I would say that it covers too much space personally
#protection
sick sentinel
I would say dont use WA
But then again
But I am still suggesting to use weep's wa and delete anything that you don't want
I have a love/hate with WA
No weep
sly lintel
I did what i could :pepehands:
austere oar
How's the future like ?
austere oar
Well just throw water at them
quiet crane
Sharks protec water here 😦
quiet crane
Legit they’ve increased in frequency of attacks lately lol
Fml
They not happy with us
uneven mason
nothing like getting Fetid down on the last raid night before the new raid, go go casual mythic progression 👍
stiff basin
does rallying cry essentially heal when the health goes away?
ruby berry
🤜 🤛
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel make me good bod weakauras
oblique garnet
What does it do
potent zephyr
disbands your guild and takes your gold
oblique garnet
Nice
astral crystal
vertical bars monkaS
thorn torrent
Whats the best mythic plus weapon i can get?
main vault
Atal
oblique garnet
Servant splitter
safe wharf
hey guys i just thought i'd ask. of the 3 trinkets i have. 380 rezan's, 385 alchemist stone, and 390 Jes' which would be best to use together for survivability?
tight tree
cinder nova
Ay?
Shadow of Elune: Your spells and abilities have a chance to increase your Haste by 465 for 15 seconds. At night, you also gain 10% movement speed for the duration.
regal flint
Hi Guys, On details is it possible to see the amount of damage that is blocked with shield block. If so what category options do i look under?
old zephyr
I like my Stones, the STR buff is pretty significant
I would use rezan /stone for more consistent smoothening of Damage
For m+ there is definitely a case to be made for jes Because it is very strong during Bigpulls
hollow thorn
for DPS Fathoms and Rezan
old zephyr
In dungeon there is indeed not much compétition. But in raid I would probably nit use jes
hollow thorn
Defense Blockades Rezan
true plover
tyvm
daring patrol
@regal flint There is, go to damage taken, click on your bar, then go to the avoidance tab
its in the bottom left corner under Melee
Nevermind, I'm dumb. Skimmed over the part you said about during shield block
hollow thorn
Can find it in logs tho
daring patrol
^
zinc vessel
Hello friends! im a recent rerolled m+ prot warrior trying to break 2k r.io and i have some question regarding haste. First i went for ilvl and as i optimized my gear and i got more and more haste, it feels more and more awkward to play. When im doing big pulls with all my haste buffs and avatar up i have around 55% haste with a pretty flippin low cd on TC. When i had lower haste, doing "TC -> something -> repeat" was easy. Now i have so much haste, that if keep my gcd locked i get 2 gcds between every TC and it deals noticably less dmg than holding my gcd for TC on every 2nd gcd. (i have haste on every single piece except 1). Do i have too much haste or is it actually better to hold my gcd? thanks in advance
quartz gyro
Someone correct me if im wrong, but haste lowers the gcd to about .7 seconds
so every 2 gcd is 2 seconds anyway which is about the lowest you are going to get TC delay to get
but that much haste really helps keep your sb recharge low so you can keep the am of sb up for longer
sick sentinel
having too much haste sounds like an interesting problem
junior igloo
@zinc vessel
You are wrong.
Haste decreases the global cooldown at the same rate as the cooldown of individual spells.
Notably, the cooldown of Thunder Clap during Avatar is exactly 2 globals and updates with haste to stay that way. You can therefore cast TC as every other ability regardless of haste levels.
steel mauve
theres no such thing as too much haste
warm plinth
How did you get more GCDs between TC when TC CD is reduced by haste too 🤔
cosmic cargo
after 50% haste GCDs start being reduced less iirc
sick sentinel
I thing this sounds more like latency and spell queue problems more than anything else
cosmic cargo
but at 44% that should not be a problem at all
warm plinth
Yeah sounds like a spell queue thing to me
zinc vessel
idk, i just press my abilites, and when my TC isnt ready after 1 gcd, i come here to ask 🤷
cosmic cargo
that too
sick sentinel
what is you spell queue ms? @zinc vessel
warm plinth
Default is 400 I think; might need to reduce it if running with that much haste.
junior igloo
It's actually at 100 % haste where the GCD stops being reduced, so technically the described behavior would happen then, but we are far away from reaching 100 %
cosmic cargo
at 100% it stops but i'm almost sure the rate at which it's reduced between 50-100 is less than between 0-50
zinc vessel
so if it's a spell queue problem, how do i lower the spellqueue?
sick sentinel
either with having the AdvancedInterfaceOptions addon
or with typing something in the chat
warm plinth
I think it's /console SpellQueueWindow ###
warm plinth
150 is usually a good number in my experience
warm plinth
Yeah that sounds right.
zinc vessel
ping is 15, so 115 it is?
warm plinth
Man, 15 ping must be nice 😭
sick sentinel
15 ping monkaS
warm plinth
I'm at 50 right now, which is low for me
sick sentinel
look, since too low spell queue is worse than too high
zinc vessel
all hail fiber
sick sentinel
stick with 150 in my opinion
or 140
because if it is too low you will have to spam your keys more
warm plinth
Yeah 150 is probably the lowest you should go. You can actually cause other issues by going too low
Xaryu has a video about having it too low; something about not being able to fit the same number of GCDs in the same window
zinc vessel
okey gonna try and see if /console SpellQueueWindow 150 fixes my problem, thanks guys! 😃
steady dragon
@cosmic cargo pretty sure you're wrong on the gcd stuff
cosmic cargo
maybe I misremember then
steady dragon
during things like the arcway boss with the bunch of haste you regularly get above 50% haste but gcd keeps decreasing at the same rate
steel mauve
Isnt a haste buff % different than stats on gear though
The more number stats you gain the DR kicks in
quartz gyro
Like i said earlier unless they have changed it, the lowest you can get the gcd is .7(5) seconds after you hit that your haste no longer effects the gcd, though it will still change things like attack swing speed and spell cooldown till you reach 100% haste.
sick sentinel
@feral crypt ask in #223972896219856896
silk mortar
#223972896219856896 is what youre looking but depends on how high you wanna go
feral crypt
oh shoot, sorry, misslick
junior igloo
@cosmic cargo @steady dragon
It used to be 50 % in the past (when the GCD cap was 1 second), so maybe that's the source of the confusion.
