protection

[quiet crane]

😧

Bigger warrior then me sin

[stone cloud]

Only took 14K per second

[quiet crane]

Yeah that may be true just if you muck up you’el be eaten lol most likely

[keen spire]

lol

[sick sentinel]

When bod releases who wants to do it

need cotank

[quiet crane]

Think everyone lol

Over uldir

[sick sentinel]

I mean on ptr

Sorry

[quiet crane]

Ahh I’m not ruining it for meself this time

I’ll be a pleb for a chance I wanna be excited for a week at least rather then no week

[vapid flax]

Hope PTR won't DC people every 5mins this time

[quiet crane]

Loool

I’m not even gunna watch guides #dungeonjournal

[ebon lark]

I can watch videos guides all day

[quiet crane]

What I need to find myself is a keystone group

[ebon lark]

but getting in there and actually doing it are 2 extreme different things

[quiet crane]

Hehe

I’ll just ask one thing cause you know Jaina and all anyone know if it’s magic heavy

[ebon lark]

apparently her spells are not all magic

because so warriors don't get screwed i guess

[keen spire]

So they say

I bet they'll change that before release

lol

[ebon lark]

also even though i've played WoW since wrath I thought you could block physical ranged attacks

apparently not

until 8.1

[quiet crane]

Hey she’s a mage wth

Yeah I always knew that lol

[ebon lark]

i like that neat thing she does

[keen spire]

where she kills everyone?

xD

[ebon lark]

you hero/bloodlust and she iceblocks

[quiet crane]

Frostmourne 2.0?

Oh

Wth

Can you purge it

[ebon lark]

you wanna DPS me down? #nope

people like Preach that I watch say its more a

make this mechanic less intense/breather

[lusty grotto]

preach

ugh

yikes

:vomit:

[quiet crane]

Lmfao

[ebon lark]

hate on him all you like the man knows what he's talking about

[quiet crane]

Female orc vomit nim

[lusty grotto]

he certainly doesnt know shit about warriors lol

[quiet crane]

^^

[ebon lark]

oh god no

i mean general game and fight mechanics

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[quiet crane]

I think he’s mainly talking about mechanics and game

Yes

[keen spire]

Honestly.. does Preach know much about tanking in general?

because like

[ebon lark]

he tanks if needed

[lusty grotto]

why do you need to watch some guy for that though

[quiet crane]

Like sco when he said indom is competitive

And people believed him rip

[lusty grotto]

rofl

lord sco

[ebon lark]

he also played warrior through classic into wrath

[lusty grotto]

so did i?

[cosmic cargo]

preach made some bdk guides once that

holy shit

[lusty grotto]

do i get an award for it?

[keen spire]

yeah but Preach played Fury/Arms

[cosmic cargo]

how can you get so much wrong

[keen spire]

He wasn't really a tank for much of it

[ebon lark]

nah, just saying its not like he's oblivious

[quiet crane]

Sco is not even great lmao sorry idc if he’s top guild

Justwait shits on him

[naive panther]

I took warrior this week. 22k dtps main tanking fetid. On my DH 33k dtps on my best damage encounter. No array on warrior and 9 ilvls lower equipped in the comparison

[quiet crane]

Yup we OP dps

We bully everything we stand over

[ebon lark]

you guys see that 5 warrior mythic+ underrot

that was fun and made me feel great about being a tank

er

5 tank*

god i am tired

[quiet crane]

Lol go bed 6:30 am here

[cosmic cargo]

the pala's DPS (or lack of) made me angry

[quiet crane]

They’ve got really nice ST dmg and cleave tbh

[ebon lark]

i think from the looks of it the paladin was more of a offheal style thing

[quiet crane]

Expecially with sera

[ebon lark]

due to the healing they did

i miss manacles

where i outhealed bad healers

[cosmic cargo]

I guess didn't pay attention to that, maybe he went with HoTP/RP to serve as an off-healer

[quiet crane]

Meh their healing is pretty weak in my own opinion

Only good if the shit exits

Crits

[ebon lark]

well

like hand of the protector doing what it does now

target's HP not the tank's

[cosmic cargo]

when it crits with sera and wings

its like a LoH

[quiet crane]

Yeah that’s yum^

But that’s within two cds

[cosmic cargo]

even with just sera its pretty big and crits a bunch

[ebon lark]

i'm sitting here staring at indominable and being sad

its so gutted compared to legion's

its just sad that my favorite playstyle in legion is apparently awful now

high haste, devastator shield slam chains with heavy reprocussions

[lusty grotto]

indom was was never good in legion

[ebon lark]

it was good to mess around with

just this giant HP pool and stacking ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[cosmic cargo]

well indom had no competition on7.0

[quiet crane]

Ewwwwwww

Indom was always shit

[lusty grotto]

yup

[cosmic cargo]

what else was even on that tier before devastator?

[ebon lark]

i just liked seeing how high i could get my ignore pain on full hp with indom

[cosmic cargo]

cause never surrender was even worse then

[signal plover]

What's with all this sad shit in here today warrior is fuckin juicy as hell right now

[quiet crane]

Might be good to look at but was never effective

Sad shit where lol

[signal plover]

Let's go, get hyped

Almost dadBoD time

[cosmic cargo]

was better than never surrender at least, specially 7.0 never surrender

[ebon lark]

hard to get hype without gladiator stance

😎

[quiet crane]

Omg yes bring that fucking back blizz

Was god damn amazing

[lusty grotto]

we already have gladiator stance

[quiet crane]

Ranked damn high in highmayl to

[lusty grotto]

its thunderclapping

[quiet crane]

Ewwww

[lusty grotto]

get out

[quiet crane]

I pref actually gladiator wod style tyvm

Booty clap fun glad funner

[lusty grotto]

👉 🚪

[quiet crane]

Bite me

[pine saddle]

Hi, i try to tank now. so i have some questeions: 1) Can i macro ignrore pain with another skill? 2) should i keep ignore pain up all the time? 3) can someone advice me good WA that show me all important things?

