Kite more depending on affixs, and ur comp
#protection
lavish oracle
I wish I didn't have to PUG
warm sierra
Im in a server with only a handful (like 50) fairly good m+ players and they all have their teams, so building a score is the only way i have to push to good content lol.
sick sentinel
I prefer pugging, gives me more of a challenge
lavish oracle
I mean, you can get into teams with people from other servers
sick sentinel
It's why I kinda dislike raids
warm sierra
@lavish oracle Only if you have a good score or 8/8M on the first months
main vault
That is 100% false
If you don’t think there are players like you on other servers you are wrong
Kjells Angels started as a pug team
lavish oracle
Honestly, as a tank people add you after runs all the time; the challenge is finding people you like who are also of a similar skill level
main vault
Exactly
As you pug you find a dps who isn’t shit
Then a healer
Then you have a team
If you want it you have to make it happen not expect someone else find you
somber dragon
yes
main vault
Had to happen eventually since I am always right
uneven mason
RIP sorry boys, caused the end of the world
main vault
Even you have to be right sometimes
uneven mason
I think its more like the broken clock being right twice a day
main vault
Lol
warm sierra
Yeah, i had a full team with good players (and friendly) before, its a complete different way to play the game lol. But some quit the game, some got really casual and some went to another team. So im trying to get a new one. And as a dps from an unpopular server it makes things way harder. As a tank, it might be different.
sand egret
i dunno what happened but I blame Mac
main vault
Server and etc is bullshit
Idc what server people are from if they can’t interrupt or don’t stun
warm sierra
I had one tank that joined my group, and after i said "hello", he left. Then he whispers me: "10/10 people of your server have no skills at all". I replied i have 3 more mythic kills than you, and my main has more score as well. People are just dumb sometimes.
uneven mason
I mean, case in point, my server is a tiny server, with very casual players, annnnnnd then its got Jdot
main vault
Are you on Turylon?
uneven mason
yeah
uneven mason
more or less, the server at large would push you to thinking "man, not much here" but its got some of the top M+ folks, cause thats what they decided todo, Was supporting the whole idea that "no such thing as a shit server" (except ragnaros)
sand egret
streaming culture just killing fun
warm sierra
at least they fixed the cyclone strike
cinder nova
IS THAT BULLSHIT
sand egret
what was wrong with cyclone strike?
uneven mason
boss was tracking folks
stone crag
it's in the SR spreadsheet notes
uneven mason
one shotting you
sand egret
people don't just walk backwards....?
uneven mason
"BACKPEDALING WTF"
warm sierra
@sand egret The animation of the boss followed you, but the cone was still still where it was first casted
uneven mason
yeah, water dude in shrine does that shit with his charge occasionally
warm sierra
you kinda positioned all guys infront of the tank and it was easy to get through it, but for random people it was a mess
uneven mason
wwas in a shrine 12 and the healer ate it cause boss was spinning like a top
Also
fuckers in KR
doing that shit
sand egret
yeah im ok with the tracking, but impact zone not matching up is straight busted
guess I never noticed it
cinder nova
tbh I hit the jackpot on temple
sick sentinel
Fuck u
chrome falcon
these ghuun nerfs are fucking hilarious considering we had a 200k hp wipe yesterday
😃 🔫
sick sentinel
Two times I tried shrine. Both times, my rogue/DH couldn't fucking watch cleave
chrome falcon
i can't believe we could SR the mushrooms though that is hilarious, how much damage did it do?
sick sentinel
More than you think, less than you hope
warm sierra
Ah one final noob question. I usually play with 170-190ms, would this be a critical issue for playing the spec?
sick sentinel
If ur used to it, and can play around it then no
If ur struggling right now with it, then yes
errant shuttle
is prot war spell reflect patched?
sick sentinel
Yup
sick sentinel
Damn
smoky moon
@chrome falcon https://i.imgur.com/Ppb7E67.png
sick sentinel
Gotta nerf the slug fuck for the people who aren't CE or can't put Ghuun on farm yet
warm plinth
Plot twist: They nerfed his HP to make up for the 3 million HP you can't spell reflect now 😂
sick sentinel
Exactly
warm plinth
In positive news, they fixed Adderis facing every which way during Cyclone Strike
So you can see where he's casting it now
chrome falcon
jesus fucking christ that is hilarious
sick sentinel
I'm kinda glad I barely learn or find out about these bugs/exploits until almost after the fact
chrome falcon
i'm so mad i missed out on that
warm plinth
I still miss the last fun SR glitch
Sending Dargrul flying through the air from reflecting Molten Crash 😂
sick sentinel
Wait did they fix the cheese in Temple since they fixed that snake fuck
stone crag
🤣
warm plinth
It doesn't actually say they did, but that's a good question.
