im running with 2x callous reprisal
#protection
brisk rain
lusty grotto
for M+? 1x DC 2x BoM right now is the best dps
but you can use Archive in place of BoM in some cases
daring marlin
but muh archive
brisk rain
and best survivability?
daring marlin
I only have one BoM piece
sand egret
Avatar doesn't reset like Meta does
mint adder
Im not saying prot needs it, I’m just looking over mmochamp’s list of changes. Is vanguard currently 55% of strength as armor?
daring marlin
so I’m running BoM/DC/Archive
sand egret
too short a cd
brisk rain
okaaay
uneven mason
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/517901074724552705/unknown.png DPS traits are survivability traits
dead mobs don't hurt you
lusty grotto
(in M+)
sand egret
🤔
lavish oracle
DC/BoM/Archive
lusty grotto
yay the daily mac pic
daring marlin
gj mac
uneven mason
sadly
daring marlin
if you’re not first
uneven mason
Avatar faded and he jumped ahead
daring marlin
you’re last!!!!
sand egret
you're basically the healer
lusty grotto
2nd is the 1st loser 😃
uneven mason
because the mage was slacking
Also I respect that DH
still can't beat him
I tried again
uneven mason
fresh pic when I beat him
lusty grotto
looking forward to it
i just kill my DH, so im #1 all the time 😉
easy to kill, just make him mad in discord
sand egret
except they pop meta and leech through the bleeds
uneven mason
^^
sand egret
stupid DH wouldn't just die
sand egret
also tried that
uneven mason
Night Elf extra smart - he can drop combat and not die
sand egret
fel rushed thru emm
daring marlin
lusty grotto
look guys, im just saying what works with my DH friend
sand egret
i think you underestimate the effort I put into murdering my pug DH's
lusty grotto
he's easy to troll so stops paying attention
mint adder
These are current? So im just looking at old buffs?
lavish oracle
Yeah, that's current, @mint adder
lusty grotto
so no more DHs
mint adder
Alright thank you
sand egret
what you're most likely looking at is string updates (which are on live) being pushed via a new CL to the PTR branch
also why mmo-champ is a bit iffy at first take with their straight CL dumps
mint adder
I wish they’d time-stamp some of their stuff
daring marlin
I could level something way faster on alliance...
sand egret
timestamps would do no good
somber dragon
i fucking hate js is way more appropriate than any of the things it has spawned from its putrid womb 😄
the worst thing is that it is goddamn everywhere
and still doesn't have proper floats (or my preference, bigRats) 😄
errr ints
whatever, it's missing something that makes so many little things trivial, but imprecision abounds!
because binary is wierd
sick sentinel
it does have proper floats
every single number is a proper float
I'm not sure what you're trying to say
somber dragon
fair, but at the same time, it doesn't fix everything (:
i love a lot of thing js does, just not how it does them
somber dragon
correct!
i'm not saying that the way it does things are "wrong"
they are doccumented and generally behave as such
i have regular long internal debates about the pros and cons of an old dog like me digging into getting more fluent with js as opposed to things like c/python/ruby that i've spent most of my life in (:
since js is literally everywhere
lusty grotto
im using JS, so no typescript
would love to use fucking new Angular
or even react
the thing is that i get handed these projects that have horrible code
0 documentation
somber dragon
may n'zoth have mercy on your sanity
lusty grotto
i fucking hate it man
somber dragon
i tend to over-doccument, but i don't tend to write separate docs either (and i'm currently a hobbyist)
lusty grotto
i mean in-line comments at least
lusty grotto
is what i mean
lusty grotto
Electron
sick sentinel
ic
I'm working on something I want to commercialize
but I'm greedy so I won't work with anyone else
lusty grotto
i mean discord is made on Electron
cosmic cargo
angular was made by the devil
lusty grotto
so look into that
lusty grotto
honestly i dont know much about desktop apps
somber dragon
electron is solid, a bit bloated if you realllllllly care about minizing footprint, but realistically on most any device it is going to be a non-issue
lusty grotto
since i just do web apps
i should start playing with electron and whatever microsoft has
if they have something different than C# cause fuck that
i've had enough of Java as it is
somber dragon
i prefer c# to java, f# is an interesting # family member that is more of a functional approach.
lusty grotto
yeah i gotta check out f# for sure
somber dragon
kinda in the ml/ocaml-y way
(which you can get a look at via bucklescript for js 😄 )
lusty grotto
hmm
lusty grotto
rofl
signal plover
What the fuqq is going on in here
somber dragon
most things that the java and .net ecosystems are built on scare me
but i will admit that c# and f# have a nice blend of "enterprise" with "human friendly"
somber dragon
they are "too big" for the kinds of projects i tend to do
groovy kinda fixes it with java, but since i'm on linux, i haven't really fucked with c#/f#
yes kids, wine is not an emulator!