It's 100 % (for 0.75s GCD) now.
quartz gyro
christ that is a lot for a little change
cosmic cargo
but from 0 to 50 its 1.5 to 1 sec, right?
if yes that is a bigger change than from 1 to .75, 1/3rd instead of 1/4th
unless its not 1 sec at 50% and its just linear
junior igloo
Yeah.
50 % haste means 50 % more (attacks, GCDs, autoattacks, everything).
So in 1.5 second, you get 1.5 GCDs.
100 % haste means 100 % more of everything, so 2 GCDs in 1.5s
It may sound like it's becoming worse, but it's not really, you just have higher "starting point", so the increase is smaller relatively.
But if you look at it in terms of "how many more attacks do I get in a 5 minute fight", it remains the same.
(1 % more haste gives you 2 more GCDs per 5 minutes)
quartz gyro
also side question, any thoughts on the value of the new engi helms now that they have DC on them?
brisk ferry
it bums me out that you need raid mats to make the goggles.
or trinket for alchemist, etc
quartz gyro
well you need it for the 400 and 415, you can make the 385 with heroic dungeon mats
quartz gyro
have they said how much you get per boss kill or will that stay the same as sanguicell?
brisk ferry
everyone is guessing it'll be same as Sanguicell
native bear
anyone know if we will get another ring added to our current azerite gear
or will we be forced to get new pieces?
ionic willow
new pieces only
torn gyro
Just checked out Zandalari male prot warrior in de dressing room with the new gear coming up in next raid, looks sick as hell
floral tinsel
new pieces only.. you also want to swap them cause they give ~ 20% more stamina at the same ilvl
native bear
seems kinda stupid
silk mortar
Well some people complained by getting our things upgraded without doing shit
Just logging in and becomming stronger ^^
native bear
they should have just added rings to 390+ gear
or 385
nvm I can see why that would cause drama on forums
"mythic raiders get free upgrade and we dont bla bla"
marble cipher
Is it me, or is there very little haste/mastery gear in BoD 😦
A shield from first boss, so, that's good at least
torn gyro
Any thoughts on zandalari loa racial for prot warriors? Values are still open for change ofc
uneven mason
some of them would be good I'm sure
don't think anything is going to be as impactful as say a 100% heal though
all in all, no reason to change to Zandalari from blood elf
floral tinsel
@marble cipher why haste+mastery specificly? Prot cares about haste + anything really.. and there are tons of gear with that.
uneven mason
prot cares about Item level
and you'll get it
don't fixate on haste, its only a priority there because it offers the best smoothing (not damage reduction, don't get it twisted)
protection warriors have the enviable position of literally not giving a fuck about stats
and just taking whatever has the highest ilvl
floral tinsel
technically more haste = more rage generation and lower CD's = more IP casts and higer SB uptime... so it is kind of a defensive stat 😛
uneven mason
right, but itself doesn't offer direct DR
just damage smoothing
hastes impact on rage gen is miniscule
since the majority of our rage comes from cooldowns (BV, Avatar, Intercept)
floral tinsel
that get 1s off their CD pretty much every time we spend rage
uneven mason
well more than that
heh
but anyway back to the point, is that, I wouldn't ever fret haste unless its an equal ilvl piece, and in some situations, (high magic) Mastery or vers will be a larger benefit, crit itself is probably best in M+
floral tinsel
@torn gyro depending on situation and the final numbers, both Gonk and Krag'wa looks good... due to prot warriors already very high armor through Vanguard a +armor proc is strong, but not as strong as on other tanks
marble cipher
I like my haste/mastery pieces on similar ilvl though, but, then again, everything we'll get now will be higher ilvl, so it's all an upgrade anyway 😄
cosmic cargo
armor doesn't have diminishing returns per-se
uneven mason
armor scales appropriately
floral tinsel
yeah, I know... thats not what I am trying to say
uneven mason
the % reduction is smaller, the DR gain is not
cosmic cargo
so having more armor making armor worse is nonsense
floral tinsel
@uneven mason I know... I am just saying that physical DR on warriors is high as fuck anyway
uneven mason
right
cosmic cargo
but getting it higher has equal effect as it would on something else
floral tinsel
kinda, but if you compare it to say a BDK that self heals a lot they get more out of it
cosmic cargo
not really
uneven mason
not really, since their healing scales on damage taken
and not raw
% gain in armor reduces the % healing by a likewise amount
cosmic cargo
yup
floral tinsel
oh okay
naive panther
vengeance benefits from armor increases quite a bit because they sit at aroudn 37% dr
uneven mason
thus, its not a larger gain just because they are at alower base armor value
naive panther
so a small amount of armor is a higher percent dr
uneven mason
armor itself doesn't lose value
cosmic cargo
the overal DR is basically the same
uneven mason
until you hit the cap
cosmic cargo
also i think you can cap at like 5 stacks
cosmic cargo
(also depends if in raid or dungeons)
uneven mason
you can prob do it
cosmic cargo
dungeons have very low k value
uneven mason
this is true
was thinking MRaiding
which is where I Figured my druid at 380 would cap (8 stacks)
cosmic cargo
1.1k+ K value, let's go
uneven mason
hehe
cosmic cargo
surprised they didn't change K value on season 2 dungeons
imo it's an indirect buff to warrs and monks not changing it
since both are affected by K value twice
uneven mason
*paladins
cosmic cargo
(pala technically is too but they don't block enough to matter)
torn gyro
The thing is i want a prot warrior and enh shaman, with either maghar or zandalari. But not both classes the same race, is it worth waiting until they release zandalari for prot warrior. Cuz dont want to waste time lvling a maghar prot and then i find out i rather want a zandalari... alt struggles
uneven mason
they block a solid amount
cosmic cargo
on a phys heavy dungeon you run BH so the block chance is meh
cosmic cargo
zandalari will prob be stronger than mag'har for prot warr unless they nerf their racial too far
that said my warr is mag'har and i don't regret it 1 bit
naive panther
i would do zandalar warrior
sand egret
Having a shred of dignity does.
