protection

[cosmic cargo]

but for general use i'd say pick something else over it if you can

[sick sentinel]

the leech could be reverted to the old value

when they nerfed the leech and buffed the absorb

[cosmic cargo]

but like for example dh has 3 good traits they want 1 of if possible, rest are meh

pala has 2 good ones

dk lol spec traits what's that

monk has some decent ones but they're just not as impactful as warr's

bear idk but who cares about bear

[crisp pecan]

is bear somehow playable in 8.1?

[sick sentinel]

That's why I don't understand when people say that Azerite traits are not impactful to the gameplay... Guess it's a warr thing

[cosmic cargo]

they only got a utility and dps buff

[merry cave]

The issue is blizzard don't understand the shit they'll unleash with double traits (some dps combos are fucked) and there's going to be huge sweeping mega nerfs in panick before mythic hits

[cosmic cargo]

try playing blood dk

and you will see

[merry cave]

Calling it now

[cosmic cargo]

the only impactful traits

are shit

so you don't pick them anyway

[sick sentinel]

Bears are fine for raids but shit for m+

[cosmic cargo]

even in raid

[sick sentinel]

dispell kicking you out of bear form is retarded

[cosmic cargo]

bear feels like a shittier pala

[sick sentinel]

they got the EHP

and roar at least

[dire wyvern]

DK traits overall are shit

[cosmic cargo]

FR is just

sad to press

[sick sentinel]

tbh for next raid it's monk > warr = bear = pala > DK > DH

[dire wyvern]

UH has 1 good one for ST but UH is awful overall, frost has bad traits for ST and blood traits are a joke

[cosmic cargo]

bear definately behind

[sick sentinel]

DHs are just sad

[cosmic cargo]

and i'd say warr ahead of pala by a decent margin too

[sick sentinel]

the definition of a paper tank without spikes up

[cosmic cargo]

DHs are not that bad tbh

their new trait is huge

[sick sentinel]

I leveled up mine but not really planning playing veng

[dire wyvern]

yeh DH has nothing going for them atm, every other tank can fill their niche except the high personal movement

[cosmic cargo]

but they got an accidental nerf for m+ which was sad

(last resort not resetting on death)

[sick sentinel]

Veng was fun in Legion but they fucked up the rotation

[cosmic cargo]

but honestly they're not as bad as people think they are in raid defensively

fiery brand which is utter shit in m+

[dire wyvern]

i mean the balance is pretty good atm

[cosmic cargo]

is a really strong CD in raid

1 min CD 40% dr

is not bad at all

[dire wyvern]

ppl talk about good and bad but its a 5% range or close to

[sick sentinel]

yea but it's scary looking at their armor without spikes

[cosmic cargo]

i'd say the gap between warr+monk and bear is big tbh

[dire wyvern]

i laugh at the more than 2x difference in armour between my warr and my dk

[sick sentinel]

my co tank is a bear D:

[cosmic cargo]

bear was comparable to warr back at the start of 8.0

look how many buffs warr got

and look how many defensive buffs bear got

that's right

0

[sick sentinel]

at least I'm not ripping aggro off our bear tank just by existing

I've been ripping aggro since Nighthold /sad

[cosmic cargo]

anyway i'd rank it something like monk > warr > pala for raid

not 100% sure how i'd rank the last 3 between them

but def behind these

depends on boss i guess

if you get a fetid for example

[sick sentinel]

Very good warrior is allways gonna be #2 tbh

[cosmic cargo]

dh can actually handle it well and dk get crushed

[sick sentinel]

since monks are retard proof even if you afk

[vocal nimbus]

Monk will continue to be at the top for dazaralor

[cosmic cargo]

warr might push first in some situations tbh

monk got slight nerfs

[vocal nimbus]

Still the best

[sick sentinel]

warr is broken when there is some blockable tank buster

[cosmic cargo]

not huge but it'll be noticeable on something where healers might struggle mana wise

[marble cipher]

Monk nerfs mean nothing tbf

[sick sentinel]

like Felclaws of Argus scythe

[cosmic cargo]

everything is blockable in atal basically

that's why warr is so good there

why did i say atal

i meant

the raid

[sick sentinel]

and the fact you can bet 3x bfi

[cosmic cargo]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

basically 2nd shield

that's gonna be like 50% normal blocks and crit block cap

[cosmic cargo]

take 5 block amount traits

(don't forget k value is going up though)

[sick sentinel]

I can get DC + 3x bfi + IF + bloodsport from raid

well I have 35% on G'huun now

base

and 51% from armor

I guess that will be roughly the same in BoD

with comparable gear ofc

[cosmic cargo]

should be comparable yes

[dire wyvern]

Jaina's main ability from what i understand is a frostbolt which is a ranged physical as stated in the dungeon journal

so warriors are gonna be extremely good for that boss

[sick sentinel]

lulz

[marble cipher]

So will monks

But, warriors might edge out with all the block

[sick sentinel]

well monks still take damage from stagger

[dire wyvern]

yes but if you can survive well as warrior you will take them for the extra dps over monk

[sick sentinel]

so more healer friendly on warr

[cosmic cargo]

it's a ranged phys ability aka monk can't use mastery

which is a big deal

[sick sentinel]

yea that too

[marble cipher]

probably not dodgeable yes, would be op if it was

[cosmic cargo]

yes a lot more healer friendly on warr

[dire wyvern]

might just see 2x warrior on jaina and abusing safeguard to split damage

max was talking about how good safe guard was for BoD

[sick sentinel]

just pray we don't get Emerald Nightmared :<

[cosmic cargo]

i completely forget safeguard exists tbh

but that shit's good

[sick sentinel]

I used it of fetid

[dire wyvern]

yeh you dont need the other 2 talents in raid

[cosmic cargo]

specially since you don't have to trade in leech for it anymore

[sick sentinel]

since I was taking the thrashes

honestly, we have a lot of interesting talents but Anger Management just locks us into one setup

[cosmic cargo]

but tbh I totally see a damage nerf coming for warrs

might not right away though

*maybe

[drowsy relic]

yeah no doubt theyre getting nerfs next raid tier

[dire wyvern]

yeh i can see a damage decrease happening

[drowsy relic]

with 5 BoM, we're 100% getting nerfed

[dire wyvern]

cant get 5 BoM?

max 3

[drowsy relic]

xd

[sick sentinel]

don't thing there will be 3rd spec ring next raid tho

[dire wyvern]

yeh

even now going to 2 rings just makes old gear redundant

which isnt a good thing

[idle kindle]

is filthy transfusion good in m+?