trail whale
"if i had known scala existed i would never have made groovy" - the creator of groovy
somber dragon
at the same time, they do things very differently
signal plover
Someone, quick, ask about Prot warr viability and return us to normalcy
Come forth unnamed champion
somber dragon
scala is trying to be the uberlanguage, groovy swings java towards ruby/python.
signal plover
Claim your glory
sick sentinel
so yea idk
somber dragon
how are on-use mastery trinkets for us defensively? 😄
sick sentinel
I might just use electron
which suuucks
because the program I'm trying to make obsolete also uses electron
sick sentinel
Wait it wasnt a joke
somber dragon
wait, wouldn't on-use str be kinda like both?
somber dragon
due to ap == ignore pain?
sick sentinel
Yes and no
somber dragon
and a bit extra base from vanguard?
sick sentinel
ok boys
sturdy sable
And armour from strength
somber dragon
i will have to check the size of my ip with 852 extra mastery 😄
because this trinket is super nasty for my fury burst 😄
sturdy sable
How's ancient knot forr us?
Dps wise
sick sentinel
Knot?
sturdy sable
Ye
sick sentinel
It pumps
sturdy sable
Thank you
sick sentinel
macro it to avatar
make a weakaura to show its cd
it'll be within 5s so like
Because you can use it with avatar every time
lusty grotto
yeah knot is very good for dps
lusty grotto
every 2nd avatar *
sturdy sable
Yeah I figured on use should be lined up with avatar
sick sentinel
so there's no reason to hold avatar
@lusty grotto nah
I can use it every avatar
Every avatar
1min cd
lusty grotto
you sure? i havent kept track but i definitely have it macro'd
sick sentinel
it's within 5-10s
for me
avatar is off CD and then within 10s knot is
so it's worth to pop avatar then
lusty grotto
hmm well today i learned
lusty grotto
lol nah
lusty grotto
but i do need a WA to track trinkets
sick sentinel
Weeps WA set is really nice
i use omnicc for it
and I don't get the cd timer on marok's ignore pain tracker
because i'm a leet hacker
I personally use it and I love it
I use a bar for my IP tracker though
sick sentinel
ill screenshot it
and then u can decide ig
@sick sentinel i actually updated the demo shout btw
@lusty grotto here
come to #ui-addons-manager
sick sentinel
it's not on wago
but ye
I'm considering
when talented into Bolster
having the SB icon trigger when Last Stand is up
uneven mason
"when" talented into bolster
main vault
@lusty grotto do you like it? I’ve been using senses but debating
main vault
I used it for a bit in Legion is it any different?
lusty grotto
kinda the same as it was in legion just updated for BFA
tribal anchor
Anyone faced aggro issued on Fedit while tanking boss against overgeared BM? Could Devestater help?
dusk locust
against overgeared tanks you could try taunting once in a while even though you already have aggro
give yourself a bit of a boost
astral crystal
@lusty grotto i'm on khakhan's too, shit's too good
dusk locust
i'd say every 30 secs or so taunt and drop a shield slam or two, and taunt before avatar
if the ilvl diff is that substantial
lusty grotto
right
dusk locust
even better get omen and monitor your aggro vs the other tank's
tribal anchor
I did used omen xD i saw it coming still it did not help. I also dont understand how, but was the first ever raid as prot in legion 😃 15 ilvl
lusty grotto
do you have logs?
lusty grotto
i mean lol
lusty grotto
he has 20% demo uptime
demo more
you do more dmg that way due to BV
and therefore more threat
DC will help
you need to Demo on CD
lusty grotto
i get what you're saying guil
primal crypt
I did
primal crypt
It was getting itchy
primal crypt
Couldn't tank because it was itchy
sand egret
his avatar phases are super week imho
winged ibex
i died because he died that makes him the problem
tribal anchor
Yeah i did one or two times when i knew i would not have block
lusty grotto
not having demo up is hurting BOTH your dps and your defensiveness
sand egret
also make sure you're getting in those TClap casts during avatar
lusty grotto
if you do not have block use LS with bolster
lusty grotto
ah yes you're right blade
cosmic cargo
what was the IP cap btw?
sand egret
like in legion?
sand egret
it's 1.3 now
sand egret
👍
lusty grotto
yeah your dps is low for sure
tribal anchor
Thanks guys! Much appreciated. I hope i can play warrior instead of monk :?
lusty grotto
at that ilvl you should be doing much more
sand egret
generally, and maybe it's just me, but my TClap ends up being ~40% of my dps
modern brook
Sounds about right
sand egret
but I also have no fucking clue how fetid works, so there's that
sand egret
pogs?
sick sentinel
pogger
sick sentinel
poggerchamp
sand egret
i don't even know what that means, tbh
sick sentinel
oh shit
sand egret
but now I wanna go play some pogs
sick sentinel
my weapon isnt even enchanted
modern brook
enchanting sounds very non-warrior esque
daring marlin
@sand egret imagine a target dummy
that’s fetid for tanks
literally
epic fuck up on my @
upbeat ivy
Any way to check who pushed people out of spheres at Mythrax or "who did damage to spheres" trying to get peeps out?
