^ true
#protection
keen spire
sick sentinel
No
cosmic cargo
gen 3 best gen
keen spire
also true ^
cosmic cargo
i goes up hill until gen 3
sand egret
hiss
cosmic cargo
then slightly downhill
sand egret
OG for life
sick sentinel
I feel like I'd be a great mom if I wanted kids
cosmic cargo
then downhill very fast after 4
sand egret
take Brock on hardmode style
cosmic cargo
yeah 5 and 6 is just yikes
sick sentinel
Water is the best starter because it's a free first gym win
cosmic cargo
you are right
keen spire
7th gen is alright imo
sick sentinel
I mean it really depends on what you play Pokemon for in the first place
lavish oracle
Maybe Blizzard made Zandalari broken on purpose so everyone would race change to them
cosmic cargo
what was first gym on gen 2 btw?
main vault
Well it worked
sand egret
i mean there's only one reason...
keen spire
they'll fix em az
cosmic cargo
anyone remembers
keen spire
TO CATCH THEM
cosmic cargo
ik gen 1 and 3 were both rock
sand egret
like the object of the game is in the damn song
stark sage
🤦
cosmic cargo
that was what type? 😛
main vault
Flying
cosmic cargo
flying or something?
keen spire
Falconer
main vault
Violet Gym
keen spire
Falkner
uneven mason
OH SNAP
keen spire
sorry marok
uneven mason
🛡
uneven mason
keen spire
^
uneven mason
He wrote a book bro, read it
sick sentinel
I want to play and have people respect me for skill b😭
sand egret
WoW actually has button press technology to detect how hard you hit TCLap and scales damage proportionately
sick sentinel
I replaced 355 dc with 385 bom
lavish oracle
Take Thunderclap off the GCD, Blizzard, you cowards
stark sage
bribe your healers to let you spend all your rage on revenge instead of IP
oblique garnet
I do that anyways dont need to bribe them while the other tank takes more damage anyways
uneven mason
My healerd begged to be allowed to 2 heal MTaloc lastnight cause parses
so I stood in everything
so they could heal more
and hit revenge
lavish oracle
I don't bribe them, my healers just hate me
stark sage
tbf taloc parses have the most potential for competition, its entry level and simple enough for people to go ham on trying to parse
uneven mason
its the most patchwerk fight in the place as well
stark sage
just have to convince kihra to remove bloods from allstars
sick sentinel
No it isn't
sick sentinel
Mother
oblique garnet
on mythic?
sick sentinel
Yes
oblique garnet
not really
uneven mason
mother has massive amounts of adds
keen spire
realtalk though... who really cares about any of the parses in uldir?
uneven mason
^
sick sentinel
And they all stack and you can passively cleave
main vault
Mother....patchwork....
keen spire
Ghuun is wonky... the first three are wonky
fierce juniper
mother parsing is all about having everyone cross over at once and then padding on those adds
cosmic cargo
mother is the most cheesy fight
main vault
If you can cleave anything, by definition, its not patchwork
cosmic cargo
i got r1 on my pala multiple times thanks to LFD racial
keen spire
Zek and mythrax are RNG nightmares
sick sentinel
Compared to taloc which has an entire 1min30 elevator phase where he only spawns ads
cosmic cargo
good joke calling that patchwerk
uneven mason
What Marok said
keen spire
and Zul is perma aoe lol
cosmic cargo
taloc is still way closer to patchwerk
uneven mason
Mythrax I guess
sick sentinel
Zul is still single target
uneven mason
is kinda that?
main vault
Guarm is the last Patchwork fight we have had
uneven mason
Zul is focused single target, but constnat cleave
sick sentinel
Yeah sorry I'm eating
keen spire
I mean yes, weep, but you're padding your shit with cleave
sick sentinel
Not getting my point across
cosmic cargo
if you count heroic we had vari
main vault
I guess whats his name in ToS
oblique garnet
I wish blizzard would just make a training dummy as a raidboss with no mechanics and if you fail to kill it at certain time you just instadie
cosmic cargo
and even on mythic it was borderline patchwerk for most classes
sick sentinel
Maiden is patchwerk change my mind
sand egret
the DPS check dummy?
oblique garnet
yeah
sand egret
that'd actually be quite useful tbh
keen spire
^
It would also be horribly disappointing
because so many people would not be able to progress
xD
sick sentinel
That's what ghuun p3 is my dude
keen spire
o.O
oblique garnet
No im talking about literal training dummy
keen spire
zero mechanics
sand egret
would need to be instanced, but yeah being able to take a group and gauge potential comp dps is cool
sick sentinel
Idk
stark sage
so like patchwerk
sick sentinel
I wouldn't like that
oblique garnet
yeah
stark sage
seems lazy
trail whale
imagine wanting a fight that is even less involved as a tank than a lot of blizzards current designs
keen spire
no u
oblique garnet
Just throw it in like an arena or something and have the spectators kill you if you fail the timer
main vault
Honestly
sand egret
it'd be great if you could tune it too Late, like for your tier
main vault
I loved The Butcher
stark sage
what i would like is a scenario where you beat on a dummy, that lets you pick your buffs/lust etc. then have that as a leaderboard on warclogs
sick sentinel
Ghuun p3 is probably the closest thing to patchwerk in uldir
main vault
One of my top 10 raid fights
sick sentinel
But saying phase is cheating
oblique garnet
nah blade fam just have it in one tier as a raidboss
lfr would never be able to do it
sick sentinel
Sure they would
main vault
half the poeople in here wouldnt be able to
sick sentinel
Okay can we not circlejerk
hidden ether
Looks like they are taking some of our AOE DPS away
oblique garnet
Just have the timers be like 6 min Lfr 5 Min Normal 4 Min HC 3 Min mythic
main vault
You shut your mouth
sick sentinel
Make me
oblique garnet
same hp on everything
sand egret
I mean, i was more just getting at a tool to allow raid groups to effectively practice a ST fight to guage their potential dps
keen spire
@hidden ether how so?
