IMO
#protection
steel mauve
If the healer is no longer sweating or running oom healing you, then getting more survival wont gain as much benefit kind of like a DR
sick sentinel
its just as valuable in raid
especially during progression
min maxing yourself in a way to just survive so you can push dps is so valuable
if you're not optimising for dps as best you can, youre doing it wrong
steady dragon
"pushing damage in raids is not important"
🐢
the only time its less important is when you're sacrificing survivability for dps
at which point it turns into the question of how much extra healer attention do i want to put on myself, and is it worth it
sick sentinel
@steel mauve first of all, my healer will dps if it is not grievous and he thinks I can survive, ( run with discs and resto druids a lot) and if me doing 2k less overall dps means that I can pull double packs in dungeons , it's still a time gain
silk mortar
My resto druids thinks putting on 3 hots will take 4 stacks of grievous away 🤔
sick sentinel
and yeah I would rather not die and CR a dps than using a CR on me
pushing damage is good when it does not come at a cost of survivability
for raids that is
using an external on me rather than using on a dps doing a mechanic is a big loss in my eyes. ( for example on zekvoz you want somebody to drop the rolling deceit out to the side during circles, he has to use a defensive or a healer external to do so)
or it's like you are saying that using healer externals on you during thrashes just to survive is completely fine.
steel mauve
Literally no one said that...
sick sentinel
"it is like"
steel mauve
No one even said any thing "like" that
Get enough to survive with out stressing healers, then go dps, with out sacrificing survival, its been like this aince wod
sick sentinel
yeah ok, that's fine but you will do that and judge for yourself when you are experienced enough with the spec and the content you are doing
so when giving advice to somebody new
we should tell them to go the survivability route
I disagree
because that sets a bad precedent for the player
why not teach the correct way first
because an unexperienced player will do way more mistakes than an experienced one
he should know both options
of course
steady dragon
mistakes make you learn very fast
"i got bitten by fetid and fell over, gee i wonder what i did wrong"
but why not make a new player jack of all trades, noone likes playing with a grey parsing 🐢
sick sentinel
this discord has a habit of undervaluing damage over survivability, which is bizarre since we do so much of it
oblique garnet
Remove tc spam and we generate no threat
silk mortar
Then you need to care about damage 😏
cold owl
It's an argument of degrees.
sick sentinel
did you genuinely think that they knew what they were doing when they put BoM into the game?
cold owl
I tend to side with unyun even though I mostly lurk. Focusing survival means bigger pulls in dungeons which translates to higher group damage. But if the pull sizes are otherwise limited, higher damage weighs more.
sick sentinel
because if they did, isn't that a way of accepting that our niece is damage?
austere oar
Mastery is also some sort of survival tool
ionic fern
Idk, my healer always says that if they have time to DPS then i ain't pulling enough. 😦
sick sentinel
it is, but having to having to hold my avatar as a surv CD isn't optimal
oblique garnet
You can pull 2-3 packs at a time even on like 15+ even if you go full dps traits in some dungeons
sick sentinel
and also even from triple bom, the mastery gain isn't enough for me to justify not using SB during the duration
I do pull 2-3 packs at a time when I have avatar up, yeah
less so on fortified but I mentioned above that I am talking for content I do not have "on farm"
oblique garnet
Even if its not on farm
summer kestrel
You can't for example on this week
oblique garnet
You gotta push your limits
sick sentinel
so +16s with fort and +17s on tyrr
gloomy juniper
hi meatsheidls, would like an opinion - I knw deafening crasghhs is amazing bit is it 15 ilevels of amazing? I have 345 shoulders with crash or 370 witrh bloodsport
summer kestrel
In M+ you want the smoothest run
sick sentinel
use the 370
gloomy juniper
*25 ilevs
summer kestrel
And that doesn't mean to just do tard dps
oblique garnet
It is the smoothest most time saving way to play tho pulling big
Theres no reason not to do that
summer kestrel
When you are going to die
sick sentinel
sometimes I use SB and SW 2-3 secs into the pull so I can avaclap them down when I pull big
summer kestrel
Thats a very good reason
oblique garnet
Well if you die on a double pack either you or your healer sucks
If you have cds up you shouldnt die
sick sentinel
^^
silk mortar
How do i know if my healer sucks
silk mortar
I pretty much never die
sick sentinel
silk mortar
But my resto druid friends seems to not be able to heal up necrotic
steady dragon
look at the hps meter 😉
silk mortar
Even when i kite
steady dragon
if its low blame them
oblique garnet
Well nobody can outheal necrotic tho
oblique garnet
Shouldnt be an issue aslong as you get the resets
silk mortar
mb
sick sentinel
I am using health pots to bridge the gap when I am at like 85%
if you're struggling with greivous as an rdruid
you're doing it wrong
silk mortar
Yeah my other healer friend said that too
oblique garnet
If im doing pug fuck healthpots etc im not gonna spend any more money than i have to with them
sick sentinel
I sometimes use SW if I think I will not need it at the next 2 mins
summer kestrel
What "cds"
sick sentinel
if I am at 3 stacks or some shit
summer kestrel
The one with 4 min which you use when multipacking?
