protection

[uneven mason]

they no longer want me to change to my monk

[oblique garnet]

Im hurt nim im hurt just bringing my face into this smh i mean i know its horrid ever since the fire ;__;

[dusk locust]

fotm seal of approval right there

[sand egret]

was he like "What you talking about checks forums Warriors are OP"

[lusty grotto]

😢

you should try to get them to want the monk again for fun

and then screenshot everything

[oblique garnet]

wtf gingi has 1.9k residuum?

[forest geyser]

Yes they fed him in mythic runs

[sick sentinel]

^

[oblique garnet]

oh damn

[sand egret]

with enough people, many things are possible 😃

[sick sentinel]

Re rolling 385 azeritr from uldir

I have 200 alone from re rolling mother

[oblique garnet]

i thought i had alot when i have 800

havent recleared mythic in a while

[lusty grotto]

there's always someone with more, but you have the most in our hearts Late ❤

did i fix it?

[oblique garnet]

no

[lusty grotto]

fuk

[oblique garnet]

youre blacklisted

[sick sentinel]

I'm thinking of either re rolling for the other DC shoulders since it has DC/bom or chancing for 385 bom chest

[sand egret]

damn, sounds like a bad breakup line Nim. Just gotta twist the knife on the guy, eh Nim?

poor Late

first the fire, now he gotta get put through this.

[crystal creek]

I got 385 DC shoulder. (Cthraxxi?)

[sick sentinel]

Yeah that one doesn't have bom, the kraken one does

[lusty grotto]

release the kraken

hey Chtraxxi is good until next week

oh

[oblique garnet]

2 weeks

[lusty grotto]

hmm

jesus christ i thought it was next week

i might be confusing it with BFVs assignments

[junior igloo]

Will the new ring be added on existing items?
Or will only newly acquired items have it?

[signal plover]

Only new

[marble sable]

dear players, "all the shit you earned up to now is just shit"

[lusty grotto]

basically

[sand egret]

-_-

[marble sable]

congrats on working to get top stuff, we will make it garbage in 1 day

[cosmic cargo]

sounds like solid design as always from blizzard 😃

[sick sentinel]

At least for us we really need only 1 dungeon piece

[signal plover]

It's all about Carrot on a stick

[sand egret]

i mean...literally every game does this

[marble sable]

the ilevel change should be a big enough carrot

[sand egret]

it's called power creep

[sick sentinel]

Since 2 pieces with BoM/DC are in BoD

[marble sable]

normal Daz gear dropping 385 should be a big enough carrot

[dire wyvern]

making gear redundant immediately =/= power creep

[marble sable]

^

[sand egret]

it isnt

it's literally the same

[crystal creek]

400 from +10's should be enough carrot.

[marble sable]

one fell swoop

[dire wyvern]

going from 385 -> 415 ilvl doesnt happen in a day

[sand egret]

it's making it so you dont have to farm M Uldir in BoD because the 5th ring traits make them superior

[dire wyvern]

going up in ilvl is power creep

making old pieces redundant regardless of ilvl isnt

[sand egret]

they aren't redundant though

[dire wyvern]

unless you consider extremes like 355 vs 385 or w/e

[cosmic cargo]

it wouldn't make uldir traits supperior

it's fucking 45 ilvls gap

[sand egret]

not day 1

where it literally only matters then

[marble sable]

I am just so happy they made the azerite system even worse than it already is

best xpac ever

[cosmic cargo]

on day one it's 30 ilvls

[sand egret]

as this conversation is irrelevant after

[crystal creek]

I won't even go in there for transmog after Uldir is done.

[cosmic cargo]

but this makes gear straight up irrelevant

which is stupid

[lusty grotto]

to be fair, its the same thing as if they increased ilvl

which is also happening

[sand egret]

i dont get the irrelevant part

at all

tbh

just because new gear is better, doesn't make your current gear worse.

[uneven mason]

^^

[lusty grotto]

yeah im with blade

[cosmic cargo]

because it's better at same or even lower ilvl in some cases

[sand egret]

you're literally bitching at nothing

[uneven mason]

Just because you dinged 120 doesn't mean you were never 110

[lusty grotto]

but you won't get the same ilvls?

nothing will stay 370

[crystal creek]

As long as M+'s difficulty doesn't change that's true.

[cosmic cargo]

m0 azerite in many cases will beat current mythic azerite

[lusty grotto]

M+ diff will change

its guaranteed

[sand egret]

yes

[cosmic cargo]

it will ofc

[sand egret]

it's scaled down

overall ilvl goes up

[crystal creek]

well then my current gear will be worse.

[sand egret]

new traits are added

but your current gear is not worse

new gear is just better

[cosmic cargo]

but yeah 370 m0 with extra ring will beat 385 without in some cases

which is kinda silly

[signal plover]

closes prot warr discord

[sand egret]

isn't baseline M+ 385

in season 2

[signal plover]

That post is from October btw so I'm not sure why ppl are surprised

370 I believe

[cosmic cargo]

m+ doesn't matter for azerite

m0 is 370

which drops azerite

[lusty grotto]

ok lets be clear about something

[sand egret]

ok but here's the thing

[lusty grotto]

whats the only trait you drop ilvl for right now?

so an extra ring will not make a 370 better

than a 385

[cosmic cargo]

one thing is a trait vs another trait

flat out 1 extra trait is another

[stone cloud]

Does the 1hand axe from waycrest do decent dmg?

