protection

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet he does not dispel sap afaik

[valid knot]

not looking to reroll, just curious

[sick sentinel]

prot is very good in m+

and good in raids

though if you're looking to clear new mythic progression raid content at maximum efficiency you might want to play brm monk

who have the best mitigation toolkit for unknown damage patterns

[woeful otter]

hmnnnn

disc of systematic regression or briny barnacle?

[sick sentinel]

same ilvl?

[woeful otter]

yus

[sick sentinel]

this week

disc

[woeful otter]

370

How should i think about them ?

I only play m+ btw

[sick sentinel]

idk

but briny spreads after you kill a target

only rly useful when you're pulling packs with infested

and you can't switch trinkets mid-key

[hollow thorn]

Disc imo

[sick sentinel]

briny just doesnt rly seem great in m+ at all

[woeful otter]

I was using them both but i got knot of ancient fury 385

figured it's worth using

[oblique garnet]

Disc and knot

[sick sentinel]

knot is very good

macro it to avatar

imo

[valid knot]

best healer for m+ as warrior?

[sick sentinel]

not dependent on tank, dependent on affix

[woeful otter]

thanks

[oblique garnet]

Druid

Or monk

[woeful otter]

lol just tried knot + avatar op dmg

[oblique garnet]

But if you bring monk you need to get cr elsewhere

[rough egret]

Boomie :)

[oblique garnet]

Boomie is always good

[rough egret]

Mine Best comp is monk, rogue, boomie, mage

[oblique garnet]

Monk, rogue dh boomie would probably be the best

[rough egret]

The mage is optional depends on affix

Helps with necrotic especialy

[sick sentinel]

monk healers have good burst and good sustain healing

I like them

[hollow thorn]

Druid and Monks are best for M+, i think Monk is better overall, but Druid has Soothe and CR if its needed for comp

[woeful otter]

how do i macro a trinket?

[sick sentinel]

/use Knot of Ancient Fury
/cast Avatar

[woeful otter]

ty

btw

demo shout usually comes off cd before avatar, should i use on cd or wait for avatar?

I usually wait

[sick sentinel]

demo gens rage and reduces dmg taken by 20%

i don't wait

[vocal nimbus]

With demo having half the cd of avatar you can always use it on cd

[woeful otter]

Wish we had a simulator like other classes

[sick sentinel]

both avatar and demo are affected by AM

[vocal nimbus]

You always have avatar for every other demo

[sick sentinel]

demo indirectly reduces the cd of avatar

[woeful otter]

like rn i got an azerite piece with +10 ilvl than my current one, but with callous reprisal/retaliatory fury vs the current brace for impact

[vocal nimbus]

The only trait worth dropping ilvl for is the first DC

[woeful otter]

yeah

btw do 2 crystalline carapace stack?

if yes, do they DR?

[sick sentinel]

barnacle sucks ass

[modern gyro]

Somebody have entire list of tank rankings?

[sick sentinel]

in m+?

in raid?

prot is arguably the #2 M+ tank

in raid, I couldn't tell you

but we're viable.

#1 for new prog content is BRM, same as Uldir

warr might be more healer mana friendly

[hollow thorn]

Overall i think Prot is 3rd best M+ tank

for some dungeons its the best, for some its the worst

Depends on if its mostly physical or magical dmg

[sick sentinel]

prot and magical dmg

monkaS

[hot locust]

spectral bolt?

[oblique garnet]

Nah spectral bolt aint nothing compared to water blast

[hot locust]

Was more just poking fun at Weeps' traumatization.

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i know

[hot locust]

:^)

[sick sentinel]

notlikethis

[sick sentinel]

D:

kings rest still my highest key

guess I'll sleep 💤

[oblique garnet]

Si sleep is good

[hot locust]

agreed

havent done that yet

[sick sentinel]

If I don't fall asleep in 20, I get back on and I do keys

[last loom]

370 shield avoidance + gem vs 375 shield same shield

what u guys think

[hot locust]

375

[last loom]

sure?

seems weird

[hot locust]

Yessir

more block value

far more important

[last loom]

avoidance and haste?

[hot locust]

I'm aware

[last loom]

https://gyazo.com/1a861f8a2253aae2915a48b708a30f59

[silk mortar]

right is prolly better

[sick sentinel]

Str and block most important

Parry and dmg mit

Can min/max secondaries on other pieces

Shield is pretty solidly choose by ilvl

[valid knot]

@hollow thorn what is the entire list according to you for m+?

[last loom]

i did 14k DPS in atal

not too bad i think

[sick sentinel]

if you timed the key and you didn't wipe the group you did fine

prot has excellent dps, but dps is secondary to staying alive

[oblique garnet]

@valid knot 1. BrM 2.DK/warrior 3. Paladin 4 Dh/druid

[cosmic cargo]

rating druid on par with dh is a huge stretch

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i just didnt want to add another number

[silk mortar]

I thought dh was good?

Darnit

[sick sentinel]

not rly

[silk mortar]

Not rly isnt a good enough answer

I need more!

[oblique garnet]

It can run away

So theres that

But umm

[silk mortar]

Silence, fear, chains,

Doesn thtat mean anything D;

;((

[oblique garnet]

Eh

[hollow thorn]

@valid knot BDK = BrM > Prot War > Prot Pala > VDH > Bear Druid

[silk mortar]

Yes!

DH not last ez

[oblique garnet]

Youre rating bdk so high idk why

[silk mortar]

Becuase brm hare annoying to heal

[oblique garnet]

Brm is better

After the nerfs to bdk its even bigger liability on higher tyrannical bosses than it was before

[hot locust]

stagger can't kill you, pretty OP :^)

[oblique garnet]

^

Overall mobility and utility brm has

[silk mortar]

Yeah but everything else can

[hollow thorn]

DK still has grip, and still really good for Fortified

I think BDK is better for Fort and BrM for Tyran, overall they are equal

Also depends on comp

[oblique garnet]

Idk

Monk can do anything dk can at this point but better except cr

[silk mortar]

Shouldnt engineering cover that

though

[oblique garnet]

Engineering cr is not good

4 second cast time

Has to be right on top of someone

Nevertheless its still cr

[cold flame]

whats cr?

