And looking solid for BoD
#protection
signal plover
sand egret
a) people are idiots
b) people don't understand that you can play a game for enjoyment (see point A)
c) people don't also think for themselves and live off of an information drip of clickbait (see point A)
quick lily
haha fair enough
sand egret
both numerically and anecdotally, Prot is more than fine and strong
signal plover
Also prot warr can be punishing if you play it poorly or reactivately
floral tinsel
@quick lily We are afraid prot is so OP that it will be nerfed once people start seeing new world first numbers... aka useing prot warrior in the BDA raid or hitting +23 keys in time (prot warrior just did world first 22 Underrot in time).
๐
quick lily
haha ๐
floral tinsel
So just tell them it is viable ๐
quick lily
nice
sick sentinel
Does every other tank mastery affect their attack power?
floral tinsel
don't want to spread the word to much
sand egret
ya
floral tinsel
yes
sand egret
it's the generic way they scale offense with tanks
sick sentinel
Ok cause I'm thinking they would finally fix our mastery due to BoM and how strong it makes us
Since I doubt they will nerf TC
Unless they nerf the damage and make it slow more
sand egret
if BoM is a huge problem, they can tune down the AP from mastery rate
or simply nerf the trait
floral tinsel
just nerf the trait tbh
hearty flume
hello my friends, anyone have a good off-tank log for mythic fetid?
sand egret
right now though, we're at the stage in the game where players are far out pacing current content scaling. So, when it comes to just facetanking stuff Prot is going to just rip through stuff.
the real gauge will be to see the scene come the 22nd
quick lily
what m+ lvl should i be looking to achieve at 375 ?
sand egret
easily 10+
floral tinsel
It's not a ilvl thing really.. its your skill and knowledge in dungeons that matter
sand egret
i'm at 378 and Im pugging 13s relatively easily tbh
quick lily
rio seems to be an issue for me atm
sand egret
and I consider myself pretty behind in that respect
#1 solution to r.io problems is to ride your own key
floral tinsel
^^
quick lily
fair point ๐
sand egret
even if its a shitty pull, just run it.
quick lily
have a lot of work to do before im comfortable with my play, an issue just now that i have is im not sure where i should be going or what i should be doing for upgrades
sick sentinel
The best(and worst) thing about protection is, we just need to make the number go big up
So no real thought process about what to get
floral tinsel
There are three ways to work your way up in rio... really comes down to what you preffer yourself.. 1. Run with the same 5 group and do each others keys (only works with IRL friends, guildies that are similar skill level or other types of communities) 2. Run your own keys. 3. Once you have done a run in every dongeon to get a baseline score work on one dungeon at the time, try to get in and do one key that is 1 or 2 levels above your current highest, this way you can focus better on the small details.
quick lily
where am i best to look into finding out what best trinkets to use for whatever im doing?
floral tinsel
the icy veins guide is nice
quick lily
im looking to replace my ring in first instance obviously but the other parts im not so sure where to look
floral tinsel
and generally, the dungeon trinkets are better than the uldir trinket by a lot... only really "viable" trinket from uldir is the Mythraxx one
cobalt trellis
would i rather get 385 shield (have 375 now) or
385 onehand weapon (have 370 now) for tank? what would be the better upgrade? mostly m+?
uneven mason
You'll find that Blockades is better than the disc for EHP, but in current content you shouldn't need that
floral tinsel
but again.. ilvl > everything... so if you get one that is high ilvl from there just run it
385 shild is huge
uneven mason
@quick lily you're geared enough to do +22s get on it.
Course, you'll have to work your way up since keys are 90% about knowing the dungeon pulls and not about gear ๐
floral tinsel
lol, not really.. but he can defnetly push high
The biggest thing is.. try to get better traits on your Azerite
uneven mason
hehe
floral tinsel
A single DC is huge
quick lily
i have rezan and blockades both 355
uneven mason
what I meant was
quick lily
is rezan wroth using at such a low ilvl?
uneven mason
you're more than geared for 10s, if you know how to do them
quick lily
worth *
uneven mason
hmmm
how does your SB uptiem feel to you?
its probably not at 355
but rezan contributes to a lot of uptime on SB
sand egret
prob fine with keeping those trinkets tbh
quick lily
i got knot of ancient fury 385 but that doesnt seem like a prot trinket as such?
sand egret
your haste is a tad on the lower side at ~740 but you should be fine
OH
USE That shit son
Eye + Knot imho
green helm
Im with @uneven mason, id take knowledge of pulls, efficient use of cds and kiting over 10 extra ilvl and a bis trait. both impactful but gear can come natural. watch some streams and work your way up from 10s.
quick lily
ok
uneven mason
DID SOMEBODY SAY
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png
CRIT?
sand egret
there it is
uneven mason
the 1min CD on that hting
green helm
peopel focus on gear way too much on this game as a tank when in M+ so much can be done from dungeon knowledge and technique, put more focus into that imo.
