protection

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[modern brook]

I ran most of last teir with a 390 weapon and a 340 shield

felt sad

but prefer it to the other way

[chilly brook]

Seems legit

I’d rather have the other way and be even more of a walking behemoth

[modern brook]

Yeah i only play Prot for the AoE parse tbh

Stomp and smack are my 2 favorite tankinga bilities

[chilly brook]

I love prot

TBH I’d actually alt DH seriously if they’d let them have more uptime on spikes

In fact here you go

I can balance DH better than blizz can right now

For every soul you consume with soul cleave reduce the cooldown of spikes by that amount in seconds

Boom

Ez clap

[sand egret]

so the talent

[chilly brook]

Is it actually a talent?

[sand egret]

pretty sure that's Feed the Demon

[brave mauve]

🤔

[sand egret]

except its ALL souls, but yeah back to prot 😃

[chilly brook]

You right

But it’s only 0.5 seconds and a talent

TBH should probably just be baseline

[sand egret]

maybe, but that's definitely more of a Felhammer discussion heh

[chilly brook]

You right

But one last thing

I’d probably make it similar to monk in that the actual cooldown reduction is significant

But back to 👢 🍵 👏

[sick sentinel]

DUDE

Pog irl

[sand egret]

just mail that to me kthx

[modern brook]

vdh isnt a spec, as far as Blizzard or Demon Hunters are concerned.

not even a felhammer discussion

[primal crypt]

Lul vdh

Zero love

[vocal nimbus]

@gaunt dawn yo

Paralysis can be used on the Spark Bots to keep them away.

tried yesterday once or twice and looks like they are inmune

[signal plover]

The boots eventually buff themselves to be immune to CC

(maybe just reduced duration tho). Could have sworn most things were working in em last night tho.

[honest canopy]

Ha

Got a 385 Sword in timewalkinh

And then The clap chest in 415 for killing 25 hordw

Game feels.... Mmmm deserved

[gaunt dawn]

they get a stacking buff and at 5 stacks theyre CC immune

im doing it tonight so ill double check

[chrome falcon]

@honest canopy 415? seriously?

[honest canopy]

@chrome falcon yeav

The thunderclap one in row 1

[chrome falcon]

this system is so fucking retarded lmao

[honest canopy]

It is

[chrome falcon]

free mythic azerite for camping horde flight points

[honest canopy]

I didnt do that tho

To boing

I normally go where i know There is CoA Wqs

And hovet around those

[chrome falcon]

point stands that that's completely absurd, all the competitive raiding guilds are transferring for the free loot

it's disgusting

[honest canopy]

All?

[broken roost]

I only got a 400 azerote piece for the pvp quest, didnt think you could get 415

[honest canopy]

Iv just seen Limited

TF

[broken roost]

Mm

[honest canopy]

A mage got 425 Boots from first boss In BfD yday xD

Tbh I dont mind The thing to stimulate ppl go alliance

I have played booth sides and lately its fkn Dire play alliance

The player Base aint nowhere near The stats you read

[dusk locust]

i've never tried queueing for anything on horde so i don't know what i'm missing 😛

[weak phoenix]

Hows bwonsamdi's bargain in m+?

[honest canopy]

Id sy its better for raiding

[uneven mason]

thats the auto res

with a 6min CD

that, I mean, as a prot warrior if you're going to die

chances are the 50k heal won't save you.

[sand egret]

well i'd say that circumstance happens more in M+ than it would in a raid

[uneven mason]

Yeah

although as a prot warrior being proactive

and not being dead is generally the best plan

[sand egret]

as a tank who mitigates very strongly, the chances of being chunked over the threshold vs trickled is where I see the value

[keen spire]

Port Rawrrier is ez - when ded, just prepre to don't be ded

😉

[sand egret]

i wouldn't mind getting my hands on one and messing around with it, personally. I do like the concept of using defensive trinkets, as limited as they are. But that and the DLRP looks neat

[uneven mason]

SinisterBlob gets it

[weak phoenix]

Yeah I plan on using Mekk trinket for sure but I looted the bargain one last night

I only prot in m+

Maybe a 2nd on use trinket is better so I can use one with every avatar?

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

Knot is very strong

in M+

all that parry

[honest canopy]

Hm

Thinking about pvping

For shield n trinket

Worth The time? 🤔

[inland mesa]

what....azerite armor shouldn't be able to thunderforge

[keen spire]

Omg

why isnt it called that

😭

For prot only

lol

[inland mesa]

so I'm assuming you got 400 piece like everyone else unless you can link armory and you cheated the system and never tell anyone ever

[honest canopy]

Google yourself. Nikkson

Meridies Silvermoon

[inland mesa]

are you in different gear, you're wearing all 370

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/silvermoon/Nikkson o.O

[keen spire]

Arms 🤢

[weak phoenix]

Yeah I have knot and vial

Currently using vial and bargain

[inland mesa]

I got a 420 with socket Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism last night, it's 120 str and 40 haste from the syringe, debating if I like it or not. That shield does add extra mitigation for sure and in world PVP it's just stupid

[uneven mason]

"Just got a Thunderforged peice, wtf is this..."

[short temple]

Do you want more than 1 Deafening crash on your gear?

[uneven mason]

Oh, thunder forged, I get it.

[stark sage]

🅱underclap

[short temple]

so you wanna stack as many as u can?

i take that as

[uneven mason]

Lol

no

[inland mesa]

in M+

[uneven mason]

meme

M+ BiS azerite is 1DC 3BoM 2IF

gives you highest DPS

[inland mesa]

really? not 3 DC for all the aoes?

[honest canopy]

@inland mesa yeah not updated theb

I just lvled it. For this pstch n xpsc. Dinged 120 few days ago, hence The necklvl

@inland mesa did The M0 today as arms, wasnt allowed to tank zz

Did few 6s after tho, Prot such QoL

[inland mesa]

but they have explicitly said azerite armor doesn't WF/TF

[honest canopy]

Check Zoba in my guild

[inland mesa]

so if you really got a 415, I'm curious if it's tied to arena rating or what

[honest canopy]

He got a TF azerite pice today as well

410 thi

So maybe thats wf

Idk

[keen spire]

That's gonna be hotfixed if it's true

[uneven mason]

yup

[keen spire]

Blizz will probably take that gear away

lol

Best case, they'll just reduce the ilvl back down

[uneven mason]

will replace it with base ilvl items

[stark sage]

according to the armory, zoba doesnt have any 410 equipped

[keen spire]

I also got a socket on my sword that dropped, which I wasn't sure could happen

[uneven mason]

my armory hasn't updated since 2 days ago Keladan

[keen spire]

first I've seen it anyway

[uneven mason]

so Armoryr is buggy as shit right now

[stark sage]

he is wearing the bracers he looted yesterday

[uneven mason]