[cosmic cargo]

good damage

[idle kindle]

and heals?

it seems good

[cosmic cargo]

id look at the heal more as a nice to have byproduct

than the main thing

[idle kindle]

sweet ty'

[hollow thorn]

Its limited to only ST tho

A stat buff like Swirling sands would be better if u have it available

[cosmic cargo]

its still a decent amount of damage on aoe situations despite not scaling with targets

[idle kindle]

went with bastion instead

even though its a 375 not 390

also is laser matrix bad for prot?

[hollow thorn]

Dont drop ilvl for anything but DC

[dire wyvern]

what is the class trait on the 390?

[idle kindle]

filthy trans

[dire wyvern]

thats generic

what is the class trait

[idle kindle]

iron fort

[dire wyvern]

take that

good trait

[idle kindle]

but bastion 😦

[dire wyvern]

definitely not worth 15 ilvl

fortress is pretty good

[idle kindle]

ok

thanks

[cosmic cargo]

how's fortress offensive btw? i assume pretty decent

ik defensive it's a slightly worse BfI

[strong forum]

1x IF is like 1-2% in m+

[cosmic cargo]

kinda meh then

but not terrible

[strong forum]

But I haven't run it in forever

So it might be higher

I'm sticking to 2x archive 1x DC for now, or 1x BfI 1x Dc 1x archive

[marble cipher]

Is this trinket any good (to pair with alch stone probably)

[hollow thorn]

What are your other options?

[marble cipher]

Syringe, which I don't guess is anything good

For prot I mean

And that's it, for now 😄

Still "farming" rezan

[dire wyvern]

syringe ilvl?

[hollow thorn]

ilvl pls

[marble cipher]

370

[hollow thorn]

I think id go Vial over Syringe

[dire wyvern]

take the feather

[hollow thorn]

The CD lines up nicely with Avatar

[marble cipher]

Don't have Vial though 🤔

[hollow thorn]

oh i thought it was lol

[marble cipher]

😄

[cosmic cargo]

vial is kinda bad for dps

underbudgeted

[marble cipher]

Guess the feather lines up with avatar as well, if enough rage is spent

[cosmic cargo]

lines up with CDs for pala too, still sims like utter garbage

[junior igloo]

This seems pretty terrible for avatar

I'd probably take syringe, but it's close

[cosmic cargo]

world boss feather trinket?

[hollow thorn]

Im not a fan of Syringe in dungeons, it can proc on a bad target and u get no value

I play with 385 Knot and 385 Disc, both with socket

[marble cipher]

Think I got that feather from a tortollan emissary, so it's a world quest trinket I guess

[cosmic cargo]

yeah that's the issue with syringe

oh I saw it now

[dire wyvern]

385 syringe / 390 lions strength here

[hollow thorn]

i think the wq trinkets are pretty underbudgeted

[cosmic cargo]

it'll still most likely proc on your main target

[dire wyvern]

all the crit 😂

[hollow thorn]

my DH got a 385+S one with haste on use

not even better than my 380 trinkets

[cosmic cargo]

since you have more damage events on them

[hollow thorn]

What is the optimal traits for M+? DC BoM Archive?

[final mist]

Yes.

[hollow thorn]

Thanks now i can prove Execuite wrong

[empty terrace]

Reee

goodboi

[primal crypt]

Why aren't people pushing this week :(

Why do team members have to be busy with IRL

IT MAKES NO SENSE

[hollow thorn]

Ppl that dont push this week are big dumbo

Get ur 15s this week then do temple next week

[primal crypt]

tYrRaNnIcAl Is HaRd

This is the responses

[hollow thorn]

Fortified is worse tho 🤔

Takes so long to kill shit

[primal crypt]

People dont understand and it makes me sad

This is the last push week before the season is done :/

Ree

[hollow thorn]

Yup

I got a 17 last week at least

[primal crypt]

Yup

Trying to hit the 18s this week

Everyone is crying about it

[hollow thorn]

We got a 17 Atal after i tanked 16 UR

6 min 20 sec left, was so free

[ionic fern]

How often do Hexers spawn on Zul?

[hollow thorn]

Idk when the firsr spawn

But i know the second cast is at 1:55

Then they spawn like 15 sec after

[marble cipher]

missing BoM on a 385 azerite
gambling 385 shoulders
getting BoM trait

it's a good day

[idle kindle]

wheres the best place to learn how to tank dungeons

specifically bfa dungeons

[elfin oar]

Is ghuun mythic tank damage mainly physical?

[astral crystal]

50/50

Corrupting bite

Plus dots

So maybe more magical than physical then

[hollow thorn]

Just remember to spell reflect malignant growth

[astral crystal]

Lol

That’s such a niche thing to do imo

Unless your guild is executing p3 flawlessly

There’s such a huge margin for error

[eager tartan]

Best way to learn how to tank Dungeons is pug like a champ

[astral crystal]

Yeah learn by doing

[eager tartan]

And turn your soft skin in stainless steel by every fuck up

[astral crystal]

And of course read up as much as you can

But nothing will@beat knowing what you can and can’t do by trying it

Can’t be afraid of key depletion

[eager tartan]

Imo the best trait any tank can have is experience

[marble cipher]

Is that on an inner ring?

😜

[eager tartan]

Joke aside it kind of does =P

You end up trusting your guts every pull in order to know how much you can handle

[dire wyvern]

yeh its all about experience and learning it

[ionic fern]

In Legion sure..now you gotta trust your DPS to interrupt and your healer not to be a mong.

😂

[willow lotus]

Fuck that

Pull everything

[jolly wasp]

Guys what are the best middle-ring traits? Icy veins guide says gutripper and other damage oriented traits are bad, but I don't think the defensive options in that ring are that good..

[willow lotus]

Blame healer if it goes bad

[elfin oar]

I mean that’s why I’m asking we currently have a monk / blood dk tanking it were wiping at 9% would replacing a 385 dk with 375-380 war be worth it

[willow lotus]

No

[dire wyvern]

luca what are your options

[willow lotus]

My warrior gets chewed up pretty bad

Only nice thing is SR during boils

[eager tartan]

Fuck a prot warrior is a dos in mythic +

[elfin oar]

Mhm

[eager tartan]

And check that Google document

Can't link it now

Off how many things you can block and Reflect

[jolly wasp]

@willow lotus in this specific case it's between Gutripper and Crystalline Carapace, on icy veins it says carapace is good while gutripper is not, but gutripper always deals a nice % of my damage on my Blood dk

[eager tartan]

A prot that does good reflects is the version of a parrying God in Dark Souls

[elfin oar]

What’s the cd on SR? I don’t play war but I’m raid leading so I try to know every class and what’s best

[dire wyvern]

what are doing luca?

if you're doing mythic ghuun go gut ripper

[willow lotus]

For M+ I’d go with Carapace

[dire wyvern]

m+ go carapace

etc

[marble cipher]

Which inner traits would you take (for dungeons), I'm leaning towards Heed My Call and Vamp Speed, but, not sure

[dire wyvern]

this week heed + bulwark

off teeming maybe vamp speed

[marble cipher]

hm, true, bulwark will trigger a lot more this week

Also, is Bury the Hatchet any good? You need to get the killing blow right?