uneven mason
is some HNGGG levels of parry
sand egret
the Eye will have the added benefit of being a nice padding if you mess up some stuff working your dungeon knowledge up imho
quick lily
haha, thanks for the tips guys, greatly appreciated!
sand egret
np mate, just get out there and start stomping.
uneven mason
@quick lily go to raider.io and read their weekly guide for the affixes
work your way up through dungeons
follow their pulling paths (get Method Dungeon tools)
quick lily
my raider io desktop app doesnt work, keeps coming up with some error
sand egret
did you update it since the patch?
uneven mason
by the time you get to 10s you should be good and knowledgable
quick lily
yeah its missing some icon?
uneven mason
don't bother wit hthe desktop app
just use the addon
update the file every day
Method DUngeon tools is more important
sincei t lets you SEE your path
quick lily
i just downloaded that one ty
uneven mason
before you're balls deep in a dungeon
quick lily
haha
main vault
There is a desktop app?
uneven mason
use the raider.io website, to get the pulling paths for MDT
they do one every week
for each affix
quick lily
ok, cheers!
sand egret
but in a last note re: r.io stuff, wowhead does a base route for each dungeon so I just learned one route for each place and practiced it. I only pug so it was a bit of trial and error with my own key but once I got that down it was easy to deviate.
uneven mason
since that'll timer the shit out of most keys
yeah what Bladesong said
in pugs do basic routs
memorize them
sand egret
don't even bother with shit like death skips etc, tbh
uneven mason
death skips are pro strat and will eat up 5 minutes or more of REEEEEEEEE time over just takign 2 minutes and killing the extra pack
sand egret
but, that said, you should learn why they are used and where, as it's usually because of certain aspects of the dungeon (nasty trash, etc.)
uneven mason
I think he left
uneven mason
he'll be back in like 2 hours going "hows this work"
main vault
iirc the basic paths dont use any shroud or skips?
sand egret
not that I saw
oblique garnet
freehold one does iirc
sand egret
I think FH recommends the left side > Pull to boss area
sand egret
err wow sorry, I meant Right side
main vault
oblique garnet
and not the patrol on the 2nd boss where eudora will jump into
like
who the fuck
im so hurt
rn
main vault
Just say it
uneven mason
really good, to understand, that they really SHOULD treat everyone else like their 5
main vault
Its hard for a good player to lead plebs
uneven mason
^^
main vault
Cause they have unrealistic expectations
sand egret
it's hard to teach.
oblique garnet
No but the thing is
With that route
If you get bad rng on 2nd boss
you will pull the patrol
sand egret
literally the problem with that is the lack of empathy
oblique garnet
and wipe
uneven mason
I mean I tried to teach one of my girlfriends how to play D&D back in college...
My expectation was 5th grade reading skills
and basic math
main vault
One of
uneven mason
I was disappointed
sand egret
it's just hard to remove knowledge you have to understand the perspective of someone who doesnt have it
final mist
It's easier to teach if you go into it understanding that the person being taught has no frame of reference.
uneven mason
Its true, I only had 1 GF in college because I dropped out freshman year to pursue a life of being a construction worker and drinking 16 hours a dya
Sal says it so politely
final mist
A lot of people aren't good teachers because they lack that understanding about their pupils.
And it doesn't translate to teaching well.
sand egret
Doesn't help that this is a decade + game that not everyone has been grinding for
Sal gets it
๐
great players =/= great teachers
final mist
Not quite, Blade.
uneven mason
My pal is a wizard at C++, writes his own drivers and shit, I asked him to show me how to do some basic shit years ago, and after 2 hours he just bought me the C++ for dummies book
oblique garnet
You can be good player but still be horrible at teaching people
final mist
Great players don't always make great teachers, and on the other side of that coin, great teachers aren't always great players.
sand egret
yeah that's what I meant
final mist
Sometimes they are, oftentimes they aren't.
oblique garnet
Whats the saying those who cant teach?
sand egret
the condition of "Great Player" doesn't mean "Great Teacher"
uneven mason
do?
uneven mason
mmhmm
sand egret
it can and they're are so
some* but it's not universal and totally can go the other way
main vault
Im easily above average, but not bleeding edge or anything. Uldir is first CE Ive missed since MoP so Im not bad
final mist
As an example, in an old guild I was in, there were two warlocks. One of them spent a lot of time doing sims, TCing, etc, all that shit, and he played pretty well. The other Warlock didn't do much of any of that, and regularly played and parses much, much higher. He couldn't explain what he did differently enough to help the other guy, because he just didn't understand.
main vault
But Im definitely a better teacher
sand egret
A Tale of Two Warlocks
final mist
It was the difference between 90th percentile and 99th percentile, but the difference between those is massive.
