protection

[lusty grotto]

this week isn't hard at all, sanguine is just a fucking stupid affix

[main vault]

I use those, they are decent

[modern brook]

and since you have no grip; pre plan your sanguine placement

[main vault]

I have a folder where I have copied, blown up, and rescaled a pic

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I'm too low iq

[main vault]

and open iot depending on dung

[sick sentinel]

So rogue for me

[lusty grotto]

GASP

[modern brook]

Rogue M+ is honestly a blast

[lusty grotto]

not evey furry

gasp

[cobalt trellis]

@modern brook yeah i already loaded some routes for some dungeons... until i realized, we wont have that affix rotation in season 1 anymore POG

[sick sentinel]

I don't want to be fury because #fury is aids

[lavish oracle]

When do you think Blizz will give us a way to reroll keys again

[urban walrus]

Choosing a route with mdt Vs not isn't going to make you time +10s, if you are struggling there you would have better results preserving the dungeon

[sand egret]

Sanguine is basically tanks playing Make Loh Go

[sick sentinel]

Makes me feel bad about being fury

[urban walrus]

Learning*

[lusty grotto]

#furry

[modern brook]

DPS Warrior is proably the most useless class in M+

[lusty grotto]

ftfy

[modern brook]

it provides absolutely nothing that Havoc doesnt

[sand egret]

explosive week would have a word

[lusty grotto]

i hate you meta boys

i just wanted to say that

[sick sentinel]

Yeah that's my I'm rogue

Because dh sucks

[sand egret]

fury rips on explosive

[main vault]

Most useless is a massive overstatement

[modern brook]

DH deffo a virgin class

[main vault]

Since you only compared to it a single spec

[sick sentinel]

What other melee spec is as useless though

[signal plover]

Shadow priest

Cuz if they're meleeing

[sick sentinel]

Shackle undead

[cobalt trellis]

well we have been struggling, until 2-3 weeks ago, it already gotten better... we still do only 1x m+10 (or m+11 now) for the weekly due to RL

[main vault]

:lul:

[lusty grotto]

its because fucking blizzard does nothing for warrior utlity in general

[sand egret]

how can something be "most useless" when "useless" isn't a scale..... 🤔

[signal plover]

Kek 3 dungeons of CC

[main vault]

Now now Blade

Dont be specific or people will get butthurt

[modern brook]

Nexii you watch rick and morty dont you

[main vault]

Never seen an episode

[astral crystal]

lmao

savage bullfango

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[modern brook]

You def come across as a virgin with 3 fedoras, so you know

[lusty grotto]

haha

[main vault]

Thats ok, Id rather come across that way than a dick

[modern brook]

stop being so contradictory while providing absoluetly nothing to the conversation

[lusty grotto]

holy fuck, a whole 3 fedoras

[astral crystal]

[sand egret]

[lusty grotto]

[urban walrus]

[cobalt trellis]

we also dont have a battle rezz in our group, but an engineer, didnt they get some br item? (that can cause death.. or something like that)

[lusty grotto]

is that the alavisto emoji?

[modern brook]

yee engies got a BR

[lusty grotto]

:rules:

[sand egret]

yeah Kubris, there's an item

[modern brook]

honestly BR are a back up and you shouldnt really be needing it on 10s

[sand egret]

it's not 100% reliable tho

[main vault]

Outside of skips and etc

[lusty grotto]

if you seem to be needing BRs oustide of death runs on sub 10s (not that you need death runs in sub 10s)... there's something really wrong

[sick sentinel]

Why would you ever take a DPS warr over another melee spec? Relating to its toolkit only

[sand egret]

explosive week

[sick sentinel]

Surv pumps just as hard @sand egret

[modern brook]

Survival hunter is better at it

[sand egret]

so?

[lusty grotto]

i take them cause i outdps most bads

[sand egret]

just as hard means =

[modern brook]

so same damage

[sick sentinel]

Surv also has freezing trap

[modern brook]

no trap

no bl

[sick sentinel]

And camo

And lust

[modern brook]

ie strictly worse

[lusty grotto]

i don't conform to "the meta"

[sand egret]

but i'm not stacking that all on one person...

that's just silly

[sick sentinel]

Okay but that doesn't mean war DPS is a better class choice

[sand egret]

like if I have a mage + monk suddenly those points are moot

no, but your point is also really skewed

[sick sentinel]

You're ignoring the point entirely

[modern brook]

if you have a mage and a monk you need a rogue :^)

[sick sentinel]

That has nothing to do with its toolkit

[sand egret]

quite the opposite

[urban walrus]

But explosive week!!!!

[lusty grotto]

play prot pre 8.1
mention meta picks post 8.1

[sand egret]

you're ignoring the fact that the party is 5 people

[lusty grotto]

im dissapointed in all of you

[sand egret]

so sure, if you want your one dps to check all the boxes, sure

[sick sentinel]

2 are healer and tank

[cobalt trellis]

does anyone know the "breakpoints" in item level that you need for wq, emissary and assault items scaling higher?

[lusty grotto]

turn in your prot badges, you're all on time out

[trail whale]

🍿

[sand egret]

a healer can CC and bloodlust

[modern brook]

I think the last one is 364

[sick sentinel]

That isn't telling me why I'd ever pick war over other melee

There is no benefit

[modern brook]

Wowhead probably has it somewhere

[lusty grotto]

i dont bring Lust, i have drums 😦

[sick sentinel]

There is no niche that another melee doesn't fill

[main vault]

Id take War over Enh

[sand egret]

If you need that niche.

[modern brook]

The point isnt that warrior DPS is bad at M+

[sand egret]

there is no reason to pick a druid for soothe if there are no enrages

[modern brook]

the point is that warrior dps brings absolutely nothing to M+ that you cant get and more from toher classes

[lusty grotto]

id take war over anything if war is good 😃

[urban walrus]

But tbf comp doesn't really matter until at least like 17s?