[silk mortar]

Combat Ress

[cold flame]

ah

[sick sentinel]

Ok but enough of all this, it's time to share ur new years mythic chest

@sick sentinel hell yeah

just logged in

ready to be completely 100% disappointed

will it be pants ????

or bracers !

[oblique garnet]

395 sporepods with a socket

[sick sentinel]

it's boots

+105 haste + socket +21str

that's actually a pretty sizeable upgrade

Not bad

I want sporepods tho

no u dont

don't say that

So i can go triple veins

don't curse yourself

and no healer

[oblique garnet]

I dunno what i will get from the chest

But i bet its gonna be like 19 shrine key for me

[sick sentinel]

i got 12 shrine

13*

will i did a 17 AD(Fucked it up super hard), so hopefully I get a 15 key

should get a 16

Nisuo

u logged in yet?

Literally kill me

; - ;

16 ToS, so theres that

i have 380 atal

shield

i ran atal twice and it dropped wf >A<

385 TD shield

i dont deserve this shield

im gonna go do heroic mythrax

and roll on it lul

lol

[grizzled totem]

do you guys have pawn stats?

[sick sentinel]

Nope

no

we just eyeball

[grizzled totem]

k

[sick sentinel]

i mean

u could make ur own pawn string

Man i dont know if I want to roll for a 385 shoulder with dc or the only chest piece for BoM

[ancient reef]

oh 385 jes ty cache

[sick sentinel]

@grizzled totem uninstall pawn

eat shit and die

[oblique garnet]

Jes is not good

Too long cd

[sick sentinel]

how do u roll for a 385 with dc

[oblique garnet]

Vendor

[sick sentinel]

Azerite slot vendor

ah

i dont have enough residuum

i skipped a week and rolled 370 first week

epic gamer style

Taking my chances with a shoulder

2/6 have dc

i believe in you

i BELIEVE in you

YES YES YES

YOU GOT IT?

FUCK YEAH

POG CHAMP

NOW I NEED TO

[oblique garnet]

Not

Worth

[sick sentinel]

yes worth

idc about 415 next tier

i want my 385 now

instant gratification

we're american after all

[oblique garnet]

Can you sell

Those back for residuum

To the vendor?

[sick sentinel]

nah

Nope

that's why they're rng

you can scrap them though

u can scarp

[grizzled totem]

@sick sentinel Already done

[sick sentinel]

Now i wonder

Should I go double OP or lifespeed

tbh I wonder if like

u coudl just take the stat priority and make a pawnstring like

haste=6, armor=5, vers=4, mast=3, crit=2, str=1

block=99999

go double op

i'm 55 residuum away from my 1/3 rng roll @sick sentinel

nice

If I can get lucky on thrusday, imma try to roll on mother and hopefully get 2 helms

70 from double scrap

im not actually a huge fan of prot

but it's what I have

I've only ever played prot/arms or feral/feral

I've tried playing other classes and even the other specs, but nothing has stuck to me like feral/prot has

i was bdk main in ToS

I miss it

the warrior aesthetic really doesn't fit me very much

I've always found dk to suffer from the same problem paly does

They look cool at a distance, but fuck if i want to jump out of a window playing them because of how boring it is

that's fair

I like BRM too.

I'm not exactly the smartest person on the planet, so easy stuff works well for me I guess :p

I want to get in BrM, just because I can play a drunk uncle

I also have a hunter, who i just keep to look at the awesome tmog(and name) and the og spirt beasts

[open bluff]

tfw 380 rezan's in new year chest

[sick sentinel]

Nice

Give me

I only have 375

[open bluff]

now the question is whether it's worth replacing fathoms (probably not)

beats out my 370 that i was using for aoe tho

[sick sentinel]

Whats the other trinket?

[open bluff]

button

(also currently 380)

[sick sentinel]

holy shit replace it

fucking throw button out a window

[open bluff]

button's pretty good for blood/prot pal tho

is it really that shit for prot war dps?

[sick sentinel]

we outdps button

Our devaste could do more damage

and thats a fucking low bar im putting

I'm like afking in this heroic uldir pug

I cannot believe im about to do WQ for resources in broken isles

...why?

To buy tokens for the LFR

I can think of a few reasons

I'm confused

For tmog from legion lfrs

are u mog rolling in antorus

ah

which lfr

EN/NH

what is the EN set

nighthold makes me wanna puke ngl

Warplate of the obsidian aspect

trying to go for gloves/boots/back

hmm...

Welcome to blizzard only looks at human models when they design gear

hair color

not even the same 😦

my heart hit 32 woo

2x390 archive now

nice

going to try for 385 shoulders too :)

2 out of 6 chance to get the dc shoulders

pray for me!

up to you which flavour u want

i believe

feel free to pray rhetorically as well

for those not religious

🙏 for weep

mom didnt drop helm

I believe in the u that believed in me, that believed

Clap your cheeks for her

i think ppl would b mad

with 2x390 archive 390 dc

how do you even compete with that in m+

Double BoM

worst spec specific trait monkerS

(pretend it sucks in m+)

Not for damage it aint

lol

its terrible

new year, new outlook

600 str is parry

I'm running 2x390 BoM and 390 DC

for DAYS

dang

i have no bom

I'm gonna run triple 390 BoM when I have a non pug healer

dont

only for meme keys pls ;v;

And hes gonna use and impending victory

triple IV

solo freehold 17 in 2 pulls

this rly is the state of wow isn't it

I'm up at 10 am having never slept just because I want to try my hardest to literally gamble

Oh i went to sleep after 2

got my 8 hours so im good

this is my 17th hr mark i think

so i'm ok

I used to do that until i realized thats stupid

it was an accident

zekvoz could drop my disc

He could, he could

but should he?

