and during necrotic weeks
#protection
oblique garnet
During necrotic weeks boomkin is your best stat
teal kelp
lol
sturdy trench
was trying to reacch 100% parry with ravager
jagged dagger
quick question, i have two azurite pieces both with "iron fortress" and a secondary useless "slow your target" type of trait, should i take iron fortress on both of them?
sturdy trench
seems impossible RN sadly
teal kelp
is deafening crash the best m+ trait?
oblique garnet
Damage
jagged dagger
does iron fortress stack? If not should i take blightborne infusion or tidal surge?
sturdy trench
it stacks]
jagged dagger
thanks 😃
stiff tusk
Is there a good youtuber someone can recommend that would give a rundown on prot warrior in 8.1? I'm looking to swap from BDK to prot warrior however I'm having a little bit of a hard time holding aoe aggro and have no idea what traits to look for.
main vault
Sense is the best prot constant streamer
main vault
Also, the guide lists what traits to go for
oblique garnet
Because no way you should lose aggro
main vault
I have 0 issue holding AoE aggreo
My issue is DPS who cant seem to do more AoE dmg than a tank
austere oar
Those damn dps
hoary hazel
dude
avatar thunderclap
is broken
imo
it should get nerfed at its current state
stiff tusk
Yeah I'm pretty much using avatar and thunderclap on cd
austere oar
stiff tusk
Could possibly be an issue of me being very undergeard compared to the people in running with?
main vault
Idk how much undergeared
hoary hazel
he said very
silk moat
<486961880888508428>
hoary hazel
mby if you have a DH jumping in with eye beam and fel barrage
stiff tusk
I just hit 354 and run with a 380 Dh
austere oar
That's normal then
hoary hazel
ye
main vault
I bet if you let him die a few times he will stop
stiff tusk
The biggest issue i have is when I pull a pack and ppl blow cd's so a few mobs get ripped from me and next thing i know I'm trying to taunt a handful of trash mobs.
austere oar
^
stiff tusk
Lol ive been spoiled with the 2 BDK taunts.
main vault
No you were spoiled with gearing while the DPS geared
Now the DPS are geared adn you arent
austere oar
Prot this week is insanely fun
You can facetank easily and always top 2 dps during trash
Only annoying thing with prot is the absolute lack of any sim tool
last loom
what race should i be on ally
signal plover
Dark iron imo
random elbow
Because Shadowmeld I take it?
main vault
Yes
random elbow
But DiDwaffers look lit af 🤔
main vault
In m+ dropping a stack of necro is alot less valuable than doing a big skip
random elbow
Clearly it's a hidden 10% bonus in their beards
cosmic cargo
funny thing, meld can also drop necro
meld then instantly attack again, doesn't reset threat just drops it for a tiny bit
broken moon
rough egret
Lifespeed
keen galleon
Heed My Call
But you'd have to check and see its overall damage contribution
don't have a copy on my warrior but on my DH it consistently did 2-3% of my overall per stack
main vault
I second Heed my Call
73 haste is fuck all
If you wanna go full survival go Lifespeed
That being said I took Lifespeed on my chest
slate stratus
should daefening crash be stacked or just 1 peice ?
vocal nimbus
1
slate stratus
okay thanks !
sly prism
hey guys, just come back to wow and was wondering whether callous or retal fury is better currently?
main vault
keen galleon
it's worth noting that that guide is COMPLETELY focused on defensive value
crystal creek
Hrm, ablative or overwhelming power for 2nd ring.
shut summit
Op for offensive, ablative defense, depends what you want/need
crystal creek
Mostly M+ so was thinking OP, wasn't sure if it'd be worthless since tooltip says you lose a stack every second or once per hit.
shut summit
I would use op for m+
crystal creek
So if i'm pulling trash will I lose all my stacks instantly.
and it has BoM too so I was salivating.
BoMx2 DCx1
sweet pike
Masterful navigation is the go to enchant, right?
crystal creek
I like the haste.
main vault
Quick for sure
drowsy relic
if I stack shield block and last stand do I get extra block?
like i block more physical damage
rough jasper
no
drowsy relic
im watching a 2.4k io warrior he seems to be doing it alot
are u sure there's no benefit?
vocal nimbus
Yes
The only benefit is doing extra damage with shield slam while shield block is active
rough jasper
right
SB and LS just improve the chance to block, not the amount blocked. If you have LS up, SB is a wasted charge unless for the damage gain
main vault
Improve the chance to block?
vocal nimbus
No
main vault
You should reword that
main vault
I know what he meant, he just said it wrong
final mist
That's exactly what SB and LS (w/ Bolster) do.
They improve your block chance by 100%.
royal lodge
I will continue to pull in mythic+ even if the healer is drinking after a boss using the Avatar (w/BoM) / LS (w/bloster) combo. Maybe the person is tanking without the healer being there.
real thunder
Question regarding motherlode in 8.1, are the bosses Rixxa and Mogul Razdunk still 100% magic damage? meaning we get no defensive benefit from using shield block?
old zephyr
Yeah looks very much like so
real thunder
dang, ok thanks.
oblique garnet
anyones else game having random game freezes?
soft mica
so is BoM really good for dpsing? i thought in the guides it says its the worst of the bunch but not bad but then the other day i saw a bunch of ppl in here talking about trying to get it?
sick sentinel
In the context of raiding, its fucking garbo
and being a defense trait as well
But from a dps/M+ PoV, its one of the best, if not the best right next to DC
But there's also a little note to be had with it as well, if you are not well versed(new player) with prot warrior, that trait will fail you
soft mica
is there an explanation of why that is somewhere i could read on or a quick tldr so you arent wasting a ton of time explaining why it might fail me? i basically only M+ on my warrior so im intrigued by it
mellow bridge
Finally got fucking KR done man
Fucked up two runs on third boss because of bugs TWICE
warm plinth
Nice!!
