It would be kinda cool if you could pick what secondaries it had. Or at least reforge (/gasp) them into other secondaries.
#protection
warm plinth
somber dragon
i liked the way artifacts worked, i'm not unhappy with azerite, i'm hoping they showcase more of the potential it offers.
sand egret
or being ignorant to an opposining opinion
supple path
The neck is the mobile game of gearing. It's all about constant micro upgrades in a dozen different ways.
sand egret
but yeah let's keep it up
sand egret
Artifacts in the early months of legion were great
warm plinth
We're just paying $15 a month for all of the azerite microtransactions 😂
daring marlin
LOL
sand egret
then it got better with the 2.0 traits
warm plinth
Yeah, but then they introduced the new ring. And I'm sure had Legion continued, we would have gotten another new ring.
sand egret
then woof x2
cold flame
is there a weakaura to show uptime (in like a bar or something) for all of the warrior stuff like shield block / demo roar / enrage / sweeping strikes / recklessness?
sand egret
all warrior stuff? Idk check the resources channel
warm plinth
I'm fine with some stagnation to hold us over until new content. But azerite traits feel meaningless, especially compared to artifact traits.
warm plinth
At their core, they're just blah
sand egret
at their core, they should of let us swim in it
stone crag
sand egret
which is my biggest gripe with it
warm plinth
What do you mean?
sand egret
as well as the last node
supple path
I honestly think the neck is basically the centerpiece of their whole "you better keep playing to get your +more gooders" with emissaries, island expo, WQ, etc. So much content is just designed to serve the all mighty neck.
warm plinth
Hey, making the last node a 5 ilevel increase is what I live for. I definitely feel incentive to farm just to get that one.
sand egret
yeah, that shit is where I'm like woof...
supple path
But it's SUCH a boring mechanic.
daring marlin
I want to have a fuckload of asserite pieces.
sand egret
yep, my issues is that I have all these combos I want to try but can't
daring marlin
that’s my main issue with it, yes
upbeat ivy
any tanks here that i could PM for a minute or so in regards of mythrax mythic?
Id really appreciate the help or time if you can spare.
daring marlin
filthy warlock
somber dragon
yes... i can totally bitch about the bullshit the reforging cost is
sand egret
I actually love the idea of messing around with shit like that but being subject to such a limited drop undercuts that whole sentiment. Thus it feels like a more absolute system
warm plinth
Sounds like what you need is a private server better system.
supple path
it'd be cool if the content I did dropped more than one azerite item per week
at most
sand egret
they needed residuum at the start and to drop an azerite piece (that you can break down) into the cache in addition to it
supple path
Crazy that they itemized dungeons with azerite items then decided m+ shouldn't drop them
sand egret
also, I agree that the "re-unlocking" traits is prertty dumb
supple path
so now we get residuum too late to buy anything with it this content patch yeah
sand egret
if anything they should be tiers of a trait in their respective ilvls
that do more than just scale the numbers
if they want to maintain the same traits
warm plinth
My favorite part of azerite gear is when you get the same exact piece of azerite gear from 4 different sources on the same day 🙃
sick sentinel
Removing tier sets came at a time where I hated them, because the best parching encha shaman was running 2/2/2
sand egret
diminishes the "drop 30 ilvls for DC"
warm plinth
Yeah lol. They literally had sets so powerful that you couldn't disable the previous tier without rebalancing the entire spec.
supple path
Yeah if higher ilvl just expanded traits somehow instead of re-unlocking the same ones it'd be a big help on the 'feel' of progression with it.
sand egret
cuz you cant really "lock" sets per teir, since at the start you'd be gutting EVERYONE with tier
which obvi wont go over well...
warm plinth
Yeah I don't pretend to know the answer. I just wish there were a better way.
daring marlin
in legion
sick sentinel
Imagine if every outer ring trait was something like dc
sand egret
that's usually what they do
sand egret
make it not worth it
daring marlin
rofl
warm plinth
I mean, the easiest thing to do I guess would be like hey, this old set gives x% DPS increase. Turn the set off, adjust aura by x%.
sand egret
but if the set was more than that
like enabling X style of gameplay
can account for way more than the aura, for instance
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel when you say encha I wanna strangle u
warm plinth
Yeah, it'd be harder to see the end result
Since you would have to see where the spec was after changing back to the other style of gameplay.
sick sentinel
Also I miss tier sets
I like fury azerite, where the optimal play is to get one of every power for the non-stacking benefits and then stack one for damage
Eyy weep
sand egret
I know Imma get meme'd on this, but I'm looking forward to the HoA 2.0 in 8.2.
warm plinth
It can't get worse, so I'm looking forward to any change lol
supple path
I mean as someone who hates the current one, same Bladesong. Maybe it'll suck less.
upbeat ivy
No Tank available that did Mythrax that I can bother for a couple of minutes? :(
sand egret
i dont raid tank or I would
sick sentinel
What should I say then weep ?
sand egret
sorry mate
warm plinth
Enh? Like everyone else? :p
somber dragon
generally just ask the question instead of asking to ask (:
sick sentinel
Oh, whatever
If it's on mythic it's slightly different
Nobody plays shamans anyway
But really amounts to "nobody but tank should get orbs or stacks from anything but ruin"
sand egret
also, 8.2 will be the first post-launch patch realistically, so they actually have full interation time
upbeat ivy
Well aight.
We did Mythrax tonight, first prog. I killed him two times, but as trial and just did my stuff.
Our tank just hit me up that he can't take the 2nd tank-hit from the add in transition.
