protection

[lusty grotto]

ehh

but at least they're cherry switches

[uneven mason]

I wants one

[main vault]

Cherry is overrated

[uneven mason]

I have a knockoff that someone thought was a real cherry switch KB

[lusty grotto]

i dont know how you could say that

[uneven mason]

sounds like a heard of elephants stepping on walnuts when I Play

[small fable]

Are those Bloody keyboards any good

[uneven mason]

cause the switches deteriorated

[lusty grotto]

truth be told, gaming keyboards with chery switches are generally overpriced

[main vault]

I’ve heard they are

[uneven mason]

they're overpriced

but not overrated

[lusty grotto]

but

[main vault]

They are

[lusty grotto]

not overrated yeah

[main vault]

Because they have stayed the same while others have improved

[uneven mason]

I Need the response from the switch

when I play

soft keys drive me insane

[lusty grotto]

the faux-cherry switches logitech and razer use are fucking retarded bad

[uneven mason]

^^^

Corsair was the only company who could use the real switches for a long ass time iirc

[small fable]

Mechanical make my hands ache

Flame on

[lusty grotto]

i mean... mechanical keyboards are mechanical because they have stayed the same 🤷

[main vault]

They developed their own, it’s not faux cherry

Just like Kaihua isn’t faux cherry

[uneven mason]

I have gorilla hands and use a 50lb test grip strengthener during my hour commute every day, might be a reason why I go through so many mice and KBs

[lusty grotto]

well whatever floats your boat, i used both the logitech and the razer one and i absolutely dislike their switches

they feel flimsy

[small fable]

Pin it

[lusty grotto]

and delicate

[small fable]

Official prot discord hardware

[main vault]

How long ago did you use them?

[signal plover]

K95 will h the brown switches has served me very well and I mongo pretty hard when demo is on the GCD

[lusty grotto]

1 day

[main vault]

You used them yesterday?

[lusty grotto]

no

oh how long ago

i used them for 1 day about a year ago

[torn sun]

Never cared about my keyboard 😄

[lusty grotto]

because i was doing some builds for friends and they bought those 2

[torn sun]

Got used to any in about a week

[lusty grotto]

so i test drove them while coding/playing

[dusky mica]

hoping for the mx518 legendary to get a western release tbh

[main vault]

I’ve used the Huntsman and the BlackWidow and I’ll prolly never go back

[lusty grotto]

wait

mx518 legendary?

[dusky mica]

aye

[lusty grotto]

i had 3 mx518

before i got my g502

[dusky mica]

g502 is shit tbh

[lusty grotto]

i love it

but the mx was superior to be sure

[main vault]

It’s probably the most highly rated general use mouse

[dusky mica]

I like the spinny wheel on it for browsing, but it extrudes too much for gaming

and the thumb buttons are in the wrong place

and its too small

[main vault]

You can turn the spin wheel off

That’s the whole point of it

[lusty grotto]

dang it's china only

[dusky mica]

what does that have to do with anything?

for now, yeah

[lusty grotto]

yeah you get used to the thumb buttons

[main vault]

You said you like it but it extrudes

So

Turn it off

[dusky mica]

do you know what extrude means?

[lusty grotto]

i dont know, i like the g502 a lot... and certainly a lot more than any other mouse out there right now

[dusky mica]

the wheel on the 502 is too high relative to the shell, ie it's too raised

[lusty grotto]

aside from the mx518 of course

[dusky mica]

the spin feature has no bearing on this

[main vault]

I liked it but I missed my mmo mice

And was never using it

[lusty grotto]

wait why is that an issue though

[main vault]

So just gave it to a friend

[elfin plume]

is the requirement for the weekly chest going to be +15 when the raid is released

[lusty grotto]

do you use your index to right click or something?

[ebon lark]

That was an end of expansion thing for legion

[oblique garnet]

weekly chest will stay 10

[ebon lark]

before then it was +10

[sick sentinel]

BoD isn't on ptr yet so how will I tank next tier

[elfin plume]

? ? ?

[dusky mica]

BoD?

[elfin plume]

thanks

[ebon lark]

since in when the raid opens a +10 is going to be equivalent to a +15 in difficulty

[elfin plume]

though

in legion it was +15 before nighthold released

[ebon lark]

i personally dislike the way they scale up everything throughotu the expansion

[urban walrus]

But I'd recommend doing an 11 to get a +10 for first week of S2

[elfin plume]

so thats why i was asking

[ebon lark]

but what can i do

[elfin plume]

yes i know about the 11 thing

i just want to know how much effort is the minimum requirement for the maximum reward

and its a 10 which is small effort

so thanks

[lusty grotto]

as far as we know, its a 10 for max ilvl

[ebon lark]

unless blizzard themselves say otherwise its a +10

[lusty grotto]

unless blizzard backtracks

[sand egret]

I think it's pretty safe to assume +10

also, holy hardware talk!

[urban walrus]

On PTR the difficulty was increased in line with a 15 ->10 but as we know PTR can change, doubt it though

[uneven mason]

Let us not forget the best Keyboard though

[oblique garnet]

they are scaling up the dungeons tho

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[ebon lark]

i kinda nod off when people talk about mechanical keyboards, the sounds they make annoy me and are too damn loud

[lusty grotto]

different switches make different sounds

[uneven mason]

real Cherry red switches are quiet

like

whisper

hence the issue with the knockoffs

being bad

[ebon lark]

every time i've played with anyone that has mechanical keys and are on open mic its click clack click clack

[lusty grotto]

cherry blue is loud as fuck though

[uneven mason]

^^

[sand egret]

my corsair keyboard is the dream for me. perfect mix of good response but not like insanely loud (where people on coms are like...bruh)

[uneven mason]

as is brown

[lusty grotto]

that's because they are fucking retarded

[uneven mason]

black and red are pretty quiet

MX are insanely quiet

[astral crystal]

Brown is master race

[lusty grotto]

i use red

[sick sentinel]

I have browns

[sand egret]

but man the keyboard wars are REAL in my office

[dire wyvern]

got browns too

[sand egret]

our artists are not a fan

[dire wyvern]

no mic activation issues

[ebon lark]

i also say that because some people actually like crazily loud keystrokes because they find it relaxing

[lusty grotto]

lol there's browns in my office too

[sick sentinel]

Black is quiet because it's linear and it takes a truck to push down a key

[astral crystal]

I have a ducky shine one with Browns, makes my small penis the big penis

[main vault]

I have Greens and it doesn’t activate my mic

[ebon lark]

its like how do you find loud inconsistant clicking noises relaxing x.x

[lusty grotto]

YIKES

[sand egret]

yeah...

