Well my major is video production and I’m ideally looking for a career in editing so it makes more sense for me
#protection
chilly brook
sand egret
haha yeah.....
primal crypt
Updated my profile pic too
chilly brook
I don’t know how accurate that statement is though, it seems like they haven’t had any issues with support for games
sand egret
real talk, in game dev we really prefer nvidia to amd
primal crypt
Someone complained that i looked too much like a potato
chilly brook
@primal crypt I see you’re trying to ride my profile picture change
oblique garnet
Change it yamo
primal crypt
I am griff
sharp lotus
Is final cut pro still the be all and end all for video editing? Kinda cornered by apple at that point
sand egret
mostly because it's just way easier to deal with nvidia
primal crypt
Mine mo betta
chilly brook
Ehhhhhh
oblique garnet
Yamo you cant use that youre goblin now
chilly brook
It seems premiere pro is pretty industry standard
primal crypt
Goblin is great
sharp lotus
ah okay
sand egret
dorfs are also tiny
oblique garnet
Lul alliance
Real talk
Actually had to turn off wm on my warrior for the first time since bfa launch
sand egret
that 400 ilvl quest
oblique garnet
Yup
sand egret
turns people into animals
chilly brook
Although really all the major editing software is pretty similar they all really do the same things
astral crystal
these brand loyalty arguments will die soon
sand egret
i was swapping my azerite traits and getting ganked lol
chilly brook
I’m fairly certain they wouldn’t be allowed to
Nor should any consumer want them to
oblique garnet
I was just minding my business dueling a mage and suddenly i got ganked by 50 alliances
chilly brook
Regardless of what brand you’d prefer
astral crystal
why wouldn't they be allowed to? there's no antiturst that'll stop that
sharp lotus
intel wont get approved due to monopoly. This isnt the first time the deal has gotten shot down.
chilly brook
It’d literally be the definition of a monopoly
oblique garnet
Why wouldnt monopoly be allowedB
astral crystal
antitrust laws, but that's subject to how much money is flowing in that direction
coughAMAZONcough
chilly brook
Single seller, high barrier of entry, price controlling
Amazon isn’t a monopoly tho
inland mesa
They dont have the monocle and cane to pull it off
chilly brook
eBay for example is a direct competitor
oblique garnet
If they really wanted to work around that they could just set up another company that does processors but make it shit quality so technically it isnt a monopoly
chilly brook
As is literally every other online retailer
astral crystal
amazon throttles markets at will, they might not formally be a material monopoly in terms of total asset acquisition, but they sure behave like one
oblique garnet
Also im pretty sure they arent the only 2 companies actually making processors
chilly brook
Consumer processors yes
sharp lotus
It has to do with the specific market though
chilly brook
What other processor do you have access to for your own PC?
astral crystal
ying-wei commiecore str8 out of china
round vortex
What’s the general consensus on BOM?
chilly brook
Lmao
round vortex
I didn’t initially think of it as toooo strong for raids
old zephyr
Extra mastry for 20 sec pretty nice
oblique garnet
3x BoM = 1.6k mastery on 40-50sec cd + nearly 60k ip
round vortex
Although the mastery seems pretty legit
old zephyr
ESPECIALLY if you can stack it
round vortex
Yeah I was thinking of waiting for a second before I took it
old zephyr
with 3 high level BoM and a mastery oriented gear, we can make the meme build live again
chilly brook
@astral crystal for some reason this came to mind when you said that https://open.spotify.com/track/1qowUCis8gYY9KOMuy8fCi?si=lOKv-G1HT0-8DqOUa8k0mg
oblique garnet
I got unlucky on my m0 world tour and only got one piece with bom and 1 random trait😪
round vortex
I got 2 pieces and both were shoulders 😦 haven’t done world tour yet
old zephyr
do we actully want to do a M0 tour and downgrade our 390 for 375s?
oblique garnet
Yes
oblique garnet
Well 370 unless youre neck 40
sharp lotus
you can stack bom?
oblique garnet
Yup
chilly brook
Same difficulty as before tho yea?
oblique garnet
Eh
sharp lotus
no
honest acorn
~30% more difficult
oblique garnet
Didnt feel a difference
round vortex
All dungeons are 30% harder now
oblique garnet
Was basically pull all anyways
oblique garnet
Because the ilvl has gone up?
round vortex
Because gear is about 30% better?
chilly brook
Did they bump up heroic dungeon loot as well?
sharp lotus
yes
chilly brook
Ah
sharp lotus
even timewalking as well
gloomy summit
Guys, quick question
Is Jes' Howler is still one of the best dungeon trinkets for prot?
chilly brook
Well that makes sense then
oblique garnet
No jes is hot garbage
chilly brook
I wish we didn’t have this ilvl creep
oblique garnet
Way too long cd
chilly brook
I wanna go back to a time when I actually knew my BiS
round vortex
^^^^^^
sharp lotus
embrace the chaos, go purely off ilvl
chilly brook
Preach’s video on gear the other day was on point
old zephyr
Rezan is bae.
chilly brook
Is it weird that when I’m playing my warrior I start blasting some Viking music?
gloomy summit
Welp fuck, thanks
Just had it drop from TD
Gonna keep on rocking the blockades then
chilly brook
Jes honestly isn’t bad
gloomy summit
I thought it was mandatory Griff
chilly brook
What ilvl did you get?
gloomy summit
Regular mythic, 370
chilly brook
If you’re not concerned about dying I’d run it over blockades
outer dew
Jes is not as miserable as Late makes it out to be
chilly brook
Not even close lol
sand egret
oof Jes
chilly brook
It’s a solid trinket
sand egret
still got my 395 in my bank
i fucking hate that trinket with a passion of a thousand suns
old zephyr
I tried it, I sold it
sharp lotus
i dont understand why it breaks bread with your whole group. It seems like its stretched too thin.