These are the only dungeon/raid changes
sick sentinel
I swear to fuck if they didnt
stone crag
sending dargrul flying was great
warm plinth
But it could be undocumented
warm plinth
Probably the kind of thing you wouldn't share even slightly how to do so people don't try to do it with other shit lol
sick sentinel
If whoever found that shit out, u know they are trying like 100 different ways for other dungeons
warm plinth
Idk, I was saying yesterday that it'd be mechanically easy to fix: just make it so you can't activate a key if a boss in that dungeon is dead. IIRC you can still reset mythics to respawn everything; just can't get loot twice in a week.
Oh yeah, for sure.
sick sentinel
For all we know they might find some invisible stairs in KR that let's u skip the trash and go to all the bosses or some shit
Or, they figure out a way to just delete KR
warm plinth
lol. Go in, drop key, type the Konami code, instant key completion
sick sentinel
At least I'm given another option for KR that isn't blowing my brains out
sick sentinel
its not fixed, just did it for an 18
main vault
It’s game files duh
sick sentinel
main vault
Like AQ
warm plinth
RIP
sick sentinel
What isn't fixed prawn
sick sentinel
Nothing, move along
main vault
Yup a Temple
main vault
Really though?
warm plinth
So we fix SR reflecting Malignant Growth, but you can still trivialize a dungeon.
sick sentinel
I can and cant
warm plinth
I can. Small indie company.
sick sentinel
I GUESSS EVERYONE IS GONNA THREE CHEST THERE FUCKING KEYS IT SEEMS
warm plinth
So angry
sick sentinel
It's in the name
warm plinth
sick sentinel
Even I have to live up to it
main vault
So does it work if I leave after the third and keep my lockout?
Can I just keep running it after?
As long as I go last boss first?
warm plinth
Gonna have people's .ios looking like 11, 10, 11, 10, 9, 12, 11, 10, 11, 23
main vault
Lol
oblique garnet
Lul
sick sentinel
At least I can take solace in the fact that a Prot warrior did more damage(duh) and more healing than a bdk, who were both similar geared
timber nest
where in the log do you check spell reflected damage?
main vault
@sick sentinel someone in Bear said his mate told him he was watching a stream where they tried it but it didn’t work
stone crag
link?
surreal stump
u mean teh door opening? or the last boss buff cheese?
astral crystal
Oh I meant ghuun exploit
surreal stump
oh yeah hotfixed ;/
stone crag
pretty sure nexi is talking about the temple shit
surreal stump
they had topost twice
cause someone forgot its a new year
Rhan’ka’s Escape Plan is no longer usable in Mythic keystone dungeons, raids, or rated PvP areas. fucking wowhead
surreal stump
the doors were whatever, but getting the buff from last boss and using it to clear whole dungeon was stupid lol
main vault
Is it fixed?
sick sentinel
It fucking better be
surreal stump
supposedly per the redit been hotfixed i dotn see in notes tho
but everyones whos trying reports they cant do it
main vault
Ok
sick sentinel
Well time to wait tommorow and see if people get banned or have some shit rolled back
Because if not, oh boy I can't wait for the next bug because I will be using it
daring patrol
sick sentinel
I personally don't care I got a +16 tyrn done, so I'm good
Just fucking bothers me
astral crystal
Lesson learned, don’t put too much stock on third party imaginary scoring systems for a game devs give less than 2 shits about
main vault
If we didn’t there would be no point in playing
main vault
Honestly was going to until I picked War up
merry cave
Lol why nerf ghuun now.. bit late 2 weeks before next teir
wheat bronze
I got the 385 upgrade token for pvp this week
Do you think +15 azerite shoulders or +10 weapon
Azerite probably?
That's a good amount of primary
Plus better traits
sick sentinel
link both
oblique garnet
^
silver egret
Morning peeps , as a prot warrior i noticed having fun tanking everything with almost no exceptions but zul
did anyone face any problems against that mf ?