[dire wyvern]

thats a good out of context screenshot lmao

[crystal creek]

Nim's got issues with browns.

[urban walrus]

What kind of office allows mechanical keyboards

[crystal creek]

oh man.

[lusty grotto]

if your keyboard is activating your mic, you just didn't configure sensitivity correctly

[oblique garnet]

Yikes Nim

[sand egret]

or your mic also sucks

[lusty grotto]

my office does @urban walrus , everyone uses headphones anyway so yeah

[ebon lark]

one guy just makes me sad

[sand egret]

yeah my office has a mix, since we develop in an open format

[lusty grotto]

and you do get used to it

[ebon lark]

he's quiet, so i have to turn his mic up, but his sensitivity is so low the slight squeek of his chair comes though >_>

[sick sentinel]

I am unemployed

[sand egret]

and everyone just gets what they want and wears headphones

[lusty grotto]

yeah we have an open office too, no cubicles

[sick sentinel]

So

I don't do anything with other people

[lusty grotto]

just big ass tables

[sick sentinel]

And I'm the only one with a mech

[sand egret]

the REAL issue....is the lightning...fucking artists are damn vampires

[sick sentinel]

When I moved

I switched from lights off 24/7 blankets on windows

[sand egret]

sitting here during the summer at noon, thinking it's fucking midnight.

[sick sentinel]

To blackout curtains lights on during daytime

[lusty grotto]

i cant use a PC with lights off

i dislike it

[ebon lark]

old timer

:p

[sand egret]

yeah...we got wars

[lusty grotto]

i need a well illuminated area

[ebon lark]

i grew up in the mid 2000s in middle~high school

[lusty grotto]

otherwise i just fall asleep

[ebon lark]

where i gamed unti like 2 am every night

so darkness was my peace

[lusty grotto]

i gamed until those hours

but lights work 24/7

[ebon lark]

its more annoying to playin the light than the dark

cause glare

[lusty grotto]

didn't have a problem with it

[sand egret]

haha this ^ is the war in a nutshell

[lusty grotto]

i did dislike sunlight of course

when binging

[ebon lark]

sitting here if i turn my ceiling fan light on i can see it reflect in about the top half of my monitor

[lusty grotto]

but that's pretty common i guess

[ebon lark]

last thing i need while raiding is not to be able to see anything BUT my bars and hotkeys

[lusty grotto]

that sounds like a badly illuminated area

:p

[ebon lark]

its a small room in a smaller apartment

[sand egret]

before we went to project-based layouts, we had all the artists in a similar area and I would joke to my new hires and gesture like Mufasa to Simba over the Shadowlands

[ebon lark]

i don't have options

:p

i know this isn't true for everyone, but i use to know a vocalist for a melodic metal group and i swear her home was a modern decorate crypt

the only light was the front door

[pulsar grove]

Do we have a list of the best Azerite gear for BoD? Best combo of traits etc for both surv and DPS output?

[lusty grotto]

it's more or less the same as in the pins, depending on content

i.e. you want DC and Bastion for M+, otherwise stick the guides

[sand egret]

can we also talk how such a fickle mistress Azerite Veins is....oh my lawd

Save your ass one minute and not show up for a whole fight the next

[pulsar grove]

Just didn't know if there traits that are better stacking now due to the extra outer ring of traits

[urban walrus]

Aim for BOM/BFI and 1 DC trait?

No better than before

[sand egret]

more or less

DC is still strong

BoM is dope

[lusty grotto]

i wouldn't put BoM over any other for raids

you still need DC

BoM is amazing for M+

[sand egret]

(i can't speak for raids)

[urban walrus]

In dunno I like BOM even for raid

[lusty grotto]

everything else is the same defensively with BFI, IF and Bloodsport on top

[sand egret]

but BoM for M+ is sweet, and i'm not even referring to the offensive part

going from 1/3 to 1/2 of my blocks being crit blocks for 20 seconds is sweeeet

[pulsar grove]

Last question, which out of the top traits stack the best?

[lusty grotto]

???

[sand egret]

well, DC stacks poorly (in the sense that only one component stacks)

[bronze lantern]

BFI stacks linearly

[sand egret]

other than that the good traits don't have any extra special gains

afaik

[lusty grotto]

all stacking of our traits is linear, not just BFI

[modern brook]

probably archive of the titan

if we're being honest

str is pretty good

Also all traits have diminishing returns

[pulsar grove]

Alright, cheers

[urban walrus]

I'm not sure about 1 DC being worth +15 ilvls with the change

[bronze lantern]

it was more before

[lusty grotto]

you don't want 6 seconds extra DR and Dmg?

[modern brook]

100% is

[lusty grotto]

because that certainly is worth 15 ilvls

[modern brook]

let us be sure for you narses 😃

[urban walrus]

I mean sure but to define it in terms of ilvl some people even say 30?

I'd say it's my first choice

[outer dew]

You specifically said 15

[sick sentinel]

DC is 15ilvl but not 45 anymore

[lusty grotto]

its 6 seconds of damage and defensiveness...