chilly brook
You still get a large chunk
But the group aspect is part of what makes it a decent trinket to begin with imo
gloomy summit
I might give it a spin though
signal plover
Jes is fine imo
chilly brook
Try it, if you don’t like it no skin off your back for not using it
sharp lotus
at 370 it would be like 1% dmg reduction from vers, wouldnt it? Assuming the value is equally split.
old zephyr
Nah It's like 7+%
chilly brook
It’s not equally split
sharp lotus
oh
chilly brook
You get the majority as the trinket user
sharp lotus
yeah then fuck it, if its 7% that shit will reflect on your IP too
chilly brook
Like a very large majority
It splits among you and the group, but you get a set amount back per each friendly that gets vers
old zephyr
It's good on Bigpull.
sick sentinel
is blood siphone really better than ablative shielding?
old zephyr
I just don't feel my Bigpulls align well with its CD
sharp lotus
I was thinking more of a spell damage defensive with IP
chilly brook
@sick sentinel what does the guide say?
sick sentinel
the IV guide?
chilly brook
Yes
sick sentinel
it says it is,. but i think that has to be shit
chilly brook
Lmao
sick sentinel
but ablative is also shiot
chilly brook
Take it up with Marok then
sick sentinel
they should buff it or something lol
chilly brook
Since he wrote it
sick sentinel
im not saying hes wrong
every hit reduced the armor from ablative
and its proc chance is abysmal
naive panther
Ablative is semi ok for tanks that have lower armor outside am
chilly brook
Unfortunately a lot of the traits are just straight lackluster
But that’s the nature of the game
naive panther
Proc chance?
chilly brook
When you have a convoluted system
sick sentinel
i like the gemhide one
naive panther
It procs when you hit 40%
chilly brook
And have options just for options sake
chilly brook
More options does not always equal better
sick sentinel
40* or wait actually its got a 30 sec icd right?
naive panther
Yes
sick sentinel
oh yeah thats lame
chilly brook
Tbf we don’t spend a lot of time near 40%
chilly brook
Vengeance is straight paper
naive panther
Yeah we know
chilly brook
I’m surprised they didn’t receive any real tuning
That’s probably the most unappealing thing about them for me
naive panther
I got to mekkatorque and almost done without issues with vengeance except 1 fight
Akuna aspect ate me
chilly brook
I swear blizz just doesn’t understand how to tune tanks
naive panther
Well veng has little utility for raid and lacks any survival cooldowns on top of being paper
lucid burrow
didn't have an issue on conclave last night, but it was normal though
naive panther
So yeah they failed
100k each melee hit feels good
While you still have bleed ticks
lucid burrow
gonk's wild maul was joke and kimbul's claw required a little more attention
uneven mason
Sacrifice harder.
lucid burrow
King fight was a shit show in p4
anyone have issues dropping sacred blade stacks on first boss as prot?
chilly brook
I guess one could say that sacrificing everything including armor wasn’t a good idea
TBH I’d like to see DHs get a system similar to monks for demon spikes where using resources speeds up the cooldown of spikes
By like a lot
sand egret
should be soul cleave's actual use
chilly brook
It just doesn’t make sense to have a spec that’s so reliant on their AM and have it be so sparse
Meanwhile we have specs like BrM that can just be like “AM? What’s that?”
Speaking of DH I wonder how some of the blood elf heritage stuff would look with some of their gear
quick lily
are there any must have addons for prot war?
chilly brook
Weak auras
Boss mods
Some sort of UI mod to at least let you move everything
If not replace it all
quick lily
whats the best panel addon ?
chilly brook
Those are the 3 that I’d say are required
sand egret
the weak auras that are in the guides section are great. Although, I don't use any addons really and it hasnt held me back
it's very much what you want out of it
chilly brook
Best panel addon?
lucid glen
So, I haven't tanked on my warrior in a couple years and I find myself subbing in for a tank in normal BoD.... help
sand egret
if you struggle to keep up SB, then a SB WA may be super helpful, etc.
i'd read the guides @lucid glen
chilly brook
@lucid glen #268491842637660160
sand egret
then ask any specific questions not covered. Also, check out Panth's Tanknotes page. It's slick AF and is up to date with BoD stuff
quick lily
like for changing the visual on nameplates etc
lucid glen
I did, I was hoping there'd be BoD specific stuff
chilly brook
Oh I use threatplates
signal plover
sand egret
pluggin this because it's straight 🔥
lucid glen
I didn't even see that link, I must be blind thanks guys. Wish my group luck lol
sand egret
gl
signal plover
Those are both the same link btw 😁
astral crystal
goddamn
we were switching kimbul at 1-2 stacks
what order did you guys do them in? we did gonk > kimbul > pa'kun > akunda
since pa'kun doesn't do anything
and gives mages a mini lust
dreamy owl
inland mesa
Gonk paku kimball akunda is what we did
sand egret
apparently the 2nd debuff Bwom gives you if you fail to time a key in M+ removes the Sated debuff so you can lust again
TIL
inland mesa
Only get it when you fail a key I believe
inland mesa
Oh, that I didn't know
dusk locust
the buff the conclave bosses give to each other on death applies only to the aspect right
inland mesa
Reaping is so much better than infested, we died 3 times and still timed the 10 key by 4 mins lol
inland mesa
Believe its just aspect
sand egret
@dusk locust the debuff is the removal of your sated debuff (and prevents you from getting it I believe)
so talk the first time = 20% buffs, talk the 2nd time = remove your Sated. At least, according to what people are saying so a bit of cum grano salis on this one
noble solar
What is our best and worst boss in dazaralor?
