protection

[sick sentinel]

1 seed to spread corr -> UA cleave

Agony mobs that will stay alive

[sand egret]

pretty sure ANY orc could deadlift more than me.

[primal crypt]

I can deadlift you

[lusty grotto]

Don't forget Tauren

[modern brook]

be orkier

[sick sentinel]

What about that dude who lifted that giant tree

The mountain from got

[modern brook]

he played warrior

in GoT

so

[main vault]

Dont have to lift a tree if you burn it down

💪

[inland mesa]

I can pick you up with a nice meal, flowers, and some designer Jean's ;)

[sick sentinel]

How morally grey of you

[primal crypt]

A man's man

[sand egret]

i dunno bull, he was doing some skullbashin there

[modern brook]

burning the tree was the best decision wow has ever made

[primal crypt]

Alpha male.

[keen spire]

😦

[primal crypt]

Long live the mountain

[modern brook]

trees are dumb

[keen spire]

Considering most of them lack sentience, this is true

However, there are a few trees in Azeroth that may disagree

Which would disprove your erroneous assertion

ya fuck

😃

[inland mesa]

I'll burn the tree if it gets me a pet or mount I don't have to buy at 50% for the going away for a bit sale

[keen spire]

lol

going away for a bit

that's funny

[modern brook]

sentient trees are double dumb

I'd say fight me

but they're stuck in the ground

[keen spire]

got'em

[modern brook]

like an idiot

[inland mesa]

it's being locked away in the Disney vault ok

[keen spire]

xD

[inland mesa]

so they can rerelease teldressil as a talking sentient tree

[somber dragon]

i put some ashes from teladressil in my dragonbreath chili

for texture 😄

[steady slate]

is there anything i should watch out for with this week's affixes? any particular class combinations to avoid or use?

[uneven mason]

Here I am as a Dark Iron looking at the elves QQing about the tree being on fire, being all like "Looks comfy to me, bitches I GREW UP IN A VOLCANO"

Uh, take 3 boomkin and a MW monk

3 Boomkin with resto affinity

laugh the keys off

[steady slate]

sounds like a winning plan

[uneven mason]

no meme

3boomkin and MW monk

Sanguin don't mean shit when everyone has enough knockbacks to flip cars

[steady slate]

i can probably come up with a MW

[uneven mason]

and Greivious is lol when trees

TREES EVERYWHERE

and when all 3 of your DPS

are just passively healing everyone else

[modern brook]

I always though trees were 15 durration

and my dream was 4 boomkin + healer

but its actually 10 and my life was ruined

[uneven mason]

dude 3 boomkin is like 100% effective uptime on trees

I want to try and do keys with 5 boomkin

my druid is 378

whos in?

[modern brook]

mines 116

im up for it

[uneven mason]

Think I'ma take the 23rd off

use a vacay

Also

Bursting wit hthat new affix

first week its up

gonna be some fun shit

"gotta kill trash twice, and it all DoTs the snot out of you"

[keen galleon]

There won't be any reason to push that week though

You do 1 ten then farm 5s.

[oblique garnet]

Why would you farm 5s?

you farm 10s

[keen galleon]

Cuz it will be the first week of the season. Mythic won't be out yet. They'll cap it at 4.

5*

Just like they did every raid launch before this one in m+

Ilevel caps at normal mode until mythic opens the next week.

[lusty grotto]

Hmm

You might be right but for those of us pushing ranks and io

[keen galleon]

I'm planning 2 days of PTO for the week of the 29th, not the week of the 22nd.

[lusty grotto]

It might worth it doing 10s

[keen galleon]

Since that also aligns with raging/volcanic/tyrannical

[lusty grotto]

Plus lots of gear and upgrades

[keen galleon]

Aka best push week in the game.

Farming 5s is much better than grinding 10s out if loot is capped at 5.

[lusty grotto]

The real problems is if reaping is balanced or not

[keen galleon]

There's no reason to do dungeons more than 2x as hard for same ilevel.

[lusty grotto]

io

And if you can do it

Why not

[keen galleon]

You said "lots of gear and upgrades "

If you want lots of gear and upgrades you farm 5s.

[stark sage]

the reason is dick measuring through io

[lusty grotto]

You know you get more gear for higher keys if completed right?

[keen galleon]

Only over 10

[lusty grotto]

That's what we're talking about here

[mental knoll]

That it was whatever is over the current cap

Which at that point would be 5’s

[keen galleon]

If you expect to be clearing 11+s on week 1 of the new season then you can definitely grind out 2 5s faster.

Nope.

That's not how it works doit.

[mental knoll]

Oh

[keen galleon]

It's keys over 10

[lusty grotto]

5s random loot for random people, chested 11 and 4 of your guys get loot

[mental knoll]

Good to know

[keen galleon]

Uhhhh

No nim.

[lusty grotto]

Uhh yes

[keen galleon]

3 of your guys get loot and 1 has a 40% chance

[oblique garnet]

the higher key you do on time more loot you get

[keen galleon]

You legit don't even know how key loot works??

[lusty grotto]

Why are we being passive aggressive

[keen galleon]

It's 40% per key level over 10.

Uh... because you've had 4 different wrong arguments to support a bad idea.

[lusty grotto]

Some of us like to push io

And there's more loot

It's not an idea

[sick sentinel]

supposed to keep aspix and adderis seperated right or am i missing something there?

[lusty grotto]

It's our opinion on what to do

You're free to disagree

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel Yes otherwise you cant do anything

cant thunderclap etc

[keen galleon]

If your group is good enough to do 11s, I 100% guarantee you can do 5s faster for more loot. But hey, whatever.