@soft mica I don't know that it's written down anywhere, but basically you're giving your DPS cooldown more umph by making it provide a ton of one of our best DPS stats in the place that it shines (AoE).
sick sentinel
There is no written explanation that I know of about why we gosh over BoM @soft mica , but its the same thing with how you learn what stats/trinkets are useful for certain situations/fights
warm plinth
And since during Avatar, every other global is Thunder Clap (our highest DPS AoE ability), it's a massive boost to damage.
sick sentinel
Guides give a general overview, regardless of the class/spec, they don't spell out EVERYTHING, because they cannot account for every situation.
You have to learn either on ur own, or read/talk to others to see what might be good
soft mica
Ah I see awesome! Thanks guys! I just got a 385 helm with that on it so I remember seeing some people talk about trying to get it the other day so then I got excited haha
sick sentinel
If you have two pieces of BoM, its really strong and the dps will be noticed
But RN, we are waiting for BoD to come out to get triple BoM
Thats when our true potential will come out, in M+ tho
soft mica
This will be my second one!
sick sentinel
Nice
soft mica
Well I’m excited to get into some keys now haha
marble cipher
I'm only running one @soft mica, and I'm already loving it.
spiral thistle
How are people feeling prot atm in M+? I see some of the tank streamers starting to push it through higher keys, did 8.1 improve it a lot?
steel mauve
Bom is amazing dps for mythic plus, its just our worst trait for raids basically
olive lotus
For mythic plus specifically, what is the best race to add to our utility? BE for the aoe dispell and crit, Tauren for stomp and extra Hp, Mag’har for the decreased poison/curse?, HM Tauren with crit damage and bull rush?
barren sapphire
mfw i press sblock with last stand up
https://i.imgur.com/0QqM4Sw.jpg
chilly brook
@olive lotus for m+ the answer is always blood elf
olive lotus
I guess I’ll be more specific, horse only 😃
@chilly brook solely because of the aoe dispell?
warm plinth
We don't have a horse race though 🤔 😏
sick sentinel
Soon on Alliance
warm plinth
Lol, and they'll probably have a horse mount too
fair fractal
how do i get the balls to start tanking dungeons when i'm not overly familiar with them? Prot feels so much fun the little that I have tanked.
warm plinth
Do some heroics where you can ignore the people screaming at you 😃
Nah, just watch some videos, maybe do some easier stuff as DPS to see the routes and stuff, and then dip your toes in the water
fair fractal
Okay, cool. Thanks for the tips!
old zephyr
Get someone with experience to show you
frail acorn
So i'm curious I'm in a gnome mood.. What would be best.. Gnome DK Gnome Warrior or Gnome BM for Tanking ( I strictly want to do Mythic+) dont' really have time to commit to a raid
old zephyr
Warrior al the way, tiny gnome but big Damage
Ut did you really expect something else asking here ?
torpid bronze
I'm really confused about warrior trinkets, so if anyone could help me pick:
Ancient tuskarr sea charm [370]
Rezans gleaming eye [365]
DMD blockades [355]
old zephyr
I have no idea, What the First one is
So I would say don't take it, but Maybe It's okay
Rezan is amazing and blocades is Good
Have a Screen shot ?
torpid bronze
It's basically +strenth and chance on versatility for 7 seconds
I'm on mobile rigjt now, let's see if i can get one.
This is from wowhead where i tried to set it to 370
old zephyr
237 looks like It's garbage unless you can have it up 100%of the time
Then it may compete with blocades
But I highly doubt it
torpid bronze
Yeah sounds reasonable. Thanks for weighing in
What are good trinkets to replace blockades? From m+ preferably. I hate how it weighs down my ilvl (i know i know, ilvl shoulndt matter that much to me)
torpid bronze
Where can you find the uptime/proc chance of trinkets? Or equipment in general
final mist
Wowhead's scaling is wrong, that trinket should be like 400 vers at 370.
final mist
Wowhead has the proc chance for most things, but sometimes their scaling fucks up. I'd probably use the Charm just because it's a higher ilevel.
summer kestrel
old zephyr
You can do the same on non teaming, just pull more packs
old zephyr
The rogue I usually play with has officially accepted he Will not beat the tank on the meter
Not on trash at least
warm plinth
@frail acorn little late but as someone who plays a gnome monk (usually windwalker), gnome brewmaster sounds like it would be awesome but it’s really kinda meh. Having a shield bigger than you is awesome as a warrior (though dwarf is way cooler) but having your staff bigger than you ends up feeling super awkward imo
frail acorn
lol ok
rotund hound
anyone know haste cap? or how much haste to much haste could be?
