protection

[sick sentinel]

in 1 big go

cus it's not skittish/bolst >.>

also

no guarantee I'll have a rogue

[ionic fern]

Then deathskip

Pull both of the honor guard packs before Vok and let everyone else run to the boss room

You die and get ressed.

Or let a hunter do it if you got one.

[sick sentinel]

v

both of these?

https://i.imgur.com/GVur8Yl.png

[ionic fern]

Jeah, if you wanna skip them both

[sick sentinel]

ye

guess if I do g10 I can

and that makes 237/237

[ionic fern]

Just be sure to rightclick /cancelaura all the stuff the healer might have on you before you do it.

[sick sentinel]

ah ye

hots do add threat

[ionic fern]

They just out the healer in combat.

[sick sentinel]

this seems to be the way to do it if that pack exists

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel you should play the pack in the middle

its pretty easy

[sick sentinel]

Kish'o?

[oblique garnet]

yeah the dinogirl

[sick sentinel]

ah yeah

see last week was my first week tanking

[oblique garnet]

and why are you not taking the 2 skyscreamers?

[sick sentinel]

so I'm kinda recovering from bolst

because I don't need them for %

if g2 teeming are present

[oblique garnet]

You can do something like this

you get the % without having to kill the pack before volkaal and you dont really have to go left

[sick sentinel]

if g27 isnt there

you gotta go left

[oblique garnet]

nope

not with that

oh wait nvm

[sick sentinel]

96.20

though

you can grab the 2 skyscreamers

and the 2 at the top of the stairs after priestess

honestly you could probably pull those with the trash

[oblique garnet]

even if you dont g27 is not there you can take the stealthers on top of the stairs

and get %

[sick sentinel]

i lik e pulling these two instead

not sure if there's a huge time difference

but as long as you keep the augur interrupted you can pull it with the big trash group in the middle

[oblique garnet]

theres concessor

[oblique garnet]

that cant get one cast off

[sick sentinel]

ah

ye

tru

just focus confessor

bwomsandi's mandle is :XXXXX

the route I posted works regardless

doesnt matter which group is up

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

so it's probably the safest way

but probably not the fastest

and speed is important

idk

it's hard to tell if the pack is there or if it isn't from the start

it's not like underrot where u can just look really quick

so the most efficient way is to always assume that G27 will be there

if it's not, do the 29-less route

if it is, you can skip screamers and extra trash after priestess

[oblique garnet]

idk

the skyscreamers are arguably the easiest trash

of the place

[sick sentinel]

but is it fast

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

this is what concerns me

but if it's faster to do that than to do g27 then ye it makes sense

[oblique garnet]

Well if g27 is there and you dont have a rogue

You cant skip it

[sick sentinel]

if youre skipping g27 you're skipping everything to volkaal

[oblique garnet]

Ive never seen it work in a pug

[sick sentinel]

bc there's no reason not to

honestly

[oblique garnet]

All in all this week is ezclaps

[sick sentinel]

i don't see a benefit to skipping g27

cus you'll still want 2 and 1

102.95%

[oblique garnet]

Keep in mind

That theres 2 confessors on left side

[sick sentinel]

that is pretty aids

[oblique garnet]

Exactly

[sick sentinel]

maybe shroud past to volkaal

and then kill the volkaal pack on the way out

[oblique garnet]

Cant

[sick sentinel]

i meant past 27

volkaal isn't on that side of the instance silly ;p

[oblique garnet]

You wanna shroud past the pack before volkaal?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[oblique garnet]

Cant

[sick sentinel]

if 27 is there

[oblique garnet]

Theres shieldbearer

They have eye

[sick sentinel]

is that teeming-exclusive

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

ok dope

my plan was to kill it after the boss fight

but you can just do it before

that works too

doesn't change anything

[oblique garnet]

Ok so if youre killing pack before volkaal

You can skip alot

[sick sentinel]

ye

you can grab the stalker after shieldbearer

and then you don't rly have to do any trash on that bridge at all

nor do you have to pull the extra 2 after preistess

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

Idk much about atal routes tbh

Its probably my least run dungeons

I never get any atal keys

[sick sentinel]

it's like

the only dungeon I know.

and I'm really just being too spooked to try other keys

[dire wyvern]

the way it does the random teeming spawns is mega fucked tho

so annoying

[oblique garnet]

Try freehold

I really like freehold

[sick sentinel]

I know you do, 30k dps :p

I did an 11 atal last week

I probably don't need another one if I'm jsut going for tank IO

[oblique garnet]

Im 150 runs into freehold and still no mount

[sick sentinel]

there's a +6

I coudl join

[oblique garnet]

Do it

[sick sentinel]

joined a 7

[oblique garnet]

Theres no bad way to practice it

[sick sentinel]

or, applied

and we have a rogue

i wanna skip all the trash to first boss

because that's cool

tbh

teeming messes everything up for me

[oblique garnet]

I like teeming

Free padding

[sick sentinel]

I want to do the dungeons well

21.04% haste
2.88% / 1.44% vers

or

17.19% haste
4.76% / 2.38% vers

my gut is telling em to go for 21.04% haste

[cosmic cargo]

same ilvl?