I just hope this thrusday I am able to go with my guild to try and kill vectis and hopefully get the 385 chest

Run doublce archive until i get my 2nd BoM

he didnt

it's ok

vectis will drop azerite for sure

100% guaranteed.

might drop a 385 trinket

i have 370+s

with socket and leech(or avoid)

avoid is gud for prot ye

[astral crystal]

@sick sentinel no, i pushed early on in the expac but my group lost interest

re: do i thicc keys

[sick sentinel]

ah

i'm sorry

[astral crystal]

i just do 13-14s now since it's all these casual babies want to run

[sick sentinel]

hm

Finally

I'm trying to decide between these two

got the boots

I would choose cleaver

scket

ya

cus vers

just want people to reinforce my ego

pepehands

u lose 21 haste at most

yep

vers > mastery

can't believe i actually got an upgrade from heroic

lol

looks like fetid is the boss to roll on when we reclear

Woop woop

Gloves and boots

now the cloak and im good, never need to farm LFR again, for now

got 3v1'd by ally outside of uldir

lol

i was winning the 2v1

[merry bane]

SO I got my first BoM piece. what do you guys think of it

[sick sentinel]

it sucks in raid

[merry bane]

all my AZ pieces are 370 but this is 340

[sick sentinel]

it's pretty good in m+

ah

scrap it

garbage

[merry bane]

so even with the trait its garbage?

[sick sentinel]

ya

its too low ilvl for it to be worth replacing a 370

Its not dc, so dont replace ur higher ilvl gear for BoM

[merry bane]

it was a chest anyway lol

[sick sentinel]

literally no group has killed zul yet?

server's been up for an hour 30

[merry bane]

my shoulders are 275 with DC so not too worried

[sick sentinel]

uhhhh

[merry bane]

375 sorry

[sick sentinel]

do you have any other shoulders

[wanton trout]

So, I've been throwing together a prot set and I'm 377 and I have 15 crit 14 haste and 31 in mastery But thats with into the fray active

with out I mean

[merry bane]

wait with Fray active you have 14% haste?

ah ok I was gunna say LOL I am sitting at 16% unbuffed at 376

[wanton trout]

14 natural and it'd be more with it active

I do have a 360 rezan eye

[merry bane]

thats a damn good trinket. took me forever to get my 365

[sick sentinel]

😭

wish i could get in

try

U never know

the worst is they decline u

444 tank score btw

but ur CE right?

ya

ight

[wanton trout]

I was wondering if I just should go for the Bigger I lvl gear since I am not raiding uldir any more.. Everyone got AOTC and kind of went on hiatus

[sick sentinel]

depends on what you awnt to do

[merry bane]

did anyone notice the december 32nd?

[sick sentinel]

what

[sand egret]

welcome to WoW, Taqa

lol 😃

[merry bane]

yes in guild chat if you look back to yesterday itll show december 32nd

[wanton trout]

I don't know.. it feels like prot is not where I like it

[sick sentinel]

there are 35 other specs

don't spend time on something you don't like

trust me ><

I'm 10 classes in, still don't like anything that much

[sand egret]

well im pretty sure it aint dramatically changing

[sick sentinel]

YAAAAAAAAAY

3/3 of my lfr tmog complete

[wanton trout]

Fury is fun.. It's like angry whack a mole

[merry bane]

Just got an invite for a Temple 10

[sand egret]

sick!

[merry bane]

dotn want the headache this early on lol

[sand egret]

temple is ez now

[sick sentinel]

temple bolst is monkaSSSS

[merry bane]

groups still ant do the snake right

[wanton trout]

I don't know.. It's just I like tanking some times

[sick sentinel]

^ u know if u will beat it with the first boss

but now it's ez week

I literally don't know how to do the bosses in temple

nor the 2nd boss in freehold

[sand egret]

temple is simple with bolster

[merry bane]

It isnt bolster though 😦

[sand egret]

yeah it switched over no?

whats the affixes?

[merry bane]

Its Tyrannical Teeming VOlcanic and Infested

[sand egret]

oof, the rogues are a PiTA on teeming but the rest is free

[sick sentinel]

how does underrot change with teeming

i kinda don't want to do it

[sand egret]

but tyr will always cause headaches for the group

[merry bane]

just imagine the trash around Cragmaw ont eeming

[sand egret]

hmm depends but that first bridge platform

[sick sentinel]

Its why im saying that this week u will know if u can beat ToS if u dont wipe 2 times on the first boss

[sand egret]

and the 2nd boss room

[sick sentinel]

At least its done and over with by then

[sand egret]

yeah thats true

literally the 3rd pack/first boss

[sick sentinel]

Cause the cyclone buff will wipe on tyrn if any1 gets fucked

i decided

its bedtime

gamer time can wait

Good

[sand egret]

yeah its SO funny how people dont know how to dodge it yet

so many dps freak out, move and gib everyone lol

[merry bane]

gunna be doing a UR 7 to see how it is

apparently my key went down >.<

[sick sentinel]

I have a 13 shrine to try

My biggest thing is that I prefer passive mitigation to active mitigation

I believe prot is probably one of the harder tanks

[sand egret]

prot is the literal opposite of that

gaha

[merry bane]

pretty much

[old zephyr]

But it hits the harder as well

[sand egret]

sorry to laugh

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I don't want to bother gearing up my brm though

[sand egret]

tbh Monk would be a better fit

[sick sentinel]

She's not on my realm :/

[sand egret]

😦 yeah, I dunno. really comes down to what you enjoy, it is you behind the keyboard after all

[sick sentinel]

HoA is just turning me off

Tbh actually I might gear my monk

[sand egret]

yeah, the mechanic aint a smash hit lol but it will be changing down the road theres that

[sick sentinel]

God damnit blizzard, best weapon i get is 360 WM cleaver, haven't upgraded it for a month, so they give me a 380 version of the same thing

no stats

[sand egret]

at least ya dont have to think whether its an upgrade

[sick sentinel]

i guess so, feels like some kind of cruel joke lol

[sand egret]

welcome to the wonderful world of time gated rng! 🤣

[sick sentinel]

do you know where i find the weekly thing on horde side?

like, do 4 timewalking dungeons or do 4 mythic dungeons

[sand egret]

yeah go down to the dock/warfront area.

its not near the great seal/where your cache is

[sick sentinel]

chronicler shoopa?