uneven mason
That is why I'm alliance
sand egret
smh
torn gyro
Belfs look like a figure made out of sticks, the racial might be nice, but the looks would bother me
sand egret
beard game is tragic at best
uneven mason
"Death skips,LOL O my sweet child, we don't have to die"
sand egret
then you’d be a NElf....woof
uneven mason
I was super excited when I heard about upright orcs
and then I decided I'd rather be short and hairy than a "Clipping Orc"
errant wing
did they stealth nerf TC Damage seems to be hitting alot less today
errant wing
ah, you maybe right was not in dc set , fml
naive panther
yeah not fond of upright orcs, it just doesn't look right, tried to make my monk maghar but race changed back again
thorn mango
@naive panther not gonna be a fan of upright trolls either then eh? 😄
naive panther
well i dunno, do they look the same as the models in zandalari? cause I think they look awesome
the orcs just look like they needed some more polish, and they run really weird
thorn mango
i havent been on the ptr so i cant really say,. wouldnt be surprised if they go a route different then a regular NPC,i mean look at what they did with nightborne,the only way your almost similar to an NPC is if u wear the heritage armor,and ignore the body shape hahah
torn gyro
Zandalari male mythic plate
noticed that the tusks are not clipping the helmet, which is a huge plus for me
dreamy owl
hey guys serious question
silk mortar
Go on
quick mauve
the answer is no
uneven mason
wawiting
jagged bay
hi have a nice weekend everyone!:)
thorn mango
@torn gyro i think it always depends on the type of helmet for that type of stuff. play as a dark iron and alot of the helmets slightly clip the mustache. and then u have helmets like the raid one,or even say dark shore which completely negates the facial hair
errant shuttle
fairly bad tank here
am i supposed to constantly clench my ass when i mass pull island expeditions?
uneven mason
depends
knowing your pull is paramount for a warrior
like don't pull stuff that does insane spell damage
we're amazingly strong vs tankbuster magic
many hits of small magic that doesn't die in short order we can struggle with
IE are chock full of this stuff, I'd suggest going fury for them
big D self healing
uneven mason
mmhmm
more damage in M+ is physical
and pulls are more controllable (you have LOS options in most dungeons)
errant shuttle
i feel like paper on ies lol
uneven mason
item scaling also seems funny since 8.1
I felt more squishy onIsle Expeds since the patch but can't really say why
cold owl
My pet theory is that they went ahead with S2 scaling in islands.
indigo panther
Has there been any discussion anywhere regarding the new tank trinkets in BoDA?
wait, did they buff the Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism?
it used to shield you every 10 sec, not it's every 8 sec
or did they ADD haste scaling to it?
i don't remember it scaling with haste, but it does so now
main vault
It’s still shit
indigo panther
with into the fray i can get it to shield every 7.3 seconds
sand egret
if it truly scales with haste
indigo panther
for 10282
sand egret
then it's actually really slick
and i'm 100% into it
due to interactions with shields and IP, finding a more consistent shield source is pretty dope. I'd love to mess around with one
prisma obsidian
its decent for tank swaps but im not confident it does "relevant" healing that cant be done by any healer (in raids).
sand egret
i'm mostly looking at M+ or any more continuous source of smaller autos
indigo panther
remember stat it stacks with itself until it reaches 51k
sand egret
that's why I think it's kinda like RP and IV had a lovechild
indigo panther
so even if you don't utilize the full 10k absorb it gives every few seconds you can "save" it for later
sand egret
which practically doesn't happen in a single fight
austere oar
if you gain 1 stack every 8 seconds approx you'll rarely stack above 3 times
sand egret
since its anywhere from ~35-50 seconds to "build" it, but in M+ from pack to pack it'll get more value.
prisma obsidian
It makes your self healing look good on meters but I think if its not mitigating somthing like a bleed or magic dot that we cant DR well I think it might be redundant. the stacking of the shield is nice for tank swap like i said before, but its hard to say that its a good trinket to use when compared to others.
sand egret
well, what do you want out of a trinket?
austere oar
dips
sand egret
then you shouldnt be looking at this one
austere oar
thats where we're gonna go
sand egret
but in the context of its defensive value, it'll sit right around where IV ranks
silk moat
I’ve been running 2x BOM, 1 Leech IP trait (forget what it’s called), and 2x IV and my self sustain is really incredible
sand egret
with the added bonus that, if you RNG well and if damage lul's, you can compound its effectiveness
indigo panther
and since it scales with gear, it'll only become better as we near 415 ilvl
sand egret
defensively, it's probably one of the better trinkets.
indigo panther
tho not much
sand egret
the fact that haste scales its tick rate is awesome
indigo panther
if we're stacking Haste and Versa, i can see it becoming good defensively in some situations
austere oar
question is are these situations going to happen
sand egret
in M+, quite often
in Raids, less so? not sure as I've not really looked into the damage profiles of BoD
main vault
There are other trinkets that could get more value in m+
sand egret
defensive value, specifically.
main vault
Its just too undertuned to be relevant I feel
sand egret
it scaling with haste and vers, i disagree. I think it's one of those ones that will be more powerful than initially thought
it reads like a better IV and I think IV is dope
limber tulip
@main vault are you still looking for a guild
main vault
I think it will be more powerful on meters because you can see the effect
sand egret
i don't mind getting defensive trinkets, definitely still wanna mess with it
main vault
But not in practice
indigo panther
On another note, i think warriors are the only tanks that are going to even care about this trinket due to out haste levels
main vault
@limber tulip Kinda why
sand egret
shields are quite strong on prot specifically
prisma obsidian
its hard to say that this is a worthwhile trinket for its slot in M+, if you look at it from a defensive point of view wouldnt it be better to run sporepods + mythrax trinket?
main vault
Its impossible for me to get excited about a trinket that shields 3-5% of current HP
And that value will only go lower
chilly brook
TBH 3-5% of current HP isn’t bad especially with everything that we mitigate anyways and absorb
That’s just more damage not taken
main vault
Its not more than that
sand egret
the value of the shield increases as long as IP is active
which, with haste not only is the uptime on the shield increasing but so is IP
main vault
At 250k a single proc is 4% @ 250k hp
So the shield isnt effected by the dmg IP lets through?
