protection

[warm plinth]

Just gets added to the $4 or whatever Grubhub charge

[sick sentinel]

I can't tank without some food

[warm plinth]

Like dude I'm not gonna pay what amounts to half of my purchase (with the $4 charge) for $10 of Taco Bell 😂

[sick sentinel]

would you consider prot to be on par with brm for next tier

@whoever has said this shit

(even though tier isn't out 🤔)

[vocal nimbus]

brm is still at the top imo

[sick sentinel]

My only answer is yes

Maybe in the raid we can see someone's logs and find out, u don't need SB in the raid to perform better

In fact we learn that casting IP is bad in raid

[astral crystal]

double brm will still be the meme team

[sick sentinel]

fuck

we have 2xbrm

guess im not tanking next tier

[lusty grotto]

Wf guilds will go for brm always

[astral crystal]

it's a meme comp for wf pushing, it really won't matter at any of our level

[sick sentinel]

limit actually unbanned me yesterday

[lusty grotto]

And if wf guilds go for brm, the rest will follow

[astral crystal]

levels*

[sand egret]

maybe for the first few pulls tbh

[sick sentinel]

so now that i'm unbanned from limit

[sand egret]

but at this stage they have the field to slug in more optimal picks

[sick sentinel]

and they want a prot warr

u know

[sand egret]

unlike first raid when you simply didnt have the alts

[lusty grotto]

If limit runs prot, we might have some representation

[sand egret]

so you had to make a guess, and brm is safe

[sick sentinel]

well ya

they unbanned me dude B)

[lusty grotto]

Didn't they have one?

[astral crystal]

what do you mean they unbanned you?

[sick sentinel]

limit's prot warrior got growth reflection hotfixed

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

i mean they unbanned me

im back

world #2

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[sand egret]

but i wouldn't be surprised if there's more representation in this next race

[sick sentinel]

nimchip knows what im talking about

[lusty grotto]

For sure

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised either blade

[sick sentinel]

is the 150 stam food ever worth it over haste food?

[lusty grotto]

No

[sand egret]

this is actualyl why I count this race way more than Uldir

[sick sentinel]

no

[lusty grotto]

Str food

Or haste

[sand egret]

since guilds have the rosters to optimize

[astral crystal]

gear disparity is less severe too

[sand egret]

ya, should be a fun race imho

cuz you bet your ass if there's some money SR usage or what not all thse top guilds have a Prot ready to slide in

[lusty grotto]

i doubt method will run prot though

[sand egret]

geared etc.

[lusty grotto]

but we'll see

[sand egret]

maybe, but honestly if it's optimal, they will

[lusty grotto]

sco running indom yikes LOL

[sand egret]

the question is will they deem it so

[uneven mason]

I Believe the word you're searching for is DECREE

[lusty grotto]

rofl

lord sco and his indom

[sand egret]

well i'm not specifically talking about lord sco

but tru tru

[uneven mason]

4% shieldwall "PROT IS BAD"

[keen spire]

I mean how bad, realistically, is indom?

[lusty grotto]

its bad

[uneven mason]

its not bad

[keen spire]

yeah but how bad

[warm plinth]

I mean, it's not really bad. It's just not as good.

[uneven mason]

mathematically

[sand egret]

comparatively it is

[uneven mason]

its nearly equal to bolster in a vacuum

[keen spire]

because it's on Bolster's row right?

ye

[sand egret]

which unfortunately is what matters in this system haha

[uneven mason]

bolster interacts with AM

which is a force fucking multiplier

[sand egret]

and feels dope, might I add

[lusty grotto]

i mean there's no reason to use it, there are no tank busters that need you to have that stam... as of today, and bolster is just flat out better

[sand egret]

indom is SO BORING

[keen spire]

lol I feel you on that

[sand egret]

yawn talents 😦

[uneven mason]

so my co tank thought i was kidding when I said I'd run safeguard for him on Fetid

[lusty grotto]

i mean yay a talent that increases HP, yay

[sand egret]

damn straight you flex one of the like two talent choices we can

[lusty grotto]

so original

[sand egret]

safeguard is great, just wish it also allowed you to SR your target

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i could be wrong but

we used to be able to do that with plain old intervene

[sand egret]

granted it CAN if the spell procs via an auto

like those assassins in AD

but I dont believe I can see a cast targeted at you, intercept you, pop SR before it goes off and reflect it.

[lusty grotto]

honestly though safeguard is a decent talent

[maiden portal]

What should i gem as a prot warr?

[sand egret]

oh it is, i love the idea of it tbh

[lusty grotto]

go to the icy veins guide

[sand egret]

it's Super "Prot-y"

[lusty grotto]

reminds me of that one talent that had you put that buff on a target

fuck i forgot the name

vigilance?

[sand egret]

ya

i think that was it

[lusty grotto]

run double prot warrior, vigilance each other, done

LOL

[sand egret]

hahah

didn't that shit like transfer a part of their vengeance or something

[lusty grotto]

i swear we did that in prog back then

yeah i think it reset taunt too?

[sand egret]

ya something like that

[lusty grotto]

anyway i like how vigilance was kinda copied from warhammer online

where you put something on a target and it protected them

sort of like the duel pvp talent

[keen spire]

Honestly, I miss devastator being good

:C

[outer dew]

But why

Devastate gives us a filler

[keen spire]

Well

I suppose with the current way things work, not having a filler is kinda crappy. I really just miss Legion prot - the battle cry spam set bonus in particular

[ivory light]

Been looking at leveling up a tank for selling m+ keys when my norm groups tank is gone, deciding between prot war/blood DK, how is prot war utility atm in keys? obvs their dps is pretty good, which is part of reason im lookin at prot over blood, but grip etc id lose, thoughts?

[somber dragon]

prot utility is the damage they bring realistically

[nova gale]

Well shockwave is strong as fuck

[somber dragon]

the mobility helps a lot too, although it's not on crackhunter (dh) levels or bm levels

[ivory light]

gotcha, thats what i was thinkin basically was the DPS, with prot id basically take place of the the DPS we were carrying

[somber dragon]

bdk will probably be easier to use still, but i feel like i'm in slow motion on my bdk lol

[nova gale]

But for boosting +10s it really doesnt matter what you pick

[ivory light]

havent really done many M+ with warriors, are there any affixes etc that make it harder on prot wars by a good bit?