Shouldn't that be possible? I never heard of ordering a DPS to take the tankhit during transition phase.
One thing could be that too many of them soaked orbs and left barely nothing for tanks, so say if we would only soak orbs if we're above 20, keep more for the tank, could he take the 2nd hit?
cosmic cargo
arms warriors usually take the hit
main vault
Ive heard of DPS often taking the tank hit
cosmic cargo
with their parry thing up
upbeat ivy
Oh okay, how would you go about that then, roughly so I can get the idea?
main vault
Any DPS with a decent CD and taunt should take it
upbeat ivy
He's tanking the 2nd add that comes in after the first, if that matters
main vault
Thats usually how second works
cosmic cargo
specially since if you parry it you'll spawn same orbs as debuffs you get
upbeat ivy
I just wonder how / when a DPS should take it if we gotta go from Point A to onto the rock.
We run 2 VDH's. :/
main vault
But yeah having something like a War to take it isnt absnormal
sick sentinel
Oof
main vault
Big oof
sick sentinel
@upbeat ivy the guild that I'm trialing in on mythaxx they tell the dpses to actively avoid orbs
@sick sentinel same
Oh, double VDH lol
upbeat ivy
Yea he told me he could take it if he's got enough Orbs ready - OR if a DPS takes it.
cosmic cargo
if you have an arms warr have him taunt and take it
sand egret
welp, uldir talk is my cue to scoot, have a good night ya'll
cosmic cargo
if not then idk holy pala
upbeat ivy
we do
cosmic cargo
lul
upbeat ivy
:'D
cosmic cargo
the ret works then
he can taunt and bubble
if he doesn't have bubble then another CD and bop
upbeat ivy
I mean the other VDH usually has a main monk, Idk why she's on her VDH, stuff just goes wrong - but lets assume we have 2 VDH's ( as she won't swap, we're mixing up tanks for BFD anyway )
So when would you wanna taunt / bubble / take it then.
Since we gotta move
To bait beams.
I'm super sorry to bother you guys q_q I'm just a warlock :c
somber dragon
this sounds like a very odd strat due to paper-thin tanks (not their fault really at this point, but true)....
cosmic cargo
its a fairly standard start
*strat
no reason not to do it, more orbs for the team as a whole
upbeat ivy
I mean I got the idea now to taunt it. But how. I mean the DPS has to be with the add then for a certain time and can't run onto the rocks to bait adds?
I mean when* :/
That's the part I don't get.
In my defense it's 2 am.
somber dragon
raid has to be ready for that possibility
cosmic cargo
he'll just have to leave the stack when its close to time to taunt
somber dragon
charge over HL back or something
upbeat ivy
Aight. So. Basically, leave more orbs for tanks OR let a DPS taunt it, right?
sick sentinel
Both Die by the Sword from the arms and bubble taunt should work
upbeat ivy
i mean the reason tanks have little orbs as of today is because lead told the raid to soak all orbs they spawn during transition
so what if we only soak them if we're 20+ stacks or w/e
warped hound
shoot your rl
upbeat ivy
D: So only soak at 20+? We kinda "speedkilled" it on my two trials before, I couldn't really pay attention to ALL the mechanics. :/
somber dragon
wait what
upbeat ivy
Yea. Basically when you spread and spawn your 5 orbs
most of us soaked em ( I didnt as I learned otherwise ) but I didn't care / know too much about tank mechanics.
We leave them up during the fight, obv. but in transition lead told us to soak most of the ones we spawn.
sick sentinel
This is weird
upbeat ivy
Well, the one VDH said if he'd have more orbs available ( if we leave htem up now ) he could take it. Sounds like a fair solution? The 2nd hit
Without risking the 2nd DPS spawn another Vision while taking the hit if stuff overlaps?
Nvm. Tank decided to to Orbstuff rather than taunt-off as Visions are a problem for us anyway.
Thank you tho for explaining guys!
main vault
No
drowsy relic
I feel like it just helps with grevious, less haste sucks though
astral crystal
run ravager
unreal flume
how many ilvls is deafening crash worth now?
astral crystal
i mean yeah it's still very worth
drowsy relic
Actually yeah
astral crystal
shawrus if youre having issues with grievous, pick up some mage food before your runs
shouldn't really be killing you during pulls
drowsy relic
Idk
outer dew
Ravager is op
drowsy relic
Ok you might think I’m trolling but I’m gonna explain
outer dew
Maintain aggro as you're running
drowsy relic
This week I’ve been running impending victory since it’s a quick hp top up
Since I’ve got treants in my group bolster isn’t that big of a deal
I usually always have SB up for every pack
Actually
Nah dw you can just treants with standard talents to get topped up
sick sentinel
U can do whatever you want
As long as you time keys nobody's gonna question you
Ayyye, ur boys 5/8
Gz
Our shaman meme'd and got 13 stacks during inter
astral crystal
inter?