prisma obsidian
Hes saying that IP shield gets used first so if the IP shield holds then the trinket shield has a chance of stacking
main vault
Sure a chance
main vault
So a 22k hit would eat it right?
sand egret
you'll continue to compound it. This of course begins to scale with parries
giving you more time to increase stacks, yada
prisma obsidian
since IP only takes half the dmg in the shield it still might not work
chilly brook
I mean it’s still damage removed from a hit you’d take
prisma obsidian
on higher keys
main vault
But its not a weakness we have
chilly brook
And it’s actually far more useful than any other “tank” trinket I’ve seen
main vault
Thats what Im not seeing
sand egret
it is for stuff we can't block
main vault
Ok great, youll pad healing meters a bit
main vault
But its doesnt actually work against a weakness
chilly brook
Taking a 10k chunk out of a magic hit is still 10k we didn’t take
chilly brook
Far more reliable than blockades imo
chilly brook
I’m not saying you would?
tropic star
healers are going to have beacon / hots on your when you arent tanking so this will jsut translate to more overhealing in downtime wouldnt it
sick sentinel
LOL
tropic star
in raids
prisma obsidian
its true that it mitigates damage but the question should also be, "is the damage mitigated worth mitigating" is the trinket really reducing the stress of a healer or is it getting in the way of the healers efficiency in spells.
main vault
He compared it to blockades when neither competes
chilly brook
What I am saying is blockades was considered the best than trinket hands down because of how it works, this is even better because it’s actually consistently going to negate damage
sand egret
the effect is like blockades
main vault
.
chilly brook
🤦🏻♂️
sand egret
....
sick sentinel
textbook nexii 
sand egret
do you know what blockades does...
indigo panther
if we're talking about HPS, the trinket it actually not all that bad either. Comparing it at ilvl 415, assuming max ITF stacks, it does a total of 1428HPS
chilly brook
You’re actually trolling me
main vault
You said the effect was like blockades
sand egret
🤔
main vault
The effect is half of blockades
indigo panther
three RP traits does 1698HPS
indigo panther
but RP ofcourse is actually every 30 secs and so on
so there is a big difference in fucntion
chilly brook
I didn’t say it was like blockades at all
sand egret
i did
main vault
If anything its closer to Lingering Sporepod trinket
chilly brook
Lmao Wut
main vault
Or a wekaer blockades
chilly brook
A heal you can’t control that could go off randomly at full Hp is similar to an absorb that will absorb damage period
You must be joking
sand egret
i mean blockades gives two things periodically, health and stam. Functionally a perma shield is effectively health but it doesn't vary
chilly brook
^
sand egret
so its a more consistent blockades
chilly brook
EHP is EHP regardless of if it’s a stam buff or a shield
main vault
Well I dont agree on its strength and wont be using it
chilly brook
That’s fine
sick sentinel
LOL
sand egret
Agree to disagree.
sick sentinel
Thanks for your input hahahaha
chilly brook
I look forward to seeing you run it after the trinkets are added to the guides
main vault
At most its a tiny bit of smoothing that in any environment you are taking normal dmg will be eaten pretty instantly
sand egret
Same could be said by any marginal hot
chilly brook
Or shield
sand egret
the point is in aggregation, it's impactful
sand egret
or IV
main vault
Love that sound logic
sand egret
it's extrapolating yours
main vault
No wonder people think this channel is full of meme
chilly brook
It’s the same line of logic....
sand egret
it's literally your logic
sick sentinel
Because of people like you
main vault
Yeah ok
chilly brook
IP was eaten in one melee in Mythic Uldir
uneven mason
Nexii go back to bear
sick sentinel
You literally just say the dumbest shit, and then peace it like you won a discussion
Its fantastic
uneven mason
Well I mean, it is the internet
main vault
Muppets in here
chilly brook
So by what you said IP would have been “marginal smoothing eaten instantly”
So why even use it?
sand egret
no yours was that a "tiny bit of smoothing" that " gets chewed instantly' diminishes its value. The same thing is true with a lot of other stuff, like IP and IV. However, when aggregated their value is impactful.
IP can be initially viewed as such. but when you compound IP with Shield Block...
signal plover
Lads this has been like the most angsty few weeks in a long time. Holy shit
chilly brook
Might as well not run the heal on hit trait either
signal plover
Errybody so fuckin touchy
sick sentinel
Just sick of dumb shit 
chilly brook
Blame the game 😜
signal plover
Half the arguments are about wild ass tangents
Or semantics
Or improperly contextualized memes/advice
uneven mason
I swear to god, ever since we stopped being "not viable" this shit has digressed into the paladin channel about "Does this slutmog make my BElf ass look fat?"
chilly brook
To be fair I don’t think this one fits in any of these unless this guy is actually memeing us hard
sand egret
3 halves?
main vault
fuck you
sick sentinel
wheres a noose emoji
main vault
No
sand egret
also no reason to be so hostile. I mean I disagree but yikes.
main vault
He is just a retard
chilly brook
I gotta hear this
main vault
So fuck him
chilly brook
:toxic
sand egret
honestly, let's not rehash this.
chilly brook
Honestly if you can’t deal with someone just block them no reason to flame
brisk ferry
where's @fierce juniper ? This shit just gets out of hand every single day
sick sentinel
On the plus side
sand egret
lol not really worth the tag?
brisk ferry
I mean a lot of us are new to Prot warr (me included) and we're trying to learn ups and downs of prot warrior
cant make fucking sense of it in here
chilly brook
I’ll let you know the reliable people in here if you’d like @brisk ferry
sand egret
it's mostly answer-driven in here
marble cipher
Icy Veins guide is top notch though, that has helped me quite a bit as I try to refrain from asking too many questions here lately 😉
sand egret
less of an obs channel, since most of it has pretty much been covered. Generally from what I've seen people jump on specific questions quite fast (sometimes too fast haha)
chilly brook
Or did all of it get moved to the guides channel?
sand egret
but when left to idle....
marble cipher
Majority of it, yes @chilly brook
sand egret
I think a bunch got shuffled over there
brisk ferry
yeh I was interested in the discussion for that new refractor trinket
and just snowballs so fast
chilly brook
Well it was to be expected
sick sentinel
it's just that one guy though, he's notorious for it
sand egret
well, it comes down to the value of what it brings and stemmed from a disagreement on it.
fierce juniper
You all need to chill.
signal plover
^
fierce juniper
Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you need to be an ass.
