I think that sfine
#protection
modern brook
and I'll take a 390 archive over a 375 bom every day of the week
tropic star
for sure right now i would say Archive is better than IF and BFI on higher keys
but i meant next season
BOm has been so nice
modern brook
I'm p sure next season will be 1x DC, 1x BoM, 4xiLvl
tropic star
and have the rage for both block and IP so i hit IP right of the bat and overcap
sand egret
at 415. Lepan had 3x BoM sitting at 84% mastery
modern brook
@tropic star
Charge->avatar in charge -> stomp->ds->stomp
first stomp maximizes damage in avatar + establishes threat
if you charge avatar DS you're yelling alot and things target your allies
tropic star
sorry. I was mostly jsut getting across the double IP issue
i do avartar+chage, stomp DS stomp
naive panther
yeah lower dps if you ds before
tropic star
gotta get threat before DS
naive panther
don't want to miss globals on your big hitter
sand egret
yeah i'd do that opener for 90% of my pulls
modern brook
it just lets you IP and SHieldblock if you're using it as a defensive cd
tropic star
yeah. i just dotn like that i blow Rage and overcap my IP since i had gotten the free one
tropic star
need to muscle memory to dump into revenge instead of immediately IPing
modern brook
IDK blade u have a tuant
just taunt it
no need for ST
unless said DPS is just way overgeared
tropic star
or skittish and you have DH
modern brook
Skittish is a non-affix
sand egret
avatar > Taunt+ HT +Charge in flight > TClap
modern brook
Ive only ever lost aggro to a DH if he beams a pulli dont have avatar for
tropic star
if my DH goes mongo he can grab it and it takes like my 3rd TC to get them all back
sand egret
gives me a fuckload of initial.
signal plover
Just get there first
modern brook
they have fel rush though
signal plover
Fuck em
modern brook
:^(
signal plover
Beat em
sand egret
and that meta leap!\
signal plover
Be a winner
modern brook
THEY ARE PRETTY HORNY
signal plover
Tru
modern brook
Ez jokes
uneven mason
been enjoying DHs
for lunch
they free kills in PVP
Lime Grape dual flavored HKs
modern brook
grape + citrus sounds gross, tbh
naive panther
grape is a base used in all kinds of things citrus, much like apple is a common fruit juice base
sick sentinel
I run 3xBoM and full dps middle traits
uneven mason
True Prot
"Dead mobs can't hurt me"
Also
I had a 10FH
and that rat
on the bridge
I'm like "i'm going to taunt him, and jog him back half way"
sick sentinel
Also I run wm block and knot
uneven mason
MOngo healer starts healing me, and then kills the rat
when it runs up to him
RIP key
sick sentinel
You don't pull him on the bridge fam
modern brook
DPS literally stands for Dumb People Trying
uneven mason
wat
modern brook
its a self given name
uneven mason
3/10 for effort
sick sentinel
I boosted some guild mates in 2 freehod 10s
modern brook
I'll take it
uneven mason
S != T
uneven mason
Yeah, that is literally my guild
There are 2 tanks who run M+ in my guild
and I'm one of them
and the only one nice enough to do keys outside of my "group"
sick sentinel
We +2d both keys
modern brook
@uneven mason If u want another boomie i got a sick 118 that I'll finish leveling for you
uneven mason
sure I Just abuse them for trees and typhoon
modern brook
as longa s you dont expect me to deal damage
sick sentinel
You don't even have to tank most of the time
modern brook
I sunfire then press big moon because its the funniest talent on the tier
uneven mason
5x Boomkin Resto affinity with Trees
I don't think we'd even need healing
passive regen
until like +12s
sick sentinel
My group also has a boomkin and I tell them that trees is a huge dps CD
sick sentinel
18k overall on that freehold btw
Hmc did like 300k damage
Still idk if it's worth it
Because unstable flames give crit which also has a defensive benefit
modern brook
were u struggling with not dying at all
slash was your healer ever stressing mana when he shouldnt be
ocean acorn
how do u deal with shadow of zul on higher keys
stark sage
kill him faster
ocean acorn
fuck shoulda tried that
stark sage
xd
ocean acorn
i feel like paper against him
stark sage
but really its just a dps race until you run out of mitigation/healer cooldowns
he just spams magic damage
so dont bother with block
IP and SR is all you can do
and SW
main vault
Lust him
supple path
Shield wall.
sick sentinel
do we know the fights in BFD yet
uneven mason
Zul - Shield Wall - Rally Cry at 4s to go on SW, hit a stam pot, Last stand while both RC/Stam are up(big heal) make sure you're intercepting melee to generate rage and 100% of your rage pumps into IP, no problem.