[lusty grotto]

1. you can but don't

2. no

[quiet crane]

To answer that

God damn it

[lusty grotto]

3. 

[quiet crane]

He beat me lol

I always give a big descrip and why you shouldn’t nim :(( crush me

[lusty grotto]

what is people's obsession with having IP all the time though

[quiet crane]

Legion emeral nightmares

[lusty grotto]

this is why i dont like legion babies

[quiet crane]

3 words

[ebon lark]

because gotta get that rage spent

[quiet crane]

Hehe

[lusty grotto]

"oh let me casually overlook Shield Block"

[ebon lark]

i still spammed it into 120 for one reason

manacles

[lusty grotto]

"and use all my rage on Ignore Pain"

[quiet crane]

Yeah legion emerald man

[ebon lark]

i'm so use to having such a dumb amount of healing from using ignore pain and shield block with manacles

[pine saddle]

thx, just a few questions, doesnt me i dont use shield block

[ebon lark]

it was second nature to use it as i had rage for it

[lusty grotto]

i'm assuming you meant "doesn't mean"

it's a general statement, not directed at you

[pine saddle]

yes

^^

np

[quiet crane]

^^ hebwasnt targeting man promise

He makes a point lol

Just if you read what actually block does and go over the tooltips you’el understand just from logic whilst SB is kuhnmkre important and ignore pain is a filler so to speak

Ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

yeah i'm sure he did though

just talking generally for IP spammers

reminds me of identifying IP spammers here in legion

[stone cloud]

How to spend rage with Sb on CD then?

[lusty grotto]

people who got fucked by KJ's fel claws ✅

[stone cloud]

And no revenge proca

[lusty grotto]

you use IP sure

you don't spam it

[quiet crane]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean no revenge procs

[stone cloud]

fel claws was easy

[lusty grotto]

you spend rage by pressing revenge without a proc

[quiet crane]

So you mean using revenge without Prix

[stone cloud]

You’re not supposed to

[quiet crane]

Proc

[lusty grotto]

your revenge proc does nothing for Anger Management

[stone cloud]

I know

[quiet crane]

Um yes you’re lol

It’s just situational

[lusty grotto]

your revenge use without proc does do something for AM

[quiet crane]

^^^^

[lusty grotto]

so if you have an IP up, revenge is the better option for rage spending

[quiet crane]

He’s so much faster at typing and doesn’t make typos so

[maiden portal]

what is stat prio for prot ?

[lusty grotto]

[quiet crane]

Highest Ilvl friend

But if you can help it at equal Ilvl haste

[stone cloud]

Says only if it’s free

[quiet crane]

Yes but think about it

[lusty grotto]

that's for defensiveness

[quiet crane]

In a prog environment for fence

[lusty grotto]

we're talking advanced rage management here

[quiet crane]

Defence

That is the go to

[lusty grotto]

what does a free revenge do for you?

[quiet crane]

When you’re not taking dmg

[stone cloud]

Ok

[lusty grotto]

you're not spending rage, therefore AM doesn't lower cooldowns

[quiet crane]

You can deal it and funnel that back into AM as pseudo DR

Through cds etc

[lusty grotto]

you're not spending rage, therefore you are still rage capped (if rage capped)

[quiet crane]

And well more dmg to lol

[vapid flax]

Pins are outdated though.

[quiet crane]

And on top of that

[lusty grotto]

pins are not outdated

[stone cloud]

I’m never rage capped

[quiet crane]

You need to be careful for advanced play not to overcap on IP

[lusty grotto]

if you cant find what you're looking for there, look at #268491842637660160

[quiet crane]

You use revenge whilst IP is up as nim said earlier

[stone cloud]

Should I track the absorb amount or just if it’s up

[lusty grotto]

both

the marok WA does both

[vapid flax]

Pins are absolutely outdated if you want to play protection at a high level.

[lusty grotto]

oh god

[stone cloud]

Does it do something when you can cast a new one without overlap?

[lusty grotto]

we got one these boys

can you define "high level"

M+?

Mythic Raiding?

[stone cloud]

Like my isb one on monk is red if I’d overlap

[lusty grotto]

choose 1

then tell us what you think is missing

please make sure you include how you're a CE warrior somehow in what you're typing

[stone cloud]

Hard to be that outdated imo when the only things that changed in 8.1 more feee global

[quiet crane]

^

Not being rude but you need to back what you say and explain why

It’s important when helping

[vapid flax]

What is missing is good information. You can't tell people things like "crit isn't as good as the rest but all stats are generally good" and leave it at that. Shows a severe lack of info. You don't seem to care other than sitting on your high chair and spewing out baby sick so I won't bother

[lusty grotto]

ok

thanks for stopping by

[quiet crane]

Sigh

[dapper sky]

This whole channel is a slew of misinformation. Hell a 3/8M warrior was the most prevalent voice in here for months.

[signal plover]

Pinned guide still has an excellent overall concept for both the rotation and the general stat priority.

[stone cloud]

Crit is not as good because it’s based on rng.

[lusty grotto]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-stat-priority isn't a thing apparently

🤷

[quiet crane]

It really isn’t a misinformation at all

[sick sentinel]

I'm a CE warrior

All our stats are good

Thanks for coming

[quiet crane]

What’s been said in this channel at least from when I’ve been on is correct

[main vault]

Crit is technically the best for both prots

But cause RNG

[quiet crane]

And you guys complain about it but have no counter argument

Other then misinformation

Can’t even explain where people are going wrong

[stone cloud]

❤️ you all for all the tips 😉

[sand egret]

well in that vein, best and worst at the same time 😃

[astral crystal]

@dapper sky squeakiest wheel does not equal the most prevalent voice, that's just a person that hangs out in the chat a lot. if you want in depth info feel free to @ any of the blues or yellows

[quiet crane]

Therefore you’re all invalid

^

[main vault]

Yes, best and worst at the same time lol

[signal plover]

The issue is context. The free revenge debate is so situational that it's difficult to put into a guide.