[sick sentinel]

nah

385 vers/mast vs 375 haste/mast

scared to drop all that haste

[cosmic cargo]

i'd vote ilvl

defensively at least

[sick sentinel]

my 2 highest ilvl rings put me at

16 crit, 14 haste, 4.2/2.1 vers, 32 mast

12029 stam

ah ye

I gain over 100 stam just with these rings

it's worth

[cosmic cargo]

it's not like swapping some haste for versa is a big deal

[sick sentinel]

almost 200 stam tbh

I'm a recovering fury addict, you see

alright @oblique garnet

walk me through this

should I skip trash to first boss

seems like a very seemsgood plan

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

dope

[oblique garnet]

Freehold is pretty good dungeon to just winging it

[ionic fern]

I feel like they called it "FREEhold" for a reason.

[oblique garnet]

Its not as free this week tho

Eudora can tear you a new one

[ionic fern]

Mostly tears the DPS'ers a new one.

😦

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[ionic fern]

What's the event tho?

[oblique garnet]

The dog

[zinc mauve]

bark bark

[sick sentinel]

i do not understand the second part of the fight

uh

the scond

i cant think and key at the same time

[ionic fern]

What fight?

[oblique garnet]

?¿

@sick sentinel ? Im confused

[sick sentinel]

like i said

can't talk and key at the same time

so I said literally nothing on accident haha

I meant to say I do not understand the second boss fo freehold

i almost 3chested the 7

[oblique garnet]

What do you not understand about the 2nd boss

[sick sentinel]

grapeshot tbh

[oblique garnet]

Its a cone

[sick sentinel]

I really don't understand freehold

[oblique garnet]

That will hurt you

[sick sentinel]

wow thanks : )))))

you're real sassy today

[oblique garnet]

Idk how to explain it

Basically it will shoot at 90 degree angle

[sick sentinel]

idk how to dodge it is all

do I outrange it?

[oblique garnet]

No

You move behind the boss

[sick sentinel]

ah

yeah

see that's what I figured

but then I was like "I can leap, how does everyone else do it"

[oblique garnet]

Positioning themselves properly before

[dire wyvern]

tank in the middle of the square so it minimises distance to each corner

[sick sentinel]

gotcha

I don't understand trash either tbh

I did a rly stupid pull

and grabbed like 20 mobs right after the bridge

the rogue sapped something so I think I was supposed to like not pull it

but then I did anyway

[ionic fern]

You usually do a hard right after the bridge

[sick sentinel]

😰

[oblique garnet]

Depends

[ionic fern]

Jeah, that's why i said "usually".

[sick sentinel]

we didnt even get enough % without clearing every single trash mob before the last boss

[oblique garnet]

You couldve pulled more

[sick sentinel]

wow : )))

[dire wyvern]

When we do freehold we dont do the event until the end

cuz then every pack has an extra 1-2 mobs

[sick sentinel]

I went 1-3-2-4

[dire wyvern]

for the count

[sick sentinel]

I don't know what the event is

late

[dire wyvern]

usually we do 1 - 3/4 - 2

[sick sentinel]

I feel like you misunderstand

I don't know what freehold even is

[dire wyvern]

lol

[sick sentinel]

I think I've done it twice in my entire life

[oblique garnet]

The event is the doggo

[sick sentinel]

the what

yeah idk

[oblique garnet]

Dog

[sick sentinel]

the rogue did all that shit

yes

I know what a dog is

I don't know what the dog does

[oblique garnet]

Yeah so basically you dont finish up the dog till you have gotten bl back up after first

[sick sentinel]

I know nothing about freehold

[oblique garnet]

Ok so theres event that changes weekly in freehold sometimes it involves killing mobs sometimes you have to drink and then theres the god damn dog depending on the event it removes one boss and also certain trashes

On teeming weeks especially you want to avoid doing the event early

[dire wyvern]

No doesnt matter about bloodlust

[oblique garnet]

Assuming you do the rogue skip

[dire wyvern]

you want to do all the trash between boss 2 and 3 without doing the event

makes getting count a lot easier

[oblique garnet]

You are wasting time if youre not doing the event when bl is coming up

[dire wyvern]

but you still want lust for 2nd

[oblique garnet]

You can make the count easily

[dire wyvern]

yes thats why you do 3rd and 4th boss first

[oblique garnet]

No

[dire wyvern]

what do you mean no? 😂

[oblique garnet]

If you clear to 3rd boss you will either bl it because by the time you get it out its off cd

[dire wyvern]

yeh it would be something like

[oblique garnet]

And by that time you will have more than enough count so youre sitting on bl

Theres no need to bl sharkboss anymore

[dire wyvern]

shroud to first, kill pack then boss, clear all to 3rd boss and lust shark, clear to get % and kill 4th boss, do event and hero 2nd

BL doesnt matter for shark or 4th boss

but you gotta spend it somewhere

you could hero a double trash pack with 10+ mobs

[oblique garnet]

But youre normally pulling double packs especially this week

[sick sentinel]

oo

are we supposed to lust shark?

[dire wyvern]

doesnt matter if you do or dont

[oblique garnet]

You can

[sick sentinel]

I was saving it for 2nd boss

[oblique garnet]

Its not needed anymore tho

[dire wyvern]

2nd lust should be saving you the most time

[sick sentinel]

1L - 3 - 2L - 4

[dire wyvern]

I would do 1L - 3L (or trash L) - 4 - event - 2L

wasting a hero otherwise

[oblique garnet]

Lust 1st 2nd and 4th

[sick sentinel]

the group I was with did 1L - 3L - 2 - 4 (lust wasn't up yet)

[dire wyvern]

yeh i mean on a low key you are probably only gonna use 2 lusts

[oblique garnet]

You can clear adds during the event in freehold

So youre not wasting time

The pig event

Etc

[dire wyvern]

yah

is the barrel guy the helper this week?