This of course is while your group blows lust and all CDs to kill him in time, make sure your healer knows not to use exteranls until your LS fades.
sick sentinel
fatboss has like
uneven mason
@sick sentinel as far as?
uneven mason
yeah
sick sentinel
never gets to the point
uneven mason
I mean, Sense updated the spreadsheet for blockable stuff
which basically everything is either reflectable or blockable
sick sentinel
ill b playing fury
uneven mason
Fury - don't stand in bad, slap buttons until rampage lights up, try not to short your KB with drool
sick sentinel
i like straight up dont log in anymiore
so it sounds like we know all the fights but 3
signal plover
I've finished heroic written guide for 5/9. Doing Rasta tonight. Maybe mekka. Info on on blockade and jaina(other than preach vid) is scarce
Opulence fights theres a pretty sweet gem for cleaving execute classes
neon tangle
who doesn't love a dungeon full of shooting dudes
with little ability to get them to move
summer kestrel
fucking sanguine
uneven mason
remove menace, give us dragons charge as a real talent+++
stone cloud
The bleed on grong is blockable
tropic star
praise jesus
tropic star
oh
then probably just the attack
and bleed still applies
now is the bleed mitigated by armor?
that would be excellent
steel mauve
No bleeds are afaik
tropic star
there was one in ToS
key word was
dunno if no mitigation on bleeds is the new stndard
sand egret
yeah afaik ToS was the exception to the rule
main vault
Yeah
I don’t believe that was a true bleed though
Just the tooltip said “bleeds...”
stark sage
gotta love consistency by blizz
sand egret
yeah, tbh "enrage" effects are worse in in regards to lack of consistency heh
keen galleon
They seem to be trying to move away from tanks being able to manage bleeds by themselves
Most tanks used to have answers
And now most don't.
sand egret
they're moving away from self-sufficiency in general
keen galleon
I don't mind that but wish it came with more utility or other ways to contribute
sand egret
so as a largely unmitigatable damage source, this shows up more
well the flip side is that this change isn't for tanks per se
keen galleon
I mean it's for us in the sense that they're trying to make us part of the group
Vs an unstoppable juggernaut followed around by 4 other dudes doing stuff
sand egret
it's also for those healers who literally didn't have to do shit towards the end of Legion when tanks were basically gods
keen galleon
And I guess even after the nerfs there's a strong consensus that tanks are the most important role in m+ even now
sand egret
which was very fun, but a bit insane haha
it'll always be a focal point in WoW due to how they structure content. The issue is the split of responsibilities that are exclusive to one spec or another giving each role their own value
neon tangle
idk how to make that fun for everyone
sand egret
it's pretty hard tbh
keen galleon
I mean tbf tanking is still fun this xpack
neon tangle
You make tanks rely on healers: It feels like you don't control your destiny
let tanks be independent: healing isn't an important role
sand egret
give them too much damage : why bring a dps
keen galleon
I think they've done s decent job of making tanks durable but not sustainable
Like if I play well it takes me a long time to die but I will die
naive panther
haha, any vengeance DH would disagree
sand egret
it's a problem they've been trying to solve for a while now haha
keen galleon
Sure vdh and bdk are both drain tanks and one sucks, the other is bonkers op
Which shows how hard managing drain tanks is
naive panther
yeah
well in legion Veng had decent damage reduction later on, with weaker ways to get hp back than DK, and it worked fine
sand egret
well, when you balance one's "reactive" heal by creating a "proactive" component it can get dicey.
naive panther
but I would agree warrior feels decent in that regard, as being dependent but play a tank that gets crushed and you feel hopeless
sand egret
playing a tank and getting crushed, but having no feedback as to why, sucks.
neon tangle
It's kinda cool seeing prot show up on the leaderboard
does not seem like the buffs to bear helped much
proven kite
is the engineering helm azerite traits good for prot warrior?
hollow thorn
It has DC
proven kite
DC?
silk moat
Disconnect
proven kite
deafening crash?
keen galleon
The engie helm seems solid unless you want to do a triple avatar build
keen galleon
Imho the true bis for warriors will use the helm off the dual masters
quiet crane
But if it’s got DC it’s already a goodie
But there’s better depending on the inner traits
keen galleon
The engineering helm has good outer ring traits but weak middle/center traits
It's a good early option or a good overall option if you aren't doing mythic
quiet crane
^ well there’s your answer
keen galleon
Greathelm of the Putrid Path / Helm of Tempered Jade will probably end up being true bis
Greathelm being slightly better but since the other dungeon helms blow it's not worth trying to random.
Aka you wont have it any time soon
quiet crane
I’m Gunna have to check traits on things so I can give answers
keen galleon
My current plan is to try for 3x avatar 1x deafening 2x general trait since general traits usually contribute more dps
Though I'm thinking iron fortress might be surprisingly good as well
It actually contributed a significant amount of damage in m+
Like 1.8% of my overall even with only a single 370 copy
keen galleon
Do you prefer gutripper or Heed My Call for middle ring?
quiet crane
Gutripper by a mile
Don’t need the extra cleave/aoe tbh and gutripper sims higher ST
I care about ST I’m a stooge like that
Don’t lose in aoe now I wanna be stronk in ST
keen galleon
Helm of Tempered Jade and Skyscortcher Pauldrons are your only options
And you'd need your breastplate to have both avatar and DC on it which means..m
quiet crane
Good thing I got loads of resi banked
keen galleon
Sea Swell Chestplate is your only 3rd piece
That gets you 3x avatar, 1x DC, 2x gutripper
Not bad actually. 2 raid pieces.