[nova gale]

Nah. Sanguine is easier for dks tho

[ivory light]

gotcha, thats the main one i was thinking due to grip

[nova gale]

I have been boosting a few +10s this week

Boosting 2 buyers / run

[somber dragon]

as long as you know how to kite and do things other than facetank, warr does fine in everything (:

[nova gale]

And its been fine as a warrior

In +10 you dont need to kite

Ever

[somber dragon]

true, if you have the gear to carry yer fine

i was just thinking on the way up :p

[ivory light]

ah dang 2 people per run, we'll just be doin 1 for sure as our other dps are kinda meh, im our main DPS so i'd probs need to switcht o best dps tank, ie seems prot

it will only be for carries, main will always be my havoc ♥

[nova gale]

Go warrior

Its fun

And you can clap

I've only played it for three weeks now but I love it xD

[sand egret]

Yeah go warrior. You can easily carry with both, but with warrior you can at least flex at the top of the meters 😃

BoMbing keys is soo much fun right now

[keen spire]

Well done Blade

Well done.

[quiet crane]

My ally warr needs gear and keys done 10+ only for farm if anyone interested 😉

That little dwarf Gunna be me Warr main over hordie one now that stoneform is omphh

[sand egret]

well we got like three of those in here now

[quiet crane]

I’ll fury or prot don’t matter just need to feel some gear

And this week ezy pezy

Farm

Got a 320 wep and 340 shield on him still lmao but got 370 everything else

😦 feels bad then a shaman in TD rolled a frigging shield

[ember arrow]

wow good yet?

[quiet crane]

No lmao 😂

Just got nothing else to play

At least until anthem drops

[lusty grotto]

Levko it hasnt been 2 months yet!

[quiet crane]

30% bonus feels good to for ap

In WM

[sand egret]

Levko comin in unsummoned....woah

actually the letters “b” “d” and “k” were used together more than three times....

[placid citrus]

Did you know there’s an awesome manga about protection warrior ?

[sand egret]

haha ruh roh with that one in here (yeah, totally read it and as a “tank” guy its realtalk haha)

[stone crag]

korean 🤔

[daring marlin]

He’s not calling the game korean you galaxybrained clown

he’s talking about the grind

y i k e s

[sand egret]

i feel like galaxybrained is quite the compliment

[warm plinth]

Dafuq does galaxybrained mean lol

[sand egret]

clearly the brain capacity rivaling a galaxy

[warm plinth]

That definitely sounds like a compliment.

[sand egret]

mhmm

[daring marlin]

omegalul

[warm plinth]

Clowns are funny, so that sounds like a compliment too.

[sand egret]

naw fuck clowns

[fickle urchin]

bigbrained is an insult. Am guessing galaxybrained is also one.

[daring marlin]

🤡

[sand egret]

bigbrained is an insult? alrways thought smallbrained was

thus the opposite would be flattering...

[fickle urchin]

its used by people on the right to denigrate the self-important liberal types.

[warm plinth]

Guessing it's supposed to be like hydrocephalus lol

[sand egret]

seeing as historically brain size is attributed to intellect

[fickle urchin]

bigbrained.

[nova gale]

Sanguine is such a fun and engaging affix that really improves the flow of the gameplay of a mythic plus. Don't you guys agree?

It's the perfect affix

[warm plinth]

Well, not always. Saying someone sucks and someone blows are technically opposites but mean the same thing.

[sand egret]

i prefer MS Paint for my painting sims, Bromigo

[fickle urchin]

extra bonus fun : run it with a frostmage "helping" with full snare spec and a trolly guildy on his boomkin trying to punt every ghunny into adds 😄

[sand egret]

naw, all about that treant drop at 5% hp

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Frigid Winds is a must

[sand egret]

just gotta squeeze that extra astral power out in the last 5%

[daring marlin]

@sand egret you meme too hard at times

[astral crystal]

tfw got moderated

[sand egret]

pssh i never meme

[nova gale]

fucking kms

[sand egret]

i think i used "lit" once correctly tho, so I think that counts

what dungeon were you in Bro?

i take it it was a fun and pleasant experience?

[nova gale]

Boosting keys

done motherlode and siege

my favorites

Not even worth the gold

[daring marlin]

they suck

[solemn kelp]

[Vial of Animated Blood

[nova gale]

its fun

and engaging

[solemn kelp]

ooops

[sick sentinel]

Attempt number I stopped counting - +15 Shrine

[zinc mauve]

the best part about motherlode is reflecting the death lazer from the masterminds, the worst part is tanking the lazer

[silk mortar]

Shrine is good this week though

Nice infests

[sand egret]

Prot vs Mastermind:
"Yesssssss here comes the Energy Lash"
pops SR
next 24 seconds
"fuuuuck"

[daring marlin]

I just hate motherlode cuz you always have that guy

you know the guy

[fickle urchin]

Illibob the memehunter?

[marble cipher]

BodyPullGuy?

[daring marlin]

@marble cipher dingdingding

[marble cipher]

Yeeey, I won!

[fickle urchin]

also gotta love masterminds in sanguine pools

on fort weeks

[daring marlin]

you win another pack pulled

enjoy

[marble cipher]

Haha

Clappers on the ground and top dem deeps

[nova gale]

Imagine how much fun you would have with Sanguine + Explosive

I am actually surprised that blizzard didnt make that a combination

So much potential

[cosmic cargo]

shush before you give them any ideas

[fierce juniper]

@keen spire late to respond, but ty friend ❤

[keen spire]

^_^

You got it, my dude!

[fickle urchin]

i m just amazed they havnt fucked up with explosive and reaper waves

[main vault]

Reaping isn’t out

How do you know they haven’t

It could be a complete shitshow on release

[fickle urchin]

they wouldnt

not after underrot explosive fiasco

or would they

[ruby berry]

Oh they certainly could

There's wayyyy too many things going on for them to have tested every single possible interaction.

[main vault]

Lol thinking they wouldn’t

[outer dew]

Expecting blizzard to learn

[open bluff]

we're talking about a small indie company that has basically no QA staff because of cost cutting maneuvers under kotick's orders

and you expect them to learn from mistakes?

[orchid sand]

Been awhile. Where can I find the Blockable spells spreadsheet/

found a link to it.