[sand egret]

yeah

near the etherium peeps (tmog guys)

[sick sentinel]

okay cool thanks, i've only been horde for 3 week now, gotta get used to it

[sand egret]

that city is the worst

[sick sentinel]

Yeah ok, says the maze that is boralus

[oblique garnet]

Its really simple

[sick sentinel]

Why the fuck is the mage room and the bank on different areas

Why is the inn not near the fp

Everything is either inside a building or far apart

[oblique garnet]

Boralus?

[sick sentinel]

Yea

@sick sentinel shift+j

Quest is there

Turtle is at port

I want to burn dazaralor

[sand egret]

but they ARE all right there next to each other...

[wide girder]

Boralus > dazaralor

[warm plinth]

Honestly my complaint with Boralus is the arbitrary rested/non-rested areas. It's a city; make the whole thing rested.

[wide girder]

Its annoying

[edgy leaf]

hello folks

hows Prot Warriors nowadays ?

i mean i been playing arms / Fury since start of BFA

[unreal zealot]

Does anyone happen to know what the effect that causes shield slam to reset its cd has for spell ID? trying to make a weakaura that triggers off of that, but my combat log is telling me nothing

[wide girder]

Prots are okay

[sick sentinel]

prot is okay, more dependant on gear/group than other tanks but still fine choice

viable

@unreal zealot you can't make a WA for that

Only thing you can do is to have a think when ss comes off cd

Like a sound or something

There is no trigger

Somebody in #ui-addons-manager can help you with that

[primal crypt]

prot warriors are viable??

[unreal zealot]

Wait really? i thought it'd be something along the lines of Tactician for Arms, i could make a weakaura tracking that because it was a procc that happened, but Shield slam reset is simply not a procc u can have a trigger for?

Thats interesting

[wild fossil]

It’s the effect of shield slam that causes it to reset I think, barely getting back into prot after a year and a half

So you can’t track it, you can only track the CD

[unreal zealot]

Aww, that ruins my UI :/

lmao

[valid knot]

Any good WA for IP? Wanna see how much dmg prevent it got left

[sturdy sable]

one in the pins is pretty good

[sonic storm]

Anyone knows a guide or page that mentions tricks and short ways to complete the mythics+ faster being protect?

[daring marlin]

Damn yo

[fierce juniper]

@unreal zealot Yeah, there's no buff unfortunately. You can make a WeakAura that tracks the glow/proc effect for Shield Slam though. There's an event thrown every time that happens so you can track that.

[daring marlin]

this chat is poppin today

[glacial olive]

What rings do you guys reckon I should use out of this line-up?

16.66% haste without food and ITF

[fierce juniper]

The 390 and 395.

[glacial olive]

Thanks 😃

[outer dew]

Dont you get 20 more secondaries from the 380 socket

[sick sentinel]

I would use the 395 and the 380-socket personally

wait

[fierce juniper]

The total amount of stats from the 390 is 769 and the total from the socketed 380 is 757.

[sick sentinel]

yeah I thought I saw the wrong amount of stamina

had to click "open original"

[fierce juniper]

I mean that's the kind of thing where it's so close that it essentially doesn't matter what you pick.

[last mason]

Do you guys generally go for dmg traits or survivability

[lavish oracle]

Did an 11 Waycrest and got the boss up to 75 stacks, lol

our hunter kept trying to tell me to pull it to the fire and I was just like "But why, tho?"

[wide girder]

Lol

Non actual content

[vivid slate]

Hey question, the alchi trinket, the one with tidal stone?? Is the one that will be able to be upgraded to 415 right?

[astral crystal]

ye

[vivid slate]

Cool, thankee

[unreal zealot]

@fierce juniper Are you sure about that? i am looking through my combat log for any sort of event when the procc happens, but nothing appears

[fierce juniper]

@unreal zealot Yeah, when Shield Slam procs SPELL_ACTIVATION_OVERLAY_GLOW_SHOW is thrown. And that event carries 1 argument which is the spell ID of whatever spell had the glow activated.

So you'd have to check for that event and also check the spell ID, and then you'd be able to track procs.

[sharp lotus]

Is there a way to get MTD route strings for teeming?

[urban walrus]

https://raider.io/news/9-the-weekly-route-tyrannical-teeming-volcanic-infested

Not sure how reliable these are

But this guy does +20s

[main vault]

Not what he asked

But if you go on jdotb or shakibs stream they have their strings @sharp lotus

[final mist]

That link has strings in it, because it's a full guide Nexii.

[sick sentinel]

well

[sweet kettle]

the socket one might be better

also speed for the memes

[sick sentinel]

it's less overall stats

I mean, we told a guy to choose his 390 over his 380+s like an hour ago

[main vault]

The 390

cause more stats

[sweet kettle]

the more stats isnt always true though

[sick sentinel]

it's exactly 1k health

[main vault]

when all 3 have haste it is

[sick sentinel]

I go down to 247 from 248

I really wanna wear the 380+s one, even though I know it is worse

[main vault]

And gaining 29 haste isnt worth losing more overall stats

Most of the time more overall stats is better

[final mist]

More stats is generally always true, just because our secondaries are so close that a minor Haste gain isn't worth losing out on the total stat gain.

I can't think of a time where it wouldn't be true this expansion.

[warm plinth]

I'd mostly go for ilevel personally unless it was like a 10-15 ilevel loss for a socket and the ring had haste whereas the higher one didn't. If they both have haste, I'd go ilevel. As Marok said on the one earlier, it's pretty negligible anyway determining between 15 ilevel and a socket (on a ring of course) anyway. Go with what feels right when it's that close imo.