[dire wyvern]

wouldnt pick it ever

unless its like the heal at 10 yard range thing which is awful as the other option

[marble cipher]

I just did, but, look what the other one is 😄

haha, yeah, that one 😉

[dire wyvern]

yeh exactly

[hollow thorn]

better than self reliance

shouldnt be a trait

[dire wyvern]

literally pointless

[hollow thorn]

so is Bury

both are useless

but bury is less useless

[dire wyvern]

only really play melee but i guess self reliance is actually good for ranged on some bosses

like for ghuun last phase

dunno how substantial the heal actually is tho

[marble cipher]

it's ridiculously small tbf

[dire wyvern]

1250 every 3 seconds at 390 and i assumes stats change that, definitely worse than resounding or impassive

[marble cipher]

yeah

that's the 390 version

[dire wyvern]

but its not entirely useless for ranged

would be fine at like every 1 second

[crystal creek]

The only plate it might be good for is a holy pally, shouldn't even be on plate imo.

[dire wyvern]

yeh and even holy pally is awful for

because you are in melee 90% of the time

[crystal creek]

Exactly, worthless trait on plate.

[dire wyvern]

yeh

wouldnt be much trouble to make that distinction

[cosmic cargo]

self-reliance is actually a really good trait for ranged tbh

just...

not melee including tanks

but even holy pala its bad, they're pretty much melee

[crystal creek]

ya no reason it should be on any plate gear.

except to fill space

[hollow thorn]

12 yd is a big range

bad healing, bad range, bad for melee

[dire wyvern]

its lower hps than impassive tho assuming you are hit every 6 seconds

even then, if you arent taking damage it does nothing for you so impassive is always better

but atleast it isnt useless for ranged

[cosmic cargo]

yup

[marble cipher]

Bounding Stride or Crackling Thunder for M+?

Both seem very decent 🤔

[final mist]

You can make anything on that tier work in M+, its more or less down to personal preference.

[marble cipher]

k, yeah, thought as much

[final mist]

I prefer Bounding Stride for most situations, Safeguard works for helping group members during some hard dungeons (I like it in high keys on Tyrannical weeks, for example), CT is useful for just hitting shit sooner.

[prime kernel]

yo , how good is Ancient's bulwark for us ? (that's the leaf trait from Darkshore)

[astral crystal]

havent tried but doesnt look great

[cosmic cargo]

looks like crap

low healing low versa

the horde got a better trait

[prime kernel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=166578/wardenguards-breastplate&bonus=1507:5124&azerite-powers=1
vs
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159432/breastplate-of-arterial-protection&bonus=1562:4817&azerite-powers=1
both 390

dont count 5th tier ofc ;d

[cosmic cargo]

maybe first with iron fortress

oh wait it has a useless T3

actually nvm it's the other that does i'm silly

yeah i'd take the first

it also has 2 good T2 options, 1 defensive and 1 for damage

[signal plover]

Anyone know if there's something similar to RA planned for BoD raid?

[hidden linden]

IIRC, they said there won't be

But things may have changed since then, I haven't checked

[signal plover]

Ya info is pretty scarce and I don't remember seeing anything about it

[hidden linden]

I'll try and dig up my source

But it may take some time with my phone

Welp, can't seem to find it. I'll try again tonight at home

That being said, the main argument was that nothing resembling AR was found or datamined (yet)

Maybe there will be a "gradual nerf" mechanic like AR was, but it may be in another form

[dire wyvern]

Crackling thunder is good when kiting

can clap people from a good distance to keep damage input up

if you are ever in a situation you need to kite

also would maybe go blood rite + azerite veins @prime kernel

Probably not much difference between that and iron fortress + heed

[cosmic cargo]

the iron fortress one actually has a T3 though

vamp speed is better than people give it credit for

[marble cipher]

Don't DH's get resources from interrupting?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236531364835360769/530779261376659457/unknown.png

Pugs :-(

That's overall on an atal 11

[primal crypt]

Yikes

[crystal creek]

That's the thing with DH's. You either get real good ones, or shitters who took it because it's the easiest 120 to lvl from start.

[primal crypt]

^

[marble cipher]

Got chain feared on a double bird pull cause they just did not interrupt...

Ah well, at least I got some tanking practice 🤷

[crystal creek]

or AoE stun..

[marble cipher]

Lol, true, they have that too

[cosmic cargo]

AoE stun is a DPS loss though

[thorn torrent]

whats the best race on horde for a prot war

[primal crypt]

They're all good

Highmountain is my preferred

Belf is good for m+

Orc is great for pvp due to stun duration racial

Tauren is good for herbing

Panda is good for best food buff

Undead looks really cool in mogs

[final mist]

Racials aren't really that impactful. They aren't going to really save you in any given situation.

[primal crypt]

@final mist speak for yourself

Bull rush is really good for running away lol

[final mist]

In any given situation, a death is going to be avoided by either playing better or something else along those lines.

If Bull Rush would've "saved" you, you fucked up earlier, be it pulling too much, playing badly (ex. Wasting SB charges while LS is active), etc, etc.

[primal crypt]

Lol, I was referring more to the assaults and alliance chasing me down

XD

[final mist]

Some racials are more impactful than others (ex. Arcane Torrent in M+), but none of them are necessary or "the best".

[signal plover]

Race choice is all about how good they look in plate mogs

[vocal nimbus]

undead all the way

[final mist]

Orcs, NB, or BEs, no other choices tbh.

[cosmic cargo]

undead looks absolutely terrible

[hollow thorn]

undead prot war is fine

[cosmic cargo]

I agree with sal, elfs and orc

[primal crypt]

Femorc, HigM, fembelf

NB is yuck

[cosmic cargo]

leveling a mag'har fem orc

[signal plover]

Orc or tauren imo

But I love my DID

[vocal nimbus]

@hollow thorn this man knows the truth

[cosmic cargo]

but as racials go belf and nelf for sure are best

specially if multiple people in your run are nelf

can do cheesy stuff

[primal crypt]

Nelf is super cheese

The resets are really nice

[cosmic cargo]

yup

[warm plinth]

That's right. Better recognize Alliance superiority!