WELLTHEN

I'm mad now

[stark sage]

sorry

5 hours ago

[sand egret]

I had a socket on my weapon in 8.0 but yeah azerite shouldnt be able to wf/tf

[keen spire]

Mac, you've been misled

😛

Oh, for sure, Blade. Thanks

[sand egret]

sockets fall under the WF category which weapons can do, just not TF

[inland mesa]

@honest canopy shows zoba with 400 chest, so maybe it was hotfixed down already

[uneven mason]

FYI sockets and tertiary stats are a diff roll than WF/TF

[naive panther]

jsut updated for nikkson

[sick sentinel]

Nice

[honest canopy]

0 thats not right

[naive panther]

that's what you logged out in

[honest canopy]

I got The chest pice like 1430 cet

[keen spire]

Just screen shot your damn character in-game

[honest canopy]

🤔

[keen spire]

go log in

[honest canopy]

Iam fkn feeding The baby rn xD

[keen spire]

Priorities man

[naive panther]

this is mine, wowprog updates jsut fine

[keen spire]

Is that

A fuggin VDH

@chilly brook I found an ally for you.

😉

[honest canopy]

Theres when i got it iirc

[shut summit]

@uneven mason 3dc woulda been more damage than 2if based off of my last log (by about 200k), but not really worth stacking for that dmg difference / tradeoff in defense

[honest canopy]

Shows as 255 on armory 🤔

[uneven mason]

TY for the clarification Sense, I knew IF would more than likely be a better choice, just didn't realize that it was behind in DPS, although, that makes

[shut summit]

yea wouldnt really recommend it

(stacking DC that is)

[chilly brook]

@keen spire hmmm?? It’s just the other tank spec that I enjoy the most outside of the periods of time where I’m getting slapped into next week

[keen spire]

I'm just pokin' fun at you Griff

Since you were talking about VDH earlier

[chilly brook]

Ah

TBH I’d just like to see all tanks doing well

[noble solar]

is it only me or pugging full normal BOD feels equally hard as most of heroic antorus back then?

[old zephyr]

aren't the invasions supposed to drop up to 385 loot now?

[chilly brook]

Pugging in general makes content as hard or easy as the general skill level of the dummy’s the leader pulled in

[open bluff]

tbf, antorus was a joke

until aggramar/argus

[chilly brook]

I mean

Coven hello

People were legit brain dead on coven

That being said I enjoyed Mythic antorus

It was a good balance imo

[summer kestrel]

:(

I have to raid as dps after two months tanking

niiiiice

[nocturne portal]

rip

[oblique garnet]

PogChamp both shield and the chest from first boss hc

[warm plinth]

Congrats

[neon tangle]

I bonused rolled 3x last night in hc, got azerite all 3 times

got a belt from jadefire

[prisma crane]

@chilly brook ironically Coven was easier on Mythic than heroic

[warm plinth]

@old zephyr Blizz never mentioned incursions (faction assaults) in their "what's changing for season 2" post. And, if you interpret this like a lot of people have/will, it means that any Azerite gear from incursions will also not have the new ring.

Krotos! ✊

[old zephyr]

okay

[uneven mason]

@summer kestrel Y DPS Instead of tank?

[silk mortar]

Does the gorilla boss g

do 3 smashes often?

[neon tangle]

Just to answer what you actually need to know: The debuff is pretty short, just have the tank taunt it back

[silk mortar]

Alright cuz my tanks says thats whats killin them

[west turtle]

I seem to have issues at Heroic Grong with my guild, I get shredded by 2 bites + the throw, it was really hard to survive for me, although I don't know if it's us the tanks or the healers

[silk mortar]

Ty for answer

[neon tangle]

smash tank a, smash tank b, smash tank a

is more or less how it will work

[silk mortar]

Overwork for them

[west turtle]

they were healing between 12k and 22k aproximately

[silk mortar]

Yeah 2 bites and throw hurts

Badly

Shouldnt let that happend

[neon tangle]

@west turtle I just told my healers to do their best to keep the tanks topped up during the combo, they seemed capable of it

[west turtle]

I think we are going to have to use externals during that, and cheese the boss with the orb so we disrupt the combo

[neon tangle]

I mean, they kept our new 373 BDK alive, can't be that bad

[snow hinge]

is it ok to use a fist weapon as prot? i got it from the orders cache

[weak phoenix]

If you want to be masculine

[oblique garnet]

i mean 2 stacks of the bleed is just like 1 bleed from berserkers on fortified 10 on kr

actually does less

[neon tangle]

If you really want to cheese it you can BoP the tank that's getting tossed

it also cancels the toss

[warm plinth]

@snow hinge We can use any 1h that isn't a dagger pretty much. As long as it has str main stat, it's fine.

[west turtle]

yeah, we were getting to the point where BoP was a good idea

[snow hinge]

ok thanks

[west turtle]

is Opulence hard(er) than Jadefire/Grong on Heroic? we were debating whether it was better (for getting loot) to finish Normal or going Grong and Opulence for tonight

[neon tangle]

My group got through first 3 in heroic in ~1.5 hours, normal was kinda a waste of time

wasted a bunch of time wiping on blockade instead of getting ilvl 400 loot

[west turtle]

yeah it's just that we are worse players probably, but if blockade is hard, then we might just try to keep going on Heroic

[queen valley]

Anyone know some sort of bind that would make my autorun sideways or something? I only get it while im tanking and I dont know what Im hitting but it makes my camera do circles and it runs me sideways on its own.

[sand egret]

rebind turn to strafe

strafe = running horizontally vs the wow default setting A + D to "turn" = rotate character

[queen valley]

I dont have turning bound

[warm plinth]

I think he's asking why his character is doing that, not how he can make it happen. I might be misunderstanding though.

[sand egret]

ahh yeah i'm probably misunderstanding

it's been years, but i had to do that a while back for my shit

[queen valley]

It only happens on my warrior, ill be tanking and hit some sort of bind and it makes me auto strafe and my camera goes in circles

And i can only stop it by alt tabbing

[sand egret]

looks like you got some sort of input lock

on your mouse

[warm plinth]

Yeah, sounds like a mouse issue, not a game issue

[sand egret]

since auto-run is both buttons and a camera turn is right + motion

seems like your mouse may be kicking the bucket or something

[warm plinth]

First thing I'd try is checking if you need to update drivers. Sometimes outdated drivers can do weird shit. But yeah, chances are your mouse is just on its way out.

[sand egret]

first thing i'd do is swap the USB port, tbh

[queen valley]

Its only a couple month old -____-

Hmm ill try that

Its only happened on my warrior and only started happening (from what i noticed) after I rebound S key to move backwards

[sand egret]

still sounds like a mouse thing to me...unless you got some weird numlock shenanigans going on (pretty sure that's autorun by default)

[warm plinth]

Man I'm really struggling to remember because I had this problem years ago

[queen valley]

Guess it will forever remain a mystery lol

Pressing the windows key makes it stop

[warm plinth]

Does it continue when you click back into the WoW client?