Talking about Mythic
oblique garnet
Zul is annoying piece of shit with the worst mechanic ever
dim blaze
How important is shield ilvl? Can’t find stuff regarding that in stat weights (like block stat)
My shield is 345 and can’t find a damn shield
dim blaze
Really want a dang shield upgrade then lol
sick sentinel
it shouldn't be that bad for you
the dot is physical
if its breaking your balls, just do 3 stacks
stone crag
what does it being physical have to do
sick sentinel
it ticks for a lot less on warriors
if you're keeping IP and staying in the aoe healing until the last second
you really shouldn't be getting owned
sounds like a healer issue
lavish oracle
It ignores armor
stone crag
Bleeds bypass armor if that's what you're getting at
lavish oracle
It doesn't tick for any less on warrior than it does on another tank
aside from during IP, anyways
stone crag
if anything it'd be less on bear considering their main mitigation is armor stacking
but since it bypasses all armor...
sick sentinel
really? it ignores armor?
thats so weird if true, I take far less damage on prot than dk from the dot
could just be IP uptime I suppose
are you sure?>
stone crag
100%
with certainty, bleeds bypass armor
there have been a couple exceptions, but zul's is not one of them
cinder nova
Bleeds have ignored armor for OVER A DECADE.
stone crag
cinder nova
What's there to be confused about?
oblique garnet
Its because you dont take that much damage from zul as you do on your dk
sick sentinel
warrior
dk
except same amount of stacks, prot is far less <_<
if it's a bleed ignoring armor
shouldn't they be almost identical
cinder nova
No.
You're not factoring literally anything else that can absorb damage.
Also DR
Demo Shout + Wall makes a happy tank
sick sentinel
if it's absorbed it still would be reflected here
cinder nova
A lot of other warriors are showing ~60K average ticks
ionic fern
cinder nova
It's probably just DR paired against uptime.
Check buffs both external and internal
See what's up during each point you had stacks
stone crag
https://i.imgur.com/82crN14.png same number of stacks, different tick, one with iron fur and bear form, the other without both
ionic fern
Easiest way is go to "EVENTS" and check the number behind "R:" that should be the raw damage w/o any mitigation.
So first tick's raw damage was 29.4k
Same for my paladins co-tank
And same for a random BDK
And now check mitigation
sick sentinel
Oh thats super useful
Wtf
Chur
Literally just shout and good ip usage
thats the difference
and you're right, big SB made a huge difference
ionic fern
I mean, warrior is all about mitigation with Shield Wall & SR & Demo & IP. 😂
sick sentinel
SW* not SB
Of course
It's more I just couldn't understand him saying he was getting destroyed
When on prot it felt safer LOL
But it's good to understand exactly why
oblique garnet
Im just worried with the way how warrior is now it will be gutted in 8.1.5
oblique garnet
Or that
Like i have a feeling blizzard will go overboard and turn it into bear tier
Prebuff
ionic fern
And buffs to BDK/Monk to remain the kings.
Paladin gets nothing so stays mid pack
Warrior gets EN treatment
VDH doesn't exist
Druid gets a buff to get back up there.
Every balancing patch ever.
😂
sick sentinel
Lowkey been keeping my druid relevant just in case
oblique garnet
Im legit rerolling into dps if that happens
sick sentinel
Im prepared
main vault
Im quitting WoW
stone crag
👏
main vault
If they nerf War I dont have time for this shit anymore
warm plinth
Well, BDK and Monk got nerfed last time, so I don't think that'll happen. Worst case scenario they stay where they are tbh. Paladins really aren't bad right now I thought. VDH and druids both need something to change horribly though. I think Warrior is in a good spot right now, though our damage is probably a little over the top.
ionic fern
Paladins ain't bad, thats why i said that they get nothing. 😄
They rarely touch paladins
main vault
Pally is fine
War is fine but needs dmg nerf
DK is actually fine now, Monk needs more nerf
warm plinth
Only change I'd make to pally is take HotP back off of the GCD
main vault
The other two, yikes
warm plinth
Druids definitely got a much needed damage buff, and tbh I don't know what would make them viable again in M+. I think reverting Frenzied Regen back to a % of damage taken would be a nice start though.