[main vault]

Even haste isnt as strong as it was

At 10ilvl Id still take higher if it didnt have haste

[warm plinth]

It's not, but it still offers more comfort in the rotation; that's just my personal preference.

[spice crescent]

sitting at 1300 haste, but still feels so low 😦

[zinc mauve]

ive gotten a 380 servant splitter two weeks in a row from my weekly chest

or atleast it feels like that cause i have two of the damn things in my inventory

[main vault]

@final mist @urban walrus That link is actually pretty nice

[sick sentinel]

Man, I feel AD has gone from being an extremely snorefeast dungeon to having to pay attention past 15

Well more attention than none at all

Also ive decided to go double crit trinkets. so far working out

[sick sentinel]

I don't understand why you're all saying to take the 10ilvl without socket, you're losing 10crit / 8 haste to gain 40+ of whatever his strongest simmed stat is

[main vault]

Because more stats is more important the the "right" stats

[sick sentinel]

Unless he was specifically dying to some one shot mechanic, I dont see how the extra stam would be beneficial over that amount of raw stat

[main vault]

The 10 ilvl with no socket is more stats the the socket gives

[warm plinth]

This is the prot channel. You can't sim stats anyway.

[sick sentinel]

Only if you include the stam.. how is stam valuable to him

[main vault]

754 stats for the 380 with socker

[sick sentinel]

Unless he's dying to something specifically that doesn't make any sense

[main vault]

There is an article about stam on Skyhold if you are confused

But more stats>"better" stats

[warm plinth]

I mean, that's the general consensus, but your goals matter too. If I'm at a good enough stamina point for the content I'm doing, it makes sense to go for stats over a trivial loss of stamina.

[main vault]

The idea that Stam is only good to survive one shots is just wrong

[sick sentinel]

can you link the stamina article

interested in reading it

[main vault]

https://skyhold.gg/protection/health

[uneven mason]

stam generally comes with more stats (which is generally going to be better for prot) just from the sheer fact that ALL stats increase our survivability, and their value is more or less close enough that you will rarely sacrifice ilvl for "better" selection

[main vault]

Generally speaking, the stat priority should only be followed when comparing gear of the same item level. A piece of gear with a higher item level than what you currently have should be equipped regardless of its secondary stats.

[uneven mason]

^^

Also crit is meme level good

[main vault]

In the same vein, it is also important to understand that having more stats is better than having "better" stats.

[sick sentinel]

that article is fine

[main vault]

For Protection Warriors, the value of each stat is very close together. So while Critical Strike is the worst secondary stat, is it not by any means a "bad" stat. It is still very close in value to the better stats.

[sick sentinel]

but you it doesn't mention the dps value you get from secondary stats

you cant look at it as purely ehp

because it's not

[main vault]

Neither will the "sim" you said he should follow

Since you cant sim

More stats are also generally better for dps than better stats

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't mean the damage value doesn't exist

[uneven mason]

our #1 DPS stat is strength more or less, guess where we get that 😄

[sick sentinel]

I understand your point from an EHP perspective but thats not the only factor

[main vault]

Well like I said

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason sure but not on rings

[warm plinth]

More secondaries is better for DPS, but stamina does nothing for DPS. And that article says several times "from a pure survivability standpoint". If you're surviving fine already, there's no reason to go for stamina over secondaries.

[main vault]

From a DPS perspective

[sick sentinel]

which is what he was asking about right?

[main vault]

More stats are also better than better stats

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth yeah my thoughts exactly

[main vault]

Giving up 20 stat isnt going to net you "more" dps

[warm plinth]

But using a 10 ilevel higher piece with no socket vs 10 ilevel lower with a socket is only an increase in stamina, which does nothing for DPS.

[main vault]

20 stat is within the margin of error for any "sim"

[sick sentinel]

are we bringing up ehp and sims again

[warm plinth]

So that's a moot point. At that point you're assigning arbitrary value to stamina that doesn't actually exist just because the total stat count is higher.

[main vault]

Not if you look at both sides

[sick sentinel]

all of our stats are important for different things

[main vault]

I mean you are welcome to do whatever you want gear wise

[sick sentinel]

20 stat isn't going to give you enough ehp to matter

[main vault]

But its been suggested by multiple people to uyse the same, and not the other

[warm plinth]

But the point is that we're not talking about both sides necessarily. Sure, if you were worried about survivability and DPS, you'd look at the stat total including stamina. But if you're already in a good place for survivability for the content you're doing, then it would make sense to focus on the secondaries over stamina, since you get more gain (for your situation) than going for the pure higher ilevel piece.

[sick sentinel]

well it does matter if you're trying to min max your character though right

if 20 stamina were the difference between me timing and underrot and me not timing it

i'd quit the game

[main vault]

If you were min/maxing you wouldnt be ignoring one of the sides

[sick sentinel]

and saying 'take the 10ilvl' over the socket on same ring is bad info if you leave out 'from a purely EHP perspective'

[uneven mason]

@sick sentinel ilvl is going to get you better DPS than optimizing, but if you want to optimize for DPS (equal ilvl, or rings etc) than mastery and vers tend to lead

[sick sentinel]

important to note

ring -10 ilvl +s

[warm plinth]

Exactly what Prawn said. You can't just read a guide and say "this is right" without knowing the why behind it.

[sick sentinel]

370s > 380 same ring

rings scale terribly

[warm plinth]

If you don't care about EHP because you are already geared/overgeared for the content, then it makes no sense to think about things from an EHP standpoint.

[sick sentinel]

put vers in there or haste or smth

[main vault]

No but when Sal and etc also come in here explaining the exact same thing

But I guess noone would argue with him

[uneven mason]

I argue with Sal

[warm plinth]

I'm not arguing with Sal. Sal was right. Generally, more stats is better, including stamina.

