

[open field]

Ok i thought so just wanted to make sure

[sick sentinel]

@sand egret are the mechaincs hard for prot warriors or what are the best ways to get better at the spec

[sand egret]

honestly, practice heh

it's not too hard and the guides we have in the pins in this channel and guide channel will give you a lot of excellent advice

they're written by the mods here. 😄

[uneven mason]

@sick sentinel read the guides in the pins, run Mythic 0s (drpos 370 gear)

actually at 342

Do time walking

it all scales

so it removes the gear barrier

[sand egret]

yeah Timewalking (grab the quest) will give you upt to 365

[uneven mason]

while giving you 365-375 items

[sand egret]

it doesn't go past 375 mac

[uneven mason]

thats why I said 365-375

😛

then move int Mythic 0

[sand egret]

(well technically TF should make it 380 then, no?)

[uneven mason]

once you're 370 geared run lower keys

TW gear cant TF

just warforge

[sand egret]

aye

then yeah, definitely hit up that quest and get your chops in TW. the scaling isn't bad this time around in terms of damage output

[wary gyro]

Mop is definitely one of the consistantly better scaled timewalking

[uneven mason]

for the life of me I can't find the list of k values

halp

is it still 6300?

[next goblet]

i want devastator to be viable again ;;(

[warm plinth]

@uneven mason ^

[wary gyro]

Yeah devastator makes things feel much better

[next goblet]

unfortunately its pooper

[uneven mason]

👏

Y people talking about devastator again

[next goblet]

whats this list for?

[uneven mason]

k values

[next goblet]

k values of?

[vocal nimbus]

part of a formula to get armor and block DR

[next goblet]

im sorry i feel like i missed a whole convo

ahhh ok

hmm i need to get some azerite gear to swap out my s1 stuff

[warm plinth]

Get on that shit

Chop chop

[next goblet]

i know i know

i bet it makes tanking a lot less punishing lol

[uneven mason]

buy 3 385 pieces

cheap and effective

[oblique garnet]

how much is one 385 piece?

[uneven mason]

165 I think

[oblique garnet]

o

[uneven mason]

you've been saving up right?

[oblique garnet]

yeah

not much tho

i only have like 1.4k

so will get my random 415 piece regardless

[uneven mason]

we're going to get so much residium starting next week

I didn't see the point in sitting in season 1 gear for 1 week

when I'm going to make it all back overnight.

that extra ring + stram

somgud

[next goblet]

so i should just scrap my season 1 gear?

[hidden fulcrum]

Wait the tw gear this week does not give a 385 raid piece??

[uneven mason]

replace it with season 2

it does Auski

[hidden fulcrum]

Tw quest*

[oblique garnet]

it does

[uneven mason]

the quest gives a normal BFD

[next goblet]

but i thought the amount wasn't changed, like season 1 only give shitter amount

[uneven mason]

season 1 gives crap back from residium (if any)

season 2 has 5 rings and 20% more stam

[next goblet]

im saying

[hidden fulcrum]

Nvm I read what someone said previously

[next goblet]

the amount i get for scrapping isn't retroactive

[uneven mason]

right

[sand egret]

i believe this is the case, yes

[uneven mason]

so you might not get any residium if its a really old piece

if you got it AFTER

8.1 dropped

[next goblet]

oh yea

[uneven mason]

it might give you some

[next goblet]

so i have to get asserite gear the old fashioned way

lol

BONUS ROLLS

[sand egret]

well doing a 10 this week will give ~600 residium so it's honestly not nearly as bad as before 😃

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[next goblet]

a 10 is not gonna be super easy like last week though if i recall they buffed dungeons lol

[sand egret]

certainly ain't a cakewalk

[rocky ledge]

blade? is that ture

true **

[sand egret]

tis what Ion said

[rocky ledge]

i thought a +10 was like 300

[uneven mason]

Someone in my guild was giving me shit for buying some 385s

[sand egret]

🤔 i'm pretty sure it was 600.....but as always I could be wrong. I coulda sworn it was a factor of 10

[uneven mason]

when I should be saving up for 415s

and I'm like...

"first 3 bosses in the raid literally drop azerite for warriors)

[sand egret]

and previously it was ~60 for a +10

[uneven mason]

its going to be like 600+ for a 10

[sick sentinel]

Finally, just got home from work and now it's time to play my favorite rng game

Monster Hunter

[oblique garnet]

Can we get some poggers in the chat i got the 3rd BoM piece

[next goblet]

pog

[sick sentinel]

No

[sand egret]

gop

am i doing this right

[next goblet]

does arathi gear have 5 rings as well? just for gearing alts

[sick sentinel]

No old man

Stop

[warm plinth]

We can't poggers in chat because Skyhold is anti-fun-emoji

[sand egret]

is that a group of pogs?

[sick sentinel]

Fuzzy do u mean from the world boss?

[sand egret]

or one who engages in "pogging"

?

[sick sentinel]

Because I do not think so

Stop old man

How many times do we have to teach u this lesson

[sand egret]

im trying to be hip, i just learned about this today.

[modern brook]

we have all the emojis we need

👢 🍵 👏 💪 🐒

[signal plover]

Boot soup clap!

My fave

[modern brook]

🐒

[sand egret]

see, that makes sense

[sick sentinel]

Just do what I did

Make a server with all the Emojis u can ste-find

I have too many

[oblique garnet]

LUL

[sick sentinel]

Mostly of pepe

What ilvl?

[oblique garnet]

393

[sick sentinel]

Ur boms

[oblique garnet]

ah yeah thats with the feather of un annkh that gives 525 mastery aswell

2x 390 1x 400

[sick sentinel]

The feather of who the fuck?

[uneven mason]

wat

[sick sentinel]

Go die

[uneven mason]

fucking lucky

[oblique garnet]

ive had that since 8.1

[sick sentinel]

And I hope u die

[uneven mason]

that's some meme 3xBoM trinket click Critblock

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[modern brook]

Ur a master man

[uneven mason]

throw a 390 vial on that

80% Critblock meme

[modern brook]

mac link the B values again

[sick sentinel]

No don't

[uneven mason]

You got a search bar

[modern brook]

:^(

[sick sentinel]

They haven't cleaned the channel yet

From all the juice

[uneven mason]

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SURPRISEBLOCKSEKS

[modern brook]

❤

[uneven mason]

Lala has better ones