[oblique garnet]

No

[sick sentinel]

jolly

[oblique garnet]

Its the sword one

[dire wyvern]

kk

[oblique garnet]

The most useless helper

[dire wyvern]

so no chain pulling off 2nd

[oblique garnet]

Like what does the sword mans even do

The same barrels as eudora does?

Except eudora actually stuns

But what does he do to help us

[sick sentinel]

idk

I'm prolly gonna sleep soon after ignoring possible heart attack stuff

might do more freehold tomorrow

dunno

freehold >10 seems like cancer to me

just bc I have no idea what I can pull before everything goes to shit

because I don't know what anything does B )

[small tendon]

Method Dungeon tool helps a lot to give you some check point

And all abilities from mobs

[sick sentinel]

Iunderstand why u wait to do 2 now

joining the crew makes certain mobs go away

[dire wyvern]

yup

doing 5/6 mob packs rather than 4 mob packs is very efficient

[sick sentinel]

holy fuck

harlan sweete is a human

i thought he was a goblin

god his model is disgusting

he's all neck

do you usually grab these packs?

[oblique garnet]

Mo

No

Only the immediate pack before boss

That you need to kill

[dire wyvern]

Yeh so you can choose between the two packs either at the front of the boss room or down the stairs at the back

usually take whichever one has no infested

[oblique garnet]

^

[dire wyvern]

then its the dude on the bridge alone

then we would usually take a hard right after the bridge and kill 2nd -> 3rd trash packs

[sick sentinel]

Yeh so you can choose between the two packs either at the front of the boss room or down the stairs at the back confused

[dire wyvern]

sec let me get a map

[oblique garnet]

Theres 2 packs

That spawn the first boss

One is down the stairs

Other is up

You take the one that is not infested

[dire wyvern]

fak ill do it in different colour

[sick sentinel]

ooo

i generally do the one with 4

OH

i understand

never mind

[sick sentinel]

so when you take a hard right

is it like

a hard ahrd right

like

[dire wyvern]

behind the house

[sick sentinel]

like this hard

or this hard

that's way too hard

also

do u even get the pack there

or no

[sick sentinel]

https://i.imgur.com/Gq8myF0.png

[dire wyvern]

you can run past the pack infront of the house without CC but doing any kind of hard CC makes it easier

[sick sentinel]

then these boys right

cus what I have rn with those

[dire wyvern]

sap trap etc

[sick sentinel]

I have 100%

[dire wyvern]

no

dont do any of those

only the 2 at the front maybe

[sick sentinel]

88%

[sick sentinel]

i just wanna say

thats a rly clean curve

[dire wyvern]

changed mouse to 400 dpi 😛

[sick sentinel]

gj on drawing that

so

in eseence

literally dont do FH without a rogue

got it

it is very much possible to do it without a rogue

[amber siren]

possible as a death pull

[sick sentinel]

sounds not fun

to be honest

[dire wyvern]

you can do it with rogue

but ofc you wont be doing favourable packs

[sick sentinel]

but it is way less fun

[dire wyvern]

and instead doing worse ones

[sick sentinel]

i wish kage were na

I wish you were EU :<

buy me EU wow and i would

; ^;

then you will still have to pay a sub in EU money

na

i wouldnt

I could buy it with us i think

I thought you were going to say wowtokens lol

[dire wyvern]

@sick sentinel https://raider.io/news/9-the-weekly-route-tyrannical-teeming-volcanic-infested#freehold

check rooooutes on there

[sick sentinel]

but yeah, EU wowtoken is almost double the gold of US wowtoken

sell keys

[ionic fern]

How much is EU wow token right now?

[dire wyvern]

usually gives a good idea of routes on the expert maps, not always amazing tho

[ionic fern]

I gotta buy me one for the gold

[sick sentinel]

amazing tbh

so

do u pull the pack

whiel you're in shroud??

180k

na is 120k

youre fake news

last time I checked it was 100k vs 200k

[dire wyvern]

Dont know how the percentages/spawns look on this week's freehold but i would personally make a route without pulling anything at the start most likely

[sick sentinel]

teeming makes you so you have to do a lot more

so yeah,

this guy skips the giants

so he has to do that pull

I don't know how he skips all 4 giants and still does sharkboss without pulling the ones at the gate, haven't done it before

[dire wyvern]

nah he skips A LOT of trash between 2nd and 3rd

[sick sentinel]

when none of them are infested, I pull 3 giants and do them while we start the pig

[dire wyvern]

barely takes any side packs

[sick sentinel]

dratnos is a god tbh

[dire wyvern]

on the expert route at least

[sick sentinel]

dratnos is like

sickeningly good

I guess giants are just bad for bdks

yeah that's what we said weep

[dire wyvern]

👍

[sick sentinel]

i thought u just waited to get the keys

[dire wyvern]

either or

whatever is quickest

[sick sentinel]

idk

these feel like

at least 2k+ level strats

and I reaaaally wanna try em

but I don't know anyone 2k+ level

[dire wyvern]

yeh my group is 2100

[sick sentinel]

I'm 1k

: X

[oblique garnet]