[main vault]

Its ok Ive noticed its usually the struggling players that complain

And then the issue is usually them

[quiet crane]

^^

[lusty grotto]

apparently your progression level limits your understanding of the class @dapper sky

🤷

reasonable

[quiet crane]

Seems so it’s as bad as the Ilvl debate

[sand egret]

man things got spicy in here, eh?

[main vault]

Like the people that come in Dreamgrove complaining about Bear are the same ones pulling 4k dps and not keeping IF up

[uneven mason]

Was he talking about me (3/8M?)

[quiet crane]

Nah just sick of jokers won’t lie

[signal plover]

No just the usual "I gotta be right" attitudes

[sand egret]

i'm 0/8M

[quiet crane]

Not sure

[lusty grotto]

its weird, but i seem to recall people not inviting warriors, so what the fuck does it matter if someone is 3/8M

[sand egret]

😄

i'm also 0/8N

[astral crystal]

doesn't matter who he's talking about, he's just making stupid assumptions

[uneven mason]

I mean, I'm not 3/8 anymore

"not in top 10 world guild, must not know high school math"

[main vault]

Thats my favorite

Because like

[lusty grotto]

goes to show that Sco still has followers

[pine saddle]

which trinekts should i use for tanking? i have i have [Xalzaix' verschleiertes Auge]370[Zorn der Verdammnis]395[Spritze der blutübertragenen Schwäche]380 with socket

[main vault]

There are 0 people who write guides and etc in top 10 guilds

[pine saddle]

and disk of regression ilvl 385

[sand egret]

can confirm, i haven't hit uldir so i am having a hard time understanding what "Block" is

[lusty grotto]

WF raider, says warrior should spec indom -> Yep that's right

[uneven mason]

german

[main vault]

What the fuck did you say to me

[pine saddle]

sry for interrupting

[uneven mason]

lol its ok Rang

[main vault]

Dont use Eye

[uneven mason]

we're just ranting

[pine saddle]

xD

[main vault]

Sorry

[uneven mason]

Eye is "meh"

[main vault]

Nein Xalzaix' verschleiertes Auge

[sand egret]

ya'll are mad fast at translating...

[lusty grotto]

HOLD UP

mac

what did you say

[pine saddle]

oops sry its german xD

so it is the eye trinket from uldir

[lusty grotto]

shit its only cause of ilvl

[main vault]

Sorry I cant do a full convo in German

[crystal creek]

I had to switch to iirc so i could keep up with this conversation.

[pine saddle]

and then doom of fury

[vapid flax]

Haste until you have enough of what you need and then stack any of one stat. Mastery has been ahead of everything. Going to be the same in BFAD.

[pine saddle]

and scyringe drom uldir and disk

[uneven mason]

Use the Doom's Fry and Sycring

[vapid flax]

Idk why people keep talking about crit tbh.

[sand egret]

ahh id say dooms and syringe as well

[lusty grotto]

because crit gives you parry

and because parry is 100% mitigation

[quiet crane]

Hahahaha

[main vault]

Crit is the best stat for overall mitigation

[quiet crane]

Yeah that German through me a mile

Haha

[pine saddle]

is archive also ok for dungeons?

[quiet crane]

Good one man

[uneven mason]

Because CRIT Isn't bad https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

[sand egret]

yes it is Rang

[main vault]

But the worst because RNG

[uneven mason]

fuck

[vapid flax]

100% mitigation is bad though. You want smooth damage, you aren't a BDK

[uneven mason]

I did it YOU HAPPY

[lusty grotto]

the only reason crit is bad, is because it's RNG

[pine saddle]

ok

[lusty grotto]

the fuck

[pine saddle]

thx

[sand egret]

100% mitigation....is...bad?

[vapid flax]

Yes...

[main vault]

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

ok

let's quote that

[main vault]

Please change quote of the day

[quiet crane]

What did he just say

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason Mac I give u my 8/8

[sand egret]

word.

[lusty grotto]

we have a new quote of the day

[main vault]

100% mitigation is bad

[quiet crane]

Wow

[vapid flax]

It is bad...

[stone cloud]

“0 dmg taken is bad”

[lusty grotto]

i just i mean

[sand egret]

"yo, you can literally parry every hit from this boss"
"naw fam, i'm good"

[lusty grotto]

do BDKs have 100% mitigation?

[main vault]

A tank that takes no dmg

Bad tank

[quiet crane]

You’ve literally just proven you know shit

[lusty grotto]

why do they heal themselves then?

[stone cloud]

Well

[lusty grotto]

the fuck?

[vapid flax]

Lol ..

This discord is a joke.

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grotto the damage to their ego

[lusty grotto]

if you have 100% mitigation, why do you even need healing

[sand egret]

hold up. let's let him explain

[stone cloud]

Still generate rage if parry?

[main vault]

Its people in it

[quiet crane]

Only joke here is you mate

[main vault]

Like you

[sick sentinel]

Only joke here is Nexii

Let's not get it twisted

[sand egret]

im genuinely curious, tbh why 100% mitigation would be bad

[vapid flax]

100% mitigation for one hit then 0% is bad. Where is theck when you need him.

[uneven mason]

It is our lowest stat in priority because it does not work vs boss mechanics and is RNG, however it is very strong in large numbers or over time

[main vault]

So the RNG is bad

Not the mitiagation

What we said

[sand egret]

^

[main vault]

And you argued with

[vapid flax]

The mitigation is bad.

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

[vapid flax]

Mastery is better

[uneven mason]

Literally did it again

know what reduced the most damage in that screen shot

IT WASN"T MASTERY

[main vault]

Next level

[vapid flax]

That's assuming you don't want to be healed lol.

[sand egret]

your issue is that the rate of mitigation is bad, not the quantity

[uneven mason]

not NEEDING healing != not wanting to be healed

[vapid flax]

Causing overheating and saying "but nah 100% mitigation" is retarded.