If you're dead set on pushing on a bad week instead of a good one, you do you

[sick sentinel]

the group i was in litterally told me to group them together, so they could AOE, and then said i was bad tank

[oblique garnet]

yeah the group you were with were mongos

[sick sentinel]

but i was seperating them anyhow

[lusty grotto]

There are no bad weeks for pushing, we're not MDI here

[steady slate]

my group has a bunch of unmotivated, lazy bastards. if 5s grant the max loot ilvl, then that's all they're willing to do

[lusty grotto]

20s are seldom spoken about here

[zinc mauve]

to be fair, grevious is pretty annoying to play against

[steady slate]

hell, i'd be tickled just to get 10s done in time

[oblique garnet]

Idk why the loot would be capped tho

[steady slate]

it's tied to the raid tier

[oblique garnet]

Yeah well heroic is also open it drops 400

[zinc mauve]

lizard doesnt want people doing only mythics to gear up

[steady slate]

on a new raid, mythic opens up a week after the raid, so mythic+ loot won't be any higher than normal

[oblique garnet]

actually pointless to do any keys then

normal is 385

[steady slate]

it's not pointless

well, it may be pointless. you get out of it what you're willing to put into it

[zinc mauve]

380 pants with a socket, not bad

[steady slate]

congrats

[zinc mauve]

better than getting another big red button

[inland mesa]

I thought they cap'd M+ loot for the first week at 385 and then mythic week it drops 400 from a 10 and can WF, as method took a break to go farm gear from M+ for fetid didn't they?

[modern brook]

the week that mythic opens will probably be 10=15 in loot

like theyve done in the past

[sand egret]

@sick sentinel that's probably because the wowhead guide says to group them. it doesn't account for the M+ scaling on Lightning Shield turning it from negligible to lethal. Sounds like you were just with a bunch of derps.

[uneven mason]

@sick sentinel Cleaving those 2 is a good way to get exploded instantly

I'm going to go with your DPS are idiots

[sick sentinel]

probably, i'm over those fools anyhow

[uneven mason]

Like the only time I hit the glowy one is when I'm on my DK and I want runic power with AMS up

and even then 2 hits and it eats AMS

[sand egret]

but yeah, definitely split those fucks

or your blade dancing DH is going to evaporate

poor Rag DH

just had no idea

[uneven mason]

TFW the DH eyebeams

and hits the glowyone

[sand egret]

YEP.

[uneven mason]

instant death

[lusty grotto]

Listen

He didn't even die to that

[uneven mason]

just don't

[lusty grotto]

He died to tornados

[uneven mason]

bring

wat?

[lusty grotto]

Swirly windy things

The azralon dh

Oh, you're not talking about my story this morning

[sand egret]

nope

but still funny so I'll take it

[lusty grotto]

OK carry on

[sand egret]

I like cyclone strike because it's pure idiot-test now

you have like multiple ways to dodge it now

left right or back

[inland mesa]

we lost 2 dps and a healer to it last night on our 15 😦

[sand egret]

or front actually

[steady slate]

yeah, i fail it more often than i care to admit.

i have problems seeing the cyclones

[sand egret]

the requirement is literally: don't be in the same place

what's your vfx settings at?

[steady slate]

7

[sand egret]

particle density?

[inland mesa]

crank that shit up to 11

[steady slate]

not sure. what should it be set at?

[sand egret]

wind effects are more prone to this than most

as they tend to use subdued palletes

[steady slate]

i have problems seeing cyclones, the slams on the last boss in shrine, and a few other things like that

the slams are a bit easier to pick out

[sand egret]

ground effects for sure is a setting you want cranked if you can afford to

wind is tough but it should help a bnit

[steady slate]

i'll take a look at my settings when i get home

[sand egret]

may be worth to have an instance-only setting if it strains your comp

[steady slate]

i don't see a reason why i shouldn't be able to run cranked out with a 2700x and a vega56

[sand egret]

yeah you should be fine lol

[inland mesa]

the DH in my group also chronically DCs since 8.1, feels like legion eyebeam

[lusty grotto]

Tentacle slams are hard to see for me too

But not cyclone

It's cause that shit room is purple

[sand egret]

those are especially bad

[steady slate]

the dh in my group sometimes comes on his mage. it's pretty painful. he's a good dh and a terrible mage

[sand egret]

but that's a post-proc problem

esp in the "Shadow realm"

[lusty grotto]

Right blade

[sand egret]

since you get a post-proc overlay

nightmare of my life for the last game I worked on

shakes fist

[lusty grotto]

Should be easier to just put a goddamn red thing

Or yellow

Idk

[sand egret]

you'd think

but that's why its a PITA

since its the post-proc that's causing the problem

not the actual makeup

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[somber dragon]

ts is definitely one of the harder things to notice

[inland mesa]

Currently the plan is to have the PTR up soon with Season 2 active within it. This build will also contain the new Seasonal Affix Reaping and you guys will be able to check that out finally

Less than 2 weeks of testing, what could go wrong?

[sick sentinel]

guys

how much azerite for a 385

is it 185?

or 180

uh.

how much residuum.

ugh

[daring marlin]

165 for a rando

[sick sentinel]

I got BoM shoulders

[stone cloud]

165

[sick sentinel]

instead of DC shoulders

this is the worst

[daring marlin]

go do mad deeps

nbd

[sick sentinel]

this is the worst trade deal

no

because my shoulders are already dc

[daring marlin]

:^)

welp

[stone cloud]

370 dC?

[sick sentinel]

355

actulaly you're right

thank you

it's not 45 ilvls anymore

[hollow thorn]

not even 33 smh

[stone cloud]

The BOM is better

[sick sentinel]

I will do stromgarde though

cus I could get 370 DC

yes ik

I'm just bummed I didn't get DC

[stone cloud]

Defensive traits

[sick sentinel]

ya

i like staying alive

[stone cloud]

Don’t need to worry bout that if things ded

[sick sentinel]

if I wanted DPs I'd go heed my call tho

because heed my call is bonkers

oh shit

BoM + 390 knot

[stone cloud]

Too bad knot is garbage

[sick sentinel]

uhh

[stone cloud]

So low budget

[sick sentinel]

which knot are you thinking of

[stone cloud]

The world boss?

[sick sentinel]

surely you aren't thinking of the 700 crit knot

[stone cloud]

Invus

[sick sentinel]

you are very sorely mistaken if you think knot is garbo

[stone cloud]

The Crit it gives is a lot less then a trinket if it’s ilvl

[sick sentinel]

it's 714 crit on a 1min cd

it's not a great raid trinket

but it's an amazing M+ offensive trinket

[stone cloud]

A 370 butchers block is like the same crit

[sick sentinel]

it's also a random proc

and not reliable

[stone cloud]

I run 385 rezans and 375 vial with a socket

[sick sentinel]

I run 390 knot 370 syringe+socket

[stone cloud]

Knot might be okay for warrior but alas no sims on bloodmallet to even think

[sick sentinel]

knot is great

[stone cloud]

I could see it with AM

I suppose

I just know it’s literally shit for pally/DK

[surreal tendon]

hey guys, anyone tested on https://www.wowhead.com/item=166976/emblazoned-alchemist-stone, how good this is versus say fathoms or rezans' gleaming?