[crystal creek]

#MakeEscapePlanGreatAgain

[sick sentinel]

I would say that 3x390 BoM has been good this week

[cosmic cargo]

escape plan? isn't that the fugly midget racial?

[crystal creek]

Are you using more haste/mastery pieces too?

It's the new toy that got nerfed before it was even live.

[sick sentinel]

385 knot

[crystal creek]

rings etc, haste/vers?

[sick sentinel]

haste crit and haste vers rings

ilvl for every piece, I don't get much of a choice in there

weapon is still 370+s tho

[cosmic cargo]

why would haste be too impactful for damage?

it's prob the worst for it

i meant

[sick sentinel]

more claps during avatar

[cosmic cargo]

mast

not haste

silly me

[sick sentinel]

mastery gives attack power

[warm plinth]

I thought the toy had been live for a while? Thought people just didn't know about it.

[sick sentinel]

when I press avatar I get 1625 mastery, and that is 34% more attack power

[cosmic cargo]

yes but the scaling is not as effective as other stats

for damage

[sick sentinel]

scales better than vers and worse than crit afaik

[primal crypt]

Mastery is def good

[cosmic cargo]

it's hard to say 100% for prot warr because no sims but for most other tanks it's generally the last for dps

[primal crypt]

Triple bom is a want

[cosmic cargo]

and mastery does the same for all offensively

[primal crypt]

If you have it, you use it

In m+ scenario

[cosmic cargo]

bom could have any other stat and it'd still be good

bunch of stats during avatar? hell yes

[primal crypt]

Too bad i have only 1...

At 375

Feelsgoodman

[crystal creek]

should be a lot of fun with the next ring coming out.

Lot of options.

[steel mauve]

Usually the argument isnt great for a stat based on how it is for other classes

[cosmic cargo]

mastery offensively does exactly the same for every tank

so, at least relatively to main stat and versa, it has the same value for all

crit and haste are obviously a bit more complicated to judge like that

[wind pecan]

Does ignore pain mitigate bleed damage, like on berserkers in kr?

[cosmic cargo]

it's an absorb so yes

but armor doesn't affect it

[wind pecan]

Just making sure, I keep hearing how awful prot is for bleed damage so I started wondering.

I guess people are saying that because of the lack of self healing?

[cosmic cargo]

most tanks are terrible at bleeds

[wind pecan]

That's what I thought, which is why i thought maybe there was something I wasn't understanding.

[cosmic cargo]

warr is not that bad imo because IP does a little and it has the most CDs

[wind pecan]

True. I guess we're just missing an immunity like pal or insane self healing so people drum it up like it's the end of the world.

[cosmic cargo]

pala only handles bleeds better if they're not very often 😛

[wind pecan]

I know lol, I main one. Loving warrior so far. Not really understanding the hate. Thanks for info man

[mental tundra]

What does 3x bom mean?

[marble cipher]

Triple Bastion of Might traits

[mental tundra]

I tought brace snd deafening was the go to traits 😮

[marble cipher]

BoM is a dps trait for dungeons, aoe dps that is

For raids you don't want it, afaik

[mental tundra]

Ah

Thanks

[spiral ravine]

On a scale of 1 to 10 how retarded is x3 DC on a Mythic+

[astral crystal]

0 iq

you only need 1, get BoM for m_

m+

[crystal creek]

Anything over 1 doesn't add to the shout, just alittle dmg. More BoMs would give better dmg.

[spiral ravine]

Just saw a prot tank running a +12 with those and the healer collapsed lol

[crystal creek]

with 3 DC's?

[spiral ravine]

Yeah pretty sick

in a bad way ofc

I was laughing hard but we managed to finish it, healer was dope

[crystal creek]

Ya, only need 1 and obviously take booming voice talent.

[cosmic cargo]

if he didn't have better options it's fine, should be good damage at least

[spiral ravine]

Yeah, i heard x1 DC + x2 BoM is pretty awesome atm for m++

[crystal creek]

It'll smash for sure.

While still giving some nice defense.

Well, damage reduction, if you consider that defense.

[sick sentinel]

triple BoM is life man

[crystal creek]

Maybe I'll get lucky with some with BfD, I only have 1.

[spiral ravine]

Is there a way to sim prot warrior or something like a table where we can check sims of our dmg traits?

[sick sentinel]

there is no working sims for prot warriors

btw, you will have to be 7/9 mythic to have triple 420 BoM from just dazar alor azerite

so you get BoM head and chest from the first 3 bosses and then you buy shoulders from the vendor 😛

[spiral ravine]

Running a dps trait setup like this atm: x1 DC + x2 Archive
Is it worth dropping one of those archives for a BoM?

[vocal nimbus]

Yr

Ye

[spiral ravine]

Thanks Shenko

[silk moat]

What healer is best for us trying to push above 10’s?

Ideally

Mw?

[vocal nimbus]

More dungeon dependant rather than prot

[spiral ravine]

I have good results with a disc friend (good comms tho) and i've been having good runs with mw monks too

[cosmic cargo]

mw kinda is the best healer

in general

[vocal nimbus]

Rdruid/mw are the strongest imo

[neon tangle]

Go find one named Jdotb

And you should be fine

[silk moat]

Copy that

[vocal nimbus]

But to push above 10s any class is good

[neon tangle]

^^^ unless you’re pushing high keys you can bring a resto shaman or whatever

[silk moat]

I’m running 390 BFI, 390 BoM, and 375 DC, but I could run a 390 Bloodsport in its place.

Dunno if I should give up DC tho

[vocal nimbus]

I wouldnt

If the DC piece was 345 like mine then yeah

[silk moat]

I have 390 vial that I use for bigger clap deeps which makes the leech window good

Yeah I have good luck running either tbh

[dreamy owl]

hey guys are there any tips for mythic Vectis for Prot warrior?

[primal crypt]

Kill him before he kills you

[dusk locust]

if you get omega vector and spell reflect right before it expires you don't get a stack of lingering infection

[molten scaffold]

^ This feels so good, lol. Like I'm getting away with something.

[cold owl]

390 BoM is how much mastery? Can't find the scaled amount

X1

[oblique garnet]

560 ish

[cold owl]

Cool thanks. I think my fury chest has it, but I'm prot main.

[jade lichen]

Hello quick M+ question i have 1 trait of dafening crash, should i pair with blood sport x2 or iron fortress x2 forbest results?