[signal plover]

No

[sand egret]

not really

[lusty grotto]

no it does not

[marble sable]

its a trap

[stone cloud]

Yikes

RIP cache

[cosmic cargo]

that 1h is worth if higher ilvl though

because weapon dps

[sand egret]

hope its a good ilvl

[cosmic cargo]

but yeah it's worse than same ilvl weapons

[stone cloud]

380 vs 380 sword from siege

[signal plover]

Siege

[cosmic cargo]

yeah then fuck it

[stone cloud]

Figured

[marble sable]

collect your monelite ore and move on

[stone cloud]

Maybe mythrax or fetid will gimme love

[marble sable]

i actually got lucky and got butcher's block

[sand egret]

for the +10 and +15 FoS, do they need to be in time?

[dire wyvern]

yes

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sand egret]

kk

[junior igloo]

Even if new 370 were better (which is possible, especially if you don't have ideal pieces now), it's not an efficient thing to farm.
You are better off farming +10s for all other pieces and then aggressively coining raid bosses with good Azerite pieces

[lusty grotto]

for residuum

basically

[sand egret]

yar

[stone cloud]

I know there is like 2 pieces in BFD that you can get bastion and DC on

[lusty grotto]

but yeah i have no clue why you would go back to m0s to get a 370

its a waste

there are 3 trik

[sand egret]

when you have access to like LFR and shit

[stone cloud]

3 with them on diff tiers?

[sand egret]

idk, just feels like putting a lot more stress on yourself for not much reason

[lusty grotto]

from what was said this morning, yes

[stone cloud]

The possibility’s bois!!!!

[lusty grotto]

yeah it just feels like min-maxing average ilvls for no reason other than having an extra ring... when you could just do content with your 385s

[signal plover]

Should be close to a non issue 2 weeks in

[lusty grotto]

and that

[sand egret]

yuup

but complaining is fun

[signal plover]

Fair

[stone cloud]

Where as monk has 1 piece in the whole game that you can get both Training of Nizaou and Straight, No Chaser on... and it’s gladiator shoulders

[junior igloo]

Getting a nice 400 shield from M+ is probably the best thing to do first week.
Getting a bunch of 400 ilvl pieces as a side effect is also nice

[sand egret]

let's not kid ourselves, no way a shield is dropping for me in the first week

[junior igloo]

Is there a list of dungeon pieces with season 2 traits that is easy to search through?

[cosmic cargo]

i'd say in game but that's not very convinient 😛

[lusty grotto]

season 2 traits?

we have the same traits though

[sand egret]

the extra ring

[lusty grotto]

not at the moment but im sure wowhead is working on updating their tool thing

[sand egret]

for the random azerite tokens, is it only out of a certain subset or does it include all available for that ilvl tier? (raids, M+, wq etc)

[lusty grotto]

ehh the guide has for 3 traits @junior igloo

[junior igloo]

When I select BoM + DC, it finds 0 results

[cosmic cargo]

pretty sure you can get from any source

[junior igloo]

On Icy-Veins

[lusty grotto]

nevermind it doesn't work

[signal plover]

Probably going to take some time for azerite finders to update but I'm guessing wowhead will have one when Season 2 goes live

[lusty grotto]

yeah

its cause the icy veins guide uses wowdb

[sand egret]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/guides/protection-warrior-azerite-traits-powers-armor-bfa-battle-for-azeroth

gotta turn on the PTR part

I think that may work

yep it does. ToS chest has BoM + DC

[lusty grotto]

you mean on the icy veins guide?

[sand egret]

on wowhead

[lusty grotto]

cause the wowhead guide doesnt have an azerite tool

or at least i dont see it

[sand egret]

i'm using it now lol

oooo helm from Shrine has DC + BoM + IV

[lusty grotto]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/azerite-finder

that's the one

[sand egret]

yep, just gotta set it to ptr

[oblique garnet]

The azerite vendor is only from dungeons afaik

[lusty grotto]

the problem with the tool is

that it might show gear that has BoM + DC on the same ring

[junior igloo]

Yeah, but it's a decent filter

[main vault]

Firsdt boss is DC+BoM

High Tinker is as well

And so is Blockade

[junior igloo]

1st boss is DC + BoM chest, so is Stormwall Blockade, but they both have poor middle/inner traits

Mekkatorque has shoulders with BoM + DC + Azerite Veins, that's a great piece

[main vault]

Blocckade is CC/OP and RP

Thats not terrible

[sand egret]

see i'm looking for that 3x IV

[cosmic cargo]

OP is really good

[main vault]

Jaines is IF+BfI

But meh inners

[cosmic cargo]

IF + BfI is a funny combo

all the block

[main vault]

yeah lol

[junior igloo]

Best head seems to be from Shrine (DC + BoM + OP + Impassive Visage), I will probably buy that one when I have enough currency

[main vault]

Shrine head is so much BiS

[cosmic cargo]

if you care for raid i wouldn't save for specific, but since i know you progress on another char that makes sense

[main vault]

I hbave a breakpoint in week two

[junior igloo]

hm, you think buying random max ilvl makes sense?

[main vault]

Im saving for specific, unless I get nothing after the second lockout

Then Ill get randoms going into 3rd

[cosmic cargo]

imo yes

get the 415 asap

after you have full 415 start saving up

if your focus is m+

maybe start saving up right away

depends which of the 2 content types is your prio

[lusty grotto]

yeah cause people are going full out on BoM not thinking they could min-max for progression

[junior igloo]

First boss has solid chest, Jadefire has solid Head, shoulders require a Mekkatorque kill though

[cosmic cargo]

also i'd say depends how fast you progress

[lusty grotto]

Giggidy

[main vault]

Yeah but first three all have decent

Which you can pug if you have to week one

[cosmic cargo]

if you progress fast and get those 415 things from raid asap

then great

[lusty grotto]

Jadefire has solid head giggidy

wait

i butchered that

[main vault]

If you get 400 from HC, thats not nearly as worth to buy the 415 then

[junior igloo]

Oh, I think we can kill those on mythic week 1 with any luck

But Mekkatorque on alt will be another story 😃

[main vault]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

traitor

[cosmic cargo]

don't you still main your ret meiffert?