sick sentinel
a lot depends on the occasion
oblique garnet
2min you mean?
sick sentinel
multipacking sounds like something a clerk would do at a supermarket
silk mortar
haha
oblique garnet
He is multipacking Nani?!
sick sentinel
multipack pulling
Its like a level up on the Sims, 'simon has just unlocked multipacking, he can now move houses even faster!'
oblique garnet
Kage you ever have that one song on your playlist that just straightup forces you to do a massive pull?
sick sentinel
for example when "Ready To Die" kicks in, it is skystep time
link it dont make me google it 😢
oblique garnet
How the fuck are 3 tacos 15€???
oblique garnet
Also @cosmic cargo 👌🏻
oblique garnet
I wonder if theres a leeroy jenkins sound board🤔
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
Would be great for telling the group to get ready
sick sentinel
I used to have one PepeHands
teamspeak days
but I was not tanking back then, I was using tricks on the tank, sprint and fan of knives
hybrid zealot
Guys is it possible to see if a tank was hit in the back to warcraftlogs?
modern brook
just search boss targets for *teleports behind you* "Nothing personal kid"
hybrid zealot
Uff
brisk ferry
that's amazing quote, but no you can't
lavish oracle
Big pull song
https://youtu.be/y6g5oOPN9To
sick sentinel
Tauren or Belf for m+?
Belf
tauren is nonviable at all?
or does belf just perform much better
if you like the look of it I guess
🤷
sick sentinel
pls no
uneven mason
but Belf has that dispel which allows you to remove some nasty buffs
uneven mason
better question
@finite wagon are you going to be doing MDI level keys?
because if not, it doesn't fucking matter
play what you like
because outside of niche strats, Blood elf racial isn't all its cracked up to be
sick sentinel
tauren stun is bad, because it puts them in stun dr
well it does matter, he asked which is better and belf is hands down better in m+
uneven mason
but the AE stun, that helps in a lot of places, it just doesn't have a spot in the expert tracks Pros run
ok
You're entitled to your Lord Sco infused opinion
but if he isnt' going to be pushing timers on 20s
it doesnt' fucking matter
uneven mason
Give a solid grounding why the B E racial is better -
for your avg key runner?
I wanna hear the math
and not "Because it is"
sick sentinel
how is that relevant, if he cares enough to know which is better
the applied use will have value to him
because having an aoe dispel handy without relying on your group is really really good
regardless of how high he is pushing lol
lavish oracle
Prot already has an AoE stun and tauren stun builds stun resistance?
sick sentinel
you have storm bolt+ shockwave, why do you need a third stun?
AoE dispel is really really valuable in m+
uneven mason
Where though?
lavish oracle
And yeah, dispels are real nice this xpac + the 15 rage it gens in boss pulls
sick sentinel
Lol
sick sentinel
Are you memeing
uneven mason
which packs are you using iti n
uneven mason
I want someone to provide information rather than repeating what they've just heard 3rd hand.
sick sentinel
👀
uneven mason
Like I get that the AE dispel is handy
sick sentinel
ok
uneven mason
and its used heavily
but just teling someone "BE Is best"
without knowing WHY yourself
modern brook
P sure zandalari is best
uneven mason
is just asinine
modern brook
literally any ghuuner add
sick sentinel
there is no dungeon in the game where it is not handy
uneven mason
and not trolling Prawn - literally only on this course because you came around and just lol'd "Don't try and tell him tauren over BE" (I didn't I said, literally, it doesn't matter in most situations)
sick sentinel
you hold shockwave for that and there are lot more stuns than there are dispels in the game
except if you are running with a DH who has 2 of both
uneven mason
See that's a good reason Ty unyun
modern brook
Holding shockwave sounds likea bitchelf method of dealing with ghuuners
lavish oracle
Do you really never use purges in dungeons mac, I could list a bunch of packs if disc didn't suck ahit on my phone
Shit*
uneven mason
I use them
I'm alliance though, so I'm not sure where the AE dispels from the racial come into play
I got an ele shaman in my pack since they got big D buffed
modern brook
Its like 80% removing buffs that your retard team doesnt kick
uneven mason
I mean, I also play prot
so mobs generally die
in lower keys before it becomes an issue.
lavish oracle
Any pack with more than one shield mob are great spots for belf
sick sentinel
I have a belf DH always that is pretty good so he handles the dispelling
@uneven mason
there is
modern brook
alliance shaman [yuck]
sick sentinel
also a hunter most of the time
so much shit you can use it on
its ridiculous
if you're being serious
sick sentinel
np
uneven mason
and not "lol its better"
lavish oracle
Minions of zul, UR skeles, TD casters to name a few
sick sentinel
but still, not having a group to always run with is pretty common
uneven mason
"LOL its better" is the same shit a paladin co tank does while getting 1 shot by fetid
sick sentinel
we let them cast so we can belf racial them tho
lavish oracle
I PUG bull
sick sentinel
I genuinelly thought you were trolling me @uneven mason
modern brook
all the more reason to blame your DPS over race changing
uneven mason
yeah I can see if you big D pull that hallway after 2nd bossi n UR that BE racials would be mad good
those fucking shields
lavish oracle
I'd definitely trade the purge for shadowmeld or Fireblood if I could though
brisk ferry
that's super handy, thanks for the link @sick sentinel
now to find a WA to help keep track of any dispellable buffs
modern brook
Use raid frames > WA for Belf Racial
I'm like 65% sure wa's cant track things unrelated to your target.
