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fair sky
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what icy-veins said just had to be sure

astral crystal
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icy veins guide was written by the channel admin, you're safe to follow it

fair sky
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nice to get a 2nd opinion

strong forum
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use the 370s

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1x rot scour

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and one of the 370s

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the ritual binder is ๐Ÿ‘Œ

sick sentinel
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I got pinged here

warm plinth
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@sick sentinel

oblique garnet
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oh herudra timed +20 kr?

warm plinth
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Looks like it.

fair sky
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are haste gems overpriced your guys server?

sick sentinel
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395+390 I would say

warm plinth
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What do you consider overpriced @fair sky?

fair sky
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on my server they're 1.2k for one

warm plinth
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That sounds pretty low to me.

sick sentinel
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on mine they fluctuate from 500 to 700

fair sky
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few days ago they were 650g for one

warm plinth
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They're 1800-1900 on one of my servers

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Then again, on my other two they're between 850 and 950

solemn kelp
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Hey folks, could I ask a q about tanking Zul with my prot war? I'm having an issue with taking and dropping Rupturing Blood stacks.

warm plinth
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Could probably check for the raw gem, or see if your guild bank has any. Could get one cut instead of buying from AH.

solemn kelp
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Basically it's taking too long for me to run to edge of the encounter, drop my stacks, and return to zul before the offtank dies due to too many stacks...

fair sky
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leap away drop stacks than charge back?

solemn kelp
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yes

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that's the theory

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but in practice, I leap away, wait forever, drop stacks, then try and get close enough to charge

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that all takes far too long for me

warm plinth
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Leap>Drop>Intercept Friendly>Intercept boss maybe?

fair sky
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What if your tank taunts you wait for about 4s or so drop stacks than charge back

solemn kelp
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@fair sky when I tried that, the off tank picked up too many stacks and died all the same

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i am baffled, frankly

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we tank zul at the center of the encounter btw

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maybe we should move him a little closer

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*offcenter

warm plinth
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This is Mythic right?

solemn kelp
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sorry, HC

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i feel its a timing issue, something i'm obviously missing

warm plinth
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Are you running behind your co-tank to drop stacks (i.e. where Zul is facing)? Should be tanking him in the center, then running to the edge in front of Zul to drop stacks. That way you're as close as possible to your co-tank when you're coming back.

sick sentinel
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if it's HC, just jump off and die at tank swap and get CRed

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easy

solemn kelp
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yes, we're employing the strategy that's basically written up on wowhead

warm plinth
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Yeah you can BoP it off too instead of getting brezzed (pretty sure that's the strat for mythic actually, BoP or brez). If you're doing it as quickly as possible, maybe it's just your co-tank using CDs wrong (assuming that's needed to take higher stacks)? Might be his fault, rather than yours.

solemn kelp
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Could be, I was just fishing to see if there was something blindingly obvious i was missing. Oh well, thanks all the same. I'll see how thing progress.

warm plinth
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Yeah I mean you can only get back to him so fast, and we're one of the most mobile tanks there are, so if you can't get back fast enough, Idk lol

solemn kelp
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thanks again, and HNY to all ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

oblique garnet
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just stay in the stack till you have debuff left for like 2-3 seconds and then jump away to drop it off

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If you still die its a healer issue

solemn kelp
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Yeah I'll keep plugging away at it. ๐Ÿ‘

warm plinth
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Yeah I was going to suggest that but having not actually done the encounter, I didn't know how long it took for him to apply the next stack ๐Ÿ˜‚ Didn't want to give wrong advice. Definitely would be easier to get back in time if you were only out there for a few seconds to drop the stack vs. almost the whole 20 seconds.