[sick sentinel]

Didn't beat it in time, but I can see my mistakes with Shrine

Lucky enough it's not punishing for being slow with adds

Would have had it if my team killed ghuun faster and didn't let it run

Right at the 3rd boss

Then wiping because our dh doesn't know too kick left squid

[nova gale]

Just watched lepan play on ptr

[sick sentinel]

Is he

[nova gale]

415 ilvl and triple bom traits

[sick sentinel]

lepan around?

[nova gale]

He had 83% critical block during avatat xD

[sick sentinel]

Fucking wow

[sand egret]

sounds about right

[nova gale]

#balanced

[sick sentinel]

So

[sand egret]

i get 55% at like 380 with 2

[sick sentinel]

T-minus when for BoM

[nova gale]

Immortal for 20 sexonds

Yeah I mean there will be some balancing going on

[floral moon]

Is there any definitive choice in terms of which Azerite people are buying from vendor first

[sick sentinel]

At this point just save it

[main vault]

Literally impossible to answer

Since it will depend on what drops the first two weeks

[nova gale]

Helm with dc and bom 😁

[sand egret]

the system is designed to shore up stuff you don't have, so unless you can predict your gear, not so much

[sick sentinel]

If ur gonna push for M+, the only real chocies to buy are Helm/shoulder but a shoulder piece also has the same traits from M+

[floral moon]

What about a bis combination of helm shoulder chest out of the raid plus vendor choices

[sick sentinel]

is enlarged heart soloable

as prot

🤔

So really just the helm, since the shoulders have less rng associated with the raid

Yes

how do u do it

830k shadow damage :X

Max IP/Demo/SR/SW/RC

ah

so you take one

and then never again

Yup

[main vault]

You should only take like two the entire fight

[sick sentinel]

U will be left with almost 1% hp

[oblique garnet]

nah

[sick sentinel]

And I don't recall if I had eye trinket when I did it

U can duo it, but the other person will die

And u won't need RC

[oblique garnet]

why would you solo it tho

[sick sentinel]

To prove a point

[main vault]

War isnt a class Id have solo tbh lol

[sick sentinel]

Nor should you

[sand egret]

more the reason to

be the change we want to see in the world

✊

[sick sentinel]

But you can't ask pugs to stack for something they've been doing since Mythic Uldir came out tho

[cosmic cargo]

kinda funny that pala can do it with just ardent

[sick sentinel]

I've sadly yet to see since they all just bubble it

[cosmic cargo]

true

but 20% dr then cheat death can "absorb" 2x your max hp

pretty good for this kind of stuff

[astral crystal]

There’s such a thing as externals

Don’t cuck yourself

[sick sentinel]

tru

[small fable]

how do I prot in BFA without a shield

when i replace the artifact

[warm plinth]

Get one to drop; use artifact until then

[somber dragon]

you wait until you have a green or something high enough ilvl to be worth it

[small fable]

excellent design

[somber dragon]

early quests throw decent blues at you pretty early

[sand egret]

they literally give you like a shield in your first few quests

for this exact reason

[small fable]

ok

[somber dragon]

yep, each zone

[sand egret]

excellent design.

[warm plinth]

You're an excellent design.

[sand egret]

😊

[quiet crane]

Whole positivity

Wholesome

[sick sentinel]

i am going 2 stream prot after raid

or rogue

but i know some1 wanted to watch but i dont remember who

[quiet crane]

I’ll watch for lulz cause I’m bored

[sick sentinel]

noice

[high folio]

overall how is prot warrior rn from a fun to play standpoint. I hated the GCD changes and havent came back to WOW since.

[sick sentinel]

idk

fun is subjective

high apm class tho

[high folio]

Okay here, how many of the GCD changes have they rolled back? the only one i know of is IP and thats a pretty big one.

shun me for saying this but i loved the late legion prot warrior, it was fast and it hit hard, even if it was considered a low tier tank

[sick sentinel]

I don't really know

ip is off the gcd

shield block isn't on the gcd

avatar isn't on the gcd

[high folio]

oh they took it off too?

[sick sentinel]

intercept isn't on the gcd

yeah

[high folio]

oh my god

what about the other defensives?

this is huge

[sick sentinel]

not on gcd

last stand is not on gcd

nor is shield wall

[high folio]

LETS GOOOOOOO

those were the changes that killed it for me

im so happy

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[sick sentinel]

np

[main vault]

When did they take Avatar ocd

Mine is still on the GCD

[warm plinth]

Avatar and Demo Shout are still on the GCD @high folio

SB, IP, and Intercept are off.

[high folio]

awe

well i guess that isnt terrible i guess, fucks popping your dps cds a little

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's still slightly awkward but just taking intercept and IP off was huge

[main vault]

It feels alot better if thats what you care about

Having to use Avatar the GCD before you go ham isnt bad

[high folio]

yeah ill just have to get in a better habit of doing that in pre pull

but if those are the only 2 still on gcd i can handle tat

that

[chrome falcon]

avatar on GCD was only bad because intercept was also on GCD

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you can Intercept and cast Ava mid-charge now if you want.

[chrome falcon]

now you can avatar during your charge and immediately start slamming when you pull

[high folio]

oh okay

nice

makes me happy, when warrior got trashed thats when i quit playing, no other tank compares to it imo

did they changed devestator back?

[main vault]

Devastator isnt a thing

[high folio]

wym i have it on my talent tree

[warm plinth]

They put booming voice on the same tier, so it's basically a non-talent now.

[high folio]

aahhhh

rip

devestate spam

[warm plinth]

Eh, it's not too terrible tbh. Definitely not as spammy as the last we had to use Devastate.

the last time*

[sick sentinel]

o rip

i havent even noticed

(avatar being on gcd)

[steel mauve]

since 3X as many abilities can proc a free SS you really still dont spam devestate nearly as much

[sick sentinel]

Well you're supposed to prepop avatar, that's why you haven't noticed

Still, isn't a big deal

[ocean acorn]

which belt enchant do i want?

for engineering

[sick sentinel]

I use nitro boots for pulling

Basically a half effect skystep but I did it to save gold

If you don't care about that the mini shield is basically a health pot that does not share cd with healthpots or healthstone

10 min cd though ( even though when I used it rarely needed it more often than that)

[shut summit]

knock belt is pretty good as well

esp this week with sanguine

[sick sentinel]

I haven't actually tried that and forgot that it existed :O

Well I tried punching way too high above my weight, tried a +17. Made too many mistakes compared to my +15

I'd assume the same amount of time ud have reaching the 2nd boss would be fine, but it's not

Also does MW apply the physical damage debuff or is it just WW?