[hollow thorn]

Warrior dps is still one of the better melee dps that isnt DH or Rogue

[sand egret]

just like there's no added benefit to pickin surv ovver say a warrior if you have those other parts covered.

[main vault]

Id take a War over SV

And a War over DK prolly

[hollow thorn]

Same

Warriors have the best dmg output in dungeons along with like DHs imo

Does some stupid dmg

[modern brook]

Warrior dps's niche is the flexibility with how it deals its damage; ie: you rarely have to sacrifice ST for AoE etc

[main vault]

Yeah I can work around a little less Utility to make pulls around BS

[hollow thorn]

We have like no utility, but we still got ST stun and aoe fear

[cloud bone]

true but I wish our fear would make them stay in place and not be broken by damage so easily

[hollow thorn]

it stops casts

[sand egret]

the fear is really just an aoe interupt

[modern brook]

which is not a niche that comes up particularly often in M+ scenarios. at least in comparison to the number of times having a trap/repentence/grip/wake of ashes stuns/HoJ/any aoe stun/Tremor totem/lust/5% physical /magic damage ETC comesup

[sand egret]

and less of a CC

[lusty grotto]

our fear also stops infest 😃

[modern brook]

like again its not bad but it brings nothing unique

Like if the first thing your spec is good for is cleaving explosives

[urban walrus]

See we are getting nerfed going into S2 we don't have ghuun fearing

[modern brook]

you're probably not the best spec for the content

[lusty grotto]

fear so good for assassins in ML 😄

[modern brook]

also RE: stormbolt

[lusty grotto]

when your dps casually decides to not interrupt toxic blades

[modern brook]

you have to spec out of 2nd charge

which isnt a huge deal

[lusty grotto]

i mean noxxic blades

[modern brook]

but its technically a damage loss

[cloud bone]

I think you have to stun toxic blade?

[modern brook]

NoXxIc BlAdE fLaTuLeNcE

[lusty grotto]

no

[cloud bone]

there's 2 tho can't remember which is which

[sand egret]

you can int it

[lusty grotto]

you stun the aoe

[modern brook]

u stun the blade storm

kick Toxic

[lusty grotto]

or you can fear it

[urban walrus]

Fbm when you see casts go through with DPS interrupts not on cd

[modern brook]

hard CC in general will work

[cloud bone]

you guys talking about the motherlode one then?

[modern brook]

yee

[sand egret]

yes

[cloud bone]

cus I know there's a similar one in siege

[lusty grotto]

oh

[cloud bone]

that you can't interrupt

[sand egret]

those you have to stun the cast

[modern brook]

the ones at the end of seige need to be purged i tohught?

[lusty grotto]

fences are your friend for Siege

[modern brook]

do they not just recast after the stun?

[lusty grotto]

also SR

[sand egret]

is it purgable?

[modern brook]

IDK

[lusty grotto]

cause SR minimizes its dmg

[modern brook]

I play warrior

[urban walrus]

Didn't think so

[modern brook]

we dont havea purge :^(

[cloud bone]

they recast after stun but it takes a long time before they do

[sand egret]

inb4 BE master race

[main vault]

My War does

[lusty grotto]

no need to purge that, you just play dance-off with the fences

Fence DDR

[cloud bone]

you can also use a healer thing forgot the name of it that gets rid of debuffs

[sand egret]

sanquine week makes the dance off iffy

[modern brook]

detox or whateveR?

[urban walrus]

Melee dps love chasing mobs around fences

[lusty grotto]

melee dps that chase around fences is flat out funny

it's like watching a dog chase its tail

[cloud bone]

I know if you have a druid in the group at all the can use their thing to help with poisons

[sand egret]

one fucker dies on the fence and now you got all your mobs healing for 20% per lap

in SoB it's a stackable poison dot on you that you can dispel, yes.

[modern brook]

i will not miss sanguine + infested tbh

honestly its horse shit

[cloud bone]

dispel that's the word

[sand egret]

I don't believe you can purge the buff the mob ggets which causes auto-attacks to apply it

[lusty grotto]

you forgot the word dispel? 🤔

[cloud bone]

ye

[modern brook]

hes a warrior

we dont have one

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[sand egret]

you have to prevent the application entirely via a stun

[modern brook]

we have 🛡 and 👢

[cloud bone]

I've been playing ff14 a lot it's called esuna there

[lusty grotto]

but how are you supposed to yell at healers then bull

[sand egret]

we found the white mage

[lusty grotto]

"DO YOUR MAGIC REMOVING THINGIE RETARD"

[modern brook]

with my 👄

[cloud bone]

I have every class at 70

but I haven't done a dungeon in a long time

in wow

took a break

when I cared I knew the name of it

[modern brook]

its ok pixel

we're not judging you

[sand egret]

but yes, you can Esuna your tank as a healer if you're a monk/druid/priest/pally

[modern brook]

u cant as a priest actually

[sand egret]

although, not sure about Priests

[modern brook]

their dispel doesnt work on poisons

[sand egret]

just disease and magic?

[modern brook]

because fuck me mostly

IDK

i just know not poisons

i run with a disc/holy very often

[cloud bone]

I thought if you were spec'd healer then your dispel worked on everything that can be dispelled

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure rdruid works on poisons

[sand egret]

magic, yes

RDruid is poison/curse

[modern brook]

druids yeah, preists nope

[lusty grotto]

hpal and mw too

also hpal and mw work on disease

but rdruid doesn't

[cloud bone]

hmm news to me thought the restriction was only for the dps/tank specs that had a dispel

[modern brook]

i think hpal mw and shaman work on all

preist odesnt work on poison

apparently rdruid doesnt work on disease

[sand egret]

so Pixel, healers basically get Magic + X & Y debuff types they can dispel, and it varies per class

[lusty grotto]

i could be wrongf

[sand egret]

shaman is only curse and magic

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah rdruid does curse

[modern brook]

my entire experience healing is a level 69 (swag) holy pally

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure

[modern brook]

I just know sometimes i have a lot of stacks and im sad

and my priest just says "im so sorry..."