chilly brook
Best: mostly physical damage
chilly brook
Worst: mostly magic or bleed
noble solar
is jaina to us like krosus was to us at NH?
chilly brook
Don’t know the specifics of the new raid yet so couldn’t tell you
noble solar
my anus is still sore from krosus
chilly brook
But the above guidelines should be able to let you deduce the answer
chrome falcon
bursting is such a yikes atm holy shit
cloud hound
we go for ilvl or 5th ring?
nocturne plover
maggots in UR are insta wipe if you dont stagger
steel mauve
At least we can block jainas ice bolt 👌
prisma night
so does anyone know why we can get "lord admiral's signet" from jaina, but have no way of even using the set bonus since the other piece is an AGI sword??
like the fuck is blizzard doing
vocal nimbus
doesnt stormwall blockade have like a shitton of hp 🤔
sand egret
rings don't have main stat but weapons do? sounds like a case of personal FOMO and less legit reason to complain
10% slow gets overridden by TClap and the auto-attack hit is minimal at best as well
thin ore
When I get automatic IP from Bastion of Might, does that IP get bonusess from Bloodsport?
sand egret
shoulda, ya
chilly brook
It should
long tinsel
How is bastion of might?
sand egret
awesomesaus in M+
long tinsel
Top trait for M+ would you say?
sand egret
arguably yeah
some people were dropping DC for the 3rd in 8.0 for reference. I personally run 2x BoM and 1x DC
scarlet vortex
hey sorry if asked before, where do you get the 400/415 recipe for engineering helm?
prisma night
@sand egret it's not even a good set bonus, i agree. its just sloppy af
if I can get a piece of loot with a set bonus on it from personal loot, specifically chosen for that specs loot table i should atleast be able to use it
sand egret
well, this a) isn't new and b) that's very much a personal problem tbh. The ring is 100% useable as that is how rings are designed currently. I'm sure there's a completionist argument to be had in respect to the WoW demographic but ultimately I don't see a problem with it.
prisma night
whens the last time this happened
stark sage
they could just lock the ring to agi only 🙃
sick sentinel
I don't think it's a good thing either lol
prisma night
could've made the sword swap to str
sick sentinel
Just make another ring
prisma night
its a non issue but it doesn't make it not sloppy
sick sentinel
I don't really care about it
But getting a set item upgrade for a set that would be a huge downgrade
That's a monkaS
stark sage
i like asymmetry in gear lke this case, it gives some loot specs a bit of flavor
if there was a similar set for everyone it would be boring
sand egret
yeah it's 100% a flavor thing
final mist
The sets aren't meant to be DPS increases or "must haves", they're just flavor.
Which is fine.
prisma night
or a lack of flavor in our case
we see the ring, hey thats neat flavor
oh wait
we cant
sick sentinel
I have my reasons to not like them, but none of them are "I don't get the set"
stark sage
it diminishes the flavor
final mist
It's nice to have things like that - I got Coinage Stampers last night, they have a hidden effect where when you jump, coins come out of the ground.
I had no idea until I wore them.
sand egret
that's sick
stark sage
like 30s shorter or something
sick sentinel
What even is their racial
sand egret
that's like a 3rd of their cooldown
stark sage
removes movement imparing effects
sand egret
removes snares/roots
oblique garnet
gnomes have racial ? o.O
sick sentinel
That's barely useful in pve
final mist
The rage is a passive, their active is moment impairing removal.
prisma night
but who cares right? just flavor
final mist
Which is flavor.
There's another set that increases movement speed while in Zuldazar - more flavor.
sand egret
oh i meant rage as in outrage
final mist
I don't see the reason to be upset over it, everyone has access to some neat little perks that don't really affect combat
prisma night
who's upset?
stark sage
what does the set do even, i havnt looked at it
sick sentinel
does impassive vissage stack?
sick sentinel
cool i was worried it didnt
sand egret
and people can find a "reason" to be upset about a lot of things. However, adding a bonus to an already controversial racial would probably raise some eyebrows haha
sick sentinel
Escape artist probably shares a small icd with regular trinket
So why is it a big deal
sick sentinel
you guys know if apothecarys concotion works on absorbs lol?
If anything, it's very easy to make the aura straight up just not work in arena or bg
sand egret
that is a possible solution, yes.
sick sentinel
curioius if its worth taking since absorbs are categorized as heals kinda
sand egret
i think its fantastic, personally
sick sentinel
not for dps
stark sage
it is pretty damn awsome as a dps
prisma night
it fixes having trouble finding certain traits for me so far
sand egret
i feel like its amazing for dps
sick sentinel
constantly having to sim every piece because 1 piece may change y9our whole setup
due to traits etc
stark sage
good, i would rather not be hardlocked into the same setup for 6 months
sand egret
tis the burden of min/maxing
sick sentinel
its just too complex
prisma night
its not super intuitive, i can get behind that part
sick sentinel
i liked needing hit cap or expertise cap or both
sand egret
....
prisma night
ehhhhh
sick sentinel
having a goal that makes sense
stark sage
that's worse than azerite min maxing
sand egret
you are one strange cookie
sick sentinel
and gearing that made sense
sand egret
hit cap was so dumb and unintuitive lol
stark sage
what doesnt make sense, you see the value of traits and pick the ones that are ideal
sick sentinel
not really;. at/over cap and get an amazing upgrade with a lot of hit"? chance a piece out for one without it
prisma night
it was tedious to get it perfect
sand egret
but how does one know that the hitcap exists?