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Good luck!

oblique garnet
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Just dont stand infront of the boss when youre not tanking

sick sentinel
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very scuffed atal 11

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trying to think of ways to get enemy %

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if I pull the first pack on the left at the start of the dungeon

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I still end up with 99.49% enemy forces

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grabbing the first pack of raptors doesn't seem worth it

marble cipher
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The two infested birdies

sick sentinel
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which two @marble cipher

marble cipher
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From entrance, down the stairs, then left

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I usually do them after rezan and the two packs of mini dino's

sick sentinel
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ooo

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thank you

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my general pull order is

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first pack left

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then to the right I pull the infested stealth dude

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then I go to rezan

marble cipher
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Works as well, then back up after rezan, two mini Dino packs, then walk straight for the two birdies

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Then continue upwards to totem part

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I do the same mobs, but go rezan first usually

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Though, left pack first might be better on fort weeks, for cd's on those

sick sentinel
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fair yeah

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that's the one thing I like about kings' rest

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all but 2 mobs are mandatory

marble cipher
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True

astral crystal
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@sick sentinel go rezan, then up, take babby dino packs, get screamer/dino pack on bridge, run up, go living, grab first three packs, then undead side, pull only what you can't avoid, skip volkal pack, go downstairs, kill evrything on the way to third boss except dinosaur pat, kill everything up to second boss, back down to final boss, kill 2 perching screamers, that should be ๐Ÿ’ฏ

marble cipher
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Or that, if you have shroud

sick sentinel
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I'm pugging keys

marble cipher
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Shroud is lovely for totem side

sick sentinel
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no guarantee for any class combination

astral crystal
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there's a way to skip dinos with almost every class comp

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errm

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skip volkal pack

warm plinth
astral crystal
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if you want to be absolutely ghetto about it: you run in while group hangs back, pull mobs to the opposite side, you die, healer rezzes you

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while group is inside volkal's arena obviously

sick sentinel
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we use invis pot to go inside and then I pull right and die and healer rezes me to get out

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i guess

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yeah

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we can skip them

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but is it worth it?

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i'd like to 3chest a 10

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eventually

marble cipher
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It's a very slow and hard pack, so often it's worth to skip that

sick sentinel
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I have a 2chest without any skips

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so the dinos make up for it

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like the 2 packs on the bridge going forward from the entrance?

marble cipher
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You'll need an extra pull on living side if you skip totem pack I think. Not sure, haven't skipped it a lot.

astral crystal
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@sick sentinel absolutley it's worth

sick sentinel
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I want a gud time

astral crystal
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that pack's pretty cancer on fort week

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not so bad on tyrannical

sick sentinel
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yea

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bolst doesn't help

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in my last group on the way to the pack

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they bolsted the honor guard twice

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๐Ÿ˜ญ

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I got ruined

marble cipher
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Do siege, bolster a spotter more than ten times, good fun

sick sentinel
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idk how

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I can't watch twitch vods

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so I can't watch Lala's stuff

warm plinth
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Why can't you watch Twitch vods?

sick sentinel
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he PC does not like twitch

marble cipher
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You just drag the spotter from pack to pack to kill them off. Eventually the spotter will be a raid boss ๐Ÿ˜‚

sick sentinel
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700m hp spotter]

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you can use the spotter to kill last boss tentacles

marble cipher
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Haha, didn't know

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You'll have to drag him through third boss fight then though

sick sentinel
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i don't even know what the spotter is

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really

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I know that it does something with artillery

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but not how that's useful

warm plinth
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Pretty sure the artillery damages mobs too, and bolstering him increases the damage done by the artillery.

sick sentinel
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ahh

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I'm willing to try it

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like

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below a 10

wispy sparrow
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just gotta be careful with using the spotter on last boss, with a gigabolster spotter he'll 1 shot the friendly in the gripping tentacle

sick sentinel
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so how do you kill the spotter

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if u dont want to use it on last boss

wispy sparrow
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you wipe

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and reset him

sick sentinel
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i'm guessing the 5 deaths well makesup the time

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or rather

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the time saved is way more than 5 deaths

wispy sparrow
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yea

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we had a gigabolster spotter and he just 1 shot all the monkey packs

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was funny as fuck

marble cipher
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Yep, you wipe to it if you use him to speed up pulls

sick sentinel
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while you have them you can oneshot every pack more or less

warm plinth
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What's the downside to doing that? Surely there's a catch to being able to one-shot a bunch of trash?

sick sentinel
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if u get hit ur fucked

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that's the downside

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apparently

marble cipher
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Nothing really, just more dodging stuff or you'll die

wispy sparrow
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the other downside is that the commanders have the chance to be bolstered pretty quick at full health

sick sentinel
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so do you have people stack

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to control where it goes

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or what

marble cipher
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And the people that get the circles need to put them in a good spot so pulls are over fast

sick sentinel
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you need to be really aware with who he targets

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like, don't do it in a pug

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or if you do it, have everyone on discor... oh wait

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?