[shut summit]

all monks

[warm plinth]

But they have to actually hit all the mobs to apply it. Usually can just go in and SCK real fast to apply it

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, well now I know a newer comp to try

Demo/Dh/Outlaw/Mw

[warm plinth]

Gotta maximize them prot deeps!

[sick sentinel]

Get all the debuffs for e'erbody

Plus, fucking resto shamans are just the worst there

No rop/typhoon style abilities

[warm plinth]

Does resto not have Thunderstorm?

[sick sentinel]

I haven't run with a resto shaman more than twice the whole bfa

thunderstorm is ele

[warm plinth]

Ah

[sick sentinel]

Change ur name back Kage

U gobblebright

I name changed in game

No

switched servers for a guild

[main vault]

Plus, fucking resto shamans are just the worst there

[sick sentinel]

Damn

with resto shamans you are basically a god for 15 sec and then you are getting fucked basically

I know thrall is fucking dead as shit but damn

[oblique garnet]

Resto shammy aint that bad tbh

[tribal anchor]

Good monring! You guys made up your mind regarding BRolls already? I was thinking about something like this: https://i.imgur.com/tElrV0v.png

And then the 9th BR depending on RNG

[main vault]

Looks right

1,2,7,8 are the most important

Jaina has a solid trinket

Im going after that

And a bis ring

And helm with IF+BFI

Rasta has the other ring

So whatever slots you value

[tribal anchor]

TY

[main vault]

I know 1/2/7/8 are azerite and either MH or OH

[tribal anchor]

You believe in any off the deff trinkets?

[main vault]

No

Could prolly cheese with Rasta trinket

But 6min cd

Rage trinket could be good too

High Tinker trinket maybe too

[silk moat]

purely on class, what is our least desirable healer in higher keys. i feel like ive had some trouble running with holy pallys

[main vault]

Shaman or Pally

[silk moat]

Mistweavers have been really good

[main vault]

MW is god tier

[silk moat]

Truly

[quiet crane]

About to get my elite pvp set for ally side yewww

To bad looks ugly on the dwarf

[cinder nova]

@main vault The channel?

No

It's pretty bad

The damage is meh and the channel for it is long as fuck.

[main vault]

?

[cinder nova]

Rage trinket.

[main vault]

Oh

4 seconds isnt long

[cinder nova]

When you're being swung at it is

[midnight shale]

Why does raider.io have 2 scores? As in

[cinder nova]

Those are leaderboards ranks, dude

Not scores

Also that's S1 not S2

[sick sentinel]

S2 hasn't started yet o.o

[rough egret]

S2 did not start

[main vault]

Ideally you would pick a time you werent being swung at

Or just use a CD or something to use it

Thats what parsing is

@midnight shale Sorry they didnt answer your question

The top one is scores only within Warriors

[midnight shale]

Yea I meant leaderboard

[main vault]

The bottom is scores within roles

So top is only Prot War

Bottom is all tanks

And etc

[midnight shale]

Lol ofc I'm so blind, soz4spam

[main vault]

All good

People like to troll instead of actually help, it happens

[midnight shale]

Thanks 👍

[cinder nova]

But none of those are scores.

[main vault]

Its not S2 either so who cares

People still knew what he meant

Noone said anything about S2 but you

[cinder nova]

"Hey how come these oranges don't taste like oranges?"

That's because it's apples not oranges

"???"

[main vault]

So be a dick and answer with a bs answer cause semantics, got it

He posted pics, you knew what he was asking, and still just bs

[cinder nova]

That's like asking for log review on your fury DPS and then posting a boomkin parse and getting shitty that anyone points out it's not a fury parse

[main vault]

Actually you probably didnt since you added a line about a being S1 and not S2, for whatever reason

Its not but ok

Sometimes its ok to just not be an asshole

And it makes you look like a bigger one when you add things like Also that's S1 not S2 when noone said anything

[cinder nova]

Asking a question about one thing and then providing another thing and then being corrected about thing not being the thing you're asking about

[drowsy relic]

🙃

[cinder nova]

whew lad

[main vault]

You are obviously special so Ill just leave you be

[cinder nova]

If the question was "How come I have two different RANKINGS?" it'd be different.

[main vault]

K

[cinder nova]

Talk about tilted, bud.

yikearooniedoonie

[main vault]

Not tilted, just no reason to be a dick for no reason, and provide shit answers doing it

But again, you obviously dont understand so Im just going to bed

[cinder nova]

I mean we can keep going in circles, but asking about scores when you show a picture of rankings when the two things are pretty explicitly different

[midnight shale]

I just wanna know why I have 2 scores

Damn he's not biting

[steel mauve]

do you mean scored against just your class and scored against every one in that role?

[midnight shale]

Nah I get it I was just trolling that time

[final mist]

@cinder nova Don't be a dick for literally zero reason.

You can answer the guy without being rude, it's not hard.

[cinder nova]

I mean, I wans't. I was literally pointing out those aren't scores and that they're leaderboards in the hopes he might clarify with an image that was scores.

[final mist]

Not everyone understands, and it wasn't hard to figure out what he was asking since he literally posted a picture about what he was asking.

[cinder nova]

But when someone outs calling me a dick, yeah

I'll get antagonistic

[sick sentinel]

https://gyazo.com/80dc41e92693bc42045d79845ada82a0

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP USING THIS BEFORE THEY SAY SOMETHING

ITS KILLING ME

[final mist]

This isn't the channel for this.

[cinder nova]

Common parlance.

[final mist]

Take it to #off-topic, it's not related to #protection.

[sick sentinel]

theres a difference between #off-topic and #protection ?

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure Prawn. I catch myself doing it sometimes and I have no idea why

[sick sentinel]

[main vault]

It’s easy to get OT with some of the people in here lol

And when the game is so boring

A lot of the Discords still feel like we are in beta, but anyways

[final mist]

Going slightly off-topic in the course of a discussion is fine. Starting a new conversation that has nothing to do with Prot isn't.

[main vault]

Had a talk with new guild about who is better at Thrashes, me or Monk

I felt even with my ilvl difference I was

[cinder nova]

Unless the monk is either grossly undergeared or comatose it'll be him.

[main vault]

But they were dead set on him doing it

[cinder nova]

Stagger is YUCKY GOOD

[final mist]

It'll "feel" better for the healers because of Stagger working that way.

He'll "feel" better to heal as a MT on Fetid too.