sand egret
awkward.
sick sentinel
weep has a shitty laptop that can't play terraria
yet she can stream better than me
sand egret
@tribal anchor also, I wouldn't feel too bad. That guy is also kinda geared to the teeth haha
uneven mason
someone making warriors feel bad?
uneven mason
Besides Nim I mean
lusty grotto
it doesn't matter if hes geared
youre not supposed to lose threat to a brm
i swear to god i could out-threat an ilvl 390 brm with a 350 just fine
at least, not lose threat to him i mean
uneven mason
BrM Keyboard layout
lusty grotto
lol
sick sentinel
monkaS
sand egret
i mean i'm looking at the numbers, even more. Their comparative dps does kinda fall in line, imho
could optimize but it seems there's a big gap at 2:00 where the delta goes to 4k dps
lusty grotto
i dont know, im 100% sure he fixes his ability usage and he won't lose agro ever to that BrM
sand egret
oooh I found it
sand egret
not sure what happend ~1:33 but your dps literally drops to 600...
uneven mason
I think I auto attack for 1400
ember arrow
wow good yet?
uneven mason
No Levko, check back in 2 more months
sick sentinel
no
main vault
@ember arrow 👋
sick sentinel
PoE is though
ember arrow
👋
lusty grotto
wait nobody said BDK
warm plinth
Levko back?
uneven mason
He probably got worried
lusty grotto
oh
warm plinth
WoW good
main vault
Tbf next change is in March
main vault
Ouch
lusty grotto
😮
uneven mason
Fetid made a lot of applesauce
warm plinth
Power supplies are overrated.
uneven mason
I had a new EVGA G3 sitting on a shelf already from a build I was working on
so
20minutes later I was back up and running
main vault
Wait
ember arrow
8.3 gonna save wow
main vault
It took you 20min to swap a PSU?
warm plinth
Just got a big ass cable going from the breaker box hotwired to some molexes lol
lusty grotto
lel
uneven mason
Had to redo cables
the G3 doesn't use standards modulars and I Have a very tight case
lusty grotto
thats what she said
main vault
My god I got a new headset setup and my ears are in heaven
lusty grotto
lol
ember arrow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/206156820652359681/533015549593124875/20190110_151249.jpg blizzard fixing wow
lusty grotto
rofl
uneven mason
hahaha
lusty grotto
you mean Activision right?
main vault
Only way Blizz fixes WoW is if they do what Activision just did and let the game go
warm plinth
I just built my girlfriend a PC. Got all the cables all pretty and shit, and then realized the case fan's wire isn't long enough to reach the sys fan header on the motherboard so I had to go straight across the middle to get it to reach. It's so 
ember arrow
does byron still exist
lusty grotto
hmmm
main vault
Activision just released Destiny from publishing
main vault
So Bungie is complete solo
main vault
right
sand egret
so they can't really do what bungie did
sand egret
very different relationship
daring marlin
Interesting.
sand egret
but what it does tell me, is that there is a restructuring going on on a portfolio level
lusty grotto
i honestly
don't think it'll get better
but hey
i enjoy the game, so while i enjoy it
i'll keep paying
main vault
Im with you
I dislike most of it
But what I do like, I like
And next raid looks bis
modern brook
Uldir was a good raid tbh
lusty grotto
hopefully i'll be able to pug it
modern brook
Goon and zul sucked
but mostly cause those were the fights where you learn who in your guild is never paying attention
main vault
I liked Mother, and Zekvoz
modern brook
Till Zul i think is a lot of fun
Mom and zekvos specifically
vectis can suck a nut tbh
daring marlin
Uldir is garbo
cosmic cargo
zul and g'huun were really bad imo
for a fight with so little pulls to kill i got bored of that fucker way too hard
(zul i meant)
astral crystal
ghuun was a good fight i think
pretty adequate difficulty for an intro boss
AFTER the boil change tho
3 boils is pants on head
outer dew
I want 11 talocs in a tier tyvm
cosmic cargo
worse than every first boss in legion imo
though i guess does beat at least skorp and nythendra in difficulty
barely
ember arrow
such a good boss that people avoided him as much as possible
ember arrow
what gave it away
cosmic cargo
clicking on your name 
chrome falcon
it's weird, i enjoyed uldir but also i can acknowledge how bad the fights were mostly
fetid needed 3+ nerfs to be a remotely fair boss, zul is a complete garbage fire of a boss, mythrax (was) far too punishing for melee and most of the ghuun progression took place in your assignment note
but the fights were still pretty fun to play through
cosmic cargo
i didn't enjoy them
chrome falcon
like who put "make the melee pump this one add very hard or get 1 shot" and "0 telegraph aoe mind controls" in the same fight and thought it was ok
cosmic cargo
even compared to ToS, i didn't like uldir