either way #ui-addons-manager shuold be able to help you
brisk ferry
cool thanks
brisk ferry
just switched to Belf, otherwise cba
uneven mason
ERT will track the racials I think
I use it for interrupt tracking as well
Yeah you can add any spell ID to tracking, so it would make sense you can add racials to it.
main vault
Did I just see more arguing that BE isnt the strongest race still?
uneven mason
Didn't argue that it wasn't literally asked for the "WHY" and not just telling folks the rote "BE is best"
thorn torrent
i raced changed as well i was debating between gob and belf i went with belf ll
uneven mason
called informed decisions
main vault
Yeah the purge is really it, since every dungeon has purgable things
Plus you have the be Ally for the only other good one, so rip you
thorn torrent
the weekly chest is available at 10?
uneven mason
7AM PST is when the chests hit
thorn torrent
so what 9 central?
main vault
yeah
uneven mason
basically when A_Groggy_Intern_03 stumbles into their officers in CA and hits the "boot everyone from dungeons" button by the front door
kidding, its automated
sand egret
man last week my chests suucked. I'm hoping for a big ol' payday today
old zephyr
LFD is best race, extra 5% DPS
weak marsh
Well in my last chest I got the wrong legendary 😦
sick sentinel
Blood elf best race
weak marsh
Both dwarves have strong racials too. You can or atleast could cure your necrotics
lavish oracle
Luv2 blue screen in the middle of a key and then immediately have my game crash when I get back in
sick sentinel
Disagree
silk moat
Shadowmeld is good, but how much can you realistically skip if you’re the only NE?
sand egret
Nightborne
silk moat
People say that it’s so good for m+ but 99% of the time I only use it to avoid dying
sand egret
change my mind
sick sentinel
Any death skip
lavish oracle
If you're the healer, kind've a lot
silk moat
I’m the tank
cosmic cargo
LFD is easily more aoe than just 5%
sick sentinel
Yeah it eliminates the need of a brez as well
cosmic cargo
for tanks at least
old zephyr
Warrior has A LOT of AoE already
silk moat
It’s really useful for WQ and warmode to hide like a pleb, I’ll give it that
cosmic cargo
but it scales with attack power so tank mastery
silk moat
I haven’t graduated to death skips yet
old zephyr
For me LFD is usually 5% but i could probably use it better
uneven mason
if your whole party is nightelves you don't need to death skip
cosmic cargo
get triple BoM and pop LFD racial 👌
lavish oracle
The dark iron racial is gonna be hella good next season
cosmic cargo
before changing to horde my pala was LFD, got a few neat logs thanks to that thing
nocturne portal
What do you guys think of the affixes this week?
lavish oracle
They are probably the worst possible combo for pushing keys
silk moat
Going Kul Tiran for sure. Extra stun could potentially give prot 4 interrupts which could be useful imo
uneven mason
knockback
silk moat
Yeah
The wave stun, storm bolt, pummel and knockback
Great for Mythic ghuun on those damn tendrils omg
lavish oracle
Honestly, I feel like the stun duration is going to get toned down
To 2 seconds or something
sick sentinel
@silk moat if you'll be doing mythic ghuun in 8.1.5 for some reason
small tendon
Kul tirans with shields ! Dockers in plate armor 😃
silk moat
I have a m10 atal shield
wheat bronze
DID is pretty damn useful in M+. Fireblood is amazing at clearing bleeds, necrotic, etc.
junior igloo
mythic uldir is 385, m+ will be 400 baseline in 2 weeks
wheat bronze
Even Grievous can be cleared with Fireblood
silk moat
400 baseline.... for what? +10?
junior igloo
yep
junior igloo
next week is temporarily capped at 385 (from +6 upwards), the mythic raid week raises it up to 400
cosmic cargo
^
sick sentinel
But heroic level gear first week seems iffy, so my hypothesis isn't great
wheat bronze
"Mythic+ rewards will also go up by 30 item levels; however, during the first week of Season 2, rewards from end-of-run chests will be capped at Mythic 6 quality (item level 385), and the chest you open next week will contain Season 1 rewards if you do a Mythic+ run this week. (So, for example, if you do a Mythic 10 during the final week of Season 1, you’ll get a Season 1 item level 380 piece and 60 Residuum from your first Season 2 chest.)"
sick sentinel
Oh really, so 385 is attained from a +6?