sick sentinel
Intermission
We are going to do Zul now
Gonna bring out the M+ azerite gear
My double BoM
main vault
No balls
sick sentinel
Lucky for me, i have 4 palys
So if we get to 2nd phase I dont have to "worry" about bleeds
daring marlin
bleed gonna give you the bidnz
inland mesa
I hate Zul, we only had 1 Paladin this week :(
sick sentinel
Man this is challenging
We are trying to use the sub cheese
and these adds are dying way too fast
inland mesa
Don't, two tank it and just have everyone go balls to the wall on zul and double pot
Rogues don't cheese enough dps anymore to do it that way imo
Or just kill double hexxar and phase before or cc next set
inland mesa
They had 1 rogue, but they also let him go ham and he pulled 38k lol
sick sentinel
lol
inland mesa
I'm 8/8 and clear one night on Tuesdays too, but I run crusher out and they let me die with 3 stacks :(
The krawg tank dream
inland mesa
Looks like they 3 tank still but 3 heal instead of 4
sick sentinel
One thing I am noticing is they want me to have crawgs on top of the boss
inland mesa
You can't do sub rogue strat like that they're going to melt
Sub rogue strat was hold to side kite if needed, you and rogues basically kill them off frost mage to slow and add damage if you can't no one else touch
silent fossil
This is probs a really dumb question, but ancient bulwark or brace for impact?
inland mesa
Everyone just puts them on boss now and focuses zul and dropped a tank or a healer usually now
BFI
silent fossil
Danke
inland mesa
You usually don't make the dps check now as people always go for pad instead of zul push
astral crystal
sub rogues still pump zul btw
sick sentinel
Yeah im gonna have to tell them I need to pull the crawgs to the side, otherwise they will die from all the aoe
shut summit
sick sentinel
I might just have to stick with BoM then
main vault
Pugs suck so much
sick sentinel
Tell us less
main vault
lol
I just had a healer yelling at me for pulling the front two mobs in KR
In Serpent room
the two packs of 2
sick sentinel
At the same time?
main vault
Yes
sick sentinel
I can KINDA get it
sick sentinel
What kinda healer u had?
main vault
MW
sick sentinel
This was a M+ im assuming
main vault
yeah, only a 7
main vault
oh it was no mystery to me
supple path
The circle of crappiness in lower pugs is great, where they're so used to terrible tanks or whatnot that they object to normal behavior.
"we can't do that pull! we'll all die when we don't interrupt anything, stand in all the fires, and the tank turns his back to it!"
main vault
yes lol
sick sentinel
And now im being told to not aoe so much
oblique garnet
serpent room ? que
main vault
yeh
balmy narwhal
holy crap
since when did they make it so that u dont have to change spec for feast!
awesome
oblique garnet
8.1
sick sentinel
This is the worst
I cant use any aoes because im melting these crawgs
Because they want the rogue to use the sub cheese
So im having to use deve/SS
astral crystal
there is no sub cheese the way it existed before though
might want to inform them of that
sick sentinel
I tried
I cant contribute no damage unless crawgs are dead
But they are more worried about doing that cheese
bronze hull
is there any trinket sims for prot warriors?
main vault
no
supple path
That's why this channel's name is #whichtrinketwouldyouguyswear
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto i understand your struggle with 12+ pugs
I had like a decent tank he was good and all
But so slow
sick sentinel
And u weren't tanking why?
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
warrior for many hours kills my hands
sick sentinel
Ban this man
oblique garnet
I just dont want to tank this week
sick sentinel
Next ur gonna tell me warrior ain't even ur main
sick sentinel
How can I believe u, ur playing a dh and a dk, who are just palys who sucked shit at living
oblique garnet
I dont tank on dh what the fuck
sick sentinel
Yeah and I'm rich millionaire
oblique garnet
Why would i want to do that
sick sentinel
Because u hate Prot and abandoned us
uneven mason
TFW you take safeguard for your paladin co tank on Fetid and don't even flinch at eating additional thrash damage.
oblique garnet
Yup im a traitor
crystal night
78% damage mitigated on M Fetid as thrashing bite tank good?
oblique garnet
Gonna reroll into brm
quiet crane
Wait
A guilds still trying to zul cheese using subs
Wtf
And I’m alive guys 😄 sorta
main vault
new phone who dis
quiet crane
:(((
Oh well I guess I’ll keep with being the one who knows you then
Still looking for a guild nex?
surreal stump
stalker alert!
quiet crane
No I keep tabs however on knowledgeable lads
And I know that cause I’m looking to
Managed to get some set in stone work hours
surreal stump
its like feeding sharks. throw out a question and watch the trolls swarm its kinda fun
main vault
I actually am trialing so we will see how it goes
main vault
Prot
main vault
I only play Both prots and Bear of course
quiet crane
I know you like it but I’ll say it anyway I’m glad you’re not your dumpster bear 🐻
Or chicken
Can’t do bear man idk how anyone can do boring
oblique garnet
2k io with bear🤔 maybe that should be my next goal
quiet crane
Yuck
Feel a lot better If they at least gave it back ursocs ability
Then again my own personal issues are such small shit it turns me off a few classes cause I’m a sook
oblique garnet
Theres too many boring classes in the game
quiet crane
I agree with you man 😦
Blizzard don’t wanna listen to anyone 😦 to much of an activision pet
Oomph what about those zandar racists though
Racials
I know the regenerating ability is bull and is gunna be tuned but I’d be interested to see the loa one
quiet crane
I hate cat lol I’d rather chicken
Yeah I bet man I wanna see how they scale that shit
They’re honestly both strong in their own right though kultirans I’m referring to
oblique garnet
Activision has been part of blizzard for ages now
quiet crane
Yeah but seem to be really pulling it up now it seems
oblique garnet
Its more of an new casual players cant get into games with complex mechanics
quiet crane
Just wish they would listen a bit more honestly
main vault
I wouldn t say WoW has complex mechanic
quiet crane
It’s like even shit they do on game so much of it defs look like only cans from a business perspective personally I really dislike that. Don’t even have GMS comms with anyone anymore either
main vault
Games like PoE are thriving however
quiet crane
Like fucking nothing’s allowed now
So dry they need something different and big
Just don’t know what else to do without wow tbh that’s my no life issue
oblique garnet
”Thriving”
quiet crane
Couldn’t get into PoE no clue why
Just didn’t like the graphics or some crap I guess.. honestly got no justification other than I just don’t like it and don’t know why
Been getting into my old RTS games though like age nice change of pace
main vault
Yeah
vast anvil
390 Knot of Ancient fury or 370 Disc of Systematic regression
main vault
Knot is pretty fun
oblique garnet
Also big parries
tight tree
Got shit items from chest on 2 characters ;/ How hard it would be to make it like this:
Wait it would be FUCKING hard because it would make sense and people would LOVE it. No can do.