[lusty grotto]

listen

i just dispel when i see a different color on my frames

so i could be talking out of my ass

[cloud bone]

That's why I save my fireblood racial for things like that

[lusty grotto]

i mean, nimchipadin does... clearly not the same person

[modern brook]

Ally scum

[sand egret]

priests can offensively dispel as well as shamans, so they have that instead of an addition school they can remove

[cloud bone]

tbh i'd prefer to play horde but my guild is ally

[modern brook]

I'm surprised no ones complained about Kul Tiran humans being skin-toned orcs.

in the vein of every race on alliance being a human

[lusty grotto]

i saw that

i counted 3 edits

[modern brook]

sorry

typing is really hard with my 🛡 👄 and 👢

[lusty grotto]

true

[modern brook]

Im in a shit position tbh

I'm currently 15th prot warrior on my server out of 9

and the 16th hasnt keyed one of his dungeons

:^(

[lusty grotto]

i went down from 6 to 11

last week

[modern brook]

garbo

[lusty grotto]

fucking rerollers pushing last week

like seriously all of them are rerollers

[modern brook]

pmuch yeh

[dire wyvern]

2nd tank on server only behind myself with no KR score 😂

[lusty grotto]

but KR is easy now man

bait that ber bleed on them pets

[modern brook]

this week is aids

for KR

sanguine is just unfun

[dire wyvern]

my dk has 17 KR

[raven trout]

hi im new to tank warri and i would know which traits i need for m+?

[modern brook]

grevious fort is also bullshit

[dire wyvern]

my warrior has none

[lusty grotto]

there's plenty of space in KR to run

[modern brook]

@raven trout i think its covered in more depth in the pin, the TLDR is 1 DC; then go for ilvl favoring BoM and BFI

[lusty grotto]

hi reroller, you should look at the pinned guides

im sorry, i didn't mean that

[modern brook]

yes you did

commit nim

[lusty grotto]

of course i did

[raven trout]

thanks a lot

[lusty grotto]

you're welcome

[modern brook]

he was thanking me 😠

[lusty grotto]

what

oh damn

seriously though, last week had new years and we have a crazy 2nd santa holiday here

so couldnt play for shit

[modern brook]

2 santas?

OH like

2nd christmas

[lusty grotto]

its like a 2nd christmas

[modern brook]

I thought it was

like

nevermind

[lusty grotto]

so naturally rerollers spam keys on that week because it was dirt easy

but i dont 😦

[modern brook]

i think i spammed that week

[lusty grotto]

then i get rag/qd/azralon guys on monday

i spammed the week before that

[modern brook]

wasthat volcanic teeming?

[lusty grotto]

which was the teeming

yeah

wait no

hmm it was fort week

right it was fort and skittish

[modern brook]

fort skittish bolsteR?

[lusty grotto]

last week was volcanic teeming

tyr

yeah i think so

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, last 2 weeks were great for pushing keys

[modern brook]

100%

these 2 weeks suck lol

[lusty grotto]

also all those people that exploited Seth

got like massive rank points

[modern brook]

i cant believe they let those stay tbh

[sick sentinel]

Don't fucking remind of that horse shit

[lavish oracle]

Its w/e, season is about to end anyways

[oblique garnet]

next week is not bad wdym

[lusty grotto]

i cant believe you want to exploit on such an easy fucking week though

[modern brook]

blizz ban policy is so fucking fickle

isnt next week bolster fort?

[oblique garnet]

no

[modern brook]

• something stupid

[lusty grotto]

next week is tyr

[oblique garnet]

tyrannical explosive bolstering

[modern brook]

oh

🤷

[lusty grotto]

ez

[sick sentinel]

Yea

Ok

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[oblique garnet]

not easy

[lusty grotto]

not ez with dumbass dps

[oblique garnet]

but not that hard tbh

[modern brook]

can we hit explosives with stomp if we're targetting them

IDR

[oblique garnet]

i think they changed it

so its possible

[sick sentinel]

At least bolster encourages small pulls already without explosive

[modern brook]

IMO both is week and next week arent HARD affixes they're slow ones

[lusty grotto]

yes

exactly

[modern brook]

ok well next week

this week is just aids

its all 3 of my least favorite affixes

[oblique garnet]

free self healing on next week

[lusty grotto]

sanguine is my least favorite 😦

[modern brook]

I did my 10s and im just leveling the rest of my alts

[oblique garnet]

sanguine makes everything so slow

[modern brook]

Sanguine is unfun; grevious is dumb; fort is fucking annoying

[oblique garnet]

i like fortified

the boss fights dont last a fucking eternity

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[modern brook]

sanguine infested makes me long for the embrace of Death

Knight

[oblique garnet]

4 minutes on yazma feels bad man

[modern brook]

HAHA grip jokes

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto you know. CAuse you can grip things out of sanguine. Which warrior cant do. Because its a bad class that needs more buffs?

[sick sentinel]

God I still need +15 shrine, this shit sucks

[modern brook]

for the feat?

[sick sentinel]

Yup

[modern brook]

i gave up on that

[lusty grotto]

lol bull

[modern brook]

I started progressing to late

and half my group left

I've been pugging most of my keys lol

[sick sentinel]

It's the last one I need

[lusty grotto]

yall need super awesome warriors on alts

[sick sentinel]

I had to watch a video to see what to do as protocol with sang in shrine

Specifically Senses +13

[modern brook]

lol

Does sense have a youtube

or just Twitch vods/

[lavish oracle]

Next week is gonna be awful for pushing keys

[sick sentinel]

He has both

Eh

[modern brook]

dope i didnt know he had a youtube

My plan for next week is to take cooldown unreliant specs with good st; pull small and fast

[sick sentinel]

ML tends to be easier on tryna weeks since the bosses are push overs

[modern brook]

ML on tyra is dope cause u can Spell reflect on CD for the last 2 bosses and get v a l u e

[lavish oracle]

Take Surv Hunters, their grenades cleave explosives

[modern brook]

also you can spell reflect energy lash; and thats broken

[sick sentinel]

And eles chain does as well

[modern brook]

fuck that

no ones touching explosives but me

tank + 4 dps

lets go

[lavish oracle]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

Also palys shield throw also works

[modern brook]

i think all chain lightning esque abiltiies work

IDK about more traditional AoES like stomp though

[sick sentinel]

I believe they dont

[modern brook]

I hope they do

[sand egret]

targeted aoes should, not localized

[modern brook]

2 devastate is devastating

[sand egret]

since they're technically not "aoe"s in the same sense as chaining a single target ability

Shield, Glaive Throw, CL, etc.