If you're willing to settle for hmc your options open up a lot
main vault
I like hmc
naive panther
i personally would only take gutripper on ghuun over heed
marble cipher
Yeah
sick sentinel
hmc great at breaking cc 😡
stone cloud
I disagree with the engi helm having weak inner traits. The cauterize currently (on my monk) does 700-900K healing as well as clearing most dangerous bleeds in 15 keys. Which is a pretty substantial amount of healing as well as trivializing difficult monk/warrior dungeons/encounters (atal and KR) and spark capacitor does around 4-7% overall dmg as well
sand egret
does it clear grevious?
stone cloud
A stack
stone cloud
Which all be it small can mean getting out of it quicker
Lol but can dorf leap in on KR and kill the minions? Didn’t think so 😄
sand egret
yes?
stone cloud
Lol probably ya
sand egret
i did it all the time lol
stone cloud
Faster as blood elf doe
stone cloud
I know
stone cloud
Will give them that dorfs have them beards
sand egret
and firebeards*
stone cloud
But as horde 100% easier to find a group haha
sand egret
and 100% more likely to be pricks in said group 😃
stone cloud
Sometimes 😃 I’ve seen alliance be pricks too
keen galleon
Inner traits was referring mostly to 2nd ring from center
keen galleon
Yeah. The engineering helm is a versatile piece that wont be true bis for either offense or defense but adds value for either build imho
Wont be offensive bis because triple bom is too good
Well. It might end up being defensive bis.
Spark cap is the only % reduction in azerite.
Which is pretty major for mythic+ and raid
Personally I'm building it because DC is our only 100% required trait so I like the idea of having that mostly covered.
quiet crane
I know HMC would be better then gutripper in mythic plus overall I just like the added ST since my aoe and cleave is just retarded strong I don’t feel like I need to add to it
But yeah HMC also breaks Cc
keen galleon
What cc does HMC break that thunderclap won't?
sick sentinel
HmC breaks cc since its an aoe and deals damage if i recall
keen galleon
Got it.
signal plover
Did they finish the prot warr APL while I wasn't looking? Got some peeps linking prot warr dps sims to me
amber siren
afaik AMR has one but AMR has it's own set of problems, I doubt their prot sims are accurate
sick sentinel
No
It's enabled
Not finished
@keen galleon DC isn't required
It's closer to 15-25 ilvls now
Instead of 45
signal plover
thnx
keen galleon
I mean okay yeah. It's not ABSOLUTELY 100% required. But it sucks to lose and having it on a guaranteed 415 piece is nice.
stone cloud
Until you have rng like me on my monk and still have never gotten zul shoulders or zek voz weapon
true plover
345 DC vs 375 Bloodsport? Still keep DC until the double ringed azerite gear comes out?
sick sentinel
Just go with BS
steel mauve
if its your only DC i would probably still keep the DC
true plover
It is. I've had bad luck with DC items so 345 is the highest and I have no real way to farm any out.
steel mauve
i got lucky with an emissary 375 one
true plover
Just RNGd some for 50 residuum lol
neon tangle
It seems more fun to me
infested is kinda like sanguine to me: Not super hard, just tedious
daring marlin
yep
neon tangle
I also play with horribly uncoordinated groups, so AoE-ing a bunch of shit down is more doable than "oh hey re-cc that mob, on, nope, OK the triple pack is now at 100% health"
"focus on the infested mob, oh, we let other stuff get infested"
sand egret
reaping is WAY more pug friendly, when you’re the tank
neon tangle
season 2 should be fun
I might actually do KR
somehow went through all of s1 w/o running it
stone imp
KR isn't so bad anymore
sand egret
pretty sure i'm the only one who likes that place
neon tangle
I tried it once but ended up w/ a tryhard group
stone imp
It's noticeably harder than other dungeons level-for-level, but it's been nerfed a lot.
neon tangle
yelled at me to go faster, went faster, yelled at me for pulling too fast
neon tangle
dps got feared in to more mobs, got blamed on me
stone imp
It's a less annoying Seat. At least it's predictable.
No one should even get in melee range of the fear adds
neon tangle
tbh not even sure what fears
sand egret
minions of zul
main vault
The minions
stone imp
The little zulings
stone imp
Yeah, the one with the serpent they move around the quadrant of the room. They need to be taken care of when they do their first movement
if they get all the way into the back, yeah, it'll be hard
main vault
Bolstering :Pepehands:
sand egret
yeah, tbh, do they go all the way around. last time i saw they just sit on the big packl
stone imp
They start on the big pack, then move forward, then lateral, then back and I think they stop there
sand egret
yeah, that's why ya pull the two, then get the lil' guys by the time they get to the quad before the big pack
that's what I do at least
cold heath
hey guys i just came back from a while w/o playing, what stats should i got for to tank M+
sand egret
no real priority. ilvl is biggest
sick sentinel
how is flat block value translated into blocked %? is there a good resource w info
sand egret
haste wins out if you're in the luxury to choose, but they are all real close
cold heath
ok thanks
sand egret
also, obligatory, 
for any new prot questions 😃
cold heath
so no need to try to find a way to sim or get a pawn string for it
sand egret
short answer is no reason to do so
neon tangle
@cold heath also note that the new season starts in a couple weeks
sand egret
you gonna be swimmin in gear haha
cold heath
thank you, what you mean new season?