I would be 2.9k but my team is holding me pack :^)

[sick sentinel]

dps seems like a much less stressful job

but prot just seems much more rewarding

even if I don't like playing prot too much

[dire wyvern]

for sure dps is easier

[ionic fern]

I only recently got to 1.4k with pugs. 😢

[sick sentinel]

ive only done 4 dungeons

as tank

too busy being scared

[dire wyvern]

You can learn most of the stuff from playing DPS

[oblique garnet]

Dont be scared

[sick sentinel]

nah

[oblique garnet]

How badly can it go

[sick sentinel]

I have to do it as tank

if I do it as dps I tunnel like a motherfucker

[dire wyvern]

i only played DPS until ~1.1k score right at the start of the xpac

then i jumped into tank because i was DK

at like +13 level

well learn to not tunnel as dps then go to tank maybe if you want easier transition

[sick sentinel]

I didn't say it had to be easier ;p

that's why I'm talking about the dungeons

[oblique garnet]

Dont worry about it

[sick sentinel]

if I can get a feel for them statistically I can try that out and then do them

[oblique garnet]

Just jump straight into the deep end

[sick sentinel]

I can facetank every +7 on the planet

[dire wyvern]

yeh knowing the route is half the battle

[oblique garnet]

Thats a good way to learn

[sick sentinel]

like

i could probably 2chest shrine +7

and i have done shrine once

https://i.imgur.com/dYR9ORJ.png

** twice

[dire wyvern]

like i said, i never tanked anything before like +13

i had all the experience playing dps

[oblique garnet]

Youre being afraid for no reason weep

[sick sentinel]

https://i.imgur.com/tHy0dj4.png guess who tbh

also

I'm afraid of gutting someone's fuckin key

[summer kestrel]

It is not that hard mate

The hard part is knowing the dungeon and the pulla

[oblique garnet]

You win some you lose some its the way of life

[sick sentinel]

im gonna try a 13 kr

[summer kestrel]

And you get to know that as every spec

[oblique garnet]

Well

[summer kestrel]

Yeah well that one is hard

[oblique garnet]

Kings rest

Is aids

[sick sentinel]

i almost timed a 14 last week

almost timed meaning like 10min off

but blame talic

[oblique garnet]

Yeah and i almost timed 20

[summer kestrel]

10 min is not almost lol

[oblique garnet]

Its a shit dungeon and should be deleted

[sick sentinel]

it's talic's fault

i took 2.3mil dmg from spectral bolt

[oblique garnet]

Youre actually gonna try kings rest

On a teeming week?

I guess its not that bad since its not fortified

[dire wyvern]

lol

[oblique garnet]

Yeah jump off into the deep end not straight off the cliff

[dire wyvern]

just make sure you have shroud for the brute + 4 dudes pack after 2nd boss

and maybe CC one beserker on the brute + 2x beserker pack

[sick sentinel]

this is actually disgusting

100%

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[dire wyvern]

yeh thats the one

[oblique garnet]

Good luck

[sick sentinel]

absolutely disgusting

[dire wyvern]

if you cant shroud it, take it back and play it in the boss room maybe

or throw 1/2 hard CCs on the dudes

[oblique garnet]

Or you know

Just avoid the dungeon

[dire wyvern]

hahaha

[oblique garnet]

I hate that place so much

[dire wyvern]

the correct manoeuvre

honestly dont mind it except for the zerk dot

[sick sentinel]

https://i.imgur.com/SQdS2K5.png

[dire wyvern]

literally retarded

[sick sentinel]

you can skip this whole pack

but the pat on the bridge

aids

[oblique garnet]

I have some horrible memories of trying to pug 15+ KR on tyrannical

Turned into a 10 real quick

[dire wyvern]

😂

rather tyr than fort tho

[sick sentinel]

its ok dw

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah 100%

[sick sentinel]

rerolling frost mage

[dire wyvern]

not many better weeks than this one for KR tbh

[sick sentinel]

tanks are 2 strong for me

[dire wyvern]

tyr raging volc probably

[oblique garnet]

The first boss is easier now

Not raging

[dire wyvern]

or tyr burst skittish

yeh raging zul monkaS

[oblique garnet]

Raging spectral bolt

270k

[dire wyvern]

tyr bursting skittish and this week are the easiest for KR

[sick sentinel]

I mean

do I really neeed to do keys

haHAA

[oblique garnet]

Keys are the only fun things to do in wow atm

[sick sentinel]

if it were only atal and underrot

like there were only those 2 dungeons

I'd like keys more

[oblique garnet]

Wdym

Freehold is nice

[sick sentinel]

fuck freehold

[dire wyvern]

Tol dagor

is amazing now

[sick sentinel]

fuck tol dagor

i miss legion

[dire wyvern]

big boi cannons

[sick sentinel]

I honestly don't know why I don't want to dps my way to high io

I kinda just don't want to be fury anymore

[dire wyvern]

I disliked shrine but i played it like 5 times this week at 18/19 so im more used to it now

[sick sentinel]

not bc I don't enjoy it, but bc I just rly don't like #fury

idk.