And that goes both ways.
cosmic cargo
wait people are actually arguing that thing is good? LUL
chilly brook
It’s basically no different than blockades?
sick sentinel
Sure but you can't come in here and say stupid incorrect shit and not expected to get jumped on
sand egret
discussing it, yes.
chilly brook
Except being more consistent
sand egret
well, the concept of "correct" can often change....
sick sentinel
For sure
cosmic cargo
wait blockades is supposed to be good now?
sand egret
thus jumping on someone for being "incorrect" is also dubious
chilly brook
The amount of Pepe’s I’m seeing is great
And yes blockades is widely considered still BiS for survivability
cosmic cargo
😂
sand egret
and from my view, the DLRP (what an acronym) is Blockades 2.0
chilly brook
You can laugh about it, however that doesn’t change the fact that many people actually see value in blockades
sick sentinel
It'' be interesting to see how much juice it actually gives you once your 415
Theres a fuckload of haste / ver in BfD too
indigo panther
i don't know if anyone actually saw what i wrote, considering everyone was just dogpiling, but the trinket is, right now, close to as effective in througput as 3 x RP
sand egret
~7.5 seconds right?
keen spire
Oh hey
chilly brook
I think you’d be hard pressed not to use it in prog if you got it
trail whale
you are 100% trying to start shit
indigo panther
give me a sec
chilly brook
@sand egret even more reason to be a panda now and use haste food 🙃
signal plover
Does it matter?
chilly brook
Can’t be bothered to care
sick sentinel
Who cares 🤷
sand egret
but then i'd be a panda
although if we're being real, this entire discussion is pointless to me because I know I'll never actually see it drop.
womp
sick sentinel
did I just miss out on more drama?
chilly brook
No stahp
sand egret
nope
keen spire
@trail whale Nah, I clearly stated I wasn't. Was just asking out of curiosity, as I said 😃
❤
How are yall feeling about the new raid?
sick sentinel
looks really cool IMO
keen spire
Blockable spells 😍
signal plover
Raid looks good
trail whale
it doesn't have ghuun so i'm on board
keen spire
^^^
signal plover
Only first boss and blockade look kinda underwhelming
keen spire
Agree with you there
lol
With Coffee I mean
I thought the first boss had some cool tank mechanics
chilly brook
I need to start playing MHW since I bought it and so I can meme and be a hunting horn main
old zephyr
BooldLust is now even more than ever the best DefCD for prot
chilly brook
I’m actually looking forward to finally having the race I paid for with the expansion almost a year later
:kappa
cosmic cargo
where did you get this random impression it scales with haste though?
seems to me it doesn't at all
sand egret
it isnt random
chilly brook
Speaking of which I need to actually look at the Zandalari racial
chilly brook
@cosmic cargo it’s literally tested on the test server
sand egret
that's WHAT is being shown
chilly brook
🤦🏻♂️
sand egret
for the Zandalari racial, do you designate your loa on char creation or can you shuffle after the fact
red dock
What WA do yall suggest
ivory oxide
Any suggestions on new raid previews, just watched the fat boss ones.
red dock
To track SB and CDs mostly I guess
steel mauve
I make my own weakauras
sick sentinel
I use weep's Wa bundle
signal plover
@ivory oxide not much out beyond Fat boss and assorted test vids. Preach has a jaina vid
warm plinth
@sand egret I was told it's kinda like the pop out menu for Call Pet on a hunter.
sick sentinel
- a modification of marok's IP wa
warm plinth
For the loa buff/proc
red dock
Where can I find Marok's IP?
sand egret
ohh that's cool
uneven mason
sand egret
or the weakaura channel
ivory oxide
K. Tanks
red dock
k ty
uneven mason
figured it was time to bring that back as a thing
sand egret
those are the most inclusive. if you need additional help customizing it, i'd ask in that channel as well
sick sentinel
@red dock I can PM you a screenshot of the one I took and modified to suit my needs
marble cipher
Zandalari?
chilly brook
Ye
marble cipher
Channel iirc
sick sentinel
channel broken on damage
red dock
Thats fine yeah
chilly brook
Oof
I’d take a hot that was a lower value over that tbh
But eh
Could be nice after a pull
red dock
Still better than cannibalize
honest goblet
when did they change it to be broken after damage takrn?
red dock
Thats true
chilly brook
Probably after they realized that it’d be broken in pvp lmao
Kick the healer or whatever
He instantly uses his racial to heal 25% anyways
😜
sick sentinel
on pve as well
chilly brook
Hey aggro on a large pull, pop it to help healer even though you’re not mitigating
chilly brook
Yea it woulda be an “I’m immortal” button
chilly brook
Embrace of the loa looks really cool though
sick sentinel
I dont know, I will scream about it if it goes live
honest goblet
those loa racials are first scalable racials ever
sick sentinel
I read somewhere that it's getting nerfed
chilly brook
Wait they scale?
chilly brook
Does the undead racial not scale as well?
honest goblet
as far as i know no other racial scales
thats why u see orcs undeads ahead first tier and belves trolls last tiers
sick sentinel
my orc racial is crying rn
honest goblet
give old orc racial back!