Or that stops it until it happens the next time?

[queen valley]

No it stops until I hit whatever I hit

[warm plinth]

Do you have a Razer mouse?

[queen valley]

I am fat fingering something im sure

Yes

[true plover]

We ever run treacherous covenant for m+?

[warm plinth]

Some people are suggesting deleting a file in the Razer folder called "Razer In-Game Engine". It's not something you need, and apparently has fixed the problem for a few people.

[queen valley]

Hmm

[warm plinth]

Alternatively you can go into the mouse settings and turn mouse polling down to 500

[queen valley]

Thanks ill try those out

[lavish oracle]

@Nemesis#2914 I'm pretty sure its bad

I think best case scenario, you run it if you wanna shit stomp through trivially easy keys

[solid owl]

@true plover for m+ idk, high keys you're pretty likely to dip a lot, raid I'd recommend against it on non-farm content

again because you're likely to dip

[summer kestrel]

@uneven mason im the third wheel

[molten scaffold]

This might be a silly quetion, but what factors into my Shield Slam's damage? Is it based on my weapon or the shield itself?

[solid owl]

it's like cradle of anguish

[summer kestrel]

if we are full of main tanks for raid I dps

if there isn't enough tanks I tank

[warm plinth]

@molten scaffold Attack power, and whether or not you have Shield Block active

[solid owl]

yeah, no weapon damage

just attack power

[lavish oracle]

Attack power scales with weapon damage, pretty sure

[modern brook]

F(wd,x,y,z,..)=AP

Strength and weapon damage are the 2 big ones. Mast and vers are in there somewhere

im sure some other shit because blizzard video games have stupid fucking formulas.

[molten scaffold]

So a better weapon contributes to Shield Slam via weapon damage, and a better shield would contribute to SS damage via strength only?

[modern brook]

pmuch

[warm plinth]

Mast affects AP but vers shouldn't. It just affects overall damage done as a % of damage.

[modern brook]

🤷

[molten scaffold]

Fair enough, here's hoping my cache doesn't give me a 2hander while prot-specc'd like it has in the past.

[warm plinth]

My favorite part of when that happens is that it has the fucking prot icon in the corner of the loot window

[modern brook]

we're not a big brain spec we dont have to know these things

[warm plinth]

Like "Here's your prot weapon bitch"

[modern brook]

I just take the number thats higher

call it better

You can still stomp w/ a 2 hander

so

[molten scaffold]

You know if I was ALLOWED to use a 2hander and a shield at the same time I'd take it.

[modern brook]

You're basically at 70% capability

[molten scaffold]

Mad Thunder Claps.

[fleet goblet]

(str+wdps*6 ) * mastery mod * prot mod (5%). i think

then the coeff for ss

and i forgot vers, so that too

[lavish oracle]

is it weapon DPS or weapon damage?

[open bluff]

weapon dps is a function of weapon damage

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, but they would be pretty distinct in this case

364-607 vs. 186.7 weapon DPS for a 385 weapon

[open bluff]

if they were using weapon damage it would show a range of damage values

weapon dps is a function of weapon damage, but wdps is an average overall so it's more consistent to just use that

[old zephyr]

seems like gigovolt is not reflectable

[signal plover]

Probably a good thing

It was reflected into ground tho right?

On PTR at least

[young oasis]

What is ur opinion on Jaina trinket?

Is it good for m+ since it slows

[lavish oracle]

The slow is bad, its the same as our thunder clap slow and only 2 seconds longer

The damage is good though

[outer dew]

@oblique garnet i feel scammed

I can't face tank reaping

scammed af

[pure sun]

What spells from jaina can you SR?

[hot locust]

@outer dew why cant you?

I have been so far just fine

[lavish oracle]

Theres a spreadsheet in resources

[outer dew]

maybe it's the first key i've done in awhile

but it hurts like a mofo

[hot locust]

your healer needs to dispel stacks if it hurts.

[outer dew]

was doing a +10 and that dot was wrecking havoc on me

qq

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I was face tanking reaping fine mostly

[outer dew]

but then again, that healer made me feel like I was in constant danger the whole run

[hot locust]

I feel like the reaping adds dont even do any damage.

[outer dew]

🤔

ehh, i'll probably go see again with a friend healer vs pug healer

[hot locust]

just gotta make sure your healer knows to dispel the DoT like on CD

[lavish oracle]

It can be rough going into reaping after really heavy damage from bursting

[hot locust]

Though it doesnt really get too bad until high stacks

bursting is pain this week especially with quaking overlaps

[lavish oracle]

Yeah

Can't wait for next week, it's gonna be easy af

[true plover]

Are there any REALLY good trinkets or other things we want to try to get from the raid?

[signal plover]

Diamond from opulence is great

[lavish oracle]

I've been rerolling weapon and shield constantly

[signal plover]

For surv

[lavish oracle]

I feel like diamond is way better in raid than M+

[signal plover]

And?

[lavish oracle]

Does there have to be an and?

[signal plover]

It's pretty good in keys too if you're looking to get surv bump

Not rly

Care to elaborate why it'd be bad in keys tho?

[lavish oracle]

Way less down time, can't bank the shield

Think Bwonsamdi's might be better for pushing keys

Eh, maybe not since it requires you to take a fatal hit instead of 50% like eye

[hot locust]

is bad

[signal plover]

Even if the shield is smaller it's still a minor absorb every 10 secs.

[hot locust]

refracting prism scales with haste, and is pretty good even in M+ just for a little smoothing.

No reason to run it over offensive trinkets probably though.

[signal plover]

Ya

[weak phoenix]

Hearing that bwonsamdi's trink isnt good makes me sad

I was super excited to get it yesterday

[uneven mason]

I mean

It looks bad on paper

it looks bad in the numbers

it looks bad

from 5 miles away like a 500lb man in a pink dress and a perm

[lavish oracle]

Wow, I just realized it's a 6 minute CD, oof

[wooden hollow]

anyone know what happened to Befuddled Gaming on youtube? He hasn't put up any videos for a while.

[uneven mason]

Too busy playing his monk, died of embarassment

[wooden hollow]

lol ic

[uneven mason]

Kidding I don't actually know

[warm plinth]

Maybe he got befuddled and couldn't figure out how to upload videos

[modern brook]

bad joke

ban him plz

[warm plinth]

I deserve it

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason I would have totally rocked that trinket in maybe BC

when I was tanking on my druid and an unlucky set chain of crushing blows would gib me

[inland mesa]

have they fixed heoric gnomer yet?