sand egret
mythic + season
neon tangle
@cold heath the tl;dr is that loot drops go up ~30 ilvls from most sources
cold heath
lol didnt know there wasr m+ seasons
sand egret
yep. we're going into season 2
sand egret
the 10+ affix changes as well
neon tangle
basically not worth investing -too- much time in to gear/etc right now since you'll get the same rewards from trivial content in 2 weeks
sand egret
so strategies involving "infested" you may read will be irrelevant
eh, it's prob worth it for the ease of getting into M0's to get to gearing
but yeah, whatever you get this week basically will be nothing compared to next haha
or two *
cold heath
well since i didnt play for a while i am struggling to get invited in dps cause io ain't too high since i didnt do anything for nearly 2months
neon tangle
end of a season/raid tier is always hard to get invites
everyone knows stuff really well, and is geared to shit
no reason to try out someone w/ less gear or who might not know stuff
sand egret
yep, people just wanna snooze through and can sift through a sea of bored geared people
why take a 400 r.io guy when I got a 1.2 sitting in queue
etc.
cold heath
yah i know
neon tangle
but in a week you'll be getting a fresh-ish start with everyone else 😃
sand egret
best advice i tell anyone. ride your key
cold heath
just suck cause it doesn't always mean he's better, sometime just mean he got more spare time lol
neon tangle
so perfect time to come back
sand egret
but it's way easier to ride as a tank haha
main vault
98% of the time it means it is better
sand egret
i would say 79.43%
main vault
People say all the time “I would have more prog if more time” and higher score and etc
It’s almost never true
9 times out of 10 the guy that plays is better, and for a good reason
steel mauve
there are 2 day raid teams that get cutting edge and 3+ day raid teams that dont
main vault
Sure
But all the players still play
Some guy doesn’t log in after a time of not playing and magically do more dps and have mechanics down over them
Like when people say they have higher score and better gear because they play more
Or someone is more progressed
No
It’s because they are better than you
cosmic cargo
^
neon tangle
I mean, I know people who are CE and have shit parses
dunno why their guild brings them
cosmic cargo
now you can be lucky to be in guild that's better than you but that's a different story
neon tangle
also best part about warcraftlogs is parse-by-ilvl
easier to overall parse higher if you get some baller gear
cosmic cargo
ilvl parses are the cheesiest shit ever
equip a garbage cloak, gz you got 100 for ilvl
neon tangle
If you make a metric people will cheese it
cosmic cargo
no one takes ilvl parses serious in terms of ranking generally
decent indication if you're undefeated maybe, otherwise eh
neon tangle
I will normally check it when I see high ilvl + low progress, especially if their parses are already marginal
Generally don't care if I see a 100 or w/e, mostly care if "by ilvl" drops it down a bunch
sick sentinel
Honestly at this point parses can not be looked at seriously anymore for anything
main vault
Yeah the numbers mean nothing
sick sentinel
Oh man, this ele shaman has a legend parse in x fight
Chances are it was some cheese
sick sentinel
Is that an official link?
steel mauve
have a 52 second fight
main vault
Yeah
main vault
Almost HFC level
steel mauve
the dps had their cd's up for 90% of the fight, potions up for 50% of the fight
sick sentinel
Well Heroic Fetid is like a minute and half fight
Since u know, u can ignore mechs with fast dps
warm plinth
You know some cheesy stuff is going on when 100% parse is 4x the 98 percentile lol
sick sentinel
I'm more shocked it wasn't reported anywhere
cosmic cargo
something is off there
warm plinth
It's just a really short fight. That's basically their burst DPS
cosmic cargo
compare both prob wares
sick sentinel
Nah
sick sentinel
That fury war has 150k per hit on ramp
cosmic cargo
there's some fuckery going on
sick sentinel
That's bug abuse
cosmic cargo
shows only boss on the log though
warm plinth
It shows Fetid as their target for all hits though
cosmic cargo
that's my bet
sick sentinel
Manipulating log is time consuming but not extraordinarily difficult
cosmic cargo
with a python script shouldn't be too time consuming
sick sentinel
If they did it, they did it very accurately
warm plinth
Well if you hover over Rampage, it doesn't match what the "Avg Cast" column says
sick sentinel
Maybe
sand egret
well the DH had one nutty annihilation which really offset the log
sick sentinel
Depends on how much hp fetid has lul
warm plinth
Shows 32,409 and 65,083 for averages (hit and crit)
sand egret
which looks like a massive BB proc
sick sentinel
@warm plinth per cast and per hit are not the same
sand egret
300K dps spike
sick sentinel
Rampage works by casting 4 spells
sick sentinel
Yeah
main vault
But it’s an exploit
sick sentinel
Bug abuse
cosmic cargo
what bug?
main vault
Idk he didn’t say
cosmic cargo
but generally kihra removes bug exploit
main vault
cosmic cargo
from rankings at least
sick sentinel
They remove it when they know what the bug is
main vault
Yeah he leaves it until confirmed
sick sentinel
I'd wager it's in pending removal
main vault
And when Blizz does something
sick sentinel
This dude is why I can't parse
cosmic cargo
the mother bug khira did something before blizz I remember that
sick sentinel
Obviously
cosmic cargo
the instance skip to last phase shit
main vault
Yeah
cosmic cargo
*instant
main vault
But one log and dozens of raids are different
warm plinth
The important thing is that they're removed in the end, which I'm sure they will be.