uneven mason
its what they did the first week of BFA M+
makes sense they're repeating that cycle
rather than doign what Legion did
silk moat
But m10 is gonna be really hard. I’m struggling to time m10 right now @ 381 ilvl. Could just be the groups but damn
sick sentinel
I can get my rogue to 385 from +6s, that sounds delicious
wheat bronze
Yeah, no sense in outgearing the raid before it's even open
uneven mason
@silk moat its definitely your groups
sand egret
yar def the groups
silk moat
I dunno. Pigging makes it hard to know how good the groups are
sand egret
waycrest is all how you pull it
uneven mason
shit group in Waycrest
silk moat
Gotta be the group I guess
sick sentinel
Lower keys attract worse players
uneven mason
and waycrest is cancer on Sanguine
sand egret
how you pull the maggots makes/breaks WM
on sang
that hallway is the biggest annoyance
sick sentinel
I did a 12td as fury last night, pretty spicy
sick sentinel
Bdk on suicide watch farming KR+6 next week
sand egret
it's often easier to pull it all out into the courtyard
sick sentinel
of you can do a +11 in 8.1 you can do a +6 in 8.1.5
if I can do +16s now I can do +15s with 8.1.5 ( esp with the extra rings)
My rogue sucks
Did a 10
sand egret
isn't +6 only 2 affixes?
sick sentinel
yes
sick sentinel
I'm going to farm +6 on Tuesday
uneven mason
but the +4 affix is the cancer one
sand egret
reaping?
sand egret
im really looking forward to that shit
lavish oracle
Ilvl reward is capped at 6, but TR doesn't
uneven mason
I Hope we can spell reflect that 25% Health nuke
sand egret
afaik we can
sick sentinel
:p I'm unsure
sand egret
are they cast on hits
sick sentinel
The casts are
sand egret
damn you weep
if that's the case they we're fucked
since it'll trigger SR almost immediately
sick sentinel
We'll be fine, don't worry
sand egret
if it isn't a cast on hit then it's fine
sick sentinel
shockwave->SR?
daring marlin
I’ll need to spam me some reg mythic and M+ tuesday
for the phat asserite and 385s
sand egret
yeah, i've got mostly 375 in my azerite so this is just straight power gains
going to be doing a lot of 375 > 400 jumping in my future methinks
sand egret
but why doe
uneven mason
Mythic center requires 48
sand egret
pfff
uneven mason
defensive traits are gud
daring marlin
yuck
sick sentinel
I think most method players are at 40
sand egret
center trait is +5 ilvl
lavish oracle
I thought method was going for 41 on main
sick sentinel
Think he's referring to center ring
sick sentinel
@lavish oracle the Germans are almost certainly at 41
MethodJosh is going for 43 tho
I don't really talk to Josh much
So idk
dreamy owl
who is better suited to take terrible trashs a prot warrior or a monk?
dreamy owl
rgr
cosmic cargo
though on farm put the warr as MT for dps
cosmic cargo
then yeah warr OT, brew MT
mental scarab
Dont say that @dusk locust 😭😭😭
dusk locust
i'm mostly looking forward to being creative with routes
lavish oracle
I think DK will be better for reaping in general just because they can AMS reap soul
errant wing
They dont cast reap soul when they dead
lavish oracle
They do cast it kind of a lot bedore that though
Unless you can kill the whole pack in a single thunderclap
errant wing
they can be stunned
lavish oracle
2 thunderclaps
uneven mason
SR the big nuke > AMSing a little debuff 👍
errant wing
yah, for me prot brings way more than a dk, the mass grip can be negated by clever los position of your group
uneven mason
well
ocean scarab
best talents for rbgs guys?
uneven mason
lets not go that far Dragon
ocean scarab
and pvp talents
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'm not saying prots gonna be bad
I just think DK has a lot of tools for reaping
Also, meg, wtf is up with your avatar?
ocean scarab
its a iron cross
sand egret
tbh, i don't think grip will be that needed on the souls seeing as they all b-line it to ya
lavish oracle
Pretty common among white supremacists, though
errant wing
is it a victoria cross world war medal icon
sand egret
if you get a bunch of the ranged souls mebbe
ocean scarab
anyways
sand egret
to be fair, so is that damn frog but that shit is everywhere so /shrug
sand egret
pvp channel
main vault
go to pvp
main vault
Also the Iron Cross is a part of the Nazis, not just the version with the swastika
ocean scarab
yes
main vault
Since it is a German military medal
main vault
It started as a medal in the wars against Napoleon
last glen
bold move using it as a discord avatar xd
steady dragon
pretty edgy
lavish oracle
Regardless of its historical context it has pretty fucked up social context today
main vault
I mean its literally the same as the people that argue that the Confederate Flag isnt racist, its "history"
But alas, not the channel
stark sage
yeah i've never felt that the iron cross was offensive
sick sentinel
It not like it has a swastika branded in the middle of it
fierce juniper
thorn mango
fun fact,harlan's knockback absoultely sucks lmao....just did a 9 freehold and wiped on harlan cause we attempted to skip that last group before him,and yeah......got knocked into that shit haha
brisk ferry
tank far left
uneven mason
^^
thorn mango
oh i did thats the fun part 😄
brisk ferry
if you pull, your dps and healer are fucking apes
nova rover
Hey guys, Butcher's block is more a dps triket right=
lavish oracle
Crit has some defensive value but yeah, its defenitely a trinket I'd wear primarily for DPS
PUG ranged dps and healers definitely have a bad habit of spreading for Harlan when they should be stacked
main vault
I mean
lavish oracle
At least during the 2nd half of the fight
main vault
It sounded like he wasnt being tanked right
From the way he said it it was him that got knocked into mob?