[outer dew]

Now you change it to 30

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

try to convert it to ilvl and see where it gets you

[urban walrus]

I was referring to the pinned message with 30

[lusty grotto]

and remember it provides BOTH

[sick sentinel]

How many ilvl of stats will get u 25% dr tbh

[lusty grotto]

with a straight up percent and value, instead of stat stacking

[sand egret]

I personally weigh it at ~15 myself. /shrug

[outer dew]

It says

[stark sage]

your first DC trait is worth ~45 for general purposes

[sick sentinel]

I do at 15

Hence replacing 360 DC with 385 BoM

[lusty grotto]

nobody will do 45 ilvl swaps anymore...

we have residuum

that's a non-issue now

[sick sentinel]

First week boys get your random 385

[sand egret]

and the fact that the chances of getting a single DC trait is 2x higher now

[lusty grotto]

right

you might feel like its a lot of ilvls, but you won't ever be in that situation

[rough egret]

im still runing with 375 DC :/

[sand egret]

so probably some growing pains cases early on when people don't have their season 2 gear

me too wolf

[cosmic cargo]

the amount of gear with both DC and BoM in raid is great

[sick sentinel]

375 dc is fine

[sand egret]

in fact, I JUST upgraded from a 360 last night

[rough egret]

running with theese

[modern brook]

yall suck lol

see my 390

im a stomp god

[cosmic cargo]

what's that cross spec one?

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[stark sage]

elune's something

[sand egret]

🤔

[stark sage]

gives haste

[rough egret]

yes

[lusty grotto]

but why

[sand egret]

that best be like a CR in there

😃

[outer dew]

Run with 6 DC

Ez

[cosmic cargo]

OK thought it was the crappy versa alli one

[outer dew]

Just be only clappy boi

[lusty grotto]

6 DC master race

[main vault]

If only it was possible

[sand egret]

haha yeah....

[rough egret]

I think elune is better that CR

[urban walrus]

I've seen plenty warriors play without any DC traits, surely they have seen a 375 from WQ ?

[sand egret]

6x bloodsport

[rough egret]

than*

[lusty grotto]

i dont

but

its your sub

🤷

[modern brook]

SO uhhh

[rough egret]

same uptime as rezans trinket

[outer dew]

Alot or people are bad at the game

[modern brook]

a random, anecdotal sampling of warriors outside of real content seems like a shit place to get your gearing information from

[outer dew]

Of*

[crystal creek]

I'm not sure if I should be offended by that.

or comlimented

[sand egret]

🤔

[crystal creek]

complimented

[modern brook]

at least in comparison to a discord dedicated to playing the spec

[lusty grotto]

i mean... CR reduces your damage taken

and rezan is a trinket

[outer dew]

Just roll blood dk

[lusty grotto]

you're overvaluing haste

[outer dew]

Smh

[rough egret]

i replaced rezan with alch trink

[lusty grotto]

but 🤷

still overvaluing haste

[sand egret]

let em fly free!

[lusty grotto]

CR is much better than elune

[modern brook]

CR vs stats is pretty even imo

IDK what the generic trait does

but

More haste is always good imo

CR is kinda eh

especially outside of M+

[lusty grotto]

not at all

[rough egret]

its 1,5% dmg reduction

at max stacks

[lusty grotto]

right

which is a considerable amount in secondaries

[modern brook]

🤷

[rough egret]

defensively its better for sure

[modern brook]

nim plz link quote of the day

[lusty grotto]

revenge is still an ability you press to do dmg

everything adds up

[modern brook]

all I'm saying is all of the defense for CR so far has been its not *bad*

[lusty grotto]

kk quote of the day inc

rofl i dont know why i always laugh when pasting that

[modern brook]

I'm still unsure if its ironic or not tbh

I just like using it as an excuse to prioritize damage over everything

[lusty grotto]

It's not ironic

[sick sentinel]

you don't take damage when everythings dead

[lusty grotto]

Oh

Well I guess it sorta is

But he certainly didn't mean it to be ironic

You can't do damage if you're dead either btw

[sick sentinel]

that just means you didnt do enough damage

obviously

because it killed you before you killed it

[lusty grotto]

The chicken or the egg

🤔

👢 🍵 👏

[sick sentinel]

all problems can be solved with boot soup clap

[sand egret]

neither came first, because all life started when Sense 👢 🍵 👏 'd the Earth.

[outer dew]

Boot cabbage soup hand

[lusty grotto]

🤦

[rough egret]

is it known gow many [Breath of Bwonsamdi] will drop from bosses per difficulty ?

[crystal creek]

I'd assume something similar to sanguicell

[rough egret]

yeah me too

[grizzled light]

370 CR or 345 DC? I know the thing says 40ilvls for DC but it feels so wrong.. do you guys follow that pretty strictly?

[candid cove]

Think it’s lower now like 15 lvls for dc?

[lusty grotto]

Use dc

If you're using demo correctly, the difference is certainly worth it

6 extra seconds of 20% less dmg and 15% more damage is worth it

Also thats 25 ilvls 😛

In other news I'm sick and tired of soup

Can't eat solids 😢

No more boot soup okay guys?!

Boot tea clap!

[cosmic cargo]

you can have soup without solids

[lusty grotto]

Yeah well I can't

I can't find a decent pasta place near work either

Fucking dental surgery shit

Had to eat 2 soups from Quiznos :, (

[charred quartz]

Hey guys, i have a question. Last night i did a +11 TD with the guild to get everyone in my group a 380 next reset from the chest. I chose to tank it as since i didnt want to spend a lot of time pugging a tank. Is it me or vanguard buff not do much for us in terms of taking damage? because i was getting mulched pretty hard for 380.
Granted, i havent tanked on prot warrior since beginning of the xpac, so im still trying to learn when to pop shield block, managing cooldowns, etc.

[lusty grotto]

You must have been doing something wrong

380 is more than fine for Fort

And 10s

[charred quartz]

thats what i figured, because i constantly see people praising prot warriors, but dont seem many of them lol

see*

[sand egret]

yeah, no offense but it was most likely a you thing 😃

that being said....we can totally help

[lusty grotto]

You should be able to see quite a few, though it seems that most rerollers and us are pushing 10+

[charred quartz]

none taken at all! since im primarily fury, i have a bunch of haste/mastery going on, and i havent researched much into stats and azerite, maybe ill spend some time doing that today

[lusty grotto]

Yeah take a look in the pins and the icy veins guide

[sand egret]

honestly it's prob not stats/or gear

[lusty grotto]

Do you have a log of your runs though?