You'll reduce more damage though.

[main vault]

Yeah we just did it with him on thrashes since it was my first raid there

[cinder nova]

Isn't the reason he "feels" better, as you put it, because it's just smoother intake than the way prot has a proclivity to spike from getting domed every 3rd swing

[main vault]

I know I’d mitigate more of the thrash

And it’s the role I’m used to, felt wierd as MT

[final mist]

Stagger gives the healers a buffer and lets them ignore the monk for multiple Thrashes in a row. They don't get chunked as hard (warriors don't get chunked as hard as other tanks either, but monks are busted).

Warriors get chunked for a lot less than the others do as well, it's just how Stagger works.

[cinder nova]

Pretty much. Name of the game isn't total mit, it's how smooth you can mit

[final mist]

Not always.

[main vault]

I’ve done it on both tanks

[final mist]

BRM's mastery is useless for Thrash.

[main vault]

It felt smoother on War

[final mist]

Better to have BRM MTing and Warrior doing Thrash.

[cinder nova]

I mean so is ours.

[final mist]

Warrior is definitely the best tank for both options in terms of pure mit, Monk is almost as good, but Monk loses more doing Thrash since their Mastery is now useless in doing so.

How is Warrior's Mastery useless for Thrash? It's blockable.

[cinder nova]

RNG

[final mist]

You can block the Thrash, and thus you can critically block it.

[cinder nova]

You're going to crit block more MTing

[final mist]

You can't dodge it, which is what BRM's mastery is.

[steel mauve]

define useless...

[final mist]

They'll just stack it endlessly and never consume it.

[main vault]

Well, to cap yeah

[steel mauve]

if you crit block even 1 thrash i would say thats the opposite of useless

[cinder nova]

The lack of guarantee crit block has is kinda underwhelming unless you're running triple BoM

The fact that I can't rely on it says volumes as an ability

[final mist]

That doesn't make it worthless, that makes it exactly what it is for everything else that's blockable - nice when it happens, bad feeling when it doesn't.

BRM's mastery is literally worthless for Thrash.

[cinder nova]

But their stagger isn't, and that's what sets them apart.

[steel mauve]

stagger is different than mastery...

[cinder nova]

I'm aware, that's why I've only been talking about the stagger.

Spike damage is a tank's worst enemy. The smoother we can make our intake the easier we are to heal because the more predictable our intake becomes.

Stagger is basically an autopilot for that.

[main vault]

BRM's mastery is useless for Thrash.

I mean so is ours.

🤔

It felt good to “undergear” tank again

[final mist]

You're aware that you can block every Thrash as a Warrior, yes? You will, upfront, mitigate more on every Thrash than every other tank in the game.

Stagger smoothens damage, but it doesn't reduce it.

[cinder nova]

Hands down block mitigates more than stagger, no argument. But for fat swings like trash being able to stagger thrash damage over a period of time is better than taking it all to the face at once

[final mist]

It feels better for the healers because it takes, ex. 100k damage and spreads it out over 10 seconds.

[cinder nova]

Exactly.

It's more consistent

[final mist]

And Warrior is still better at Thrash because the upfront mitigation is hands down better.

[main vault]

That’s what I was thinking

[final mist]

And Monk loses out on more by doing Thrash over doing MT.

[cinder nova]

I think we're overlooking the rest of the raid group for the sake of overall mitigation in a fight.

[sick sentinel]

mitigate more =/ easier to heal

[final mist]

MTing is also the harder part of the fight for healers to heal, since the damage intake is so huge, so it's better for them to handle that, especially when the block tank won't be able to block every melee.

[cinder nova]

If a healer isn't as pressured to immediately heal a spike

They can devote resources to literally anything else

Which is ideal

[main vault]

I’d personally never put Monk over War on Thrashes but I’m just a simple tank

They said it wasn’t bad so meh

[sick sentinel]

just because warrior mitigates it more effectively doesn't mean its easier for your healers

the reason monk is so strong is that you have so much time to respond

you very rarely have to burst heal a monk

[final mist]

You're forgetting that both tanks need to be healed constantly on Fetid, as well as the entire raid. Warrior doesn't get chunked doing Thrashes as much as they would doing the melees, just because you can't block every melee like you can block every Thrash.

If you play it right as a Warrior, the Thrash damage is going to be incredibly small.

It's not bursts at all.

[main vault]

Yeah the times I have done it, I’ve never felt in risk

Always felt like I could take two before I “had” to be healed

[final mist]

Compared from my Paladin to my Warrior, the Thrash damage is easily twice as small, if not more.

[main vault]

It’s stupid small lol

[final mist]

Monks smoothen that out, but they also smoothen out the melee damage better, which is the harder and worse part of the fight.

[main vault]

But I’ve only done it on Bear, Monk, and now War

[final mist]

If you MT as a Warrior, you'll block one of them for like 20k, the SB drops because there's inevitably gaps in your mitigation and suddenly he chunks you for 120k and your healers start to flip.

[main vault]

I did screw myself a couple times and cast a SB right before a mechanic

Yeah there were gaps for sure

[final mist]

That's why monks are better for MTing than the Warrior in that situation.

The Thrash damage isn't the dangerous part, it's the constant melee.

[main vault]

I’m only 372 on War so it felt a little like prog

But fun to not play a 100% uptime tank

[cinder nova]

Thinking as a tank does tend to be more of an engaging experience.

[odd geode]

New level 120 warrior here guys , to my understanding we don't have a start priority we go with Highest ilvl always? including Rings?

[silk mortar]

Generally that is the idea, however it can be different when comming to rings and trinkets obviously

We do however have a state prio which is haste however but as mentioned they are close to others stats

so if its a big ilvl upgrade just go for that

Next time check the pins as everything you need to know should be there

[odd geode]

I did my friend

Just verfied 😄

[silk mortar]

Alright ;?)

[red wasp]

quick gear questions: currently i got a 375 azerite piece with archive, is it worth replacing for a 390 with bloodsport. for uldir I would ofcours wear the 375 for reorigination but i'm asking with the prospect of dazar'alor

[sick sentinel]

390 is better when not in Uldir

[merry cave]

I'd say the ilvl but your gonna replace as soon as you get a 2 ring bit from any source probs

[red wasp]

alright, thx for the help

[quick rock]

is there a azerite guide for M+

[warm plinth]

I don't think so @quick rock but your ideal setup, at least for outer ring traits, would likely be Deafening Crash x1, Bastion of Might x2

[quick rock]

yah dont have either

[warm plinth]

They're not mandatory, though Deafening Crash is the only azerite trait we have that's worth dropping a bit of ilevel for.