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it's supposed to be a joke only you would get but nevermind

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just because I don't talk to you doesn't mean I don't talk to people

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besides my voice is better

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I can talk now

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me and u just havent done anything since ive healed ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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"Do I have to join discord?"
"yes"
leaves group

warm plinth
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Weep is antisocial?

hushed cobalt
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mutes both mic and discord
laughs maniacally in Finnish

oblique garnet
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fuck a kings rest

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fuck this place

warm plinth
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๐Ÿ˜ข

sick sentinel
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oh

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yeah

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lol

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it was a 12 atal

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didnt wanna join disc for that

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I would have if I weren't already in a call

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o no it was 12 kr

oblique garnet
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86 minutes

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20 kr

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fml

warm plinth
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I think you're a few minutes off the timer. Could be wrong though.

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Sorry, I'll stop now.

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๐Ÿ˜…

sick sentinel
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late come teach me keys

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im too scared to do a +10 underrot

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;-;

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oh yo dope

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same affix

warm plinth
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Sense coming through in the clutch

sick sentinel
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he went to the right

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why did he do that

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I tried doing that in a key

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ppl got rly mad

warm plinth
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You go to whichever side has only one of the big mobs. It varies with each run I believe.

sick sentinel
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big mobs

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what do you mean

warm plinth
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The blood matrons or w/e they're called.

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One side has 2, the other has 1

sick sentinel
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ahh

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cleavey girls

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I wanna make a M+ group : (

sick sentinel
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@sick sentinel do you accept tips from a 1.5k prot? or do you want specifically late?

outer dew
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Wait wait

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Wtf weep

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I've been out of commission for like two weeks

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Where the push

sick sentinel
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i was killing ghuun

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she's CE now

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and also i wasn't playing

outer dew
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Smh

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Pushed out of top 100 in two weeks because no wow

warm plinth
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Wait, weep, you're a female? Using wrong pronouns in 2k18 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

Anywho, weep was busy getting an agility 1-hander to use.

sick sentinel
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ye

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i have mythrax 1h now

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370

outer dew
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Sad life

warm plinth
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Oh that's right, you said that last night.

sick sentinel
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my best friend who may no longer be my best friend is uhhh

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really upset

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that he forgot about agility/strength being mutually exclusive

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because the 1h I got is BiS for ww and he has a 370 :x

warm plinth
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Idk why they are tbh. Same weapon speeds now, so just make them str/int/agi and be done with it.

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Just to reduce competition maybe, idk

sick sentinel
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wait, did you yoink the fist weap from a guy that needed it?

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yeah

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he's brm main

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neither of us really remembered that stats like that matter

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so he gave it to me bc I was using 365

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and now I can't give it back

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I'd open a ticket but I know for a fact that blizz doesnt care

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idk i feel rly bad

warm plinth
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It's worth a shot, but yeah they probably won't do anything.

oblique garnet
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@sick sentinel why do you need tips?

sick sentinel
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because I suck?

oblique garnet
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yeah but so do i

sick sentinel
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i cant even do 12s ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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or 10s

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I'm too scared to sign up for a 10

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because I know I'll brick their key

oblique garnet
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Why are you scared?

sick sentinel
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because I don't know the pulls

oblique garnet
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Just wing it

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The only way you get to know the pulls is by playing alot

sick sentinel
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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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I'll kill their key

lavish oracle
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It's perfectly acceptable to learn the routes in lower keys and just modify your pull style around infested

warm plinth
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Yeah I always practice in lower keys and when I'm feeling more confident, I put the practice into practice ( ๐Ÿ™ƒ ) in higher keys.

sick sentinel
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;v;

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infested is spooky

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it kinda changes the whole dungeon

lavish oracle
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Honestly, it doesn't really

sick sentinel
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you just look at method dungeon tools and plan around infested

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that's what I did at the start, after the first rotation I just winged it

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mdt

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oof

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mdt is really good what do you mean?

lavish oracle
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Most pulls you just CC the infested and pull the rest and kill the infested separate or you kill the infested with the pack. Sometimes it's worth switching your route to avoid an infested pack but that comes with experience

sick sentinel
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also get the "infested on nameplate" weak aura

lavish oracle
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elvui should do it by default if you have it

sick sentinel
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oof at myself btw