tight tree
Found Blizzard dev 😉
@quiet crane Isnt PoE and other similar games are even more grindy?
ionic fern
I wouldn't mind for it to be instead of "Item 1, Item2, Item 3" but "Random Hands, Random Chest, Random shoulders" or some shit like that.
ionic fern
Go away Levko Wow isn't good
ember arrow
At least youre honest
tight tree
I personally decided to fill the gap in my gaming education 😃 and got to play Dark Souls at last. Difficulty is refreshing
ionic fern
😄
ember arrow
Dark souls mobile when
ionic fern
Can't wait for all the adds in-between deaths .
warm plinth
I mean, you can play Dark Souls Remastered on the Switch.
tight tree
I get angry when random skeleton murder me, but not nearly as angry as when i get crap RNG in WoW. So i guess Dark Souls have therapeutic effect on me.
plays Dark Souls to actually calm down because WoW is irritating sad we had come to this 😉
hollow thorn
Yeah
And the buff to help u finish the dungeon is also great
Prot is gonna smash those ghosts
lavish oracle
Hard to tell if prot is going to be amazing or trash for reaping
A lot of magic damage from those ghosts
hollow thorn
Just kill the ghosts b4 they kill u
oblique garnet
isnt most of the magic damage dodgeable?
oblique garnet
it doesnt
lavish oracle
Its AMS able afaik
oblique garnet
idk why i cant get into ptr :S
lavish oracle
Well, trees + prot is gonna be 🔥 still
trim talon
Fun detected 🤖
lavish oracle
Do we know if the DoT is dispellable?
sharp night
hollow thorn
Would be pretty dumb if it wasnt
lavish oracle
Yeah, I figured it would be but its hard to tell watching streams
quiet crane
It is @tight tree
tight tree
I just dont think that grinding is fun 🤷 I mean, i can put up with that if result will be fun and it will offset time wasted, like it was with raiding in WoW at some point but now it is getting ridiculous
quiet crane
Honestly modern wow as it is now is far form being Grindy it’s nothing like it was in classic grinding for rep even farming strath for the old resist gear 20 lvls lower then you if memory serve to
But I agree nonetheless
marble cipher
or attunement grinding, even if I kinda liked that
quiet crane
Honestly hated that shit ^^ lol
marble cipher
understandable 😄
quiet crane
Caused so many fucking issues forming
“Oh yeah I done it”
Couldn’t get into instance.
40 people the micromanagement was just yuck
cosmic cargo
by micromanagement you mean herding idiots
quiet crane
The mat farming for everything to the amount of pots and all the rest of it
cosmic cargo
quiet crane
Lmao
Pretty much man
If you were lucky you could offset most grinding if you could have everyone assign genes roles to collect shit
Tanks have fishing duty for example 3 days a week or some crap for e.g these 8 people do herbing etc etc
(Within guilds for raids of course)
Warr prime time was classic though never forget we were the only tanks 😉
When we was blizz favourite
hot locust
I don't think it was much of being the favorite so much as that's just kinda how it turned out.
Blizz just rolled with a lot that happened with vanilla.
tight tree
Will not play vanilla just based on this lol. I just cant care anymore about AP. I am out of gold, spent on runes/pots. Islands/herbing/LFR is so slow tedious and unfun, i rather not raid than waste my time on it.
I think every player deserve to do what is fun in the game without doing unfun stuff, and not being punished for it. When one forced to grind islands to get AP to raid, that is terrible game design
ionic fern
What neck lvl do you need that you're grinding islands? o.o
tight tree
1 hour of herbing to be done for week of raids is fun for me, but now 1 hour of herbing is like 15-20 potions which is ridiculous.
@ionic fern I dont want any level of neck, guild want 38 before new raid 😉
ionic fern
We're settling with 33 before raid, or was it 34, can't remember. 😂
tight tree
I am 34 now, guild want 38 and no fucking way i am able to do this lmao
I just want to do shit i want to do without feeling that i MUST log on, you know
Like playing Dark Souls or WoW arena
hot locust
No requirement for my guild, pretty sure I'm only gonna be like 35.
warm plinth
Dark Souls fo lyfe
winged sage
tight tree
I done like 3
What a nerd right 😃
Wish arenas and m+ rewarded good AP, i could be having fun and not feeling shitty
wide girder
39 is easy
But pots and herb farming is boring
Need to decrease costs of potion making
ionic fern
I mean..in general when the AP and shit came out everyone was grinding the shit out of it...i in all honestly did no WQ's or any other stuff other than raiding and m+ and ended up in the same lvl as them just like a week/two later cause of how the scaling worked. 🤷 Me getting the same lvl as they in a week or two is fine for me as long as i don't have to do stuff i don't want to. 😂
tight tree
I get catch-up, i dont get when guild pressure me to grind, tbh neck level is least of our problems
And yea pots should be 10 for same mats, not 1
And there should be cheap pots like prolonged power
and dedicated zone for weed like rose was in Legion
marble cipher
PPP wasn't in till several patches in legion
there will come one like it I think, but later
tight tree
It will but it will be too late
marble cipher
I don't mind current herb/pot/flask prices, then again, I got gold to spare, so I can imagine it's annoying for many others
tight tree
I mean literally no downside in these QoL things, why not have them
small tendon
Sell tokens ?