sand egret
and less of a competition thing
cosmic cargo
don't look at that stuff
main vault
Oh I thought he was being serious
cosmic cargo
it's mostly wrong numbers
uneven mason
MMO Champion is literally posting garbage now
sand egret
that's just a meta tuning pass
sand egret
like almost every trait got hit uniformly
sick sentinel
Reckless flurry was already adjusted
sand egret
sounds like a string-change CL
main vault
looks like tooltip changes
sand egret
ya, it's mostly strings
noble solar
why do you assume MMO is champ is posting wrong numbers?
uneven mason
(Stings means plain text for you not programmer types)
sand egret
sorry, yeah
main vault
Becuase mmo champ is a shit website now for most impormation
And they have a history of posting incorrect datamining
uneven mason
I'm pretty sure they haven't adjusted how they do their datamining in a long while.
sand egret
also @noble solar they just post raw changelists, which aren't super reliable by themselves
noble solar
still, why do you assume its wrong?
uneven mason
so it just comes out in a jumbled mess and they're having a hard time making sense of it.
main vault
Because it has proven to be repeatedly
sand egret
because it's how patches work
keen spire
I was worried for a second that they were going to make Thunderclap less potent "We felt that Ravager wasn't getting picked enough because TC's damage was more than triple Ravager's. In an effort to add more choice with Protection Warriors' talents, we scaled down Thunderclap's damage to half of Ravager's."
xD
uneven mason
Sounds like blizzard logic
main vault
Its like assuming Noxxic or Ask Mr Robot is wrong
uneven mason
It just comes naturally
open bluff
they'll nerf UF before they nerf TC directly
uneven mason
You'd be surprised
sand egret
yeah UF will be the first knob
uneven mason
"Shield Charge" anyone?
main vault
Or like thinking r/competitveWoW is good information
keen spire
lol shield charge
uneven mason
"We decided GLadiator did too much damage with shield charge, so we reduced Shield slam damage by 50%"
keen spire
xD
uneven mason
🤔 Prot can't hold threat not
open bluff
a direct TC nerf would only make UF even more required than it already is; if the idea is to promote alternative talent builds they'll nerf UF by 50-75% first
open bluff
(50% is probably warranted, but this is blizzard; expect unnecessary overcorrections)
uneven mason
since DC is no longer as insanely powerful, DR isn't far off
sand egret
i'm almost certain they'll hit UF to 50-75% and bump TC baseline
uneven mason
but
sand egret
maintain net base (if not a slight overall) but decouple the power from a fucking massive scalar
open bluff
the thing about DC though is we weren't prioritizing it for the TC damage
sand egret
100% + cooldown reduction is just a huge scaling factor to maintain forward
open bluff
the CDR during avatar is fine
keen spire
I'd be okay if they actually looked at how everyone in Prot has 1 talent build, baked that shit in, and came up with more interesting talent choices xD
sand egret
it all adds up mate
open bluff
the 100% extra damage is what's most at risk for the nerfbat
sand egret
anything that affects TC needs to be run through the UF vs not
open bluff
but like we've already said, it's blizzard
sand egret
that's the issue with UF
sand egret
and historically this has been done time and time again
uneven mason
Remove ravager from the 100 teir, make a new talent in place of BSC that gives you a 1min CD that Thunderclaps an area 6times over 6 seconds (generating 5 rage per second)
sand egret
so it'd be no surprise if they increase baseline and tone down UF
sick sentinel
What's UF
daring marlin
rip uf
keen spire
Unstoppable Force
uneven mason
then replace DR with a talent that just gives Thunderclap a 60% snare
sick sentinel
What does it do
keen spire
o.O
sick sentinel
Gotcha
lavish oracle
100% thunderclap damage boost during avatar 50% reduced CD
sand egret
aka it quadrouples damage output
stark sage
plus it adds more rage
stark sage
strong talent
sand egret
insanely strong talent
lavish oracle
It helps that the other 2 talents on that tier are garbage
uneven mason
I'd like DR if it was either a bigger snare or a shorter CD
sick sentinel
So it's like Carnage for furry
uneven mason
what really irritates me is that TC HAD a 50% snare
sand egret
if best served cold doubled in effectiveness, i dont think it would beat it
uneven mason
and they're like "QUICK WE NEED A NEW TALENT FOR PROT" _ I Know letst give them a 50% snare and cut the balls off of TC baseline
stark sage
they could remove the 100% damage bonus and i think it would still be the best
lavish oracle
Except you have to spend rage to maximize Best Serve Cold damage, TC generates rage
sick sentinel
You mean you aren't using revenge instead of ip
lavish oracle
So yeah, damage wise it might win out but it loses in terms of survivability
uneven mason
I've never been tanking enough mobs to where I'd feel BSC would be worthwhile and not had every revenge be free
like
stark sage
yeah at a certain point, revenge procs so often you cant dump rage enough
silk moat
Revenge is such a bad ability. All it does it c@ckblock me from using block or IP. I hate it when I press it when it’s not free
uneven mason
I Stack crit https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png
silk moat
Only if it’s free
silk moat
Is thunderclap getting nerfed 8.1.5 or 8.2?
keen spire
is your RA crit, Mac?