Some people are just really fuckin' good and can't explain shit about what they do, it happens.
sand egret
Yeah, I had that situation years ago with one of my officers in a guild I was in too
oblique garnet
^ actually me
My friend asked me why his warrior does so much less damage than mine
I couldnt explain
uneven mason
Then you have Archi
who is really good, and can explain to you up to the thousandth decimal why
sand egret
and @final mist , there's always the opposite too. That one guy who's knows everything and can write the book on how-to-prot....but can't pull it off in practice
tropic star
there is a difference between perfecting a rotation on single target and then doing boss fights
uneven mason
hence the saying Blade
final mist
Right, and I said that before.
tropic star
do i hold bladestorm for 10 secs so i can use it on this trash pack coming up etc
uneven mason
yes
final mist
Some people are good players, but can't teach. Some can teach, but can't play. Lucky few can do both.
sand egret
yeah, I was just reiterating that point
tropic star
the answer is 'of course i do, prot top dps what'
tropic star
i swapped all my 390 azerite for the 2 Bom 1 DC 375s to run mythic plusses
did a +9 motherload getting to pull ham and got 19.5k overall dps at end. That trait is nutz
14 waycrest was still 17k
i was pressuring my healer hard though
dire wyvern
Think i had 15.5k at the end of WCM 19
tropic star
yowza
oblique garnet
Are you using CT?
signal plover
I rly need a BoM piece.
tropic star
i was getting messed up on some pulls. cant imagine it 5 higher
sweet flint
question! what do you guys think about going Overwhelming power over Unstable flames/Strenght in numbers ?
oblique garnet
Crackling thunder
mortal trout
How hard is prot warrior to figure out how to play decently?I main fury but wanna try out tanking
tropic star
yes, larger aoe on TC right?
oblique garnet
Yes
You can maximize padding with it so on the pig boss you can do like 20-25k dps
Without pulling adds with boss
tropic star
yeah. grabs all the puddles except back one, and can range out and get the servants coming in
so very nice
but i usually pull adds with boss too
grab the invested packs then pull boss
well, down the infested packs
oblique garnet
I just ccd the 2 infested adds and pulled rest
tropic star
grab whats left
i dont have a standard group i run with
so i am really light on calling for CC unless its really necessary
oblique garnet
I just tell people to focus the boss so i can pad
tropic star
armor has a K values as well as block rating right?
oblique garnet
No clue tbh
main vault
Yes
oblique garnet
I just play the game and dont go that indepth
signal plover
@mortal trout pretty straightforward if you follow the Icy Veins guide
tropic star
@mortal trout most noticeable thing you can do to keeop yourself not squihy is to manage your shield block. Always try and have it up. Follow the guides talents and you can use shield block x3 then last stand with the bolster talent and then shield block again. Make sure to not overwrite them. Maintaining your active mitigation (shield block) while tanking is jsut the biggest thing to making you better overall. everything else is a learning curve but you will be fine while you learn it
and enjoy beating all your dps friends while tanking dungeons
there are 2 weak auras in the pins that i find super duper helpful. 1 will track your shield block buff with an icon. The icon tells you how much time you have left on the current buff
and when you use last stand with the bolster talent it will shoudl you that as well
dire wyvern
you can play for 4x shield block then last stand
but knowing the incoming damage is important
tropic star
the second is the Ignore pain one. it tells you the size of your current ignore pain and the color indicates if you will get full value if you cast again
uneven mason
@tropic star armor and block use the same scale (and the same k value) thus far at least.
errant shuttle
does anyone have logs of ghunn taking spell reflect malignant growth dmg?
this one shows ghunn taking 1.48m
was just wondering what was the highest reflected dmg
wheat bronze
On some of our attempts, I've done 2.83m
Still haven't killed it yet cause people like to die to those mushrooms ๐ฆ
That's from 5 attempts
astral crystal
kek
wheat bronze
That's from a single attempt
I'm the only prot warrior, figure it will be about 3m+ on the kill attempt
sick sentinel
Welp, my pugs fucked up both my +16 and +15 shrine, awesome
Same issue, 2nd boss, they forget to kick or eat shit from cleave
Next week may be hell but hopefully I can +15 shrine since it's fort
And sanguine isn't that big an issue in that dungeon
dusk locust
grievous might be weird on the last boss if dps isn't topped off before that shadow phase
or an add cast gets off
sick sentinel
With a druid it should be fine
Hots before shadow
Sadly boomy is bad for next week because, whoops
Treants in blood
last glen
Just don't spec treants ๐ฎ
sand egret
is it sang/greiv?
sick sentinel
And fort
sick sentinel
Feels great man, what u talking about
dusk locust
i dunno i think these affixes are alright
last glen
Just pressure on the healer to keep everyone topped. rip disc
hushed cobalt
warrior got helm+trink, rogue got helm+trink from ivus
but what aboot which combo to use?