[modern brook]

what abut trick shots

nvm thats a hunter discord question

[sand egret]

honestly, i'd expect it to ya

[modern brook]

Same

not that it matters

MM died with legion

[sand egret]

follows the same logic

[uneven mason]

can't wait, tonight I'ma chain safeguard the prot paladin co tank on Fetid

just cause i can

[crystal creek]

oooh Reaping is going be amazing for prot.

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[modern brook]

has it been finalized yet?

[sand egret]

it's ptr so technically no

[cosmic cargo]

mostly

[sand egret]

but you can assume it's pretty close, yeah

[modern brook]

last i had heard it was still pretty vague with what it meant by souls come back every 20%

but that was like october

[cosmic cargo]

it's pretty clear now since it's being tested

[crystal creek]

https://youtu.be/lJC5KjmsSfI

[cosmic cargo]

3 different mob types

eww preach

[sand egret]

get that outta here

[sick sentinel]

Ew leech

[crystal creek]

I know I know.

[sand egret]

not gonna lie, dude legit triggers me haha

[sick sentinel]

Preach is reddit's bodypillow

[cosmic cargo]

he has some decent vids

but i cannot stand him

[sand egret]

as a dev myself his clickbait drives me insane

[crystal creek]

basically for every 20% of dungeon trash you kill, you get a ghost to spawn at the 20% marks and they all come at you at once.

[sand egret]

they don't aggro shit

so thank god for that

[crystal creek]

so much tclap.

[sand egret]

and potential SR on Gaze Bolt

(unconfirmed as far as I know)

[cosmic cargo]

the problem is the casters

and the mini-bosses

[crystal creek]

hm ya could be some awkward timing.

[cosmic cargo]

and in KR for example you'll get a lot of mini-bosses

[sand egret]

unless you can reflect a 25% hp chunking nuke 😃

[crystal creek]

KR mini bosses

[sand egret]

sync casts, SR

profit 😃

[modern brook]

oh no

[cosmic cargo]

do they cast on main target or?

[modern brook]

prot best spec :^(

[cosmic cargo]

also bring back mass spell reflect

[sand egret]

not sure, but you could force it via LoS if need be

[modern brook]

man this is a 15 minute video

and he doesnt even cover reaping the whole time

[cosmic cargo]

what did you expect?

it's preach

[modern brook]

wtf is a preach

[cosmic cargo]

this guy

he always talks useless shit for half the video before saying anything worthwhile

[modern brook]

I'ma just wing it

fuck preparation

#protection said we're good for it

[crystal creek]

What else do you need.

Nothin'.

[modern brook]

all the prep I need tbh

[keen spire]

Holla Ballas

[sand egret]

what you don't need any more "PROT OP WITH NEW REAPING?! CRAZY NEW CHANGES, WHAT IS BLIZ DOING?!" info?

then listen to a 10 minute preamble on like, the Scrapper

[sick sentinel]

I'm gonna make wow videos

I have my ideas for them

[sand egret]

to get to, "prot does damage and dead mobs dont hurt"

[sick sentinel]

For bad players

I'll have playlists where I explain mechanics 1 by 1

[sand egret]

I was actually going to do a series called "Puggers Guide to the Galaxy" with my anecdotes of being a pure pugger in the M+ world

[crystal creek]

Oh that's good.

[vast anvil]

thats good

every video just show the shitshow of pugging

[crystal creek]

full of great wipes, namecalling, and ragequits.

[vast anvil]

:)

[sand egret]

well, my pugs aren't actually like that

[vast anvil]

Like

[sand egret]

hence the video 😃

[crystal creek]

Oh, I think it'd be funny with the blooper reels.

[sand egret]

oh..there will be bloopers

but more in the Goofus and Gallant style

annnd I may have dated myself...

[crystal creek]

Never heard of them. Is that like Ren and Stimpy?

[sand egret]

it was thing back in this magazine back in the day, Highlights For Kids, that basically did a thing where it taught kids to do and not to do. Gallant did the "right" thing, Goofus did not

[crystal creek]

Sounds very school house rock.

[sand egret]

right around that time, yeah

it was in every doctor's office haha

[main vault]

I miss them

I had a sub

[sand egret]

i destroyed on the hidden pictures and "what's different" parts

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel if bad players a) looked up videos on mechanics and b) were able to parse them

they wouldnt be bad players

[oblique garnet]

Most of the reaping stuff is dodgeable

And the dot can be dispelled

So its definitely better than infested

[sick sentinel]

But is it hugs for Jesus tho?

[ruby berry]

100% reaping = hugs for Jesus

[crystal creek]

long as the ghosts can't necrotic. 😄

[small tendon]

Explosive with ghosts ? 😃

[crystal creek]

haha, that'd be a lot of bombs.

[small tendon]

A lot of fun

[ruby berry]

like the end of Underrot on volcanic

[oblique garnet]

They dont leave sanguine

Or get affected by it

But necrotic maybe

[crystal creek]

I wouldn't think so, the stacks would ramp up pretty quickly.

[uneven mason]

Because thats stopped them giving us mobs like.....underrott ticks?

and maggots in WM

WM Maggot hallway - the pull that never ends

[crystal creek]

Well... they're ghosts?