somber dragon
rotund hound
so if im at 40% haste with into the fray at 5 stacks thats fine? lol
i feel like i have to much
steel mauve
no such thing as too much haste
and the more haste you get the better ItF actually is
rotund hound
ok cool
just wasn't sure if i should change gems and enchants to verse or mastery
i was playing brew throughout all mythic progression and switched to warrior this last week for Ghuun for easy kill lol
bronze lantern
haste probs wont be that good after 100% cause gcd cap will missalign tclaps with gcd 🤷
but thats not really realistic
old zephyr
Haste is more Shield block up time, more dps, more rage for IP and anger management
The more you have the best it is
wide girder
today a lot of through-the-wall pulls happened with me. idk why
zinc mauve
i found tol dagor to be worse about it to be hoenst
mostly because with tol dagor my party tends to avoid a lot of packs, whereas with waycrest we kill almost everything on the path
sick sentinel
Welp, just timed a 17 TD today, with 14 seconds left
Also dropped Blacky for Alchy
Holy shit, free battle pots
And more money
sick sentinel
And once again, I forgot to record lol
Well also, pots unlike the tmog items I had sell for more, faster
zinc mauve
transmog is a slow market in general
inland mesa
What free pots does alchemy get?
sick sentinel
I have enough haste now where I used LS on boss pull by accident and I had enough shield block to get it back off cd with anger management and bl before I need it again to cover gaps in mit
inland mesa
Just the proc?
sick sentinel
Crafting a pot costs around it's price, so procs are free pots essentially
stone crag
level 3 recipes have a chance to trigger multiple off one craft
and flasks last twice as long
floral tinsel
Anyone got a good weakaura for tracking Prot Warrior Ignore Pain absorb shield? I want one that tells me if It is safe to use IP or if some of the absorb will be wasted on the absorbtion cap
stone crag
the one in the pins pretty much does that, if it's red text it'll get capped
as stated by the description
floral tinsel
Thanks!
sick sentinel
I wonder if its worth doing the weekend even for this week
keen galleon
yeah
sick sentinel
Never gotten a chance to use it, so idk
I feel like sometimes capping isn't bad like
If I know I'm about to get SMASHED I'll purposefully cap IP
But I don't know if it actually does anything
warm plinth
Capping it isn't bad. Overcapping it is, because you're essentially wasting rage for no gain.
dapper sky
Saves you like 7-12k damage. I do it occasionally.
sharp fjord
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262804911740289025/523910746808123393/unknown.png
why by odin i dropped a two handed with the loot seted for prot? D:
warm plinth
lol uh... hat sucks
that*
I'd submit a ticket for it. At least prevent it from happening to others.
silk mortar
Did you have another loot spec before you started maybe?
main vault
Is it from an Emissary @sharp fjord
warm plinth
It has a bonus roll up, so I'm guessing it was a M+ chest
Or mythic dungeon boss at least
last mason
What’s more worth, 375 dc or 390 brace
astral crystal
man maximum really wants to meme HR into fetid
main vault
Waiting on those bans
sick sentinel
I just feel bad for r.io
They now have to go through so many ToS when the ban happens to clean up the exploit users
warm plinth
Yeah idk how they're going to know who did it and who didn't
sick sentinel
Probably role back ToS keys before a certain date
warm plinth
Yeah probably; that'll suck for people who did it legit 😦
jade socket
dont think they will punish anyone who did it outside maybe a streamer
most likely just fix it
open bluff
considering how quickly they break toys for m+
sick sentinel
And basically tells everyone, Go be a QA and find all the bugs
open bluff
they'll ban for it
sick sentinel
So you can get the best key times
jade socket
just going off history they have never punished for things in mplus
main vault
That’s true
warm plinth
Yeah I mean if you wanna be technical, they aren't really getting anything super crazy from it that they wouldn't otherwise have gotten from finishing it normally
main vault
So who cares really
open bluff
well i mean... there's not really been an exploit that massive either in m+
sick sentinel
I already got my +16 ToS done so i dont need 15 form it
sick sentinel
I just need shrine/KR
open bluff
right which also fucks up leaderboards because "M+ iS aN eSpOrT"
warm plinth
Yeah I just mean that reward wise, you aren't getting anything crazy for it
open bluff
and that's the bigger issue, if they don't do anything besides just fix it they're taking away from the integrity of the esport they're trying to make m+ into
(but seriously over/under on the bug staying put until the next MDI)
warm plinth
I mean, not really though. It's not like this is the MDI time trials or something. Raider.io isn't something that's considered for admitting into MDI
open bluff
well we're talking about blizzard here
they have no qa staff because activision made them get rid of it so it'll probably take them until then to find the cause 
sick sentinel
I kinda hate that ur more than 10% right
main vault
They have done a lot more themselves that has ruined the esport
ebon geyser
does BE make good Prot warriors?
sick sentinel
Its one of the best Horde races
ebon geyser
lol
sick sentinel
Nah, that goes to HM
main vault
It’s not though
sick sentinel
Because at least we have more going on for it than a purge
That doesn't see many plays in M+
sick sentinel
For prot?
main vault
For any class
main vault
I mean think what you want
sick sentinel
How many dungeons need a purge?