cosmic cargo
ToS was crap
cosmic cargo
specially compared to NH
cosmic cargo
how i hated avatar
lusty grotto
Nightshit
chrome falcon
99% of my problems with legion were based on the heinous tank balancing
in keys and raids
cosmic cargo
auger was one of my favorite fights
chrome falcon
augur was a shit fight
chrome falcon
augur was so poorly designed that you were forced to 1 tank it to make the burn phase
and only one tank could 1 tank it
lusty grotto
ToS >>>>>>> NH/EN for days
lusty grotto
I did like Halls
but it had problems
or whatever the fucking helya raid was called
astral crystal
ghuun was pure execution
which is a good thing
it's not a mechanics heavy fight, but you have to play it right
astral crystal
now you're just tryharding
keen spire
@cosmic cargo The fact that it's a common theme for blizzard to have to do a round of nerfs and tuning and shit to make a bad fight turn into an amazing one makes me question their internal testing team.. like what kind of players are they? lol
chrome falcon
ghuun was pure execution right up until you had 2 boils, right next to each other, inside exploding mushrooms
astral crystal
ehe hehe mure pre nerf now that's a REAL boss sips monster energy drink
chrome falcon
ghuun was a dogshit end-boss
keen spire
Well now we get to pork Jaina, so it's all good
chrome falcon
it was fine as a boss but i don't want my end boss to be a fucking spreadsheet with like 2 mechanics that actually make me use my brain
cosmic cargo
@keen spire KJ speaks a lot for their "testing team"
astral crystal
you say that and yet there's a disturbingly low number of NA guilds at 8/8
marble cipher
I don't like Zul.
There.
cosmic cargo
god that was a bad mechanic on mythic
chrome falcon
no-one likes Zul
astral crystal
i felt that uldir was a really good introduction to personal responsibility/accountability in raids
marble cipher
We still burst it
keen spire
^
chrome falcon
yeah so do we
marble cipher
Tried 'normal', sucked
chrome falcon
we thought we didn't have the damage so we tried doing it the real way
it's like fucking impossible
keen spire
P2 is impossible, yeah
keen spire
because P1 takes forever
cosmic cargo
there was a funny trick to get around the dps check for 4 casters
have a tank move some of them
then re-cc
daring marlin
@marble cipher get better dps
marble cipher
Lots of padding tonight @daring marlin
cosmic cargo
guild in my realm did it because they were rank 100 or w.e and didn't have enough rogues
so they basically transitioned with 4 casters up and CC'd
chrome falcon
that's pretty impressive
marble cipher
It's only a reclear though, but I hate that all dps just goes for parses on Zul😂
chrome falcon
but yeah cenarius was an incredibly shitty boss and zul is like worse than cenarius in every way
cosmic cargo
was a prot pala supposedly
so it didn't leave a dot
cenarius was much better
but i still didn't like it
astral crystal
cenarius was hype
marble cipher
The dot from Zul just murders tanks
cosmic cargo
idk if i'm alone in this but
chrome falcon
cenarius was bad
cosmic cargo
il'gynoth
astral crystal
i loved that fight
cosmic cargo
was great
astral crystal
being invincible as prot tanking 3 dragons
cosmic cargo
for a fight of that style
chrome falcon
i also hated ilgy but it was a really unique fight so i give it respect for that
cosmic cargo
maybe i'm biased because i healed during early-mid EN
and il'gynoth was a healer fight
chrome falcon
my main problem with ilgy was that we didn't have a resto shaman
cosmic cargo
resto shammy with double havoc dh
was
so silly
before they fixed/nerfed darkness
summer kestrel
🤔
cosmic cargo
after helya he was my favorite endboss of legion
lusty grotto
yeah i liked helya a lot
chrome falcon
vial is fucking insane
cosmic cargo
syringe and jes imo
lusty grotto
depends if he wants defensive or dps
sick sentinel
I solo tanked Star Augur before the 15% damage nerf... talk about self punishment
lusty grotto
though the STR in vial is good for defensiveness
lusty grotto
i would use jes + vial for defensiveness and vial + syringe for dps
the str is considerable
summer kestrel
for defensiveness I use 380 rezan
chrome falcon
i still only have 370 rezan and jes
lusty grotto
vial + syringe for dps
chrome falcon
fully tilting
cosmic cargo
actually nvm vial over jes offensive
was thinking jes was higher than it actually is
summer kestrel
jes it is a nice buff for teammates tho
lusty grotto
yeah jes is good
don't destroy it
rezan is also very good offensively
if i were you i'd play around
and look at logs
chrome falcon
if you like thunderclapping just go double active
and you'll have an active for every avatar
swift pier
hey whats better 395 or 385 with socket?
i know u guys said ilvl over stats but what about socket?
cosmic cargo
what item?