Or at least let it be modified by Nature's Guardian
warm plinth
Yeah, which just isn't something you really need in M+
Obviously they have to tune for both raiding and M+ though, so that's gotta make it difficult.
ionic fern
Can't say that druids were that good in m+ in Legion either..but that was probably because every other tank could just selfsustain and roflstomp it.
main vault
Druids were only ok early
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, all tanks looked like shit next to the immortal DH and DK gods in Legion
main vault
And bad late
warm plinth
But druids were really terrible at the end
MoU removal was the beginning of the end
imo
hollow thorn
I dont see Bear druid being viable in M+ unless they got some huge changes in utility
They have nothing compared to the other good tanks
warm plinth
Yeah the problem is they really don't bring anything to the table
sick sentinel
Ursols was soooooo good though lol
warm plinth
Yeah Ursols was broken, but I think removing it entirely was a tad overkill.
warm plinth
Yeah you do have ursol's vortex which is huge
warm plinth
Don't ruin fun Mwahi
ionic fern
😂
warm plinth
Let dreamers dream
sick sentinel
you can do some pretty big damage in raid
so long as you don't have to tank
and can stay in kitty 👀
main vault
Can resto druids tank?
ionic fern
Can guardians tank?
main vault
In raids?
main vault
Well what he is referring to is catweaving and you cant stay in kitty and do it
sick sentinel
can you imagine being the dev pitching that
main vault
Different but ok
sick sentinel
'so ive got this idea, hear me out guys, i want druid tank to be good dps, but guys, get this, they cant tank while they do it'
main vault
I mean I have this argument with people all the time
They left the possibly in the game to do it
So if its possible, and better results, its only using the kit
If they didnt want it to be better they could stop it like they did in Legion
idle kindle
is the ghuun trinket good for tanking??
stone crag
no
lavish oracle
Is the blackout barrel targeting a tank a bug or is there something I can do to avoid it that I'm not doing?
ionic fern
Never had it go on me before..tho i haven't done a FH key this week yet .
distant crystal
i did a FH earlier today, never went on me 🤷
maybe a dps had aggro on that guy?
or maybe all ranged dps and nobody else in range?
ionic fern
It goes on a random player regardless of range.
But pretty sure it going on a tank is a bug.
sly thicket
Why did they nerf spell reflect on malignant growth? Was it some kind of exploit (im not a prot warrior and we never had the option for one on ghuun)
hollow thorn
It was doing 600k dmg per spell reflect
vivid needle
Lul
sly thicket
was it actually worth it to bring a prot?
hollow thorn
Why wouldnt it be worth a prot to Ghuun, any tank is viable
sly thicket
i meant more like, was this a big deal and people were switching from their main to use it
warm plinth
He's asking if it was worth bringing a prot just to spell reflect the shit
If you were having a lot of close wipes I guess maybe it was worth it? It was approximately 2% of his health on mythic if you did it right.
sly thicket
alright, ty for your answers
warm plinth
I think people were doing it more for the memes than anything though.
ionic fern
I mean
My friends guild ran 3 tanks on Ghuun progress to spell reflect that shit. 🤷
2.67m damage reflected
hollow thorn
Now thats a lot of dmg
nova gale
@lavish oracle it targets a non-tank, but if the targeted player blinks away from where it lands and you stand there instead, you will get barelled
amber siren
sick sentinel
She said it way before the patch notes were out
well it was 2 hours after our raid finished and it worked for me
guess it got patched in NA since it was late in EU
merry cave
Still such a dumb change given there's 2 weeks left of uldir
Quick wars are popular nerf it
merry cave
It only hurts the guilds still progging super last min
They sound of fixed it months ago or not at all
vale anchor
Havent personally done ghuun on my warrior. Did the reflect just do alot of dmg or ... ?
junior igloo
Yes.
An average dps would do around 2M damage in Phase 3.
A prot warrior would do more than that with just SR, on top of your regular damage.
vale anchor
aah yea thats alot lol, cheers for clarifying
wise solstice
How many reflect casts could you get in phase 3?
sick sentinel
25s cd
wise solstice
And how many do you reflect each time?
sick sentinel
if you assume 2min 15s
5
uhh
you could reflect as many as you could stand in
so
sometimes 2-3 sometimes 5
which if growth does 180k a hit (it doesnt i think)
4.5mil dmg
this doesn't account for the timers of malignant growth though
this just assumes they're up every 25s when you want to SR, which I'm not sure about
wise solstice
150 per hit.
sick sentinel
3.75mil
sick sentinel
Where can I see how many people in the world have the +15 all dungeons achiv
hollow thorn
whats the achieve called
ionic fern
Battle for Azeroth Keystone Master: Season One
hollow thorn
i found a website a while back that said how many got different achieves
CEs and Curves etc
tropic wedge
Hi, do you know a very good war tank who stream or post on youtube ? just to watch his gameplay 😃 (sorry for my english I am french ^^')
hollow thorn
I think Sense streams
sick sentinel
as does Lala
ionic fern
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeCzc4cLBfj_VxtgF31n-hA
You can check YT as well if you just watch to check the gameplay
tropic wedge
Thx I will check 😃
oblique garnet
im still missing shrine 15 on time zzz
sick sentinel
@Late#1351 did you see my shrine +15 in time comp?