honest goblet
nah, dont care about torrent
but orc racial was op
as i recall ot was 20% dmg done and -50% healing taken
chilly brook
If I was smart, I would have been a troll
So I had a haste buff
But too much clipping and armor weirdness
But I’ll definitely be a zandalari
nova rover
Question guys on +11 and up, found the goblin gal (3rd boss) chunking my hp down hard, is there any particular way to handle her
sick sentinel
BL, cycle CDs with SR
chilly brook
Unblockable damage
sick sentinel
reflect first dot, LS second dot, SR third, SW 4rth
chilly brook
Just gotta use your CDs
sick sentinel
focus on IP
nova rover
Thanks man
chilly brook
What unyun said
nova rover
Yea chunked me bad yesterday and it came as a surprise to me
chilly brook
Yea ML is a little rough for us
Just simply because almost all the bosses have unblockable damage
nova rover
I cruised mostly, except when folk missed the soccer balls
mental scarab
Eh
chilly brook
But it’s not the worst dungeon and it’s still very doable
chilly brook
I’ve tried helping people like that, they just ignore me
Or they’re from Ragnaros and a lost cause anyways
cold owl
Is he running that in pvp?
sick sentinel
even if he did, still beyond help
warm plinth
Yeah those don't strike me as near optimal even from a PvP standpoint.
chilly brook
I’d be forgiving of at least the first tier
warm plinth
Depending on what type of PvP I guess
chilly brook
Since tbh on paper unless you actually know how prot works a damage reduction sounds better than haste
sick sentinel
at least use UF and BV
chilly brook
Gib glad stance back
chilly brook
So what you’re showing me is it’s well worth having
indigo panther
numbers wise, yeah
and correct me if i'm wrong, but warriors can't even get 3 x IV can they?
from dungeons and raid
chilly brook
Not sure
indigo panther
outside of WQ and PVP rewards, there are no chestpieces with IV on
sick sentinel
I think it's only crown in raid
Which also has probably some of the worst traits of all the available azerite
chilly brook
I’ve been a fan of IF for a while
sick sentinel
these are good traits, but if you are doing mplus, you want 3xBoM :C
chilly brook
BFI not so much but I recognize it’s technically better
indigo panther
no hate bro 😃
sand egret
m+ lyffeee
sick sentinel
we bad boys
sand egret
#realtalk
sick sentinel
same tbh
sand egret
speaking of small instanced content, Mechagon is something I'm really looking forward too
cold owl
I love 5 mans. I'm not a pusher, but nothing more fun to me than small group content.
chilly brook
I feel like m+ would be less of a hassle to me if I had friends who were good and wanted to push
cold owl
I raid cause my guild asked me to.
I'm planning to go hard in S2. I found friends way to late this round and pushing in pugs was awful for me.
chilly brook
I used to raid until I became a toxic boi
sand egret
while M+ would be more fun if i ran it with friends, the reason M+ is ultimately more appealing is because I don't need them on to engage in it.
being able to get myself to mythic gearing levels purely solo has been quite fulfilling this season/expac, tbh
chilly brook
I blame rainbow 6 for making me toxic
sick sentinel
week 1 fetid on mythic
made me toxic for about 2 months
but reaping looks fantastic, now all they need to do is make so you can re-roll keys again
cold owl
I'll do anything for friends and there are at least 7 guildees on during my play time looking for a tank.
It's glorious
Usually around 12-14 or 10 carries for guild scrubs.
Win or lose, still super fun.
keen spire
@sand egret What's your ilvl atm?
sand egret
on the gear i wear about and use, 381 i think? I'm 386 in bags, but that's also because I refuse to wear my 395 jes' and my non-BoM gear. My 390 pieces are unfortunately not in a good trait setup so I use them for my Arms offspec
I like running my 2x BoM / DC setup so I take the hit to run my 375s
keen spire
for sure
daring marlin
blade you’re like 10 ilvls lower than my warrior I stopped months ago!
Though I’m just being funny cuz of people that say mythic raiding is pointless
considering you’ll still be geared faster and higher ilvl than people that don’t mythic raid
¯_(ツ)_/¯
short cosmos
weird flex
naive panther
I spam those m+ early on, but once you are about mythic lvl geared, so much more likely to have a 385 titanforge into something good vs a 370.
daring marlin
@short cosmos good meme dude
deft finch
Hi everyone, I'm a new warrior I was just wondering if the enemy NPC ability "shoot" is all blockable. I see on the BFA Blockable google doc, in the FAQ, that the Siege of Boralus Dread Captain boss it is. But does that mean all the trash ones that do the shoot spell are too?
final mist
Yes
floral tinsel
Yeah, they should as of 8.1 patch
deft finch
Awesome! Thanks a bunch! Sorry for the noob question. Trying to figure this out as I go:) about to jump into Mythic/ M+ Dungeons soon
sand egret
Friendly reminder that you still need to be facing the target!
@sick sentinel i use a Knot and Butcher's Block. I just really find that on-use to be super awkward.
lavish oracle
Anyone else see this?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22862590/wow-esports-in-2019
Specifically this part
The Proving Grounds are a qualification period open to any player with a Blizzard Battle.net account in good standing. Think you’ve got what it takes to be Mythic Dungeon International champions? Grab a team of five players and prove it! All you and your team need to do is complete five level 14 Mythic Keystone Dungeons in time between February 26 and March 12. (Note: Keystone level is subject to change, and will be determined sometime after the start of Season 2, on Jan. 22.) If successful, you and your team will be granted access to the Tournament Realm, where you will be able to create max-level characters, equip them with the items you feel are most optimal, and build out talents as you please. You and your team will have access to the Tournament Realm for the duration of the season.
vocal nimbus
Afaik its the same as it was for the last one
lavish oracle
Oh, hm. Don't remember the proving grounds but maybe I was switching mains at the time
sick sentinel
There needs to be ghetto MDI
Get tips from the FGC about thuggery, weapons and violence
Also make teams outta pugs
final mist
🤔
quiet crane
Lmao thatd be something
sand egret
I forgot which streamer I saw say suggest this, but I loved their idea about a MDI allstars that's just a slot machine of affixes and dungeons and they give you an arsenal of gear to choose from and it's just real-time problem solving
that or if they just spawn mobs from other dungeons in certain packs. KR zerkers just cropping up in like WM. 😃
lavish oracle
No please
sick sentinel
too much RNG
sand egret
it's purely spectator service
but that's also the point
watching the same exact comp do the same strats 90% of the time gets pretty boring
considering how long a dungeon typically takes
on-the-fly problem solving is fun to watch/commentate
lavish oracle
I'm not even that interested in competing, I kinda just wanna fuck around on the tournament realm
lavish oracle
Not for warrior so much this xpac, it seems
Even at that level, shield block is just too strong
chilly brook
@lavish oracle the quals were there in legion as well
lavish oracle
Yeah, I mighta just been swapping to bear when they were a thing
lavish oracle
I had fun with it last xpac but the leggos helped with that
sand egret
idk, i dont find them boring. Being able to shift out and swiftmend to full right after a typhoon feels wonderful. 😃
lavish oracle
Catweaving was fun in raid too
sand egret
i could say the same for TClap spam....if the numbers weren't so big haha
chilly brook
Props to dudes like nihilo but I just can’t bear to play the class 🙃
sand egret
boooo
chilly brook
Sorry bad pun
exotic umbra
I watched a video on the new M+ affix. It sounds like DKs/DHs and paladins are going to be the preferred tanks for their ability to get ranged threat. Any opinions on how warriors will do with Reaping?