[uneven mason]

its good for prot

for DPS, eh

others are probably better.

[sick sentinel]

the thing with knot

and us

is that it's on demand almost always within 5s of avatar

knot almost completely doubles your crit every min with avatar

it's got an incredible synergy for AoE dps

[somber dragon]

and in situations where many things are mele-ing, parry does get stronger than on ST

those sweet sweet revenge procs

[stone cloud]

I think vial still better

Realistically tho

[somber dragon]

realistically, you play with what you've got 😄

[stone cloud]

Prot you could run double on use

Since cd’s are up that often

[sick sentinel]

just realized

these shoulders are dope for m+ too

[stone cloud]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

as fury

has PB

[stone cloud]

Mastery = hype

[sick sentinel]

which would mean 2x 385 PB

2x385 PB > 1x370 SR

[stone cloud]

PB? Ummmmm

[sick sentinel]

so with IR

dab

ye

pulverizing blows

[stone cloud]

Oh

I’m unlucky and don’t have that

[sick sentinel]

I have two :p

390 chest and 385 shoulders

with 390 UF helm

[stone cloud]

My fury set is tyrannical slayer mode lmfao

2x the auto attack one and 1 of the real ones

Reck*

[sick sentinel]

that's garbage :>

hope u get better traits soon :c

[stone cloud]

Like I said ST tho it’s pre good

[sick sentinel]

theoretically

[stone cloud]

In 14’s and 15’s I was getting like 2recks easy and was getting about 10-15% dmg from the trait

Essentially free dmg

[sick sentinel]

AM + RF in M+ is legit

but it' not necessarily better

still good

[stone cloud]

Reckless fury?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[stone cloud]

Y’all use so many abbreviations lol

[sick sentinel]

reckless flurry

[stone cloud]

Ya

Was still using SB

Cause teeming

Won’t matter tho getting the sweet mythic farm funnel tonight

2dk’s 2 pallys and 2 warriors

[cinder nova]

We can solo Doom's Howl boys

[stone cloud]

Gimme that plate boi

Wait wot

[cinder nova]

Ye

Just gotta make sure you space out killing adds

Otherwise you just eventually get chipped to death

[silk moat]

This week’s affixes for us .... tough or not so bad

[plain ice]

i'd say more "annoying" than "tough"

[inland mesa]

but are we viable?

[plain ice]

pls

[inland mesa]

XD

[plain ice]

hahaha

just bring a MW, boomkin, DK. nothing will ever stand in sanguine 🙃

all with engineering belts too

[daring marlin]

viable

[cinder nova]

Can also solo Ivus

But you gotta be really careful about spacing out killing the deer adds in the treeline around his clearing

[uneven mason]

Yeah, world bosses don't do enough hurty stuff as long as we got a supply of tasty Victory Rush adds

[primal crypt]

Why would you solo ivus lol

Just queue into a group

[inland mesa]

I have no friends, that's why

[primal crypt]

Group finder is your friend

[inland mesa]

Will you be my friend? We can duo it :)

[primal crypt]

No

[raven pebble]

Anyone got a video of a solo?

[primal crypt]

Im working

[sick sentinel]

My weekly chest. Sadly it also came with Super Diabetes. And AIIIIIDS!

[inland mesa]

but it has leech

[sick sentinel]

Which is why I clapped

I clapped when I saw it

[warm plinth]

Are you happy now Intense? Since the Temple thing has been fixed?

[sick sentinel]

Did anyone get banned?

[warm plinth]

What if I say yes

[sick sentinel]

Then yes

[warm plinth]

They probably didn't though

[inland mesa]

where did they say they fixed that?

[warm plinth]

They didn't, but it's fixed.

[sick sentinel]

Its undocumented, because they knew

[inland mesa]

why does lindsay lohan need her own show

[sick sentinel]

Why dont I

[inland mesa]

I'd watch your show before hers

[sick sentinel]

I think a lot of people would enjoy watching paint dry over lohan

[inland mesa]

is that....a sex thing?

[sick sentinel]

Nope

Unless u want it to be

[inland mesa]

maybe before all the drugs

[tropic star]

380 jes, 385 knot, 390 syringe

[sick sentinel]

knot/syringe

[tropic star]

even for raid

dunno if jes would be better in raid setting and knot for the yolodps in m+

[signal plover]

Man gimme Herbie version of Lohan anyday

[tropic star]

got 380 vial as well

[fallen hornet]

so im sure you guys have heard this a lot lately but as prot how much is a socket worth on say your boots

[compact dock]

anyone got a good intercept macro on mouseover > target which also works on enemy/friendly?

[open bluff]

/cast [@mouseover] Intercept

[dusky fern]

Is it possible to off tank mythic fetid at 366 ilvl?

[compact dock]

but then I have to mouseover no?

or does it do target when no mouseover

[raven pebble]

yeah shield block all his thrashes

oh wait mythic lol

idk

[astral crystal]

#showtooltip intercept
/use [@mouseover,help,nodead][@target,help,nodead][@target,harm,nodead] Intercept

[compact dock]

ty

[potent anvil]

you can just do
/use [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intercept; Intercept

itll obey the mouseover, if not then intercept normally

aka your target

[compact dock]

the above worked aswell, but ty:)

[potent anvil]

could also use exists instead of help or harm and you can mouseover both. i think its preference

[sick sentinel]

@fallen hornet a socket can be worth 5-10 ilvls on a majority of pieces

@tropic star the reason for knot/syringe is because howler cd is too long of a cd to be worthwhile even if u want to look at purely defensive

[dusky fern]

How much does an enraged thrash on mythic fetid hit for with shield block up? Deciding if i can bring my alt into reclear

[stark sage]

i wanna say like 180k

[oblique garnet]

150-180k

[dusky fern]

And that would be normal, not crit block?

[oblique garnet]

yes

and no

[dusky fern]

so 366 might be tad too low for m fetid off tanking then?