[uneven mason]

about bear memes

[sick sentinel]

str is also a survivability stat

as well as a dps stat

str -> ap -> IP increase

but we're talking about rings specifically since that was the question @sick sentinel

[warm plinth]

But in the situation that I'm talking about and that Prawn is talking about, that is not correct. If you don't need more EHP, then the stamina gain becomes irrelevant.

[sick sentinel]

shrug

[uneven mason]

str also gives parry (mindblown)

[sick sentinel]

use the 370s

and put a gem in

10 ilvl is like

5 haste

ah

no

I take it back

[uneven mason]

yeah sockets are pretty beefy for rings.

[sick sentinel]

I forgot rings had stamina

[main vault]

Its basically zero difference

Its like 20 total stat

[sick sentinel]

prefer item level for rings for survivability

[distant gyro]

Would Blockades be better than a 370 Mchimba's Ritual Bandage?

[sick sentinel]

32 stam for +10 at 375

[main vault]

Yes

Bandage is pretty bad

[sick sentinel]

it's nothing rly

socket means you get +40 of whatever secondary you want

[main vault]

37

but yeah

[sick sentinel]

?

gems are 40

[main vault]

sorry no 40

[sick sentinel]

enchants are 37

[main vault]

But yeah, 20ish total stat

[sick sentinel]

so in the end it's usually worth unless you have a haste/vers ring

[main vault]

not enough to impact dps

[sick sentinel]

and it's scaled super high

like haste/vers 380 vs haste/mast 370s

I'd take the haste/vers 380

[main vault]

Ill always take the higher ilvl

[daring marlin]

I would too.

[sick sentinel]

but it is impacting your dps however small

to say it isn't is just wrong

look at this beefy fucking ring dude

[warm plinth]

Yeah, if there wasn't some impact, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[sick sentinel]

sure we would

because people feel inclined to bring it up almost daily

[main vault]

Sure

But again

[warm plinth]

? But we wouldn't have a reason to bring it up if there were no impact 🤔

[sick sentinel]

it's a valid question, but the truth is that the main role of a tank is to stay alive, and 30 of a stat isn't going to change that

[main vault]

Basically Zero

Not literally zero

But basically

[sick sentinel]

I don't know your reason for bringing it up :p

[warm plinth]

If there's basically zero difference, then why are we making such an effort to preach one way or the other?

[sick sentinel]

there's a perceived difference that you wouldn't notice during gameplay

we aren't o:

we only stated what we would do

[uneven mason]

its the general concept, that the preaching is going on about

not the specific instance

[sick sentinel]

Nexii said multiple times that you can do what you want

[main vault]

I mean, you were the only one making an effort

[uneven mason]

Basically - asking what our weights and specific stats all in all, comes down to, item level is going to win, but feelycraft away if you want

[warm plinth]

If you say so. This wasn't a one-sided conversation though lol.

[main vault]

People ask questions, people give guidance based on info, was no arguing

[warm plinth]

We weren't even talking about specific stats or weights...

[daring marlin]

Was this whole convo sparked by that dude posting like 8 rings together earlier?

lol

[warm plinth]

Prawn mentioned sims at the very beginning, which was quickly decried by a few of us, but no one has said anything about stat weights or any specific stats since then

[uneven mason]

Also on the concept of bypassing some EHP barrier that lets you sacrifice "more stats" for better stats- the more EHP you ahve, the more you can blow resources into DPS over survival *shrug, EHP is a DPS increase 😄

[main vault]

You mean other than going on about the specific stat Stam

[sick sentinel]

because someone asked which ring is overall better (two of the exact same ring, one 10ivls higher and one with a socket) and I think its wrong to say 'take the 10ivl its the best' if you leave out 'from a purely EHP' perspective.

[warm plinth]

Alright, if you want to bring semantics into it. I had hoped you would understand that I meant secondary stats.

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't matter

take whatever you want

it is unlikely to make a big difference

[uneven mason]

all in all the 2 rings are equal at 10 ilvls

[sick sentinel]

prot isn't really a class you can minmax like that

[main vault]

I mean if you wanna argue just to be right go ahead, no point in it but if you feel better

[sick sentinel]

sims do not exist for defensive content nor really could they without building an entire fight scheme for raid from the ground up

[uneven mason]

Nexii I argue that we need more bears

[sick sentinel]

ban bears

make them a dps class

[uneven mason]

🐻

[main vault]

I dont even wanna play my Bear myself 😦

[uneven mason]

I know right

I tried to pug HC Uldir on my bear

and compared to the warrior

it was like

[sick sentinel]

boys

[main vault]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

it's timewalking week

[uneven mason]

tanking as a brick of cottage cheese

[main vault]

😦

[sick sentinel]

this means it's 100% the best time to level a character from 110-120

[main vault]

Im skipping TW week

[sick sentinel]

if you have a char you've been waiting on

don't

spam TW

[main vault]

I only have 3 toons left to level

Thats too much commitment to this game

[sick sentinel]

timewalk

sell ur account

[main vault]

lulz

[sick sentinel]

this shows you how long it's been since I logged in on this character

lul

[main vault]

Last timewalking?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[uneven mason]

did my leveling for the week, got a Dark Iron high enough for the racial armor.

[main vault]

I started messing around on my Pally, maybe Ill do weekly on him

[sick sentinel]

I gotta level my nightborne mage

who I wish was a blood elf

but alas, leveling 1-20 sucks ass

[warm plinth]

@uneven mason You need to go farm Ironfoe and use that for xmog.

Or is that Ironfoe? 😮

Yeah never mind, that is Ironfoe. I didn't remember that having the rune or whatever on it.

[uneven mason]

That is Ironfoe

boi

I've had that shit since Vanilla

[warm plinth]

I have had a few of those drop for me over the years. Always used to try to mess with people with the proc when I played horde back in the day.