lavish oracle
Oh, I just assumed they meant someone else got knocked into it, too used to my own experience of seeing others get too close to the pack I guess
native bear
how many ilvls do I drop just to have an outer ring trait? (I dont have prot azerite gear atm)
lavish oracle
Oh, as in between a Fury or Arms trait and a prot trait?
uneven mason
ilvl is going to win more or less
native bear
I cant reforge every dungeon
stark sage
traits are very important to have
native bear
I dont always end up tanking
stark sage
then pick nuetral traits
uneven mason
^
sick sentinel
Pack of rezan
cosmic cargo
it's not viable to swap often
lavish oracle
I'd drop a bunch of ilvls for DC over a non-prot piece
native bear
nah not an option
so how many ilvls do I need to drop for a prot trait?
talking about the bis ones ofc
sick sentinel
Then do whatever you want
native bear
15? 30?
cosmic cargo
15 might be worth on some cases over no trait
lavish oracle
For the others probably like 15 or 30
cosmic cargo
but i understand your pain
stark sage
@native bear if you are comparing something like deafening crash to strike the anvil
its probably like 100 ilvls
stark sage
because STA has 0 value for prot
uneven mason
0_o
stark sage
he is comparing arms specific traits to prot traits
so bascially having no trait whatsoever
stark sage
yeah
stark sage
no
uneven mason
don't be doin that
native bear
I just want to have a set for prot and one for arms
uneven mason
confuses us 40IQ types
sick sentinel
Get more azerite
native bear
so I guess I'll settle for 15 ilvl lower if I can
sick sentinel
I have 2 sets
sick sentinel
Most of us that play both specs have 2 sets
cosmic cargo
but remember BfA is supposed to be friendly to offspecs
stark sage
if you arent going to respec your arms set, then having 2 sets is your only option
aside from just not playing prot
sick sentinel
But I don't think many of us do arms for dpd
I think a majority do fury
Stats transfer better and the apm is more comparable
cosmic cargo
fury 🤢
stark sage
its about 50/50
lavish oracle
I have like 2.5 sets
sick sentinel
I don't have actual stats but just as a class fury is pretty close to prot
stark sage
probably closer to 60-40 in favor of fury
just because fury is fotm
but in terms of gearing
all 3 specs are almost the same
ilvl with haste focus
sick sentinel
I thought arms preferred crit
stark sage
not since the removal of EP
lavish oracle
Even, if you have uldir pieces, Archive is pretty solid for prot
native bear
Im just gonna restore whatever piece have good trait for prot then, didnt think I'd be tanking dungeons this much so I just got rid of them before
nah I dinged like 2 weeks ago
cosmic cargo
tbh with the exception of frost dk all str classes are ilvl > haste
native bear
havent played since legion
sick sentinel
I run 2x390 archive 1x390 BoM
native bear
I just hate having 8 sec demo shout
when I was used to 12 in legion with legendary belt
lavish oracle
Yeah, just run M0 and get yourself a DC piece
sick sentinel
We have 14s with dc
native bear
I know, thats why I need to get an azerite for prot
but just wanted to know if it was worth dropping a lot of ilvls for
sick sentinel
Last stand 10min cd
modern brook
sick sentinel
Kela said approx 100 ilvl
modern brook
p sure they cover it there
sick sentinel
@modern brook doesn't help in this situation
modern brook
i dont read
uneven mason
@native bear dropping ilvl to get ANY prot trait over no Prot trait is a good idea, but a 385 arms specced piece is going to be stronger than a 325 prot piece
modern brook
Why cant we just spend 5 gold?
cosmic cargo
and level on T2-T3
stark sage
for DC
modern brook
I mean hippocritical coming from me
cosmic cargo
because it becomes hundreds or thousands very fast?
doubles every time remeber
*remember
uneven mason
DC would be worth it on a 325 peice over a 385 no trait
stark sage
tldr, if you are having to make the choice between a 330 DC piece and a 390 arms specific piece, consider farming some azerite ffs
lavish oracle
Yeah, its definitely worth at least 60 ilvl
native bear
jesus people have to read more than 1-2 lines of the convo before jumping into it
I got my answer and it was pretty clear
modern brook
I'm with kela
lavish oracle
Not sure you could justify a 285 piece over a 385, though
native bear
nah but its more like comparing a 360 to a 330 that I can restore
modern brook
p sure 340's drop from warfronts
native bear
not like 100 ilvl dont worry
sick sentinel
I'd kill myself before spamming warfronts
inland mesa
incursion for 370 piece
modern brook
good thing you dont need azerite pieces then :^)
lavish oracle
Agreed, I can barely be asked to do one when its up, tbh
thorn mango
not like warfronts will be much next week anyhow too. i mean the shift in ilevel wont take place till the next rotation,so unless your an xmog farmer u wont miss much
lavish oracle
When are heroic WFs becoming a thing?
modern brook
If you dont have 340 azerites a week before next raid tier
You're either a fresh reroll or dont want to spend gold on a respec
lavish oracle
Think they mentioned it was a fresh reroll
modern brook
sure
ie: WFs are helpful for getting azerite
I dont care if you like them
but to say its not farmable is straight up wrong.