[oblique garnet]

yeah

maybe mt

but not ot

actually

Idk could be doable havent Offtanked fetid in a while

[dusky fern]

Thanks for the info 😃

[sick sentinel]

You could try doing off tank heroic fetid

See how it feels there and make a guess if u want mythic

[main vault]

If your healers are decent should be fine tbh

And depends how much of a spaz you are

[broken roost]

49 Avoidance vs a socket?

Dunno how much value ~1% aoe DR has hah

[stark sage]

sock is much better

avoidance is nice but not worth more than a socket

[broken roost]

alrighty sweet - I'm always down for more haste

thanks

[drowsy relic]

Hmm is it me or is no one going to push this week lol

Sanguine + grevious makes prot war useless

[tacit smelt]

As a tank we should be pushing regardless of affix

[sick sentinel]

Its not our greatest week

We have no way to counter Sanguine compared to most tanks

@sick sentinel sry

[stark sage]

sanguine is more annoying

[stark sage]

makes face tanking really hard

[sick sentinel]

i want that hook

also ye

tbh

i'd recommend bringing a mw monk

Dont bring a balance

cause WHOOPS TREE IN POOLS

[stark sage]

trents how have you betrayed me

[sick sentinel]

bursty heals + with comm, ring of peace is an invaluable mob control utility

Also my hook belonds to me sadly

😦

I want your shoulders

I got 6 pieces of mog today though

The tmog or?

so I'm stylin

no

385 DC op

Yup

I have 385 BoM 😦

Tried to roll for my 2nd 385 BoM chest, nothing

But if I want to live the dream, IFx3 now lol

I want triple iv

right now i only have 1

I can do double IV

[sand egret]

healing goes up ~7-9% overall with 2x vs 1

[sick sentinel]

2xAotT 1xBoM is my current 😭

worst game

lol

t r i p p l e 390 b o m

[marble cipher]

this one for prot? Or

[silk moat]

Feather most of the time, vial if you’re doing lower keys

[marble cipher]

k, was what I was thinking, feather lines up better with avatar cd too, that's always nice

[sick sentinel]

feather + BoM

pogger

[marble cipher]

yeah, that's what I'm running 😄

[molten scaffold]

Okay, I've got a bag full of trinkets and I'm not 100% on what's best to be using.

I've got a 355 Deck: Blockades, 355 Prism of Dark Intensity (Mastery, Strength proc), 350 Dread Glad's Badge (Vers, Strength On-Use), 360 Syringe of Bloodborne Infirmity (Strength, DoT + Crit proc), 350 Jes' Howler, 355 Deck: Fathoms, 365 Dread Glad's Emblem (Strength, HP On-Use), and a 370 Vanquished Tendril.

Short of just suggesting/telling me what to use, what can I do/where can I look in case I have a similar question in the future -- don't want to keep buggin' the channel every time I get a drop, lol.

[oblique garnet]

yikES had to solo the last part of underrots last boss

[open bluff]

Smartass answer: you could fix up prot warr in simc then sim it
Legit answer: ask here or check bloodmallet for prot pal/bdks for dps; str trinkets are pretty similar for all three tanks in my experience, with a few exceptions here and there (eg vial because of lining up with avatar)

[keen spire]

Avalith

the quicker smartass answer would've been:

[open bluff]

true but if he's asking here often enough to feel like he's bothering us it's not unreasonable to assume he knows the state of prot sims

[sick sentinel]

@molten scaffold the icyveins guide has a list of trinkets

[molten scaffold]

Cool, thanks.

And yeah, sorta. I know that prot simming doesn't work, I don't quite know why, lol

[main vault]

Can’t sim without an APL

[sick sentinel]

Can't sim without people

APL is the easy part

Procs don't change priority

SS > TC > revenge > devastator

[vocal nimbus]

Writing down the optimal priority is the hardest part

[sick sentinel]

It's not

Prot priority is relatively simple

Compared to, say, assa rogue or shadow priest

Isn't shadow priest apl just delete character, create warlock?

The reason prot doesn't have sims is simple

1. Nobody is working on it

[steel mauve]

Just no one wants to do it and the one guy that is has too much to do so its on a list

[sick sentinel]

2. The module is outdated

It was poorly maintained in the first place in legion

[steel mauve]

Some one is working on it in a sense but its on a list for later

[sick sentinel]

Melekus is

I have like 1 commit to prot simming

[molten scaffold]

If I may, what does apl stand for?

[warm plinth]

Action Priority List

It's what tells sim craft what buttons to theoretically press, and when.

[molten scaffold]

Ah, I see!

[dark junco]

lol

So much for rework: ''Hardened by battle, your Stamina is increased by 45%, and your armor is increased by 55%60% of your Strength.''

[stone cloud]

feels good 385 desert guard chest

eze clap

[final mist]

APLs are easy, and basically anyone can write them (I've written them, others have, etc). The problem is that the backend of SimC isn't updated or maintained.

It'll be finished when it's finished, basically.

[warm plinth]

@dark junco What are you referring to?

[somber dragon]

like, how bad is the backend?

[sick sentinel]

Bad enough that we can't make a simc for prot warriors

[final mist]

It hasn't changed from Legion, last I checked.

[somber dragon]

sadly, while i have nothing but respect for c/c++ i fear both 😄

[final mist]

Like, I meme-simmed it at one point and T21 is "still" a DPS increase in SimC because it still has BC, and still has SS as having no CD.

Etc.

[main vault]

To write the apl the spell dump in simc has to be right

[warm plinth]

Well get on that shit Nexii

[main vault]

You can’t write effects into SimC, only commands. So if the spells/effects/etc are wrong, the apl means nothing

[olive lotus]

Man I hate sanguine weeks. So annoying

[dark junco]

@warm plinth PTR

Like our issue is physical mitig

Oh wait

[warm plinth]

Well to be fair, that's not an actual change. It's already 60% on live.

[dark junco]

I’m just waiting for an actual change to resub, but god there’s nothing

[warm plinth]

Yeah someone in uh...Acherus I think? was saying that those changes on that list of PTR notes were already live.

What are you hoping will change for warrior? We're in a pretty damn good spot right now.

[dark junco]

Utility

Any utility would get me back in

[finite gull]

Hey guys, How much is DC worth nowadays. I have a DC/heed/vamp speed chest. But I just got a Bastion of Might/carapace/Gemhide (also 15 ilvls higher)

[dark junco]

Brez, aoe taunt, banner, grab, tether, ranged pull, displace, aoe stun à-la Warbringer

Literally anything that’d improve gameplay and utility

At the moment, there’s no reason to bring a warrior over any other tank that can perform the same.