[junior igloo]

I do

[main vault]

By the time mythic opens you should have two kills on the first three bosses minimum

Plus any others

[junior igloo]

Some sort of paladin

[lusty grotto]

hpal is the only paladin

[main vault]

hpal :lul:

[cosmic cargo]

hpal is the most boring healer

[lusty grotto]

the fuck

[main vault]

And the worst in m+

[cosmic cargo]

eh

holy priest and resto shammies exist

i think they exist at least

[main vault]

Id take both over HP

[cosmic cargo]

i heard whispers

[lusty grotto]

youve had bad Hpals

[cosmic cargo]

i wouldn't

but disc, rdruid or mw

[zinc mauve]

I've seen guilds that use a holy pally to tank zul pools

[main vault]

Raids are different

[junior igloo]

Paladin have a lot of cooldowns and good ST dps, they are definitely worth having, even though the numbers are lower. HPS isn't everything in raids 😃

[cosmic cargo]

raids are very different

[lusty grotto]

it happened, we've devolved to meta picks - after being meta fucked as prot

cough hypocrites cough

[main vault]

Gotta take what can carry our shit spec

[lusty grotto]

i do fine as hpal though

[main vault]

Prot War did fine as a tank too

[zinc mauve]

I love when the meta fucks me. Further proving I don't need a boyfriend to get what I need

[lusty grotto]

right

[cosmic cargo]

like bear does fine @main vault?

[lusty grotto]

i really dont care about meta, hpal healing is fun for me

[main vault]

Bear does do fine

:pepehands:

[cosmic cargo]

[lusty grotto]

the only thing that makes rdruid healing fun is cat shifting

[main vault]

I refuse to let this server silence me

[cosmic cargo]

i need to join one of those frog servers

the non-nitro global emote shits

[lusty grotto]

the only thing that makes MW healing fun, is idk because i havent played MW this expansion

[main vault]

I need to get Thyme to give up his goodies

[lusty grotto]

rip

[cosmic cargo]

oops

[main vault]

He isnt here

[lusty grotto]

rip father thyme

[cosmic cargo]

ik

i was just messing

but accidentally tagged some random dude in the process

[lusty grotto]

F random dude

[main vault]

you are prolly the first bloke to talk to him

[stark sage]

ping the poor dude then delete the message

so he cant even find out why

[main vault]

And you deleted it

Like a dick

[lusty grotto]

lol

calm down satan

[main vault]

@sick sentinel

#neverforget

[cosmic cargo]

one of you fucks

in off-topic

[stark sage]

[main vault]

Prot has been off topic for like 5 months now

[cosmic cargo]

i got a ping that got insta deleted

[main vault]

Why change now?

[cosmic cargo]

that's what i meant

[lusty grotto]

the trolling is real

but yes shit spec, we need less rerollers fucking taking our rank numbers

[main vault]

get better

You have a head start

[lusty grotto]

making me have to play

i dropped 3 ranks last week

[inland mesa]

why is everyone going BoM, isn't it ranked lowest atm?

[lusty grotto]

no longer top 10

😦

[main vault]

Cause BoM is BiS in m+

[lusty grotto]

BoM is best in M+

[inland mesa]

M+ are you aiming for 3 DC and 3 BoM?

[lusty grotto]

BoM is arguably ok in raids depending on fights

[main vault]

1 DC 5 BoM will be the tits

[lusty grotto]

if it's in the list, though, it's a good trait

[main vault]

But not possible

[junior igloo]

The 1st BoM is really strong, you want at least 1 BoM (like you want 1 DC).
BoM and DC are also very strong for AoE burst dps (worth stacking 3x each)

[main vault]

Can you imagine DPS charts on big pulls

Hit Avatar

[lusty grotto]

shut up

[main vault]

Drop the first TC

[lusty grotto]

we do shit dmg

[main vault]

Then BOOOOM to top

[cosmic cargo]

the pin seems very misleading for newcomers @junior igloo

[main vault]

Like a rocket

It just says it was updated to 8.1

Seems straightforward

[cosmic cargo]

"Bastion of Might, the trait that replaced Reinforced Plating, is the worst spec specific trait. It's by no means "bad", none of the spec specific ones are, just prioritize it last in that regard."

[lusty grotto]

Marok has to come around to fix it though

[inland mesa]

I just saw you were talking about getting shoulders, helm, and chest with 3 DC/BoM, I guess I was working through raid BiS, not M+

[main vault]

tbf not being able to read isnt a newcomer thing

[junior igloo]

There are almost no combinations of Veins + Visage or Veins + Gemhide though, I only found King's Rest helm with DC/BfI + Bloodsport + Veins + Visage.

[lusty grotto]

but remember our focus in skyhold is defensiveness

[cosmic cargo]

but even defensive

[lusty grotto]

and BoM is kind of... not the best defensive-wise

[sick sentinel]

I wouldn't hold my breath for veins/visage, both are good but shields I find better

[cosmic cargo]

the first BoM is really strong

[junior igloo]

Defensively you probably either want 1 DC + 1 BoM + stack BfI/Bloodsport

[cosmic cargo]

and focusing pure defensive on any tank

is straight up silly

[lusty grotto]

its the way it has always been done

[cosmic cargo]

unless you're pushing bleeding edge keys

[sick sentinel]

For us we can go more defensively because we have the damage already compared to other tanks

[main vault]

@junior igloo yeah i just looked too

[sand egret]

that KR helm is pretty smexxy tho

[oblique garnet]

BoM works really good as defensive trait in higher end of m+ aswell

[lusty grotto]

Average Joe doesn't come here to check what he needs to min-max to push keys

[cosmic cargo]

average joe doesn't need to and shouldn't go pure turtle mode

[lusty grotto]

he comes here to get the quick run down and to get quick answers

turtle mode is the safe pick

for average joe

so that's like your opinion, man

[junior igloo]

What to go for if not Veins though defensively, probably Carapace?