tight tree
I am not a type to play AH, so gold is bad, i am literally donw to 10 k from all these mythic wipes
marble cipher
And yeah, it's all blizz way of "controlling" the economy a bit ingame, and boost their token sales 😉
tight tree
And i ever saved crapton by porting out and resetting bosses on my monk 😉
marble cipher
buy low, sell high 😉
cosmic cargo
PPP was in 7.1 though
marble cipher
was it?
cosmic cargo
which was very fucking early into legion
cosmic cargo
nah i remember using them during EN
dire wyvern
Havent bought a single strength flask so far, made them all myself
have only bought potions
tight tree
I rather sleep, watch movie, go to gym, insert any meaningful activity here
marble cipher
they could've added some sort of PPP from Sanguicel tbf
cosmic cargo
buying them is generally cheaper than crafting
dire wyvern
also didnt buy any runes, got them all myself
cosmic cargo
at least was in my realm
sick sentinel
Yeah me too
marble cipher
many people have those rotting in bank, and now you got a feast for them, might as well add a pot for them
sick sentinel
But wow requires grind
cosmic cargo
sell flowers, buy pots
dire wyvern
not when you get a 15 proc 😃
tight tree
My point was, currently grind is bit too much to justify the results, at least for me.
dire wyvern
marble cipher
0.47 chance on proc, so you always get 1.47 flasks/pots per rank 3 craft.
But, that's average of course, and leaning very much towards an offtopic chat 😄
tight tree
Wasnt the case in Legion for example
dire wyvern
4 crafts not 5 btw, 10 3 1 15
normal trellis
When I use Last Stand with the talent Bolster, should I use my rage during that time for Ignore Pain? Because using Shield Block would be a waste of Rage since I’m blocking all attacks anyways right?
sick sentinel
I bought 166 flasks and by the time ghuun was dead I had 156
next goblet
whose excited for dazar'alor?
cosmic cargo
ok and then you'll get a bunch of crafts where you get jack shit and it averages out 😛
dire wyvern
im swimming in anchor weed tho
dire wyvern
literally have 80+ anchor weed and not enough of the other herbs
marble cipher
@normal trellis if you need extra defense in that time, yes
warm plinth
@normal trellis Correct, though the shield block from Bolster doesn't increase SS damage, so from a DPS standpoint it might still be worth casting it. Or you can use your rage on Revenge if you don't need IP
normal trellis
Great, thanks guys!
next goblet
how cancer is grievous for prot this week?
zinc creek
Should be ok. Brm has issues but then again, it's on your healer
upbeat ivy
What is the "beam damage" called at Mythrax. Crashing Oblivion?
upbeat ivy
i just realized crashing obli is the breaking im stupid
oh its really obliteraitonbeam / blast in logs too. It just didnt pop up as people usually avoided it
got it, thanks! :D
dire wyvern
😂
cosmic cargo
👌
sick sentinel
I doubt that applies to random after you "open" them
or well they'd no longer be random :P
upbeat ivy
Huh... I guess I know why we're fucking up Transitionphase at Mythrax now. :'D Thanks for the help again guys btw.
This from 26 Pulls :c
junior igloo
Jimmy's performance seems to be slipping
upbeat ivy
LMAO
hollow thorn
lol
upbeat ivy
I mean okay he's a rogue but he should have more mitigation if he'd cloak it, right? Does that count into it?
marble cipher
shouldn't be a need for it, it's easy to avoid
raven ore
He shouldn't get hit at all
I think I have 126 ticks in my hundred some pulls on that boss
Is he pulling a towelie or?
dire wyvern
i play frost dk so full wheelchair and i get hit maybe once or twice in a phase
but taking 1 hit is inconsequential in that phase cuz healing is pretty low
sick sentinel
@raven ore do I even have a healer over there??
lusty grotto
morning
sick sentinel
Hi nim
marble cipher
same ilvl boots, both with socket,
1: crit over mastery
2: haste over vers
I'd guess 2 ?
hollow thorn
2 has haste, so id go with that
marble cipher
Yeah, there is no such thing as a haste cap for prot right?
hollow thorn
more haste the better
marble cipher
👌
cosmic cargo
100% buffed haste is technically a softcap
marble cipher
😄
zealous crest
Anyone have trinket ranking for Battle for Daz'alor?
marble cipher
Do I drop ilvl for archive in uldir? (15 ilvl)
Again, I would assume so?
marble cipher
6, so, reasonable is the correct word I guess
dire wyvern
only good tank trinket in BoD afaik is the prydaz one
marble cipher
450 haste so
dire wyvern
yeh
nova gale
Have you guys thought of how fucking insane Avatar will be with triple BoM next tier with the extra stats and stuff we get?
defensively I mean
modest wedge
I dont know but I will just go 3xEC 3xBoM and clap dem reapers
propably higher dmg than dps
tight tree
Blizz will just nerf everything
junior igloo
@zealous crest
Offensive or defensive trinkets?
nova gale
Like
Triple BoM will get you to around 60% block
and your crit block will be close to 100%
so you can prolly ignore using SB during avatar and just use it not to cap, then spend the rest of your rage in IP
Or have I missed something?