cosmic cargo
I cannot type today
sick sentinel
Maybe cus they knew what it was or he implemented an automatic way to remove
sick sentinel
Ugh I'm super curious what this is
main vault
My money is on MCing the trash
main vault
Way to catch up
oblique garnet
+10 at s2 will give 650
warm plinth
main vault
Yeah it’s been discussed a few times
oblique garnet
Rly
warm plinth
He's just making sure he lives up to his namesake is all
warm plinth
His name, not sure why I said namesake lul
oblique garnet
Well im not always here smh
warm plinth
Well that just sounds like your priorities are wrong
Skyhold > real life, didn't you know?
warm plinth
Cheap? 🤔
I guess if you raid every week it seems that way
If you don't, it's 3 weeks of M+ to get one random piece.
oblique garnet
If you also do the assaults etc
main vault
It’s two weeks of full activity to get
warm plinth
I wonder how many players actually have "full activity" as you put it.
oblique garnet
Definitely better than the lets hope lets hope system they had begore
Well idc about the casual players
oblique garnet
Idk
If theres a system to prevent duplicates i think it would be worth more to just buy randoms
inland mesa
That's a massive jump to specific
oblique garnet
With the added 5th ring theres so many pieces that have bom i think its not that bad chances to buying random piece to have it and atleast one dc
sand egret
oooh, noice! time to save
warm plinth
What are the sources for residuum? Scrapping, DEing, M+ cache, and what else? Raid bosses I'm guessing?
warm plinth
You said assaults give it? Is that from the end quest or just random WQs during the assault?
oblique garnet
Assault azerite reward
warm plinth
Oh right
oblique garnet
So im 390 i wonder if the emissary rewards will scale up to 400 already or nah
oblique garnet
For the specific one?
astral crystal
yep
oblique garnet
I think if you do +20 you get like 800~
warm plinth
Emissaries are only scaling to 385, not 400 @oblique garnet
sand egret
emissary goes to 385
warm plinth
Darkshore rewards (world boss and warfront quest) will be going up to 400
sand egret
yep, so if its shit azerite that's 115 residuum right there
sand egret
pvp rewards, random emissary 385 dusting, idk at least the random 415's seem good
oblique garnet
115 free residuum
oblique garnet
And chances are actually ok
sand egret
this isn't including people who can dust raid gear
warm plinth
You only get TR from scrapping azerite gear right, not non-azerite?
sand egret
heck, ill prob do LFR just to bonus roll to get some dust haha
yeah just azerite
at the end of the day, at least I know if I do X I'll get a 415 piece by Y
and as a player who doesn't raid and only does M+, that's nice
warm plinth
Yeah, worst case you can do a +10 every week and get a random every 3 weeks
sand egret
yup yup
warm plinth
with some left over
sand egret
- the fact that the "random" roll you'll get won't feel as shitty with traits...at least less often haha
warm plinth
I'm kinda surprised that the 5th ring is on the outside. I figured they'd have added it in the middle before the ilevel node.
But then I haven't paid much attention to where the rings are lol
sand egret
well it had to be.
main vault
I’m not
They have spent the entire xpac trying to ruin the system and nullify it
This does it
sand egret
people only give a shit about the class traits, which the biggest issue was a must-have and have-nots. Tripling that was huge
main vault
Now anyone can get all the traits so no feelsbadman
oblique garnet
Wdym all the traits
sand egret
tbh it's more than each piece of gear is worth more, so the "woe is me" for having not the ideal piece isn't nearly as bad. There are a lot more close cases
warm plinth
I think from a progression perspective it would've been better to put it near the center. Would've given another thing to work for instead of grinding just to get a 5 ilevel increase.
main vault
I mean the casuals can’t cry about not getting Blaster Master
Or Pulsar
Or TC
They don’t care about prog
sand egret
it's a way to combat rng
main vault
They care about hooking casuals
warm plinth
I think the ring existing does that though. I don't see why they needed to make it an automatic acquisition though.
Except as Nexii said, to cater to the ultra-casual that won't have the neck level to get another inner ring
sand egret
a recycle system + more potential variation within the item itself = less gripe per instance of loot
it's the immediacy
it's not about ultra-casual, as much as "we want you to feel powerful early"
give em the hit
give em another
and boom
warm plinth
Haha, yeah I suppose. That would probably work really well if there were more actual meaningful traits 😂
oblique garnet
If only you could get 6x BoM smh
sand egret
they just aren't set bonuses/legendary affixes/ talents
which people conflate them with
leaving inevitable disappointment.