marble cipher
Los, avatar, clappers?
void night
we make big boom boom
dusk locust
probably depends on where you are when the mobs come. might be chasing you from several directions
sick sentinel
Crackling thunder
sand egret
i dunno, i for one am going to appreciate the built-in padding affix
dusk locust
we haven't learned what the bwonsamdi debuff does if you do his bargain in m+ yet right
jade socket
It’s a buff to help you finish the dungeon
sand egret
the buff helps you finish, I think the debuff prevents you from getting it again? or is the "buff" a "debuff"
trail whale
when you deplete he sits at the entrance and gives you a pretty big buff is all it is
dusk locust
yes, but you're also debuffed, and the tooltip says something to the effect of "you've bargained with bwonsamdi, but at what cost?"
sand egret
yeah that's what I'm wondering. I'd imagine if there two different things that specific one you're talking about is either flavor text and does nothing or a lock-out from getting the buff again within 2 hours (some exploit prevention or somethin?)
sand egret
wouldn't surprise me.
dusk locust
i'd hate for there to be some title that you're granted if you never bargain with him
haha
and i don't know about it and lose it
doubt they'd do that
sand egret
yeah....i highly doubt that'd happen
sturdy sable
you could probably just get it on a diff toon
sand egret
well, honestly Bwom IS the flavor of the new raid 😃
best character of the expac thus far
dusk locust
even if it's just a whisper "i gave you power and this is how you repay me?"
sand egret
haha siiick
yeah, i do love the old god's whisper to you flavor they do. bwom would fit right in with that
dusk locust
unfortunately i'm alliance and get near 0 exposure to him or his story
i should really level up a horde toon
sand egret
yeah, I went and did the zuldazar zone on my horde for the story.
gray snow
Hey! this is probably not the right place to ask this but, Which is the most self sufficient tank atm? I'm assuming its dk but im pretty new to tanking.
dusk locust
what context? in dungeons?
gray snow
m+ mostly
sand egret
prob not the most relevant for this channel, but umm prob DK I'd imagine.
thorn mango
@gray snow for mythic plus its DK without a double,granted they took alittle bit of a nerf in 8.1,but i dont think its stopped them from being top dog
gray snow
Ah i see, thank you
sick sentinel
@gray snow Warriors are pretty close though, they are better than dks in WM and Freehold to my knowledge
silk mortar
The only dungeon dk will pull most ahead is likely to be the likes of kings rest
gray snow
oh ok, I'm just trying to figure out which options would be best overall for ''taking care'' of myself
void night
DK struggles on last boss in kings rest but control undead is nice for the mean hallway
silk mortar
Control undead and being able to deal with bleeds is what makes them btter
void night
ye the bleed is def rough on warriors
the ooze room is fun with thunderclap though :^)
cold owl
Forgot about explosive and pulled most of that room. I was the only one to survive.
sand egret
pulling that whole room is a power move to assert dominance over your ranged dps.
cold owl
I was los'ing the orbs amidst screams that they couldn't be los'd. Super fun.
neon tangle
I think DK will end up pretty strong in 8.1 again
Good kiting tools, and no more infested to slow down big pulls as much
daring patrol
Holy hell engineering belt knockback is fun in world PvP, nobody expects it
neon tangle
Maybe less so during explosive and bolstering weeks
sand egret
if by buff you mean the exploit to get the last boss buff for the whole dungeon....yeah it's not a thing
royal marsh
Yeah, it's gone. You can still get the buff and pull the last pack before boss though, before you kill the final wave of trash from the boss
ocean acorn
removed i believe
royal marsh
But the "get the buff and restart the dungeon with a key" thing is gone
hushed cobalt
Never did it but wanted to but also hesitant.
royal marsh
not sure ife any straight up bans happened from it, but it was definitely a possibility
hushed cobalt
If I see anyone +3'ing a 15 temple or beyond, fraud!
Ran my waycrest11 with 2 guildies and 2 pug dps. The mage pug links the all dungeons 10 in time achieve. Did 8k overall to orbs.
steep lily
ocean acorn
they deleted all the scores that abusesd the glitch
tired cove
lol tsar i thought that said u ran with 2 guardians
graceful sundial
hey all...got a question about Impassive Visage. It says "cannot occur more than once every 6 sec" but what happens if I have two of them...do they work independently?
tired cove
no
sand egret
they are one unified 6 second cooldown. Having two increases the healing per instance.
graceful sundial
so it seems profitable to use both imo...my other choice is resounding protection
sand egret
hmm easy answer is both are good. Could go tit for tat about one being better, but you can't really go wrong with either choice. RP gets more value in certain scenarios. For what it's worth, IV at once stack usually is ~ 21% of my healing and that goes to about ~27% at 2 stacks. I can't speak for RP, but it is a good trait.
sorry if that's not the most helpful answer
keen spire
That is way more helpful of an answer than I would've given
tired cove
as a prot war i would go for visage
keen spire
^
tired cove
cause the self healing is better
final mist
Both are very good.