silk moat
😰
uneven mason
yeah
keen spire
move aside block
stone cloud
Mostly only on autos tho
stone cloud
As is dodge
stone cloud
Yes but more often the not it won’t kill you
keen spire
I think there's a misunderstanding here >.>
uneven mason
I also pushed on mastery and hit 57% Critical block
cause I ❤ meme trinkets and weapon enchants
with RA
haste is still my highest stat most of the time
silk moat
Does versatility increase leech effectivity?
uneven mason
cause SB Uptime
stone cloud
So this happened
uneven mason
bro
main vault
It increases leech
uneven mason
I so jelly
we've yet to see a single syringe
course we have people QQing about holding lockouts now because we want to get more bosses down before the patch
uneven mason
because 'I Need shoulders from Zek"
hidden ether
I got the 395 big button trinket from motherload, I use it on raid pulls and the other tank is always confused why I have agro
uneven mason
So you can replace them in 2 weeks, - sounds legit
stone cloud
Thinking red button is the reason you have aggro.
stone cloud
Zul trash last night with a blood dk was yikes
On my monk main sure
But doubt I’ll full clear in pug first week on warrior
uneven mason
Monks - the auto play of tanking
stone cloud
Trust me my dude
I’d rather play warrior
Just it’s far more punishing if mistakes are made
main vault
So
uneven mason
not much anymore
main vault
You are bad?
uneven mason
also, gitgud
main vault
so you cant play War cause its hard?
uneven mason
I mean, I ate trashes to the teeth
sick sentinel
I hate druids who spawn treants
stone cloud
No
sick sentinel
With my entire soul
main vault
Why
stone cloud
I play monk cause it’s been main since hfc
uneven mason
I ❤ Druids who spawn treants (at appropriate times)
main vault
Cause treants are better at tanking than you?
stone cloud
Most comfortable on it
uneven mason
ITs true
stone cloud
I ❤ druids that have a macro to yell they used treats
hidden ether
@stone cloud it was with another prot warrior and yeah it was that he had to taunt on CD to keep it for the first phase had him by about 10 IL so was hitting a little harder but the 20K hit to start would always take it
main vault
Treants are the best tank in the game
stone cloud
So I don’t think ppl pulled aggro lol
lavish oracle
I love treants, just not on sanguine
uneven mason
i have a wa that flashes a dancing tree on my screen
main vault
@sick sentinel its ok most people dont
silk moat
I have a 355 syringe but a 380 vial and 380 xalxiaxxx
I never used syringe because it simmed too low on DPS?
Mistake?
strong forum
its 100% gonna be interrupted upon taking dmg
main vault
Doubt it
open bluff
more likely going to be taken down to a 25% overall heal on a 3 minute cd
just enough to make it worthless
inner onyx
it's a channel
main vault
Besides
inner onyx
channels don't get interrupted from damage
main vault
That heal isnt even the strongest part
stone cloud
It’s 100% gonna be nerfed a week after it comes out and blizzard makes a killing from race changes
vocal nimbus
Channels do and dont get interrupted
open bluff
considering you can currently block/dodge/parry and it's not interrupted on the ptr unless you move...
inner onyx
^
inner onyx
where do you see that
inner onyx
anyone know how much damage boon of kimbul/bwonsamdi does?
lavish oracle
Saw a screenshot of it doing absurd damage yesterday
inner onyx
in
lavish oracle
I guarantee if they fixed regeneratin' they toned that down too, though
'cause that's what...8.5k dps on single target if you can triple stack it?
sick sentinel
@main vault you're legitimately on my ignore list
main vault
Thanks
daring marlin
I don’t get why people think regeneratin’ will be op. Historically casting/channeling doesn’t allow you to block/dodge/parry. Have fun popping it on a big pull and getting fucked.
main vault
or just using a CD then channeling
And historically tank abilities havent stopped you from dodge/block/parry
somber dragon
bd (for dks) was/is channeled and you can dodge/parry/block as well as use defensives.
daring marlin
casting=tank ability now
lavish oracle
I'm a 250k HP at 385 ilvl, Regeneratin' would be 62.5k HPS which even if I weren't blocking would be way more HPS than DTPS in most situations
daring marlin
lul
daring marlin
bd is a special case and not applicable
inner onyx
giving warrior tanks a 100% heal is insane
unless unusable in combat
you could heroic leap away and channel
even if no block
lavish oracle
I think someone said it's unusable in combat today?
lavish oracle
I don't have the PTR installed so I can't verify
open bluff
NomeraturToday at 11:26 AM
its not usable in combat
HAHA
fucking meme racial
itschillyToday at 11:26 AM
where do you see that
NomeraturToday at 11:26 AM
just go test it on ptr
done deal```literally 10 minutes ago
main vault
yeah its not
daring marlin
lul so op
lavish oracle
Well there you have it
main vault
The Loa is almost stronger though, so
main vault
1-3 ppm depending which
lavish oracle
Oh, no, they're broken af
sick sentinel
If it's not usable in combat it's useless
lavish oracle
Meant the loa abilities are broken af, regeneratin' is fine if it's not usable in combat
main vault
The loa abilities are stronger than the heal tbh
sick sentinel
@lavish oracle it's just completely useless
lavish oracle
Yeah, that's fine
lavish oracle
I'd rather it be useless than absurdly powerful, anyways
lavish oracle
Yeah, I think the loa stuff is fine for combat utility
sick sentinel
I don't like outlaw rogue
lavish oracle
It's not random, you select it
main vault
Rather it be only OOC and the Load be kept close to as strong as they are
Lets not act like Brush it Off isnt powerful
lavish oracle
I still think Kimbul is overtuned
sand egret
???
sand egret
thats not how ppm works
lavish oracle
They have a shorter GCD?
main vault
So no?
lavish oracle
Unless they changed that?
sick sentinel
that isn't how rppm works
sand egret
ppm isn't icd
main vault
🤔
silk moat
11.83 years cooldown ?
signal plover
Nouce
signal plover
That is once a decade
sand egret
that's once every 2 decades
sand egret
that RNG
sand egret
ahem
sick sentinel
main vault
Dont get it twisted
daring marlin
I miss tot rppm. The boomie tears were delicious.
sand egret
once a week, chance to 1-shot anyone.
old night
for mythic fetid my parses have been extremely low (19ish). Is there anything I can do to get it up and help dps a bit more?