prisma night
thats why the addons existed
stark sage
except when you are carrying around 20 pieces of gear so you can try and get as close to on cap as possible
prisma night
so it wasnt intuitive at all
sand egret
the answer: you don't
final mist
🤔
sick sentinel
not me i just got a piece from M0 and it changed literlaly everthing for fury haha
im now doing 200+ more dps
i guess i wish the traits that sound good are actually good, or best
oblique garnet
370s with 5th trait > 390s with 4 traits
oblique garnet
my guild looked at me like i was crazy when i told them that
and then people started simming
oblique garnet
ended up having to do the m0 WT alone bymyself and now everyone else is following in my footsteps
oblique garnet
need to do couple more 10s to get that sweet rank 1 spot back again
sand egret
Trait stacking is pretty easy to tell
if the value goes up with ilvl it stacks
ex: Deafening Crash. Damage increases but the CDR component remains static.
how you can do hit/expertise cap math on the fly without addons but can't pick that up.... /shrug
storm isle
what are you doing with your titan Residium?
hoary prairie
whats good for damage in mythic+, stacking deafening crash worthwhile?
oblique garnet
yes and no
3x BoM is literally best for m+
Then you want 1 DC and 2 BFI/IF
Or if you just wanna sacrifice everything for maximum clappage you go 3x DC
austere oar
Legendary belt from Legion is so stupid lmao in TW
uneven mason
3x BoM 1DC 2x IF
uneven mason
BFI is weaker in damage for M+ because the majority of your time is spent on trash, and BFI's DPS benefit is single target.
tiny mason
I got a question and i hope o get short and clear answer please
I play BrM currently and asking if prot warr will be a good choice to go for. (BoD mythic)
sick sentinel
@austere oar OMG I forgot I can use legendaries bc I’ve skipped TW the last several times. You, my friend, are BiS for reminding me!
yes prot is strong for BoD
uneven mason
@tiny mason Uh, that's more personal preference? Prot is strong, BrM continues to be autopilot the tank
sick sentinel
most of the important part you can actualy block except maybe conclave bleed hurts
uneven mason
You will still get wreckt by mechanics if you don't watch your CDs, although no where near as bad as it was prior to our buffs
tiny mason
Prot is strong but BrM in uldir was so op
sick sentinel
Listen man. You yell and smash faces with your shield as Prot. Go ahead and reroll bb
tiny mason
I look for strong tank and something u think while playing not boring as BrM autopilot
uneven mason
theres OP because the class is strong and then theres OP because you literally have nearly zero difference between a player pressing buttons and a player drooling on their keyboard 😄
sick sentinel
prot has problems with dots and bleeds and there is only one boss that has bleeding damage and it isnt as bad as zul mythic bleed afaik
sharp lotus
lol this brainlette presses shield slam, not thunderclap
sick sentinel
but i have only seen heroic bleed damage so idk really
and the guy didnt ask if brm is fun or not he asked if prot will be good or not
sick sentinel
this discord isnt about trashing other specs its about helping people
tiny mason
astral crystal
@sick sentinel yeah i was having issues with the bleed and all the overlapping dmg
so we just decided to kill kimbul second
worked out fine
sharp lotus
last xpack there was plenty of guardian druid hate here
sick sentinel
i tanked grong and tbh with blocking that smash doesnt hurt at all
uneven mason
mmhmm
sick sentinel
easily can take 2 stacks if the combo is 3 smash in a row
most tanks cant do it
or need external
tiny mason
Even monk? @sick sentinel
uneven mason
Monks have issues with taking their entire health pool in 1 shot
sick sentinel
idk my co-tank was dk and he was having hard time with 2 smash in a row
i just blocked it no damage but with 2 stacks 3rd one is oneshot for sure
uneven mason
Stagger does have its limits
sick sentinel
maybe with wall up and shout + external
uneven mason
DKs are made of paper though
tiny mason
10x your hp
lament urchin
our DK tank got took a second smash to the face (on purpose) and get wrecked
uneven mason
Like, I really feel it my last week on our Uldir alt runs
lament urchin
i hate a full combo of the bleed and lived with only poping last stand
normal
ate*
uneven mason
Well
sick sentinel
yeah thats why its having 2 tanks with difference strong types
uneven mason
*normal
sick sentinel
like a dk + prot warr
uneven mason
Yup
sick sentinel
one can take huge hits other can deal with bleeds and dots
sick sentinel
yeah pally + warr is cool imo
lament urchin
our GM wants a Brm but i'm having too much fun on my prot warrior to switch
sharp lotus
in order the beat the moonkey you need to become the moonkey.
uneven mason
Kaggs tell them that there is literally no reason to have a BrM over a prot warrior
unless you think your tank is an idiot
...
sorry
sick sentinel
Brm isnt crazy strong yet its alot forgiving for progress
lament urchin
it doesn't help that on fights like oculence i'm pulling better numbers than half the dps
uneven mason
RIP
sick sentinel
its good tank but seriously all tanks are fine just couple is easier for progression then others
sand egret
postponing damage is ver strong
hushed cobalt
has anyone done a kings rest 10 or higher this week?
tiny mason
For safe and ez mode, BrM wins
lament urchin
lol i am the tank so i would like to think i'm not but i have my days
lament urchin
yeah we aren't and thats what i have brought up
signal plover
Does your GM like to pretend you are?
silk moat
8.1 Prot Warrior is my first venture into tanking. I’ve been messing around with a newly 120 BrM, and it’s very different. I feel like a spectator to the fight. It’s nice though for kiting and some other things. I feel a bit more “calm”(?) playing BrM whereas with Prot I feel like I’m strapped into a wild ride until the M+ is over.