[uneven mason]

its a holdover from my days in EQ, I hoard weapons that are hard to get, that is until they gave us the Xmog tab

vendored so much

[sick sentinel]

This is good bathroom material all, tyvm

[uneven mason]

+++

you mean the stat discussion?

[warm plinth]

I could have sworn it didn't have a rune on it before...that it was just smooth and shiny on the side. Now I'm trying to think wtf else I could be thinking of.

[sick sentinel]

Yup

rip that scythe from bfd

[main vault]

I need to find a mog

I just stole Maroks for now

[fierce juniper]

hmmmm

[main vault]

I just happened to have the set

[fierce juniper]

skyhold set?

[main vault]

No the green BRF

[fierce juniper]

o

ya

[sick sentinel]

I need a good set too

[fierce juniper]

i feel like there aren't a lot of good warrior mogs

or sets rather

[main vault]

Yeah Ive only really seen a few i like

Which is weird since Warrior is one of the few traditional mmo classes

[warm plinth]

A lot of them look their best on humans and orcs and just look shitty on other races. Especially if you play any of the stranger races like Worgen or Goblins.

[main vault]

Yeah my Warrior is Human (no flame) and I still dont like most of them lol

[warm plinth]

I think some of my favorite warrior mogs were the older PvP sets. Like...s3-s6 old.

[main vault]

I think Mag'har Garrosh lookalike is kinda cool

yeah the pvp stuff is nice

[warm plinth]

Not thrilled about the BoD plate set :/

[main vault]

Naw the plate one is shit

[marble cipher]

The new warfront set is quite nice, imo

[main vault]

The cloth and leather sets are so much bis

[marble cipher]

Bit generic horde, but nice

[main vault]

Is the purple one the warfront?>

[marble cipher]

The red one

[main vault]

Sinister glad

[marble cipher]

Honor bound centurion something something

That one

[main vault]

oh yeah thats not bad

[sick sentinel]

God damnit

Now that I have my new warrior tmog(thanks) I want to race change back to femorc

But god fucking damnit, I hate the sound effects fem orcs make, and the HM racial is so fucking useful in M+

[silk moat]

This dude’s mog

[sick sentinel]

Isn't that boosted?

[silk moat]

Ya

[sick sentinel]

The legend himself

[silk moat]

Dude love it

It’s so bright

[sick sentinel]

Its so plain, white and boring that it does not come full circle but is just close enough to not be so bleh

[crude ether]

I can never beat his parses

[sick sentinel]

I don't think anyone can

[crude ether]

forever 🥈

[sick sentinel]

He's got the best cheese dips

[crude ether]

he uses vial a lot to pad I've noticed

[silk moat]

I think it’s clean & simple

I got vial this week 385

[crude ether]

mines 370

but I got a 395 syringe

[silk moat]

It really makes thunderclap strong

[crude ether]

so it's nbd

[sick sentinel]

I have the 370 passive from the WB

So doesn't start strong right away but gets stronger with more time

Hopefully I can get chest and trinket if we kill this week

[warm plinth]

Little late but the mythic cloth set is the shit

[sick sentinel]

My current tmog, just missing the helm

Needed to find a mix of gear that matched with the MoP S12 Gladitor Gear, since not many pieces have the same or sim colour

[astral crystal]

the only set worth it

[sick sentinel]

Oh god

[astral crystal]

just wish the helm wasnt shit

[sick sentinel]

Its the attack of the piss yellow

[astral crystal]

you best believe it

[sick sentinel]

Its Deus Ex HR allover again

Also is really bad that I actually thought that was the Uldir set

Fuck man, uldir and ToV plate sucked shit

[astral crystal]

you're insane

tov set is beautiful

all tints are great

[main vault]

what was the ToV set?

[astral crystal]

funeral plate of the chosen dead

[main vault]

I mean, there are worse

Ive been farming m+ for hours, need to take a break and find a good set

[sick sentinel]

I have several, but I always wanted to use the one Im currently wearing

Was just a matter of getting it

[astral crystal]

i cannot abide warriors mogging into disgusting barbarian sets

[sick sentinel]

Looks like ur asking for the DnD gods to come and break ur legs then

[main vault]

Its literally what they are though

They are 100% Barbarians

[warm plinth]

I need a coloblind transmog mode so I can make halfway decent mogs lol. I make sets that I think look awesome, and then my girlfriend checks it and she's like what the actual fuck is that

[main vault]

ha

[sick sentinel]

Is there not a colourblind option in interface?

[warm plinth]

There is but none of them seem to fit for me

I've messed with it but something always looks really strange so I typically have it off.

[sick sentinel]

Ah

[astral crystal]

im hung up on vanilla warrior where they looked more like knights and shit

not like mud hut dwelling third worlders

[warm plinth]

What race are you?

[astral crystal]

tauren

in all ways but physical i am dark iron dwarf though

[warm plinth]

lol

[sick sentinel]

hi

[round vortex]

Atticus are you a closet alliance player? If not you should be on a paladin if you what that shit

Although you do get a check mark for using the biggest shield possible lol

That is a must on anay warrior OR the smallest like the one from Wailing Caverns

[merry bane]

Nice Got a 370 Piece with BoM/Lifespeed/Resounding Port

[sick sentinel]

Nice

[merry bane]

gunna try it out. currently using an IF piece

[sick sentinel]

U have the same chest as me, its from the Lion roar WB in Arathi right?

[merry bane]

Yes

I have quite a few pieces. Currently I am using my IF/GR/RP

[sick sentinel]

For the chest? Not bad

[merry bane]

Yes I also have my Uldir Piece for chest

[lean rover]

Leveling spec’d as prot is so easy

[merry bane]

Jeez 512 mastery for 20 seconds and IP every Avatar

[sick sentinel]

After being stagnant in 1.3k for so long, I'm now in the 1.6k .io. Gotta break 1.7k for top 3 tanks in realm

[warm plinth]

Git it girl

[sick sentinel]

Gotta push hard this week because Im gonna barely next, fuck those affixs

[warm plinth]

Yeah this is probably the last "easy week" of the season; better push now

[sharp lotus]

@urban walrus Thank you

[steady slate]

what healer comp should we try to get for the next raid? so far, we have a R Shaman who could go MW

[oblique garnet]

oh pogchamp marokk is pushing keys

[merry bane]

Oh wow. This is a close race. Got 375 Bracers with Crit and mastery. Just have 370 bracers drop with haste and mastery

[warm plinth]

I'd go with the 375s

[merry bane]

its like 5 strength

vs the haste

[warm plinth]

And more secondaries.