Because I can kill the minions in KR with a leap+TC
ebon geyser
ty i just wanted to know since idk if i gonna quit/reroll or switch to horde
main vault
NE and DiD are good as wel
sick sentinel
Its not worth switching to horde for a racial with such spare use
warm plinth
I tend to agree with Intense. I know that some dungeons need purges but I feel like an aoe purge has pretty limited usefulness with a 3 min CD
shut summit
every dungeon has stuff you can purge
main vault
^
shut summit
saying its spare use is disingenuous
but its not like being belf is completely make or break because its extremely likely someone else in your party can purge or is belf too
warm plinth
It's not like before where having a group of belfs (or even one) was super useful because it was a shorter CD and there were a lot of situations where it was useful to interrupt multiple mobs at the same time
main vault
No I don’t think it’s like before
sick sentinel
The purge is useful, when it can be, but I tend to find little use for a purge that isn't on a shield/DR
shut summit
right, you dont need a group of 5 belfs, but having 1-2 per group is definitely worthwhile
shut summit
and being a belf yourself is a way to guarantee its in the group
sick sentinel
Eh, I prefer playing a race with something more than just 1 thing
HM offers me more than a purge will
main vault
Does it matter how many it has if none of them are as good?
sick sentinel
Depends on who u ask
I can make use of Bullrush as an escape, a Gap closer, a quick stun
main vault
Tauren is pretty far down
spice crescent
so i have 1 Archive 1 Deafening whats the next best on for M+?
main vault
It DR others classes iirc
spice crescent
was thinking fortress
main vault
And the hp is almost none
sick sentinel
Whatever u can get @spice crescent
warm plinth
Yeah war stomp shares DR with other shit
Still nice depending on comp but not amazing
olive lotus
How good is Mag’har orc with the 10% decrease duration of curses and poison with warrior not mitigating magic damage well
sick sentinel
I tried it, didn't notice too much
main vault
They are only good if you wanna look like Garrosh
warm plinth
I mean, nothing in dungeons is super long where you'd really notice it. And that's assuming it doesn't just get cleansed.
olive lotus
Good point. Even a 10 second effect would only take off 1 second
main vault
Yeah it’s like 1 tick
sick sentinel
^
oblique garnet
Bull rush also drs
olive lotus
For HMT does the damage reduction not scale with item level? Only character level?
sick sentinel
Character
warm plinth
It's only character level
Yeah, as Late said, pretty sure Bull Rush triggers DRs too
olive lotus
So the further we get in expansion the less effective it becomes...
warm plinth
It's also DR on stun iirc, not knockbacks or other displacements
oblique garnet
Yeah it shares dr with stuns
olive lotus
Should I do DC and 2 BOM for mythic plus or DC, BoM, and IF
sick sentinel
Only this discord would try and argue that belf doesn't objectively have the best racial in the game
Bull rush is garbage compare to torrent rofl
The day I need a purge, is the day ill re roll to belf
warm plinth
It's not the best racial in the game. It is the best racial on horde
sick sentinel
Of course you don't need it
But it's unequivocally the best horde racial
Eh
Not gonna say its bad, because it isn't
prot spec ghuun
pray for shield or helm
but if i get the helm they might make me trade it
and i will cry
warm plinth
I'll pray for the shield then
sick sentinel
ok no
every plate wearer in the group has 390 helm
And why would they make u trade for the helm?
but
because rc loot council
?
idk
I had to trade 385 khor and 385 socket wrists yesterday
warm plinth
Do like that guy the other day and just equip it 😂
sick sentinel
so I'm not getting anything today most likely
Does it have anything good for prot?
yes
BoM helm
haste/mast shield
Do u have BR?
wat
Bonus roll
no
use on taloc and mythrax
Mythrax i get
Taloc I dont
i'm a fury warrior
GET OUT OF HERE HEATHEN
fuck off cunt
warm plinth
Fury wut
sick sentinel
We don't accept ur dps folks in here
you aren't funny
and you aren't creative
Yes I am
I play both specs
I main fury in raid
U just dont find it funny
I prot in M+
@main vault are you in all the tank channels?
but yeah, sounds more like a u problem that u dont find me funny
k
main vault
Yes
Well not monk anymore I don’t think
I got shitfaced one night and quit wow and slot of channels
sick sentinel
Well now I know where to go to get away from you. 😂
main vault
Bye
sick sentinel
I play brm
I like it more than prot but I don't have the gear
It's called a joke old man chill
warm plinth
People are testy in here tonight lol
main vault
I just said bye?
main vault
I am old though
sick sentinel
No matter how much he disowns me.
main vault
Compared to a lot of you
sick sentinel
How do you know our ages?
main vault
Experience
sick sentinel
rofl
main vault
I was out of high school then I started WoW, when it released
sick sentinel
My guess is you couldn't get half of our ages right within 3 years.
astral crystal
what are you then, 33-35?
main vault
Almost 33
astral crystal
ez
main vault
I think I’m the oldest colored name in Dreamgrove
astral crystal
we call them african-american names these days, old timer
sick sentinel
Wait
Did you call yourself old at 33?