I can link logs
tired cove
dusk locust
are you main tank or off tank on fetid
trail whale
there you go
dusk locust
meh i mean it'll work. my co-tank is bdk and he takes thrashes. i think we're better main and bdk is better thrash
reef tendon
Is he scared of dying to the thrash on mythic?
sand egret
anyone else find it ironic that a death knight is scared of dying 😃
old night
btw, I've been gone from the disc for like, 2 weeks from the holidays. I come back and all I hear is warr is OP in bfd and that a lot of guilds are throwing warr to the frontlines of tanks
is that true?
sand egret
perception has shifted lol
old night
that is so unbelievably irritating
dusk locust
i've heard there's a lot of physical damage in the next raid which is part of it
sand egret
YUP
dusk locust
and i agree
we've been fine this whole time and nothing has really substantially changed
suddenly we're op
¯_(ツ)_/¯
being able to block projectiles helped
modern brook
Is it just me
old night
i was asked over xmas break how i felt about the changes
modern brook
or are freeholds Infested patterns this week super cancer
sand egret
nothing worse than just blasting a key and ripping the meters and you're dumb dumb healer is just like "OMG WARRIORS OP NOW" (dude had a "YEEEET" yell macro....all dungeon)
old night
because theres a ton of warr tanks in low dungeons now
and i said "the changes are nice if you're prot main but if you are thinking of switching its nothing great"
DUDE THAT HAPPENED THE OTHER DAY BLADE
dusk locust
having IP off the gcd is a pretty good quality of life change to be sure
old night
but yeah blade. I pulled 40k on the trash before worm boss in a 13 UR
dusk locust
and generate more rage
sand egret
perception, gear, people actually trying it, all helps
dusk locust
lol
sand egret
yes, all those dps changes 😃
old night
bruh ive been pulling this since day 1. Get outta here
sand egret
and we're just like...."woof"
keen galleon
I mean I never played prior to the IP change but... that must have been a ton of gcds used.
dusk locust
if you needed the survivability it was
in fairness it also means pushing devestate more
old night
yeah it was annoying but its again, nothing super significant
keen galleon
I mean you need to dump rage somewhere
dusk locust
it's not like we have twice the shield slams
sand egret
yes, it's a net increase that way esp during Avatar, but outside of that window it doesnt
keen galleon
Unless the prior strat was overcapping rage to push damage??
sand egret
and revenge baby
dusk locust
that's what i used to do
old night
i see it on shit like fetid. pre patch I'd more than likely take a thrash right after a TC or SS. Post patch I can slam in a quick IP before the thrash
dusk locust
if i didn't need to dump into IP i'd just rage cap
old night
otherwise the roto is the same and it's still a rage dump thats low priority in the grand scheme of things
keen galleon
I mean if that was the prior strat then it makes us significantly tankier during dps windows
old night
if you have the rage you still throw it towards SB
sand egret
the key to me about it was being able to not have to slot in an extra ~1 second of pre-buffer when I know a spike is coming
sand egret
and bein able to squeeze in extra SS's and Revenges during Avatar
outside of that, the IP change is most felt to me defensively
inland mesa
we also have gear now, which is always our scaling problem, but I'm gonna miss the haste array 😦
inland mesa
yeah and longer gaps
sand egret
which of course, isn't good
old night
dont get me wrong, i love the changes
sand egret
eh, back then it was still 3x SB > LS and shit be dead
inland mesa
no more underdog 😦
old night
i cant tell you how many "reroll bdk or brew" i heard
sand egret
i care less about people giving a shit, I just don't like how its being attributed to just the buffs doing the work and not the warrior
old night
^^^
thats the biggest thing
it irritated me to hear that my dps in that UR was buffs when it wasn't. It's knowing and spending HOURS in this discord getting the roto right
inland mesa
I mean bdk and brew are only good cuz of their class, amirite?
sand egret
obviously doesn't work that way
but in the same way a good bdk is still going to rock now
old night
cant wait to see the sco shitshow vid
candid cove
Gonna make everyone reroll when sco says prot wars are top tier
then the nerfs will roll in and tc will get gutted.