zealous crest
@junior igloo Offensive, bro. Please tell me more about it, my playing style is mostly offensive
junior igloo
I heard that the Grong trinket does a lot of damage
hollow thorn
DoS 2.0
zealous crest
yep
hollow thorn
Not as good obviously
zealous crest
thought so
hollow thorn
DoS was busted
zealous crest
it was good for tanks, even it was nerfed
like all raid trinks
Seems like Grong+Jaina one is solid ( Since Mekkatorque is on use also)
marble cipher
Zul M P2 block doesn't do anything for the dot right? Keep IP up is all I can do I guess? Well, with block for his melee's of course
chrome falcon
@marble cipher yeah just start cycling your big personals with healer externals pretty much
hey i know that two of our BoM/DC pieces drop from the new raid, anyone know where the third is from?
struggling to find it
junior igloo
@chrome falcon
It's the helm that's missing, right?
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=159430/helm-of-abyssal-malevolence&bonus=4817:1482&azerite-powers=1
or
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=155885/sea-brawlers-greathelm&bonus=4817:1482&azerite-powers=1
dusk locust
i think routing dungeons will be neat with reaping
well, unless it's a really linear dungeon
sand egret
can we SR the lost soul cast.... 🤔
marble cipher
I think the only real change will be that you'll almost always want to kill the last boss before you get to 100%
to skip one reaping proc
dusk locust
yeah
sand egret
i thought it doesnt proc after the boss dies
marble cipher
Other then that, bring boomie, nuke fest
yeah, the 100% reaping doesn't happen if you've killed all bosses first
sand egret
yeah so the move is to save 1%, kill, then finish it off
sick sentinel
umderrot though
marble cipher
shroud Zul I guess is possible
sand egret
not applicable everywhere
dusk locust
does zul provide %
marble cipher
no idea actually
vocal nimbus
like a 4-5
dire wyvern
zul is big %
marble cipher
many dungeons have a teleport back to start, so, you might be able to skip a pack at start, and go do that after last boss if you really don't want the reaping to happen
though, come to think of it, I don't know if that teleport exists in M+, might only be lower difficulties
sand egret
the biggest thing is less the reaping itself and more when imho
since they rise immediately, if it happens 2 mobs into a big pull....
marble cipher
I'm counting on many "oh shit, that went over 20%" moments 😄
sand egret
you now got some nasty trash in the mix
and just like that they went ahead and made content that further promotes the need for an addon
sick sentinel
"oh shit BL this"
marble cipher
Since they only mention sanguine for now, I'm dreading the first explosive week with reaping and blizz goes "oh, we forgot that they shouldn't proc orbs"
sand egret
unless you got people doing %s by heart and on the fly, knowing what mobs add up is going to be big. not very pug friendly
old zephyr
Where will they spawn? from their corpses, begining of dungeon?
mystic fog
Hey guys! Is AotT good azerite for M+ only? or should i try to get better azerite? right now i have Archive of the titans, Deafening Crash and Brace for impact
old zephyr
kick is also a thing
lusty grotto
archive is good for both raid and M+
old zephyr
does it cleave?
sand egret
seems like a single target stacking dot
lusty grotto
there are better options for M+ now but, it's good for M+ deeps
cobalt trellis
@rancid oak its fine, i use the same traits atm
but next raid will open up the second outer ring, so much more options
sick sentinel
@mystic fog middle traits also matter and BoM becomes really really good in m+, but your setup is just fine, does not warrant spending residuum
sand egret
sup dood
lusty grotto
havent ran M+ this week
old zephyr
I did 1, shrine it was ultra MEH
lusty grotto
will probably do some today
sand egret
ive done a few on my war pretty ez
sand egret
just painting by numbers up in that shit with sang
lusty grotto
or was it yamo?
sand egret
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty grotto
hey at least the percocet is good 😎
mystic fog
@sick sentinel @cobalt trellis Thanks for help!
signal plover
Stop being so emotional
sand egret
you get no thanks
lusty grotto
I CANT HELP IT
sand egret
IGNORE THAT SHIT
lusty grotto
i blame the drugs
sand egret
ITS WHAT WE DO
signal plover
Can't handle a lil Percocet...what are u a suburban housewife
sand egret
ya.
mystic fog
Thanks guys!
signal plover
Ok fair
sand egret
you see his profile pic
lusty grotto
ROFL
signal plover
Ya all that tells me is that he's the chief Boot Soup Clap barista
lusty grotto
does this warrant interest in a Chef Nimchip picture of the day?
signal plover
Nay
lusty grotto
you asked for it Blade
signal plover
I'm almost off da toilet
lusty grotto
heh heh heh
sand egret
👀
astral crystal
post
oblique garnet
anyone elses ptr saying no realms available?
sick sentinel
Be as emotional as you want @lusty grotto
modern brook
dude fuck baby boomers
uneven mason
ew, no, they're all old
modern brook
I'm glad you kept trying TBH
I hate anyone who comes into work sick
and i only work with boomers
so fuck boomers
sick sentinel
I hate people who ruin the economy
Destroy pensions
Drive up college prices and cause a housing bubble
And the venn diagram between those people and boomers is a circle
modern brook
I just dont want a cold man :^(
lavish oracle
Hell yeah, weep
wide girder
nice talk
amber siren
prot disco getting real deep
wide girder
and I bet you all live in the good countries
lavish oracle
Yeah but then theres the absurd wealth gap between the rich and poor in Brazil
And the Favelas
modern brook
@sick sentinel hows your parsing coming
sick sentinel
@modern brook I haven't been playing prot in uldir
modern brook
oh rip
sick sentinel
I'm over uldir
modern brook
understandable
sick sentinel
Can't wait to be ilvl 400 first week
modern brook
will you be tanking new raid?