[merry bane]

74 crit 58 mastery vs 48 haste 82 masteruy

[subtle shard]

How you set your camera angle at tol dagor last boss?

[merry bane]

and 7 strength difference

[subtle shard]

Its kinda hard for me to see the cross ignition

[warm plinth]

I mean, if you want to make the call to use the 370s, go for it. Just giving you my personal opinion on the matter. I would use the 375s. They're bracers, so the stat difference is always going to be small because they're low budget. It's still more though.

[merry bane]

difference is .05% block

but 2% hast eincrease

[warm plinth]

You're basing the gain on how important you think haste is. Our secondaries are very very close to each other. More str is more armor, more AP, bigger IP. Crit is parry and damage. Sounds like your mind is made up already, and the difference is small. The 375s are objectively better though. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry bane]

Well I will stick with what works LOL

my 375s have been with me for a month. Difference is marginal at best and I prefer my crit

[sick sentinel]

@subtle shard it depends on ur positioning of the boss

I'm assuming ur tanking him on the corner where the door is at, which for u is bad

Tank him on corner of the stairs/wall

That way ur dps don't stand on u with aoe, u don't get hit by cannons, and u can see cross fire

And when u get the knock back u should almost always stay in spot when it pops u up in the air

@sick sentinel I just close my eyes and click heroic leap and thats where I tank it

is that not optimal

If ur timing ur chest, then it's optimal

I now need to do 4 more dungeons above +15 for .io before season 2 starts, then I'll be super happy happy fun times

[dapper leaf]

Big red button suck for prot? 390 out of chest...

[sick sentinel]

It's bad yes but keep it for item bag ilvl

was hilarious in pvp, but they nerfed it into the ground

[foggy mason]

I'm over 900 score on my warrior! 1000 here I come!

[drowsy relic]

grats!

[foggy mason]

Thank you.

I've been working hard on it and I think I'm finally starting to get it some.

[inland mesa]

395 xalzaix, 390 jes, 385 syringe o.O

defensive xal and jes? offensive syringe for....jes?

[oblique garnet]

eye and syringe imo

[inland mesa]

for everything?

[oblique garnet]

well your 390 jes aint bad for either defensive and offensive i just personally dont like it

the cd is tad too long

[inland mesa]

yeah, that's pretty much why i was torn, if it was 1min or 1.5 i might be more inclined

[subtle shard]

@sick sentinel ok will try that next time

[sick sentinel]

i need ppl 2 push with

[oblique garnet]

ml+19 Zzz

[warm plinth]

Yo we heard you like trash with your trash so we threw in some extra trash with your trash so you can have more trash -Xzibit

[sudden tapir]

Hey guys, is Deafening Crash still a compulsory go to for azerite traits? I just got a pair of shouders that are 40 ilvls above it, but I lost the trait..

At what point, do the scales tip

[warm plinth]

Check the pins. It says how much you should drop for it

[sudden tapir]

Great! Got my answer, it's a large upgrade; the line is fine

[icy flax]

Hi. I've read on tanknotes.tk that we can reflect vectis's omega vector. Can someone tell me more about it ? What happens when you reflect ? Does vectis get the DoT ?

[inland mesa]

No you just don't get a stack so you reflect as it wears off

In theory you could take every other one and lower stacks for the raid to help with healing

[icy flax]

you have to use reflect when the dot wears off ?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[icy flax]

feels weird ^^

and having reflect up when you get the dot doesn't do anything ?

[oblique garnet]

well it reduces the damage

but its waste

not getting one extra stack is worth much more

[icy flax]

i see. Thank you.

If i can ask another question

The notes say that we can use reflect on G'huun's Explosive Corruption as well. Does it prevent having the debuff ?

or is it just for the damage reduce ?

[oak girder]

You don't get the debuff

[icy flax]

nice

thank you !

[sudden tapir]

It simply reflects the debuff on to someone else

[shut summit]

no it doesnt

it reflects it back to boss (but doesnt actually spawn orbs from him)

[merry cave]

It'd be cool if it put an orb under him that added to our deeps :P

[sudden tapir]

@shut summit I'm not going to say you're wrong, because hearing you specifically say that it doesn't, instantly makes me doubt what I'm actually seeing properly.

When I hit spell reflect, the animation of corruption (while under SR) hits me, hops one person, lands on another and they get explosive. Haha I should open my eyes properly and see what it is really doing..

[shut summit]

yea greaphic is just weird

look at logs and its always one fewer debuffs

[sudden tapir]

Makes sense, Sense! 😄

[sick sentinel]

I am confused

Can prot even tank keys this high? Are we viable enough for a +1234?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[ionic fern]

I mean..must be if you did 1235 last week to get a 1234.

[sick sentinel]

Hey that's not my key

[oblique garnet]

@nova gale Damn son you actually got AD out of chest?

[sick sentinel]

I'm trying to plan a route in teeming

it sucks

[ionic fern]

Why?

Just remember that the pack on the left is bugged at some times..still not sure if it reduces the % required or not. 😂

[sick sentinel]

because I suck

so

I assume the way to deal with teeming here

if G29 is present, don't go this way

[ionic fern]

But

[oblique garnet]

You can play the middle pack weep

[sick sentinel]

if G27 is present

don't go this way

[ionic fern]

🤔

Do the first 2 packs.

[sick sentinel]

I do

[ionic fern]

And shroud the honor guard packs later.

[sick sentinel]

i just pull em all