[stone cloud]

100% of healing at 100% is worthless

[uneven mason]

^^^

[vapid flax]

Yes..but it's half automated...

[main vault]

So for a single hit, mitigating it completely is worse than taking a hit and needing to be healed

[lusty grotto]

@daring marlin did Lova rename himself

[uneven mason]

WHy would the healers be healing you if you were not urt?

[vapid flax]

This isn't cats any more..

[sand egret]

as 100% mitigation is literally no damage. You're poin tis the unreliability of it, no?

[main vault]

He doesnt know his point

[vapid flax]

Warriors are already tanky as fuck. You don't need to troll lol.

[main vault]

In heroic raiding it doesnt matter

[uneven mason]

You finally said something right

[stone cloud]

It what if I am a troll warrior?

[vapid flax]

Go complete mythic Uldir and tell me mastery isn't a little bit better

[lusty grotto]

jesus its Lova 2.0

[stone cloud]

The. I must troll

[uneven mason]

We didn't say mastery isn't better

we're saying crit isn't bad

[stone cloud]

^

[uneven mason]

🤦

[vapid flax]

I did say at the start, you get enough haste for shield block uptime then any stat is fine. Mastery just does a little bit better overall.

[stone cloud]

You sir, are high

[vapid flax]

Lol...you are arguing with People that aren't me haha.

[sand egret]

also because you'd still take haste anyway

haste doesn't suddenly go bad

[main vault]

haste to a level for SB uptime is also wrong

But ok

[vapid flax]

Mastery is slightly better. Idgaf about crit arguing.

[sand egret]

it still feeds into more rage = more cdr via AM

[vapid flax]

????

You can keep going haste, it doesn't go terrible but mastery is better by a small margin. Why are you trying to troll?

[quiet crane]

I’m gunna come out and say it

[sand egret]

you still haven't stated why mastery is better

[quiet crane]

Mate

[sand egret]

fyi

[quiet crane]

You’re fucking beyond stupid

[main vault]

At what point is Mastery>Haste?

[quiet crane]

That’s not the point being argued

And hate shits over mastery

Haste

[stone cloud]

M+ and parses? @main vault

With double BoM

[vapid flax]

Lol ..5 people trying to argue with me and say they didn't say anything yet bandwagoning with other people just to be contrarians. Hahaha.

[quiet crane]

You don’t wanna listen to a single thing and spout on about what you don’t understand

[sand egret]

honestly, they're all really close. They also vary in power relative to your content. Crit has more benefit in M+ than raids, for instance.

[main vault]

So you havent answered the question

At what point is Mastery>Haste

[uneven mason]

OH guys

I have a new one

[quiet crane]

You’ve made 0 effort to even back what you said

[uneven mason]

last night

[main vault]

You dont get to make bullshit up and not be called out

[uneven mason]

look at that shit

[vapid flax]

I can't answer any questions though, before I breathe..5 people jump on..

[uneven mason]

Mythic fetid

[main vault]

You just dont know what you are talking about

[quiet crane]

Bullshit man you spout one hung after the next

Thing

[lusty grotto]

@vapid flax https://goo.gl/oguKzo

[main vault]

And just spewing bullshit

[quiet crane]

You’ve had the chance you just can’t cause you don’t know

[sand egret]

boom

[lusty grotto]

its in #268491842637660160 @vapid flax , have fun

[signal plover]

Man if only there was an outdated pin that explain the core of squabbles here

[quiet crane]

Simple as that and you keep making excuses

[warm plinth]

Mac you weren't running Ravager were you 😏

[main vault]

- In terms of pure damage reduction, that stat priority is Crit>Vers>Armor>Mastery>Strength>Haste.

[uneven mason]

No, got a knot

I use it when I'm butt slapping the big add

so I parry a shitload

[sand egret]

I love my Knot

[warm plinth]

Nice.

[sand egret]

6% parry/10% crit

[vapid flax]

2 heal fights and you will see why mastery is slightly ahead. Parrying isn't that effective. Makes you open slightly more to one shots. Mastery is far smoother which is what you want. Going to be stronger in BFAD unless you aren't running HPala or monk.

[sand egret]

you're not getting 1shot as a warrior

[uneven mason]

"one shots"

[sand egret]

i'm sorry

[main vault]

- However, because of how much we value the damage smoothing that comes from Haste, and how Crit's overall value is lessened because of its completely RNG nature, the stat priority for overall survivability is Haste>Armor>Vers>Mastery>Crit>Strength.

[uneven mason]

name something that can one shot a warrior

I eat Thrash to the teeth

fucking one shot

[stone cloud]

2 heal fights. The last I recall on prog was star auger

[vapid flax]

But why would you want pure reduction? That's why TMI exists..

[lusty grotto]

did you forget that you can parry, while you have SB up?

[main vault]

TMI

hahahahaha

[uneven mason]

right which is why crit is lowest in overall PRIORITY (but not strength)

[sand egret]

so our mastery increases our CHANCE to crit block

[vapid flax]

You are just spouting bad pins that are outdated..

[main vault]

I bet you use AMR too

[quiet crane]

This guy won’t listen

[sand egret]

technically a parry is just a 100% mitigated crit block

[quiet crane]

Let him do what he wants and think what he wants

[uneven mason]

dudebro is trolling now

[lusty grotto]

https://goo.gl/oguKzo read up on the stat analysis @vapid flax

[main vault]

Some people are helpess, Id leave him alone

[quiet crane]

^

[vapid flax]

Why are you people arguing points that nobody is questioning though? This is just a twitch chat of spam..

[quiet crane]

He won’t get it he’s stuck in he ways

[astral crystal]

how are the pins outdated? marok keeps them up to date

[main vault]

I got azerite to farm

[quiet crane]

Lol we answered everything

To a T

You’ve given nothing back to validate your responses

[uneven mason]

CRIT CRIT CRIT CRIT BABAAAAAY

[astral crystal]

call daddy @final mist

[quiet crane]

That alone shows you’re incompetent and spew on about shit

[stone cloud]

Ok we all stop now my popcorn is empty 😦

[lusty grotto]

lets move on, Chef Nimchip time

[vapid flax]

Tanks are already tanky as fuck. Mastery is better. Try it out is all I'm saying. You can post whatever screenshot you like.