Pretty sure the average age of a wow player is 28-35.
main vault
It’s not
Most of the people above 30 have moved on, and the age has stayed stagnant at mid to late 20s
spice crescent
1100 haste good enough? is there a number i should aim for?
main vault
2-3 years isn’t a small number
sick sentinel
All of it.
sick sentinel
1100 haste isn't good enough
Keep going
Anyone on EU who want to tank a +5 WM real quick? Helping friend out.
spice crescent
9% vers to 1%
sick sentinel
Did your vers go negative?
spice crescent
mkay, ill do the 1300 haste set
main vault
Secondaries don’t matter as much as the thought you are putting into them
sick sentinel
^
spice crescent
it did in legion, kinda
sick sentinel
This isn't legion
spice crescent
was the last time i played prot
main vault
Not really
Secondaries were better
But stats won’t be the reason you fail something
spice crescent
doing 10's with no trouble just testing it out, doing like 13k overall lol
sick sentinel
If you're doing 10s literally no secondary matters.
spice crescent
i dont know how to tank, mostly dps and was trying to get a feel for prot, felt good for sure
my gear is probably carrying me
main vault
Tbf that’s true for a lot of “tanks”
warm plinth
Grats
silk moat
Grats
sick sentinel
\:D/
sick sentinel
Yeah @open bluff is a prime example of a tank that gets carried by his gear 😛
main vault
Lulz
main vault
Don’t sound so bitter
red dock
How does Prot stand up to DH or Brew in terms of M+ effectiveness? Ive gathered they give more damage and good physical damage survival and lack in utility and magic survival?
sick sentinel
Pretty much
red dock
ALright then maybe the most important. How fun is it? I main DPS and want to tank but my DH and Brew just dont grab me. Figured the highest DPS tank might make a better transition
Id only do M+ with it
sick sentinel
With a lot of GCD changes, prot is more fluid and a little more rapid fire, not as crazy fast as legion prot, but pretty close
If u want something that is just non stop button mashing, prob DH
red dock
I dont mind the button mashing so long as it feels fluid as you said
sick sentinel
Warrior is fluid and rapid but compared to all the other tanks, require a bit more work and effort put in
and also, ur a warrior, damage is cute but with community perception the way it is, people are going to pit u against all other tanks
U dont bring anything but damage, which while nice doesn't mean shit all if u cant beat a dungeon fast enough
main vault
People are just now realizing DH isn’t as good as everyone thought
red dock
I enjoyed it for a bit but something about it just didnt feel fun after awhile. Sigils are amazing though
fringe basin
DH is boring, its only redeeming quality is movement. In legion it felt liek it stole a lot from prot warrior with its sigils being place able thunderclaps and etc. I wont lie, i mained a dh tank for most of legion and STILL went back to prot warrior because it felt like that is what i was playing all along.
fringe basin
if they would have rolled DH into prot warrior, gave them more lockdown abilities and mass taunt coupled with a self heal based on defiance buff from having X number of enemies attacking you it would have been gold
but hey what about that ignore pain?😫
sick sentinel
i get carried hardcore
chested a 12 without knowing the dungeon
just cus gear is op
385 goon shield is too gud
it's not just damage though, you bring shout, AP, 15 second, smooth low damage taken etc etc
and ridiculous damage
I don't get why people undersell prot
It was in a really good spot prior to the IP change, and now it plays even better
fringe basin
prot still needs a self heal and a better taunt
sick sentinel
i want monk taunt
Why does prot need a heal
i reaaaally want monk taunt
because we don't stagger dmg like monk does lol
It takes significantly less damage than any other tank
fringe basin
and cannot heal it back
fringe basin
all other tanks can activly heal themselves instead of being a lead weight around the healer's neck
main vault
Except they take more
So they aren’t a lead weight
How about mana sponge Bear
Or Monk
sick sentinel
You realise they take significantly more healing than prot right
Prot is so low maintenance
It's ridic
main vault
Prot should not and cannot get a self heal
fringe basin
blood dk and dh say otherwise when self healing is significantly greater than outside healing
main vault
Lulz
main vault
DH self healing
sick sentinel
i gotta be prot
main vault
Yeah ok
sick sentinel
Do you actually play DK @fringe basin thats a really misinformed thing to say
fringe basin
i feel like failure to admit there is a problem is why prot gets the backseat every expansion
sick sentinel
You don't really have a concept of how blood functions lol
blood dk used to be like that
main vault
Prot should just take less dmg than every other tank and still be able to set heal
sick sentinel
they got gutted in prepatch
main vault
Since that’s logical
fringe basin
i honestly havnt played blood dk this expansion, did they gut it or something?
main vault
The top dmg, lowest dmg taken, and a heal, cause why not
sick sentinel
ya
fringe basin
prot had enraged regen once, dont forget about that
sick sentinel
i'd love stagger too
fringe basin
it worked just fine
lets also not forget that revenge had a 4 sec stun attached to it once
that worked too
until pallies cried about it
fringe basin
i miss wotlk prot pvp :/
they should being back heroic throw with a silence attached to it again, you guys remember that?
sick sentinel
just pummel
fringe basin
but it was ranged.