sand egret
i am not a fan of greiv as a mechanic personally
dusk locust
i do like the idea of some kind of healer mechanic generally, but i'm inclined to agree i don't like grievous
(overflowing?) was kinda interesting
sand egret
well its less a healer mechanic than a punish misakes mechanic
sick sentinel
The upside at least is that they changed grievous again during the massive update to adds
dusk locust
that's true
cosmic cargo
overflowing was sikly
sand egret
with the downside being unavoidable damage
cosmic cargo
*silly
last glen
grievious is just giving the healer an extra mini-game when not much is happening, and a panicfest when mechanics are already hard. There's no skill-mitigation of it..
sick sentinel
So we get to try grievous veriosn, 5? 6?
sand egret
overflowing was cool in theory but doesnt work in practice
sick sentinel
The best thing about overflow was, hey resto shamans
Don't fucking playing this week
last glen
overflowing at least was a good idea. It incentivized good play. Efficient healing. Too bad holy paladins would crit one heal and overflow twice your HP pool ><
sand egret
yeah, if all healers had the same profile its cool
imho I think greiv is almost there...
sick sentinel
Overflowing for resto druids was like skittish for prot warriors
dusk locust
i'd love to see something a bit more healer themed affix wise though
might put too much on one player i guess
sand egret
ya, i actually prefer more group-oriented affixes for that reason
dusk locust
that's fair
somber dragon
from what i've seen in 8.0, blizzard really hasn't screwed prot over with too much magic damage heavy fights? so, as someone looking to do heroic and below raiding, and a +10 weekly (with a pocket Hpali), would i ever be a liability in those situations as a prot warr?
sand egret
what is up with this whole prot vs magic thing....
somber dragon
i just don't... feel as sturdy as i did on my dk when it happens to be magics
so i am nervous
sand egret
well youโll have less chances to remedy fuckups
uneven mason
I deal with magic as well as the BDK, better in some cases
sand egret
but in terms of mitigation you should be totally fine
uneven mason
like shit shadowbolting us from 500 feet away
somber dragon
i'm guessing i need to be way more aggressive with spell reflection and demo shout for those situations?
sand egret
and stuns etc
uneven mason
fuckall you can do about that besides hide behind a wall
uneven mason
DS always
spell reflect yes
Spell reflect + DS + IP makes us pretty frigging strong vs tankbuster magic
sand egret
and SW if you really feelin skittish
somber dragon
is LS wasted (in that kinda situation) if i'm going to waste a chunk of the block time?
sand egret
avatar is less of an ability in prot
uneven mason
depends
somber dragon
(due to that cast magic)
uneven mason
LS is a strong heal
uneven mason
in most realisitc tanking situations you won't need LS to reach 100% effective uptime on SB
as long as you have a sound amount of haste.
"need"
main vault
"sound"
uneven mason
๐
signal plover
"you"
somber dragon
ty, switching to warrior as my main since i'm having a fuckall time enjoying most pvp on my dk, but what i'm getting to do on my warrior is funzies (my pocket healer prefers pvp, but we do want to do a bit more pve), it's a much different tanking kit that i'm just going to have to get used to.
sand egret
I think the answer youโre looking for is that Prot wont hold you back. Only you can do that. ๐
signal plover
"Today at 12:53pm"
main vault
:lul:
signal plover
Hue hue hue
somber dragon
the dps kits aren't so mind-blowingly different that i'm having issues there, but prot is a different (SUPER MOBILE!) beast to my bdk
uneven mason
Prot warriors don't hold groups back, people do.
main vault
Its always people
uneven mason
"There are no shit specs, only shit players, (except for feral druids, fuck feral druids)"
signal plover
That and the 1%
stone imp
Prot warrior is entirely viable, and in many cases, preferable in M+. It's in a solid state right now.
uneven mason
"viable"
main vault
Like I just posted last night and Ive had at least a few guild hit me up so far
signal plover
I actually enjoyed our liquid state in 8.0
uneven mason
ayyyyyyy
signal plover
We gonna see some FotMers soon tho
quick lily
where is the best place to find a BoM shoulder/chest
signal plover
Prolly in gamr
somber dragon
I went warrior for pvp ๐ but i like tanking in my spare time ๐
signal plover
^
main vault
ha
quick lily
๐
main vault
azerite in weekly
signal plover
Memes
signal plover
Well azerite can't be in it anymore so...
quick lily
of shit? or azerite lol
uneven mason
"Hey we heard you wanted to be able to buy specific gear since you like bitching about traits, so you'll be able to afford 1 piece that you actually get to pick some time around Christmas 2019
quick lily
is it worth saving resid for the higher end gear or filling in for what i want
main vault
That math isnt wrong
uneven mason
Not even kidding
main vault
If you buy things now you are an idiot
uneven mason
I bought things now
main vault
Idiot
signal plover
Ching
quick lily
lol
uneven mason
because the raid actually has azerite pieces worth a shit
quick lily
why ?
uneven mason
so I just picked up some 385s
quick lily
so worthless to spend it just now?