old night
i have a clip of me taking 3 shatters and not dying
and from that point onward peeps in guild realized prot wasn't as shit as they thought
plus i felt really fucking cool lol
lemme find it
sand egret
"plus I felt really fucking cool" is literally the hardest part about designing tanks right now
sand egret
cuz that right there is the goal, but how do you do that but make it unique and somewhat equitable across the board
old night
I had accidentally applied a 2nd shatter on an early taunt
sand egret
I can't speak for everyone, but it was one of those moments that made me a tank for life
old night
3rd is when my cotank died and I had to take zek
sand egret
i got pulled in for the realm first 3drake on my DK during wrath and pulling that off sold tanking for me
old night
@sand egret this is that pull that my BDK referenced when that lock got ROASTED during fetid
I think I linked that a month or so ago
modern brook
Did anyone respond to the freehold thing
I looked away and theres a bunch of the other conversation i dont want to dig through
signal plover
It's still free
nova gale
Much rather prefer bolstering over sanguine
trail whale
no it's ust sanguine with dungeons like tol dagor that have mobs that run away through sanguine and then stop and then start hard casting in it
hollow thorn
With bolstering u cant clap TC
modern brook
sanguine is cancer
hollow thorn
Bolstering is more cancer
hollow thorn
Siege is not nice on sanguine
modern brook
and then got mad at me that they were in sanguine :^(
nova gale
ye like just grip them
modern brook
I DIDNT EVEN AVATAR
nova gale
looool
hollow thorn
Grip is so big for Sanguine
modern brook
So real question
How come HAymaker is a racial and not a warrior talent
Bounding stride, Haymaker, Safeguard
We could use our large punch in addition to our big stomp
we'd be so good
on the other hand; kultiran mages can now be fist wizards
so i guess thats ok
sand egret
oof bolster/bursting are my least fav affixes, mostly because it affects pull size/needs the dps to not totally mong
dusk locust
that's tame for the forums tbh
hollow thorn
Its ridicolous how ppl think the first PTR numbers are final
sand egret
"but they removed mastery!"
cold wren
They are doing this to get eveyone to play and buy race change to zanda
for quick cash in activisions pockets
then nerf it all
daring marlin
mastery, what’s that!?!?!?
main vault
Remove the heal keep the loa
zinc mauve
herd immunity passive: if your party/raid consists of entirely tauren, you become immune to poisons and toxins
this is the passive we need
sand egret
"SoB +18 Tauren only checking io"
daring marlin
You don’t like disney cows!?!?!?
somber dragon
Tauren make a great steak, there's a place in Silvermoon
zinc mauve
what if tauren had a passive to be able to create milk
somber dragon
(granted, both my DK and my Pali are Cowz)
zinc mauve
male and females
somber dragon
so a mage-esq racial.. or something just comical (udderly ridiculous? 😄 )
zinc mauve
blood elves are just an alliance race that got given to the horde
warm plinth
I mean I'm RIGHT here
warm plinth
Hey who knows, with how unhappy some of the horde leaders are with Sylvanas, that shit might actually happen
main vault
I’ll follow Sylvannas to my death
green flare
hello all im starting tank with the warr and i feel like im squishy, i try to have my shield block up as long as possible using bolster and using ignore pain while shield block is up
main vault
That’s a good start
sand egret
maybe a typo, but you don't generally (defensively speaking) want to use a Shield Block charge when using Last Stand (with Bolster). IP is more of a secondary component for most damage. Obviously this changes on stuff we can't block.
green flare
I feel that they hit me really hard
dusk locust
what's your ilvl and what difficulty of content are you doing
sand egret
the reason I say it is that it's redundant to use SB + LS (with bolster)
since you essentially have SB active during all of LS due to the talent.
green flare
I do not use the last stand with the shield block up
sand egret
this could end up causing a gap in your mitigation later on
oook good, just checking 😃
green flare
ilvl 370 doing 10/11/12/13 keys
sand egret
that's a good wheelhouse
also, it may be hard but determining what is hitting you so hard is important. You may feel squishy....but that could be because your dps is letting through every cast under the sun.
if its stuff you can block, it's probably more of a rotation thing. at that gear level you should be more than fine
if you happen to raid, logs would be super helpful as well
green flare
im doing m+ only beacuse i dont have logs for see
signal plover
What ilvl is your shield?
green flare
but in general i feel the mobs hit me real hard
365
I was doing with a shield 340 but right now i have one 365
acoustic shard
Can you spell Reflect Essence Shear on Mytharax?
vast carbon
silk moat
Doesn’t relflect work on void lash ?
crystal creek
Oh BS love.
silk moat
Or no
crystal creek
Khaz'gorian Hammer: Allows the user to repair a piece of their equipment instantly. (1 Hour Cooldown)
When crafting blacksmithing armor or weapons, there's a chance it will be given the "Indestructible" property.
might be nice if the waist legs gets that, save alittle G.
steel mauve
spell reflect reduces the damage of void lash yes
main vault
That’s old news
thorny laurel
Is this M+ week utter garbage or is it just me?
hollow thorn
Its fine
thorny laurel
Maybe it was the disc priest and grievous
but this week feels as pure aids compared to last
warm plinth
In my experience, the average disc priest has always had a hard time with grievous
trail whale
well last week was one of the easiest weeks. and this week is a fortified week. so yes it would feel more difficult
thorny laurel
well I prefer fortified weeks for pushing keys over tyrannical
warm plinth
Pretty much anything besides a disc priest probably 😂
somber dragon
disc has a shitty toolkit for "topping off"
outer dew
Anything not druid/disc
warm plinth
Not saying disc can't handle it; it just requires more effort than other healers, so your average one is going to struggle more.
thorny laurel
well this disc wasnt topping people of at all
he was just trying to keep healing a 4 stacked grievous on 5 people
warm plinth
Yeah that's just a recipe for disaster on grievous
crystal creek
ya hard to dps when shits dead and everyone is bleeding.
thorny laurel
while slowly dieing
main vault
Disc is shit for grievous
warm plinth
But I mean, if you get to 4-5 stacks, they basically have shadow mend to get you back up faster, which means if others are bleeding, they're waiting
It's just really hard to play catch-up with disc
thorny laurel
and any advice on caster mobs in sanguine and there are no corners around?
just leap out of range?