sand egret
tbh the benefits of BrM in the first X pulls where you don't know damage patterns
lament urchin
yesterday was my first time taking over as a tank and he seemed to like the DK prot warrior combo
sick sentinel
if someone is playing sub rogue tell them go assa
if someone playing demonology tell them go affli
uneven mason
😡 warlocks who insist on playing Demo
sand egret
@silk moat that's because by default they have risk mitigation built in
silk moat
I think BRM is a good place to be if you’re trying to figure out mechanics in a dungeon for sure. It’s not as hectic. But I do I prefer Prot because it’s more fun and engaging.
uneven mason
"You're being beat by the disc priest in burst phases" BUT MAH IMPYBOYS
sand egret
it's a fundamentally less hectic spec
sick sentinel
its rewarding yet punishing prot i mean
silk moat
Yeah for sure
lament urchin
is their a trinket section because i got the Gem from oculence and from what i've read it says its the best survivabilty trinket but it seem a little lack luster :/
sick sentinel
its great damage if played well but one miss-placed block might be your death
sand egret
^ and is the reason I play the spec, tbh
silk moat
Yeah. I started out as a Prot for tank, and I ducked up A LOT
Wiped the group anlot
Not knowing when to block or IP or how to work in a last stand etc
lament urchin
yeah there have been pulls where the healer is like wow prot doesn't take damage and then times where they are like is your gear broken lol
sand egret
the debuff most likely
sick sentinel
rezan bleed is high damage
uneven mason
I had never had an issue with Rezan before
right...literally did him on a +14 and didn't feel squishy
sick sentinel
i always try to keep shout up during that
sand egret
it's pretty much the only damage spike he has
sick sentinel
depends on the healer aswell
sick sentinel
yeah disc is great
uneven mason
no prevenative burbles to make me feel more hunky
sharp lotus
I dont know, I think that a good prot warrior would easily be able to compensate for a bad healer on that boss.
sick sentinel
well monk aswell but different kind of healing
uneven mason
Oh I did
its just I actually had to work for my meal
by "I felt squishy" I meant "I saw a perceptable drop in my health bar on occasion"
when you get used to being at 90+% almost the entire time
lament urchin
i agree i feel rewarded and good when i do a good job tanking on my war... Brm i am just trying to stay awake alot of the time
silk moat
Season 1 was a shit show for me. I +2 timed a 12, a bunch of 10’s, but couldn’t time some 7’s.
silk moat
Underrot was my toughest dungeon. The worms before 2nd boss induced many quitters
lament urchin
the thirds boss in motherload hit me suspiciously hard yesterday that it caught me off gaurd
sharp lotus
I didnt know that the puddles moved in the direction they were originally sprayed, no matter the direction she faces when clearing them and that shit almost killed me
last week
silk moat
So I hear that we dominate reaping pretty well
uneven mason
👢 🍵 👏
silk moat
LOS the trash and then just clap
sharp lotus
no avatar?
sand egret
@lament urchin prot-tip on that boss: you can reflect Chemical Burn on her for some phat deeps AND avoiding the nasty dot. Also don't bother with shield block and just IP. she doesn't shoot phys damage
uneven mason
spell reflect big boy kaboom
silk moat
Yes avatar
uneven mason
always avatar
sharp lotus
what the
sand egret
hardest part about Avatar is learning to not pop it towards the end of the pack and save it for the next.
my selfcontrol is awful
silk moat
I shouldn’t type that Incase devs are reading
dusk locust
well if you clap one time and average dps over a split second sure why not 😛
silk moat
Cuz I’m a big bad newbie
So if I can do that...
Yeah. For sure. It’s not sustained but I deleted the trash
tropic star
di kings rest with reaping and was aweful
sharp lotus
bursting delete you
tropic star
so many caster adds spamming % health
uneven mason
reaping adds don't cause bursting
sharp lotus
o
uneven mason
👍
sand egret
nor bolster etc.
sharp lotus
someone told me they were bolstering on ptr
lament urchin
@sand egret thanks yeah i was trying different things and realized ip was helping alot more was just strange because i never had that issue before thanks for the tips love seeing dps get flustered cause tank is beating them >)
uneven mason
My DPS don't ghet flustered anymore
they just accept
that I will probably beat them
and embrace it
lament urchin
the raid was funny with people coming back and seeing a prot warrior top dps for 90% of trash pulls had them going WTF
vocal elm
On Warcraft Logs what does TMI and Eff. TMI stand for?
silk moat
I love Uldir trash
lament urchin
does anyone know a good spot for info on prot warrior trinkets?
lament urchin
kk i've checked them out but hadn't really seen anything else to try and compare
silk moat
Xalzaix Eye, Rezan’s Eye. Vial. Knot. Those are/were good trinkets for us
Before the new season
I haven’t looked at the newest ones yet
lament urchin
i got the Diamond laced prism and it says its #1 for us for survive
silk moat
But I love running Xalzaix for the 40% shield. Super handy for pugging mythic. And vial for strength on demand
I’ve heard the same but haven’t looked at it at all
Can someone post a pic of it?
silk moat
Looks good. Although everything I have boosts haste not Vers.
sand egret
Yeah Kaggs, that boss "auto attacks' with Fire damage so SB is not useful. Dumping into IP then SR every other Chemical Burn helps. Another trick is that for ones you can't reflect, you can offload it to a dps (it targets the two closets targets)
lament urchin
yeah i'm still trying to get a Rezzan
keen galleon
I'm really excited about the Ramping Amplitude Gigavolt Engine
It lines up perfectly with every 2nd avavar
Avatar*
silk moat
I love this trinket, it has helped tremendously for my personal play. I highly recommend it.
sharp lotus
Arent we supposed to avoid automated safety nets generally?