[quick rock]

awh i see yah i have fortress and secret of the depth

[warm plinth]

Fortress is pretty good. Can't remember what Secret of the Depth is off the top of my head

[warm plinth]

Oh, right

I don't know for sure but str being what it is, I wouldn't say it's bad. Probably better in dungeons than in raids though, since you have a bit more freedom to maneuver to pick up the orbs in that case.

I have that trait on one toon though and those orbs can spawn in inconvenient places :/

[quick rock]

yah

M+ is my mind set

[warm plinth]

Are those both on one piece?

Fortress and Secrets I mean

[quick rock]

no

other sis

or

yah both are crap i think

[warm plinth]

Eh, I won't say I'm right, but I'd probably choose Bloodsport over Secrets just because it's at least consistent and doesn't have me chasing orbs everywhere.

But I have a hard time seeing the orbs anyway (colorblind) so surely that impacts my decision a bit.

[quick rock]

oh these other 2 are on a different item

[warm plinth]

Ohhh, gotcha

So fortress/secrets are the choices on one piece, then apoth/bloodsport on another?

[quick rock]

i need to get better traits

yup

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I mean, Fortress is pretty good tbh. More block is never bad, especially in M+ when you're constantly getting meleed (blockable damage)

[quick rock]

yah i went fort

and i think blood

[warm plinth]

👍

[quick rock]

ty

[valid needle]

How good is Thunderous Blast in comment to BoM?

[quiet crane]

Bom trumps it

^ At Lin

By a good chunk and gets infinitely better more targets

[valid needle]

Thanks

[quiet crane]

No worries anything else

[valid needle]

Nah man, im just enjoying my prot warrior now that im done with stupid G'huun mythic on DK

[quiet crane]

Wewww gratz

Pre much what you want is one DC and 2X bom

Fat dmg from bom and honestly DC is more then enough defensively so go for fat dmg

Will be interesting to see the mixes being done in dazar though

[valid needle]

Seems good

Pray that my prot warrior will even have his chance at alt raids : (

[quiet crane]

Ports stronger then your DK in a raiding perspective in case you were wondering

Prots

[valid needle]

Im a much better DK player than Warrior tho rofl

[quiet crane]

Rip my friend

Harder to play then DK but that’s the rewarding part I believe

It’s not brain dead

And the dmg... feels good to do dmg as a tank man

[valid needle]

Idk if it's harder

It's just the exact opposite of DK

It's proactive instead of reactive

[quiet crane]

I’m only on my alt warr I made for ally 365 with 320 wep pulling almost 10 k sustained

That is true

I’ve got the traits though so works well

And that juicy knot and fathoms

[solar thorn]

guys, hey, wanted to ask a thing. During the Jadeplebs encounter in dazar alor, Mage casts Pyroblast at a randomly selected target, if this is a prot warrior with spell reflect ready, will it actually be reflectable or at least if it has landed during the spell reflect, will it go back to the caster or just fade away like nothing happened?

[quiet crane]

Hmmm.. I can’t answer that sorry I haven’t tested

Nexii or nim might know

[vocal nimbus]

Some dazaralor skills have been tested

[solar thorn]

thanks Jay. Maybe someone else knows?

[vocal nimbus]

Check the reflectable sheet

Maybe its there

[solar thorn]

oh thanks

its in the pins?

[vocal nimbus]

Sounds like it should be reflectable

[solar thorn]

@vocal nimbus where can I find the "reflectable sheet"?

found it

nvm

[vocal nimbus]

Either in the pins or at resource channel

[solar thorn]

its in FAQ

thanks nevertheless!

and it's not listed there, well, we will find out soon anyways

[pulsar elbow]

How is Endless Hunger trait? I just received it on a piece with it, but i have deafening crash already on another piece

and this is the item i had

Should I stack the deafening crash trait, use endless hunger or should i keep the old lower ilvl piece?

[vocal nimbus]

Theres no defensive benefit from stacking dc

I would equip your highest ilvl

[pulsar elbow]

so going with endless hunger is what you are saying as it increases vers with 274?

[cosmic cargo]

unless hunger's not bad

I'd take it

[sick sentinel]

Even though people down play CR(it isn't bad) all prot warrior traits are better than general traits

[pseudo surge]

Jeshowler 380, Rezans 380, Syringe 385. Which ones would u guys run in low M+? Boosting some mates and not too familiar with prot.. i know how to play it but no clue whats better than other in terms of trinkets etc.

[vocal nimbus]

rezans syringe probably

howler and syringe put each other on a 20sec cd

[quiet crane]

I’d go howler and rezans personally

But that’s me

It wouldn’t matter to much there but rezans for sure

[sick sentinel]

Go rezan/syringe, easier to deal with

[quiet crane]

Passive for win eh

[sick sentinel]

@quick rock you underestimate the power of bloodsport a lot

You shouldn't, it's good for mit

@pseudo surge rezan's+syringe is the play for dungeons

[cosmic cargo]

worse for defensive than most traits that also have a DPS component

that's a yikes from me

[sick sentinel]

Magic damage though

[sand egret]

that Bloodsport hate 😦

[silk moat]

I use 1 Bloodsport 2 BoM, Vial for DPS burst and more leech for Bloodsport and Xalzaix Eye for oh shit damage

[dreamy berry]

dps prot is a thing now?

[silk moat]

Single target is not great but AOE damage is insanely good.

[olive moss]

For second ring should you always prioritize defensive traits? Trying to decide between ablative shielding and OP

[oblique garnet]

13k st is not good for a tank🤔

[ebon hound]

OP diminishes as you take dmg

[olive moss]

True.
Would double BoM be worth taking over CR + BoM? Pretty new to prot

[ebon hound]

BoM is excellent in m+

what is CR again?

[oblique garnet]

If its same ilvl pieces then yes

The revenge trait

[olive moss]

Yeah all 385

[sand egret]

I really like OP, tbh

[oblique garnet]

Lucky sob

[sand egret]

it diminishes, but that also varies. On ST fights when you're getting hit with slower swing timers, it's still a bunch of haste.

[last mason]

385 disc/380 rezans/390 syringe, thoughts for m+?