[sand egret]

getting mulched as prot is usually when you get smacked naked, so to speak

[lusty grotto]

We could help out if we notice bad skill usage

Also don't focus on stats, ilvl is your friend

[charred quartz]

i kinda figured it was a me thing when i experimented with our lead healer in an 0 Motherlode. couldnt take on 4 mobs at once as prot, but i could take them again as fury

[sand egret]

haha welp. Well, I would check out the guides for rotational stuff

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[sand egret]

I sit in there at 379 on M0 to test out my IV procs...

[lusty grotto]

Logs are good for us to identify problems

[charred quartz]

let me see if i have a log for tanking

[lusty grotto]

Outside of reading about skill use

[grizzled light]

Yeah I was main brew with dk alt and I’m dropping the monk for a prot warrior and I know others doing the same so you’ll se more warriors in keys

[sand egret]

for better or worse haha

[lusty grotto]

Damn rerollers

Arrrghhhhh

[oblique garnet]

All these rerollers with their high key pushing group smh

[grizzled light]

I was a warrior at the start of legion and left it for the monk

[oblique garnet]

im out here struggling

[sand egret]

well you have a group

[grizzled light]

So I’m coming back home no re rolling

[lusty grotto]

Rerollers have teams Late, that's the problem

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

You could probably beat them with a decent team

[sand egret]

ah well, the shocked unicorn response was fun while it lasted in pugs

[lusty grotto]

My team is down to 2 people :(

[sick sentinel]

3

I'm on your team

[lusty grotto]

I dropped from top. 10 :(

Oh

[sand egret]

had a healer last night that wouldn't shut up that "you're so much easier to heal now that IP doesn't suck"....i'm like....wuh?

[sick sentinel]

Nim

[lusty grotto]

Sure weep

[sick sentinel]

Add me to your team

Sweeeeet

[lusty grotto]

I could

[sick sentinel]

I'll be on my rogue

[primal crypt]

LMAO

[sand egret]

someone had his yogurt coffee this morning

[lusty grotto]

Yamo alt is on my team imo

[primal crypt]

The gifs work

omg

Dont tell Marok

[oblique garnet]

Nim can i join your team?

[lusty grotto]

Yes

[sand egret]

I'm on Nim's team

[charred quartz]

here we go, our M+ tank solo tanked Taloc and Mother, and i stepped in for fetid

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wPbykxfvnQ1T2Zp7

[lusty grotto]

Teamchip

[sand egret]

I do all the branding

[lusty grotto]

Nimteam?

OK hang on I'm walking back to work I'll take a look

[charred quartz]

i should say from fetid to zek

[sand egret]

holy devastate batman

[charred quartz]

on fetid, i was the tank who took the thrash

[sand egret]

right off the bat

you cast TClap 4 times during avatar

your shield is not doing you any favors though lol, nor is your weapon (not that dps is really your issue)

[lusty grotto]

Demo shout uptime is 15%

use demo on cd

[charred quartz]

well, luckily since them i got upgrades to 370 sword and board lol

[lusty grotto]

its 20% less dmg from any source including magic, its a 15% damage done buff with Booming Voice

[sand egret]

perfect!

is fetid that much on farm that you didn't have to use Last Stand?

[lusty grotto]

you blocked 50% of hits... that's kinda low

[charred quartz]

yeah, everyone up to zul is on farm

[lusty grotto]

always shield block when getting melee'd... use Last stand when no SB charges are available

i'm looking at Zek btw

[sick sentinel]

Does shield/wep do anything to threat

[lusty grotto]

sure

[charred quartz]

i did not know to use last stand with no SB charges... good to know

[lusty grotto]

more damage means more threat

[sick sentinel]

If I have a 355 shield and a 385 agil wep and there are 3 388 melee dps in my group

[lusty grotto]

you use it because you have Bolster talent

[sand egret]

yeah consider Last Stand (with Bolster) as a 15 second window to recharge SB

[sick sentinel]

And it's skittish

Is threat really my fault

[sand egret]

generally the flow is SB > SB > SB > LS

[lusty grotto]

basically Last Stand + Bolster enables you to fill gaps where no SB is available to block

[sand egret]

that 3rd SB should come off cd right around when your 2nd ends, depending on haste

[lusty grotto]

or... when you want to recharge SB stacks

Last stand is not your "oh shit" button, so do not hold it

[sand egret]

that alone is ~33 seconds of 100% blocking. More than enough for a lot of packs

[lusty grotto]

make sure you maintain Demo shout

[sand egret]

also for anything "blockable" SB > IP in terms of mitigation

[lusty grotto]

you are losing both defensiveness and dps by not maintaining it

[charred quartz]

well, since that fight was dec 18th, gear may be a little out of date lol. here is my current gear:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/stormrage/Rìze

(please forgive me for my azerite traits)

[primal crypt]

void eld

elf

YIKES

[sand egret]

ooof there's your problem

too edgy

😄

[charred quartz]

lmao XD

[sand egret]

well you don't have DC

[charred quartz]

I made her when they first came out, was primarily horde since end of MoP.

[sand egret]

so if you have a piece with it, i'd try and slot that in

[charred quartz]

even with my fury gear, no DC.

Ill have to see if some gear i DE'd has it

[sand egret]

other than that, I would practice shield block / cd usage. Due to Anger Management, our performance (optimal rotations leading to optimal rage generation/usage) snowballs since we get our cds faster to push it harder

better tclap usage during avatar > more rage > more uptime on avatar since its off cd that much faster, etc.

[charred quartz]

so Heavy Repercussions isnt as good as AM?

[sand egret]

AM is god

[charred quartz]

good to know

[sand egret]

it's basically spec-defining

at this point, tbh

[lusty grotto]

you can follow these simple rules:

1. Avatar -> Tclap -> Demo -> Tclap -> then keep doing Tclap every other GCD weaved with Shield Slam/Shield Slam resets/Revenges (this is what we call bootyclapping, and is probably how we do more dmg)
2. Getting melee'd? Demo shout + SB + IP
3. Getting nuked? Demo shout + IP + SR
4. Getting both? Combine the two
5. Did you run out of SB charges? Last Stand (always with Bolster)

[sand egret]

the thing with AM is that realistically, Avatar goes from 1.5 min to like 45-55 seconds

[lusty grotto]

rage management is important: never be rage capped. Always keep IP up but there's no need to spam it unless it is getting dropped off (use an IP tracker). Do you have IP up with a lot of remaining absorb total and almost max rage? Revenge.