[uneven mason]

I guess

[crystal creek]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

piss off ghosts!

[uneven mason]

"GET HER RAY!"

[sand egret]

they're probably in the same pool as the snek room

[lusty grotto]

i was quoting thor ragnarok, but ghostbusters will do

[uneven mason]

Ghostbusters is the better film

I Mean THor has all special effects

[crystal creek]

True story.

[lusty grotto]

wtf

[uneven mason]

But Ghostbusters is the best film from the 1980s, which makes it the best film of all time.

Its also the first film I saw in the theater.

I might be biased

[lusty grotto]

how dare you disrespect Taija Waititi

i also grew up on ghostbusters

but thor ragnarok is good

[uneven mason]

I Find it funny that he didn't consult on that film with the Avengers directors/writers

[crystal creek]

You're not, it's good.

[uneven mason]

he was just like "fuckit, Thor needs a sense of humor"

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure he did though

[uneven mason]

"If he had been living Freddie Mercury would have been asked to write the score to this film"

I mean

Ragnarok has my thumbs up

but Ghostbusters

cannot be beat

however

[lusty grotto]

yeah yeah its a classic

[uneven mason]

whos looking forward to 👢 🍵 👏 on some ghosts

[steady slate]

my fav line from there, and there were many great lines: Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist, Dr. Venkman!

[uneven mason]

cause I know I'm going to be rolling CT from the 22nd until season 3

[steady slate]

crashing thunder?

[uneven mason]

dat increased range

gotta get all the bootyclaps

[lusty grotto]

ye

[sick sentinel]

I've never seen ghostbusters

So like

I like ragnarok

Best part of Thor Ragnarok is Korg

[uneven mason]

which is played by the director

[sick sentinel]

Ya

[lusty grotto]

you should see ghostbusters

im sure its on netflix

but yes that was my "piss off ghosts" thingie

[sick sentinel]

I don't really wanna see it

[lusty grotto]

you should

i'm sorry, you will have to turn in your warrior badge until you see it

[sick sentinel]

Ok

[modern brook]

👀

[uneven mason]

He's fury anyway

I'm sure he'd rather be a WW monk or Frost

[lusty grotto]

😦

[sick sentinel]

I'm a she

And I'd rather be sin rogue

[uneven mason]

girls don't play warriors

they play dhs

[sick sentinel]

ok

[astral crystal]

not calling weep an it

[sand egret]

you've NEVER seen Ghostbustesr?1

[sick sentinel]

No

[uneven mason]

I have Ghostbusters in 5 formats Beta, VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, and UHD 4k!

[lusty grotto]

what bout hd-dvd and betamax

[uneven mason]

Not going to promise the Beta or VHS still plays

[sand egret]

definitely check out at least the original. Some classic Murray and Aykroyd in there

[lusty grotto]

and laserdisc

[uneven mason]

beta was literally the first thing I said

[lusty grotto]

damn it

[sand egret]

I had it on laser disc

[lusty grotto]

i missed that

[uneven mason]

I never got a laser disc because I didn't see the point in paying 75$ per movie for shit I still had on VHS

[sand egret]

the best was Return of the Jedi on laser disc because the "flip" part happened RIGHT as the dude is flying through the trench hahaha

[uneven mason]

never got a player that is

my sister did

was because she wanted to watch anime, and back then you couldn't get most titles in the US

[sand egret]

yeeep

[uneven mason]

had to order them import and LaserDisc players had no regional locks

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest

i only had VHS

and then dvd and bluray

because i dont buy Shit-Box, and i'm a PS fanboy (in HD-DVDs case)

my friend growing up had laser discs though

[modern brook]

laser disc sounds like a TRON weapon

[lusty grotto]

lol

indeed

[uneven mason]

I saw who the backers were of HD DVD and Blu-ray and immediately knew HD-DVD was a dead horse

Toshiba vs Sony

LET ME THINK

at the time Sony made an insane amount of the filming equipment in holywood and owned their own film publishing studio- wonder who's got the bigger stick in that fight.

Anywho, who's looking forward to a shield that isn't cockblocked by half of a raid instance

with haste to boot

[steep lily]

Yeee

Finally got a 385 shield last night off of ghuun, was running 370 all tier, had some terrible luck

[old parcel]

Congrats on your shield:)

[sick sentinel]

@sand egret I don't wanna

[small fable]

Why is there no SimC for Prot

ELI5

[main vault]

It hasnt been updated

[lusty grotto]

because tanks are difficult to simulate

if not outright impossible

[small fable]

Yet all other tank specs have DPS sims 🤔

[plain ice]

eli5 = there are new azerite traits (deafening crash) and talents (bolster) that haven't been actually coded yet. the APL (action priority list) is easy to create and is not the problem, it's the actually coding of traits/talents/abilities and changes made in BFA that needs to be done. even when/if this is completed, we still will ONLY be able to sim for dps. i was working on it a while back as my own side project, but actual work got in the way.

[lusty grotto]

they do?

where have you seen these sims?

@small fable ?

[small fable]

Bloodmallet

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah?

[plain ice]

@small fable read my eli5 explanation

[small fable]

Yes thanks Crumgee

That’s what I was looking for

[lusty grotto]

simming for traits and trinkets /sigh

[daring marlin]

Nimblechip

[lusty grotto]

rerollers man

[marble cipher]

@lusty grotto BrM got a working sim (for dps), don't know about the rest of the tanks though

[lusty grotto]

just look at what Crumgee said

[daring marlin]

tank sims lol

good memes

[marble cipher]

I know what he said, I read it, and he's right too. Just wanted to say the BrM one works 😜

[cosmic cargo]

all other tanks have working sims

[lusty grotto]

listen

[swift pier]

is the stat priority the same for wanted to do more dmg and less mitigation?