cause like legs the 395 for sure, cloak the other way around
(though pure defensive the 10 ilvls might win on any slot)
wary badger
Vial dont matter what upgrade seems better
unless its pvp trinket
then pvp trinket
AP from vial is insane
uneven mason
can confirm, Vial multiplying itself
stable bear
so is the consensus that the 8.1 protection warrior is good feels from a playstyle standpoint? really considering coming down off my brewmaster for the next tier
chrome falcon
prot is good and feels infinitely better with IP off GCD
we still make basically 0 decisions on how to spend our rage but that is hardly unique to us, and was the same in legion
sidenote: jesus christ, i have 2 BoM now and i get 23% mastery when i press avatar
stable bear
this is what i like to hear
how is the management of deafening crash on shout? pretty straightforward?
chrome falcon
it's very easy, just press TC 3 times during each DS to maximise utility
obviously not an issue at all during avatar, if you're outside of avatar you need to prioritise TC but it's not like we have any other important buttons so it's easy
quiet crane
Be your Inner broxigar
inland mesa
my buddy keeps getting
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/8288
anyone deal with this issue?
somber dragon
it has something to do with windows indexing, or a virus scan locking the files for wow i think
inland mesa
if that's the case, how fix?
somber dragon
i don't remember how we did it for my gf
something about checking to make sure indexing ignores that folder
quartz bloom
Hey guys.... just a question for ya. Since we now have the option of Bastion of Might, is that a better trait to use than Deafening crash or brace for impact? What traits should we be using now? Cheers
main vault
Have you read the updated guide
quartz bloom
from where?
inland mesa
steep lily
I could see maybe 1 BoM trait being worthwhile next tier when we get to take 6 total and arent forced a raid trait
ebon lark
Ugh, why did they make my favorite talent the worst in the row (Devastator)
regal kite
Can some1 suggest any weakaura for prot? M+ is my interest
inland mesa
I think it's been talked about that 3 BoM is really good for dps and M+, but raid if you can get 1 DC, 1 BoM, 2 BFI and a blood sport or IF that's ideal
sick sentinel
Now that im doing mythic prog
I can now believe people if they say they get up to 100+ pulls before a kill
Is this the actual Talal?
Wait chat was scrolled up
Was going to make a joke but I was late
@quartz bloom for mplus you want 1 DC and 2 BoM because they both give loads of damage, BoM helps with physical damage mit and DC with all types of damage, both basically getting better for aoe tanking and aoe dps.
Even if BfI is better for ST tanking and ST damage, you should not have a problem with that and just be concerned with "how much bigger can I pull and how they should die faster".
The ideal azerite for mplus should be 1 DC and 2 BoM but if you might do even more with a third BoM.
Brace for impact still has a place, as it is really good, like all protection azerite being really close to each other except Callous reprisal so equip your highest ilvls and care more about the middle and inner traits
Oh somebody answered him already... my discord takes a while to actually load the more recent messages, happened ton#fury as well
inland mesa
You don't like the 3DC 3 BoM approach for M+?
sick sentinel
It would be fun to try but I will personally try to go with 1 DC, 1BfI, 1 barrage of many bombs and 3BoM
It is possible with 3 mythic bosses dead if I recall correctly
But I will have to gamble BoM shoulders
And haste trinket
W/ alchemy trinket
inland mesa
what's barage of many bombs?
sick sentinel
Engineering helmet aoe trait
sick sentinel
Ok I take back everything I said about mythic raiding
It's the most fucking fun I've ever had
Holy shit
Our best pull was 3% for zul, but even then it's so fucking fun
Although fuck that boss fight sometimes, getting rng hexers at the same spot is just the worst
main vault
It really is
inland mesa
you can just have dk grip them to the middle of two spawn points if you want and cc them there, then they won't rng heal
main vault
Its the greatest, but worst thing in the game
astral crystal
welcome home, white man
sick sentinel
It's more that by the time we get a 2nd hexers we are either a) transitioning to last phase, or B) trying to kill crusher before the transition
However we've been cutting down on time spent in phase 1, so it doesn't happen often but when it does fuck it's the worst @inland mesa
limpid pawn
did they fix the spell reflect for mythic vectis - omega vector?
i tried it and got the debuff
inland mesa
you should be working to push Zul before 2nd casters are cast. Don't kill 2nd crusher until after transition as first priority
should basically happen that you're pushing as you have to move 2nd crusher out it casts you move it back in kill it then kill boss
gentle rover
When did they fix it? Wasn’t on hotfix notes, and definitely just did it on Tuesday night.
merry cave
Lol I really don't get why they fix stuff like that two weeks before next raid lol
Guess it's the joys of the spec not being hated on atm
shut summit
worked for me this past tuesday
merry cave
May be a silly question but when did you use SR? Your comment is a bit funny worded
gentle rover
you still get Omega Vector. You have to cast Spell Reflect prior to the debuff expiring, and then you won't get the Lingering Infection stack.
there were a couple spaces there where I still got the debuff despite having it up in time, but you can see that the amount of Omega Vectors I take definitely do not match my stacks of Lingering Infection
worthy dagger
will the kul tiras humans make a good tank?
warm plinth
Any race makes a good tank.
worthy dagger
not really what i asked
warm plinth
Any race includes Kul'tiran Humans.
worthy dagger
ill ask that again tomorrow since youre not really helping at all
warm plinth
I don't understand the question if you don't think that's an acceptable answer.