main vault
Because what you buy now is 385
uneven mason
to fill in my DPS spec
sand egret
if you're raiding
uneven mason
yes and the rate which you get residium is going to increase exponentially
signal plover
Early bosses drop decent pieces too iirc
neon tangle
The prices / gain will triple soon, you might be a week or two ahead if you don't get anything now
uneven mason
like the first 3 bosses
neon tangle
who cares
quick lily
but if i specifically want to get BoM then surely its not a bad idea for now?
uneven mason
You're literally going to cover the 160 it costs you to buy 1 peice now
in a day
so "Math"
since m0 drops 370
sand egret
yeah
main vault
You still spent it on a possibly worthless piece
Buying anything before Sun/Mon end of first BoD lockout is just stupid
sand egret
i bought a 385 myself but I went with the RNG piece since I wanted another 385 piece and it's my only way now
neon tangle
be a DK, then all your pieces are worthless
uneven mason
nah I got a UF chest for fury ๐
but yeah sitting on it
isn't going to make a dent
the fact that the first 3 bosses drop azerite
and they're "functional"
for prot
means I don't give a fuck about this currency
uneven mason
amazingly
main vault
IF/DC
main vault
And a 1h and shield first 3
somber dragon
damn
uneven mason
they felt bad for fucking prot over in Uldir
somber dragon
so first lfr wing will be good too ๐
main vault
what is lfr
steady slate
@main vault you're assuming that RNGesus will actually gift us with this wonderful gear, rather than nothing and azerite for bonus rolls
uneven mason
"Oh you mean the tank that isn't doing so hot because its best gear drops off of some of the harder bosses, why would that matter?"
somber dragon
it's where filthy casuals go to gear up for normals ๐
main vault
Which is my point, if you buy anything before end of the first lockout its a waste
main vault
Since you dont know what youll get
First boss is uber good
Shield
And IF/DC outer, BoM inner
uneven mason
except Nexii that is objectively false, because the value you're attributing to it is inflated since you're pricing in the now, and not in the future.
main vault
Its not though
uneven mason
this is called "futures speculation on residium"
main vault
Yes
And whether you spend 160 now or a month from now, if you drop a piece week one in the slot you just wasted it on now
You literally made it worth 0
uneven mason
I made it worth having another 385 piece to PVP with
main vault
So the only guaranteed value you have now is using it for 2 weeks
uneven mason
which to me is worth more than 0
neon tangle
except unless you wanted a 385 piece for the last few weeks
and until the next raid launches
main vault
But what valuje does that actually have
uneven mason
my equilibrium point for that 385 piece was greater than the time it will take to replace it in the future.
main vault
you can farm a little easier?
steady slate
again, you're suggesting I give up a guaranteed 385, something i know i can have and use and is an upgrade, in the hopes that maybe a boss in a future raid will drop an item of the same level
uneven mason
Also, I felt bad because I was no longer in the top 10 warriors on my server
neon tangle
@main vault For me it put me over 385, which I wanted to hit shrug
neon tangle
@main vault Don't really care, we all have personal goals
steady slate
i work under the assumption, based on years of raiding experience, that RNGesus hates me with an unholy passion and will only give me gear i want after i no longer need it
sand egret
bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush
uneven mason
ALso Nexii - since I Have easy access to the 415 pieces, residum is worth even less to me
Since I am a main tank for a mythic progression team
steady slate
so given that, i'll take the token or currency path
main vault
easy access?
uneven mason
yeah, I'll be killing those bosses
uneven mason
hey
keen spire
guess what
main vault
Eventually
sand egret
43
main vault
43?
keen spire
Yep
uneven mason
Go back to Bear
sand egret
nailed it
uneven mason
BEAR
keen spire
wut
main vault
Fuck Bear
keen spire
I'm no bear
uneven mason
Nexii is bear
main vault
I am Bear
uneven mason
๐ป
keen spire
Lol
uneven mason
Thats why he's filled with https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494653856064733194/531870245053267978/unknown.png
keen spire
lol
keen spire
I remember you
sand egret
imho go with the 2-handed salt
uneven mason
you're certianly trying
uneven mason
OH
sand egret
๐ข ๐ต ๐
signal plover
Had to change the ol avatar
steady slate
speaking of trialing, what's my most efficient way to get a few more decent (i.e. non-mouthbreathing idiot) DPS?
main vault
uh
There is a Discord
And forums still work
I did a forum post, and gonna make posts in Discord channels
tepid dagger
What trait do you guys use for the engineering goggles?
steady slate
i looked at that and it looks like it's a clearinghouse for mythic raiders. i've got forum posts up on realm and in guild recruitment
main vault
Well recruitment in general, is hsit now
uneven mason
just for you
main vault
At least it is bigger
signal plover
Man that paste is 0/10
signal plover
U gotta clean up that one tiny horizontal line bro
signal plover
Don't be a fuckin casual
uneven mason
It looks like real orc artwork
main vault
Imagine being ally really trying to trash talk horde
quiet relic
Why are we not supported on bloodmallet and sims?