[crystal creek]

560, good lord.

[signal plover]

@dusk locust I thought they fixed the vector reflect thing. Could have sworn I saw that on here a few weeks back but I haven't done Vectis in a month

[dusk locust]

o did they?

i haven't run vectis in forever

[oblique garnet]

they didnt

[dusk locust]

i'm going to see it again tues tho. also would it be super unwise to use the ghuun spell reflect trick in p3 for our rekill

would rather not have our CE erased or something lol

[random magnet]

One question if you folks don't mind. I can't seem to find the answer on icy veins nor the guides in the discord so I'm wondering, is it worth equiping a shield that's a 5 ivl uppgrade if my current shield has a socket?

[crystal creek]

Always go ilvl on a shield due to the armor and block of the higher ilvl.

Least that has been my philosophy.

[random magnet]

Think so too, but I'm not sure enough

[final mist]

Shield ilevel upgrades are always upgrades, no matter the stats.

[crystal creek]

Or socket in this case.

[random magnet]

Thanks for the answers, much appreciated ^^

[primal crypt]

Is the ghuun spell reflect thing patched yet?

Gm is telling me to reflect all the things

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure it's not patched

[dusk locust]

tbh it feels a little exploity

[signal plover]

Wasn't patched last night

[vocal nimbus]

you can only reflect one

if you get hit by more

the damage of the others will affect you

[signal plover]

Ummmm believe u can reflect more than one

Lettme check logs

[dusk locust]

i dunno that clip that was posted he was skystep potting and running through a bunch

[warm plinth]

If it's not patched, it's not consuming the reflect, but reflects all of them

[dusk locust]

and blasted ghuun for like 1% of his health

[signal plover]

I did 2.24mil to ghuun over P3

[echo egret]

hey, how much haste% is considered "enough, time to go for other stats" ? I have 24% without Into The Fray kicking in

[sick sentinel]

clip? you have a clip of someone doing it ?

[warm plinth]

There isn't ever enough haste. Ilevel>all, and no breakpoints

[echo egret]

well ilvl > all maybe but more haste makes the game just more enjoyable, so that's something

[lucid bough]

@sick sentinel https://clips.twitch.tv/RoughAntediluvianOrangeSaltBae

[warm plinth]

Well if you want to use that logic, then it's subjective and you should go for other stats when you feel comfortable doing so.

[sick sentinel]

thanks

We're gonna get to last phase soon so I can do some 200 IQ strats :>

[primal crypt]

GUESS WE'RE BLASTING GHUUN BOYS

200IQ

[crystal creek]

Givem the

[primal crypt]

3.8%

I'm about to solo him for the last bit

Take all the credit then eat the permaban

At least everyone got CE amirite?

[lavish oracle]

I doubt you'd be banned for it

[crystal creek]

I don't consider using SR on an ability exploitation.

[signal plover]

If they banned for this may as well ban locks that used the glare bug on mythrax

Maybe even sub rogues on zul?

[sick sentinel]

or BDK on every other boss with magic debuff

[signal plover]

The whole tier is full of shit like this

[main vault]

Its not even close to an exploitation

[sick sentinel]

Is anyone here using the raider.io addon?

[lavish oracle]

I installed it and it exists in my game

[main vault]

Of course

[lavish oracle]

I don't really use it if that makes sense

[sick sentinel]

Did it update to have an average score for the keys today?

[main vault]

havnt noticed

[sick sentinel]

Because whenever I look at any keys, it shows the average score

For a key complete for that dungeon/level

[main vault]

hm

[keen galleon]

OK so legit question about BOM. What makes it so good? Paladins have a similar trait which sims horribly. Is it just a matter of uptime on avatar?

[sick sentinel]

So for my 15 SoB it shows the average score of people who timed 15

Yes @keen galleon

[lavish oracle]

Doesn't show it on my key

[keen galleon]

Or is it just that we have no sims and can't actually tell when a general trait might be better?

[main vault]

Doesnt show in LFG so no

[sick sentinel]

It is good, for damage

Are you moused over the key itself?

[main vault]

yes

[lavish oracle]

yeah

[main vault]

It says base score

[lavish oracle]

I updated it like...3 hours ago so unless another update came out mine's up to date

[main vault]

That means how many points you get for 1 chesting it

[sick sentinel]

This is what Im seeing

[main vault]

I see the top and bottom lines

not the middle

[lavish oracle]

I'm just getting base score and my highest

[sick sentinel]

Thats fucking weird

[main vault]

And I literally just updating mine when you asked

[sick sentinel]

Huh

[rocky linden]

What consumables do you bring for m+?

[sturdy sable]

scrolls and blood sausage

[rocky linden]

No I mean flasks and potions... str or stam/survival stuff?

[sturdy sable]

strength pots invis poits and speed pots

[lavish oracle]

Lightfoot potions, strength pots, invis pots, stat food and like a stack of ordinary no-buff food

[rocky linden]

I'm more basic than that 😃

[sturdy sable]

strength flask

[sick sentinel]

Stregthen flask, invis pots, vers food, runes

And legion flask

For when i can't 100% trust my pugs

[rocky linden]

Cool, thanks 😃

[lavish oracle]

I just don't bother flasking below a 15, lol

[rocky linden]

I literally havent done a single m+ on my warrior yet, so I don't think I'll start aiming for 15 yet 😃

[signal plover]

Dive in the deep end izzi pizzi

[lavish oracle]

Ye, warrior doesn't take damage, it's fine

unless something casts a spell at you

[rocky linden]

Good thing there's no spells in m+ then

[sick sentinel]

I would honestly only bring food with you

if ur doing keys below 14/15

Consumables that aren't foods are expensive af

[lavish oracle]

Or become an alchemist

[rocky linden]

I've got plenty of gold, just lack experiencec and skill!

[lavish oracle]

because they're cheap to make

but expensive to buy

[sick sentinel]

I honestly might

But then i think about it

I have the fel longblade plan

and that makes me a fuck load of money

[rocky linden]

Follow-up question though... are the highmountain tauren bonses good enough to make it a preferred race? or is it all irrelevant at this point?

[lavish oracle]

I'm tempted to become an engi for the rez and then I remember I'm a tank and there's no way I'm getting that cast off in an emergency

[sick sentinel]

Very dependt on u

Sense is Belf for the aoe purge

I think it sucks ass and shit

[rocky linden]

Belf isn't an option out of principle. :p

[sick sentinel]

Good

[lavish oracle]

Racials basically don't matter unless you're a nelf or a dark iron, play what you want

[sick sentinel]

I like you already'

[main vault]

BE is hands down still top 2

[rocky linden]

Staying orc then!