Since any race makes a good tank, yes, Kul'tiran Humans will be a good tank as well.
worthy dagger
i mean just like BE makes a great tank for horde
main vault
It it won’t matter like it doesn’t for any other race
NE will still be top Ally
But if you have to ask, it doesn’t matter
tight tree
Racials will be adjusted (for new ones) and race really does not matter that much. Race that looks cool for you = better.
tight tree
Panda hav cushion for absorbing DMG 😊
worthy dagger
so KT will be awesome since they have a huge belly
main vault
Just as awesome as Panda and any other race
warm plinth
Well, my body type in my race
tight tree
Homer Simpson for maintank!
warm plinth
Fight me
final mist
Play nice, lads.
tight tree
FAT ORCS WHEN BLIZZARD!?
main vault
Hey we are nice
final mist
Orcs are already fat.
warm plinth
You got a chiropractor for your orcs, what more do you want
tribal anchor
Hey guys, any thoughts on the new alchemie trinket? Or should we go for JC and BS to get max items?
hollow thorn
The best proffesions for gear is Engineering BS and JC
The trinket isnt as good as the items from other proffs
But its nice since u get extra length on flasks
tribal anchor
Guild is providing flask so xD
hollow thorn
Gear wise id say Engi and BS
Ring is nice, but engi gives u a 415 Azerite head with DC early
tribal anchor
But why Eng? The helmet at 3rd boss is decent?
hollow thorn
And BS is 2 items
tribal anchor
Ah the Eng helm has DC?
hollow thorn
Yeah
It has really good traits for all 3 specs
BS just has 2 items, and the belt and legs in BoD has pretty bad stats
tribal anchor
Well nice, I dont like JC Anyhow and I guess Haste/Mas and Haste/Versa ring from BoD is fine eh?
hollow thorn
Yeah
nova needle
What is going to be the better tank next tier, honestly. Warrior or Monk?
hot locust
depends on the fight and the skill level of the player in all honesty.
nova needle
Let's ignore "depends on the fight" and say high skill level.
Let's just assume we're looking for the one best on more of the fights than the other.
hot locust
Really hard to ignore that soooo...
nova needle
I mean.... if Monk is better for 6, and Warrior for 3.
hot locust
The one that's best on the most likely harder fights is warrior
nova needle
Okay, thank you
hot locust
Seeing as Jaina is gonna be a good time for us
but we'll be pretty mediocre on jadefire masters and stormwall blockade most likely.
Whereas monk wont suffer as much in comparisoon.
dense cradle
isn’t stagger naturally going to give the most room for error
idk always felt that way
hot locust
sure it gives room for error, but that doesn't make you the best tank or require the least amount of healing on a given encounter.
dense cradle
fair enough
sick sentinel
The questions to vague anyway, ask 10 people what their metric is for 'best tank' and it changes
Especially during progression
Warrior is looking very good though, high damage, good survivability, low HPS requirement
Requires a modicum of brainpower though
Monk is incredibly easy, not as high damage, but very good at taking smooth damage, can also easily be carried by healers during prog
dense cradle
i know some people who cant stand monk playstyle though
so gotta consider how much you’d be interested in said spec
sick sentinel
It's very boring
but it's still strong and theres value in it being easy to play especially during progression
allows you to focus on other things
but again 'best tank' is very subjective
dense cradle
depending on how much you like/dislike m+ may factor into that
also i guess value if you dont have a dps of said class in raid?
crisp egret
if i like mythic+, warrior would be a good choice? 😃 i hate DKs and Monks 😄
hollow thorn
If you dont like the other 2 good tanks, then yeah go prot war
marble cipher
Tanked mythic uldir for the first time on warrior yesterday, good fun!
I like the resource and cd management in making sure you get SB up when you need it, and not when the boss is about to go for a walk (fetid), or do a cast or something
Much more interesting than just standing there and staggering everything cause you got 100% uptime on mitigation anyway 😄
(yes, I main BrM)
marble cipher
Probably, I mean, don't get me wrong, I like playing my monk and still think it's a fun spec (more in M+ than raids but still).