primal crypt
Best comp imo
@oblique garnet i might be going ww monk
Prob new meta
Or meta again
oblique garnet
Lul
primal crypt
Ring aoe stun mastery buff
steady slate
I missed another +10 last night. Once again, we came close, but just couldn't get over the hump.
hollow thorn
F
primal crypt
F
oblique garnet
@primal crypt got my dh at almost 1.3k io already with 367 gear xD
primal crypt
xD
hollow thorn
got my DH to 1.6k this week
primal crypt
Lmao
My dh is still at 960
I dont even have a shrine....
Barely touch my dh though
oblique garnet
Deattu i got it to 120 like 2 days ago
hollow thorn
I was forced to come my DH for 17 TD, and now my friend has 1 more score than me cus he has better TD cus time
oblique garnet
Oh yeah its reset day for na
hollow thorn
This is the week ppl go "oh shit i want that achieve"
hollow thorn
"Next week is horrible, i need to do it this week"
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet
primal crypt
And Im done
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
Yeah i havent been doing alot of keys with my warrior
primal crypt
16k
green pine
hollow thorn
i smash dps as prot, but i dont really top, cus i play with good ppl 🤔
was fun doing almost 18k overall in 13 Waycrest
sick sentinel
I am running 3x390BoM
hollow thorn
no DC monkaS
sick sentinel
And we depleted a shrine 15 by 3 sec
oblique garnet
Oh youre playing on same realm as i am xD
sick sentinel
So I tailored my pulls so I had ava+trinket for every pull
topaz badger
so, does warr feel better now? I haven't played yet. do we feel the buffs more than the DC nerf?
oblique garnet
Yes
hollow thorn
much better
topaz badger
oh but we should still try to keep DC?
oblique garnet
Yes
topaz badger
cool 😃
oblique garnet
@ionic fern
jagged bay
gz kage
primal crypt
@ionic fern what's your overall perspective to warrior tanking
Do they motigate as well as us?
ionic fern
PALADIN tanking i guess you ment.
ionic fern
In general paladin feels like a more forgiving warrior in the sense that if you make a mistake you can recover from it by youself via LOTP/HOTP/LOA etc.
They are more spikier tho but imo they make up for it with the utility they bring.
Like poisons and shit isn't a problem for a paladin cause we can cleanse them ourselves. 🤷
But warrior is a lot more sturdier when played correctly and has access to CD's more often due to AM.
Also Warrior does more AoE damage compared to paladin who's big AoE hitter Avenger's Shield has a target cap. 😒
ionic fern
But it isn't too bad since in m+ situation you get enough procs of AS for it to not be noticable. 😄
ionic fern
:D:D
Just play multiple.:D
Paladins utility is just amazing in some dungeons. :')
KR comes to mind with all the immunities/offheals. 😄
ionic fern
I'm trying to keep up with Paladin/Warrior/BDK right now regarding gear.
primal crypt
My pally is super undergeared compared to my other two
Warr is like 388
Dk is at 382
sick sentinel
I only have 1 tank
primal crypt
Dont know if I want to try and do more and get the third
sick sentinel
:((
primal crypt
I mean, the pally is at like 360
primal crypt
But man...not getting azerite makes it feel so bad
ionic fern
375 should be fairly easy and do-able with a couple of weekly 10's and then buying azerite gear.
sick sentinel
A Pala tank can solo all the interrupts of the third boss of shrine
sick sentinel
Yeah
primal crypt
Yeah, having constant interrupts is busted
ionic fern
But jeah, Shrine is a decent key for paladins as well just due to the plain interrupts.
You just have to be SUPER CAREFUL with AS since it bounces to 3rd dimension from time to time pulling random shit
primal crypt
Like vengeance dh glaive
ionic fern
Like the first boss in Shrine..when it charges to the left corner you can't AS since it will pull the windspeaker.
😒
ionic fern
Jep. Tho i usually clear the stairs now.
ionic fern
Jeah, hence why i clear it..especially in pugs. 😂
primal crypt
Well that's enough paladin insight for me
I may touch it, I may not
Too busy leveling a hunter right now
dim blaze
How do you guys feel about the affixes this week? New tank I was able to tank 8/10 dungeons last week on 10 difficulty but not sure if im up for necrotic/sanguine
oblique garnet
Wait its necrotic sanguine next week?
sick sentinel
The first 15 shrine that I missed by 3.8sec I was fury with a prot pala tank
He died on first and second boss
ionic fern
How o.o
ionic fern
Anything starting with Fortified is annoying. Grievous just needs a lot of fish feasts and a decent healer.