[sand egret]

Last Stand, etc.

all gets dramatically increased usage

[charred quartz]

so i shouldnt be popping IP a lot, but SB and Last Stand majority

IP helps, but not as much as SB

[sand egret]

another thing to keep in mind, is the mindset of prot. Specifically, you must be proactive with your tanking. Prot has no real "reactive" way to deal with damage.

[sick sentinel]

Play brm

For a good time

[sand egret]

IP is a damage smoothing tool

[lusty grotto]

IP helps to smooth out dmg, but spamming it does nothing for you

[sand egret]

Block is mitigating

[lusty grotto]

it absorbs 50% dmg, it shouldn't drop from one hit unless you get nuked hard

[sand egret]

^ this is important since w/ mitigation IP lasts longer so damage remains "smooth" longer.

[charred quartz]

interesting.

[lusty grotto]

use an IP and Block tracker

they will help

Marok has some in the pins

[sand egret]

a raw hit just blows through your IP and you're sitting there struggling for rage to keep up and that's what I call the "downward spiral of prot"

[charred quartz]

ive had a couple of those hits.... lol

[sand egret]

vs that IP lasting 3x as long due to having SB up

[sick sentinel]

Shockwave should generate rage based on targets stunned change my mind

[lusty grotto]

lol

id rather have DR-Free warbringer back

[charred quartz]

Everyone, thanks for all the comments and critiques. They'll definitely help me out. Now im gonna go look over stuff in Icy-Veins and compare my restoration list with wowhead's azerite finder.

[sand egret]

so all in all, take a look at the guides. practice your rotation and cd usage. and be proactive at indentifying damage before it happens and plan accordingly.

[charred quartz]

definitely. thanks again for all the help

[sand egret]

np, and happy 👢 🍵 👏 ing!

[charred quartz]

😄

[lusty grotto]

its not boot soup clap

:p

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grotto I can't m+ today

[crystal creek]

shoe soup pray

[lusty grotto]

thats fine, i cant either

ill probably run some sat/sun

[sick sentinel]

Date night -> raid -> probably civ with our maintank and his kiwi friend

[oblique garnet]

Civ5 ?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

guys im gonna have to ask you to rename yourselves, you are now Latechip, Weepchip, Bladechip and Yamochip

[sick sentinel]

Nah

[lusty grotto]

for Teamchip

[sick sentinel]

I'm already "trophy wife weep"

[lusty grotto]

lol

[long tinsel]

I'll be Potatochip

[keen spire]

Can I be Sinisterchip? Or do you still hate me

[lusty grotto]

grrr potatochip is my biggest rival

yes you can be sinisterchip

[keen spire]

Redemption is sweet

[oblique garnet]

Im not tanking tho for teamchip am i?

[lusty grotto]

no

chef nimchip will tank obv

[sand egret]

im bringing my feral!

[lusty grotto]

uhhhhh

[sand egret]

eyyyyy

CANT TAKE IT BACK

[lusty grotto]

yeah, we'll run at around 5 am your time so you might need to sit that one out

😎

[oblique garnet]

Whats 5 am in his time?

[lusty grotto]

hmm dunno

[sand egret]

kitty is nocturnal, we good 😃

[lusty grotto]

damn it!

[keen spire]

So I know Mac is alliance...

Who else is?

[lusty grotto]

hes not anymore

[keen spire]

😮

[lusty grotto]

kansas shuffle

wildcard

lol

[keen spire]

why can't I at hinm

[oblique garnet]

hit em with the old one two

[lusty grotto]

dont worry mac and guilfart are still alliance

(also Rip catfriend)

[keen spire]

catfriend is dead?

rip catfriend

[lusty grotto]

those are the 3 alliance people i know from here lol

[keen spire]

(I'm alliance)

[lusty grotto]

ok the 4

[keen spire]

I thought blade was alli too

[lusty grotto]

he got seduced by chef nimchip

jk idk he said he switched

[keen spire]

@sand egret Is this true?

@sand egret Have you abandoned Manduin for the decaying skin of the Forsaken horde?

[sand egret]

yar, started teaching some coworkers to do keys. they're horde and my RL buddy who was my only ally tie doesn't play. Between that, my druid being horde, and free transfers, the choice was made 😃

[signal plover]

Ehem

[keen spire]

I see

[signal plover]

Dark iron dwarf is bae

[sand egret]

very true

[keen spire]

At least we have Paw

[sand egret]

the lack of beards on the horde is frankly disgusting

[keen spire]

^^^^

WHERE ARE THEIR BEARDS

[signal plover]

Yo my beard is literally fire

[keen spire]

It's lit

[signal plover]

Ya brah

My BoD mog is fresh af too

[sand egret]

last thing I wanted is this patchy bullshit of orc beards. I play WoW to not remind me of myself.

[keen spire]

DadBoD mog?

[signal plover]

Nah brah swolespikes

[keen spire]

Swolespikes

double lit

lol Blade

Orc beards are shit

[sand egret]

mag'har has some that are passible

[keen spire]

the worst horde beards though...

are Belf beards

Because they're not beards at all

[sand egret]

naw orc female

because they don't exist

[keen spire]

lol

[ebon lark]

x.x

swapped from NA to EU WoW

[keen spire]

o_o

why?