THey're not targetable
and its not fun to farm them; sure
but you shouldnt be deciding between 320s and 385 off specs this late into tier
thorn mango
speaking of war fronts too,i know this is really,REALLY early to bring up but i wonder how they plan on doing the contribution phase once BFA ends. i know we're at least a full year yet fromn even remotely hearing about another expansion, but if and when we go to it. no ones going to do any sort of contribution,so if you want to farm xmog after BFA t hat may be impossible lol
hushed cobalt
I got a 390 rezans from chest. Now I'm i gotta decide between a 390 doom howl trink vs 385 ancient knot.
A bunch of crit for all of avatar but every other avatar, or a good amount of crit for most of avatar but every avatar
@thorn mango I want the 385 darkshore set cause feathery purple people eater
lavish oracle
Probably like the Broken shore turn-ins, skymane
The number needed scales with the number of turn ins per hour
Or some period of time, not sure how its measured
thorn mango
@hushed cobalt lmao im slowly working on that set myself, outside of the 2 385 pieces from the first 2 WF's im close to getting the regular plate set,the werid thing though is there doesnt seem like much for the "tier 2" version of the set,couple pieces with feathers and then u just use a few of the normal bits
vagrant arrow
versa or mastery? after haste
modern brook
preempting with ilvl > everything
Prefernce of stat depends on fight
ie: M+ really likes mastery since there are few insta gib mechanics and a most dungeons have a majority of damage come from auto attacks; ie is blockable
just gear for ilvl then haste then whatever you prefer
I do Ilvl>haste>crit
the optimization at the 3rd level of stats is pretty irrelevenat
main vault
Yeah thought so too
neon tangle
@main vault gutripper is a lil' overvalued since it was OP for ghuun
and people just kinda copied it
uneven mason
I run blood siphon
main vault
Well I cant invent traits on my pieces so
main vault
:lul:
sick sentinel
They're going to buy 2 pieces first day of mythic week, it's gonna be huge
Gingi might have enough to buy 3
Or however he's called
main vault
Yeah as much as they are funneling its massive
Thats why they grinding AP so hard, to unlock it all
Tells me they are worried about Limit
ebon hound
I quite like it on Fort weeks, but it's no longer fort week for US is it?
sick sentinel
silk moat
uneven mason
@main vault not surprising since Limit would of had the world first if some how one of their mages didnt' magically DC mid fight
quite suspicious that.
main vault
Naw there are a lot of reasons they lost WF
uneven mason
well, that one pull in particular
main vault
One pull doesnt lose you WF
Since they pulled him for an entire day and couldnt kill him but did the next
sick sentinel
Didn't method had a pala without beacons?
uneven mason
well
yeah
having to work a real job
not being in EU
since us Merican's are nutso workaholics
and most jobs don't get a ton of PTO
gaunt belfry
All the works
uneven mason
meanwhile my uncle working in Germany gets like 9 weeks
main vault
Allcraft just had Max on, it was actually a really good episode
gaunt belfry
What a dick, how dare he get so much pto
lavish oracle
I dunno, I don't see anything wrong with Max having confidence in his team, Josh comes off as a bit of jerk in the clip
gaunt belfry
Us Americans also hate people for being better than us so I’m just upholding the stereotype
main vault
Max didnt see it that way
I mean its shit talking between the only two possible WF guilds, nothing wrong with it
lavish oracle
I guess, I'm sure they know each other and shit talk on the regular. Probably doesn't phase the players themselves.
main vault
Josh is special anyways
I mean Method just took WF with Nnooga being memed the entire time
They dont care
sick sentinel
@lavish oracle It's because the clip is cut
main vault
I mean, its called a clip lol
sick sentinel
Before he opened the video he said "oh you want me to now to overreact to his clip so you can clip it and sent to him so he can bm me back"
And after he was like " you can clip it now"
lavish oracle
lol, okay, yeah, that's better
sick sentinel
It's just funny
lavish oracle
I don't watch Josh, so without the context its hard to tell if it's mean-spirited BM or friendly shit talk 😄
main vault
If you watched him youd realize he probably has Asperger's or something
lavish oracle
Do we know when Mechagon is scheduled to release? Is it releasing with 8.1.5 or 8.2?
sick sentinel
8.2 most likely
lavish oracle
Oh, nevermind, just realized the wowpedia page is an 8.2 stub
uneven mason
wowpediain2019
naive panther
Is that the kid that loves eagles?