[lusty grotto]

guy didn't say he was looking for dps sims

i should have assumed as much

[cosmic cargo]

i didn't read much tbh 😛

[lusty grotto]

because rerollers do that

[cosmic cargo]

i'd always assume dps sims

because yeah

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > all @swift pier

[marble cipher]

simming for defense is just stupid 😄

[lusty grotto]

for both situations

[swift pier]

ty

[marble cipher]

or, rephrased, way to hard to code

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

we're not in disagreement

[marble cipher]

😄

[cosmic cargo]

for dps it can make sense

[marble cipher]

btw, non-sim question, can void lash be reflected, or rather, does the 20% magic dr work on it, and should I use it?

[cosmic cargo]

ilvl won't always be king on the case of rings

or when you throw in sockets

20% magic dr works on all magic damage so yeah

[marble cipher]

k, so I assume the combo's are taken with SR + SB (for shatter)

[modern brook]

if you're asking if you should choose to take 20% less damage then I must say yes

[marble cipher]

Would SR be up for both lashes, think they're too far apart right, and if so, I reckon I'd have to SR the last one?

[modern brook]

I would SR the last one if you're tanking the full combo

if you swap on shatter like a bitch, obv sr the first

[marble cipher]

full combo or bust!

[lusty grotto]

bull approves

[modern brook]

I dont raid though

take other ppls advice over mine

[lusty grotto]

full combo or bust

[uneven mason]

@marble cipher your rotation for Zek is - Last stand (gives you block for the entire duration + 30% health, frees up all rage for use in IP) First lash - SR + DS + IP, Shatter - IP, 2nd Lash Avatar (for rage) IP+IP

can save avatar for DPS

[modern brook]

IP is immune to LAshes reduced healing?

[uneven mason]

yeah

it doesn't impact absorbs iirc

[modern brook]

Hmm

[uneven mason]

its how you walk out of a mythic zek cycle

at > 90% health

[marble cipher]

@uneven mason will that combo be up for each "combo"?

[uneven mason]

yes

[modern brook]

i just dont get why Ip is so inconsistent with what healer mechanics it interacts with

[marble cipher]

k

[uneven mason]

SR is 25s CD, last stand in theory should be up every minute

[marble cipher]

if it's not up, SB can manage the shatter I guess, just have to live with the lack of HP increase of LS

[modern brook]

Rallying cry :^)

[marble cipher]

I keep forgetting I have that apart from crossing MOTHER barrier 😄

[lusty grotto]

if LS isn't up, you aren't managing rage well IMO

[modern brook]

honestly probably a wasted global in this situation

but yeah nims got the idea

[marble cipher]

Probably, but, it's highly likely that I'm not managing rage well enough yet 😉

[modern brook]

time between smashes is pretty high

[lusty grotto]

the only thing you have to do is gain rage and spending it before capping to make sure LS comes back up within the timeframe

[modern brook]

its a lot easier now that we can dump off the GCD with relatively low opprotunity cost

Rage management is entirely not hitting 100

[lusty grotto]

right

[marble cipher]

thanks guys, gonna have some Mythic fun tonight on a reclear, hence the questions 😉

[modern brook]

and remembering that avatar and DS generate rage

[lusty grotto]

but also gaining it by pressing SS and DS

[modern brook]

so like make sure youre below (60??) when you're about to DS

idr how much DS gives with talent lol

[marble cipher]

DS = 40 indeed

AV = 20

[modern brook]

then you want to burn to 60/80 respectively max before you use them

and even then probably a bit lower toa ccount from passive rage gain

generally into IP's or shield blocks

I do mostly m+ and will try and stablize my rage aroun 70

during trash

secondary to you know not dying

[uneven mason]

@marble cipher if you find yourself without that combo I mentioned above, remember Rally cry + SW will take the whole duration, #1 important is just SR the first lash and that you block the shatter, not blocking a shatter is almost an assured 1 shot

and yeah RC + SW is my oshit button

[modern brook]

my favorite thing in existence is still when a prot warrior is caught off guard from something

cause the next ~5 seconds its just

"AHHHHHHH >:^("

[lusty grotto]

lol

[modern brook]

as you yell for 3 different gcd

[lusty grotto]

just yell at your friendly monk for a coccoon

or shitskin

or whatever external

[modern brook]

I get wings

its cool

[marble cipher]

@uneven mason kk, thanks, I'll make sure I don't get gibbed 😉

[modern brook]

IDK what wings actually do

but they make me look fly as hell so

[lusty grotto]

its supposed to heal you when you "die"

[daring marlin]

40% bonus healing too

[lusty grotto]

also increases healing?

[marble cipher]

it's a cheat death that gives you 40% back, or little less, don't know the exact number

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[daring marlin]

we’re the best t taking zek combo

[marble cipher]

our BDK usually needs all externals, don't ask me why, but he does 😄

[daring marlin]

NOT EVEN CLOSE BABY

[lusty grotto]

because BDKs cant take combo now

[marble cipher]

Whenever I tank zek on monk, I just have to use my own stuff

[modern brook]

cause he cant heal lol

[daring marlin]

I mean

If he’s not shit he can

AMS first lash

[modern brook]

oh yeah AMS blocks an application

totally forgot

[trail whale]

what do you mean bdks can't take combo now...

[modern brook]

BDK still broke

[daring marlin]

ignores debuff completely

[trail whale]

they easily can still

[marble cipher]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modern brook]

jeez they can take a whole combo AND have grip

bdk are nutz

[lusty grotto]

because most BDKs suck dick

and are fotm rerollers

which are probably here now

[modern brook]

thats gunna be prot in a few weeks

yeh

:^(

[lusty grotto]

you mean that IS prot now

[trail whale]

so your statement should be "shitters can't take full combo"

[modern brook]

still a lot of prot hate on my server tbh

[lusty grotto]

good

let the hate flow through you

[modern brook]

I dont mind it

[marble cipher]

I'm sorry, I admit, I didn't play prot in BfA till 8.1
Did play it up until Legion, but, that doesn't count I guess 😉

[modern brook]

def doesnt

you abandoned your post in the twilight hour

[lusty grotto]

nope, youre fired

[marble cipher]

darn

[daring marlin]

prot 5ever

[marble cipher]

back to stagger then...