[lusty grotto]

mac already put up his pic

[sand egret]

we have.

[warm plinth]

The stat analysis has two things that are out of date: vanguard and SB base CD. Everything else is still valid and you can easily change those to update it.

[sand egret]

i have

[quiet crane]

Can’t wait till sal is here or marok

[vapid flax]

The pic means absolutely nothing..

[lusty grotto]

correct @warm plinth

[sand egret]

this is why i'm saying what i'm saying

[final mist]

Hmm?

[quiet crane]

Here we go

[final mist]

What's going on?

[vapid flax]

If you don't want to discuss things then why have a discord?

[lusty grotto]

but you didnt discuss things

you said

[signal plover]

Back out while u still can Sal

[lusty grotto]

and i quote

[main vault]

Discussing with information and spewing bullshit are two different things

[stone cloud]

“100midigation is bad”

[lusty grotto]

something along "your pins are outdated"

[signal plover]

The passions are burning

[vapid flax]

10 people just spamming me calling me a moron lol. That's not a discussion

[stone cloud]

Then stop being a moron?

[final mist]

Volson, what are you saying and trying to prove?

[main vault]

volsonToday at 1:57 PM
100% mitigation is bad though. You want smooth damage, you aren't a BDK```

[vapid flax]

This is why protection has bad reactions. You don't want to move the community forward.

[crystal creek]

I do like the spirited debate, but it is hard to keep up with so many.

[uneven mason]

🤔

[sand egret]

🙄

[lusty grotto]

let him talk to sal

[stone cloud]

Technically mastery is bad too cause rng of crit blocka

[vapid flax]

Doesn't matter though, if you don't want to debate and just spam pictures, emotes and insults then I will stop.

[main vault]

His argument is Mastery>all for mitigation

[uneven mason]

Explaiing how stats work - get told we're wrong with direct quotes from the guides...with logs to prove it..

[quiet crane]

Let sal talk guys please

Hell sort it

[uneven mason]

guess we're going back

[stone cloud]

Tbh vers is bis

[vapid flax]

No, I did not mention mitigation. I mentioned for raiding

[final mist]

If you don't have the math or evidence to back up what you're saying, then that would be why would people take what you say at purely face value?

[stone cloud]

It works 100% of the time

[final mist]

Show some evidence and math, and we'll talk.

[vapid flax]

Protection is already tanky af, so you should just go mastery.

[hollow thorn]

There has been nothing to back up the claim as ive seen

[final mist]

For what?

[main vault]

raiding

[hollow thorn]

This is a pointless discussion with 0 facts lol

[final mist]

If Prot is already "tanky af", then why do you go Mastery?

Just because...?

[main vault]

Apparently Haste to comfort level>Mastery>rest

[uneven mason]

Vial DPS HNGG levels is why?

[sand egret]

shhh you 2, i'm actually getting into this let em speak 😃

[vapid flax]

Because it's a tiny bit ahead of other stats. Mastery is better for this raid and next.

You can go anything you like though.

[final mist]

How have you proven that?

[hollow thorn]

Where is the proof

[final mist]

Do you have evidence, maths, logs, etc, anything to prove your argument?

[vapid flax]

If you want to go crit, go crit.

[main vault]

Its better when he keeps repeating it

[stone cloud]

Why is it better?

[deep cedar]

@final mist your mitigation is centered largely around block, the best way to tank damage is to avoid it.

[hollow thorn]

You cant just make a statement like thst without backung it up

[vapid flax]

Only time mastery is going to be super bad is if you have no HPala or monk healer.

[hollow thorn]

Thats why ppl are arguing with u

[steel mauve]

That doesnt mean mastery > all @deep cedar

[stone cloud]

Or the boss is magic dmg

Then mastery = useless

[quiet crane]

Same to thingni said past half an hour nexi Mum all of it have tried to explain to you and show proof to validate what they explain

[final mist]

The best way to take damage as a Warrior is to smoothen incoming damage, that's why Haste is typically valued the most, since it interacts with our base toolkit, and most especiaally Anger Management, very well.

[steel mauve]

I mean mastery doesnt help against all damage like haste does

[quiet crane]

You’ve proven nothing in your claim

[stone cloud]

Or vers.

[daring marlin]

What in the world is going on here

hullo?

[silk mortar]

Master increases ignore pain right?

[deep cedar]

vers

[vapid flax]

Well haste is fine for that but tank damage isn't an issue.

[steel mauve]

And arguably our tool kit literally revolves around anger management, which haste directly effects

[somber dragon]

mastery increases ap which increases ip

[sand egret]

@silk mortar yeah, via Master > AP > IP increase

[signal plover]

Mastery increases AP which increases IP @silk mortar

[final mist]

Again Volsonl, do you have evidence to support your claim?

[vapid flax]

Well if you have enough SB's then you don't need much more mitigation.

[silk mortar]

"I mean mastery doesnt help against all damage like haste does"

🤔

[final mist]

That's not answering my question.

[vapid flax]

Where is the magic DMG you are struggling with in Uldir?

[signal plover]

He's just asking for proof of the math behind the claim

[deep cedar]

@silk mortar I see where that argument is coming from, more hast = more gcds = more rage = more ip or other mitigation.

[silk mortar]

Obviously that is right ^^

Didnt mean to just jump in

Just saaw someone saying mastery does nothing

[vapid flax]

I don't sit behind computer models and calculators. Mastery is just a tiny bit better. All I have said. If you do actual raids then you will see.

[crimson sentinel]

Yikes

[stone cloud]

@silk mortar against magic it does very little

[steel mauve]

You can also get more IP's out eith more haste which imo would be far more effective than the amount of IP increase from mastery, unless you could get it to double your IP value

[sand egret]

so this is all by feel then?