Sanguine makes you want to kys on certain dungeons coughWMcough
oblique garnet
Fuck sanguine
dim blaze
I was having trouble pugging shrine last week due to the 2nd boss my group was missing a lot of interrupts and interrupting at wrong time. Easier week to get that dungeon done?
Tyrannical was annoying
ionic fern
You just need 2 melees in the grp and set up a interrupt order before pulling the boss.
Or a elemental shaman..iirc they have a 12s interupt also
primal crypt
@ember arrow LOL
ionic fern
Yes, they reverted it back into Legion.
ionic fern
C u
ember arrow
markiplier
primal crypt
Infexious Gaming
ember arrow
gamer mode: deactivated 😎
ember arrow
im sitting here playing a game from literally a indie company
that has 100 times the content
and polish
and is free
triple aaaaayayayay companies are bad atm, but thanks to bliz i discovered other, much better games, so im thankful for that
though that will be hard to explain in their salespitch
oblique garnet
But yamo didnt you hear soldier 76 is now gay
oblique garnet
Yup
ionic fern
Call him..Soldier 69
ionic fern
You are the majority (probably) meaning that what ever you feel/think is bad and you're opressing someone.
primal crypt
Everywhere I look, gay this gay that, it's a meme now lmao
It's bad when your orientation is a meme
ember arrow
@primal crypt soldier 76 new character screen
primal crypt
Working against you lmao
oblique garnet
Finland hasnt embraced the lgbt yet atleast
ember arrow
swedistan did
primal crypt
It's only opening in the states because it's the new trend
oblique garnet
But because of multiple reasons
primal crypt
A new hashtag
ember arrow
there are more mosques built last 20 years than churches in last 100 years in europe
🤔
people should stop being inclusive and start having some pride for once, and dont worry about offending
like @primal crypt korea
oblique garnet
But levko youre being racist
ember arrow
yes
primal crypt
My wife wants to go back to AU
oblique garnet
Au?
primal crypt
Australia
ember arrow
Au hell no
primal crypt
Better than the highly offended US she says
ember arrow
can always go norf korea
primal crypt
She went to Starbucks and offended the baristas
ember arrow
much closer
primal crypt
Dont know what she said
ember arrow
and people there are always happy on tv when it shows them
primal crypt
But she tried to joke with them
ember arrow
so must be good
oblique garnet
I wonder how the american tourists can handle visiting finnish lapland when the people here are by far the most racist people in the planet and actually dont really care if they offend someone🤔
primal crypt
^
oblique garnet
Its in the UK aswell
primal crypt
Thats what my wife says
ivory hedge
is running 3x bloodsport worth it?
oblique garnet
No
primal crypt
She says people get too butt hurt
ivory hedge
would 2 bloodsport+1 deafening be a better setup?
primal crypt
Is bloodsport your only options??
Because it's better now than 8.0
But still would use dps traits over bloodsport imo
But I'm a dps mongo
oblique garnet
If you arent making the dps sweat youre not playing correctly
oblique garnet
20k fine everytime a dps loses to you in overall dps in m+
crystal creek
Hrm, I'd lose the first one, then go double or nothing.
crystal creek
Get'm confident, yep.
ionic fern
I could swap one of the Azerite Veins for Heed my call but not sure how much it does overall. 🤔
ionic fern
I mean, gutripper has me questioning..does around 1-1.5% in m+ overall. 😒
Maybe should swap that for Overwhelming power also.
uneven mason
some of the DPS Traits IIRC, have reduced proc chances for tanks
ionic fern
Idk, it feels lackluster atleast in m+.
gaunt dawn
🙈
gaunt dawn
Heed is consistent, overwhelming is consistent, gutripper is high hp targets
thats how you view it
gaunt dawn
not on my phone today 😉
generally you wont notice much of an impact on the more consistent ones as neither trait will have a large impact on how long you can stay in
thats decided by your healer
(and yourself)
1 extra thunderclap does more than either trait
primal crypt
BoM
gaunt dawn
at any given proc scenario
sick sentinel
🙏
gaunt dawn
whats your pvp rating?
sick sentinel
pls dont say that
primal crypt
Pvp box still gives azerite??