main vault
Like the entire fucking world really isnt waiting on you to kill bosses
uneven mason
because there are no sims
this is the matrix
and Prot warriors are the fucking spoon
No ones wrote the api
cause no one cares enough
also, we don't want to be nerfed.
signal plover
We do not stoop to simulation like mere mortals must
uneven mason
SHHHHHHHH
signal plover
We simply party
uneven mason
don't say that too loud Renje
keen spire
No Renje
tepid dagger
just saying
keen spire
go back to the days of prot not being viable
uneven mason
PROT ISN"T VIABLE
keen spire
^
uneven mason
at least Sco is staying with his line
tepid dagger
I mean.... deleting those messages
keen spire
xD
signal plover
I think what u mean to say is we are a 12 on the ScoFotMScale
signal plover
Which is bad?
tepid dagger
YOu all know what I mean though and thats enough
keen spire
You know what doesn't make sense to me though?
tropic star
did anyone have link to a warcraftlog for someone abusing spellreflect on ghuun
tepid dagger
Those blood dk's though... really need a nerf
keen spire
Like... throughout all of beta, everyone was like "putting [x] on the GCD feels clunky and un-fun.. let's not do that" and Blizz was like "Well no, you're wrong, and you should just trust us - we're giving you more choices"
And now they're removing shit from the GCD to make the specs feel less clunky...
signal plover
๐ด
keen spire
Horse indeed, Paw... Horse, indeed.
uneven mason
Renje BDKs did get nerfed
and uh
they're like
really weak comparitively now "tank" wise
still easier to cheese M+ for sure
but tried to tank HC Fetid on my alt BDK
and he felt it
dat EHP nerf
keen spire
I saw some post on reddit that said that the nerf was actually a buff because they'll take more damage with the armor reduction, which allows death strike to heal them back for more
tepid dagger
They more spikey but the one shot mechanics hurt
uneven mason
folks who can't do fractions think that SInister
keen spire
xD
tepid dagger
mythic fetid one shots our bdk now
signal plover
"post on reddit*"
tepid dagger
sub 50
uneven mason
Meanwhile
the prot warriors are like, oh you get 1 shot
let me safeguard you
while I Take whites
keen spire
xD
uneven mason
better now boo?
keen spire
Because prot is the #OneTrueTank
sick sentinel
The age of 2 handers is over... and comes the age of shields
keen spire
I guess Brewmasters are alright too ๐
sick sentinel
and age of thunder
sick sentinel
signal plover
Mac u can't just call em "whites" holy shit
keen spire
๐ฎ
tepid dagger
Damn Mac, you racist
sick sentinel
I need all NA warriors
rough egret
๐
rough egret
no its not
keen spire
@sick sentinel it's a meme - definitely the worst trait in the entire list - don't pick Ravager
somber dragon
there hasn't even been a good niche use for it
sick sentinel
Sad, it makes gameplay more interesting instead of spamming devastate ๐
signal plover
That's def an oversimplification of prots gameplay
shut summit
sick sentinel
Maybe if it had 30 sec CD and did some damage, it would be good
keen spire
Or if it was.. 100% parry.. lol
sick sentinel
but it's simply outshined by anger management
tbh I can see blizz nerfing AM to 20 rage
uneven mason
it'd still beat HR
and continue to ride Ravager like its a 2 cent whore down hill
AM ties the spec together atm
warm plinth
AM has been the same for an entire expansion. There are plenty of other things I imagine they'd look at first if they were worried about our damage output (which is really the only thing even remotely suspect about us)
uneven mason
make 20rage AM baseline, give us something equally dumpster fire to ravager on the 100 tier
and roll making AM 10 rage into Never surrender
CHOICES
uneven mason
reduced CD ~= increased uptime
warm plinth
But HR will never be good as long as we can have SB up when we need it already
uneven mason
actually increased uptime > reduced CD in logical sense
since reduced CD would be a greater rage cost
math
sick sentinel
but not wasted when you don't have SB up
and use shield slam
And Never Surrender...
should just rename it to Surrender
uneven mason
if NS increased all healing not just IP, and scaled from 20 - 80 it'd be competitive for a M+ talent
IMO
100% additional healing at 20% Health
monk level idiotproofing
modern brook
Never surrender needs to be updated to represent the fact that up iant 90% absorb any more
warm plinth
Honestly I'd rather keep our choiceless build than risk having them fuck up the current playstyle.