sand egret
time isn't super friendly with disc healing, as it requires some setup
personally, I save a int when I see mobs about to die, to ensure I can lock them out and move them before the pool kicks in
hollow thorn
@thorny laurel Swap to BDK and grip it
thorny laurel
yeah lul
sand egret
or be friends with a DK/Monk/Druid
hollow thorn
Disc this week is yikes
thorny laurel
alright looks like I have to have a certain comp then
Usually I just look for good players but that wont do then I guess
thorny laurel
well yeah mostly talking about the no disc priest topic
sand egret
oh yeah, it's rough times for disc in Griev
sand egret
i'd probably err on the higher ilvls if looking at only priest applicants
but tbh, i'm probably just going to gun for a MW this week
stone cloud
Druid used to be good
Tbh shammy (I know I know) is actually pretty strong this week
warm plinth
We were talking about healers; shamans can be healers? 😂
stone cloud
Their mastery is actually real good this week
stone cloud
Heal for more on lower hp targets
It’s actually the perfect counter to grevious
Well the best at least
uneven mason
in raiding SLT makes up for a whole lot of other crap hah
sand egret
yeah, their mastery is basically designed to combat greivous haha
hushed cobalt
S.cov for disc is a great way to uae if your group has 2-3 stacks. Unless people are way beyond spread out
merry cave
Slt is a trap this week though lol
oblique garnet
I thought this was warrior discord
merry cave
Nah it's now a healer one captain buzzkill
oblique garnet
but yeah definitely dont bring disc priest for grievious week
cinder monolith
is there a link to race sims for prot warr anywhere?
cinder monolith
F
daring marlin
mastery that works best on low hp=counter to grievous? doesn’t exactly help with topping off. lol
marble cipher
Anyone got some good mouseover macro's for raid targets? Mine doesn't seem to reliably work.
/run SetRaidTarget("mouseover", 2);
sometimes works, sometimes doesn't
sometimes I can use to toggle the mark on and off, sometimes I can't get it off anymore
cinder monolith
if you dont mind me asking, whats the reasoning behind sims not working for prot warr?
just curious
fierce juniper
The prot part of the warrior module hasn't been updated/fixed
i.e. the actual code/implementation isn't there
@marble cipher i've never not had that macro work for me
sand egret
@daring marlin it's a counter because grevious requires the target to spike above 90%. Having singular heals be more effective the lower they are makes the task of catching up lower health pools (due to mastery scaling) that much easier.
greivous can also be looked at as a different form of healing reduction, in many respects.
is also why it's very punishing for RDruid, since they don't have burst of heals and therefore "spiking" that threshold is more gcd intensive, which is what greivous punishes
wintry gulch
By that logic Holy Priest is the ultimate counter because grevious can barely or not at all outpace their mastery. Its not a compelling argument when Mastery is pretty much a bandage to make up for their lack of forward potency. Its more about amount of casts to negate then move on and no, Shaman Mastery does not suddenly propel their heals to a Holy Shock or Serenity spike. It does help though. But counter is a wild exaggeration.
marble cipher
@fierce juniper k, must be me messing it up then fatfingering 😉
With a prot + bdk combo, who is best for off tanking Fetid?
dusk locust
prot main bdk off
marble cipher
And just try and keep SB rolling with LS thrown in?
dusk locust
ya
eventually you get a sense of when he's going to cast, so you try not to blow shield block
marble cipher
I know the fight well enough, but I might go into M reclear with my warrior in stead of my monk, so I'm doing a bit of research just in case
On monk it's just dodge galore 😂
vast anvil
is that trait that gives you more dodge and then increases your shield slam dmg a BIS trait?
looking at logs of some people they have the aura of it for an entire boss fight
Called Brace for Impact
keen galleon
Well the cooldown on shield slam is less than 9 seconds
And the buff lasts 9 seconds
And shield slam is our highest priority ability
And our other abilities reset it.
So one would expect the buff to have 100% uptime
Of at least one stack
vast anvil
Is there another key one to have besides that one and the one that lenghtens demo
demoralizing shout
keen galleon
I mean that one isn't a key one to have?
vast anvil
🤔
keen galleon
Having 100% uptime doesn't make it important.
It just means it has 100% uptime
Deafening Crash is important on one piece. Bastion of Might is strong offensively. Some folks are experimenting with iron fortress.
vast anvil
How can you test to see if that extra block is worth it
like if you take brace for impact and you can get iron fortress
keen galleon
You can't, we don't have a sim profile and defensive simming is impossible anyway.
vast anvil
block goes to a % and not a number
keen galleon
You could run a copy of brace for impact, log yourself, and see how many stacks of the trait you average
It should be like 1.3-1.5 stacks I'd imagine
You could then multiply that by the base block rating and say "this gives more block rating on average than iron fortress"
That said iron fortress likely does more damage than brace since you likely block more times than you shield slam.
vast anvil
I'm wondering if the stakcing like 160 -180 from brace and then the 190 always from iron fortress would be extremely good for the spec
Did you say that deafening crash wasn't a good must-have trait to have or did I misread
keen galleon
I meant that brace wasn't a must have trait
vast anvil
ah thank you
sand egret
@wintry gulch I would agree/disagree. Yeah, I think Holy Priest mastery can be argued to negate it in that sense, but the distinction I'm making is from more of a conceptual point. Specifically, that shaman mastery scales inversely with your targets health pool. I say "counter" in more of the sense that it specifically addresses the situation that Grevious creates, a plate-spinning process that scales with the targets level. Echo of Light will always heal the target for the same amount on a given heal, whether they're at 1% hp or 89%. The fact that Deep Healing a) scales with your targets missing health and b) is instant which is why I think it applies most directly to what Greivous brings. I am not saying that they have the strongest spike heals, just that their mastery overall fits with the damage profile.
keen galleon
Though I think there's an argument to be made that the best defensive meta will be 1x crash 2x brace/fortress and 3x brace/fortress
Basically 1x crash then 3 and 2 of brace/fortress in whatever combo you can manage
Both chest and shoulders have an azerite piece that let's you take both brace and fortress on the same piece
And the shoulders even have Gemhide to boot
That's very strong.