[modern brook]

yikes wait

[lusty grotto]

prot since vanilla baybeee

[trail whale]

stacking sunders please hold

[lusty grotto]

#neverfurry

[marble cipher]

was resto/elemental shaman in vanilla + bc 🤣

[lusty grotto]

#neverguilfart

[sand egret]

sunders? LOL if you were pushing it you made one rogue recruit drop a 5 stack expose

[daring marlin]

here comes traitorsong

[lusty grotto]

whoa!

[daring marlin]

shakes fist

[lusty grotto]

LOL

what did blade do

[modern brook]

he plays alliance

[lusty grotto]

are you horde now blade?

[daring marlin]

filthy horde savage

[sand egret]

yuppp

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[sand egret]

yeah....

[lusty grotto]

poor guilfart

[modern brook]

oh blade song is a real character now

nvm

[lusty grotto]

guilfart is the last bastion of alliance in this channel

[sand egret]

both my war and ber are now hordies

[modern brook]

War race?

[sand egret]

and I miss my racial powers every day

[lusty grotto]

well the good news is you can run with nimchipadin now!

[sand egret]

i'm an orc cuz everything else looks horrible to me

[lusty grotto]

since yamo is pregnant

[sand egret]

well that yogurt coffee will do that to ya

[lusty grotto]

true

[modern brook]

the mere mention of it triggers me

[lusty grotto]

LOL

i gotta be honest

i'm gonna try it one day

[modern brook]

I mean

I am too

[daring marlin]

You’ll miss it more with Reaping.

[uneven mason]

literal what

[daring marlin]

magic debuff stacks baby

[modern brook]

that doesnt make me less mad about hearing it

[uneven mason]

Yogurt coffee?

[sand egret]

but yeah, it play with some coworkers and my alliance buddy who is my RL friend stopped playing (plus I get free server transfers so 😃 )

[lusty grotto]

what if you like it

"GODDAMN THIS YAMO"

[uneven mason]

also, I might have to race change to fatboy

warrior with knockback

[lusty grotto]

wait

[uneven mason]

bb

[lusty grotto]

mac is alliance?

[sand egret]

yeah he's a DID

[lusty grotto]

hmmmm

[modern brook]

Honestly

[uneven mason]

This Xpac

[lusty grotto]

shit so theres two of you

[daring marlin]

free server transfers huh

[modern brook]

Haymaker should've been a warriro talent

[sand egret]

like a real war

[marble cipher]

@uneven mason last question (for now) demo shout on cd when tanking, or keep it for certain boss abilities (like zek'voz)

[modern brook]

pretty mad its a racial

[lusty grotto]

wait how did i not know you were alliance mac

[daring marlin]

who’d you slip a 20?

[modern brook]

on CD shin

[sand egret]

i mean it's not like I pay for a sub either 😃

[daring marlin]

I figured as much.

[uneven mason]

@marble cipher it should be used on CD more or less, but for something with a tank buster like Zek, sit on it to make sure its up (its got arond a 24s CD with AM, so just keep that in mind 30s till combo - sit on DS)

[sand egret]

although technically it runs out in 2026

[lusty grotto]

hmmm... what are you selling though

[daring marlin]

Explains everything. >:)

everything

[marble cipher]

kk!

[sand egret]

helps to know people 😃

[lusty grotto]

grrr

[daring marlin]

It’s ok blade

I still love you

[lusty grotto]

all our secrets, exposed!

[uneven mason]

But yeah, wife wanted to go alliance, digging the Death Metal Dwarves

[lusty grotto]

no more 50%party memes

[sand egret]

and as a true Prot warrior, I shall ignore that love 😃

[modern brook]

Ignore Love

[uneven mason]

love is pain

[daring marlin]

I have a horde warrior too

[uneven mason]

ignore pain

[modern brook]

💌 🙅

[daring marlin]

Just not bothering til season 2

[lusty grotto]

lol

[daring marlin]

what’s the point lol

[uneven mason]

my current DID main warrior is my original Orc main warrior I rolled in vanilla

does that make you feel better?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sand egret]

can the emo elves be warriors? cuz they should totally have IP be renamed Ignore Love

[uneven mason]

I have 8 other Orc warriors

[lusty grotto]

its a DID, but with Orc filling

[uneven mason]

of varying levels

[daring marlin]

I was a void elf warrior

[uneven mason]

does that make you feel better?

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck guilfart

[daring marlin]

DiD now

Been DiD for a while.

[lusty grotto]

be honest

[sand egret]

ok enough of this spicey boy talk, i'm just getting sad

[lusty grotto]

were you void elf for orb running

[daring marlin]

Gonna be nice for reaping

[lusty grotto]

not that we needed it

[daring marlin]

naw

[modern brook]

@sand egret what race are you now

[sand egret]

SMORC

[lusty grotto]

you just liked the emo elf look?

[daring marlin]

Fireblood for reaping baby

I like elves

[modern brook]

Green Guy or Red roobs

[daring marlin]

bull

[sand egret]

Green, didn't have Mag unlocked

[daring marlin]

I can’t take you seriously my dude

[sand egret]

(since my warrior was the one with the rep)

[daring marlin]

Filthy rogue!

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be fair, i like the /silly and /flirt emotes on void elves

they totally acknowledge they are emo elves

[sand egret]

not enough beard

[modern brook]

IDT i said anything serious in the last hour or so guilford

[sand egret]

there is like no beard representation on the horde

[modern brook]

nope i did

[sand egret]

its awful

[modern brook]

Haymaker definitely should've been a warrior talent

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean, tauren have beards

wait

now i'm not sure

[modern brook]

tauren ARE beards

[lusty grotto]

hmm...