[crystal creek]

Oof.

[somber dragon]

you also have to think about "how much" effective mitigation 1 point of a stat gives

[sand egret]

how is ANYONE to believe you?

[final mist]

Yeah, that's not how that works.

[stone cloud]

Since IP can only stack to a certain %

[final mist]

End of discussion, move on lads.

[main vault]

Just made it so much worse...

[silk mortar]

Yes @stone cloud but that isnt what i was pointing out ^^

[signal plover]

Man here I was hoping there would actually be some facts

Moving on

[upbeat fractal]

How bout that local sports team?

[main vault]

War needs to be like FF14 War

[lusty grotto]

Just to be 100% clear, uldir is content that a great deal of the WoW pop out gears today

[main vault]

Or Paladin

[astral crystal]

guessing volson doesn't bother with logs either 🤔

[sand egret]

ew

no

War > Pala

[main vault]

I love all the tanks in FF tbh

[sand egret]

Pala in ffxiv was soo boring

[daring marlin]

WAR>DRK/PAL

[main vault]

Oh No, in fun

DRK>WAR>PLD

[sand egret]

DRK was fun, but yeah War was dope

unchained is just YUM

[daring marlin]

Not even close bruh

[stable bear]

pala has the most utility in FFXIV tho...you can stay super busy if you like healing and protecting your group with shields/etc

[daring marlin]

WAR #1!

[signal plover]

Ok I can close this discord again this was gud 🍿

[main vault]

lol

[sand egret]

dont get me wrong Pala is super strong but the feel was just yuck to me

[signal plover]

I guess we are doomed to keep moving the community backward was it?

[lusty grotto]

Guilford you're late

[daring marlin]

I am

back to work tho gl

[sand egret]

let's not rehash it....

[main vault]

@sand egret Its more vanilla, but so many CDs

[lusty grotto]

I'm sorry I don't mean Late == Guilford

[signal plover]

Don't be talking bout no hash

[lusty grotto]

I meant in the temporal sense

Fuck

[quiet crane]

Sal got him to shut up could see that coming

[lusty grotto]

I didn't mean Sense

[quiet crane]

Cheers mate

[steel mauve]

Pal has as many cds as actual spells...

[sand egret]

Nim....got take a nap

[quiet crane]

Can’t wait to go back to classic warr tank

[sand egret]

you're fizzling

[lusty grotto]

Oh boy

[stable bear]

DRK is just too many presses of dark arts imo

[main vault]

I like DRK the most because its different

And takes planning

[sand egret]

was the reason I loved it, but generally I found the game to be "Slower"

[steel mauve]

Drk was too spammy for me, spamming the same ability every other button

[lusty grotto]

I wish warriors in gw2 tanked

[oblique garnet]

What is this?

[main vault]

And cause you cant Enmity gain and DPS gain lol

[sand egret]

so I liked that extra off gcd stuff

[main vault]

I cant wait for Classic tbh

Depending how these next two patches go I may Classic full time]

[sand egret]

imma hard pass on that one

[stable bear]

ya no thx

[stark sage]

warrior was the big dick class in vanilla

[quiet crane]

Nexii team up 😄 double prot

Yayyyy

[crystal creek]

2hot2prot

[quiet crane]

You EU though not sure

[main vault]

No

Not anymore

[quiet crane]

Who’s oce here the real legends 😉

With the shit net

[lusty grotto]

i played BLM in FF :\

[main vault]

Ewww Alliance

I play BRD/MCH

And BLM

But I just cant get away from tanking

[lusty grotto]

but i didnt play last expansion

[quiet crane]

I wonder if the undead racial gunna go back to be broken

[lusty grotto]

just heavensward

[stable bear]

same

i quit just after HW...and came back recently as DRK/NIN

[quiet crane]

30 sex originallybin it’s trinket use if I remember correct in early days

Originally

[main vault]

I tried DRK, it isnt bad

[lusty grotto]

i like GW2 more than FF for some reason... i love FF's art style and music though

[main vault]

er

DRG

so gross

GW so bad

[lusty grotto]

and there's tanks in GW2 now

they are mesmer chronomancers :p

yeah well its certainly not for everybody

but there's no sub so 🤷

[quiet crane]

That guild wars?

You guys on about

[lusty grotto]

yes

[main vault]

Y

[quiet crane]

Never played it

Should I give it a crack?

[lusty grotto]

its free right now

[main vault]

You aren’t missing anything

[lusty grotto]

i think

[quiet crane]

Ahh fair nuff then

[lusty grotto]

or so ive heard at least the base game

and the 2 expansions are 15 bucks each

on amazon

[quiet crane]

Amazon lol

Never order from then I will

Them

[astral crystal]

why not?

[lusty grotto]

weird

[astral crystal]

amazon prime is lit

i've saved so much money on hardware

[quiet crane]

I ended up with a dildo from them once I shit you not. And no I didn’t order one

[astral crystal]

rofl

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[quiet crane]

Unless my partner did cause I suck who knows

[astral crystal]

sounds like a nice bonus

[lusty grotto]

hey man

that could spice up your love life

dont knock it

[quiet crane]

😂

[main vault]

Amazon Prime is life

They have been here like 4 days this week

[quiet crane]

I ordered just a book and got a dildo so

[lusty grotto]

hitachi magicwand is good

just saying

[main vault]

The personal delivery is bis

[quiet crane]

I was little bit off with that experience

[main vault]

Did they let you keep it?