lavish oracle
That certainly doesn't come off well...
lavish oracle
Gem hide for raid, Impassive for M+, generally
grizzled light
that was my thought just wanted to confirm thanks 😃
uneven mason
well
sick sentinel
it's only good if you can get value out of the avoidance
otherwise its a bit meh
IV would almost always be better
main vault
IV is my favorite
jagged bay
hi
naive panther
yeah I like IV. I like azerite veins too, but usually take dps on that one if it's decent..
undone vale
little judo action in the house eh
hard sigil
briny barnacle any good?
uneven mason
its meh
astral crystal
@main vault did he talk about tanks for bfd?
main vault
Naw not really that kinda show
More about prep/requirements and reflection
He did say they won’t be streaming BoD, but will be streaming the tiers after
silk moat
Is it possible to combo 3 azerite veins 3 IV’s?
silk mortar
Yeah sometimes it doesnt proc at all, but there is always that one time in your life where it will help, and not reg you to full health in an instant
silk mortar
Its amazing
stone cloud
Rezans fury or Bloodsport?
silk mortar
Depends on what you need
Bloodsport is obviously better defensive and rezan offensive
stone cloud
it has IV ❤
uneven mason
Bloodsporti s another big D heal parse trait
I think I might try and 3x Bloodsport
for the new raid
so I can out heal the BDKs
PVP shoulders, and Gryphon Riders chest have the below traits
sick sentinel
This isn't fair, this isn't fucking fair at all
uneven mason
*shrug
sick sentinel
God spites me at every fucking corner I see
A lower ilvl shield
BUT
My BiS chest atm
astral crystal
why you spending residuum
uneven mason
nah
sick sentinel
Because
uneven mason
just looking if it was possible to
astral crystal
you'll want to rando slots until you've got every piece covered
quiet crane
He did lmao ?
sick sentinel
What we have right now, doesnt just go up when BoD comes out
quiet crane
Link please so I can laugh
uneven mason
No I'm kidding
sick sentinel
So why would I just keep it
sick sentinel
The only piece of gear to buy from the vendoer when BoD comes out is the helm
uneven mason
any Azerite you buy NEXT TUESDAY
will literally have an extra ring on it
for the same price
👏
uneven mason
🤷 just saying
sick sentinel
Yeah, let me save that
uneven mason
could've RNG'd the chestpiece next week
and gotten
BoM
for free
or whatever extra ring trait your heart desires
sick sentinel
I'll have the tokens to re-roll for the chest in BoD
uneven mason
🤤 🔫
main vault
Cause all of ours are good, like pally
sick sentinel
Wait
uneven mason
as long as you got a nice DC
main vault
So at the costs, it’s just worth
sick sentinel
Mac did u think I was buy specfic?
uneven mason
No I think you were buying stuff the week before the 5th ring gets added
so you could have literally waited 7 days
and basically gotten 10~ ilvls worth of gear more for the same price
sick sentinel
By the time next week comes, ill have enough to buy another piece
uneven mason
it was one thing to blow TR the first 2 weeks of 8.1
but man, we're on the finish line and you're like WAIT BOYS I GOTTA BUY SOME NEW NIKES
astral crystal
the extra ring azerite pieces also have a hidden 20% stam modifier btw
sick sentinel
If I cared enough, id save it so I could buy 3 specfics by the time BoD comes out
from buy all the 385's ive gotten
buying*'
sick sentinel
I kinda feel like it won't be hidden, just that its on ptr right now
astral crystal
man i wish that would've been real
sick sentinel
It wasn't in Legion, why the fuck would it be in BFA?
Just stop making raids too
The keystone deletion, you see that
That existed for a period, in not "Beta"
So it had grounds for us to believe it was something new
sand egret
20% stam boost sounds like testing padding
uneven mason
well they originally stated that the 3x items in the chests was to compensate that we couldn't farm Azerite gear
sand egret
i.e. the triple drops from chests
uneven mason
so give us more of a chance of getting what we wanted
now we have Residium because they keep making things even shittier
uneven mason
"Justice Badges
sick sentinel
I GOTTA FARM DUR
neon tangle
what's bad about getting badges, and trading them for gear?
sand egret
it's bad because someone's opinion thinks its bad and you're bad if you disagree
- any thing in the game
uneven mason
its bad luck protection
sand egret
it's breadcrumbing
sick sentinel
Its part of the grand scheme
uneven mason
I mean Ion was one of the most vocal people screaming about the bad luck protection/free loot tokens in TBC
and now we have BLP on everything
"Titanforging"
is the ultimate in BLP
uneven mason
it kinda is
sand egret
it's actually the opposite
it's to create artificial high moments
in content where there otherwise wouldnt be
it's to make redundant content, not be.
because there's a chance you can get something worth it
neon tangle
^^^ it's just there to make farming bullshit you've already got a little less dumb
surreal stump
its just there so people can be like omg come do shit you dont want too and you could get a bis pc!