sick sentinel
No
We have 2 brm
Don't think our raid lead/gm would want me to tank
But I do want to
lusty grotto
weep was banned by Limit, didn't you know?
sick sentinel
^
cosmic cargo
m+ prob won't drop 400 ilvl week 1 but idk
sick sentinel
10 will most likely
lavish oracle
I think prot is gonna outclass BRM but /shrug
sick sentinel
With a +5 wf/tf cap
cosmic cargo
but idk i don't remember how it was on antorus and such
they never capped wf/tf in legion though
except before en opened
modern brook
similar
sick sentinel
Method was like
sick sentinel
385 before going in
modern brook
but not being at your keyboard is a pretty efficent way to tank
that is to say
BrM is still a significantly more forgiving spec
cosmic cargo
the thing is at this point
modern brook
and it didnt lose much in the way of survivability
cosmic cargo
it's not that forgiving
as in if you play really bad brm right now
you basically need an extra healer 😛
sick sentinel
If you play really bad brm you can clear heroic
modern brook
^
sick sentinel
Re: the fetid log
cosmic cargo
you can clear heroic headbutting the keyboard with most tanks
dire wyvern
method was ~378 on ghuun kill iirc
sick sentinel
I saw Josh at like 389
dire wyvern
average ilvl
lavish oracle
Nah, depends on the fight; definitely a few fights where prot will crush Brm
cosmic cargo
mastery is marginally better than versa on phys heavy dungeons
but otherwise yeah haste>versa
lavish oracle
Brm is probably safer on progress, tho
sick sentinel
Brm is absolutely safer on prog
prisma pendant
ty
sick sentinel
Passive mitigation will always trump active mitigation for unknown damage patterns
Always
cosmic cargo
definitely safer but might strain healers a bit too much on some fights
trail whale
...that's never been the case
lusty grotto
@prisma pendant ilvl > all
sick sentinel
Ilvl > all pref haste
cosmic cargo
fetid progress for method, before sco had to leave, they were definately straining the healers
example of a mediocre brm
sick sentinel
Fetid just does metric fucktons of damage
trail whale
they were also running 3 healers
cosmic cargo
didn't see honestly having those issues at all
cosmic cargo
EHRPS on monk is slightly higher than other tanks even if played well, played poorly it goes up a lot
(generally, there's exceptions)
keen galleon
If I use intercept on a thrash tank w safeguard, do I take the entire thrash or 30% of it?
sick sentinel
Would love to have seen method try bdk there
modern brook
I think you're too in on the numbers here
sick sentinel
Fetid prog
cosmic cargo
they killed fetid with a bdk
modern brook
Stagger gives healers a lot of space to react and adjust
which is just in general a good thing to be able to provide on a progression fight your raid is learning
main vault
Imagine not knowing Sco was benched and they killled Fetid with a BDK
cosmic cargo
with sco on the bench
sick sentinel
First attempts
main vault
Well first prog it was impossible
cosmic cargo
^
main vault
Could have had 20 tanks
cosmic cargo
first prog wasn't about the tanks
trail whale
that's splitting some serious hairs there weep
cosmic cargo
it was about shit not dying
sick sentinel
You're being purposefully obtuse lol
cosmic cargo
and the bdk had to learn the fight from scratch
urban walrus
🍿
sick sentinel
All I'm saying is that passive mit is better for fights u don't know and that they don't generally struggle as much
cosmic cargo
i saw him play around a bunch with talents
main vault
Once he was actually killable Sco benched himself not long after
stoic pilot
saying passive mit is just flat out better is wrong because the only times tanks really don't know the fights are the first handful of pulls
sick sentinel
So basically I'm still responding to "prot will outclass brm"
stoic pilot
tank mechanics are painfully obvious <_<
trail whale
there is no such thing as an unknown damage pattern for those guys though
sick sentinel
Nah but who in this conversation is in method?
stoic pilot
you're saying fetid has unpredictable damage patterns
when it was massive auto attack dmg
sick sentinel
I'm not saying that actually
modern brook
^
urban walrus
Tbf with fetid if you let the boss run over to the adds timing the thrash can be difficult
sick sentinel
I said method just did tons of damage
main vault
What tank has passive mit anyways?
main vault
No they don’t
modern brook
IDG why yall are brining uldir into this
sick sentinel
How is stagger not passive mit
stoic pilot
because you have to use a skill to buff stagger
main vault
Stagger isn’t mitigating anything
stoic pilot
i.e. active mitigation
sand egret
^
main vault
All the time every time
astral crystal
you cant die from stagger, so it is mitigation prove me wrong 
main vault
Purifying Brew is mitigation
trail whale
lame-os
lavish oracle
Weep, I get what you're saying. I agree, BrM is better for learning fights. Not sure why everyone is dog piling on this issue, lol
urban walrus
I thought the point was active Vs passive mitigation?