[sick sentinel]

HM knockdown can be good, if A) know when to use, B) how to use it, and C) who can it affect

[rocky linden]

They do look kind of cool though

[sick sentinel]

Just have to be creative with some racials that aren't a dps boost

like the goblin racial

It can be a gap closer or an escape

[median wigeon]

@lavish oracle you can use the eng bres while tanking. At least I'm pretty sure you can, I might have parried like 4 attacks in a row

[shut summit]

Yea you can use it while tanking

[sick sentinel]

Also I forgot who mentioned either today or yesterday, there is a new exploitable in ToS with killing the 3 bosses in a M0 and then do a M+ tos and running all the way to the last boss, doing it first then reverse killing all the bosses

Now that shit sounds like a ban ready to happen

Even though the sharkboss had 1 as well(not as bad but)

[crystal creek]

Ya I wouldn't be testing that out.

[sick sentinel]

Best to let people know, just in case

[main vault]

That’s definitely an exploit

[warm plinth]

Shares new exploit for a dungeon that makes it insanely easy "But don't do it"

[sick sentinel]

Better to be informed then uniformed and get caught for something u didn't know

[warm plinth]

I'm just giving you shit.

[sick sentinel]

[warm plinth]

On the other hand, if you do that and think for even a second it's not an exploit, you're duuuuumb

[main vault]

I feel like you arent uninformed doing that

[sick sentinel]

I didn't know about both sharkboss exploits until it happened

[main vault]

If you completed those events to trigger it, you know what you are doing and deserve it

Ok sure

[warm plinth]

But you have to do a specific sequence of events to make this one happen.

You can't really do it by accident

[main vault]

But you can’t accidentally kill three bosses then enter completely different content and do it in reserve

[crystal creek]

ya, i'm too lazy to exploit that.

[main vault]

Accidentally

[sick sentinel]

We live in a world where we have to put a sign that says "Wet floor"

[warm plinth]

Tbf the Ghuun thing with spell reflect is straight up an exploit too.

Spell Reflect's mechanic is designed to reflect a single spell. Abusing it to reflect a spell that you've discovered isn't covered by that is an exploit

[crystal creek]

right, but you're not gonna get banned for using SR during a mechanic.

[warm plinth]

Exactly. It's likely not a bannable offense, unlike the other one potentially being bannable (and probably would be if you did it repeatedly)

[sick sentinel]

So get ur +25's done now

[warm plinth]

😂

[sick sentinel]

Do it the once

And never go back lol

[warm plinth]

I feel like if you set the world record for key completion, it might attract Blizzard's attention :p

[sick sentinel]

[warm plinth]

What does the buff do btw?

[crystal creek]

I'd explain how I talented and made it easy to do.

[warm plinth]

Ew

[sick sentinel]

From ToS? Perma bloodlust with damage reduction

[warm plinth]

Ah okay

[sick sentinel]

Like 75% damage reduced

[main vault]

Idk I don’t count that as an exploit

You don’t have to do anything special to gain the additional reflects

You mitigate the first

[warm plinth]

Idk, it's a mechanic not working properly at its root. Continuing to use it, knowing it isn't functioning as intended would be an exploit in my eyes.

I'm not judging anyone who does it or anything. I'm just saying that by my definition, it's definitely an exploit. I doubt Blizz will even bother to fix it at this point considering the tier is almost over.

[main vault]

It is one the first though

You can’t force a tank to not use mitigation on something because it works too well

“No, you have to die because we can’t code this right. Rip you”

[vocal nimbus]

Its an exploit because you are reflecting more than one "effect" of the same thing

SR clearly says in the tooltip that only one spell will be reflected

[crystal creek]

I thought it only reflected one of them.

[vocal nimbus]

Maybe i've read it wrong 😂

[warm plinth]

No it reflects all of them

[main vault]

Using skystep to intentionally run through a bunch, sure

That’s BDK on EN spider level

But just using it, naw

[sick sentinel]

Hey man, what if I REALLY love blood and zits

As an aside, I really am thinking of going alchy

[warm plinth]

@main vault I'll give you that. If you're not intentionally running around to reflect as many as possible, then you're fine. You can't change that it's not working properly, and if you need to use SR for mitigation, you need to use it.

[main vault]

A single reflect is still like 300k right?

[warm plinth]

Probably. People are doing millions of damage by doing it, so that sounds right.

[sick sentinel]

Just let prot warriors have a nice thing at least once in life

[stark sage]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

we deserve it

[stark sage]

nevermind the entire 8.1 balance changes

[warm plinth]

Yeah we're not one of the best tanks now or anything 🤔

[sick sentinel]

I dont care about being one of the best

I want to BE the best

[main vault]

Even Sco may play in prog

😆

[sick sentinel]

well about damn time

Yeah and I might get WF too

[main vault]

I won’t believe War is good til I see Method tank rankings vid

[stark sage]

😡

[main vault]

Need high points

[sick sentinel]

we've been really good for one week in EN

[warm plinth]

If Sco doesn't say it, it's not true.

😂

[stark sage]

[sick sentinel]

I luled when Sco rated warrs last in ToS and Exorsus used one for progression up untill Kil'jaeden

[stark sage]

warrior would have been amazing for KJ progression if roar wasnt so important

being able to have ~99% DR for fel claws

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was just about to say that.

[sick sentinel]

exactly

[warm plinth]

Stupid druids, ruining our limelight

[sick sentinel]

Seeing BDK health yoyoing while mine barely moved

Towellie was gearing his warr so we might be doomed

Damn

That guy is never getting a break huh lol

[main vault]

Towellie 😆

[sick sentinel]

I feel bad for him because he's like the butt of a joke for some reason and I don't know why

[final mist]

Because he has a tendency to do things that are huge jokes on stream.

Like using a toy on progression, not realizing he's not in bear form, and blaming healers for his death. Or hearthing mid-pull on progression because he has his Hearthstone keybound. Or seeing an Agility trinket and talking about asking Blizzard to move it to his paladin because it's got a Haste proc on it.

Everyone makes mistakes, he just gets the brunt of a lot because he's a relatively large WoW streamer, and his mistakes tend to be a bit more humorous than the others.