silk moat
Idk. Maybe so. I just know that once I started using it I was able to do much better in m+
lament urchin
i've been bad and since i've been arms/fury i have had zero tank trinkets so iv'e been tanking with dps trinkets
silk moat
It’s short cooldown of 2 minutes is great
It gives your healers a moment of respite if you pull to big, which let’s be honest, is all Prot warriors do
sand egret
imho, there's a few diff viewpoints but I think the predominant sentiment is that it's not really useful because its a) based on a requirement of basically dying which usually means that b) something probably coulda been done to prevent that. In the process you're giving up value of a trinket that has use during the whole fight, not just on mistakes.
lament urchin
yeah i feel over confident some times because the aoe dps is so strong
silk moat
Gotta be #1 on the dps chart
40% happens
Because of or lack of magic damage resistance ?
sand egret
we got 20% on a 25 sec cooldown
silk moat
I’m not an expert or a theory crafter but.... it’s saved my ass many times
sand egret
that's pretty solid
silk moat
That’s all I can say
sand egret
i'm sure it does, not saying it won't. It's more of an opportunity cost thing really
like if you go through a fight never dropping to 40% you basically wasted a slot
etc.
as Prot who by nature doesn't really spike in damage, it's a bit more obvious
silk moat
Sure. I’m sure I could do more DPS with a better trink. I have a 390 Rezans Eye that I usually sit in favor of Xalzaix 380
sand egret
but yeah, it's your toon though so if it works it works
I personally, like those trinkets too, but to each their own
silk moat
👍
tropic star
so when is prot aoe nerf coming?
when tanks are beating dps on opulence and champions people may start to think its a bit op
lament urchin
i think its justified seeing as the other tanks bring more utility than us
we get dps they get utility
win win
warm plinth
I mean...is champion really a good example? A tank AoEing 3 targets the entire fight while DPS are ST half the time? That's not really comparable.
lament urchin
i mean Blood dk's where out healing healers and they didn't nerf them...
uneven mason
@tropic star #1 world DPS on Zul for months was a prot warrior, don't think we've got anything to worry about
They literally saw what we have been doing and went ok uh...Here is BoM, MAKE THEM PIGGIES SQUEEL
uneven mason
we don't have grips, or ranged interrupts, we don't have burbles or beer that lets us cheese mechanics, we BRING SOME THUNDER ASS D P S
triple bom IFx2 1DC
tropic star
thtas wat i was running last nigt lol
uneven mason
gonna let the paladin tank the oss on champions next week
tropic star
then got crown off opulence
uneven mason
I had mine on adds
tropic star
so i chimed in with 'i am going o go pad meters on adds'
tropic star
yeah
crystal night
why do so many high ranking warriors have crit trinkets?
is that just becuase they are going for max damage and not survivability?
crystal night
this entier patch and previous patch haste mastery/ haste/verse has been pounded into my skull
have i been wrong this whole time?
uneven mason
No
so lets clarify
All of our stats are insanely close
haste leads to the best damage smoothing
sharp lotus
Crit gives parry, on bosses like the tree man in WM you can completely negate high stacks
uneven mason
but is actually more or less the weakest for raw damage reduction
crystal night
thats seems like a very low chance to rely on not resetting his stacks
sharp lotus
What do you mean?
crystal night
relying on a , 12% ish chance to parry
uneven mason
wait wait wait
crystal night
if hes at 20 stacks, you dont parry, you could get rinsed right then and there right?
lets say u dont block or parry
or dont crit block and dont parry
uneven mason
So, back to crit https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/533375929779617812/unknown.png
sharp lotus
I am not stacking crit, I have 35% parry when I use the trinket. And I do not use it for this, I just saw Sense do it
uneven mason
^^
thats in Uldir tho
my RA swaps to crit
so I have like 50%+ parry
but outside its still rather high (30%ish)
tropic star
i use knot because it lines up more or less with avatar
uneven mason
in a vacuum crit is our #1 damage reduction stat
tropic star
which leads to the mega booty clap
tropic star
in m
tropic star
in m+ with time between packs you pretty much have knot and avatar for openers together
uneven mason
So Scottie its not wrong
rich pond
Question about tanking champions of light... can you spell reflect the debuff and just solo tank boss without swapping or kiting?
tropic star
i tend to prefer str stat trinkts with 2ndary procs rater than orher way around
uneven mason
that haste > mast >= vers > crit
crystal night
so should we start going for crit more?
tropic star
but hen again im crafting the alchemy trinket
uneven mason
No, you should use whatever has the highest ilvl
crystal night
that6 alch trinket makes me wanna go ALCH too
tropic star
i swapped to alchemy and blacksmithing due to the way they are doing it
so i can create 3x 400 peices this week
sharp lotus
Personally, I am still stuck with the blockades deck, cant get anything to drop
tropic star
and can recraft the armor for perfect haste rolls
tropic star
anyone know the PPM on alch trinket
uneven mason
Prot can self clear stacks
even just leaping out at 4s to go will clear stacks
(they reapply at ~4 or 5s left)
rich pond
Got it. So just leap at 4/5 and I’ll skip the next hit?
keen galleon
There's a 72hr CD on faction changes?