gaunt dawn
all those pvp players totally use M+ azerite from the vendor
sick sentinel
in 42 minutes I will report back with my success
primal crypt
Doesn't drop from box anymore
gaunt dawn
in b4 a new wave of pvp players has just started from that knowledge
uneven mason
"Yo we heard you didn't like having a random chance to get your best traits from a box, so we decided to give you no chance of getting your best traits, and instead give you a currency that will take you 9 months to buy a specific piece at the appropriate ilvl, but hey, at least its a goal to work for...except we didn't actually include an appropriate system to generate this currency, so its literally the same of no getting what you need, but now you have a new currency line"
primal crypt
@uneven mason that took some time.
crystal creek
It was well thought.
primal crypt
Thought you lagged out
uneven mason
I had to complete their line of reasoning
uneven mason
"BAD CONCEPT - FIX FOR BAD CONCEPT - REALIZATION THAT ITS A WORSE SITUATION THAN BEFORE - NOT GIVING A FUCK"
primal crypt
More like 12 months
uneven mason
the 415 pieces will cost over 3000residium
primal crypt
Mac was being nice
uneven mason
at 180~ per week
lusty grotto
Hello warries chef nimchip is back
primal crypt
Hai nim
gaunt dawn
the rate of return is linear with the increase in price
crystal creek
WB.
gaunt dawn
not sure if you missed that memo
uneven mason
Its still a shit system
lusty grotto
Yamo you're on timeout for running tw yesterday
sand egret
its tw week?
primal crypt
Guild said get to neck 38
gaunt dawn
Ok, so you feel its a shit system.
What are your solutions that aren't "just let it drop lmao"?
lusty grotto
It was
crystal creek
He's a TW maximizer.
primal crypt
So i got to 38
sand egret
ah
lusty grotto
Not today though
sick sentinel
Why would you buy specific lol
primal crypt
No no
uneven mason
our 3 BiS Azerite drop from the raid
primal crypt
They're good
primal crypt
Raid will be worth doing now
crystal creek
they got DC? can't be allllll bad.
primal crypt
Raid has all the traits
sand egret
ya know whats a classic line to hear from healer: “you coulda lived, I didnt use Ironbark”
lusty grotto
Haste trinket and absorb trinket are sexy too
uneven mason
FUCKING IV
primal crypt
Everything
uneven mason
it has IV
uneven mason
we need raid trinkets worth a damn
primal crypt
@oblique garnet link trinket plz
uneven mason
the RAGE trinket is almost worth using
oblique garnet
?
lusty grotto
Yamo I'm trying to participate in the conversation here
uneven mason
absorb trinket is hot garbage Nim
crystal creek
I'm rollin DC 2xBoM and a Knot.
primal crypt
Faster thumbs
uneven mason
OH yes, I got knot finally lastnight
uneven mason
use both?
lusty grotto
Absorb trinket not 
2.0 mac
primal crypt
Mastery trinket
crystal creek
I'm knot falling for that joke again.
uneven mason
vial is mastery trinket
oblique garnet
Ah yes the ritual feather
sand egret
love me that Knot
sick sentinel
Same
primal crypt
@uneven mason mastery on use
uneven mason
Rez and Vial will do it
primal crypt
Like 1200+ mastery?
lusty grotto
Eh isn't ritual feather from WQs?
sick sentinel
I just realised, I can get more dps from my middle traits
uneven mason
you're going to get more DPS from the vial I'd think
sand egret
did you get a sick TF?
uneven mason
Rezan is a nobrainer
primal crypt
Sick as af tf
lusty grotto
Hmm so those are increasing in ilvl or what
oblique garnet
strenght stat stick gives 600 or so mastery
primal crypt
GG
sand egret
if there’s a lucky TF i want its the Emblem of Zandalar
primal crypt
Which one is that
oblique garnet
Lines up pretty good with avatar
sand egret
better rezans
primal crypt
Looking it up brb
lusty grotto
Interesting that the emmisary one is increasing in ilvl
sand egret
a haste proc thats up like 50%
gaunt dawn
so what pieces are bis next raid from the raid that youre claiming?
lusty grotto
Yeah emblem is another emmisary one right?
sand egret
i had it early on and did proc tests vs rezans
gaunt dawn
i presume opulence head?
primal crypt
Oh man
sand egret
and it was half the haste double the proc
primal crypt
WQ TF gamble
sand egret
way more consistent
lusty grotto
Idk man, I've been spoiled by rezan
primal crypt
I havent seen that trinket on the board in a while
sand egret
you can have both!