fringe basin
prot warrior takes a profound amount of magic dmg now and isnt really equipped to mitigate that where once it had a toolset specifically tuned to it an d it made sense for it to be so
fringe basin
you once had spell reflect AND a ranged silence at the same damn time
main vault
You also have shield wall
sick sentinel
which is shitty tbh
main vault
And Demo Shout
main vault
And IP
fringe basin
pummel isnt a ranged silence, and shield wall, shield block and etc hell even spell reflect will not keep you from taking spell dmg
spell reflect doesnt even reflect all spell types
sick sentinel
sounds like you should play a dfiferent spec
theres no shame in not liking prot
I don't like prot
but I don't think we should take everything other classes have and give it to prot
fringe basin
nah i love prot, but im not gonna be delusional about it and not say there is a problem
sick sentinel
the problem is not that we don't have a ranged silence
main vault
You sound pretty delusional tbf
fringe basin
thats perspective i suppose
sick sentinel
prot is the best phsy damage tank in the game
it's the highest dps tank in the game
it can't have everything lol
prots weakenss atm is magic damage
sick sentinel
the amount of healer resource they need + they have less tools than prot to deal with magic damage lol
monks are good though
100%
astral crystal
Remember when prot was considered the best magic tank OMEGALUL
sick sentinel
absolutely brainless rotation and it's super hard to die on one if your heals are good
its a really beginner friendly tank
main vault
Yeah I can’t do monk anymore
It’s a shell of what it was
Used to be highest skillcap by a long shot
main vault
It was the best cause there were no other real tanks
red dock
Well I think yall have convinced me, prot it is
sweet pike
Almost there
sweet pike
main vault
Haha
open bluff
so wait @sick sentinel
main vault
Why can’t you play it?
main vault
That’s the one I’d recommend
red dock
K ty
sick sentinel
@open bluff yes
monk is like 5 buttons total
low apm
passive mitigation
monk is fun because i suck
main vault
Made sense to me
fringe basin
undead or orc monk
sick sentinel
blood elf
fringe basin
monk? i meant WARRIOR
sick sentinel
blood elf
fringe basin
no belfs
sick sentinel
i dont care for either
fringe basin
you play eldar :/
main vault
Orcs if those two are your only choice
sick sentinel
what is eldar
warm plinth
Yeah I'd make an orc warrior over undead for sure.
fringe basin
other than the racial, why?
sick sentinel
when u remove belf silence and make it a purge and then u make all of the mobs in dungeons have purgeable effects
open bluff
playing undead
fringe basin
do you know how situational a purge is compared to the orc racial or the undead one?
main vault
A lot less
open bluff
yeah, useful in 10/10 dungeons
main vault
Since every dungeon has purgeable effects
fringe basin
my warrior is a belf XD
sick sentinel
All of that for you to say you're make a belf
If we could make mag'har the day bfa lunched I would have a mag'har warr
But now I am stuck with a regular ass orc
Having relentless baseline is not bad though not gonna lie
main vault
I’d only go Maghar for looks
main vault
Eh tbh outside of BE, NE, or DiD it really isn’t that impactful
So whatever looks cooler
sick sentinel
Orc has better things going on for it than maghar
main vault
I do like a dps cd
sick sentinel
Shorter stun durations when applied to you, racial gives u more dps
Maghar gives 10% more mount speed when outdoors, 10% reduced duration on certain dots when applied to you, and a rng racial
sick sentinel
I would go mag'har PURELY for looks
silk moat
Temple of Seth tali’s go down the right or left
sick sentinel
I go left
Double pull the first 2 packs
Solo pull the next
And then pull the stairs pack with the 3 stealth boys
You can see the double stealth patrol with the 2 little white krolusk babies patrolling the first boss room
I go right, less trash more %
also less headache
hot locust
I go whichever side has less infests :^)
sick sentinel
I shroud after first bridge
And I shroud after second boss and after eyes
So when we get the haste buff we can pull the nearest pack to the last boss and kill it along with the "clearup" phase of the last boss
Timed +17 with 4 mins to spare and with a boomkin whose dps was not the greatest
patent plume
Does anyone know if you can spell reflect or leap way from indigestion in underrot?
cold lava
you can leap away. you can't reflect it but use spell reflect anyway for the -20% magic dmg if leap is on cd
sick sentinel
I saw sense do a UR and he was leaping away and it works wonders
really reduces the pressure on the healer
sweet kettle
Yeah did a UR 16 myself you need to be fast with it though so it doesn't clip you
thorn torrent
which trait is better to take here?
sweet kettle
Depends
In raid if you don't have array you take archive
In dungeon the revenge one is pretty decent
crimson sentinel
Take archive
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel have you heard of the new temple cheese?
hot locust
@oblique garnet that shit gonna get fixed so quick
messed around with it on a 19 but we didnt finish because we didnt wanna get in trouble (FeelsBadMan my top is still a 17)
oblique garnet
I hope it does get fixed fast
But i feel like its gonna be like the freehold one
So wont be fixed until next patch
warm plinth
I feel like the premise for a fix is simple, whether or not implementation is. Just make it so you can't drop a keystone if a boss in that dungeon has been killed.
sick sentinel
they didn't wanna do it
and they said that it is fine and we can time a +18, since we timed the +17
we wiped on the first static shock
3 times
thing is, we timed the +17 with a mw monk and the +18 was with a holy pala and he run out of mana during third boss and people started dying with the boss at 300k hp
waxen cradle
what new cheese strat do you mean for Temple
tulip pond
So can I soak multiple Growths with a single SR or does SR go away after being damaged by the first growth?