[sick sentinel]

I would go syringe for sure

it's a tossup between disc and rezan's imo

rezan's because it has both an offensive and a defensive value, but the +15% damage per target is 👌

[last mason]

Sweet ty, guess it depends on how comfortable I am, also would you drop 5ivls generally for haste/vers stuff

Or just stick to highest ilvl

For example, 385 crit/mastery wrists or 380 haste/vers

[sick sentinel]

highest ilvl

[last mason]

Last question, 390 brace, or 375 dc

Don’t have dc on another slot

[vocal nimbus]

if thats your only dc then use it

[last mason]

That goes for all fights right, not just aoe?

[vocal nimbus]

yep

[main vault]

I love OP@sand egret

It diminishes but has an icd as well

[sand egret]

yeah, i'm liking it

[sick sentinel]

@astral crystal uploading my Wa set b tw

[astral crystal]

noice

gimme the loot

[sick sentinel]

ya

ok i put my was in #ui-addons-manager

[last mason]

Is op actually good for prot? You’d think not since you’re always taking dmg right?

[strong forum]

You still have 12sec minimal uptime on it

[stoic bluff]

for tanking 15 keys, should i go 2x brace for impact or swap out 1 brace for impact for an iron fortress? all same ilvl

[sand egret]

doesn't really matter

you can get nitpicky between the 2nd and 3rd tiers, both of those traits are extremely close

[stoic bluff]

alright, i'm not too familiar with the prot traits

[sand egret]

personally, I like to double up cuz i'm ocd like that. But if IF has like IV on it...

if they're the same ilvl then it doesn't reallly matter

esp between those two

BFI favors ST vs IF (in M+ with lots of autos) can scale up

but like it's not huge

[stoic bluff]

i have bloodsport , with azerite veins as well, is that worth considering?

[sand egret]

i'd say those two over bloodsport

do either the bfi or the if have impassive visage?

[stoic bluff]

nope

lifespeed and resounding

[sand egret]

yeah, it's a toss up so pick which 2nd/3rd tier traits you like better. You're not going to be horribly wrong either way 😃

[stoic bluff]

is impassive visage better than resounding protection?

[sand egret]

personally, i'd do BFI

IV is very strong, imho

but both have niches

for instance, RP against something like Zul is better than IV

(the shadow of zul)

since its big ol' chunks of magic. iv on the other hand works well. Both are strong

[stoic bluff]

yeah, guess ill just try it out, thanks for the help

[sand egret]

yeah it's a nice spot to be in to have some choices, tbh!

[old jewel]

mythic+ group LF 1500+ IO tank that wants to consistently grind mythic + dungeons

[stoic bluff]

my gear is pretty op, i just haven't tanked alot yet

[main vault]

@last mason it has an ICD so you can only lose so much at a time

[sand egret]

gotta start somewhere

[main vault]

So not like you lose all the stacks in 3seconds or something

@old jewel this isn’t a recruitment channel

[sick sentinel]

@old jewel you are basically posting in a channel full of tanks that you are a tank looking for a group.
We all are

[main vault]

Hm

You should read again

[sand egret]

perty sure it reads the group is LF a tank

ya dingus

[sick sentinel]

oh my god I am retarded

sorry

[sand egret]

is trial of valor soloable?

[sick sentinel]

not if you want to do it on mythic

[sand egret]

I wanna get that mog set

[astral crystal]

cant get the mythic set anymore

[sick sentinel]

normal NH is soloable

so I assume ToV is

[astral crystal]

if that's what you were thinking of

[sick sentinel]

wtf

you can't

[astral crystal]

that was tied to the chosen achievement, which was retired in 8.0

[sick sentinel]

I feel like that's not accurate

[astral crystal]

there's some pieces though, just no helm/shoulders

[sick sentinel]

because I did chosen runs in 8.0

[astral crystal]

the tmog was definitely gone in 8.0

Warcraft Devs confirmed during Nighthold and once more recently that The Chosen would be only available during Legion, becoming a Feat of Strength in patch 8.0.

[sand egret]

well....idc about the mythic one

i want hte heroic

at least on wowhead saying that shit is g2g

as of 8.0.1

[astral crystal]

yeah all sets except mythic are available

[vocal nimbus]

Whats not available is the achievement and title right?

[astral crystal]

achievement, title and tmog

because the tmog was tied to the achievement

the full set i should say

[vocal nimbus]

The mog could drop without the achievement

[astral crystal]

no

you can get certain pieces

no helm or shoulders as stated above

boots, pants, chest, gloves and belt i think

[vocal nimbus]

I remember helya dropping a cache to some people

That unlocked the mog on use

[astral crystal]

that was on normal/heroic

[main vault]

Chosen is 100% gone

[astral crystal]

and LFR

it did not drop on mythic

at all

[vocal nimbus]

Oh well

[main vault]

Only the LFR-Heroic and I think the quest set are available

[vocal nimbus]

F

[main vault]

Thats why People (including me) were making fucking bank before pre-patch

[quiet crane]

How I feel about panda tmog for classes

[sand egret]

well I just want the heroic

so woop

[main vault]

Chosen runs have funded BFA for me so far

[vocal nimbus]

+15s and antorus runs for me

[astral crystal]

ye +15 sales and raid gambling

i made like a million off guildies

i also lost about 700k total

some dark times, some good times

[hollow thorn]

Keys are so shit for the next 2 weeks

[olive lotus]

What don’t you like about next week?

[hollow thorn]

What is there to like lol

[olive lotus]

It’s not sanguine and not necrotic

[hollow thorn]

Explosive is cancer, and bolstering is even more cancer

[olive lotus]

As long as you have knowledgeable melee explosive is manageable. Bolstering use your shockwave and other aoe stuns in group

[astral crystal]

explosive is much easier now at least

can just bonk them with one shot

[sick sentinel]

infinite victory rush

or get a DH I guess

[olive lotus]

It would be nice if explosive was damage by thunderclap 🙃

[main vault]

Next week isnt bad at all

[olive lotus]

Agreed. I’ll take that over any necrotic or sanguine week period

[odd geode]

Excuse me guys , but I can't find any notion of what is the best Azerite Traits , and which we must have atleast 1 of ? or more ? , and what are the best Secondary and third ring ones

Any one can point me in the right direction?

[olive lotus]

The pins

But in general you need 1 DC

And for mythic plus damage wise 2 BoM

[odd geode]

DC? , BoM?