[final mist]

I feel like the more important question is why were you tanking on a druid in BC?

smdh my head

[neon tangle]

I was 17, teenagers do crazy shit

[inland mesa]

anyone do heroic mechatorque today? is he still DCing people that jump in the robot

[uneven mason]

Druid tanks in TBC 😡

"I've Crit immune because of PVP Gear HURRR LOOK at my 24,000hp manasponge ass get chain crushed"

[neon tangle]

They were arguably useful for a few fights like fathomlord where whoever tanked the first couple dudes would end up dps-ing the rest of the fight

[uneven mason]

Wat?

[modern brook]

"they were arguably useful" -spoken like a true bear

[final mist]

Mekkatorque has been fixed, AFAIK.

[neon tangle]

@modern brook Eh, I also played 8.0 prot warrior

I'm a pile of bad decisions

[modern brook]

8.0 prot was dope af

[final mist]

8.0 Warrior wasn't bad at all.

[modern brook]

8.1 is busted

[lavish oracle]

8.0 prot warrior was like basically the same as 8.1 prot warrior

[modern brook]

we're a brain dead big square class now

[lavish oracle]

but a little clunkier

[uneven mason]

@neon tangle if I was going to use a character who was stacking PVP gear to offtank in SSC I went with the 400IQ choice and had my 3 holy paladins do all of the offtanking

[modern brook]

every since 8.1 ppl stopped marveling at my large dong pulls

8.1 was the worst thing to happen to 8.0 warrior

[uneven mason]

Holy paladin + crit immune PVP Gear + Righteous fury

[neon tangle]

you definitely did not pvp gear by SSC

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I miss people being awe struck about how well I do with a "garbage class"

[modern brook]

yeah it was free

Now i have to try

and there is no separation for warrior

cause if youre bad at warrior you're dead

so you're either grabage or "just doing warrior stuff"

[uneven mason]

@neon tangle I just hear some bearbitterness there.

[neon tangle]

tbh I did not care about being the bestest class and played what I enjoyed, not bitter

Still playing what I enjoy

[uneven mason]

I mean, it didn't take much to get crit immunity vs non boss level targets

didn't even need shoulders or helm

[true plover]

How's the gigavolt trinket?

for m+

[neon tangle]

IIRC earthwarden gave you a big ol' chunk of what you needed

[hidden oyster]

quick question, is Brace for Impact worth stacking or should I just take callous reprisal instead

[uneven mason]

yes

BFI is worth stacking

[hidden oyster]

thanks

[uneven mason]

1x DC - stack BFI as much as you can (for raiding)

[modern brook]

^ the limiting factor being taking Ilvl over everything else

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[hidden oyster]

well i mean DC is worth like 45 ilvls is it not

[uneven mason]

eh

YMMV

if being optimally used

its probably worth a bit over 15

I mean

I don't feel its a massive change in the damage I take

prior to the nerf yeah

it was basically "DC or bust"

but now that its limited, it really depends on your tanking windows

[modern brook]

By Feb 12th

you wont have an issue

DC is fucking everywhere this tier

you'll at least 1 peice with it

[uneven mason]

yeah I'm sitting on it

got a 400 DC Peice from warfront +++

[hidden oyster]

its not that i have anything to replace my current DC piece with anyways, was just wondering

but anyway thx for the quick reply =)

[modern brook]

I would say 2 non-DC > 1 DC

Specifically if its an ilvl upgrade

[uneven mason]

I mean, if you're going from a Season 1 DC peice

[hidden oyster]

well my DC piece is 960 so yeah, will def be ilvl upgrade

[uneven mason]

to a season 2 not DC Peice

make the jump

wat

LEGION ITEM LEVELS?

IN 2019?!

[modern brook]

this guy ha sa fucking legion legendary ass DC piece

[hidden oyster]

whoops

😄

360*

still rly used to legion ilvls

[modern brook]

YEah You cant go wrong with ilvl over everything

once things are a bit more even

1dc > ilvl > everything else

[hidden oyster]

oh btw would you say 5stack Into The Fray (tier 1 talent) is better than Punish on progress? should be right

[modern brook]

ITF is effectively* always better

[stark sage]

probably even a 2 stack itf is better than punish

[uneven mason]

ITF Is multiplicative with your haste, (its not a flat 15%, but 15% of your current haste value)

[modern brook]

^

[lavish oracle]

How do I get the 400 Alchemist stone? is it not available yet?

[stark sage]

115% of your current haste i think is more accurate to say

[uneven mason]

yeha

15% increase

[hidden oyster]

15% unbuffed, no ITF, 32% with 5 stack ITF

[uneven mason]

right

[lavish oracle]

Or do I have to craft the surging stone first?

[uneven mason]

Yes

you make the 385

then the 400

hten the 415

[fleet goblet]

once you have enough breaths

[lavish oracle]

Ah, was hoping having made the 385 from last season would give me the recipe

[uneven mason]

I'ma be farming Tidalcores like crazy

[modern brook]

what is ilvl cap this teir?

[uneven mason]

425 max TF

[modern brook]

so 415 is Mythic?

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I'm one away from making the 385

Might as well see if anyone is still running M0 around the World

[uneven mason]

mythic is 415 yeah

[modern brook]

thanks mac

[uneven mason]

410 from chest, 400 from heroic M10

[modern brook]

and the M+ chest still gives residum right

[uneven mason]

I'm out, but remember everyone, the dream, BRING BACK THUNDERFORGED GEAR https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/538063319169499146/unknown.png

[stark sage]

[modern brook]

[iron osprey]

400ilvl Alch Trinket vs Fathoms?

[modern brook]

wait hang on

Coin sweep is blockable

why is our class so good

new pic of the day is just going to be large B: values against coin sweep

anyone know if Jadefire Mage's Pyroblast is reflectable?

thats a meme i want

[merry cave]

Someone was saying it is but raid gets a debuff still or something. Not very good info but haven't done it yet :P

[silk moat]

has anybody tried stacking strength in numbers & pulling for max HP boost? or does it not stack :<

[sand egret]

shield should stack

what wouldn't stack is like, the unit cap

but shield per unit should stack

[marble cipher]

What would you do? I don't like losing haste tbf 😄 but it's quite some ilvl

and quite some vers

[hot locust]

drop the 375

[marble cipher]

Aye, I thought so too, sucks to lose 5% haste thoigh

4*

[hot locust]

Definitely isn't a good feelin' but that's a lot of overall stat increase.

[marble cipher]

Yeah, thanks!

[iron osprey]

@hot locust I'm in the same situation except with a 385 high haste/low crit and that ring. Same deal?

Hard to gauge on rings >.<

[hot locust]

yeah still worth it

gaining 20 ilvl like that will always be worth

[iron osprey]

Also while I've got you, Fathoms vs the 400 ilvl Alch Stone? Worth the swap?