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not at mdt

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i do have elvui

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i'm not sure if it does

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haven't rly checked

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99% sure it does

lavish oracle
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I have elvui and my nameplates have it but it might be part of another addon

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not 100% sure

sick sentinel
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i cant remember

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idk

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i can try a low siege key maybe

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or smth

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I have to learn every dungeon :X

warm plinth
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You can just do a regular mythic too. All the mechanics are there. You'll just have to adapt your pulls based on the affixes as you go up in level.

sick sentinel
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my ww friend was helping me learn :^)

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a friend I may not have anymore :^)))

warm plinth
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That's because WWs are the best.

oblique garnet
primal crypt
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

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which dungeon

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ahahahahahaha

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30k

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boiiiiii

oblique garnet
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Freehold XD

primal crypt
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oh boiiii

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ahahahahaha

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how nasty were the pulls?

oblique garnet
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4 pulls

main vault
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Those other two dps tho

primal crypt
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lmaoooo

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amazing

oblique garnet
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yeah it was lower key

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idk how the boomie did that low with 380

sick sentinel
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how can u do freehold in 4 pulls

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monkaS

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how low was it

oblique garnet
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+2

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xD

sick sentinel
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oooooh ok

oblique garnet
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wanted to chill abit after the 20 kr

sick sentinel
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basically, pull to the first boss, kill first boss

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then pull to second boss while doing event

oblique garnet
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nono

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you dont do event

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until 3rd

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you lose mobs

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and then basically pulled everything in last platform

sick sentinel
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lol

primal crypt
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wait

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which way did you go late

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1 to Harlan?

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kill harlan then come back?

oblique garnet
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nah

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1st boss into 3rd boss into 2nd and to last

primal crypt
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last for me is shark boss now

oblique garnet
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last = harlan

primal crypt
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ye

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1st to shark boi

oblique garnet
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i dont think its even worth lusting sharkboss even on tyrannical anymore

primal crypt
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I could see that

oblique garnet
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Its a joke now

sick sentinel
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Phew

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you can click the pig before it even launches lol

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Just timed a 15 UR

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But barely

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Just got into the 1.5k .io and already close to breaking into 1.6k already

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yay

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im at 265

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Just keep grinding

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Do +7 on everything

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Very easy

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no skittish and bolster kinda shit even at 7

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bout to do a 16 FH

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should i rly do 7s

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for exp and .io

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guess so

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unless u doing premades

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i am

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then nvm

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premade meaning pugs

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i mean

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ah

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meant a permant group

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ah

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I'd love one

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but don't have one.

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neither do

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i

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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but its fun either way

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yeah

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I love keys a lot more than people I know do

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Sharkboss is really easy now yeah

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I also like standing in the sharknado if my sb or my LS has duration left, since it's blockable

sick sentinel
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Just SW it

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Its what i did

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and if it isnt up

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dont use anything

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Be a man

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would u use this

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I've been running fathoms

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I would use any other dps trinket instead

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Or blockades I guess

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so this

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YES

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Knot is AMAZING

warm plinth
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Yeah that other one is pretty horrible lol.

sick sentinel
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up every avatar

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Knot is a gift from gods

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gonna macro it to avatar tbh

warm plinth
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That's what I would do lol.

sick sentinel
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how do I use my trinket again

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Ur KNOT gonna regret it

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/use Knot of Ancient Fury works ig

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Either use 13 or use 14

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Top slot is 13 and bottom is 14

warm plinth
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Damn. I was trying to think of a knot pun.

sick sentinel
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ahh

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thought it was 16

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that's why

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Hehehehe

warm plinth
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I've always just done /use TrinketName myself.