I think this next coming tier might be my last :p

[dire wyvern]

Temple is fine except first boss now that they changed the last boss making it not tight

just waiting for them to fix cyclone strike tbh

from what my idea of reaping is going to be, should be a lot more fun than infested

[sick sentinel]

temple spooks me

[dire wyvern]

will hopefully open up the meta cuz you dont need as much hard CC and allows for more dps classes to be viable

[sick sentinel]

hey sniffle

do people play outlaw in m+

[vocal nimbus]

Outlaw is very rng dependant

[dire wyvern]

Generally not but its not awful

our rogue plays it every now and then

[sick sentinel]

I mean

sin is just so SLOW

but I wanna have utility and push high keys

[vocal nimbus]

Play dh, there are only 253859062 of them

[dire wyvern]

If i was rogue i would probs end up playing Sub because its most fun imo but i would be comfortable on all specs

[sick sentinel]

dh is just better warrior

trying to get away from warrior

[dire wyvern]

yeh its very comparable damage wise to fury but generally worse utility

[sick sentinel]

im literally ready for a +22 right now

[dire wyvern]

yeh i remember my rogue saying garrote was like 40% of his overall damage or something along those lines

just like thunder clap 😂

[oblique garnet]

You know the rp that the adds have in tol dagor before 2nd boss

[sick sentinel]

garrote is a fuckton of dmg

[dire wyvern]

not sure what you mean late

[sick sentinel]

if garrote isn't the top hitter

your asa rogue is playing wrong or has 3x sb

[oblique garnet]

Theres the striker and seaspeakers fighting the warden

[dire wyvern]

oh yeh you mean that

[oblique garnet]

You can glitch them if you just taunt the warden and go los

As long as you dont interrupt or silence the seaspeakers they will continue to dps down the warden even if you attack them

[dire wyvern]

yeh the warden has really high aggro on them

[sick sentinel]

hey snif do you know who the highest io outlaw is

[oblique garnet]

They wont attack you until the warden either dies or you taunt or interrupt the adds

[dire wyvern]

thats why if you want to move the pack from an infested guy you gotta taunt the warden away

no idea weep

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but that makes them adds so much easier to deal with

They will focus the warden so you can just kill them

Instead of worrying about interrupting etc

[dire wyvern]

not last week tho with bolstering 😄

[oblique garnet]

Actually yes

They dont bolster the warden

[dire wyvern]

maybe still easier to just have them with the +20% tho

ah you mean kill them and warden last

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[dire wyvern]

hmm

[oblique garnet]

Which you can do

[dire wyvern]

tough with the lockdowns tho

[oblique garnet]

Not really

The lockdown is easy to dodge

[dire wyvern]

dunno if it will be faster than just interrupt the shield tho tbh

unless you have an MD or a few dispellers

[oblique garnet]

The speed doesnt really change

Youre cleaving the adds down

Just taking less damage overall

Except the warden dies faster

But tbf

[sick sentinel]

@dire wyvern seems to be Kinbote

at world 14 rogue

[oblique garnet]

Its one of those things that goes against the very core of most m+ players

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/thrall/Kinbote#season=season-bfa-1

[oblique garnet]

Not interrupting a cast

[dire wyvern]

😂

[sick sentinel]

i know 2 warriors who are very good at not interrupting casts

their names rhythm with leos and balic

[oblique garnet]

Shots fired

[sick sentinel]

their favorite spell to not interrupt is spectral bolt

[dire wyvern]

just reflect 4Head

[sick sentinel]

can only reflect once

every 24s

[dire wyvern]

just reflect more dude

god

[sick sentinel]

https://i.imgur.com/mAv2Cx5.png

🦀 outlaw 🦀 is 🦀 viable 🦀

my alt doesnt have to be sin thank god

[dire wyvern]

yeh all 3 specs are more than fine

[sick sentinel]

fucking

nah

he plays all 3 specs

[oblique garnet]

Should i just reroll into dps

[sick sentinel]

all of his best runs are as sin

[oblique garnet]

Yikes

[prisma viper]

In Temple of Sethralis, on the bridge before last boss, there are 2 "yellow" Heart Guardians, that sometimes gets pulled, and sometimes not. Anyone can enlighten me on what pulls them? I pull the other mobs far away to ensure they dont get any cleave damage etc

[ionic fern]

o.o A group specifically looking for a warrior.

That's rare.

[sick sentinel]

It's freehold tbh

Everyone should be looking for one

[ionic fern]

Most people are slaves to influencers..so if Sco or any other person says that Warriors are trash for m+ then most go with the flow.

[sick sentinel]

Fair

[modern brook]

happy newyear all

@prisma viper IDK if it changed w/ the 8.1 update, but its just proximity

ie: If you pull non-yellows away from the HG, the HG shouldnt pull

@oblique garnet you're a prot warrior

you are DPS

[dire wyvern]

optimal play is to run past them with shroud/invis and then pull them in last boss phase with the haste buff @prisma viper

dont know about aggroing the yellows because that skip is always played

[jagged bay]

thx u too bullfango!

[strong shoal]

anyone have problems with kui nameplates ? cant make it work , was good like 2h ago o.O

[median wigeon]

Whats going wrong with them ?