marble cipher
Rezan, it's a hoax, it does not exist!
sand egret
is it available to horde?
crystal creek
I don't know about any BiS since I don't know how some of the BfD traits will work, but there's at least a good mix of the current traits in there, much mores so than Uldir.
primal crypt
It is
lusty grotto
Not when i wnat that sexy mastery
primal crypt
Alliance scam
cosmic cargo
vial is very underbudgeted
lusty grotto
🤔
lusty grotto
3x BoM 3x DC isn't bis for raids though
For m+ yes
For raids, I doubt it
Especially for mythic pushing
primal crypt
I dont raid like that xD
cosmic cargo
BfI is more ST damage, no?
oblique garnet
Yes
primal crypt
I only raid to get m+ score*
lusty grotto
So the word BiS should be accompanied by the content type
cosmic cargo
and that set up is only bis for dps even in dungeons
signal plover
BiS has been pretty tricky to apply since Legion
primal crypt
Pure dps set up yes
lusty grotto
Yeah yamo but not everyone that come shere asking for bis sets is doing the same
cosmic cargo
you might do better to replace 2 of the DC for pushing
lusty grotto
Right paw
primal crypt
I didn't say 3x3 was bis
sick sentinel
imagine how big your 👏 's would be with 3x BoM 3xDC
youd get liftoff
M+ wetdream
signal plover
I will say that 3x BoM and 3x DC will be absolutely bonkers aoe lol
oblique garnet
3x BoM with 1 DC 2x Bfi or 2x IF will probably be bis for every content
cosmic cargo
though for raid pushing you'll likely go 1x DC and whatever you get high ilvl first
lusty grotto
You mean 👢 🍵 👏 right
signal plover
Boot soup clap yes
cosmic cargo
getting 415 asap will be way more valuable than hunting specifics
lusty grotto
Shut up
lusty grotto
Paw trolling
signal plover
It's soup in eastern Europe ya Brit
sick sentinel
love me some boot soup clap
lusty grotto
Listen man
lusty grotto
Don't me me start pasting chef nimchip pics
signal plover
Idk who else would see that and think tea
sick sentinel
3xbom, 1dc and 2 bfi
signal plover
Most ppl prolly
primal crypt
3bom1dc2bfi
primal crypt
Most ideal set up
signal plover
Ya I'd prolly do 3 bom 1 DC 2 bfi
primal crypt
BTW
signal plover
For raids
crystal creek
It's MoP, get your water strider too.
primal crypt
For 100% demo uptime and 80%avatar
lusty grotto
either way, we dont drink tea here... we drink coffee with yogurt
oblique garnet
Oi
primal crypt
Coffee with yogurt
lusty grotto
Ayyylmao
primal crypt
Yum
oblique garnet
Youre killing me
signal plover
Where do u live? Prison?
primal crypt
Nah, Virginia
oblique garnet
Well yeah usa so technically prison
lusty grotto
YIKES
primal crypt
Vanilla yogurt
signal plover
Hurt her hue
cosmic cargo
coffee with yogurt what the actual fuck
lusty grotto
Late with the shots fired
primal crypt
sick sentinel
like in the coffee? @primal crypt
signal plover
Coffee with yogurt is like the perfect representative ignorance of Virginia
modern brook
yeah hes a fucking degenerate
primal crypt
Best memes
lusty grotto
coffee with yogurt for your stomach bacteria + morning shits
sick sentinel
you should be jailed for that
primal crypt
xD
primal crypt
It help me move my bowels
primal crypt
Because im lack toast and tolerant
oblique garnet
XD yamo spict
sand egret
eww not Yams abomination coffee....
oblique garnet
Took me a while to get it
signal plover
BOIS SO PROT WARS ARE FUN TO PLAY RIGHT
primal crypt
@oblique garnet 👌
modern brook
no
signal plover
Damn
modern brook
prot war is still bad
lusty grotto
1.5k IO, no demo pre key, eats everything on first boss on Seth, twice because we reset
modern brook
more buffs plz
lusty grotto
mage shit talking while i outdps him, yes it happened yesterday Late
it finally happened
modern brook
"I played with a whole prot warrior and he didnt tank the way i liked, wtf is with your shit class design blizzard?"
primal crypt
Kek
lusty grotto
all because i was in a hurry and picked azralon/rag/queldanas shit players
signal plover
"whole prot warr" 10/10
crystal creek
That's like 3 strikes you're out.
lusty grotto
yeah idk what i was thinking
modern brook
Rag is the lottery tbh