[daring marlin]

Need tauren rogues

Their hooves will clop in the night

[lusty grotto]

tauren rogues were a thing in beta

or so im told because i never played beta

[daring marlin]

I should level my be pally

and make him a zandalari

but fuck man I hate leveling

[lusty grotto]

i mean that regen is strong as hell

[modern brook]

I really dont like zandalari in plate

[daring marlin]

gonna get nered

[modern brook]

at least from what ive seen on the dressing room

[daring marlin]

nerfed*

[lusty grotto]

yeah for sure

[modern brook]

havent seen it on PTR

[daring marlin]

I’ve alwys wanted zandalari since ToT

[hollow thorn]

None of the numbers on Zandalari racials will be the same once it reaches live

[daring marlin]

epic

[hollow thorn]

they are all placeholders

[lusty grotto]

yeah we also read the blue post

[somber dragon]

orc filling made me think about rule 34

[modern brook]

still Regen needs to be nerfed REALLY hard to be on not stupid broken, and to near uselessness to be on par with other racials

[lusty grotto]

lol

[hollow thorn]

Racials will between 1% of each other on dps, and the healing will be nerfed. Play Zandalari cus its badass not cus its got "busted" racials

They said it was supposed to break on dmg

[lusty grotto]

i dont think i want to see a DID with "orc filling"

[hollow thorn]

I can see it healing maybe 10% per sec for 4 sec

[modern brook]

oh no

[hollow thorn]

but not anything else

more*

[modern brook]

still really good tbh

[hollow thorn]

Yeah

But if it breaks on dmg, then idk how that works

[modern brook]

Divine Shield*

[lusty grotto]

shrug i mean

[hollow thorn]

does it have to be direct or a DoT

but i dont really care

it will be balanced with other racials once its out

and my war will stay BE for M+

Ill probs race change my durid tho

[lusty grotto]

im honestly not sure if i want to swap my druid

id rather not spend more money on this game

[modern brook]

^

I think regular troll wins in default shapeshift forms

[hollow thorn]

Just spend gold

[modern brook]

but Zandalari has a cool cat and normal form

[hollow thorn]

Druid forms look awesome

[lusty grotto]

most likely will just level another or whatever

[hollow thorn]

Boomie form is really nice aswell

[modern brook]

not a huge fan of turtle or flying form on zandalari

[hollow thorn]

Then bear form wil be mage tower

[lusty grotto]

obviously

[modern brook]

have you ever tried doing like

anything in Magetower bear form

that skin doesnt work

[uneven mason]

its ass

has no dance

[hollow thorn]

i never play bear lol

[modern brook]

The best is go mine something w/o enchantment buff

[hollow thorn]

probalby wont for a while

[modern brook]

it literally freezes midanimation

the skins just broked

[sand egret]

i use that skin all the time

[uneven mason]

as a rug

[modern brook]

yikes

[sand egret]

the blending is rough but the anims work fine for me.

[modern brook]

swolebears are endangered mac, you cant just hunt them

[uneven mason]

with how easy that tower was to do

they're not endagered

compared to guardians as a whole

[lusty grotto]

they are just hibernating

[modern brook]

yeah ok thats fair

[sand egret]

should have had a special skin for suckers like me who had to do it with no legendaries

[modern brook]

i was commenting on guardians not playing the game

[sand egret]

these fucks with their luffas and pants

[lusty grotto]

bro

[sand egret]

just out ranging phase 1

[lusty grotto]

it was easy without luffa lol

[uneven mason]

"LOL THRASH BRACERS, LOL Balance affinity, LOL 18yard range on thrash" - Bear mage tower phase 1 Thrash thrash thrash thrash lololmoonfiremoonfirethrash

[hollow thorn]

i did it at like 930 lol

[modern brook]

lol

the only mage tower i earned was vengeance

[lusty grotto]

moonfireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[uneven mason]

phase 2 was literally walk in a circle spamming moonfire and FR when he hit you

[daring marlin]

I did my bear one at 900 I think with poopoo leggos

helmet lol

shit was ass

[lusty grotto]

i cant remember but i had more than my war

[sand egret]

I think i was 878 or something?

[uneven mason]

I did war at 912

[lusty grotto]

wait i did war on 3rd week of it coming live at 890

[modern brook]

Did vengeance at like ~890 pre Soul bomb cheese

[uneven mason]

only took like 26 pulls

no bracers tho

[sand egret]

or maybe that was my DH

[lusty grotto]

eh? what was the soulbomb cheese

[daring marlin]

Pally was the easiest

[uneven mason]

sephuz and stride

[modern brook]

they buffed soulbomb

[sand egret]

it just did a fuckload of damage

[lusty grotto]

oh

[daring marlin]

not even close either

[modern brook]

so it was like ~2million or something every 3 globals

[lusty grotto]

ok i def did it post-soulbomb cheese

[daring marlin]

I did all the tanks but DH

boring class

[lusty grotto]

i still wear the mage tower appearances on all my chars

[modern brook]

100%

[lusty grotto]

i did all tanks and their offspecs 😄

[modern brook]

Vengeance is a bad spec

[sand egret]

swolebear is the only skin ill wear

esp the rbg one

blood sweat and tears pugging that shit

[modern brook]

I def did RBG skin as an afk boomkin in yolo games

[sand egret]

i just want them to bring back the bugged pulverize animation

honestly the best bug-should-be-feature i've seen in a bit

[cobalt token]

does Avatar cd reset when you start a key?

[uneven mason]

uh

[mint adder]

Are they buffing vanguard again in 8.1.5?

[uneven mason]

No

not that I'm aware of

[lusty grotto]

i actually don't know about avatar

[uneven mason]

I don't think they can push it much higher.

[lusty grotto]

but not that we need it... AM is a talent, read what it does

[brisk rain]

yo, what are the best traits for m+ atm?

[lusty grotto]

and why would we need another vanguard buff?