sick sentinel
you it in m0 save for last boss and doors are open, so you deathskip to last boss and clear from inside out
@tulip pond we have talked about this a lot lately, you can skystep with spell reflect and run though as many peperonis as possible and blast ghuun
it is even mentioned in the pins
tulip pond
Nice, now I just gotta the beat the harder boss aka have my GM let me bring my warrior instead of monk
sick sentinel
show him the clip
or a log
I think the GM of limit did 4M damage with this alone
tulip pond
Yea that was mentioned in the thread
oblique garnet
Its gonna get fixed soon
waxen cradle
@sick sentinel So you start a Temple key with bosses already killed in the instance except for last one and it allows that to carry over with doors still open in M+ ?
oblique garnet
Yeah
So you basically go and kill last boss after that
And then the last boss gives you a buff and all the other bosses turn into a jokes
waxen cradle
Yeah I see that getting fixed soon also, are they aware of it and/or threatening bans for using the bug ?
I mean sure its a known bug by players but everyone knows how they feel about bugs and using them for cheesing content
oblique garnet
Thats the thig
Thing
Its so big of an exploit
I wouldnt want to risk it
Because even if the stremer doing it doesnt get banned you might
sick sentinel
exactly, we are a bunch of 1.6k players
suddenly timing a +18 is a little bit... you know
orchid sky
Guys 2 questions :) what's Is better tank now for m+ - blood dk still or warrior is finally playable?
And 2 second thing - could somebody explain me when to use ignore pain ?
hollow thorn
Prot is really good, but BDK is still better overall
Prot warriors weakness is magic dmg, so it isnt as good for dungeons with magic dmg
sick sentinel
you use ignore pain when you have already casted Shieldblock and you are not going to need to cast it again before you have enough rage for it
and you cast IP when you want to dump rage for anger management
orchid sky
Yeah but ppl still talk that prot is trash and yet there is a warr tank who played all mythic doungeons +20
sick sentinel
prot warr is the second best m+ tank IMO
orchid sky
Thing is that I wanna have a playable alt and it's hard choice between bdk and warr
hollow thorn
Ppl that say prot war is trash are trash in the head
hollow thorn
DKs are still fine in raid
there is usually a fight where BDK is really good
or required cus of massgrip
orchid sky
Yeah but warr has mass stun
- i like dps specs
It's so warrior. ... se an enemy and just charge and pew pew
sick sentinel
small tendon
Reflect is the mvp here
small tendon
So nice to see
sick sentinel
we have the ranged interrupt the adds first cast and then I taunt it and spell reflect the next\
small tendon
feelsgoodman
small tendon
I've seen reflect works on last boss, AA are considered as magic on it ?
sick sentinel
not sure tbh\
marble cipher
@sick sentinel I usually do reflect on main boss, should I be doing it on the add in stead? (UR)
marble cipher
Why should I prio to reflect the add, add bolts do less damage than boss though, don't they? Or is it just to get the add down faster?
sick sentinel
because you kill the adds faster
oblique garnet
The add shouldnt get casts off on UR anyways
austere oar
you can leap off the indigestion cast also during 2nd boss
vocal nimbus
or intercept a ranged
silk mortar
Or stand like a true warrior and take it and shrug it off like it was nothing
vocal nimbus
or avoid unnecessary dmg
silk mortar
You make a good point, but i remain.. Unconvinced
oblique garnet
its 80% of your hp on 17 so avoid it xD
sick sentinel
280k damage on a reflect, 250k when I took it in the face with nothing up :C
( have 252k hp unbuffed btw, so you know, it hurt)
primal crypt
Indigestion is horrible
jovial crane
Reflect is nuts on Underrot yeah, sooo much damage, it hurts when people kick it and you have reflect up 😦
primal crypt
jovial crane
Side note, timed a +15 underrot with 5 tanks tonight, was super fun actually
marble cipher
5 prot warriors?
marble cipher
marble cipher
Just saw it on reddit indeed
hollow thorn
lmao
sick sentinel
Nice lol
jovial crane
Was really fun tbh, do recommend
marble cipher
Too many reasons for blizz to nerf prot warrior dps 😞
cosmic cargo
the second boss UR thing you don't need leap or intercept
if you react fast enough you can just walk away
done it a few times in the past
jovial crane
Or just have 4 other tanks to tank it for you 😉
sick sentinel
why risk it though, just nope the fuck out of it
plush surge
yo im new to protection warrior, what shiet is most important and is actually reflectable in m+?
sick sentinel
primal crypt
NO PROB
plush surge
is the darkmoon still legit?
sick sentinel
for survivability yeah
real thunder
Hello peeps, newb prot warrior question. I see some streamers using revenge in M+ ALOT more than devistate. Looking at the iceyveins guide, it says to use it only on free proc, i've also been using it when i have enough rage to be able to use shield block when it comes of CD. However looks like top end tanks use it alot more frequently. At what rage do you guys use revenge?
astral crystal
it depends on the situation, st you'll probably want to use devastate over revenge when it's not free
silk mortar
Aslong as youre not taking pretty much any damage its fine
Its pretty much the same only that its a cone
rough jasper
itemlevel helps a lot there. If the mobs you are tanking dont hit you for a ton of damage, just dump every rage into revenge
sick sentinel
if you are going to cap rage and your IP is capped, then you use revenge
and also, I haven't done a lot above +16s but in many packs I do not take that much damage, so I can justify using revenge
real thunder
k, thx
old zephyr
People that stream also tend to si bigger puls so they get more free revenge
round vortex
@real thunder They also jsut want to do more damage. They aren't making a decision about what's best for their survival. It's all about killing in M+ and they just rely on the natural survivability of the class and the healer to keep them alive.