[supple path]

DPS is the big one.

[warm plinth]

We have a fuckload of DPS. That's a pretty good niche to fill.

[main vault]

Well ranged pull is heroic throw

AoE stun is there

[sand egret]

are we freaking out about the first build notes again? here we go...

[warm plinth]

D:

[sand egret]

the cycle begin anew

[main vault]

The rest of those are tools of other tanks

And aren’t that important

Since War is top in 3-4 dungeons now

[warm plinth]

I mean, the only thing it even mentions in the build notes about us is something that is already on live servers, so idk what there even is to freak about.

[sand egret]

thats the point....people freak when they don't see anything

[warm plinth]

Ah, gotcha

[main vault]

It’ll never get as bad as it was in beta

[sand egret]

esp on like a CL with only string changes

[warm plinth]

I thought this was beta

[sand egret]

it's like, bruh

[steep lily]

So with the ghuun changes, will spell reflect still prevent 100% of the damage even though its not dealing the damage back, or is it just 20%?

[warm plinth]

It's not reflectable at all, so it's just the normal DR. It'll still truck you through SR

[stone crag]

"will kill you through reflect..."

https://i.imgur.com/stEdud4.png

[main vault]

It’s true boys and girls

[sick sentinel]

Well, outta nowhere my guild invited me to their mythic raid

3/8, hopefully 4/8

[main vault]

Nice

[crystal creek]

Zandalari traits are starting to come up

[exotic tiger]

there's no way these racials are going live

at all

[ebon hound]

fully recover health over 4s, yeah nah

[exotic tiger]

even the kul tiran one

is REALLY good

[ebon hound]

Yeah the Haymaker looks crazy

[main vault]

Fuck

I have to change races now

[exotic tiger]

the zandalari ones aren't going live like that

kultiran, maybe

[sick sentinel]

They are

[main vault]

Bet they will

And who cares about ally

[sick sentinel]

I care about female kul tirans

And only female ones

[exotic tiger]

100% heal on a 90s CD? lmao nah

that's not broken at all

[sick sentinel]

For research

[main vault]

Only way people play ally now is if you give them double dmg

[exotic tiger]

even if its a typo, and supposed to be 2.5%/sec

that's still pretty big

[sick sentinel]

Don't forget, OG troll has a regen passive

[warm plinth]

Yeah but 10% health isn't broken. I mean, Draenei have 20% over 5 seconds (vs 10% over 4) with 3 min CD

[sick sentinel]

Its not far fetched for them to have something similar

[warm plinth]

I'm actually a little upset about Pterrordax Swoop

Like, why do you even need 2 minutes of slow fall lol

[main vault]

If it’s only 2.5% then fuck Blizz cause then Zandalari suck

The other racials are pretty bad

If that goes live, and your entire raid isn’t Zandalari, you are inting

[stone crag]

hmmm

so either it sucks or it's overpowered

[exotic tiger]

yup

[sick sentinel]

is 5 ilvl on a shield better than a socket on one?

[open bluff]

yes

[warm plinth]

Can't socket block

[open bluff]

^

[stone crag]

if only

[warm plinth]

Amen

[main vault]

You use to

:Pepehands:

[warm plinth]

Yeah, RIP 5% shield block value gems

[main vault]

And dodge and parry

[warm plinth]

And defense rating gems

😭

[main vault]

Remember when tanking took skill and effort

[exotic tiger]

nah leave that in the past

getting to 102.4% or wahtever

[main vault]

:Pepehands:

[exotic tiger]

was just annoying

[main vault]

Loved it

[stone crag]

keep trying, eventually you'll be able to pepehands

[warm plinth]

I mean, tbf I didn't have to worry about that shit lol

[main vault]

I refuse to let the server silence me

I will carry on

[warm plinth]

I was a feral druid tank until MoP; I couldn't be uncrushable anyway

I just ate the crushing hits like a man instead of like a bitch like every other tank

[main vault]

I mean

You did play feral though

So

[warm plinth]

That's why I talk big about it when they actually sucked. It's a habitual reflex.

[stone cloud]

395 syringe lmfao

[main vault]

I can’t complain about my chest

380-socket sword with haste

[warm plinth]

I didn't have a chest but I got a 385 knot and a 370 lion's strength with socket from the Arathi/Darkshore bosses a couple days ago.

Though I guess Lion's Strength is not that great.

Only 20 sec internal CD from the other one but can't line them both up with Ava 😦

[warm plinth]

Not bad at all

[main vault]

Need to farm azerite the next few days and get to 38

:azerite:

[stone crag]

eventually

[main vault]

Stop trying to silence me!!!

[warm plinth]

So I am not at home to look at it, but it seemed to me that Lion's Strength was actually a better buff than Knot (though obviously Knot lines up with Ava better). Since I'm essentially a fresh 120 and really have no choice but to use both, I bound Lion's with Ava and Knot with Demo.

[main vault]

Big yikes two on use

[warm plinth]

Yeah but they were massive ilevel increases. I had 270/280 shit in both sockets.

So I gotta deal with it for now

[stone cloud]

tbh as prot 2 on use prob isnt too bad

since cd's up so often

[warm plinth]

Yeah I figured DS is up so often that it'll do a decent job of catching Knot pretty close to on CD

And Avatar will get the bigger buff one

[sick sentinel]

Aye

4/8

Im up to prog with guild on vectis

[main vault]

Nice

[karmic halo]

Maybe a bad question, but is it ever worth taking the generic trait for the first ring? Or are all of the prot specific traits just best to go with even the lower ones in the list?

[sick sentinel]

Way better

[main vault]

War actually has good class traits

[sick sentinel]

Holy shit

Vectis is a nightmare

So much to watch for

THANK GOD IM ONLY A TANK

[main vault]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

Cause fuck, the calls the raid leads are doing are just like

U know, id rather never dps

Won't lie though

Mythic raiding does seem fun

[sick sentinel]

But I guess that comes from me doing M+ so much that constant attempts don't faze me, and also these bosses feel like fresh air and slapping me with squeaky toys compared to these 15+ bosses

[nova rover]

Hey guys, question for keys this week, blockades or the mithrax trinket? Mithrax is 370

[silk moat]

is this any good for us?