[inland mesa]

well raid you wouldn't still stack 3 DC/3 BoM right? unless it's an add fight and you want to parse o.O

[sand egret]

AS?

[lusty grotto]

you wouldn't because people will be progressing throughout a month or two

and you're probably right about the last part

@inland mesa

[inland mesa]

is it worth running the first boss 7 times and coining it all to get the shield in heroic? XD

[lusty grotto]

probably

[main vault]

shield?

you mean juicy azerite

[junior igloo]

I think you can only coin once per reset nowadays

[lusty grotto]

why not both

😄

[inland mesa]

I thought you could coin each kill if rekill

[cosmic cargo]

isn't that just world bosses?

that it's only once

[lusty grotto]

yeah its only world bosses

cause i ran vectis so many goddamn times each week

[cosmic cargo]

but def no

[junior igloo]

I think it's for raid bosses as well this expansion

[cosmic cargo]

save some rolls for mythic

[junior igloo]

But not sure

[cosmic cargo]

if you'll do mythic when it opens

[lusty grotto]

shield is def worth a coin though

[cosmic cargo]

gimme weapon instead

[oblique garnet]

gonna be full 400 anyways before mythic opens

[cosmic cargo]

gib dps

[oblique garnet]

• azerite pieces

[junior igloo]

you can farm heroic level shield in m+10

I'd rather coin azerite bosses

[uneven mason]

^^

[sick sentinel]

I get to use my residuum today

[uneven mason]

also first boss drops azerite and shield

so

[sick sentinel]

Buy a 385 shoulder

[lusty grotto]

depends on how they scale difficulty for M+ though

[main vault]

yeah but you can limp through 10s

if you have to

[lusty grotto]

not everyone can

but i guess if hes in a Mythic guild he could

[cosmic cargo]

supposedly the scaling won't get changed, just the base will be bumped up

but who knows

[inland mesa]

is M+ going to 400 week 1, I thought it only did in week 2

[sand egret]

didnt they say it would be changed

as it always has

[cosmic cargo]

if the base is changed all the higher get changed too

[stone cloud]

Ya

[lusty grotto]

right

[sick sentinel]

Farming 10s first week will be worth

[lusty grotto]

we also have no idea on the seasonal

[inland mesa]

they shift it to 400, it just can't WF past, ye?

[lusty grotto]

so apparently you can limp through bwonsamdi ghosts

🤷

[sand egret]

wait theres more reaping info?

[cosmic cargo]

affix with 0 testing

gonna be great

😃

[lusty grotto]

yeah running those 10s is gonna be great

[sand egret]

it's been tested

not public but yeah

should be fun

[cosmic cargo]

you trust their internal team?

cause i don't

not by a longshot

[lusty grotto]

if they tested with MDI teams, i trust it

[sand egret]

team is irrelvant

tbh

[lusty grotto]

their internal team = fuck no

[sand egret]

no team will beat the testing capacity of the playerbase

[cosmic cargo]

yeah but like

[lusty grotto]

agreed blade

[cosmic cargo]

shit like mother week 1 bugs

if you tested it half decently

you'd find that shit

[sand egret]

do you test?

[cosmic cargo]

since it happened like half the pulls

well i found it just progressing so...

[sand egret]

so no

[cosmic cargo]

like literally just do a handful of pulls

and the bug would pop up

but they probably changed the fight from beta after testing and didn't test again

[sand egret]

lol

[stone cloud]

We in it bois

[sand egret]

ayyy

noice

[cosmic cargo]

or they did like 1 pull, killed the boss, called that enough testing

[lusty grotto]

glares at iphones

[main vault]

https://gyazo.com/5dbbd4b440de0ed5475c0f2bd7b840a5

[sand egret]

best g'huun parse

[uneven mason]

RIP Ghuun parses

[lusty grotto]

lol

indeed

[primal crypt]

What are you guys on about

They announced the new affix testing

Jan 22

[cosmic cargo]

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[cosmic cargo]

NA beta realms

[sick sentinel]

I wish a guild not limit was #1 NA

[lusty grotto]

Dis gonna be gud

[primal crypt]

Y not limit?

What's wrong with limit

[lusty grotto]

Limit banned weep

[inland mesa]

Can't wait to spawned adds path wrong and pull the rest of the instance

[primal crypt]

LMAO

ahahahahaha

Why

[uneven mason]

Mebbie if he didn't cry somuch

[primal crypt]

And from where

[lusty grotto]

Or something like that lol

[uneven mason]

Weep was the healer who DDOS'd his teammates foreal

[cosmic cargo]

they get banned like half the tiers anyway

[uneven mason]

he's incognito as prot warrior now

[primal crypt]

LMAO

[lusty grotto]

Dunno @sick sentinel could answer AMA

[sick sentinel]

Limit never banned me from anywhere

I just don't like Limit very much

[inland mesa]

Like shit spawning in temple runs down the side you didn't clear

[lusty grotto]

Weep pretended to be a real life girl

[uneven mason]

"I banned myself"

[sick sentinel]

They don't have a good history

[primal crypt]

oh

Can't go off that

What if they like you weep

And help you get NA first

[sick sentinel]

I don't want to play with them

[lusty grotto]

Weep they might want #1 ranked furry warriors on heroic

[primal crypt]

^

[sick sentinel]

I have no #1s in heroic

All of mine are in normal

[lusty grotto]

Oh it was normal

[primal crypt]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

My bad

[primal crypt]

[inland mesa]

Normal is a true test of skill and patience

[main vault]

Not gonna lie

I love Limit

[sick sentinel]

I had r2 on normal ghuun

[crystal creek]

Maiden raidfinder?