Fair call

[hot locust]

alch stone for sure

[iron osprey]

❤ thanks!

[oblique garnet]

PogChamp freehold with reaping is amazing

[sick sentinel]

I can only agree

I have done 3 freehold runs already

even though, the reaping the easiest part

[oblique garnet]

big brain iq easy 2 chest on first +10

[sick sentinel]

tol dagor was also nice

we just used the cannon

for the reaping

[lavish oracle]

I need an addon that plays the Ghost Busters theme whenever reaping starts

[robust bronze]

any new raid trinkets any good for us

?

[modern brook]

@lavish oracle https://youtu.be/0tdyU_gW6WE

Do one better

[lavish oracle]

Bustin makes me feel good

[thin ore]

overwhelming power, azerite globules or shimmering haven for m+ defensive?

[marble cipher]

OP

[thin ore]

because? more haste = more better?

[marble cipher]

and the others aren't good

globules sucks, and shimmering makes you stand still

[warm plinth]

Azerite Globules are pretty bad because all 3 stacks have to happen on a single target. If the target dies before they get to 3 stacks, you get nothing from it.

If I'm thinking of the right trait 😅

[vocal nimbus]

you are

[marble cipher]

Ilvl 400 engi helm 👌
Now... Farm breaths for the next one 😞

[warm plinth]

I believe in you

[marble cipher]

By the way, for M raiding, progress, I should aim for some BfI and IF traits I guess?

[sick sentinel]

which trinkets would you suggest for MY+ tanking? same as Raid tanking?

atm i'm going with Jes' Howler (395) and Rezan's Gleaming Eye (365 with socket).
i also have Lingering Sporepods (360 and +70 Speed), Vanquished (370), Gore-Crusted (365), Syringe (370) and Doom's Fury (375)

[marble cipher]

I'd go jes and rezan too with those

[true plover]

Do you guys usually go with defensive or offensive trinkets in M+?

[sand egret]

depends if I need the survival. usually gravitate towards offensive as you gear

[oblique garnet]

offensive

[true plover]

Would you guys grab ancient's bulwark over DC if you already have one DC?

[warm plinth]

What are the values on AB, out of curiosity? Not sure if wowhead's are accurate.

[true plover]

Shows as 290vers, 658 healing, and .8s

[warm plinth]

Probably DC for DPS, or AB for survival. AB is pretty similar healing to IV but you have to be moving the whole time, and I would imagine that DC would bring more damage, but I'm too lazy to do the math.

[true plover]

Not sure how complete the apl is with raidbots but it is showing as a .7% DPS loss choosing AB over DC @warm plinth

[steel mauve]

Its not complete

[warm plinth]

Yeah sims are still not usable. Think they're still working on the module so even if the APL was up to date (not sure if it is or not), it still wouldn't be accurate.

[queen valley]

Thought I was tanking tonight on my newly boosted warrior. 376 and never tanked a raid.

I thought wrong.

[neon tangle]

?

[queen valley]

Thats too low apparently

Which is ok

Its three days old

[neon tangle]

I mean, we had a 377 BDK tanking the first few bosses of heroic last night

[sick sentinel]

i tanked normal at 372 on tuesday

[queen valley]

I think id be ok, but also never tanked anything but 5 mans

Oh well maybe next week

[sick sentinel]

raids are easier imo

[neon tangle]

i lied, I think they're... 373?

[queen valley]

Ill just outgear it then ill get the invite

Isnt that the way

lol

[sick sentinel]

the way is to learn the fights really well. that way as prot you know what you can block vs what will give you the beans

[queen valley]

Yeah i was hoping

Ill just pay extra attention while hitting voidform on my priest lol

[sick sentinel]

i suggest watching fatboss vids on new raid... and look at the tank notes for the fights

tank notes are the big one that help me out usually

[steel mauve]

Become a raid leader 😉

[queen valley]

Lol thanks

good advice

[steel mauve]

Not really, thats awful advice, being a raid leader sucks

[open bluff]

can confirm^

[neon tangle]

I avoid it like the plague

same thing with being a guild officer

[steel mauve]

Ya... idk why im doing it again...

[sand egret]

reaping is hilarious hahaha

[quartz tulip]

guys

a question

for m+

stamina > good traits? xd

im really want pure pure damage xd

[round oasis]

does Intimidating presence az trait work even if the monster is fear immune?

[tired cove]

yes

[safe quartz]

@quartz tulip you don't need stamina if you can survive

play full dmg traits if you want and see how that works for you

[sand egret]

pretty sure Intimidating Presence doesn't apply if the mob is fear immune....

[broken roost]

Do we know how much ilvl/whatever you have to have to get higher ilvl emissary rewards? I'd get a 385 weapon now but I'd reallllly like a 400 hah

[lavish oracle]

I don't think you can get a 400 yet aside from the alliance warmode stuff

[broken roost]

ally has an emissary for weapon today, someone mentioned it can scale to 400

[lavish oracle]

I think there's some bonus for being in warmode, that's why limit switched to Ally

[warm plinth]

Emissaries scale to 385.

Limit switched to ally to get free 400 ilevel gear from Against Overwhelming Odds and the Darkshore Warfront quest. They are switching back prior to Mythic opening.

Sources: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/whats-changing-and-not-in-season-2/73698 (emissary scaling) https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/41891-limit-faction-transfer-to-alliance-for-ilevel-400-gear/ (Limit switching for gear)

[true plover]

@warm plinth Why would they swap back before getting the almost guaranteed 400 from next reset?

[warm plinth]

Not sure. Because mythic opens next week probably and they want to already be back to Horde by then, not have to potentially wait for the faction transfers to complete.

[broken roost]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=288938.2/increasing-item-level-rewards-in-patch-8-1 - this says emissaries scale to 400

[true plover]

@broken roost But the other is from a Blue and none of the emissaries have scaled to 400 so I'm going to say probably not?

[broken roost]

Today is the first gear-giving emissary since 8.1 so none others had the possibility to, but from a Blue is something I suppose

**8.1 meaning this reset, Season 2, whatever

[warm plinth]

My source was from Blizzard directly, but I'm happy to be proven wrong by in-game screenshots. I do know that everyone was bitching that assaults were only giving 370 still (and that they only have S1 rings, not the added one from S2), and I haven't seen a 400 ilevel emissary yet that wasn't a forge. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'd love if it was 400 instead of 385, as I'm sure most people would 😃

[broken roost]

hmm okay

I only just got the ilvl to make it a 385 anyway so not likely I'd be able to make it a 390 in the next two days regardless

[open bluff]

yeah the 385 scaling was announced by ion himself like a week or so before season 2 went live

but yeah, i think it's still unclear whether incursions/assaults are meant to go to 385

it wasn't listed in the what's changing post, but considering they came with 8.1 you'd think they would want to keep it relevant

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand egret]

just.got.my.third.BoM.

it is fucking ON

[long phoenix]

any tips for conclave i'm getting wrecked by kimbul's dot only taking 2 stacks

[neon tangle]

that DoT hurts bad, what order are you killing them?