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Then I don't have to think about what the slot number is lol

sick sentinel
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I've always done nothing and just have on use on its own keybind

warm plinth
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Ain't nobody got keybinds fo' dat.

sick sentinel
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U got 24 with just 1-12 and shift

lavish oracle
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I click it on my bar, am I a monster?

sick sentinel
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Nah

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U need help

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But not a monster

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I have a /use 5 and /use idk for belt and cloak eng things

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now i have a nifty wa

warm plinth
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Did you just say 1-12? Wut?

sick sentinel
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So I don't have to drag a new thing in after I change clothes

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@warm plinth mmo mouse prob

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My mouse has 6 buttons on the side

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^

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But I also consider 0,-,= as 10, 11 and 12

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got an entire set

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Because thats what it is in game

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dab

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Ew

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I hate WA

warm plinth
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But like

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How do you hit anything past 6

sick sentinel
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Pinky and ring finger

warm plinth
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That's the wrong side of the keyboard

sick sentinel
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i can still use my index and hit up to like

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8

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wwith my middle finger on w

warm plinth
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How tf

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Do you have mutant hands

sick sentinel
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i have rly big hands

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ya

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biggest girlhands in the game

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Even with a non Gamers rise up mouse, u can use ur mouse hand to hit buttons

lavish oracle
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7 is normally my limit, I mostly use 1-7, shift + 1-7, ctrl + 1-7

warm plinth
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I can hit 7 if I move my hand kinda sideways, but not if my middle finger is on W, and I have giant hands.

sick sentinel
lavish oracle
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and if I have anything left over I just click it 'cause I'm too lazy to come up with other binds that are easy to use

sick sentinel
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I need to change my binds

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rly bad

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but they work

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shift-r and shift-4 are bad though

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I want to move charge somewhere because it's pretty essential

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I just started to get into alt+ keybinds

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nah fuck that

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Shift ur finger from shift key to alt whenever u need it

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Since I use mainly shift

lavish oracle
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What's wrong with shift + keybinds?

sick sentinel
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For about 90% of my binds

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I'm using alt+ keys for marking targets, heartstone, and timer

lavish oracle
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Yeah, I really need mark keybinds

sick sentinel
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It helps a lot for cc

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Moon is cc, fucking BANISH THE INFESTED DH

warm plinth
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I use shift binds for a few keys but that's about it.

lavish oracle
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I use them for getting PUGs to interrupt mostly

warm plinth
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Modifiers get too clunky

lavish oracle
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Eh, feels fine for me

warm plinth
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I just don't have enough buttons that I NEED bound to have to use them

sick sentinel
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Won't lie there are times I see people's bindings and I'm like excuse me, wtf

lavish oracle
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I don't like using letters, too used to the number row

sick sentinel
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I use both

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Since I only use wasd to move the letters that surround them is what I use

lavish oracle
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Just a bad habit, just got too used to the letters doing menu stuff

sick sentinel
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I use q,e,r,t,f,g,z,x,c, b for my letters

warm plinth
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You don't move with the mouse Intense?

lavish oracle
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You move only with your mouse?

warm plinth
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No, I use a mix

lavish oracle
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Oh, yeah, I think that's what most people do

warm plinth
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I have strafe bound to A and D, so I still use WASD but I turn with my mouse.

sick sentinel
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Yeah I do, but before I had a gaming mouse I would do whatever trick if I didnt need to move. Now that I have a gaming mouse so it's why I have a shit ton of keybind

warm plinth
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Oh okay

main vault
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I just have a mouse that does it

warm plinth
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I have a 12 button mouse but I only use like...5 or 6 of the buttons for my warrior. And I use one of my extra keyboard buttons (vertical on the left side)

sick sentinel
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Ah

main vault
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I still use all mine

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All my binds are 1 to =

sick sentinel
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^

main vault
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Then control+ and shift+

lavish oracle
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If I had extra buttons on my mouse I'd use them for mark binds

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sadly I am poor

main vault
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With alt as mod for macros

warm plinth
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Pummel, Victory Rush, Spell Reflect, Demo Shout, and Last Stand are all on my mouse.

sick sentinel
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I have 2 1/2 bars worth of keybind plus whatever isn't a spell

warm plinth
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I have my raid markers on my num-pad

sick sentinel
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Hmmm

warm plinth
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But tbh it's usually faster to use ElvUI's bar than to use a key anyway

sick sentinel
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That's a good idea

lavish oracle
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I don't like having to take my hand off my mouse

warm plinth
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I rarely actually use them, for the same reason. I don't like taking my hand off of my mouse.

lavish oracle
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my num pad is mostly like mounts and weird consumables

warm plinth
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I usually just click the elvui bar

main vault
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All my raid markers are macros

sick sentinel
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Shit I might have to test out some new keybinds tommorow