Test yourself.

[main vault]

Ill one up your Maiden with a KJ

[primal crypt]

I'm proud of myself

[uneven mason]

Raiderfinder is a true test of Warrior self sustain

I've done it once

and beat all the healers

[sick sentinel]

I tanked maiden lfr actually

AMA

[primal crypt]

I haven't done lfr in all of bfa

[uneven mason]

I did it on my Druid once

as tank

and beat the healers on Zek

didn't get my pole arm

gave up on the druid

[sick sentinel]

AMA

[lusty grotto]

lol yamo you should queue for Ghuun LFR

just to see

tell us how it goes

[main vault]

havnt done lfr opne time

In BFA

[primal crypt]

I've only heard stories

[lusty grotto]

if you do Ghuun with 0 stacks of determination or whatever its fucking called, you win an achievement

[crystal creek]

I just go fury to run the orbs.

[primal crypt]

My buddy goes in for maiden

[sick sentinel]

I'm gonna do ghuun lfr when I get home

[primal crypt]

Just to run back and forth

[sick sentinel]

Maybe I'll even stream it

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[primal crypt]

And kill the raid

[uneven mason]

THe real rankings that matter as a Warrior

[lusty grotto]

id watch it weep

[primal crypt]

They never figure it out

[uneven mason]

healing

[sick sentinel]

Everyone should watch it

I'm great

[uneven mason]

H E A L I N G

[primal crypt]

Watch what

[lusty grotto]

good hustle mac

[uneven mason]

TFW I've hardly araided since 8.1

[inland mesa]

How are the trinkets shaping up for M+ any in the new raid worth?

[lusty grotto]

id pick you as healer for my M+

[uneven mason]

since my guild is casual and took a holiday break

Chewtoy, the RAGE trinket MIGHT be worth while

its a haste on use

but scales up to its max effect

[lusty grotto]

i just pug heroic

[uneven mason]

the absorb trinket

[lusty grotto]

raiding is meh

[uneven mason]

I've been leveling alts since 8.1 hit

[warped hound]

if we scale like other people with the haste trinket i'd not bother

[uneven mason]

because I don't want to pick up bad habits tanking heroic on my prot war

[lusty grotto]

we don't scale like other people

[uneven mason]

since at 388 I can literally

[lusty grotto]

more haste makes ITF better

[main vault]

I thought it scaled and fell

[uneven mason]

not use any rage in IP and take less damage than other tanks

in HC

it starts low and reaches max effect 10 seconds in

lasts 18seconds

[inland mesa]

But those revenges

[uneven mason]

it has a pretty good reuse

Yeah I revenge like a madman tanking lower difficulties

[lusty grotto]

lul

[uneven mason]

my healers are all like "You take less damage in mythic wtf, is your shield broken"

and I show them my revenge casts

[inland mesa]

Don't you want to parse healers?!?!

[uneven mason]

this is me not giving a fuck because I'm tanking an alt run

[lusty grotto]

:o)

[uneven mason]

No way I was going to beat healers in those runs

had a 389 disc solo healing

except for vectis

and Ghuun

[inland mesa]

I rolled a 395 mythrax trinket last week :)

[uneven mason]

+++

been using a 385 mythrax trinket forever

but

boys

I have now attained maximum crit

[primal crypt]

Too late now xD

[uneven mason]

I Have a knot and a Lion's str

at 385

[primal crypt]

Yikes

[uneven mason]

PARRY ALL DAY

[primal crypt]

Need that knot and block

[sick sentinel]

385 myth trinket dropped

Our maintank got it

[uneven mason]

btw the secret to healer parses as a prot warrior

is to intentionally cause that eyeball to proc

as many times as you can

[sick sentinel]

I got the 385 ghuun shield though

[uneven mason]

since the shield is big D

[lusty grotto]

Ugh

[sick sentinel]

What are we ughing

[uneven mason]

all I've done in Heroic since 8.1

[lusty grotto]

Chef nimchip gets triggered at the talk of myth trinket

[uneven mason]

because I helped 2 other guilds get AoTC

[lusty grotto]

It's a pseudo meme

[uneven mason]

its actually worth a damn

I Mean that shield

lets you do some goofy stuff.