I'd say if you were out of CD's and the healer had none either you'd switch to fully defensive play. But i am confident its purely to do more damage on the bigger pulls.
real thunder
gotcha', guess things change alot when you move out of the pug life and into the consistent group life
main vault
Pug life worst life
cold owl
Went from pug life demoralized to a guild and I don't even think much about key runs. The stress level is night and day. I know who the boogers are and I'll adjust accordingly.
plush surge
is this any good for prot ?
main vault
would depend what your other choices are
plush surge
alright
old zephyr
For raid rezan is probably better than jes
sand egret
jes.....shakes fist
old zephyr
I would go jes/rezan gladiator/rezan for ease of use
Jes mostly has uses for avatar Pig pulls in m+
sand egret
oink
old zephyr
Whereas 385 and rezan would be constant extra damage/réduction
last glen
That dread gladiator is amazing 😮 wtf
old zephyr
Depends on the procrate
sand egret
Blockades is pure defensive, while the others provide other a mix. unless you’re feeling squish, id drop the blockades imho
old zephyr
But it is definitely good
plush surge
its procs damn good, its my fury/arms pvp trinket omegalul
sand egret
at those ilvls it can hang but you’re also prob not hurting for it
plush surge
10% vers is good enough? (im tottaly new to prot btw)
sand egret
in general our stat weights are even enough that it isnt much of a question. we’re not a spec that is like “have at least X haste” etc if that makes sense
so “enough” doesnt apply too well 😃
sand egret
like some stats!
plush surge
xd
sand egret
it's fine, but like it's kinda not helpful without any context
im assuming your haste is without ITF stacks? that's the only stat I prefer over others since it is a QoL thing in addition to it's dps/defensive gains
but I also don't go reorganizing my gear to get more of 😃
there's a lot of info in the pins as well for these kind of things
plush surge
ITF=? kek
frail acorn
That one^
main vault
Not sure if memeing
steel mauve
Yes
sick sentinel
u can get 15% more haste
steel mauve
And the more haste you get from gear yhe better itf becomes, which means it only gains value, never loses it
My itf adds nearly 17% haste
steel mauve
Its not additive
sick sentinel
Tooltip's jank
plush surge
seems legit, seems legit
steel mauve
Which pretty much meand the more haste you get from gear the more haste itf gives you, which makes it really good, and only gets better
sick sentinel
The talent build is pretty standard, you only really have a choice in the movement tier and the cc tier
last glen
Tooltips in WoW 😂
sick sentinel
"Movement tier" I mean the tier safeguard is in
stone cloud
@plush surge you cant be that new cause those are pretty high ilvl stats
plush surge
well, i said new to prot xD
stone cloud
o
steel mauve
Only take a couple weeks to hit 360+
vocal nimbus
not even weeks
stone cloud
into the fray ❤
olive kettle
i'm switching to prot tonight for mythic ghuun progress purely for the spell reflect in p3. Anyone got any tips to maximise the effectiveness of it?
sick sentinel
Lightfoot/Skystep potion
olive kettle
okay ty
daring marlin
sick sentinel
Playing alliance lul
cold owl
I'd go alliance for that sweet sweet stone form. But maghar has something similar so I guess not.
robust bronze
Do anyone know why Spell reflect damage dose not show up on the damage meter? just curius
sick sentinel
something something you not casting the reflected spell
rotund hound
@robust bronze it’s not a spell you should be able to reflect it shows up on guuun under dmg taken by that ability I did 2mil to him on a pull and 1.6 in our kill in spell reflect alone hahaha
But people didn’t understand cause it doesn’t show up in the damage done by you only to boss by the ability
@olive kettle pot or not if you can last 3 growth cycles you’ll do more then 1.6mil dmg
If you need help looking through logs to understand the dmg I can show you as well.
robust bronze
Not talking about G'hunn tho since my guild bearly do mythic
just spell reflect as a whole
rotund hound
It works on heroic as well tho.
But as far as spell reflect it doesn’t show case the spell is doing the dmg not the reflect
robust bronze
i think blizz should change that 😛
rotund hound
So if you log a mythic plus or a boss fight and go to boss dmg taken and filter the ability you can see the dmg you did.
Doubt they will or care
And I prefer not cause we wouldn’t have this beautiful G’huun spell reflect. Lol
robust bronze
hehe, there is a boss in island expedition that you can one shot with spell reflect and do like 2M damage in 1 hit
its fun
rotund hound
Haha nice
I’ve been main monk for awhile now but I’ve had my warrior on the back burner so I’ve been tanking mythic on him and it’s so easy and pumps so much dmg with such little gear
robust bronze
i dont tank in raids, since i main fury dps, but for m+ my guild want me to tank all the time, no clue why
sick sentinel
robust bronze
i tought that was dks
rotund hound
Nah dk poop
Warrior does double the dmg of dk
More physical reduction
Decent magic with spell reflect
But biggest thing tons of dps
open bluff
until unstoppable force gets fucked