[strong shoal]

they dont show me anything , only the color of the health .Cant see buffs/debuff , nor castbars and everything is enable {'_'}

[modern brook]

Did u press CTRL N yet

[strong shoal]

tryed everything i found on inet , even remove and instal the addon again

swaped to elvui nameplates and they are fine but when i go back to kui its the same

[median wigeon]

Did you update your addons ? Kui was working without 8.1 update but iirc the update mentioned resetting saved values

[strong shoal]

yea everything is updated , atm i have no idea what to do , gues ill keep trying and stick to elvui nameplates till i fix it

but its strange cuz kui was working fine till like 2 hours ago

and i didnt change/instal anything else

[tired forge]

There's a check box

To whitelist self buffs

Check that and try

[strong shoal]

same shit , ah fuck it gona figure it when i get back from work , thx for help

[slim pier]

HEy

Kinda want to try prot but almost every azerite armor I can use for prot has Iron Fortress

[median wigeon]

dont need all the best traits to play prot

IF aint bad and you can still pump w/o DC/BOM

[slim pier]

Oh looks like I have DC/IF and BFI

[oblique garnet]

You have good traits

[slim pier]

now to learn

I have damage trinkets though

[modern brook]

Defensive trinkets have sucked since legion

Ur golden

Just block with the shield, and yell at ppl

[slim pier]

lmao

is mastery good for protection?

[modern brook]

@strong shoal I would suggest looking outside the addon*

Mastery is good any time you'd be taking blockable damage

[slim pier]

I can use the new mastery trinket from Tortollan Seekers and Gleaming eye

[modern brook]

Ilvl > everything

then Haste>crit=>mastery=>verse

[keen galleon]

Hey guys, question. Paladins have a trait very similar to BOM but it's a very unremarkable trait, despite lining up with seraphim in a way similar to avatar lining up with demo shout. What makes BOM so good for us?

Is it just the higher uptime?

[median wigeon]

those are both great trinkets and have offensive & defensive value

[modern brook]

BoM gives a fuck ton of mastery

[slim pier]

BoM?

[modern brook]

Bastion of Might

[keen galleon]

Yeah, like I said. Paladins have literally the exact same trait, for avenging wrath.

And it sims terribly.

[median wigeon]

BOM prolly sims poorly as well if we could sim

[slim pier]

Isn't Bastion of Might not good?

[modern brook]

Paladins dont have 22k/target AoE Crits

[median wigeon]

but its for smashing huge ass packs

[keen galleon]

Yeah they do? My paladin running seraphim almost keeps up with my warrior on huge packs

xORxORx answered my question I think lol

[oblique garnet]

@slim pier bastion of might is really good and so is the tortollan mastery trinket

[drowsy relic]

100% BOM is massive especially if youre lusting

[slim pier]

okay thanks

[drowsy relic]

lusting and popping cds*

[oblique garnet]

even if youre not lusting its still gucci

[drowsy relic]

yeah

[oblique garnet]

especially if you macro it with the tortollan trinket

[modern brook]

Pressing avatar is p good

[oblique garnet]

basically 1k or 1.5k mastery if you have 2x BoM everytime you use avatar

[slim pier]

protection warrior is pretty good

Wow is pretty good

[keen galleon]

What's the actual name of the tortollan trinket?

[slim pier]

wait we're getting ahead of ourselves now

Ritual Feather of Unng AK

[slim pier]

lmao M+ meme

[keen galleon]

That is a short fucking cd.

[oblique garnet]

xD

[slim pier]

and you got it titanforged

I got 2 of these in total and none of them forged

[drowsy relic]

oh wow 1 min cd trinket is amazing with AM

[oblique garnet]

yeah

allthough sometimes avatar comes off cd before it

[keen galleon]

How on earth are you guys getting these? I haven't seen a tortollan trinket reward yet in 8.1

[oblique garnet]

sometimes i mean most of the times

on the first week of 8.1 i got lucky XD

[keen galleon]

Is there some other way to get it or is it a na/EU thing?

[ivory spoke]

@keen galleon is a naga

[slim pier]

Are you NA?

Zaeron

[oblique garnet]

Eu

[keen galleon]

I'm NA

[slim pier]

That explains it

I"m EU

[keen galleon]

Big oof.

[slim pier]

lmao

I can basically get 3x MAStion of Might

Bastion

but I need other traits

[oblique garnet]

You want 2x 1 Dc atm

This is strictly offensive tho

not the best single target defense

[keen galleon]

Next tier 3x BOM is possible

Tho not if you plan to use the engineering helm

[oblique garnet]

Dont use the engineering helm

youre essentially losing one prot specific trait

which is not worth

[keen galleon]

I mean 2 of the 3 raid helms are terrible

[slim pier]

What's good for M+?

[keen galleon]

And spark capacitor is a better defensive trait than most prot traits

[oblique garnet]

Theres 2x the main trait rings in next tier

[slim pier]

defense

[keen galleon]

And it sims decently

[astral crystal]

just farm residuum for a month and buy a dungeon specific helm goyim :^)

[keen galleon]

You understand that the engineering helm gets another ring too right?

[astral crystal]

prot sims monkaS

[keen galleon]

It has deafening crash on it

[oblique garnet]

Yes

You do realize that you get deafening crash on almost every piece of gear now

[slim pier]

I have like 223 residuum

[drowsy relic]

DONT SPEND YOUR RESIDIUM

LOL

[slim pier]

I won't

I know about that

[drowsy relic]

haha allg

[median wigeon]

i gave up eng for the alch trinket, really digging it tbh

[slim pier]

eng?

wait I can make the alch trinket

[oblique garnet]

engineering

yeah

its really good

[keen galleon]

I swear, a week ago this discord was saying the alchemist trinket is garbage compared to raid options

[astral crystal]

this discord changes opinions pretty frequently

[median wigeon]

we dont have sims, also a lot of us only care about doing damage this late into the tier so you'll see conflicting information

[slim pier]

I need a bit of Sanguicell for the 385 trinket

is it worth it?