I'm trying to work out if swapping for 2x 400 ilevel drops is worthwhile or not
modern brook
Any advice on moving adds in champion of light?
open bluff
72 hours yeah, so it'll take you 6 days to go back
used to cause some sort of issue with raid lockouts too, but i'm not sure if that's been removed
weak phoenix
Why would it take you 6 days to go back
You faction change now, you can go back in 3 days
weak phoenix
Luv u
open bluff
but for some reason i hit 6
it's all those hits to the head i take as a warrior when i'm not drunk off my ass on my brm
modern brook
Its cause 6 is 2 3s
daring marlin
@tropic star 1ppm
astral crystal
i'll give u 1ppm
daring marlin
chaos bolt
blazing condor
Soooo what azerite should prot warrs have form the new raid?
uneven mason
no raid specific one
priority didn't change
1xDC -stack as many BFI/IF, BS is pretty good too
blazing condor
So no treacherous covenant?
unkempt fox
so i got season 1 azerite from the incursion well played blizz
true plover
I am seeing that the icy veins guide has our traits listed like this for M+
Deafening Crash (you only want one of these)
Bastion of Might
Iron Fortress
Brace for Impact
Bloodsport
Callous Reprisal
Where does DC fall after we already have 1?
shut summit
its good but solely dps for aoe
typically would want other traits if you had the option
true plover
I have either DC or Ancient's Bulwark to go with on this darkshore helm so wasn't sure.
lucid kelp
huh
lunar remnant
Not sure if this is the right thread to ask abou Dazar 'alor. I started tankiong it last night, first boss I can't figure out how and when the stacks drop. Any advice?
lucid kelp
I got a 400 Helm that has BFI in the first tier and DC in the second tier
Ructurus the stacks Dont Drop.
true plover
@lucid kelp Same one I got
lucid kelp
the goal is to not let them build up
also I havent fully checked but is it just BFI Bloodsport? after you have 1 DC?
or is bloodsport still bad?
unkempt fox
kite for a bit when he is casting a long cast and they drop
also you can spell reflect the cast
lucid kelp
oh you mean the thing he stacks on you...ye that just sorta fell off on its own for me
sand egret
word on the street is to leap ~4-5 seconds to get the reset
but I defer as I've not tanked it
warm plinth
If you read the new tanknotes, it recommends kiting/waiting for a long cast and kiting to drop stacks. A lot easier than tank swapping 3 targets.
sand egret
(someone asked that a few lines up)
hushed cobalt
i wanted to try, but hte pug group i was in were testy and fidgety, can you reflect the Ghostly Death cast from Bwonzombies?
patent flower
I like my prot warrior right now more than the dk
It seems very useful in this raid. Mobility/Physical dmg mitigation is best in the game
4/6h so far
4/9*
lucid kelp
prot's always bheen fun to me.
sand egret
yup
sand egret
the ol' non fav main
patent flower
Yep
Ive been blood for a decade
boring af
from the time it was dps until icc when it became a tank spec.
sand egret
some of us were tanking as DKs before ICC 😃
patent flower
I tanked as frost but I liked blood dps
sand egret
warrior has been a sleeper in BFA
patent flower
stacking armor pen...mmm
sand egret
less punishing, yes. We're pretty much just as effective as we were in 8.0. We're just being seen now
patent flower
Yeah, warrior has a lower skill floor/higher ceiling than the other tanks in my opinion.
sand egret
comes with the "proactive" mitigation territory
patent flower
yeah
sand egret
we're the only tank that is 100% proactive
patent flower
Yep
sand egret
everyone else is 50/50
kind prairie
been out of the loop for a bit, I hear prot is amazing?
patent flower
It is the most interactive/fun tank in the game. If you find a challenge to be fun.
All the other tanks are reactive and have very simple rotations/mechanics.
kind prairie
I was real heavy into it in legion, played 8.0 some, and kinda stopped playing all together. My rDrood friend says prot warrior is doing well and is trying to get me to come back.
outer dew
I mean
neon tangle
@patent flower Prot doesn't exactly have a "complex" rotation
sick sentinel
It doesn't
patent flower
Timing of abilities and mitigation is a lot more engaging.
outer dew
It's nothing excessive where you're in a whole nother world
sick sentinel
Because u actually have to press more than 2 buttons as prot
neon tangle
BDK has more a more dynamic / "complex" rotation with managing BS charges, runes, RP
patent flower
Monks have everything baked in and then just purify stagger...dks just take dmg and heal it...ezpz
sand egret
not to get semantical here but the use of "rotation" is incorrect here
patent flower
You not wrong
outer dew
I never said rotation. Smh
sand egret
i'm sure some will argue that SB itself has a "rotation" with Bolster, but that's diff
never said ya did
ya dingus
patent flower
I should have said playstyle...not rotation
sand egret
🤓 yep!
outer dew
You either like tanking or you dont
neon tangle
@patent flower I'm still going to say that prot doesn't have the most complex or dynamic playstyle amongst the current tanks
outer dew
It's nothing really special
sick sentinel
Listen
naive panther
Lol warrior rotation is pretty basic
sand egret
inb4 "wow isn't complex"
and we get into some dumb subjective argument about what is "complex"
kind prairie
thanks for the input all. I just remember being very not happy with prot at the beginning, and had been hearing good things. I suppose it's about the same.
sick sentinel
Ur either going to like prot warrior or ur not
sand egret
it feels closer to Legion
outer dew
Tbf
sand egret
specifically the IP off the GCD part
kind prairie
@sand egret I loved my legion warrior
sand egret
I personally didn't mind it on it, but yeah it should be closer to what you remember
outer dew
With some ilvl prot does feel better
sand egret
just remember that IP doesn't trump SB on most things
sand egret
unlike in Legion where you could just IP dump for days
outer dew
You might feel like a squishy bitch
patent flower
Idk, I play dk, monk, warrior and pali at a pretty high level and can say from my perspective that you can take a shit player and they will inherently be better on dk/monk than warrior because of the core mechanics of those classes.
outer dew
You'll feel fine with ilvl
kind prairie
Good to know NoGaming.
sand egret
early prot (like pre-360) is rough
outer dew
Shield was a huge thing
kind prairie
THAT is good to know
neon tangle
@patent flower There's a difference between skill floor and complexity of rotation
kind prairie
I just hadnt quite hit ilvl yet
patent flower
Im not disagreeing with that
sand egret
yeah the shield matters as it increases your block mitigation
% of a hit that is mitigated, that is
patent flower
Getting a good shield is huge
sand egret
i got lucky early and the 3rd week I got a 380....it was night and day to me
outer dew
I'm still debating if I come back to this tier as prot warrior or fire mage
kind prairie
yeah I stopped around 339 ilvl.