main vault
I agree for progression it’s better in the middle
But any coke dealer knows you give them the good shit first time
Then the normal shit every other time
sand egret
yup
2 options out the gate
if it was on the inner, then it's just fuel to the "we hate the ap grind" fire
main vault
Yup
If you make it seem further away, they stop without trying
So you don’t get the hook
oblique garnet
Im already dissapointed on the s3 affix with it being some bs ability that all the nagas do like a tsunami chasing you throughout the dungeon or some other bs
sand egret
(although, there is a world where that is kinda cool)
like if random mobs had air pockets
and it's all dark world metroid style
oblique garnet
Dont warlocks have the undending breath tho?
sand egret
it's not actual breath loss lol or that would be OP
main vault
10min iirc
sand egret
but more of a dampening effect.
oblique garnet
Imagine it
sand egret
themed as some creeping Void darkness
oblique garnet
Always losing breath
sand egret
sanity theme?
you go more insane, do more damage and resets per boss
so you can ride the line then clear it at the last minute or not 😃
i just want a double-edged sword affix
oblique garnet
I want sanguine removed
sand egret
i want the pools to be more potent, but a smaller radius
oblique garnet
Nothing like that 10% hp mob starting 2 uninterruptable casts in a puddle and healing to full
Every.Single.Time
Oh did i mention its immune to knockbacks aswell :^)
Or you do wm or tol and theres sanguine everywhere
main vault
Sanguine is dumb
oblique garnet
Its a garbage affix designed by garbage people and should be removed in legion it was fine due to more space to kite and not as many fucking immovable adds
sick sentinel
They should put sanguine
Alongside overflow
And never let them see the light of day again
main vault
I just hate what they have done to m+
I was over 4k on my EU VDH in Legion
And I just don’t care about pushing anymore
It’s just not fun
sick sentinel
You were 4k at the end of the expac
At the same timeframe where you were 4k, you will probably be 4k again
Some weeks are just not fun, yeah
main vault
The score isn’t the issue
The issue is I had fun doing it enough to care about pushing
sick sentinel
But a week like the previous one was really fun
main vault
And it’s not the same level of fun anymore
Dungeon design doesn’t change week by week
Neither do affix levels
So no, not really
main vault
Even if you didn’t like the dungeons
Their design was 10x better for m+ than what we have now
And not nearly as buggy
sick sentinel
I agree on the buggy part
But I think you're looking back with rose tinted glasses
Just because the game is way worse than late legion( nobody disagrees with that) doesn't necessarily mean that everything was better
main vault
No one said that
I said that BFA dungeons are poorly designed for m+
Which they are
Doesn’t have anything to do with azerite, or AP, or anything
Could care less
sick sentinel
I will agree with the fact that they were not designed with the affixes in mind
sick sentinel
I misread what you said
The #fury channel is full of negativity hating the game completely etc so I went a bit defence mode
main vault
There is a lot I don’t like for sure
But I was just meaning m+ design itself
It’s just a large failure
Gear swapping, design, etc
Not being able to farm AP
sick sentinel
Gear swapping was necessary with legendaries tho
main vault
It can still be utilized just as much
main vault
Sure
Maybe not Prot War specifically, but there are still places
Other classes for sure
sick sentinel
What I dislike about bfa m+ is the inconsistency
For example, I like that the event in freehold is not random
main vault
Yeah
sick sentinel
But why is the WM starting door random
main vault
I just restart the key if it’s right
sick sentinel
Top right is not that bad
Bottom right is shit
Wait no, top right is fine as long as a witch does not spawn in the bottom room because she pulls the pack
LIke, why?
Because if she does not spawn or if she wipes you
You can hug wall and go to corridor
Where in some weeks you can skystep pull
open bluff
waycrest is random every single time iirc
steel mauve
each week
steel mauve
its the same path every week
open bluff
i know freehold is the same set of bosses for captains every week
steel mauve
unless it's different for m+ the heroic my guildies did yesterday was the same path as the m+ we just did
sick sentinel
Witches are the same, starting door is random
sick sentinel
I too had 3 times in a row the same door
But we did 5 more runs that week and it was different
Doing 2 runs and saying that is the same for the whole week is just...
main vault
Just got told what the exploit is
oblique garnet
On fetid?
oblique garnet
Game breaking or?
sick sentinel
110k dps
main vault
Rextroy level
sick sentinel
On single target
oblique garnet
Oh
sick sentinel
Hc fetid died in 52 sec
warm plinth
3 people did 50k+, with 2 of them breaking 100k
oblique garnet
Well the fight doesnt last more than 1 min with good dps anyway
main vault
It’s basically getting a mob buff
warm plinth
main vault
Then being summoned in
oblique garnet
Ye ive seen the log
warm plinth
Ah okay
main vault
Nd pulling before it drops
warm plinth
How dumb do you have to be to do something you're obviously not allowed to do, and then log it knowing that everyone can see it smh
oblique garnet
I dont see how that would result in an ingame ban
sick sentinel
They banned him for miscommunication on blizzards part
oblique garnet
They banned rextroy for killing people with the bug
sick sentinel
He QAs for free because blizzard can't be bothered to ask
main vault
Rextroy deserves to be banned
sick sentinel
Also whenever he does the exploits they fix the bug right before he posts it
main vault
You can’t self appoint yourself QA
sick sentinel
The guy was running around oneshotting people with judgement
main vault
And if you have to go to a place to get a buff
sick sentinel
I like rextroy though
warm plinth
There's a thin line between clever use of game mechanics and straight up exploiting something that isn't supposed to happen; this leaps right over that line. No one can legitimately say that they didn't know you can't bring buffs from outside mobs into a raid environment.