[astral crystal]

it sux

[silk moat]

its my new highest ilvl... BFImpact + Crystaline Carapace?

[warped hound]

wtf are those racials >.>

[fiery remnant]

alright guys

i quit wow when ip was on the global

[merry cave]

What a sad reason

[fiery remnant]

can i come back yet or does prot warr still feel like poop to play

i didnt have fun playing the game so why pay to not have fun

[astral crystal]

it's more fluid, but i dont think IP off the gcd completely revolutionizes prot warr gameplay

so if IP being on the GCD was the ONLY thing that made you quit, then your prayers have been heard

charge is off the gcd again as well

[primal crypt]

2.2% on ghuun

Feels bad

I have no idea what I'm doing lmao

Randomly asked to tank mythic ghuun second time lmao

[astral crystal]

just succ him

you dont do anything out of the ordinary unless you're running an orb

and soloing an orb is ez anyway

[fiery remnant]

@astral crystal thank you

[primal crypt]

They dont let me solo

Told me it's not good

It's too fast they say

[signal plover]

🤔

I guess if they're comfortable with their timing

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Im not saying nothing

But damn

So many people dead

In p3

[signal plover]

Honestly other than that it's pretty tank n spank

[primal crypt]

People running by me feared

Eating pizza slices like champions

[signal plover]

We just wiped for 3 hours tryina rekill for bench peeps

Didn't even make it to a boss hp where SR memes would have made a difference

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[signal plover]

Ppl just sick of the fight

Rdy for next tier

[astral crystal]

on the flipside

we had a really clean one night clear

2 and a half hours, felt good man

[signal plover]

Succ it

[primal crypt]

🍆

[silk moat]

heed my call... strength in numbers

[potent anvil]

you can still solo an orb and just wait until you actually have to dunk 🤔

[primal crypt]

🤔

[nova rover]

You know I practiced the solo run and Im either dumb or slow, I get stunned right mid charge in the last pustule all the time

[surreal stump]

leap down charge charge portal afk

[lavish oracle]

Y'all seen the Zandalari racials?

Regeneratin' (Active) - Regenerate 25% of your maximum health every 1 sec. Lasts 4 seconds. 1.5 min cooldown.

I have to assume this is canceled when you take damage right? That'd be nuts if it's just a 100% heal

[stone crag]

nope

doesn't get interrupted on damage taken

[astral crystal]

Probably wrong numbers

What’s pretty borked is the KT human racial

2% dmg taken back as heal is pretty damn nice

[sharp night]

people have tested on ptr, it's a 4 sec channel affected by vers, not interrupted by damage taken so it's literally just a full heal every 90s

or more than full heal with enough vers

[marble cipher]

that's.... overpowered tbf

[stone crag]

yes

[marble cipher]

same with the KT one

[main vault]

Enough vers?

It’s a full heal without any vers

[marble cipher]

let's push people into our new races, for statistics

[main vault]

So 0 is enough

[marble cipher]

well, since it's 25% every second, for 4 seconds, 0 vers should be enough 😄

[main vault]

Yes

[marble cipher]

kk, wasn't a question, I see that now, carry on!

[stone crag]

original comment was more than a full heal

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[main vault]

So even 1 vers point would make it more than a full heal

“More than a full heal with enough vers”

Literally any amount of vers

[warm plinth]

Yeah, he accidentally put the enough in there. He didn't say that in the other server he was talking about it. Just a brain fart.

[main vault]

Other than 0

[stone crag]

picking apart shit that doesn't need to be

[marble cipher]

pretty sure those numbers will still change though, cause that's a very valuable 90second heal on any class, but I can really see it used on tanks as well.
Kite a bit, leap/roll/ring of peace/horse, heal to full

[main vault]

Idk what is worse

The heal

Or the proc that’s like 59% more armor

[warm plinth]

Or the insane armor proc lol

[marble cipher]

what?

[main vault]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

There's a massive armor proc with a 20% uptime

[marble cipher]

O_o

[sharp night]

4.5k armor proc

[main vault]

Well

[sharp night]

1rppm, 12 sec uptime

[stone crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135842792499838986/532413377931378690/unknown.png

[main vault]

It’s 1ppm for 12sec

[sharp night]

so 20% uptime on avg, modified by haste

[marble cipher]

lol

[main vault]

Even better

Allies double dip

Pallies

[marble cipher]

that's it, if those numbers stay, my monk is going zandalari

[marble cipher]

that's like one of the possible "pray for the loa" buffs then?

[stone crag]

yes

[sharp night]

yeah

the way it works is you choose which buff you want

and then it procs

[stone crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135842792499838986/532419994965770250/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135842792499838986/532420028516139008/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135842792499838986/532420051957973004/unknown.png

[sharp night]

right now, anyway

[daring marlin]

fuck is that

[main vault]

They are anywhere from 1 to 3 ppm depending which one you pick

[sharp night]

movespeed one is permanent i think

others are rppm

[main vault]

So is Crit

[sharp night]

no the crit one is 1 rppm

for 12 sec duration

at least according to wowhead

[main vault]

The Crit one says until cancelled

[sharp night]

yeah but it's just a tooltip error

if you check the spelldata on wowhead it's 12 sec duration

with 1rppm

[marble cipher]

Wow does NOT have tooltip errors! EVER! /s

[main vault]

And wowhead doesn’t have spell data errors

I think they will change them all just because Alliance will cry

[marble cipher]

By the way, for those loa passives, you can pick which one you want? Or is it random?

[main vault]

...

[sharp night]

yes you can pick

[main vault]

You pick

[marble cipher]

interesting 😄

[sharp night]

you pick the one you want, and then it's either on (for movespeed) or a proc system

[main vault]

The KT ones look really good also though

Like Brush it off is busted

[ionic fern]

🤔

[sharp night]

yeah they look good for alliance, next to the zandalari ones they seem kinda lacking though lol

[main vault]

True

[ionic fern]

So..if the avg melee is 13k..it means that it will heal for what..260 over 4s?

[vast anvil]

Devastator or booming voice for uldir?