[ebon lark]

(all my friends quit and i'm trying to bear through BfA) and tanking without heirlooms is rough

[keen spire]

ah

[ebon lark]

even though i'm in the US EU times line up with my sleep schedule better

[keen spire]

wow

[sick sentinel]

0hmmm

[keen spire]

that's impressive

wait wait

quiet everyone

weep is meditating

[ebon lark]

at the start of BfA we were 25 active raiders strong, a week ago the guild disbanded due to not being able to find new quality trials/recruits

[keen spire]

You broke the peace

[ebon lark]

pff

[sick sentinel]

My Zen :(

[ebon lark]

zenyatta

[sick sentinel]

I'm actually d.va, check the profile picture

[keen spire]

Got'em

[ebon lark]

i tried overwatch a few days ago, wtf happened to it

[astral crystal]

dva a shit

futa widowmaker is queen

[keen spire]

bruh it's all about Brig

Everyone loves baguettes

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I'm only in it because it has cute pictures and my gf only wants to avatar collab overwatch

Ye she plays brig

I play brig when I do because I can't aim

[ebon lark]

anyway, actual question with the 8.1 changes is queueing dungeons and doing quests in-between still the most efficient way to level a class with a tank or healer spec?

[uneven mason]

I'd say, questing with warmode on is by far the most efficient way to level

[keen spire]

^

do the assaults

get the xp bonus

[sick sentinel]

Not worth it

[ebon lark]

<---is fresh on EU so I have just promo items

[keen spire]

do 1 island and 1 randomg dungeon with the assault xp bonus

[uneven mason]

I Mean I did a Shaman from 1-120 in about 2 weeks

[ebon lark]

like the mounts

[uneven mason]

warmode the whole way

[sick sentinel]

Nah

[ebon lark]

otherwise i got nothing

so no heirlooms

[sick sentinel]

Get a dh to boost you through freehold

110s can solo

[uneven mason]

what level are ya

[ebon lark]

currently i'm 17

[uneven mason]

oh man

[sick sentinel]

You do all the trash and skip all bosses but last

[keen spire]

nice

[uneven mason]

lol

[ebon lark]

made my warrior this morning

[uneven mason]

go Warmode

spec fury

[keen spire]

^

[uneven mason]

smash shit

quest

[ebon lark]

i have my 120 one on NA

but NA is trash

😎

[keen spire]

I am on NA

can confirm

[uneven mason]

don't bother with queues unless you're getting camped by some jackhole

[keen spire]

is trash

wait wait

why are you telling to skip queues?

the first random dungeon gives like 100k xp

that's like 4 quests worth

and with a single geared 120, that shit is over in like 10 minutes tops

10mins for 4 quests is pretty damn good xp

the assaults also take like half an hour and give you 60-70% of a level

[lusty grotto]

traitor

[keen spire]

😐

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, dungeons are great for leveling efficiently

[lusty grotto]

NA 4ever

[cosmic cargo]

NA lul

[lavish oracle]

They just get repetitive fast

[lusty grotto]

Shower thought: NA is EU 2.0

[ebon lark]

I hope the new raid will not have a lot of magic bosses star augur still haunts me

[keen spire]

Oh I was kidding Nim. I have no clue. I've never been on an EU server for anything.

Zal

The last boss is Jaina

[lusty grotto]

Jaina shit is blockable

no augur shenanigans

[keen spire]

Jaina is arguably the most powerful magic user alive

[lusty grotto]

also didnt you say you were BrM Zal?

BrM ezmode shit augur

[keen spire]

dude my favorite experience with BrM was on Kingaroth

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, but her auto attacks are physical so we don't all get chumped

[keen spire]

I tanked 6 forge strikes without even batting an eye

[lusty grotto]

her spells are blockable

[keen spire]

so dope lol

[lusty grotto]

Sense said

idk how that works but

i trust Sense-San

[lavish oracle]

Also, what about Dadghar?

[keen spire]

I'm skeptical about that, Nim

[ebon lark]

I was almost exclusively warrior since wrath

[lusty grotto]

but didnt you say legion

[keen spire]

Dadghar doesn't have Jaina's PTSD

[lusty grotto]

me confused

quite a few rerollers today

😎

[ebon lark]

I have played since wrath to the end of legion as warrior

Used a 110 boost on a paladin

Played that until I started on EU last night where I went back to my warrior roots

[lusty grotto]

wb

[lavish oracle]

Only time I didn't main prot was the 2nd half of Legion, still Furied, tho

[ebon lark]

Also removing ignore pain from gcd certainly helped my class pick

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[keen spire]

I always try out every class/spec after they get changed

just to see if I'll like it

[lusty grotto]

you mean putting it back off-gcd?

[keen spire]

I always end up going back to warrior

[ebon lark]

Yea I suck at phrasing

Aorry

[thorn torrent]

they just need to put the gcd to what it was lol

[lusty grotto]

i've never mained anything other than warrior since vanilla

and have been prot main since tbc

was arms before that

i tried to switch mains in WoD to boomkin

lasted 2 weeks

rip nimchippy, still at her garrison

only used for mage tower appearance

[lavish oracle]

I absolutely loathed Devestator so I switched to Bear until BfA hit

[lusty grotto]

i love devastator

i'm just thankful you dont use many gcds for devastate

because ive been spamming the shit out of devastate for 6? expansions? since tbc

fuck that filler ability

[main vault]

If Devastator was still a thing I wouldnt play War

[lusty grotto]

not that devastator would make a difference

[lavish oracle]

I would rather spend a gcd here or there for an ability that does almost nothing than literally do nothing

[lusty grotto]

i mean

i get that

[main vault]

Devastator goes against the playstyle, so no thanks

[lusty grotto]

devastate is fine now

but spammy devastate... no

which is why i liked devastator in legion

i wish devastate did something else other than reset SS though

like maybe apply sunders 😉

[lavish oracle]

Technically it applies deep wounds

[modern brook]

every use of devestate makes your next TC deal50% more damage

[lusty grotto]

i mean i guess

[modern brook]

L^)

[lusty grotto]

lol

[modern brook]

my problem with devestate is that revenge exists

and theres 0 reason for both of them to be around tbh

[lusty grotto]

remember when devastate cleaved?

[sand egret]

i mean, it's just aoe devastate...

[lavish oracle]

I think "as filler" is enough reason

[lusty grotto]

honestly i dont know why they just dont make devastate be rage-less revenge, then add cleave/heroic strike back

rage dumping on revenge feels

[sand egret]

because they hate you specifically

[sick sentinel]

Hmm

[lusty grotto]

terrible

but it is what it is

[lavish oracle]

I do miss heroic strike...