main vault
It’s the same as Temple
sick sentinel
He reported it, showed how to recreate it, and waits for the fix before posting
Its different using this to get a cutting edge kill
And using on hc fetid
2weeks before the next tier
That's how u QA, whether it's in ptr or live
sick sentinel
Whether u like it or not, that's personal
If a guild got famed slayer because of something like this, fuck it, ban all 20 of them
Take into account, he was the only one who knew about and was able to exploit it so if u want to get mad about something get mad about people exploiting tos and FH twice
main vault
Isn’t he the one that tried to steal Miones Yogg Saron solo?
Or what that the other R guy
sick sentinel
Something more legit and more serious and not some bullshit bug
dreamy owl
what will be the best azerite pieaces on raid
sick sentinel
Treacherous covenant (?) Looks like a fucking snack imo
Get 3 of those with 2-3 BFI and maybe 1 DC
main vault
@sick sentinel it’s getting a mob buff and being summoned to Fetid
sick sentinel
ah
so the same as vectis then
makes sense
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i actually thought it was that
xd
main vault
Basically the same yeah
cursive plover
question. i have a 345 helm with Deafening crash. just got a 385 helm with Rezans fury and bloodsport. i dont have another deafening crash and my others are 1 archive of the titan and 1 brace for impact. which one should i run? the dps or the surv help
cursive plover
of course, i wanna know either bloodsport or rezans
sand egret
BSport
cursive plover
alright coo
love pulling 15k single target cause rezans but i did get fucked up pretty hard cause weaker surv
overwhelming power, winds of war, and blood siphon. im assuming OVP
sand egret
ya
cursive plover
tyvm
carmine ibex
does anyone know how to find the damage prevented/transferred using safeguard in WCL
(or even the base intercept, for that matter)
stone crag
post a log with a correct charge on a friendly target with SG
carmine ibex
@sick sentinel sure, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZKTLjpNnGVbMgwa7/#fight=70&type=summary
stone crag
seems to be just categorized as safeguard under damage taken
basic intercepts would just be melees
dark lark
hi all, but what happened to the pin with the blockable/reflectable abilities?
stone crag
#268491842637660160 for some reason the pins got pruned
dark lark
JUST LIKE OUR GAME
stone crag
hmmm
dark lark
ok thanks. also, how many ilvls is a socket generally worth? (i.e. 380 w/ socket vs 385 w/o socket)
stone crag
depends on the piece, generally 5 ilevels would be worth unless it's on a shield
dark lark
mine are 380 socket wrists with vers/mastery; and 385 wrist with haste/vers
carmine ibex
@stone crag where, though? I'm trying to quantify how much damage I prevented on the OT
I see it in the actual text log as "DAMAGE_SPLIT" but I don't see how to quantify that in WCL itself
stone crag
sick sentinel
Ilvl > socket on shield
warm plinth
@dark lark Typically you can determine a socket's worth by adding up the existing stats on a piece (outside of weapon/shield) and seeing if the socket (assuming a 40 stat gem) would cause your total stats for that piece to be more than the unsocketed gear. Which slot you're comparing will determine its worth. For example, a ring socket is worth approximately ~22 ilevels.
Yeah I pretty much ignore the existence of a socket if it's a weapon, shield, or trinket.
main vault
My limit is about 10
warm plinth
I tend to agree. Even on a ring I don't think I'd actually sacrifice 20 ilevels.
It'd feel too wrong.
main vault
Yeah
sick sentinel
hi everyone. does anybody have advice on simming as a prot spec (mainly for dps)? it seems like raidbots doesn't support it. even for the basic stuff like sorting out stat weights
warm plinth
We are the readheaded stepchild of simcraft/raidbots. Our spec is the only tank spec (as far as I know) that is not supported for DPS sims.
main vault
And I wouldn’t call sorting tank stat weights basic
sick sentinel
so what do people do as an alternative?
main vault
🤔
warm plinth
Go for ilevel over everything else. We know enough to know that our secondaries are fairly close in value.
So more stats > better stats.
main vault
There is a spreadsheet you can use
warm plinth
Just FYI, you will have to update the Vanguard value and SB cooldown in that spreadsheet; they haven't been updated to 8.1 values last I knew.
But other than that it should be fine.
That's also mostly for defensive purposes, not DPS.
polar eagle
iron fortress over bloodsport but BS is 15 ilv higher use it ?
warm plinth
Yes
The only trait worth dropping ilevel for is Deafening Crash, and only if you don't have a single trait of it.
warm plinth
It's good, but not better than most of our class traits.
tropic wedge
Hello, I am looking for a good website with all theorycraft about war tank (like stats cap, dmg of each arerit traits, ...), do you know some site like that ? thanks
A french war tank 😃
vocal nimbus
You can find all the relevant information at #268491842637660160
sweet kettle
^^
tropic wedge
Yes, I already have check those link and answers of the FAQ, but it's just one source so I want to check some other to build my opinion (I don't know if it's good in english ^^')
vocal nimbus
It is the most trustworthy information you can find
tropic wedge
ok, but for example in icy veins they say you have to enchant your ring with +37 haste but in raiderio they say +37 versatility. Same problem with the enchant of weapon
( I think it was not raiderio but the problem is the same)
ionic fern
Go with Icy veins.
tropic wedge
ok thx ^^
vocal nimbus
( I think it was not raiderio
main vault
Makes sense, none of the tank son first page use vers
final mist
If it's not IV, don't trust it.