[long phoenix]

paku,gonk,kimbul

[neon tangle]

I assume you're not messing up on any of the stuff like keeping them apart + keeping the haste buff dispelled

[long phoenix]

nah we have the basics down i was just checking to see if there was anything i could do against that nasty dot

there are a lot of bad overlaps and i think we are fucking up timings

[neon tangle]

yeah it definitely hurts

[astral crystal]

@long phoenix we did gonk > kimbul > paku

got rid of kimbul asap so we didnt have to deal with dot or aoe overlaps

[long phoenix]

i'll bring that up thanks 😄

[true plover]

385 Alc Stone/Fathoms/370 Disc/370 Rezans Which two for M+?

[sand egret]

alc rezans

[true plover]

Alright. Should hopefully have the 400 alc stone tomm as well.

[latent wasp]

arg... I feel bad that we have to 3 tank the first boss in raid 😦

[oblique garnet]

just zerg it

thats how we did it

[latent wasp]

zerg? just go after boss?

[cinder nova]

? Wait what.

The champions?

[lucid burrow]

on Stormwall does the Kelp debuff slow players too?

[primal crypt]

whew

crazy raid night

Thanks again Late 😄

[honest canopy]

Herp

Someone yday said and linked a meme pic of you wanting only DC as traits if possible

[primal crypt]

@lucid burrow which one is the kelp again?

the green shit?

[honest canopy]

But when i try to read up, it says you only want one 🤔

[primal crypt]

@honest canopy that's for the dps mongo build

[honest canopy]

I get that you cant exted the Shout duration but the dmg increase should be rather good or?

[primal crypt]

3 Bastion of Might, 3 Deaf Crash

[honest canopy]

Ah ok

[primal crypt]

for max dps in keys

Late and I are going to rush it for meme dmg

but my ultimate set up is 3 BoM 1 DC 2 BFI

other traits will be whatever I accidently select

[honest canopy]

What about CR?

[primal crypt]

Callous?

[honest canopy]

Yes

[primal crypt]

the revenge one?

nah

only if it's the one available

[honest canopy]

I can get 2 of those or one and a bolt fkn thing i dont want to

ah yeah

its the only i can get, the other one is like rock bottom. Thx for the help!

[mental scarab]

So second boss in last phase when ther transform, the bird hit me for something like 100k (Peck) something. Any tips how to survive for the dot hurts to at 17 stacks from caster boi 😬😬

[proven galleon]

you wanna tauntswap it every 9-10 stacks

also use Spell Reflect on Cooldown to increase dmg and ignore 1 stack

[modest wedge]

or just 3 tank it, trivial

[oblique garnet]

just nuke down the monk boi so by the time it actually dies you dont have to worry about anything but the other one

[old zephyr]

Would you have any tips and trick for stormwall blocades, my guild got stomped by this yesterday

In NM...

[lucid burrow]

making it to 20%, but finding issues with dpsing adds. we're getting 2 consecutively around 35% and then 3 sub 25

[trim bay]

Hey guys. how many stacks of caress death were you taking when tanking King rastakan?

[steel folio]

18-20

[old night]

anyone have a weak aura for callous reprisal

cant find one

[stone crag]

not really something that needs to be tracked, not a top tier trait either so demand for a WA is incredibly low

[inland mesa]

we just taunted on the fire line run out

on Rasta

[trim bay]

yea i was just checking i wasnt doing a mechanic run, easiest option

[mental scarab]

Thx for the helpo😎

[oblique garnet]

Did you kill it by nuking?

[oblique garnet]

btw vampiric speed is really good for reaping

[nova gale]

I finished a FH11 with 27k dps 😁😁

Treants are absolutely bonkers for reaping btw

[next goblet]

m+ is harder

am happy

spectral berserkers in kings rest

how do i avoid getting that nasty bleed?

[silk mortar]

You can outrange

But then risk getting your melees hit by that shit

[nova gale]

Take one stack, then call for treants or make sure your group is away from the berserker and have a pet or minion stand next to it

it will put the dot on the closest target if you are not in range

[sick sentinel]

you could probably pally bop it away too

[silk mortar]

Or just have it cc and take it alone

Helps

[nova gale]

cc is a time waste unfortunately. other more effective ways to deal with it

[silk mortar]

If you keep dying from it shouldnt be to much of a waste

As sometimes your companions dont have other tools to deal with it

[next goblet]

im not dying

but that bleed hurts lol

[nova gale]

fair enough 😃

[silk mortar]

Well then you dont have a problem ;D

It hurts thats just about it'

[next goblet]

just wanna make healers life easier

ya dig?

[silk mortar]

Understandable

But kigns rest is yuck for them

[next goblet]

it really is

its aids

lol

[oblique garnet]

@nova gale just imagine next week when you can actually just pull once and get reaping and repeat

[nova gale]

ayy

[oblique garnet]

btw

[sick sentinel]

i love my prot warrior to death, but i think i'd rather play a rogue or mage or something these days.

[oblique garnet]

the trinket from opulance

is actually really good

its consistently 20% of my overall hps

[nova gale]

can it crit?

[sick sentinel]

feels like an uphill battle in mythic+

[oblique garnet]

its absorb

so idk

[nova gale]

oh ok thought it was a heal

[oblique garnet]

but for reaping

vampiric speed

is bis

[nova gale]

I havent got any items from the HC run yesterday basically

and everything I get I trade away to our deeps

[oblique garnet]

got 3 pieces of loot

from 4 bosses lmao

[nova gale]

got one from 7

the cloak from mekka

which I bonus rolled

loooool

[oblique garnet]

imagine the first boss drops 2 bis items

shield and a chest

got the shield as actual loot and bonus rolled the chest XD

[nova gale]

ye, well stormwall chest should be better ye?

just slightly

[oblique garnet]

its a headpiece

oh wait

nvm was looking at wrong class

[nova gale]

its the exact same item basically 😄

they have the same loot table

[oblique garnet]

Idk

[nova gale]

shield, chest and gloves

[oblique garnet]

i wouldnt say its better

[nova gale]

same shit

[oblique garnet]

in the other you can get IF + BoM if you have one dc elsewhere

overall it beats it

and strenght in numbers is really good for reaping

[nova gale]

my healer asked me yesterday why I dont take dmg

triple BoM is just insane

[oblique garnet]

yup

shame i only have 2x rn

[nova gale]

im rocking 370 pieces 😄

[oblique garnet]

i didnt get lucky with my 370s :<

[nova gale]

I forced my platewearers to give me the items in m0

#GMprivilege

[oblique garnet]

i did 11wm yesterday and we had 2x dhs and they were like yeah ima blast these reaping adds like they were basically thinking that they would be competing with eachother

i did 180k

they did 150k

"nerf prot" was the immediate response XD

[nova gale]

It's glorious

I might push some keys today

cba running 5s anymore

[oblique garnet]

yeah

i did few

realized i only get upgrades if it titanforges

[nova gale]

I need to do my 16 waycrest

[oblique garnet]

so just doing 10s and higher if with guildies

i got 14 fh

😄

[nova gale]

neat

[oblique garnet]

ml 13 was surprisingly easy just that so many of the reaping adds were casters

[nova gale]

I got some sick TF actually yesterday not gonna lie

[oblique garnet]

nice

[rapid tide]

Juicy.