Boost #1 uses devastator

[stone crag]

are you boost

[vast anvil]

but everyone else says use booming voice

definitely not

just thought there was something im not seeing

[stone crag]

Deva is technically competitive on Single target for damage

[vast anvil]

but is it better than booming voice and that one amazing azerite trait

Deafening crash

and what do you mean by competitive?

like it is close in some cases in damage

[marble cipher]

It's probably better for ST parses. But it's an aids talent to play with (imo)

[eager phoenix]

How is 380 Merektha's Fang compared to Blockades? Third trinket option is 370 Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block. I recall there being a pin about trinkets but don 't see it now.

[vast anvil]

is blockades akin to fathoms?

[lavish oracle]

Merektha's is very bad

Go with the Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block

[marble cipher]

Bloodrite trait, or Bloodsport trait?
I read that bloodsport wasn't all that good, but, don't know if it's still better than a non-warrior trait or not (being Bloodrite)?

[lavish oracle]

Bloodsport is solid defensively

[marble cipher]

k, I'll stick to that then

icy veins seems to agree since non-warrior ring 1 traits aren't even mentioned

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, warrior traits outclass the generic ones in 95% of scenarios

Callous Reprisal might be the exception, but I tend to just avoid it as much as possible

[sick sentinel]

for defensive purposes yeah our spec traits are overall really good

and some of them are good for dps aswell such as bastion of might

[marble cipher]

Kk, thanks!

[strong forum]

The bliss of alliance being fucked over again with shit racials compared to horde

When will blizzard stop this favourism

Chance to gain 4k armor... Totally not beyond broken, even 1k is too much for a racial

[hollow thorn]

@strong forum You can seriously not talk about favourism when every alliance player is running around with 30% more rewards from WQs and shit while horde has 10%. Get the fuck out

[strong forum]

They introduced that cuz warmode simply wasnt an option for alliance cuz it was 10 horde vs 1 alliance player

[bronze lantern]

not true

[strong forum]

Yes it is

[bronze lantern]

i played ally aswell as horde in bfa

Ally always shit on horde

[hollow thorn]

Also, racial are trivial, and those numbers are from PTR, they are not set in stone. It even says "Embrace of the Loa (not finalized)"

[amber siren]

the bonus is based on the shards ratio, alliance continuously get the 30% bonus, not really sure how that's a lie

[hollow thorn]

If thats how it worked, why dont i have more than 10% more rewards when i am surrounded by 20 ally

[strong forum]

It is how it works

[sharp night]

4k armor is just at the default gear level, it scales with AP/vers (thus ilvl)

[strong forum]

The underrepresented faction in warmode gets 30% bonus the other gets 10%

[sharp night]

testing with ilvl 414 gear it procs for 40k hp and 6.5k armor

[strong forum]

Given there's a 8-2 horde to alliance ratio ( I assume) that's never gonna switch over to horde

[hollow thorn]

I have never seen the bonus switch even when there are far more alliance in my shard than horde, it may besupposed to swap, but it for sure isnt

[strong forum]

It swaps based on representation over the entire week, and as I said, since there's far more horde playing the game, you won't see it switch over to horde

[hollow thorn]

Well, then its obviously a really bad system

when it only gives the reward to one factoin

so they get 30% more ap from WQs than me

cus fuck having wm on

[sharp night]

there's more horde doing high end content but pretty sure numbers show there are moer alliance overall

at 120

[bronze lantern]

^Correct

[sinful bay]

is the keystone master achievement for one spec or can I go tank and dps for all mythic+ ?

[hollow thorn]

doenst mtter if uplay dps or tank no

just all 15s in time

[sinful bay]

ok good thanks

[candid ledge]

Is the 385 alchemy trinket worthy of upgrading Blockades?

[marble cipher]

imo, yes

it's really good, with a good uptime on the proc (20 ish % iirc) and the bonus on pots/healthstones is nice too

[echo egret]

WoW, Blizzard really is getting better at designing racials they won't ever be balanced no matter what !!!

stun+knockback, full regen to name a few

[candid ledge]

Crafted it last night and thought I fucked up because it simed less than Fathoms as fury. Wanted to know if it's worth as prot

The procrate is pretty great then

[amber siren]

i'd prefer racials to actually mean something than just boring passive effects, granted every racial should be interesting

[candid ledge]

Why, what's wrong with full Regen every 1 and a half min

[echo egret]

it's massively OP in certain contexts, like M+ ?

Arcane Torrent should have taught them a lesson

[ionic fern]

@bronze lantern ..idk what server you're on but over 2 servers i've leveled multiple alliance chars and you just can'd do quests cause horde are everywhere and alliance nowhere to be found..after my 3rd lvl 120 i just took warmode off cause it was faster to lvl that way than always corpserun.

[marble cipher]

I'm on the one of the biggest horde servers in EU (Draenor), and with sharding now, during assaults, there's at least an 85% chance to be constantly ganked by a raid of 20 alliance on each of the quests

[hollow thorn]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

same

[ionic fern]

Jeah, noiw that alliance has the 30% buff.

😂

[hollow thorn]

Draenor is hell

[marble cipher]

I love myself some world pvp, 1v1, or even 2v1 or group v group, but 20, 30, 40 versus 3....
spawncamping, flightpoint camping (looking at you "seekers vista")
That's just not enjoyable 😄

[hollow thorn]

Its not even WPVP anymore

Unless u always do WQs with a group of 5, you will get shat on by a 5 man ally group

[oblique garnet]

wdym deattu? I dont see any allies when im doing wqs on draenor

[dire wyvern]

dont really think server pop is that relevant anymore

just whatever shard you happen to end up on

[marble cipher]

true

[oblique garnet]

When you get placed into RP realms shard thats when everything goes wrong

[nova needle]

New to Tank (coming from pure DPS)- How do we sim for Tank? For DPS I would just sim all my current gear to find out what did the most DPS and use that. Is there something a Tank does for sims?

[warm plinth]

You can't do that for prot at the present time.

[nova needle]

So do I just take highest iLevel?

[warm plinth]

Yep, 99% of the time.

[nova needle]

For instance- 385 Band of Certain Annihilation or 390 Ring of Infinite Void

[warm plinth]

Unless the 385 has a socket, use the 390

[nova needle]

What about 385 Rot Scour Ring vs those two.

[hollow thorn]

Prot is only tank without APL feelsbad

[cosmic cargo]

it's not just the APL

[warm plinth]

Same thing. More total stats > better stats.