I am new to prot

[olive lotus]

Deafening crash and bastion of night

Might*

[odd geode]

I won't drop DC for any other Azerite gear , unles it also have DC or it has 45 ilvl above?

if I read right ?

[sick sentinel]

15 ilvls

[odd geode]

On secondaries ? which are we taking ?

Gemhide?

VS?

[sick sentinel]

gemhide is inner

[odd geode]

That what i am talking about

Inner one

[sick sentinel]

then yeah

you go for gemhide and IV

[odd geode]

iv?

[sick sentinel]

Impassive Visage

I would take it over gemhide for m+ tbh

[odd geode]

So 1 DC , 2 BoM and as much as IV and Gemhide as I can get ?

[sick sentinel]

for m+ yes

[odd geode]

What if I have the 3 ring ( Guttripeer and stuff (

For raiding ?

how different is it all ?

[sick sentinel]

you raids you don't want bom

[odd geode]

What do I want instead ?

[main vault]

There is a section in the guide

[odd geode]

Which guide?

[main vault]

For Azerite, not m+ specifically

[sick sentinel]

for raiding, check out the Icy-veins guide either on the pins or at the #268491842637660160

[main vault]

The one in the pins, top pin

[odd geode]

So in the guides

S Tier is what I look for ? in each ring?

[main vault]

That would be the ideal

But anything S through B is decent to use

Inner Trait Id stick to the S and A

[odd geode]

Thank you very much

When you say iner you mean the first one ?

or the last ones?

the main one should be for Raid 1 DC and 2 BFI

[sick sentinel]

That's outer

[odd geode]

Great

to know

Then what ever between B-S

and then what ever between A-S

Why all of this raw knowledge not uploaded to Bloodmallet I wonder.*

[vocal nimbus]

Because those are sims for damage

And because prot warrior doesnt have a working simc module

[sick sentinel]

Outer rings are going to always be 99% of the time, prot warrior traits
Middle rings defense based>offense based
Inner rings S>A

And yeah BM is just a place to find Sims for things

SimC is where u do actually simming

[odd geode]

How do I sim tho ?

[vocal nimbus]

You cant

[sick sentinel]

U don't as prot

[odd geode]

I sim as fury ?

[vocal nimbus]

Not as prot

[odd geode]

I understand

Ilvl > Stats.

[vocal nimbus]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

Also here's some advice, u don't need to Sim. We are the strongest tanks when it comes to Tank Dps

[odd geode]

I would ask more question most likely in the upcoming weeks , I will keep it as simple and easy as possible , Thank you for your help truly Odyn's son 😄

@sick sentinel Nice to know that 😄

I main BDK 😄

[sick sentinel]

you equip highest ilvl and if you are to choose between same ilvls then you choose haste

you also gem haste

Unless ur me

And gem/eat for vers

For that sweet sweet damage

I eat vers or haste depending on the dungeon

I always eat vers since I'm HM

vers for heavy magic and haste for deeps

Although because I got new gear pieces, I might have to eat for haste now

I think that survivability wise, the best stat is str but since I play 3xBoM, I think that if haste would allow me to fit 1 more GCD in avatar, it is all worth it

I would agree with that since strength contributes so much to so many things

[thin osprey]

Hey guys, what is the best trinket in prot ?

[main vault]

There is literally no way to answer that

[sick sentinel]

Ur gonna need an example of situation to get some kind of answer

[thin osprey]

in mm+ ?

[main vault]

What level?

[sick sentinel]

Ok, now we need an example of a situation in m+

[main vault]

Survival or DPS?

What is your comp like?

[sick sentinel]

What kind of boss is it, or is it with just adds

[main vault]

Do you kite alot or facetank alot?

What affixs?

[thin osprey]

fortified/grivious

can you give me the best trinket for survie and for dps

[sick sentinel]

That depends so much on ur playstyle

I used to play double eye/eye trinket with a healthy balance but I'm going risky with double crit trinkets for increased damage and crits but also parry chance

Problem with double crit, it's chance based on the survivability

Ur best option would be double eye trinket in both dealing with adds/bosses

Eye/eye being Rezan/Mythrax eye trinket

Problem is, it's not the best for damage but it's not the worst

Very middle ground

[thin osprey]

i will test that,

but i view a lot of war with that Vial of Animated Blood

[sick sentinel]

Yup, because of our passive Vanguard mainly

But also because how much of a strong steroid it is without looking at that

Increased parry chance, damage increase across the board, and if I recall correctly increase to our Ignore Pain

it does

gives AP

Problem with it, it's on use and some people have a hate/love with on use

[thin osprey]

ty for your advices guys, i start in war tank

[sick sentinel]

The best advice I can give, don't worry about stats. Learn ur dungeons first

it is 90sec as well, the worst CD :C

Yup, it doesn't align well with Avatar

[tribal anchor]

Anyone know if BoM will be better than Treacherous Covenant?

[sick sentinel]

raids or mplus?

TC is the raid trait?

one of the raid traits

If so, depends if it has the uldir RA style buff

95% it does not

It probably has a chance, if it's not competiting with BoM, u can have It and BoM for a lot of damage

I would go BoM

If it's either or, Same

You can't beat increased crit block

Two BoM traits I have: 46% crit block chance with it

[tribal anchor]

So BoM i guess

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but we are only looking at it from a dps perspective

[main vault]

BRM's mastery is useless for Thrash.```

Swole PatrolToday at 2:21 AM
I mean so is ours.```

Crit block is overrated

😉

[cosmic cargo]

i mean it really isn't

[main vault]

To which statement

[cosmic cargo]

prot warrs useless on thrash

[main vault]

Oh yeah aregument after and etc

[lavish oracle]

What about our mastery is useless on thrash?

[cosmic cargo]

reduces EHRPS, that's not useless

[main vault]

I had to go to bed at that point

Oh

Because its RNG

Its useless

[lavish oracle]

Unreliable and useless are two different things

[cosmic cargo]

yup

[main vault]

Warrior is definitely the best tank for both options in terms of pure mit, Monk is almost as good, but Monk loses more doing Thrash since their Mastery is now useless in doing so.
How is Warrior's Mastery useless for Thrash? It's blockable.
Swole PatrolToday at 2:22 AM
RNG```

RNG

=

Useless

[lavish oracle]

I disagree with Swole Patrol

[main vault]

Well yeah that was the argument

[sick sentinel]

Wait Monkas can't Dodge thrash?