[sick sentinel]

I don't want to go to raid tonight

[sand egret]

dont?

[sick sentinel]

You're right

[modern brook]

Weep u cant go becasue im sick

EZPZ excuse

[sick sentinel]

Nah

Something did happen though

Not to me directly but it's still a yikes

[modern brook]

Oh well

My yikes then

[keen spire]

if you don't want to go to raid, then don't...

you have one more week and then the next tier is out, dawg

continuing to push right now is basically pointless lol

[ebon lark]

I mean tbh the way progression works now in WoW, it feels like once you hit a certain ilevel there is no reason to look for gear anymore, besides better stat optimization since they will get outright replaced in like 2-3 months

[lavish oracle]

I mean...when was the last time that wasn't the case? Beginning of WotLK?

[ebon lark]

more or less, but i do miss that

i mean some people hated that if you got draught of souls or convergence it wouldn't get replaced until the next expansion almost

but i loved the fact that knew it was BiS and it was something I could look forward to

[lavish oracle]

I hated CoF because it refused to drop for me

[ebon lark]

now its like oh I got a 350 wrist from a heroic dungeon at launch

yay i guess

[crystal creek]

[uneven mason]

CoF

Oh man

The Trinket that made fury viable

[sick sentinel]

is crit or mastery better for strictly damage in M+?

[ebon lark]

when i saw the titanforge on my wrist I was kinda excited, then it immediately sunk in

i didn't deserve this normal uldir grade wrist/bracer from doing a dungeon that gives 325

[keen spire]

dude I got a 390 titanforged set of bracers on my 1st week of normal uldir

still wearing those

lol

[lavish oracle]

I wanna say crit but its hard to tell

[uneven mason]

@sick sentinel Mastery

[lusty grotto]

both are good @sick sentinel , mastery is slightly better

[crystal creek]

oi, we had a shaman get 390 haste/mastery ring from mythraxx first week of normal too.

[uneven mason]

Mastery has no RNG attached to it, you just flat out do more damage

gets better the more you have

iirc

[sick sentinel]

so 370 mastery haste pants beat 375 crit haste pants? the haste is the same

[keen spire]

nope. Go for the 375

[ebon lark]

i just don't feel like I deserve some of character's power progression because I got lucky not because I earned it

[lavish oracle]

Fair, we scale better with attack power than any other tank spec

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > all @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

even going from haste > no haste?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[keen spire]

yep

[lusty grotto]

ilvl is more important than secondaries

[sick sentinel]

rings too?

[keen spire]

nope

[lusty grotto]

more STR, more armor, more stam

[keen spire]

rings are a little different

[uneven mason]

Always go with ilvl

[lusty grotto]

as a general rule always go with ilvl

[lavish oracle]

Only think I would sac ilvl for is haste rings

[uneven mason]

not even

[meager sluice]

Does ilvl take precedence over traits?

[lusty grotto]

rings with sockets around 10 lvls worth, rings without around 5 ilvls worth

[keen spire]

^

[lusty grotto]

Yes @meager sluice , this is all in the guide christ

[lavish oracle]

And thats just a personal pref thing

[lusty grotto]

Except for DC

[uneven mason]

after the buff to SB CD haste is more in line with other stats

[keen spire]

DC is worth like 30ilvls now with the nerf though, right? Not 45?

[uneven mason]

I was noticing no real change in EHRPS on Fetid swapping between mastery crit and haste on my RA

[keen spire]

^

[lavish oracle]

Like 15 ilvl now, I think

[uneven mason]

DC is worth more like 15

[keen spire]

cool cool

[uneven mason]

and I've been running without DC

[keen spire]

yeah same

[uneven mason]

and not really feeling it

[keen spire]

same

lol

[uneven mason]

but thats because I'm at like 388 ilvl

and not even mythic bosses hurt

[lusty grotto]

you're outgearing stuff

[keen spire]

I finally put my 375 chest on and got rid of that 345

[lusty grotto]

but you're losing 6 seconds of extra 15% dmg

defensive-wise you obviously dont need it anymore mac

[sick sentinel]

20%

[lavish oracle]

Anyone else think theres too much DC in the next raid

[main vault]

Never too much

[lavish oracle]

Feels like a monkey's paw situation

[lusty grotto]

Booming voice is 15% more damage @sick sentinel

[keen spire]

booming voice is 47.3% more damage

the fuck you smokin

[sick sentinel]

oh i was thinking reduced damage my bad

[uneven mason]

I Mean, stacking BFI is no slouch for ST

[keen spire]

😛

[uneven mason]

DC certainly leads ST

erm AE

but I'm not going to fret

have lieterally 1 week left

[stone cloud]

My 370 FH haste ring with avoidance better then mother base mythic ring?

[uneven mason]

until double BoM/DC goodness

wat

[lusty grotto]

huh

[uneven mason]

no

[keen spire]

NO @stone cloud

[uneven mason]

15ilvl

like, I wouldn't even bother sacing ilvl on rings

and tertiaries are neve really worth ilvl

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[stone cloud]

It’s like 2% avoidance tho 😦

[uneven mason]

k

[lusty grotto]

10 ilvls for sockets, 5 ilvls for haste

on rings

don't go higher than that

that's not additive either

15 ilvls worth of stam and combo of secondaries is considerable

[stone cloud]

Oh well atleast it’s better for fury lol

According to sims anyways

[uneven mason]

yeah for Fury/arms you sim it

Prot we just basically want ilvl

[stone cloud]

So like this?

Is it as good for prot as is for like fury/arms?

[uneven mason]

yes

[lusty grotto]

sure

[uneven mason]

So to clarify, crit is our "worst" stat fro survivability, because its random

its not BAD

its just random

[stone cloud]

Ya it’s like other classes

[uneven mason]

that trinket is prob one of the best for DPS

[stone cloud]

There isn’t really any “bad” stats

[lusty grotto]

right

[stone cloud]

Kk

[lusty grotto]

you shouldn't bent backwards to stack a secondary

that's a nono

only do it, if you like bending backwards for whatever reason, i'm not judging 😛

[stone cloud]

Lmfao

[vapid flax]

If you have enough haste to keep shield block up as much as you need it stacking any stat is fine.