sand egret
yeah....
kind prairie
just checked
neon tangle
@outer dew I ended up sticking with my BDK if it makes you feel any better
sand egret
that'll be rough, but there's so much catch-up shit now
outer dew
@neon tangle you've always been a bdk in my heart
neon tangle
I try
sand egret
he is a sadbox
kind prairie
well cool, thanks guys! I am gonna try it some this weekend I think, get caught up, etc.
sand egret
nothing sadder than a dead guy swinging to just live a lil bit more....
neon tangle
Skyhold will always be my home tho
uneven mason
timewalking dungeons literally drop 365
kind prairie
😮
patent flower
I tanked 5/8H so far on dk and warrior. like I said...im feeling the warrior a lot.
kind prairie
legnio leggos dont do anything?
sand egret
since your "level" is 90
kind prairie
oh shit
sand egret
slap those bad lads on and have at it
- you get a 385 piece from the weekly quest
for doing 5
kind prairie
i will! belt and which ring?
kind prairie
oh yeahhhhh
sand egret
yeah since it activates on Intercept....
sand egret
just feeds into my Avatar
in TW on packs I can do more damage than the rest of the dps combined
the scaling is friendly this time around (unlike TBC which is fucking flat armor shred CITY)
outer dew
Mortal Strike ring:^)
kind prairie
kek
neon tangle
"oh hey you're incap and the mobs will just run around killing everyone but you"
kind prairie
question, sb isn't something we try to hit 100% uptime on, correct? just certain attacks/abilities?
trying to remember.
i know legion sb uptime was huge
kind prairie
gotcha
neon tangle
"effective uptime" meaning that while you aren't taking hits it's fine to let SB drop
uneven mason
also, don't use SB On bosses when they're about to cast (Fetid was a prime example of this)
saw so many logs of people running out of SB whne Fetid has enough "gaps" that you should have near 100%
west turtle
out of all the Dazar'alor trinkets, why is Bwonsamdi's Bargain from Rastakhan lower than the Mekkatorque trinket? One gives haste, but having a Purgatory type of effect seems useful when doing progress for instance
uneven mason
Because a 6min CD on a trinket that probably isn't going to save you anyway is complete shit
Basically if you're going to die a 50k heal isn't going to save you
because if you're going to die, all of your healers are probably already fucking dead.
I don't think since the start of Mythic Uldir that as a prot warrior me dying has been a concern at all
Haste however, will make you take much smoother damage and be easier ot heal overall.
neon tangle
and do more damage
uneven mason
^^^
neon tangle
dead bosses hit you for 0
tardy berry
So what do you guys think about the Seductive Power trait?
worth it over Iron Fortress?
neon tangle
It will be good when prot gets sims
so that questions like that can be answered a bit better
warm plinth
Personally I don't think I'd take it, but it depends on how close Bwonsamdi spawns to you/how long you get to click him. Typically I avoid things that I have to move around to keep active/get going
Or maybe you just get close to him I guess. Either way, depends on how close he is.
naive panther
After playing prot on fetid it really made me want to have a reduced am buff like prot did for vengeance, and something like how bolster helps bridge gaps, we can fiery brand, or meta, but it doesn't even feel anything quite as nice as prot right now. Still huge down time etc. We do have a way to reduce am uptime, but it's god awful to play with, so it's a rare occurence in case we really need it
I'll probably do my normal run on prot tonight, gotta keep it on par in case I swap it to main
chrome falcon
Treacherous Covenant is garbage for us right?
naive panther
if you stay above 20% good deeps..... but prot has better traits if you want deeps
and it can be deadly
neon tangle
@naive panther honest question, why not swap to prot
VDH isn't exactly in the best place currently
naive panther
Nah, but been it since I came back to the game at start of legion, weird feeling like I need to stay it. I get it's super weak, but it is also nice when prog is done to stomp leaderboards
i probably should though
neon tangle
I mean unless you're CE (and even then...) play what you enjoy
naive panther
we aren't exactly world first so it isn't a huge deal, I just need a back up in case I'm the reason we can't down a boss, which hasn't happened before
Yeah I am CE
lucid glen
I tanked normal today after not tanking for many years on my warrior, had 377 ilvl with full arms azerite and I did just fine, you'll love it
naive panther
but I usually have decked out gear to make up for being rather weak
lucid glen
the fights as a tank are pretty fun in this raid, much more fun then uldir
naive panther
we got to 15% on mekkatorque heroic this week with a bear and veng tank, pretty good for first day compared to rest of world, would have been world 13th had we got it that pull
yeah I agree with that worgan
lucid glen
Uldir was just "stand still and get punched"
neon tangle
I think the only semi-interesting part was maybe being the second tank on zek?
tanking while doing the dance and dealing w/ combos
naive panther
well as veng I actually felt useful on king rastakhan leaping all over the place, was pretty fun
neon tangle
as a BDK I couldn't run away from bwonsamdi fast enough and got yanked in to the death realm
lol
kindred knoll
Is the haste loss worth the vers gain? not sure myself if anyone knows for sure
uneven mason
- remove prawn 🤢
- Yeah, I'd use the 385
sand egret
prawn 😦
kindred knoll
lol I use it for stat weights on other characters don't listen to it for warrior
uneven mason
🤢
sand egret
lol but yeah i'd take the ilvl mate
neon tangle
(don't use it for your other characters either)
uneven mason
Like using Noxxic for rotations