[oblique garnet]

everytime my items get upgrades its just fucking indestructible speed

[rapid tide]

My guild can't decide whether they want to bench the guardian druid main tank and let me main tank so I am juggling Azerite between Fury and Prot atm.

So my traits are... all over the place.

😦

[nova gale]

Traits wont matter that much for prot

as long as you know how to play it

[oblique garnet]

they help alot tho

[rapid tide]

Ye but having double longstrider on your main gear is...

[nova gale]

you are strong

[rapid tide]

:^)

Even running some pvp trait thingie with mastery or sth...

And ye, won't matter as muchi n the end but going in progress with super shit tier traits feels bad on a personal level 😄

[nova gale]

Understandable

But in the end its about using mitigation properly and doing mechanics. Traits might give you a small benefit but it's not THAT important. So as long as you are comfortable playing the specc you will be more than fine

I mean I was using triple BoM and triple DC yesterday which is not exactly ideal in raids

[rapid tide]

😄

Oh ye, it will work out somehow.

[nova gale]

BoM still good but since you use avatar on cd for dmg you dont really keep it as a defensive

[rapid tide]

I mean tbh prot atm feels super good to me.

Like outside of heavy magic and dots I feel kinda invul

[old zephyr]

Most of the bosses that are supposed to be kited I facetank on "high" tyra with no issues (at least I did before thé raid oppening, haven't had Time to push yet)

[next goblet]

kings rest is just cancerous holy hell

[silk mortar]

Doesnt matter if fortified or tyra

Everything will fack ya upp

[next goblet]

in kings?

especially shadow of zul

im used to dpsing m+ during season one and now im tanking, i remember i always refused to do KR.. and i remember why now

[silk mortar]

Still fun dungeon though ;D

[next goblet]

i guess

bleh i got the gloves

but they're 10ilvl higher than my current

the crit/mas gloves*

[marble cipher]

For M raiding, progress, I should aim for some BfI and IF traits I guess?
Currently I'm just trying to get as many BoM's as possible for M+ 😄

[oblique garnet]

I would say 3x bom even in raids is good

then 1 dc 2bfi / 2IF

considering avatar is 40-50 sec cd

[marble cipher]

K, I thought BoM wasn't all that great in raids, good to know though, so I can generally just use the same gear/traits in raids and M+

IF edging out more towards the better all round raid/M+ trait compared to BfI I guess, since you shield slam less in M+, so IF has move value?

3 BoM + 1 DC + 1 BfI + 1 IF would be kinda good to have then?

[oblique garnet]

i wouldnt necessarily say you shield slam less in m+ but bfi is more st and if more aoe

[marble cipher]

kk, thanks!

[next goblet]

is DC still a mandatory trait?

or can i finally equip the shoulders that are 25 ilvl higher w/o DC?

[oblique garnet]

well yeah but thats not that big of an issue since you can get dc from basically every piece

[next goblet]

from season 1 lol

[oblique garnet]

if you have s2 azerite pieces they are better than your s1 390s

as 370

since they will have the 5th ring traits

[next goblet]

no they're still s1

haven't got any s2 yet

[oblique garnet]

you can switch to 390s

it wont matter that much

[next goblet]

i dont have the currency to buy it /cry

[old zephyr]

Only s2 il have Will force me to drop ilvl to gain à 2nd DC... Not that interesting for raids sadly

[copper pewter]

I don't see the Shadow of Elune trait mentioned anywhere, I assume that means it is not worth using? It's going up against Callous Reprisal

[upper spoke]

is it me, or was using our old vengeance talent around mid legion the most thought i had to put into rotation

eh early legion. EN era

[dull coral]

Any reason for my aoe deeps to feel really low now?

[oblique garnet]

first pug 10 with and it rewards me with this

[rough egret]

Gz

[oblique garnet]

actually managed to time 10 wm with people who had not done reaping before

[sick sentinel]

anyone here done heroic jaina

did not feel good as prot

👀

you can block the ice shard thingy yet magic damage dot cannot be mitigated it kinda sucks

yeah prot just doesn't have an answer to chilling touch

i havent done the fight on heroic tho in normal it was fine so dont know how high damage is

dk monk split was like EZ mode

prot was not a fun time

yeah possibly only bosses you might have problem with jaina and conclave

but im dark iron dwarf i can just delete bleeds on conclave so for me it was ez

honestly I don't think conclave is to bad

paku does nothing to you

its nuts

I think mechatorque will be a lot harder

most of his damage is nature

prot struggles with that

yeah we just taunted whenever we can

every 15 secs to deal with that

yeah it's not too bad

but on a monk it's a literal meme

same with dk, does really well at high stacks

yeaf well its only heroic and normal only struggle is first week yet damage on mythic might get hectic for dots for progression gotta see how that works out

but prot will have way better start now compared to uldir

[cobalt trellis]

hows your experience with reaping? dps or kite? or both, if possible? how much dps did you pull up for one wave, on average and max?

[oblique garnet]

180k max so far averaging around 100k with 30k or so hps

[cobalt trellis]

oof

[oblique garnet]

didnt really kite much

only times i died was when i didnt get dispelled fast enough

[cobalt trellis]

dispell every 8 seconds is enough i guess?

[oblique garnet]

idk

it ramps up pretty fast

in bigger pulls but yeah in general should be fine

it was just because the healer dispelled himself instead of me

[cobalt trellis]

ah ok

[marble cipher]

@sick sentinel why would monk be a meme on a fight with magic/nature damage?

[sick sentinel]

you can still stagger a lot of the damage coming in

not amazing, but much smoother than prot

[marble cipher]

I always felt prot warrior has better ways to deal with magic dmg due to IP and SR.
Stagger isn't all that efficient for magic tbf, but might still be better and just be feelycraft on my end

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

at like 7+ stacks

[summer kestrel]

Prot eats magic in the whole face

[sick sentinel]

prot has a very hard time

[summer kestrel]

And in huge chunks

[sick sentinel]

the nature damage off the hits reams you

and you cant do anything about it

except eat it to the face

and beg for externals

[marble cipher]

I guess I'll notice once I get to tank it at some point 😉

Might have to keep my BrM up to speed for some fights then...