[primal crypt]

Ugh

[lusty grotto]

Mac please stop

[sick sentinel]

I might join a heroic prog guild

[uneven mason]

Nim

[lusty grotto]

Stahp

[sick sentinel]

My guild raids Fri/Sat, need something to do

[uneven mason]

I even logged out with it

just for you

[sick sentinel]

My knot is 390

[primal crypt]

Oh nice

[lusty grotto]

I have a sexy Knot too

[primal crypt]

Knot is ez

[uneven mason]

Veiled eye = do a bigger pull in M+

[primal crypt]

Eye is not

[lusty grotto]

Mac stahppp

[uneven mason]

Never

[lusty grotto]

Y u do dis

[uneven mason]

I've got my

On u

[lusty grotto]

Lol

Looking forward to the 2.0 memes in 2 weeks

[uneven mason]

that new absorb trinket

jesus

[lusty grotto]

👀

[sick sentinel]

This game just pulls me back in

Going for normal tmog when I get home

[inland mesa]

run a bunch of islands you'll quit

[uneven mason]

I find islands fun and rewarding now that I can make 65,000g on the pets

[inland mesa]

O.O

the hell pet did you get

[uneven mason]

Uh, one of the ape skeletons

[inland mesa]

captain nibs or whatever? yeah it's rare, I run them to try to get pets and mounts and have barely gotten half the pets

[uneven mason]

nibs

yeah sounds right

I dunno I just underminejournal it and then toss it on the AH

I just "re cleaned" my pet logs

as it were

bought a few months of gametime

I do it every 6 months or so

[sick sentinel]

I got 2 20k pets

[inland mesa]

but my pokemans are my frens

[sick sentinel]

In 3 runs

I got a pup and something else

Had the donkey too

[inland mesa]

hmm, maybe I should look at selling my repeats

[uneven mason]

I'm still sitting on hatespark

really not sure I want to let go of that one

[tribal fox]

wich dungeons are good for prot warrior?

[inland mesa]

yes

[uneven mason]

^

That's a hard question to answer without context

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much everything with the exception of ML and KR

[uneven mason]

good for protwarrior?

KR is fine

[oblique garnet]

but thats only on high keys

Kr is aids on fortified without the comp deseigned to counter the adds

[uneven mason]

its basically bring a MW Monk

and someone who can purge

oh

and a druid

so basically bring a druid and MW monk

MW monk makes Zul preschooler easy

[tribal fox]

excpet kr and ml i can do all pretty fine?

[uneven mason]

ML is aids though

but that isn't a prot thing

thats a "Masterminds suck balls"

[inland mesa]

you can do all them more than fine depending on key level

[tribal fox]

my gs is 374 with 1300haste and 800mastery i wanna do some +10 as tank 😃

[oblique garnet]

no thats the 3rd boss is aids

[uneven mason]

You'll be fine

[oblique garnet]

You can do 10s easy

as a tank

[tribal fox]

ok ty

[uneven mason]

was tanking 10s at 350

[oblique garnet]

^

Pre 8.1

[uneven mason]

350* and 3 buffs ago

[tribal fox]

ok ty 😃

[uneven mason]

So

word of advice though

[signal plover]

And uphill both ways!

[sand egret]

back in my day....

[uneven mason]

keys are 90% about knowing your stuff, and your own personal skill in handling mechanics, than gear.

[inland mesa]

in 14 feet of snow

[sand egret]

i just ask thottbot

[uneven mason]

AMR

Blade be honest

you use AMR

[sand egret]

only on sundays

[uneven mason]

and Jarvis

[inland mesa]

I feel like I need to watch higher key pull routes, I don't feel like my group is doing them effectively

[signal plover]

Thots are resourceful

[main vault]

Wait

You guys dont use AMR?

Why not?

[uneven mason]

Because Noxxic is better.

[inland mesa]

then again, they also all ate it to cyclone strike last night

[main vault]

I like the bags tool

[inland mesa]

😦

[main vault]

It gives me bis

[sand egret]

well ToS is pretty straight forward as far as routes go

[uneven mason]

based on what, Cataclysm Reforging?

@tribal fox https://raider.io/news/13-the-weekly-route-fortified-sanguine-grievous-and-infested

read

Knowing is half the battle

[modern brook]

reading is for nerds

[sand egret]

GI JOOEEEEEE

[modern brook]

is there a more prot warrior solution?

[sand egret]

ignore it and go face?

[uneven mason]

Warriors are the smartest of tanks

[sick sentinel]

The most straightforward dungeon is Kings Rest

[sand egret]

i dunno, it's too possessive for me.

[inland mesa]

yeah, just usual pull size, and timings to be at to safely key etc. pull routes is more underrot, freehold, ML...think that's the only huge ones that differ?

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grotto you ready for berserker dot + grevious

[sand egret]

a few others can change a bit

[uneven mason]

Freehold has the infested critter again this week

[modern brook]

U mean u didnt get ur 15 KR in last week?

u fucked up

[uneven mason]

fan fucking tastic

[sand egret]

but a big thing Chew is knowing when you can do multiple packs instead of one at a time

you save a lot of time that way

[oblique garnet]

CRITTER!?

[uneven mason]

yes

[sand egret]

WAIT

[uneven mason]

critter on the bridge

[sand egret]

HE'

[modern brook]

yeah theres the squirl at the end of the birdge to the harlan

[uneven mason]

+++

[oblique garnet]

FUCK THAT CRITTER

[modern brook]

he's a big doucher

[sand egret]

TREVOR IS BACK

[modern brook]

and i think worth .1%

or something

[sand egret]

mother fucker.

[modern brook]

hes in MDT at least

[sand egret]

Trevor is back to rack up that kill count again

[sick sentinel]

Why would they make a critter infest

[sand egret]

because it's hilarious

[inland mesa]

because they can

[uneven mason]

Yeah

its hilarious when you endup just having him go off and infest the officer right frigging there

[oblique garnet]

Cost me a key

[sick sentinel]

I just think it's dumb

[uneven mason]

I think its funny the first time ou encounter it.