[hot locust]

Anyone else run along the inside of a mythrax beam and then wonder if there were healers on your side? :3

[shut summit]

😬

[signal plover]

Don't let your beams be memes

[astral crystal]

I liked when he horsied back to the ghuun orb spawn location after grabbing it

That was quality

[main vault]

I was gonna say

The paladin meme is best meme

[signal plover]

So I didn't know about Towelie til Wildstar and then I saw him play that game and just get obliterated in countless ways

[main vault]

Tbh he isn’t a bad player

He just has a lot of meme moments

[astral crystal]

You see the clip of him getting the agi trinket from sots

And complaining he didn’t get it on his pally

Kek

[main vault]

Yeah

[broken kite]

@hot locust kek

[silk moat]

shimmering haven or blood siphon?

377 ilvl

higher keys

[main vault]

Blood Siphon

[sick sentinel]

Shimmering siphon

Also, woohoo boss gave me this week 3 days off

Just gotta work saturday next week

So now I can work on my mememotes

[main vault]

Lol

I got from Wed-Sat off

Time to farm out some m+ and look for a guild

[neon tangle]

I’ve got off dec 22-jan14

Yay Christmas

[nova gale]

Like

Can someone give me better geeear REEEE

I have 0 BoM traits and still rocking 345 shoulders for DC. FeelsBromMan

[uneven mason]

gave up on the DC train, haven't noticed a problem

388ilvl tho

[nova gale]

Don't have anything to replace with tho

I guess what's holding me back most is weapon and shield at 370

[sick sentinel]

Pray for zandalr/voldun azerite cache

[uneven mason]

did mythic with a 370 shield, only got a 375 finally last week heh

[nova gale]

I just want more deeps

for m+

I am tanky enough

[hollow thorn]

this was fun

[main vault]

Lulz

That Monk though

[hollow thorn]

Pugged a 11 Temple for tnak score

shitty pugs as always

[sick sentinel]

Good luck doing keys below +12/13

[broken roost]

Using 375 Jes' and 380 Vial but don't have enough slots on my bars to actively use both - which would be better to macro lol

[main vault]

Honestly the worst range to pug is like 5-12

Maybe like 7-12

[foggy mason]

Anything below a 10 is usually bad. 10 and 11 are hit or miss. I haven't done enough above 11 to comment

[main vault]

Yeah but up to 5-7 you can pmuch carry almost

Needs little effort from the group

[sick sentinel]

God i fucking wish i knew how to record gameplay

Doing a +15 SoB, at 3rd boss and adds from the left side of the gate pulled the him

Through a lot of sweat, nail biting, and pain killed all the trash with only 1 death

Thank fucking god for boomkin/DH

Banny/Mass Roots/Treants

[warm plinth]

Hmm, I can record Gameplay with Windows, but that might be a 10 Pro feature.

[sick sentinel]

I just dont know how to record gameplay, like at all

I know how to play ze game

But recording I couldn't tell you wtf i would need

[warm plinth]

Try pressing Windows+G and see if it brings up a bar at the bottom of your screen.

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Press the record button (the little circle). When you're done, press stop. It'll save it automatically

[sick sentinel]

I play on a laptop if it helps

[main vault]

Do you have GeForce Experience?

[sick sentinel]

i think

[main vault]

You can auto record then save x seconds back

Basically like snipping a twitch stream

Or you can save the entire file to your HD

[sick sentinel]

Literally going over my head all of this, cause i have fuck all knowledge about snipping

I just found the geforce

[main vault]

You’ve Never seen people link a stream and it’s only 10 seconds long clip?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[main vault]

You can do that with your live game through GeForce

[sick sentinel]

Ah

[main vault]

So when you have memes like that

You can hit a keyboard shortcut

Then your memes won’t be dreams

[sick sentinel]

And so I can become a maymay Lord

At least now, I just need to do +15 a KR/Shrine

[inland mesa]

reflecting malignant growth on g'huun, is there a trick to it? I'm scared I'm going to eat one and then eat another and die like a pleb

[main vault]

You hit the button before you get hit by it

[sick sentinel]

If only I got this back when it was still 385

or whatever

[main vault]

Doesn’t work if you do it after

[inland mesa]

but it only reflects one, so it's basically pop, stand in one, dodge rest? ye?

concerned by the "doesn't consume reflect" part

[oblique garnet]

they dont hit at the same time

[main vault]

It doesn’t seem to consume the one flag

So it reflects them all

[inland mesa]

so you can take multiple or just one

[warm plinth]

You should only be able to reflect one, but there's a bug involving that ability that causes it to not consume the reflect "charge". So you will reflect all of them within the 3 second window of Spell Reflection.

Or rather not a bug, but it's just not flagged properly or something.

[molten scaffold]

Just looted a 370 Vanquished Tendril of G'huun from a heroic run -- I've heard this trinket is just...not good. Should I consider using it?
My current trinkets are a 355 Deck and 350 Howler.

[main vault]

It’s pretty meh

[sick sentinel]

Stick with what u have

[steel mauve]

use deck and howler

tendril is trash

[molten scaffold]

Oh, I missed the trinket list, my bad.

[sick sentinel]

Just keep it for bag itemlvl

[molten scaffold]

KK. Thank you guys. RIP, my bonus roll.

[sick sentinel]

asdASDASDASDASD

i didnt get the 385 mythrax trinket

[main vault]

I kinda wish I had it for m+

[sick sentinel]

yeah

i wanted it

tank equipped it :))

idk if he went through rclootcouncil at all

cus it was up for it

idk

idc

[main vault]

I’d never use it in raid

But some m+ pulls would be awesome

[polar eagle]

should i use a 370 helm with AOT or a 385 with Callous reprisal ?

[main vault]

Do you have another piece with archive?

[polar eagle]

no

[main vault]

Then archive

[polar eagle]

okay ty

[broken moon]

is there a go-to rule in regards to using last stand?

[main vault]

I just use it to fill holes in SB

Unless there is something specific I wanna save it for

[steel mauve]

usually SB X 3 last stand SB X 3

but there are certain situations where you use last stand otherwise

[outer dew]

Rstard large pulls for openers are a good example

[main vault]

Yeah I’ll open with LS if I’m doing a ridiculous pull

[upbeat ivy]

Where do I find a WA that makes Revenge only glow when it's free due to parry? :(

Or how do I make it only on that proc :/

[fresh wind]

the default UI already shows that

[upbeat ivy]

Doesn't matter to me.

I work in WA's I refuse to use anything standard related D:

Left and right panels / sides off of the character are used with stuff, can't have some standard Blizzthing glow there

[sick sentinel]

@polar eagle 385 in m+ , 370 in uldir

[polar eagle]

okay ty 😃

[lusty bridge]

I use luxthos for all 3 specs, mainly because they’re all included. It has a rotation highlight meaning that it highlights the ability that in a general sense, is probably your best bet to use. It does show revenge as being usable vs not but also gives it a glow during party.