[oblique garnet]

sure

remember to scrap the previous alchemy trinkets so you get your expulsoms back

[slim pier]

What about my Sanguicells 😦

[modern brook]

80% of prot is feelcraft

10% is listening to Sense

10% is talking about things that isnt prot

[keen galleon]

Shhhh don't call it feelycraft here I got yelled at for like an hour

[oblique garnet]

@slim pier Also you get sanguicells back forgot to type it

[keen galleon]

About how we only make data driven decisions

[oblique garnet]

We did

We tested the alchemy trinket and got a convincing evidence that its 1ppm

[slim pier]

I still need 49 Sanguicells

[modern brook]

I have more sanguicell than gold

[slim pier]

You get 50 from 1 mythic boss right?

[keen galleon]

Also I thought you got the cores/sanguicell back, NOT the expulsom?

[slim pier]

I don't do a lot of raids

[modern brook]

U get expulsom unless they changed it

[slim pier]

YOu get explusoms, Cores and SAnguicells

I just got the expulsoms back

[astral crystal]

20 sanguicell per mythic boss

[keen galleon]

Fair enough.

[modern brook]

I feel like thats true because cleaver just got it

:^)

[slim pier]

10 per herpic?

heroic*

[astral crystal]

not sure, havent done heroic since like the second month of the raid

i know normal is 1

[modern brook]

lol 1

[oblique garnet]

1 Nm 10 HC 20 M

[slim pier]

Okay gotcha

What's 1ppm?

[oblique garnet]

Weekly hc is pretty fast

[modern brook]

proc per min

[oblique garnet]

Proc per minute

[slim pier]

okay

[modern brook]

its also an effort reporting tool

[slim pier]

is that good?

[modern brook]

but context

[oblique garnet]

Yeah it is

[modern brook]

It means you can expect to have the buff ~once a minute

IDK what the buff does

but you can use that to estimate uptime

[oblique garnet]

1.2k str

[slim pier]

gives u 12k str

1.2k*

[modern brook]

for how long

[slim pier]

15 secs

afaik

[modern brook]

so its roughly 25% uptime

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[modern brook]

ie: you can consider it roughly 300 Str

Thats how i feel

[slim pier]

Which dungeons should I do for the best 1H and shield

[modern brook]

spam atal

[median wigeon]

the only 1h you dont want is from WCM

[modern brook]

Im p sure Atal has non-raid BIS in like 4 slots

[slim pier]

lol that's such a small axe

[median wigeon]

yeah atal is easy and gives you a huge bang for your buck on loot

[slim pier]

okay

[ionic fern]

Archive(2nd)/Gutripper/Resounding protection on a 375 chest vs a 390 Bloodsport/Azerite Veins(2nd)/Bury the hatchet..
So i guess the real question is..how much is a 2nd Archive worth?

More so in m+ than raiding.

[final mist]

15 ilevels is a lot

[oblique garnet]

not worth

15 ilvls

[final mist]

I'd go with the 390.

[ionic fern]

Aight, thanks. Guess i'm running double Azerite Veins.

😍

Would it also be worth to run the 390 in raiding scenario? from DPS perspective

[modern brook]

I mean

2nd archive just gives more str

390 has more STR

[modern brook]

@oblique garnet

Least favorite dungeons to tank and why

[lament horizon]

So I play most other tanks, primarily monk and pally and currently leveling prot warrior. How does it feel in m+ after the changes? Is it competitive or still behind other classes?

[daring marlin]

viable

[short vale]

Somewhat new prot-warr here, how bad is Callous Reprisal for m+? Should I just run Blightborne Infusion instead?

[modern brook]

viable

Assuming its CR / BBI on the same peice i say just go bbi

none of our class specific traits are bad

but CR makes me what to CRy

[short vale]

Hehe I see what you did there..

thanks

[modern brook]

THe situations it shines are the ones where you really cant afford to dump rage outside of mitigation

at least thats my opinion

[oblique garnet]

@modern brook least favorite is kings rest but exluding that id say either ml or atal on tyrannical

[modern brook]

KR, ML, Shrine are imo the worst ones, affixes not withstanding

KR room after first and hallway to 3rd are just so hard to tank

ML u have to spellreflect every pack

Shrine idt any mobs dont cast sometihng

maybe temple is up there becuase honestly just fuck temple

[oblique garnet]

Temple is free after changes

Shrine aint too bad tbf

Its just that it allows no mistakes

[modern brook]

post-changes temple is so fucking triggering

I've ran it like 5 times

and each time we open with "lets shroud birdgE"

and every time

someone pulls on the fucking bridge

every fucking time

Interested in why Atal

[oblique garnet]

Yazma

Its the longest fucking 3 minutes of your life

Even with bl

You hit one spider and poof 80% health gone

But like on 10s idm everything is pretty easy

@modern brook why do you ask

[merry bane]

Those fucking spiders on yazma man seriously it can turn into a kite fest

[modern brook]

I just wanted someone good's opinion on shitty dungeons to run

CAuse its super hard for me to tell, since im pugging basically everything

[merry bane]

Shitty dungeons? KR and Temple. Fuck them

[modern brook]

yeah see while you're right and iagree with you

my intital reaction is to say no you're big dumb wrong

cause IDK who you are

hence tagging late

[main vault]

Imagine thinking only one person knows what they are on about 🤣

[sick sentinel]

so we run 2 temple of seth today

and this emerged out of it

[oblique garnet]

Its easy to dodge

As long as you dont have people who spaz out and move all the time

[main vault]

I need to find a set to go with Mage Tower

Cause its awesome

[valid knot]

[Rezan's Gleaming Eye] any good as prot_

?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[valid knot]

rly good?