I mean, nothing beats getting your exact % set up that you'll need (+1 dog after the boss dies) and having a critter pull 2 extra packs

[modern brook]

I think i can beat that

having not that happen

[primal crypt]

YASSSSSSSS

SALT AND SWEET TEA

[uneven mason]

really can't wait to get home and see what disappointment my chest has for me this week

[lusty grotto]

Oh jerry

[sick sentinel]

All infested mobs should be worth at least 1%

Argue with me

[oblique garnet]

False

[sick sentinel]

That's not arguing

[lusty grotto]

Was the name of the rat Jerry, I cant remember

[oblique garnet]

Trevor

[modern brook]

yam i swear to fucking god

I'm going to ban you from drinking

[keen spire]

I kinda wish prot hadn't been buffed

I legit feel less inclined to play it while it's "super powerful" or whatever the kids say these days

[inland mesa]

tell sco to make another video

[keen spire]

@proven cedar - make another video

lol

That's probably not the real sco

but oh well

[inland mesa]

You think perception has changed that much?

[lusty grotto]

Lord sco

Warries

Eh yeah perception has changed drastically

[modern brook]

I think prot warrior is a lot harder to be shitty at

[keen spire]

^

[modern brook]

I dont think being good has gotten any easier though

[keen spire]

People don't recognize how dope you are if you perform well now

They just say "Oh that's because prot got buffed"

[modern brook]

^^^^

[keen spire]

whereas before, you shattered their minds

[modern brook]

prot damage is stupid something somethin face roll

[lusty grotto]

They do, they're just more focused on the dps

Example

2 weeks ago

Any warrior that couldn't hold agro on skittish

[modern brook]

shoulda been put down

[lusty grotto]

Any warrior that can't survive stuff and gets hit like paper on fort weeks

Like this week

The thing is there is a lot of rerolls that are used to kiting on their paper tanks

[primal crypt]

Warriors won't see much play this week

Too many shitters

They'll die so fast

[lusty grotto]

Perfect week to get my rank back on track teehee

Fucking sanguine though

[primal crypt]

Sanguine is free

[modern brook]

I'm 💪 top 💪 15 💪 Prot 💪 Warrirors 💪 on 💪 my 💪 server 💪

did it in like 4 dungeons

[primal crypt]

Which serverm

[modern brook]

Thrall

[primal crypt]

Oh wow

Thrall is pretty big is it not?

[modern brook]

Uhh its population high i think

IDK

[lusty grotto]

My dh buddy is in thrall

[primal crypt]

Salt and tea. Smh

[modern brook]

https://raider.io/characters/us/thrall/Bullfango

[lusty grotto]

Cause a guild we ran hc uldir paid his transfer to wipe constantly on fetid without trying zek

Mythic, that is

[primal crypt]

Yikers majimers

[modern brook]

lol

what guild on thrall is worth paying to transfer to

[lusty grotto]

Yeah that's the medalla I always run with yamo

[midnight shale]

Guys can you dodge debiliating backhand in kings rest?

[modern brook]

I think theres like ~7 or so real CE guilds

[lusty grotto]

Dunno what guild he is in

It's not CE

But they paid his transfer so he he said why not

[modern brook]

Oh i read it wrong

[lusty grotto]

You can dodge it

Oops wrong person

[modern brook]

u cant dodge the dbuff

[lusty grotto]

@midnight shale

Yeah you can

[modern brook]

3rd boss yeh?

[primal crypt]

You can dodge/parry it

[modern brook]

OH

like dodge mechanic

[primal crypt]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

Right

[modern brook]

I thought you meant like

[midnight shale]

i mean, can you avoid it

[modern brook]

move out of the way

lol

[midnight shale]

ye

[primal crypt]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

No

You cant

[primal crypt]

Stare at him

And prat

Pray*

[modern brook]

Stare at him and

[primal crypt]

That too

[modern brook]

👀 -> combo

its op

[primal crypt]

Hm...i think my wofe is pregnant

[mortal arch]

You're welcome

[primal crypt]

All these cinnabon cravings

[midnight shale]

cool guess i just got real lucky last few runs i did, thanks guys

[lusty grotto]

We're welcome for what

Oh

[modern brook]

last time i ran KR I got back handed off the platform likea total chump

[lusty grotto]

Yikes yamo

[uneven mason]

+++

[lusty grotto]

Wait is it good preggo or bad preggo

[modern brook]

cinnabon preggo

op

[uneven mason]

Yamorino have you considered she might just be fat?

[sick sentinel]

This tbh

[modern brook]

Yamo would eat cinnabon + prego tbh

[mortal arch]

Upboat

[uneven mason]

I mean, thats why I get cinnabon cravings

cause I'm fat

and its sugar

[lusty grotto]

Jesus christ

[primal crypt]

I mean, Im having cravings

So she must be pregnant

[lusty grotto]

True

[inland mesa]

I got knocked off the platform in KR, totally figured there were invisible walls there like so many other spots

[sick sentinel]

Any tips for grevious besides bring a good healer?

[primal crypt]

People say we're pregnant

[lusty grotto]

Bring a good healer

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel bring a good healer

And food

Bring food

[sick sentinel]

Have you considered that you might just be fat

[lusty grotto]

You can't go wrong with nimchipadin

[primal crypt]

Fish feast

[modern brook]

be more afraid of chain pulls than double pulls tbh

[primal crypt]

Fish feast, mage food

[modern brook]

greivous stops you from going fast, not big

[lusty grotto]

Well it's fort week so

[sick sentinel]

If you chain pull

[lusty grotto]

I'd say you can go half big

[sick sentinel]

You're the worst

Actually the worst

[lusty grotto]

Half chub

[primal crypt]

Chain pull is the best

[sick sentinel]

As a rogue

Fuck chain pull

[hollow thorn]

chainpulling is the shit

[primal crypt]

I love chain pulling on rogues

[sick sentinel]

Chainpulling sucks

Can't stealth

[modern brook]

u can still restealth

[primal crypt]

Vanish

Ez

[lusty grotto]