[quiet crane]

Lmao yup funniest shit

[main vault]

So you got a book AND a dildo

[quiet crane]

Got my book to

[main vault]

Seems good

[quiet crane]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

worth it ✅

[quiet crane]

Awkward convo but

Just said as a joke it’s how we do things down under

[lusty grotto]

either way, i meant digital download on amazon

[quiet crane]

But still not ordering again lmao I don’t wanna know what shows up in the next package

Ahhh ok

[somber dragon]

55 gallon drum of sex lube

[main vault]

I prolly buy 95% of my stuff from Amazon

[lusty grotto]

not the actual disc, cause who orders those unless its a switch game or any other console

[quiet crane]

😂😂😂

Cricket

Crikey

I’m thinking of moving overseas simply for net not even kidding

Aussie land is a dumpster anyway

[lusty grotto]

yeah i've heard

[quiet crane]

Won’t miss much

[main vault]

Id say come to the US but lulz

[quiet crane]

Yeah the donny

[lusty grotto]

are you ready to climb the wall though

LUL

[quiet crane]

Upppp the trump

[lusty grotto]

ok ok lets not go into politics

[quiet crane]

I’d say ours are bad but I just remind myself we could have Donald

And I smile again

[lusty grotto]

lol

[quiet crane]

Havnt even been to the US yet going later this year to visit Texas though and see a mate

Guys gotten 100% in all he’s college exams. Expect one for 99% so he’s GPA is 99% guys a genius

[lusty grotto]

nice

[quiet crane]

He’s pissed though because of 99

I wa slickly to get a 50 in all mine over here lmao

Anyone here pre ordered WC3 remastered

[main vault]

Hm GPA doesnt work like that

But good shit

[quiet crane]

I Aussumed it did all I know is that he’s gotten 99 in one exam

100 in the rest

[main vault]

They give you 1 point for a D, 2 for C, etc

[quiet crane]

So I thought naturally 99

[uneven mason]

He doesn't have perfect scores

[main vault]

And average it over # of classes

[quiet crane]

Ahhh

[uneven mason]

is basically what it comes down to

[main vault]

So its a 4.0

[uneven mason]

which is

[main vault]

So whether the grade is a 90% or a 100% it counts the same sadly

[lusty grotto]

anything above 3.0+ is good

[main vault]

Some schools do a 5.0 scale

[quiet crane]

I feel like you Americans are so much more advanced then us lmao

[lusty grotto]

you shouldn't feel that way at all LOL

[quiet crane]

Expecially in math

[main vault]

Good meme

[analog swift]

Hey guys, I know there was a convo a few days ago here about azerite pieces in bfd.

[quiet crane]

😂😂 sometimes I think you guys are king shit then other times retarded

[main vault]

Ive met some real dummies in sxhool

[quiet crane]

It’s that kinda thought

[main vault]

And tutored some of the worst in math

[analog swift]

What are the pieces we want to be rolling on/are there any we really want?

[cosmic cargo]

what weird 3rd world country do you live in that you'd look up to american education?

[uneven mason]

more or less it won't matter

[analog swift]

Also what traits outside dc are best for dps in raids/M+?

[uneven mason]

they all have at least 1 solid trait

for DPS? BoM

[quiet crane]

I spose merica more chances to meet an intelligent person with pop size and also the other way of course

[analog swift]

Seems like everything has BoM and DC

[lusty grotto]

basically it depends on the traits @analog swift, but considering ilvl > all you should just grab what you can

[uneven mason]

I Know its great.

[quiet crane]

Bom and DC man I’d say go for lol

3 bom and booties

[analog swift]

Yeah that’s what I figured

[quiet crane]

Dpssssssss

[uneven mason]

if I COuld do 3x BoM and 3x DC for 🍆 DPS in M+ I would

[quiet crane]

I can’t wait to see the fat claps

[lusty grotto]

@zinc creek grass is always greener, so that's not always true

on the intelligent person comment

[quiet crane]

Idk how well DC scales Hough I. Dmg

[uneven mason]

it does

[analog swift]

I might have to tank for my guild and I want to atleast focus on pushing tank parsss (lol) cuz just surviving is so boring

[uneven mason]

pretty good

for AE

[quiet crane]

Yeah ^ know nim

So you’re a teacher nexi? I gathered

Or just helped classmates cause you top dog

[analog swift]

And I assume BoM stacks just not the IP?

[uneven mason]

Nexii just like to tell people what to do 😛

[main vault]

Im not a teacher, but for awhile I was studying to be one

Ive changed now to MIS

[lusty grotto]

BoM dps comes from the mastery, not the IP

[uneven mason]

BoM Masteyr stacks

[quiet crane]

😂 who doesn’t and nice man

[lusty grotto]

but yes the mastery stacks

[quiet crane]

Mis?

[analog swift]

Yeah but the mastery stacks

Kkkk

[main vault]

Management Info Systems

[quiet crane]

Ahh nice

[lusty grotto]

anything that is numeric stacks in traits, proc chances do not... i think that's in the pins iirc

[analog swift]

Ummmm for dps focus what’s the general stat priority? Ilvl>haste>mast?

[lusty grotto]

i'd say so

[analog swift]

@lusty grotto yeah it is but ignore pain isn’t a proc

So that’s why I was curious

[lusty grotto]

it technically is a 100% proc

[main vault]

Anything that scales with ilvl stacks

[analog swift]

Wut

[uneven mason]

it causes a single cast of IP

[lusty grotto]

you use an ability and it gives you a buff

[uneven mason]

for free

FREEEEEEEEE

[lusty grotto]

its a 1-time proc with 100% proc rate

[uneven mason]

means more Rage to revenge

[lusty grotto]

"technically"

[analog swift]

I mean

[uneven mason]

yes, technically

[lusty grotto]

but yeah that's not important

[uneven mason]

that is how it works

but the important part is

the 8% mastery

[analog swift]

Doesn’t proc stand for “random occurrence” or skmeshit

[main vault]

no

[uneven mason]

no it stands for process

or proceed

[main vault]

Procedure

Almost

[uneven mason]

that

[lusty grotto]

so close lol

[analog swift]

Ight thanks for the tips boys

[uneven mason]

I mean its processes

but one of those will work

heard it called any of them from game devs

back when game devs didn't just call it PROC

[lusty grotto]

oh man i love these Stored Procs

jk i dont

yeah im gonna start saying that here

here as in work

[main vault]

Originally in MUD games it actually meant Programmed Random Occurance

But its changed now

But yeah

doesnt really matter now

[lusty grotto]

hmm...