uneven mason
20% health, 90% Absorb, double the amount
modern brook
Never surrender should just be a damage buff
uneven mason
heyyyyyoooooooo
modern brook
Let's be real
uneven mason
oh they could leave us as is
and we all accept that not having choices, because we have insanely strong talents is a good thing
We don't have "bad" talents (but for ravager)
modern brook
Few tanks actually get a talent tree
uneven mason
we just have some that are WAY too strong to compete with
modern brook
We have mandatory shit though
uneven mason
choice has always been an illusion
sick sentinel
and give indomitable also 10% to block
modern brook
Tanking without am is garbo
uneven mason
Indomitable is good on its own
sick sentinel
Like total block not block chance
uneven mason
it just happens that boster syncs with AM
and thus, is insanely strong
@sick sentinel literally increasing our block wouldn't do anythign to make us stronger, since blockable damage already doesn't hurt us
sick sentinel
Vengeance back to 50% as in 7.0
modern brook
Bolster has been feeling like over kill lately tbh
modern brook
I have so much shield blocks idk what to do with them
warm plinth
Or just make Indom give us reflective plating ๐
uneven mason
it'd compete with Bolster on fights wre block isn't a thing
Ravager increases magic DR and parry by 35%
O
modern brook
Busted
daring marlin
modern brook
I can see dropping bolster rn tbh
If It didn't reduce lsd by a minute
Forgot that part
keen spire
what if we got a talent that made us stand completely motionless and channel a gout of flame out from our shield
wouldn't that be cool
keen spire
xD
modern brook
Devastator is the only talent on your rage generation row that doesnt generate rage
sick sentinel
or more like disability...
modern brook
When it generates rage we can consider it
warm plinth
Nelth's Fury was the shit
warm plinth
^
keen spire
^
warm plinth
How dare you
keen spire
Nah man
sick sentinel
every tank artifact ability was usefull
cinder nova
I loved NF
keen spire
Exploding Keg was the best
sick sentinel
except NL fury
uneven mason
Y bear and die on scyth 6
cinder nova
Using it to manmode mechanics was ๐
sick sentinel
Damn ๐
warm plinth
Exploding Keg was amazing before it got nerfed to shit
uneven mason
when you can NF and block scyth 16
modern brook
??? How are you getting hit by scythe
keen spire
yeah I played a BrM until it got nerfed, then swapped back to prot lol
modern brook
When ur roars are wo gutteral
uneven mason
Also, double foebreakers
modern brook
Unless were talking about argus and not 2nd boss maw
uneven mason
what other scyth would ou talk about
uneven mason
lol
modern brook
I dont raid
keen spire
Definitely Argus
uneven mason
why would anyone get hit by scyth in maw
modern brook
That's for nerds who play wow
uneven mason
literally "sidestepping as a skill"
modern brook
Idk thays why I was confused why u were bringing it up
keen spire
much less 16 of them
uneven mason
maw on tyrannical was where prot warriors shined
modern brook
I thought the number was key level lol
keen spire
xD
plain ice
ohhh do i miss those bracers
uneven mason
The grou pwas like JUST DIE SO WE CAN TRY AND TIMER
keen spire
still kicked ass
uneven mason
and I was like NOT MY KEY SUCK IT BITCHES
sand egret
inb4 lets get bracers as a talent
sand egret
YEP
modern brook
Bracers should be base line
modern brook
Along with am and bounding stride
sand egret
3x HL was my fav leggo bar none
keen spire
If Bounding Stride had an extra charge of leap baked in
oh god I would cream my pants
plain ice
go fury
uneven mason
again
plain ice
spec the pvp talent
modern brook
If that talent row didn't suck shit
plain ice
2 leaps ez
modern brook
I'd be so happy
modern brook
That whole row is a tax for anger management
tepid dagger
Does intercept have a minimum range for allies or can it be used while stacked. I know it used to work but tooltip says 8-25 yards
keen spire
I had the gloves and the crafted boots equipped for like almost all of legion
uneven mason
it can be used while stacked
and should
I give rogues and DHs random intercept love
cause that rage gen
is amazing
modern brook
Fuck dh
uneven mason
if they're in my hotbox
modern brook
Every Dh is a big bitch
uneven mason
they're getting humped
modern brook
Fact
keen spire
the movement speed from Aggrammars stride was fuckin dope with Battle Cry
neon tangle
@modern brook I can agree w/ this
modern brook
The class was designed for ppl who want large meters but dont actually understand what a dps is supposed to be doing
Like prot but we tank so its ok
uneven mason
I used to use aggramar's and bear tartar and do random heroic dungeons
freak people the fuck out
cause I'd be at the 2nd boss while they were looting the first
sand egret
dont give DHs love. their power is directly correlated to their edgy-ness
uneven mason
its angry love
sand egret
its a just nerfing them
keen spire
I wonder why DH are even still around
sand egret
best dh is one who is internally conflicted because the top bar on the charts isnt purple
sand egret
demons STILL exists
modern brook
Their purpose is to pull 40k dps on saurids and still miss kicks on the fear
Big fat fucking idiots
keen spire
o.o
sand egret
as long as the position eye beam for maximum cc breakage
keen spire
Just turn the DPI up to 5000 and move your mouse to the right while eye beam is active
sand egret
because throw glaive and blade dance arent enough
keen spire
that's how you win
modern brook
Hey fun fact
Bolster doesnt block ranged attqcks
It only guarantees blocks on melees
Unless I'm being blizzard by tool tips
keen spire
Wow Bolster isn't viable now
sand egret
did you confirm this live or just go by tooltip?