It's just not really that challenging, you don't often come accross "omg, I don't know how I'll survive this" moments
dense cradle
@marble cipher i doubt anyone finds tanking raid more fun than tankin dungeons
sick sentinel
I like to pretend smashing my ISB button makes me take less damage
dense cradle
or as my friend calls it
sick sentinel
so I press it extra hard for big hits
lavish oracle
@crisp egret Prot is arguably the best mythic+ tank right now when played correctly
dense cradle
angry little man yelling at angry big man for 5 minutes
marble cipher
he's certainly not wrong 😄
majority of time spent in mythic raid tanking is hoping your dps doesn't mess up mechanic X or Y
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense cradle
his other favorite meme is what he calls the prot paladin special
marble cipher
And then there is Zul, with his butt clenching dot 😱
dense cradle
aka legion prot pally lets sotr fall off and get 100-0ed in a white swing
@marble cipher or sometimes on aggramar watching a tank get launched off the platform
marble cipher
Gotta keep it fun 😄
crisp egret
@lavish oracle ty 😉 now i just need to pick a race hehe
lavish oracle
Wait for Zandalari and KT to drop so you can be OP af :D
ionic fern
KT
OP
pick one.
lavish oracle
Wait no, Dark Iron is going to be able to self-cleanse the reaping DoT so maybe that
hollow thorn
@lavish oracle The numbers on PTR wont reach live
lavish oracle
An untalented 3 second stun and a constant 2% of damage taken healed is nothing to sneeze at
Its no regeneratin', sure
still pretty strong, though
warm plinth
Are there more details on Reaping posted somewhere?
hollow thorn
Depends on what details you know
warm plinth
Just that they spawn at every 20% mark and can be cheesed with shadowmeld lol
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, its testable
lavish oracle
Preach has a video on it, theres a write up on /r/competitivewow, too
warm plinth
Thanks man
hollow thorn
Much better than Infested
sick sentinel
dunno, 50% more trash seems weird
but I guess you can mass pull in 10+ dungeons now
lavish oracle
I'm annoyed its affected by fort
hollow thorn
Didnt delay u that much
sick sentinel
well that's awful
hollow thorn
It took 30-45 sec to kill when i tested
sick sentinel
teeming + fort week will be a nightmare
hollow thorn
that adds up to 2-3min at end of dungeon
lavish oracle
Might still be faster than infested, tbh
hollow thorn
assuming u skip last wave
sick sentinel
well that's another thing with the 100% wave
hollow thorn
infested definetly took same if not more than 3 min
sick sentinel
makes rogues even more mandatory
hollow thorn
Or you can invis pot
lavish oracle
Think you could do Freehold without getting more than 1 wave?
hollow thorn
Most dungeons u can just not go 100% even without using shroud
You cant just get 1 wave
The idea currently is to kill bosses b4 getting 100%
so u can skip last reaping wave
lavish oracle
You probably could with 2 rogues and invis pots
sick sentinel
or group of night elves
hollow thorn
They spawn every 20%
lavish oracle
Unless its only the last wave it skips
hollow thorn
Only skips last wave
Cus once u reach 100% after killing all bosses then u completed the key
warm plinth
You could cheese it with shadowmeld, but not invis pots (too long of a CD)
sick sentinel
I read you can drop combat and then 20%wave will go together with 40% wave
hollow thorn
They also have like ~40 yd aggro range
warm plinth
Yeah, any that aren't killed come with the next wave.
hollow thorn
so executing shadowmeld properly isnt easy
if u want to do it, u can skip the ghosts far away but u still have to kill the ones close
hollow thorn
But then u to be 40+ yd away from the souls, without pulling next pack
and that sounds tricky
lavish oracle
100 yard mass res, probably doable in some spots
warm plinth
You could probably just have one person finish off the last mob for the 20/40/60/80% while the rest of the group moves away. They meld, person dies, they rez
tribal anchor
More Mobs, More AoE more ProtWar value?
hollow thorn
Its just gonna be faster to kill the reaping mobs i think
warm plinth
Or depending on how fast the rez happens, just have someone with a movement speed increase that can get away from the spawn fast enough finish the %
hollow thorn
then risking the deathskips and pulling an extra pack etc
The safe play is just killing them, it doesnt take that long
warm plinth
Yeah, it'll be fun to see what people end up doing as the common thing. Honestly though, the reaping trash sounds scary af
The melee ones 😱
hollow thorn
The debuff is basically a 8 sec duration
since healers should use Dispell on CD
The casters dont do much, as they should be stacked
And they only have a 5 sec cast
so its easy to AoE stun or CC them
Or even just kick them if there is a few
lavish oracle
I think dk will come out on top next season. The reaping dot is AMS able, mass grip is super helpful for gathering mobs, and their self heal is great for staing alive through the dot
warm plinth
So does a dispel get rid of all stacks of Reap Soul or just 1?
lavish oracle
Looking forward to crazy high overall damage, though
tight tree
@lavish oracle Unsirprisingly, Blood will remain top m+ tank anyway. Warrior will remain top DPS dealer.
marble cipher
As long as BDK has their utility (and I'm not saying they should take it away from them at all), they'll indeed remain top M+ tank
Other tanks are getting there though
At least on non-MDI levels
hollow thorn
BDK will be best overall tank, but Prot will be better in some dungeons and affixes
cosmic cargo
i disagree BDK is still best for pushing
monk and warr are both generally better imo
MDI is totally different though
BDK will probably reign supreme there
sweet kettle
Prot warrior will be best tank our time has come brothers
ionic fern
I mean..MDI is a joke as it is..the only difference is going to be in healers and ranged DPS'ers..