sand egret
and thus the greatest paradox in WoW design
sick sentinel
Its that stupid fucking quote about repetition and insanity that idiots try to use to make themselves seem smart
Made into a game design
sand egret
i mean also not really
but the quote is that repeating the same action but expecting a different result
neon tangle
@sick sentinel I think we take different things from that quote
sand egret
the fact that rng exists makes that quote not really relevant, tbh
as the quote is implicit that you know the outcome, reject it, but do it anyway
aka insanity
sand egret
i mean it would be relevant if boss dropped weapon X and you farmed it to get weapon Y, knowing it only drops weapon X
surreal stump
ive been that drunk before
surreal stump
just like every single time i go to dal on ally toons i get stuned
sick sentinel
Tech Y weapon can be seen as X weapon just better
surreal stump
like i know its gonna happen but do it anyways
sick sentinel
The same but different
sand egret
.....wut
we're talking cause and effect
farming X for Y despite knowing Y doesn't drop but X does is what I'm saying. If Y is better or worse doesn't matter.
sick sentinel
Then ur looking at it differently from me then
sand egret
I mean, i'm just looking at the quote you tried to reference
as that is what it means
but you probably have an actual other point, and that quote isn't doing you favors
neon tangle
@sick sentinel I don't think that they were trying to say "Doing something with a small chance of success makes you insane", but rather "Doing something you know has zero chance of success makes you insane"
sick sentinel
Forget it cause were are going to go at this for too long, and im starting to go insane myself right now
sick sentinel
Yeah will go start a gofundme for that
sand egret
i just wanted to know your point and sift through the misleading analogy
sick sentinel
Im looking at it just more from a grinding perspective not from "But also include rng"
sand egret
well from a grinding perspective, it's totally an interesting psychological state. Like, what makes a player want to grind?
specifically, grinding and not playing
sand egret
what is a player willing to grind for vs play for?
sick sentinel
What number, who cares. just make it real big
neon tangle
@sand egret If you want my guess it's probably there more to keep guilds / the community healthy
sand egret
so a social obligation?
neon tangle
more like it gives you a selfish reason to keep going to raids once you have gear
since there's a chance you can still get an upgrade
sand egret
makes sense, so quite the opposite then
it's the ego that drives it
vs a sense of selflessness
it's a really interesting space to think about, as this directly informs stuff like MTX etc.
neon tangle
similarly why rng can help keep people showing up, if you have that ONE trinket that you still need, you will prolly keep raiding even if your average ilvl is p high
sand egret
well part of that, I would argue, exists a sunk-cost situation. After all, if you're one trinket away from completing your goal then that last step doesn't seem too hard to invest into
neon tangle
pretty much
sand egret
definitely a completionist aspect to it for sure
neon tangle
A lot of people complain about how blizzard focuses on things that keep you playing
But I think that's something you need for a MMO to stay healthy
sand egret
you'd be shocked as to how much money companies invest to get that answer.
did you know that in a f2p mobile game you have ~15 seconds to hook a user?
it's why you get all the levels and shit super early in every f2p app. (it's also why they flood you with azerite sources at 120)
ebon lark
😓 Zandalari seems seem like a legit over powered race
unless they get nerfed into the ground
a proc for a random hp and armor bonus seems too nice to pass up
sick sentinel
question: What are the ideal uptimes for shield block and ignore pain in a mythic raid enviornment?
also, what traits (major/minor) do people use in raiding/m+?
main vault
Uptime isn’t what’s important
sick sentinel
^ proper use
main vault
Since it will vary by fight, that’s just basic math
sick sentinel
Even if u cast SB/IP 5 times each in a 5 mintue fight, so long as u do it correctly and for the right moments ur fine
main vault
Pmuch
sick sentinel
what is considered the correct time? I know thats a very general question so feel free to use any boss to explain
or any situation
if ur tanking a boss, U should have SB up
sick sentinel
so for IP its not "use when your IP is 30% or less"?
in other words, IP isn't about maximizing damage mitigation but more like CD (like last stand)?
neon tangle
I would use warcraftlogs and look at % of melee attacks you blocked, etc
main vault
You can use it to mitigate
sick sentinel
I don't have any logs for my warrior. I'm a prot paladin main and I'm playing prot warrior for fun but I feel as if I take loads more damage even though my gear is substantially better than my prot paladins
neon tangle
@sick sentinel without getting in to the weeds of using IP for specific attacks
You want to use IP as much as you can without using it too much 😛
stone imp
IP is a damage intake smoother and can be a mitigator, and sometimes one of your only ones for certain kinds of damage
main vault
But if I’m on boss, I have SB up and just used Demo
I may use rage in Revenge instead of IP
Cause I don’t really need IP
neon tangle
Too much: Wasting it since it can't stack more than 130%, using too much rage so you can't shield block
Too Little: Capping rage
sick sentinel
so the revenge damage is better than IP when you have "enough" mitigation going on?
main vault
For me it is
stone imp
Generally
sand egret
it's important to iterate the distinction of IP being a smoothing tool rather than a general mitigation tool
main vault
The art of tanking is skirting death without dying and pushing any leftover resources to dmg