[stone cloud]

Like 45% in raid

[sick sentinel]

Hmmm

[stone cloud]

I don’t have 10 ra on warrior yet cause 8.0 lul

[lusty grotto]

are you looking at effective uptime though

[stone cloud]

I need to be better

[lusty grotto]

because it might be higher

[outer dew]

Well

Uptime isn't the big thing

[stone cloud]

No that’s at 5 itf stacks

[outer dew]

Proper uptime is

[lusty grotto]

yeah effective uptime

[outer dew]

Theres periods where you'll have plenty of relief to recharge

[final mist]

You can get by with basically any amount of stats. At the end of the day, stats are only a marginal increase (relatively) to how your character performs. Due to the way Warrior operates, you're better off worrying about your own play before you should worry about min-maxing stats.

Our secondaries are so close at this point that all you really need to worry about is ilevel.

[stone cloud]

Mhm I need to overlap sb a lil less

Stop*

[lusty grotto]

this is good, you know what you're doing wrong

[stone cloud]

I’ve gotten my revenge usage down too

[lusty grotto]

hows your demo uptime

[stone cloud]

I haven’t really played war since en

Uhhhh is have to check

Id

[lusty grotto]

ok just keep it high

while tanking, or if offtanking since it's good for off-deeps

[stone cloud]

On CD unless you know you’ll need otherwise

But not too long a delay correct?

[lusty grotto]

sure

i usually don't delay it

but you can certainly overlap it by mistake hehe

[stone cloud]

47% on fetid

[lusty grotto]

though, i dont think overlapping demo hurts as much as overlapping SB or SB with LS

[stone cloud]

Dunno if that’s good or low

[lusty grotto]

low

no DC right?

[stone cloud]

Have dc

😦

[lusty grotto]

ok yeah it's low

[stone cloud]

K

I do know this week was kinda tough

Guild dropped a heal on 6/8 and it’s the first week I took warrior into mythic

But more demo ok.

[lusty grotto]

👍

[stone cloud]

Mmmmm I see I was bad with overlaps on fetid tbh as well

Sb and LS

[main vault]

Are you doing Thrashes?

[stone cloud]

I was ya

[quiet crane]

Yeah defs keep uptime on your your demo shout but if you’re struggling to be able to use it even when you’re OT for DPS until you can learn to weave it in I suggest holding it for prog

[main vault]

Yeah definately bad if doing Thrash

[quiet crane]

^ omphh

[stone cloud]

It’s not prog

Just alt

[quiet crane]

Well for you it is if it’s the first time you’ve used warrior “seriously”

[stone cloud]

This xpac yea

[quiet crane]

Sorry should have been a bit more direct with my wording

[stone cloud]

😃 all good

[quiet crane]

But yeah until you’re more then comfortable with it play safe is best bet so you don’t get yelled at

You can slowly learn to add in the fat deeps as you’ve practiced your effective uptime and DS

[stone cloud]

If we had 4 heals like normally I’d have been ok I think I died at the end cause I took two thrashes with 0 heals

[quiet crane]

Then yeah... you’re healers suck if you e taken two and no healing

That’s not your fault

[stone cloud]

Prob didn’t help dk took almost 40k Dtps

[quiet crane]

Wtf they had you has OT

When there was a do

[main vault]

Is DK still BiS for thrashes?

[quiet crane]

DK

[stone cloud]

No

Dk gets smashed by them now

[quiet crane]

DK can still eat a thrash

[main vault]

Then heals it back

[stone cloud]

15% less armour

[quiet crane]

And heal it back

[main vault]

So still bis prolly

[quiet crane]

They always didnmaj

[stone cloud]

He’s been one shot

[quiet crane]

Did man take a hit

[stone cloud]

Can’t da a 1 shot

Ds *

[main vault]

No tank should get one shot

[quiet crane]

What’s he’s ilvl and he’s bineshield stacks

^^

As nex said he’s doing something wrong

[stone cloud]

It was first week of 8.1 so I unmoved

Unno

[quiet crane]

They’re the best tank to eat the thrash

[stone cloud]

I’ve done it since cause monk things

And that first week I solo yanked the last 20%

[quiet crane]

Yeah man I’d make the argument your DK has to get good and do it personally

Yeah monks are BS for it

Just require a lot of attention

[stone cloud]

Stack all the crit bb

[quiet crane]

That’s all stack crit and verse

I

[stone cloud]

Yup

[quiet crane]

Get enough mastery from double ToN

And you know I run faster then the speed of sound in mythic plus on that thing

[stone cloud]

ToN is useless for thrashes

[quiet crane]

Yeah I know that

My mastery is low in general because I decided to stack verse and crit but that’s because I picked those cause the overall but if you’re MT on fetid ToN is bis

[stone cloud]

I have diff sets

[quiet crane]

Anyway this is my beloved prot channnel no monks here

[stone cloud]

I can get all 3 for ra if I want

[quiet crane]

More BoM

[keen spire]

Oh is ToN a monk thing?

I was like wracking my brain

[stone cloud]

Looking at now tho

[keen spire]

"Wtf is ToN"

[quiet crane]

Yeah sorry I should have not said anything lol I’m gunna get yelled at now it’s prot discord after all

[keen spire]

lol no

[stone cloud]

Even with 3 heals and thrash tanking I could’ve easily survived

[keen spire]

prot discord is basically all tank discord

[stone cloud]

Just stop overlapping

[keen spire]

(with a prot focus)

[quiet crane]

Marok has the best discord hands down guys a legend

[keen spire]

Totally

[quiet crane]

To scared to ping him tho

😂

[keen spire]

@fierce juniper Jay and I think your discord is the best discord. Sharin' the love, bb.

[stone cloud]

I’ll prob bring warrior next week too

So we’ll see if I improve a lot

Buti think warrior is the best for thrashes

From a dmg taken standpoint