tired cove
we already have the best defensive
x3 resounding is basically leggo neck
but the self healing is to good ot pass up cause its something we lack unlike other tanks
tired cove
i love impending victory on the first boss in TD
i'm like healer u better out dps the dps
supple ledge
nope
tired cove
nope or invite peopel if someone leaves
sand egret
to play devil's advocate Majesco, RP is more effective because we have fantastic mitigation. Specifically, Ignore Pain applies before RP goes into effect. Per hit, if there is 1 >= point in IP remaining then your RP is effectively twice as valuable. Since a noticeable factor in how we deal with damage comparatively to other tanks is that we mitigate a bunch but we still are always taking damage and not regaining it, this compliments us extremely well. In essence, RP can actually be seen as a surrogate health pool that is being topped every 30 seconds.
austere oar
Time loss tho
keen spire
oh we pumpin
sand egret
since it's IP > shields > Hp
sand egret
the biggest issue with shields and this synergy is actually how long they last.
keen spire
meaning?
austere oar
How many melees you can tank with *
Part of the problem in Legion was you spent tens of seconds building an IP that's blown out in 1 melee
sand egret
so like, in a typical just auto's situation or scratch damage we mitigate a lot via block. This now greatly diminshed number then hits our IP/HP pools at a 50/50 rate. The nature of our mitigation, right? Shields replace HP in that split. Now, the issue is simply that if your shield expires prior to using every last point of it then you leave that much value on the table.
So there will come a point where we're mitigating stuff to an amount that the shield itself expiring before getting all its value is the biggest issue
oblique garnet
Interesting🤔
sand egret
i bring this up because of massive 3x BoM windows
where your crit block rate is at 84%
and suddenly RP + a disc shield is all you need
somber dragon
so it is block -> IP -> Shield(s) -> HP
sand egret
as far as ive done through testing, yes.
somber dragon
is there a prescendence for disc/trinket/RP or is that kinda wibblywobbly?
sand egret
i tested this with teh bandage trinket actually
to be perfectly transparent
damage gets mitigated and that is split between IP and then Shields > HP.
steel mauve
idk how it is now as i havent paid enough attention to it this expansion, so idk if its changed but used to it went by buff order, i think it was the absorb that was on you first was absorbed first iir
sand egret
bah i'm trying to test it again but this fucking dummy keeps leading with an uber strike = /
tidal sleet
so, what is the gnerally agreed best spec for m+ in higher keys right now? trying to get some higher keys finished out at end of season, and dps invites are a lot farther between
no reason not to give this a solid shot as prot
sick sentinel
prot is really really good rn
tidal sleet
is the icvy veins prot suggested prot spec the way to go?
warm plinth
Yep.
austere oar
Best spec ? Dk
Viable specs ? Dk/Brm/ProtW/ProtPal/Dh
However the tier list is shifting for now, we need to see how s2 goes but we might see some changes
tired cove
@sand egret interesting i'll check it out, i'm currently testing a super heavy vers/leech build, so far i gotten up to 25% with the trinket proc and weapon proc pretty interesting
sand egret
yeah please test it as well
i'm actually running some tests again as well in light of what was said above re: application priority
neon tangle
@tidal sleet Prot is good, DK is still king
midnight citrus
Anyone have a decent Battle for Dazar'Alor guide?
lavish oracle
Prot is pretty even with DK for M+ this season
neon tangle
@lavish oracle DK is still 50-60% of 15+ runs
and the new affix isn't going to be -bad- for them
lavish oracle
Popularity doesn't equal effectiveness
midnight citrus
To be fair the only reason they are still such a high % of runs is because not many ppl stuck with prot and geared them as their main
neon tangle
if anything mass grip + good kiting tools are going to let them pull bigger since there's no more infested to slow things down
lavish oracle
But yeah, Dk comes out ahead for reaping
austere oar
It's like Blizz wanna nerf tanks but keeps making mechanics where BDK is king
I srsly dont get it
lavish oracle
Take away mass grip, problem solved
neon tangle
I expect prot will do really well for everything but the most bleeding edge of keys where DK and monk can do silly shit and kit forever
(plus prot is fun because you get to actually hit shit)
warm plinth
Yeah tbh at this point in the game, taking mass grip away really would be a huge hit to DK utility. But they'd still have a very potent snare that other tanks lack, so I think they'd still be on top by a decent margin.
And ofc still have the most self-sustain
austere oar
Even without mass grip they would be top
lavish oracle
Prot is gonna be useful in cutting edge keys until its damage gets nerfed
austere oar
Mass is just exponentially increasing their domination
lavish oracle
Its just more reliant on their teammates utility
austere oar
But well, this meta is about like 1% of the m+ playerbase so that's ok at least
neon tangle
^^^ I guess to be sure, I think DKs will still own, and even maybe by a higher margin REALLY high keys
but that's the tippy top, if you're running high but not world leaderboard keys
prolly better as prot
and more fun
austere oar
Tbh I feel (feelycraft) that the gap between BdK and the rest will reduce as s2 goes on
Tanks recently (mostly BrM and ProtW) are starting to get closer to BDK
neon tangle
We'll have to see if the top end starts heading back to legion-style giant ass pulls once reaping happens
maybe trash mechanics will make that harder
merry cave
I hope it doesn't I enjoyed that ghuun slowed it down a bit and you had to think. Just mongo aoe pulling gets real old real fast
lavish oracle
Prot is closing the gap very quickly for a class that was like 4% of 15+ keys before 8.1
ionic sky
Is it worth using 2x 385 haste crit rings vs 370 haste versa rings?
sick sentinel
more stats> "better" stats
lavish oracle
Yes
neon tangle
maybe we'll see different tanks excel at different dungeons, especially on different weeks
bolstering, explosive, etc will slow down the mongo pulls
lavish oracle
Prot is already ridiculous for FH, Waycrest, and UR
neon tangle
Who knows tho, prot's allllll over the leaderboard for this week
which I guess plays in to my theory a bit
the top 3 runs this week were prot warrior
the first DK comes in at #8
lavish oracle
Yeah, prot is better than DK in a lot of dungeons right now
They're better than DK overall but not enough for people to justify switching mains, so they're just less popular
neon tangle
we'll have to see what happens I guess
my feelcrafting thinks that BDK's and mongo pulls on friendly affix weeks are going to keep topping the leaderboards
austere oar
I expect a BrM nerf also