In reality most people will probably aim for 1x crash 3x bastion 2x general dps trait
Cuz if you're playing a warrior there's a decent chance it's because you live for pressing thunderclap every 1.8s. LOL
vast anvil
Yes. Can confirm thunderclap is slapped
Is the rotation of keeping shield up to use Last stand whenever you are out of shield charges or every like 3-5 (giving time for recharge)
not on my warrior right now so I dont know the recharge time but there has to be a certain cap so even at the highest haste there has to be a certain rotation of raise shield and last stand
swift pier
hey guys, new to prot. whats stat priority for 8.1?
vast anvil
Ilvl->haste
vast anvil
swift pier
found it ty
vocal nimbus
@ me
daring marlin
:^)
daring marlin
sir I challenge you to fisticuffs
vocal nimbus
i refuse
vast anvil
Has anyone done a key this week 10+?
Tried an easy key, or so I thought FH 11 but even in the first mobs I was getting smacked
Is it just a too-bad-so-sad week because of grievous?
sand egret
did a FH 10 last night and it was a breeze
so i dunno, fort sucks tho and thats going to have the biggest impact per smack. Maybe your healer wasnt doing a good job keeping up/dps standing in green shit procing too many GWs?
vast anvil
Was a disc with a troll trinket at 360 ilvl
warm plinth
Disc 🙃
warm plinth
Disc is literally the worst healer you can have for grievous, especially if they're not a fantastic healer to begin with.
vast anvil
I was 378 and healer was 360 disc, i think usually he was 375 at least but he had a ilevel 100 trinket equipped
sand egret
yeah...i mean thats my ilvl as well
warm plinth
Yeah regardless of ilevel, if he's not amazing at being proactive, it's going to be a struggle. Especially in a PUG with random DPS that are going to take avoidable damage.
vast anvil
we were in a discord haha
sand egret
yea....
warm plinth
Doesn't change anything if multiple people are taking damage that they shouldn't take.
sand egret
yeeep
warm plinth
If you have 3 people with GW ticking, it's going to be really hard for a disc priest to catch up
vast anvil
I can attest to not being in some of those puke and blood mechanics
but the grievous wounds was rough
on top of the mob damage
warm plinth
It's probably more that they had to focus too much on other people and you fell behind
And once you get 3-5 stacks of Grievous on multiple people, you're playing catch up, which is something Disc does not excel at.
sand egret
exactly
vast anvil
it was rough man I took the first pack of the big slapper boy and the two rogue-NPC's and I was getting pecked hard
ruby berry
@vast anvil I love when people flame me that I don't know x or y. I've been a successful high end tank longer than most people have played the game, them raging just exposes their own inadequacies. Definitely not your fault!
vast anvil
@ruby berry LOL not the same for me but I get called shit daily and I know where I stand
I just felt like this one dungeon was my mistake
sand egret
if you still have those Details!, id check out GW in damage taken
warm plinth
Well, can't say for sure you didn't make mistakes, but people do tend to flame others when they are having issues themselves, to take the attention away from them.
sand egret
esp on weeks like grevious where its harder to point to a singular problem
warm plinth
You can't really do anything about Grievous as a warrior though. We have a smooth damage intake so as long as they're keeping up like they should be, and you're mitigating damage like you should be, then it should be fine.
If they fall behind or you fuck up, that's a whole other story.
sand egret
yeah we deal with it by being able to stay at 90+ % for that much longer.
since we cant really deal with it other than VR and LS (?) once we have it on us
vast anvil
I was getting burned like 100-40 in 4 or 5 seconds
and I was like AM I SUPPOSED TO BLOW IT ALL ON THIS 3 PACK
but also I was seriously questioning how fast I was supposed to stifle GW with ignore pain
warm plinth
LS is probably the last thing you should go for (since increasing max health would just make it harder for them to catch up), but if you're dying anyway you might as well.
vast anvil
Oh you are right I didn't think about grievous requiring 90% and the last stand health fortify
I might have them still I would have to log onto my warrior
most likely not
@sand egret
median wigeon
go take damage and t hen use LS, you might be surprised by the change in actual % health
warm plinth
I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect, but it's pointless to cast it in a situation where the healer is behind on Grievous and it's not going to bring you back above 90% because then they just have to heal more to get you past the threshold.
vast anvil
I think you are right, they would still have to catch up but they would have to heal a bigger percentage of your health if you took more damage after activating
-would have to heal up more bc GW
@sand egret I have the details still but the exact damage taken isnt showing up
warm plinth
Exactly, if it's not removing GW from you, it's hurting more than helping 99 times out of 100
Unless it gets you to like 85% or something and they have a heal coming already
median wigeon
just dont think you should have to worry about whether or not you should use LS,
sand egret
damn, yeah Im not actually sure what details displays in respect to GW, raczcar
daring marlin
Traitorsong
warm plinth
You know, something I haven't tried yet...back in the day you couldn't activate LS and Rallying Cry at the same time; is that still the case?
median wigeon
you can
warm plinth
Do they both work off of your actual max health, or would they affect the max health you have under the other buff?
cosmic cargo
it'll just be 1.3 * 1.3 * your regular max health
all that kind of shit is multiplicative
warm plinth
Yeah that's what I figured. Makes sense.
cosmic cargo
(in theory, haven't actually checked this specific case myself)
warm plinth
I mean, it would be pretty crazy if they went off the increased health. If you had 200k HP you could almost double it if it was the other way.