@upbeat ivy

[upbeat ivy]

Eeeww I like Luxthos but I have to delete so much unneccessary stuff q_q. I do usually take him as template and personlaize but his Prot Warri just couldn't do it for me. I got it fixed now after playing around tho! Thank you :lirikH:

[lusty bridge]

Yeah I had to mess around with a lot of stuff but now that I’m used to it I see no reason to change, it works for me and I’m glad you got it sorted!

[sweet kettle]

What is this luxthos thing?

[vocal nimbus]

A person

That makes weakauras

[marble flume]

is protwar can tanking now? or they already peace of shit?

[oblique garnet]

Can you put it in english?

[vocal nimbus]

🎣

[marble flume]

protection norms or still shit?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[slate vine]

One of the strongest against physical, weakest piece of garbage against magical. But spell reflect against bosses is fun

[marble flume]

I thought 8.1 would fix them and it would be possible to return to my main again 😦

[severe pond]

[vocal canopy]

Bloodsport vs iron Fortress Traits for high M+?

[silk mortar]

Iron Fortress

[abstract geyser]

@upbeat ivy I have an aura for revenge specifically that I can share with you

[devout tinsel]

quick question, is vial of animated blood any good? i have eye of rezan + jes howler right now but could upgrade to a vial with +15 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

Vial is really good for deeps tbh

is vial a +15 ilvl upgrade for both eye and jes?

[devout tinsel]

for jes +15 for eye + 10

[sick sentinel]

replace jes

[devout tinsel]

ok ill try it out, thanks

[wise solstice]

Can you still deflect ghuun shrooms for 600k damage?

[grave grove]

that is still a thing, yes

[cosmic cargo]

@grave grove

[grave grove]

@cosmic cargo 🤔

[cosmic cargo]

hello

[grave grove]

don't @ me

[vocal nimbus]

@grave grove

easy

[oblique garnet]

Banned

[grave grove]

🔨

[silk moat]

You can deflect the mushroom pizza mechanic back to ghuun??

[marble cipher]

Yes

20 prot warrior Mythic G'huun Inc!!

[silk moat]

Wow

I wish I knew that.

[marble cipher]

Well, maybe throw in a few holy paladins

[silk moat]

So do you have to put up shield wall at the same time/IP, or just straight up stand in a slice and reflect

[marble cipher]

Spell Reflect

[sick sentinel]

Reflect and run around

[silk moat]

That’s nice 😮

Ran my first timed m10 last night

👍

Prot feels so much better when you get a shield worth a damn.

[sturdy trench]

wait which is the mushroom pizza mechanic

at last phase ? or the one that stays throughout the fight

soooo 600 every 25 secs

=600k/25 dps

=24k dps

=more than everyone else in the raid

WTF?

does the debuff stack?

[austere oar]

No

The red mushrooms in p3

You can spell reflect the bursting

[sturdy trench]

just one hit i guess ?

how much dmg is one explosion?

thinking if its worth to switch prot instead of arms here

[vocal nimbus]

you can reflect as many as you can get

[sturdy trench]

i mean at the same time

or do they take one charge after the first hit

[vocal nimbus]

you have 5 sec to get as many as you can

the buff doesnt get consumed

[sturdy trench]

lol?

[vocal nimbus]

exploit i guess

[sturdy trench]

ehm

nothing wrong here i guess

😂

[austere oar]

Skystep + spell reflect

I think I have a clip lemme find it

https://clips.twitch.tv/RoughAntediluvianOrangeSaltBae

[sturdy trench]

sooo should spell reflect also work on bursting in the m+ affix?

in that it doesnt give u stacks if u have it up or is it just a bug with gun

[vocal nimbus]

bug with gun

[sturdy trench]

is it bannable?

[austere oar]

That's a bug specific to ghuun yeah

Could be bannable

But that's the end of the progress so that might get through

[sturdy trench]

imagine if they used it

in the actual world first

5 prot warrs

ghun insta ded

[austere oar]

Imagine using prot warriors in world first race

[marble cipher]

Might happen for Jaina tbf

might

[austere oar]

I'm going prot next raid

[oblique garnet]

Depends which tanks get the best gear before mythic week probably🤔

[austere oar]

But during early Uldir they were not sufficient for the world first race

[oblique garnet]

Id say its even probably likely pair with monk

[marble cipher]

I'm considering switching to prot Warr as my main tank spec, over BrM. But might just stick to BrM for progress.

[austere oar]

Azerite pieces are more focused towards class traits next raid

Prot traits are extremely strong

Several DC + BoM

Tank spec with equivalent of dps dmgs

[marble cipher]

BoM not good for progress I guess though

[oblique garnet]

Its not bad

[austere oar]

We wont have RA anymore

[marble cipher]

Or, well, with the extra rings you're not really giving up bfi or something for it

[oblique garnet]

Im guessing the best raid setup will be 3x BoM 1 DC and 2x Bfi

[austere oar]

^

[oblique garnet]

Atleast thats what im gonna go for

[marble cipher]

No IF?

[austere oar]

I progressed as a BrM with Archive 2x Rezan

Fathoms and Frenetic corpuscule

[oblique garnet]

Idk if theres if on the bom pieces

[austere oar]

Prot's gonna be insane

[marble cipher]

Ah, yeah, haven't checked

[austere oar]

Specially with engineer goggles

[oblique garnet]

Engi goggles loses one prot specific trait tho

[austere oar]

Gizmo tho

[sturdy trench]

is it worth going engi for the goggle?S

[austere oar]

800 strength 25k hp / 950 haste for 10 secs at 385

DC outer ring also

So glad we're rid of mandatory raid trait

[sturdy trench]

hmm

can u send

the engineering goggles traits

wowhead doesnt show what they are

[austere oar]

I'm not on my computer atm :/

[oblique garnet]

Not necessarily got rid of one necessary trait

Its just that its added into every single piece

[austere oar]

Yeah

That and also that each boss loot an azerite piece

[teal kelp]

what are tough dungeons for prot warriors? like what dungeons are the highest magic damage? im new to prot

[oblique garnet]

Motherlode, kings rest

[teal kelp]

that it?

[oblique garnet]

Shrine if nobody is interrupting

[teal kelp]

cool! thanks

also whats best for keys? haste or mastery?

[oblique garnet]

There are no bad stats for prot

[teal kelp]

so ilvl?

what should i gem/enchant?

[oblique garnet]

Haste

[sturdy trench]

Vers is pulling slightly above mastery

[oblique garnet]

On same ilvl pieces favor haste in stats