[sick sentinel]

you'll get some weird overlaps that force you into the 10 stack range

I wish you luck

👌

[simple iris]

Spell Reflecting the fireball from jadefire mage is really applying debuff on him and dmging the raid when it ends?

[marble cipher]

According to tanknotes , yes

Haven't tested it myself

[old zephyr]

I confirme it apply the dot to the boss

Does the expiration Damage the raid, I haven't checked though

[simple iris]

hmm, thanks

[prisma pewter]

I didn't hear any complains from the healers regarding it, so I'm not completely sure

[old zephyr]

Mecatorque is NOT reflectable though

[simple iris]

Any secret tips for Conclave and Rasthakan?

[marble cipher]

I'm dorf for that fight, so stoneform kimbul bleed 👌

[old zephyr]

Conclave :
Kimbul is the hard one

Lust and tunnel him asap

[simple iris]

I imagined. u guys are swaping with 2 stacks?

[old zephyr]

Paku is à joke for us warrior

[simple iris]

Still we need to drop the haste buff at least one time, right?

around 30 stacks

[prisma pewter]

Not on Normal

[marble cipher]

We didn't

On. Hc

[old zephyr]

My cotank is à dwarf so I take 1 stack they take 2, racial the bleed away and take 3 more

[simple iris]

On HC

oh

I'm a draenei 😦

[old zephyr]

Paku I facetank like à tard and Block everything

I'm LfD

[marble cipher]

Paku, gonk, kimbul, akunda was our sequence btw

[simple iris]

Thanks for the info

[old zephyr]

Paku kimbul gonk akunda for us

[prisma pewter]

We went with Paku, Kimbul, gonk, akunda, because of the bleed from kimbul

[old zephyr]

Kimbul is the only one with anoying tank swap and ramping Damages

[astral crystal]

@sick sentinel at least on heroic, mekkatorque's damage is negligible as well

it's like ghuun pretty much

and he spends a lot of time just not autoing

jumping, casting, channeling

you're never really in any danger of dying

[light depot]

warri has really low EHRPS on this fight anyway, the better melee mitigation dominates the magic damage

maybe changes if you actually have to tank high stacks, but shouldn't happen

[sick sentinel]

Up until about 5 stacks, then you start taking hits of 40k and upwards of just raw nature damage

on mythic it will be very interesting

since you'l be forced to go up into the 10-15 stack range repeatedly

which is some giga nature damage

[astral crystal]

we did 10 stacks and i honestly didnt think it was a big deal i nterms of damage taken

again, it's moderately infrequent

but yeah mythic will be something to see

[sick sentinel]

The guild I am trialing in goes paku,gonk,kimbul(+bl),akunda

And does the frog always overlap the bird?

[wild sandal]

How are we supposed to handle the stacks at first boss, we were able to kill it but it seems I was moving the boss to. Much to avoid high stacks

I tried to spell reflect some but failed to drop the debuff

[sick sentinel]

Aren't you supposed to kite the stacks off when people are killing the adds?

I've been dpsing this week, save for some bosses and I haven't tanked HC yet

[steel mauve]

Spell reflect and running away during long casts

[quick lily]

what are the best azerite traits to take for raiding in 8.1?

i have crown of bloody succession but not sure which of the traits are most useful on it

[floral tinsel]

1xDC+1xBoM+ 4x(BFI/IF)

DC = deathening clash

[quick lily]

yeah i get that 😛

[floral tinsel]

BoM = bastion of might

kk 😃

[quick lily]

ty 😃

[oblique garnet]

i would argue against taking 4 bfi

[quick lily]

do i run the same for m+?

[oblique garnet]

No

3x BoM 1 Dc, 2Bfi/2IF

[floral tinsel]

@oblique garnet I guess.. but GL with finding a pice that has BFI in both outer and second outer ring

[steel mauve]

Bom isnt bis for raiding though

[floral tinsel]

I dont think there is any

1xBoM is great in raiding also

[steel mauve]

Out of all prot spec traits bom is behind em in raiding

[oblique garnet]

Not really

[floral tinsel]

Its essentilly gicing you a lot of mastery and rage (in form of an IP) for free

[sick sentinel]

Tbh, with 3 BoM pieces, avatar becomes another defencive CD

[oblique garnet]

^

[quick lily]

should i take bfi over bloodsport on head?

[floral tinsel]

and with Anger management you are spamming Avatar in raiding as well

[oblique garnet]

People downplay how massive the bom actually is

it has basically 50% uptime

[floral tinsel]

bloodsport is not bad, but its not bis

[oblique garnet]

considering avatar is 40-50sec cd

[steel mauve]

But increasing our survival outside of a cd is still better than increasing a cd, even been discussed by the theorycrafters here and in the guide they wrote

[quick lily]

so which should i run with on that part? bloodsport or bfi

[floral tinsel]

yeah... I am convincesd that a single BoM is BIS is raid

[sand egret]

i just swapped to 3x BoM and not gonna lie, 65% crit block rate is dope

[oblique garnet]

^

[floral tinsel]

In M+ you stack that BoM 😛

[sand egret]

principle applies to things that heavily auto/are blockable imho

but i dont raid so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

If you want to have the same gearset for m+ and raids, I would argue for the 3xBoM

If you want to be a pure raid tank

Follow what agent said

1dc, 1bom, and then 4(BfI/if)

[floral tinsel]

I got the Blockades chest from Normal... that BoM doing wonders for pushing HC

[quick lily]

also, should i take strength in numbers or blood siphon?

[oblique garnet]

strength in numbers is strong in m+

especially with reaping

[floral tinsel]

give me a sec.. need to check what strenght even does

[oblique garnet]

gives you hp per mobs around you

[floral tinsel]

its the one that gives max hp?

[oblique garnet]

caps at 5

ye

[floral tinsel]

ahh... yeah.. stay clear for raiding... decent in m+. My list from best to worst (raiding):

Crystalline C, Azerite Veins
Overwhelming Power
Ablative Shielding,  Winds of War
Blood Siphon
Earthlink
Shimmering Haven, Elemental Whirl, Strength in Numbers, Unstable Flames
Gutripper
Heed My Call,  Azerite Globules ```

[oblique garnet]

i have lost all faith in AV

[floral tinsel]

This is my order for middle tier

raiding

[sick sentinel]

AV is utter garbage

[oblique garnet]

there has been plenty of times when it doesnt proc at all in raid

^

[floral tinsel]

huh

[sick sentinel]

AV is good in 2 occasions

Islands

And solo stuff

[quick lily]

currently dont have anything with BoM on it unfortunately, wheres best to get one?