[main vault]

I kinda miss MUD games

[lusty grotto]

if that's the case then a 100% proc wouldn't be a proc

[crystal creek]

^ Proctologist.

[main vault]

Well its been changed now to means procedure/process

[uneven mason]

Mordor was my first MUD

[lusty grotto]

ah

[uneven mason]

DiKuMUD server up at Ashland...followed

[modern canopy]

Aardwolf was my first mud back when it was still based on ROM 2.4. Still have a soft spot for ROM2.4b6 w/OLC

[pine saddle]

îs Callous Reprisal better than archive of the titans?

[quiet crane]

No

And personally there’d be 0 circumstances I’d use it unless I had nothing else

[thorny laurel]

is ghuun trinket anything for dps prot?

[ebon hound]

nooooo

[thorny laurel]

then whats decent?

[ebon hound]

prot do damage in aoe, on use trinkets that bump master/haste/str/crit are big for dps

[thorny laurel]

Alright Ill go for syringe/rezans then

dont have much else

[modern brook]

ghuun trinket is a bad trinket

for like WoW

not just prot

[thorny laurel]

yeah its sad

[main vault]

It sims ok, but In practice

[thorny laurel]

I know its utter garbage for fury thought maybe it would be ok for prot as I have it on 395

[modern brook]

On use Stat steroids; partiuclarly STR / Mast; are really good for increasing our burst windows

[main vault]

On use stat is the shit

[modern brook]

^

100%

[crystal creek]

no they're Knot.

[main vault]

Huge fan of Knot

[modern brook]

I use Vial + Rezan

Knots nutso too

[crystal creek]

Had to get my knot knot joke in for the day.

[thorny laurel]

lmao

[modern brook]

You to.

[main vault]

I only have a 355 goal

[thorny laurel]

Is knot better than syringe?

[sand egret]

it was knot very funny tbh

[thorny laurel]

I got that trinket actually

[modern brook]

Probably

depends on ilvl

[crystal creek]

knot knot.

[sand egret]

who's there?

[crystal creek]

Ivus.

[main vault]

I have a 370 tentacle one so been using that

[thorny laurel]

well botyh 385

[modern brook]

395 Vial, 370+socket Rezan

prob take knot then

[main vault]

No G’huun, different one

[crystal creek]

Ivus just thinking of a good knot knot joke.

[sand egret]

eyyyy

[modern brook]

6/10

[crystal creek]

oof.

[sand egret]

it was a parry good effort

[modern brook]

all 6 was for effort tbh

[sand egret]

we'll you're just being to CRITICAL about his pun

[modern brook]

I stack crit

[crystal creek]

I thought incorporating trinket with mob that drops said trinket was well done.

idk.

[modern brook]

Oh his name is ivus?

[sand egret]

-_-

[crystal creek]

It is.

[modern brook]

Huh.

I dont read

8/10

[main vault]

This guy

[crystal creek]

I'll take it.

[sand egret]

Bull casts Mental Evasion.
Obvious fact misses Bull's Brain.

[modern brook]

it didnt miss

[crystal creek]

wut?

[modern brook]

I blocked it with my massive forehead muscles

[main vault]

Parried

[modern brook]

[sand egret]

naw you probably saw it

and just ignored it

[modern brook]

As said; I dont read

I'm like a movie star

I dont need to know the names of the enemies I fight because none of them can beat me

[stark sage]

lol

[modern brook]

i'm super excited for 3x Treacherous Covenant 1x DC 2x BoM meta tbh

[signal plover]

Next time ur gonna use your fuckin forehead muscles plz remember that 100% mitigation is bad

[modern brook]

💪 🤕

[lusty grotto]

hey guys are you ready for the new quote of the day

👍

cough

[sick sentinel]

Damn

[keen spire]

.>

[sick sentinel]

That's like

Damn

[lusty grotto]

wait what

you hadn't seen the old and now retired quote of the day INR?

[sick sentinel]

I've been at work

[keen spire]

Wasn't that quite like weeks ago?

[lusty grotto]

that's fine, you caught it while its off to vacation

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[keen spire]

Didn't you snap that shit in a conversation from a while back?

[lusty grotto]

lol no, that was a few months ago

[keen spire]

yeah I was there

for sure

lol

I remember that

[lusty grotto]

i cant remember if he asked for progression credentials though

he probably did

they all do

[crystal creek]

Been some hum dingers today.

[keen spire]

This was pre 8.1 for sure

so he had to have

[lusty grotto]

yeah

wait no

[sick sentinel]

I can't read that fucking quote without wanting to laugh and die

[lusty grotto]

i dont think it was pre 8.1

hmm cant remember to be sure

[keen spire]

dude it totally was

[crystal creek]

Like this guy.

[keen spire]

it had to be

[lusty grotto]

i'll allow it Carahdras

[keen spire]

:gavel:

[lusty grotto]

you know

that's a very good series of puns

[crystal creek]

I got an 8/10 for it.

[lusty grotto]

def worth it

i would pun something but i can't pun for shit

[cold owl]

Always open this discord for a good time.

[lusty grotto]

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[cold owl]

Seriously should pay money for this

Who the checks go to?

[sick sentinel]

Wow, trying to get my gamer fuel(rise up shitlords), and apparently taco Bell doesn't deliver on their own fucking app but will on delivery service ones

[cold owl]

Name checks out

[sick sentinel]

How the fuck can I tank without my food

[warm plinth]

They charge like 15% for deliveries here

[sick sentinel]

I'd wish they charge for delivery, so I can bitch about it costing something

[warm plinth]

They don't charge for delivery there?

[sick sentinel]

Their own app doesn't deliver in nyc

Which is bullshit

[warm plinth]

Well no, we have to use the Grubhub app here, but Taco Bell still charges a 15% of purchase fee

[sick sentinel]

Thats dumb, their dumb