[hollow thorn]

If its between 2 rings at same ilvl take the one with more haste

[cosmic cargo]

there's stuff unfinished in the back end

APL would be the easy part

[warm plinth]

What Deattu said. If it's same ilevel, take the better secondaries.

You can get a better idea of everything by reading the guide in the pins.

[cosmic cargo]

though i have a slight hunch for at least ST dps prot warr stats are very damn close to prot pala

[nova needle]

What is considered "better secondaries" though?

[dire wyvern]

infinite void + certain annihilation of those rings

[cosmic cargo]

both benefit in similar fashion from haste and crit

[hollow thorn]

Haste > Mastery = Vers = Crit afaik

[dire wyvern]

defensively all > crit i think

[hollow thorn]

correct me if im wrong

[cosmic cargo]

for dps i hightly doubt crit is tied with mast/versa

[nova needle]

I'm just going to go Haste -> Mastery/Versa -> Crit and hope for the best.

[warm plinth]

All secondaries are fairly close, but for overall, haste>mast>=vers>crit

[cosmic cargo]

for defensive yes they're close

[warm plinth]

But again, if ilevel is a factor, higher ilevel is better.

[cosmic cargo]

for dps maybe, but i wouldn't bet too much on it

[warm plinth]

You can check out the stat analysis in #268491842637660160 as well.

[cosmic cargo]

which as far as I remember are pure defensive analysis, right?

[warm plinth]

It covers DPS stats as well, but it's primarily defensive analysis, yeah

Never mind; I'm tired. It's just defensive

I read something on there wrong D:

[wide fern]

370 rezan, 380 core-crusted, 380 sporepods. What to use?

[cosmic cargo]

hehe

I'd use not sporepods

[wide fern]

Got sporepods in weekly. But got a feeling its not very gpod

[cosmic cargo]

from a pure defensive standpoint its technically the best but not by much

the healing is kinda meh

[tardy berry]

So I hear haste is kind of a big deal for us prot warriors eh?

[sick sentinel]

sporepods suuuucks

go for mythrax trinkets

rake in healing parses

[tardy berry]

I got Overseers lost seal (380) in my chest and am wondering whether it'll be worth using that instead of Seal of regal Loa (360)

It's 150 less haste but a 20 ilvl upgrade 😛

[sick sentinel]

ya

[tardy berry]

Do anyone happen to have an oppinion on that?
New to the spec and it's hard to sim survivability as a tank 😛

[dire wyvern]

yes of course

20 ilvl is huge

[hollow thorn]

ilvls is always better

rings u only drop ilvls for socket

but only 5 ilvls for socket

[dire wyvern]

dont think any specs in the game would drop 20 ilvl for a ring without a socket except like surv hunters for haste

[tardy berry]

Ah, ok thank you 😃

Was just wondering because I figured haste would be a lot more important than mastery

mastery is so RNG for prot warriors, whereas haste is just more rage which means more ignore pain and shield block 😛

[sick sentinel]

do I make the swap?

[silk mortar]

Would rather stick with Knot

"Easier" to decide when you need it

[hollow thorn]

id go knot and block

[forest geyser]

Bamberg, Mastery gives ap, more ap means more dps more dps kills things faster meaning you have to tank less long crit block is nice as a bonus

[silk mortar]

Well it may be better than Stone

Not sure

[ionic sky]

380 vial of animated blood or jes howler?

[silk mortar]

Jes is 380 aswell?

[ionic sky]

yup

[silk mortar]

i would prefer Jes becuase of the dmg and reduction

But vial does that alright aswell

[sick sentinel]

keep in mind, popping jes next to your healer, makes them do more healing]

and your dps to do more dps

I am really considering going double crit trinkets now

[ionic sky]

ok thank you

[silk mortar]

Well its more damage and parries

[sick sentinel]

I'm full damage build mate

[silk mortar]

It aint bad

Then why not >;3

[sick sentinel]

3x390 BoM and everything

[silk mortar]

Nice

[hollow thorn]

no DC monkaS

[silk mortar]

Then go for damage

Who needs dc when you kill everything 😉

[sick sentinel]

I do more damage with the third BoM

it basically boils down to 11% more damage for 8 sec, then 4% less damage for 6 sec and then 11% more damage for 6 sec

since the 545 mastery from the third bom gives me 11% attack power

also my DC piece is still 375

[silk mortar]

mhm

[strong forum]

Tfw don't have a single BoM

[silk mortar]

Rip

Got 3 but one is 375

[strong forum]

Never got lucky from chest

And cba buying just for 2 weeks of meme+

[sick sentinel]

I gambled once

because I wanted to get the keystone master

and everything would help

[marble cipher]

I gambled all three slots, got BoM and DC out of it 👌

Other one is bloodsport

[dire wyvern]

blightborne infusion or callous reprisals

[strong forum]

That's kind of a waste to gamble your residuum now

[tardy berry]

yeah man save it for season 2 😮

[marble cipher]

Nothing is known about price inflation, if anything, I'll be behind one week

[strong forum]

10x

[marble cipher]

Also, this is not my raiding main

[strong forum]

I guess

But I rather have insta full 400 slots or 1x 415 on season 2

[marble cipher]

On my main I'm saving it

[hollow thorn]

id definetly go for 415

[strong forum]

Ye

[hollow thorn]

u get bis 415 and u will have it for the tier

a 400 will be replaced

[strong forum]

Ye but I will miss 1st heroic raid day

So Im thinking about buying 2x 400

[marble cipher]

Also, warrior got damn good azerite on first three bosses, and engi helm as well

My main (monk) isn't so lucky with the raid azerite

Sadly

[strong forum]

Yeah warrior is going to be insane with traits

[dire wyvern]

random 415 = 1800

[sick sentinel]

welp

[strong forum]

Prot damage is gonna be so juicy

Literally can't wait

[sick sentinel]

im not going to use 5 rolls first week so pog

[ionic sky]

is it worth upgrading a 375 slot with dc for a non dc 390?

[marble cipher]

Probably not, if you don't want to go triple bom

[sick sentinel]

middle traits matter

dc is worth 15 ilvl

so it's not rly

[strong forum]

For raiding maybe, but not for dungeons

[sick sentinel]

uhm guys

quick question

is this true?