Who loves chain pulling on bolstering though

[modern brook]

like unless you're shadow stepping the tank walking into other pull

[lusty grotto]

My brother does

[sick sentinel]

3min CD for 3 garrotes

[modern brook]

you will drop aggro even as tank gabs more stuff ->resetealth

[sick sentinel]

I guess I don't understand chainpulling then

[lusty grotto]

Mash stealth

[sick sentinel]

Had a tank that would not stop pulling

And it would not let me stealth

[modern brook]

unless your tank is pulling more shit into the same pull

in which case hes just bad at pulling

[lusty grotto]

But

That's chain pulling

[primal crypt]

That's proper chain

Pull into next group

BUT

[lusty grotto]

I'm with weep on this one guys

[modern brook]

then i propse introducing a better terminology

[sick sentinel]

Yeah it doesn't let rogues stealth

[primal crypt]

You shouldnt always chain like that

[lusty grotto]

Pulling fast is pulling fast

[primal crypt]

You should "chain" multi groups

[sick sentinel]

If you're pulling a lot of stuff your rogue is useless without stealth

[modern brook]

you should rarely chain like that

[lusty grotto]

Chain pull is chain pull

[primal crypt]

Big group small group big group small group

[mental tundra]

Do anyone know if theres a list of where belf racial i useful in m+ besides for the fearshits in KR 😃

[modern brook]

uhhh

[lusty grotto]

Anything that's purgeable

[primal crypt]

And you only pull into another group if it's a pat that you dont want to miss

[modern brook]

if its a buff, belf is useful

[lusty grotto]

Bone shield in UR for example

[mental tundra]

Boneshields gets removed?

[lusty grotto]

Use decent name plates that have purge able buffs imo

[mental tundra]

Didnt know that 😮

[modern brook]

^

[primal crypt]

Otherwise you wont move into another group

KUI is bis

[mental tundra]

I use kui 😃

[lusty grotto]

Elvui nameplates have purgeable buffs on them

[main vault]

ThreatPlates

[modern brook]

The big 3 imo: the lightning shield on the walker rider dudes in ToS; bone shield in underrot; basically every pull in shrine

[primal crypt]

Elvui namplates have fucked up buff icons

[main vault]

ML has a shitton too

[modern brook]

ML has earth shield and what else?

[main vault]

The dmg buff

[modern brook]

toxic blades?

[primal crypt]

Nah. Not toxix

Toxic*

[modern brook]

Noxxic blades :^)

[main vault]

Its the self dmgh buff the things put on

[primal crypt]

The shield from the rock dude

Tectonic barrier

[lusty grotto]

Yikes noxxic blades

[modern brook]

-20% damage debuff

because its noxxic

[potent anvil]

your pulling strategy should revolve based on what would make the most sense. if you have a rogue and you plan on making a large pull, then let the rogue restealth. likewise, if you have 2 mobs remaining on an original pull, it makes more sense to drag them into another pull instead of wasting time killing off 2 mobs by themselves. especially if the next pull will still be treated as a downtime pull for CDs

[inland mesa]

they cut deep, with misinformation

[lusty grotto]

Deswind it also revolves around affixes

[primal crypt]

Deswind coming in with the words

[potent anvil]

hence why i said, "would make the most sense"

[primal crypt]

Hai deswind

[potent anvil]

👋

[primal crypt]

I was compared to you the other night

WHY CANT YOU JUST PLAY LIKE DESWIND

[lusty grotto]

I'm confused

[primal crypt]

must have seen you on stream tanking

[lusty grotto]

I go away a week and now mages are shit, there's a new yellow, and spell reflect got people CE

[potent anvil]

just thunderclap, thats how i play lol

[modern brook]

^^^^^^

I like deswind

[main vault]

tbf mages weere shit before

[modern brook]

💪

[primal crypt]

Yeah, mages were not top tier

Casters in general

[lusty grotto]

Magechip was always top tier

Is

[primal crypt]

Only ranged you really liked were hunters

[lusty grotto]

I mean is

[modern brook]

WHOA

hang on

[lusty grotto]

Fuk

[modern brook]

no one likes hunters

[primal crypt]

Mage was good for kite comps

Hunters are dank memes

[main vault]

Hunters and Boomy are only ranged worth a shit anymore

[primal crypt]

Now that tyrannical has no one shot mechanics like legion

[modern brook]

hunters only saving grace in bfa is that demon hunter managed to be an even more brain dead spec

so they're no longer the stereotypical retard calss

[primal crypt]

Legion you sought out the tankier classes

So mages/locks were top, they also did more dmg

[lusty grotto]

By tankier you mean with invuln buffs

[primal crypt]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

I'm a good Warrior too

[modern brook]

Locks were top because aff was dumb by end of antorus

[primal crypt]

24 tyrannical hyrja

Yikes

[lusty grotto]

Lul

[main vault]

End of Antorus?

[sick sentinel]

Aff in antorus was beautiful

[primal crypt]

Locks were amazing

[main vault]

Afflock was dumb by NH

[sick sentinel]

Before drain soul nerf

[primal crypt]

Seed spam

[sick sentinel]

I could outheal healers

[primal crypt]

Drain soul

[sick sentinel]

Na

[modern brook]

I didnt want my time line to be wrong because i dont play bad fotm specs

[primal crypt]

Confirmed

Weep is fotm

[sick sentinel]

Seed spam wasn't good for everything

[main vault]

^

[primal crypt]

Weep means fotm

[modern brook]

If my class canonically cannot deadlift more than me is it even worth playing?

[main vault]

I mean it was good for AoE

[sick sentinel]

UA cleave was better for sustain