Not that you'd ever really need to do that, but just hypothetically
sick sentinel
I make a Cancel aura for Rally and LS for grievous
because I might need the block of the LS for like 4-5 sec
or I might be really low on health and I might NEED to get the healing of LS
main vault
People are so stupid
sick sentinel
I prefer popping LS before I get griev stacks though because I have more of health threshold to have a bigger window of non-grievous tanking
warm plinth
Yeah I feel like it makes more sense to do it that way in the case of Grievous; do it proactively instead of reactively
daring marlin
I feel like you guys are overthinking GW tbh
sand egret
^
sick sentinel
well my tactic for the past month is winging it
warm plinth
Not really. Just bullshitting honestly lol.
sick sentinel
I am just explaining what I did when I stuggled in mplus
sand egret
I feel like if the tick increase delta between LS up vs not is going to be the make or break whether you live or die, I'd wager to say that you probably got something else going wrong there
sick sentinel
I got my achivement, now I am bascially done, just doing a casual +15 for residuum
warm plinth
Yeah, if you have 200k max HP, and you're at 50% and need to go to 90, casting LS would reduce the healing needed to get to 90% by like 6k or something. Definitely not game-changing.
sand egret
nope, but would also give you that health then and there...to live through all the shit that is causing GW in the first place. I dunno, I think the idea that "LS is bad during GW since it makes it tick harder" is a tad misleading
not that anyone actually said that
sick sentinel
I use the cancelaura macro when I want to use a healthpot
sand egret
definitely a neat way to game it tho!
sand egret
well aren't you as chipper as an ornery squirrel today 😃
sick sentinel
LOL
modern brook
Honestly these kids get a 30% exp bonus, and sit at 120 on legion flight points
every zone
modern brook
horde isnt camping High mountain with 4 120's
horde has honor
allies have Saurfang fucking their wives
sand egret
my monk has other thoughts...
sharp night
warm plinth
I think it's hilarious to see everyone complaining about this shit, because now you know how we feel 😂
sand egret
got zone camped last time I played him in Stormheim
astral crystal
I love that the alliance is out in droves, makes the game feel like people actually play it
sand egret
so trust me, this shit goes both ways haha
modern brook
def doesnt
warm plinth
If you think horde never camps flight paths, or does anything douchey, you're so wrong.
sand egret
well cant argue that iron-clad logic 😃
astral crystal
Yeah early bfa we were the resolute aggressors
sick sentinel
can we talk about positive things?
modern brook
yeah like the horde
warm plinth
Tbf it's not really the 30% bonus making them camp flight paths though. That's definitely the weekly quest doing that.
sick sentinel
like, how amazing the dragon soul set bonuses were?
supple path
Set bonuses. One more thing that the alliance have taken from us.
somber dragon
i mean, that was a raid where you needed more raid cooldowns than healers could bring 😄
sand egret
i have such a love/hate relationship with set bonuses
sick sentinel
I had this discussion with a guy that I run mplus with
sand egret
so good, but so bad at the same time
warm plinth
I miss set bonuses. They were a cool thing to go after. The only change I would've made is that as soon as a tier is over, its set is disabled. Having to run 2 super low ilevel pieces of a previous tier to increase your DPS was moronic.
sand egret
the backwards part of sets was the worst, as was the realistic futility of gearing
but, the desire to augment your playstyle via items was sweeeet
esp since your spec could change independent of class changes due to set bonuses
but yeah love/hate
warm plinth
I wouldn't miss them as much if azerite traits were more impactful. Certain ones are incredible for certain specs, but none of them really feel any different. They obviously have pretty good effects in certain circumstances, but they don't change how you play 99% of the time, and I don't get a trait and go FUCK YEAH I GOT IT
supple path
Yeah azerite traits are horrible about being +gooder.
warm plinth
Like I used to for tier set bonuses
daring marlin
I feel that way
supple path
Set bonuses made you feel like you were getting something more than hitting 0.2% harder
somber dragon
perhaps the latter ones (3rd/4th tier this expac) will be more powah
warm plinth
Maybe. We'll see what happens
sand egret
so like here's the kicker....azerite was not intended to replace sets per se, in fact it was implemented to fill the void of the removal of sets
warm plinth
Like as our necklace gets stronger, we get more meaningful traits
sand egret
thinking they are sets just doesn't work
supple path
Well it doesn't really matter how you view it, everyone dislikes the neck from every angle.
warm plinth
I know they aren't intended to replace sets. But that's why I miss sets so much. Because the thing that filled the void didn't really do a great job of filling.
sand egret
I dont dislike the neck
sand egret
so let's not throw out "everyone"
daring marlin
😃
warm plinth
What about Diablo Immortal 😏
supple path
Okay, everyone who doesn't take stances that are based primarily on disagreeing with absolute statements rather than actual fondness for it.
daring marlin
I’m indifferent to the neck.
somber dragon
i have zero overall complaints about the neck, and only a few quibbles with azerite so far personally.
daring marlin
I’ll not care once 8.2 hits.
supple path
I've never heard someone say anything actually positive about it any point in WoW.
daring marlin
gimme concordance 2.0 baby
supple path
The best thing I've heard someone say is "I don't feel that negatively"
sand egret
i've never seen a midget ride a unicycle but i'm sure that is a thing
somber dragon
the neck is one less piece i have to have multiple of to have ideal stats!
that's a positive in my book
daring marlin
you know what
supple path
Do you hang out in World of Midgets Riding Unicycles craft?
Because I'd expect Wow to be the place people mentioned liking it
daring marlin
yes
stone crag
yes
supple path
Yeah, nothing cooler than complaining about complaining.
daring marlin
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