There's a lot of untrustworthy sites (Noxic, AMR, etc).
cosmic cargo
surprisingly enough AMR is the best source for formulas and constants
sick sentinel
what would be the best engineering trait from helmet
im going to make 385 first week one is obviously for tank yet not sure about proc rate of others aswell
marble cipher
Isn't Capacitor considered to be one of the better ones? Increased aoe dps and also 5% damage reduction?
Not sure though
Don't really know what the best inner engi trait is though, the shield or the cauterizer (heal+dispell)
sick sentinel
yeah that one seems really good
there is also a haste or str buff one
i wonder about the proc rate also since no simc to back-up damage value its kinda hard to decide
marble cipher
if you hover over the traits on wowhead, you get the procrate
if the data is correct, they're all 1.5 procs per minute
sick sentinel
tank one seems better then good aoe aswell
i will test all of them anyway thanks for info tho 😄
pulsar elbow
is a trinket list available for prot warrs? or does the same thing apply (ilvl is key)
marble cipher
Rezan's Gleaming Eye is really good (atal dazar, str trinket with a haste proc)
sick sentinel
@warm plinth for a dps spec that does not value stamina, yes, you dropping 20 ilvls for a socket is pretty common.
Tanks value stamina so you drop up to 10
steady dragon
@sick sentinel that sounds like the biggest pile of feelycraft ive seen in a while
cosmic cargo
why did you delete the other sentence? 🤔
steady dragon
cuz stamina has value outside of burst scenarios
and i forgot
still, tanks "valuing" stamina is a huge meme
sick sentinel
^
sick sentinel
we had a big ring discussion when somebody dropped a screenshot of 9 rings and he asked us what he should equip
and even on the same ring when it was 390 or 380+s , marok told him the 380 because it had "more stats"
i can find the whole discussion if you want, even though it will take a while
pulsar elbow
so if i understand correctly, regardng trinkets you want to use what you feel is best for that specific encounter? and if you have doubt, ilvl is key
steady dragon
@sick sentinel "more stats" usually does not include stamina
380+s vs 390, the 380+s will have more total secondary stats
cosmic cargo
marok thinks in 100% defensive terms tbh
I mean recommending bloodsport over BoM?
that's just straight up ridiculous imo
steady dragon
🐢
cosmic cargo
that's like taking bones of the damned on a dk over say blood rite
bones is probably a little more defensive
but it's also 0 dps
summer kestrel
You can find the conversation like this
steady dragon
hmm
seems marok does count stamina
i dunno, i always feel like unless you're barely dropping dead after a specfic point in the fight, theres no point getting more stamina
cosmic cargo
eh i'd say a little more than that but
on most situations i'd not value it that highly
steady dragon
so in pawn i'd put stamina at 0.2? kapp
cosmic cargo
junior igloo
Just want to point out that if EHP (= stamina) doesn't matter that much, monks should be considered the worst tanks
steady dragon
Monks are more the case of constant damage intake over spikes
steady dragon
the EHP helps ofcourse, the whole "i can stagger that" meme
junior igloo
It's the same thing
steady dragon
is it though
junior igloo
Yeah, they take a lot of damage (so they are pretty "bad" in metrics like damage taken or healing required).
But it doesn't kill them, because they take it over time, so you have more time to heal it, that's what EHP is.
steady dragon
the duration of the dmg intake of a monk i feel is too long to consider EHP, but maybe thats just arguing semantics
junior igloo
Well if they had no stagger, but had a million hp instead, it would be the same
(and some % heal instead of purify let's say)
Anyway, for the stat comparing of ilvl vs. socket, I'd recommend:
secondaries = 10
strength = 8
armor = 7
stamina = ? (depends on you, your group and the content you do; for EHP it's about 12, for damage taken it's 0)
thorny laurel
Yo is there a list somewhere that shows me all the stuff I can spell reflect in M+? Cuz so far its just been trying and then being surprised it works 😄
steady dragon
in #268491842637660160 , blockable/reflectable spreadhseet
thorny laurel
oh right awesome thanks!
sick sentinel
thing is, there are things the benefit from having extra health
like last stand and VR healing
sure, I am using higher lvl rings instead of sockets but at the same time I am running 3xBoM and HMC instead of ablative plating etc
if I am going to do something that is not on farm (ex , +17 with fortified) I would wear DC and I would spec more defencively
we need to give advice for defencive purposes first and then care about the damage, as damage already comes from out kit
thats a really old mentality imo
pushing damage is super important as a tank
silk mortar
Pushing damae may be important but still your primary job is to keep mobs of hte others by living
steel mauve
Once you can survive though extra survival doesnt gain as much, where as you will always gain from having more dps