modern brook
Just by tool tip
keen spire
it won't be fixed until they remove thunder clap from the GCD
sand egret
shield block still says melee
modern brook
Hmm
sand egret
so i doubt that claim off the jump
modern brook
Well the change is to block
Bit the abilities
Not*
So there are 2 possibilities
daring marlin
so easy to verify lol
modern brook
I'm right or I'm wrong :^)
sand egret
i mean the โblockingโ state is what was changed
daring marlin
^
sand egret
and that isnt tied to tooltips
modern brook
I'm pretty sure we still have honor talents that refer to battle xry
Might be fury though idr
sand egret
i aint gonna fall for this tooltip bait this time!
keen spire
๐
modern brook
Honestly as much shit as ppl give them for "dumbing down"tool tios
I dont wanna parse fucking equations to know what my skill does
Its deffo the right move
sand egret
tbh if youโre here on this discord chances are tooltips arent for you. OK now im not taking this bait anymore! ๐
dusty pasture
better than darkmoon deck and lingering sporepods?
sand egret
yar, but depending on ilvl
modern brook
If ur trinket gives str and a 2ndary it's probably competitive with other trinkets tbh
dusty pasture
howler is 370, sporepods is 380 with socket
modern brook
Spore pod is why I hate running with prot loot spec
keen spire
I mean, I have none of the "bis" trinkets for prot and I still parse oranges sooooooo
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
trinkets are not a big deal
lol
daring marlin
almost like
modern brook
Frats on beating the 90 other prot warriors
daring marlin
go for ilvl and youโre good to go
keen spire
^
dusty pasture
cool
daring marlin
๐ค
modern brook
Dang my laptop froze
I'm not surprised I'm currently like 12 layers deep into rdp but
:surprised pikachu:
steel mauve
Sporepod is pretty garbage though, definitely better trinkets
modern brook
Remote desktop protocol
modern brook
I'm remoted into my work computer which is remote onto another computer so that I can access a virtual server
keen spire
rofl
modern brook
:^)
keen spire
TECHNOLOGY
uneven mason
@modern brook yeah, its great isn't it
especially when you accidently log out of the wrong layer
and drop like 3 steps back
F
sand egret
that's actually me. I'm remoting into bullfango who's remoting into his work computer which is remoting into another computer
warm plinth
Just got knot on my ilevel 289 warrior ๐
Went up 7 ilevels from one item
Aaand just got a 370 lion's strength with socket from doom's howl
Went up 6 more from that one ๐
summer kestrel
uneven mason
"earth elemental, best tank on sanguine weeks"
had a wipe in Temple where the elemental shaman was like "WTF were you holding the adds on the dust cloud thank!!"
and I was like - I dunno, next time you summon your earth elemental you can ask him
"He can't taunt in dungeons, Noxxic says so" - I left
warm plinth
I think the important question here is...does Noxxic actually say that?
uneven mason
He has the motivation to be an amazing badass
but totally reads the wrong books
I don't know
I won't go to check
My only response is
warm plinth
I'll do it. puts on hazmat suit and tin foil hat
uneven mason
to leave when someone quotes noxxic at me
not even going to see if he was being a smartass
warm plinth
Well, I read for about 15 seconds and I feel dirty, but honestly I don't think they even go into anything that specific lol
uneven mason
groovy
warm plinth
It does in Enh but not Ele
sick sentinel
Nothing funny about a shaman who doesn't know his spells
sand egret
quit being so noxxic
crystal creek
Ya pretty obnoxxious if you ask me.
main vault
My favorite is people who trash Noxxic then turn around and use AMR
warm plinth
AMR iz bist simm tewl
sick sentinel
sims ? what are those ?
crystal creek
Sim city.
sand egret
was a solid game where you can create simulations of social environments
crystal creek
I had it on my SNes.
errant shuttle
Noob question does avatar only break root or are you also unrootable like bladestorm
Do not play prot and only plan to prot for ghunn
Gonna be little reflect racecars
warped hound
anyone have the clip of the ghuun spell reflect
vocal nimbus
sick sentinel
question
my spell reflect goes away after taking like
1 hit
why does 2 growths work
warm plinth
It's a bug.
warm plinth
Yes
warm plinth
Yep, unique to growths.
sick sentinel
i need to make a good spell reflect WA
I have one that's super ghetto
and doesnt rly work
sand egret
hmm ๐ค never thought about one, but couldn't be the worst idea
now if only it was a WA that would explode in OTHER people's screens as "DONT INTERRUPT" id be in on that
marble cipher
You can make a wa that sends a party message, or say, or yell, "don't interrupt"
outer dew