sick sentinel
Because my words matter more than the concept
trail whale
i think people are just dog piling on his argument
steel mauve
They can clear stagger so they still don't take 100% of the damage
stoic pilot
adding insults to your argument doesn't make your argument more valid
cosmic cargo
well your point about fetid was pretty damn silly
modern brook
THey're deffo reading what they want to read
astral crystal
what are you guys even TALKING ABOUT
cosmic cargo
"killed with bdk, but not used on first 10 pulls, nope doesn't count"
astral crystal
let's talk about men's asses
modern brook
Zeppe said prot will outclass brm
main vault
No, he said passive is better than active
lavish oracle
Hell yeah, butts
modern brook
I said pro will compete, it wont outclass because brm has an easier tanking exp
sick sentinel
I literally said the problem was fetid doing tons of damage
main vault
But BrM doesn’t have passive
modern brook
this happented
trail whale
No he said chocolate is better than vanilla
astral crystal
i wonder if marok is watching, weeping
modern brook
now we're sitting here pretending like we dont know how stagger works, and somehow uldir came up in a discussion about BFDA
lavish oracle
Solid Snake has the most iconic ass, hands down
astral crystal
very true @lavish oracle
trail whale
🍿
hot locust
🤔
stoic pilot
i mean if he screenshots his comment, it must be right
especially when he said 3 sentences before "imagine if method used a bdk on fetid"
sick sentinel
When I meant on pull
lusty grotto
weep just weepin
sick sentinel
First time seeing the fight
sand egret
well to be fair, the point is a bit more specific than you seemed to make it. BrM became the go-to because you only have X resources to pull from in the first tier, and if you're going into it in cutting edge prog, Stagger gives you the affordance to react to stuff. BoD is different, imho, as they now have a much higher capacity to field what they need for a situation. I wouldn't be surprised if they flex tank specialties more in re: Method in the WF race
lusty grotto
i have no idea whats going on tbh lol
trail whale
sit back and enjoy nimchip
cobalt trellis
with the start of m+ season 2, will we have a keystone in our m+ weekly chest? if we get the chest at all?
main vault
You should still get a chest and have a key in it
modern brook
kubris yes
sick sentinel
Is it possible that one thing I said could be wrong but the rest right? Or is that a moral dilemma for you 🤔
lusty grotto
all signs point to yes
sick sentinel
Ya
lavish oracle
I don't see why we wouldn't @Kurbis
stoic pilot
why are you getting so upset @sick sentinel
stoic pilot
because nothing you said was right
lusty grotto
sic em weep
modern brook
There shouldnt be any difference in chest on the seasonal transition
sick sentinel
Ok !
hot locust
Lets try to move on, I dont really see this discussion going anywhere productive.
modern brook
bar maybe level of item
urban walrus
The whole first pulls thing for method, is a joke - do you think they aren't 95% sure how they want to execute the fight
astral crystal
can we talk about men's asses
sick sentinel
Don't care
lusty grotto
can we talk about chef nimchip's ass
stoic pilot
last thing being said about this, i don't think passive vs active mitigation is really a big deal either way, you learn the fights damage patterns in the first handful of pulls. unless it's something that's obscured after the boss dies, like an extra phase
lusty grotto
🤔
lavish oracle
Yeah, men's asses only
sick sentinel
If solid snake has the most iconic ass, Lara Croft has the most iconic breasts
sand egret
has anyone here messed with Reaping yet? Still wanna confirm if you can SR the Gaze Bolt
stoic pilot
you should be able to plan accordingly otherwise
lusty grotto
dang
cobalt trellis
my group hasnt been pushing high keys yet, had trouble timing 10s... would it make sense to do a 11,in the last week of m+ season 1, so we get a +10 in the first week of season2 and just wipe thru it, so we get a nice +10 chest the following week?
lusty grotto
sure kurbis
main vault
@stoic pilot Id probably add the caveat, because some tanks have 100% uptime on active "mitigation"
So not knowing a pattern wouldnt make a difference anyways
lavish oracle
Solid Snake's ass is miles above Lara's traffic cone boobs, but yeah, equally iconic
sand egret
aren't they re-scaling M+ in this next season?
modern brook
do you know whats actually stopping your progress @cobalt trellis ie: whats keeping you from timing
stoic pilot
true
lusty grotto
they are re-scaling yes
sick sentinel
They're both iconic in their own ways
sand egret
so then don't they usually downscale keys?
modern brook
THey've never done that
astral crystal
solid snake more like solid snack 😏
modern brook
They didnt even do that Legion -> BFA
sand egret
well that was a fun bug
sick sentinel
Ah yes I remember my +21 ToS from first week
urban walrus
They are rescaling s2 so I think if you are struggling on timing 10s , go find someone who's willing to let you deplete their key and then wipe fest in s2
Their +11*
sick sentinel
@sand egret I don't have ptr
main vault
My news headphones need to hurry up
cobalt trellis
well we dont do many m+ during the week, comes down to 1-3 per week... another aspect was, that i (as the tank) did now know the dungeons good enough, but i already got myself the MDT-Addon and will hopefully guide my group thru the next season smoother
modern brook
@sand egret you expect blizzard to fix bugs?
sand egret
practice makes perfect
sick sentinel
It's okay man
lusty grotto
ruh roh
lusty grotto
weep what is going on
sick sentinel
5 dungeons
modern brook
this is a hard week to time without knowing what and how you're pulling before hand
lusty grotto
you need to get to 👢 🍵 👏 ing
modern brook
def stare at your MDT routes
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto I'm too scared
sand egret
just seems weird that you'll get a +12 key for content requiring an ilvl way higher than expected
sick sentinel
Also I like doing m+with my rogue more
urban walrus
Having the mdt son isn't going to make you more aware of what is dangerous in dungeons or how to execute it better
cobalt trellis
in addition, i have been doing the most dmg in my group for a long time, since i'm the only raider, the other ones are more into pvp (i raid as dps tho)