[oblique garnet]

Tup

Yup

[valid knot]

just got a 390

from weekly

[sick sentinel]

I mean, I haven't run temple after 8.1

it was an endless loop of king's rest and manors

with the occasional shrine or freehold

[peak rampart]

Hey all

Coming back to warrior after not playing him since 2010. Thinking of rerolling his race, any suggestions for alliance? I mostly Tank dungeons, don't know enough people to run raids. But would also be doing a little WPVP as well.

[sick sentinel]

dark iron

[oblique garnet]

^

[valid knot]

what trinket list should i look at?

[oblique garnet]

Post them here people will help

[valid knot]

know it is better, just wanna see how good it is xd

[modern brook]

its good better.

[median wigeon]

@peak rampart dark iron. Self cleanse and works on necro

[valid knot]

so there is no trinket list?

[main vault]

In the pins, there is a link literally called Trinket List

just sayin

[modern brook]

there is no trinket list like what you'rea sking for

Assuming you're looking for something with bar graphs and sim numbers

and if you're not looking for bargraph and sim numbers, its in the pins / icy veins guides

390 rezan is pgood

will carry you through normal BFDA

[valid knot]

ok thanks

[peak rampart]

What if I do not have access to Dark Iron? How long does it take to get them?

[main vault]

NE is strong

probably more useful if you know how

[modern brook]

dwarf is also good

[manic sierra]

Why do people prefer Dark Iron to regular Dwarf for Alliance, anyway? In endgame situations, isn't it far more likely that you'll die to burst rather than that you'll die to healer running out of mana (10% phys. DR on timer of regular Dwarf vs 1% phys. DR constant on Dark Iron).

[main vault]

tbf none of the races make any difference survival wise

[modern brook]

DID gives STR on its cleanse = fatter avatar periods = the reason you play Prot in BFA

someone link the quote of the day

@lusty grotto

[manic sierra]

that doesn't sound true except for in M+

[modern brook]

If you're having trouble progressing in raids, you have larger problems than race choice

[plain ice]

what happened to mactier? and his damage meter screenshot?

[main vault]

Race will never ever ever be a solution to survival

Ever

[manic sierra]

that's a false dichotomy, no one is saying it's the solution to survival, we are talking about (admittedly small) optimizations

[oblique garnet]

Except when you can cleanese bleeds with racial

[main vault]

And the answer is that overall, pure survival, there is 0 difference

[modern brook]

Late knows whats up

[main vault]

The only difference is specifics, like skips, cleanse, etc

[oblique garnet]

Fuck alliance tho

[modern brook]

^

LATE KNOWS WHATS UP

[steel mauve]

Some races are better for survival than others, but its so small of a margin you may as well play what you prefer to look at

[oblique garnet]

Never gotten past the starter zone on alliance

[modern brook]

In raids, as i mentioned, your race isnt going to make a big difference

but to say race has no impact on survivability ever is just flat out wrong

DID can purge necrotic

which is abusrd

[manic sierra]

Since we're talking about racials, how often does the BE purge get used in M+ anyway?

[modern brook]

and they get a sTR boost over Dwarf

[main vault]

You can Shadowmeld it also, so whats the difference?

[modern brook]

you dont lose aggro

[main vault]

BE purge is still probably the strongest racial

[modern brook]

you get a str buff

etc

[oblique garnet]

It gets used alot

[viscid rampart]

haste mastery vers crit ?

[modern brook]

Raid or M+?

[main vault]

yes those are our 4 stats

[modern brook]

Its used less than it was as a silence but still often enough to justify its existence

[main vault]

I would severly argue that

Its still used almost on CD

[oblique garnet]

^

[modern brook]

which is longer than it was as a silence

:^)

easy argument 1-0

[main vault]

And they have catered the dungeons to it

[oblique garnet]

Wasnt the cd 2 minutes when it was silence

[main vault]

To where it is stronger as a purge than it would be as a silence

It was 1.5 then 2 yeah

[peak rampart]

So it really doesn't matter what race at all, just whatever I like..?

[main vault]

yes

literally doesnt matter

[peak rampart]

What about racial abilities? Like Gif tof Naaru, or Stoneskin?

[main vault]

dunno what else to say

[modern brook]

actual impact is minimal

[main vault]

Other than it doesnt matter

[peak rampart]

Hm odd.

OK then.

[modern brook]

take what feels good man

[manic sierra]

well he did say he wants to WPvP from time to time, but I dunno how that factors in w.r.t. racials offhand

[modern brook]

oh

[oblique garnet]

Its also been on 2.5min cd apparently aswell

[modern brook]

100% HMTauren then

[steel mauve]

Outside of a few niche situations racials rarely ever made or broke a spec

[main vault]

HMT or Human

[modern brook]

or any of the good pvp races

[cinder nova]

HMT is butts

[modern brook]

but HMT gets 4 charges