Tanks BDK
Melee1 = DH
Melee2=Rogue
In around 95% of the teams. 😂
cosmic cargo
though warr might be picked now that i think of it
cause WW is good now
and they have good synergy
sweet kettle
monk healer and prot warrior are so gucci
hollow thorn
MDI is about speed running dungeons
I can see prot being really good
Maybe Rdruid cus of feral affinity
ionic fern
With the amount of casters and all that shi i'd still see BDK on top due to mass grip. 🤷
But jeah, probably see Prot in UR & WM
Mb freehold as well since it's like 80% melee dmg
marble cipher
I'd guess prot/dh/rogue/ww/mw (or r-druid) would be quite a good team for reaping though, heavy aoe focused, and many stuff is not that punishing for melee cleave anymore
ionic fern
Rdruid probably so you have someone dealing with the ranged mechanics..pretty sure MW is considered melee.
marble cipher
true
and yeah, they are
and if you bring WW for the debuff, you don't "need" MW anyway
boomie is still very useful though, or rather, their treants 😉
hollow thorn
rdruid is nice for extra dmg
hollow thorn
well if we are talking MDI they are lol
marble cipher
true true
ionic fern
My resto druid always tells me that if he has time to DPS then i'm not pulling big enough. 😂
But on some dungeons where there's like almost no damage intake like AD last week
He was still doing 7.2k overall
hollow thorn
my rdruid is doing like ~15k dps on big pulls
when he doesnt need to heal
Like i do 40-50k and hes at 15k
so its pretty big
was gonna say that rdruid is gonna be good with reaping cus dmg, but then i realised that Ring and Leg Sweep for MW is so much better lol
marble cipher
Vortex is good too though, but I prefer ring tbf
swift pier
@sick sentinel i think im the actual Talal 😛 thanks for the response
vocal nimbus
It works for the damage done to you if thats what you are asking
wind steppe
yes, I want to know if I should be using Ignore Pain when my Bodyguard target is taking heavy damage and I'm not and I'm trying to mitigate the damage I take at the same time
chilly brook
Wadu hek bodyguard?
vocal nimbus
Well, consider it as if you are taking extra damage and play as usual
You cant do anything special about it
wind steppe
damage is damage?
chilly brook
If you ever need to mitigate damage IP is always the answer to spend your excess rage on
Although considering you’re talking about pvp I think it’s far more of a question of what can your healer handle and ask him or her when they need you to mitigate and what situations they don’t
It’s a far more dynamic game at that point
sick sentinel
Is there a way to track with WA whenever i proc a 30% increase dmg on Shield Slam?... It dosnt give a buff lik Revenge does
dire wyvern
what do you mean?
+30% dmg is when you have shield block active
The shield slam proc is just a cooldown reset
dreamy owl
trim sphinx
civic dagger
Hello all! What is the best racial for prot atm? Horde side 😃
uneven mason
Situationally, all of them
crystal creek
I dont think there is a "best". Belf is useful purging, but I like my phat mag'har waddling around.
uneven mason
generalization, uh, Trolls?
Berserking remains strong
since haste is tippy top for us
Tauren have strong utility (both of them)
Blood Elves are flat out OP in M+
since many nasty buffs are purgable
jagged bay
hi have a nice weekend everyone!
lusty grotto
morning
sand egret
/wave
signal plover
Hell yeah!
We finally got a second G'huun kill last night and got our full M roster CE I'm feeling gr8
I could even stand for some Chef Nim memes
marble cipher
We're going for a third time this sunday, think there's still three people in roster that doen't have it yet....
Kill me now 😦
signal plover
Ayyyy
uneven mason
doing Fetid prog right now..
I know I'm casual
why can't people keep their ebola to themselves
hot locust
whats more fun than having ebola? Sharing it.
sand egret
🤔
sand egret
i'm finally getting a new mouse after 5 years lol.
which is funny because I'm getting the same, 5 year old model
lusty grotto
did someone said Chef Nimchip memes?
i hope its a g502 blade
only mouth worth a damn
sand egret
2014 naga
lusty grotto
sand egret
only mouse i'll play wow with
lusty grotto
EW razer
lusty grotto
ewwwwwwwwww
sand egret
i use it for everything else
lusty grotto
the only thing that razer makes that is decent is their phone
and i say that as a pixel 2 xl user
their keyboards are crap, their headsets are crap, and i'm surprised that naga lasted you so long cause jesus
main vault
I’ll never believe a Razer mouse lasted 5 years
oblique garnet
razer keyboards last pretty long
lusty grotto
razer keyboards have shitty ass switches
main vault
I use a Razer keyboard and Logitech mouse
lusty grotto
corsair k68 or k70 for life
small fable
Logitech Pro G Wireless
main vault
I had a Coarsiar K95, didn’t like the speed switches
lusty grotto
best keyboard ever