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I can't have markers macrod

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Not a big fan of macros in pve

warm plinth
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I'm not a big fan of macros. I use like...damage cooldown+trinket ones but that's about it.

main vault
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Ill never play without macros

warm plinth
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Except for healing classes; I usually have damage spells and healing spells bound to the same keys.

main vault
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so you click heal?

warm plinth
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No, I use mouseover macros

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So it's like 1 is Enveloping Mist mouseover (or target if it's friendly), but if I have an enemy targeted, it's Tiger Palm

sick sentinel
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The only macros I use are the ones I created for pvp but can be useful in pve

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Since most of my macros are pvp related

main vault
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Yeah I refuse to PvP in WoW

warm plinth
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I guess in PvP you almost need them. Like buttons to CC each person without having to waste time targeting them and shit.

sick sentinel
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I pve on my prot, pvp and bath in lfr with my feral

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Pretty much ghash, a second wasted is a possible lose

warm plinth
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I don't hate PvP but I don't do instanced PvP. Last time I did any semi-serious PvP was getting Duelist in BC in 2s lol.

sick sentinel
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I did 3's in my last guild and got to 1.3k(ATM) but haven't touched it since

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I also need to level my druid but the .io grind keeps pulling me back

warm plinth
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I wouldn't even know what a good rating is anymore. There's no PvP gear now right? Like from the vendors?

sick sentinel
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Idk man

warm plinth
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I'm waiting for the next round of allied races to reroll my druid. Gonna have a Kul'tiran and Zandalari

sick sentinel
#

Shits weird and I stopped caring seriously past cata

warm plinth
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Just remade my warrior as a DID

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Idk i was like 1865 back then which wasn't anything special. I think Glads were 2200-2300 depending on the season at that point.

sick sentinel
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And with how the elite gear is looking, I'm glad I stopped giving a shit

warm plinth
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Gear in general is pretty disgusting in this expansion imo

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Some exceptions but most of it is bad

sick sentinel
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Blizzard didn't land gold with BoD, but they struck some silver with sets

warm plinth
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I haven't looked at the BoD sets yet. Some pretty good ones?

sick sentinel
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Very boney

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All but plate look good

warm plinth
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Oh man the mythic cloth set is actually pretty sick

sick sentinel
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But plate from BoD is leagues better than uldir

warm plinth
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Yeah it's not terrible. I'm not a huge fan of one-sided shoulders personally but it could be worse.

sick sentinel
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Which is not saying much when the bar was fucking broken and burned with uldir plate

warm plinth
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The warglaive is pretty cool

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I do wish that with all this troll themed shit coming, they had made a set that works with the mage tower appearance.

sick sentinel
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Nah, fuck u

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U love generic shit

warm plinth
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I don't like generic shit. But I worked hard for that appearance and I wouldn't mind actually having something that goes with it.

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Even if I'll still never use it.

sick sentinel
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RN I'm using wrath gear with mage tower blue

warm plinth
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The bow is nice

sick sentinel
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A mix of relentless and MoP

warm plinth
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I usually use the hidden appearance tbh. It's easily the best prot appearance imo

sick sentinel
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I don't like it because the hammer is dumb

warm plinth
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Can you still not mog it separately? Like have the artifact for the shield and something else for the weapon?

sick sentinel
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Nope

warm plinth
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RIP

sick sentinel
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People keep asking and they keep saying no,stop asking it won't happen

warm plinth
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Ah well, fortunately I like both parts of that lol

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The shield from BoD is ๐Ÿคข

sick sentinel
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Won't lie, I'm getting tired from my current tmog but the last few pieces I need refuse to fucking drop

warm plinth
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It doesn't look bad but it's not gonna match a damn thing.

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How do you design a plate armor set and then make the shield not even come close to matching it?

sick sentinel
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The shield looks like the HD version of the naxx shield that's blue and yellow

warm plinth
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Idk, that's sad though. I just don't know why you wouldn't make the shield match.

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The helm on the leather set is badass

sick sentinel
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oh no

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i'm drafted into wcm 11

warm plinth
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#YOLO

sick sentinel
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2chested underrot 9 tho

warm plinth
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Nice

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Guess they must have thought you did a decent job if they brought you along for the 11

oblique garnet
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@sick sentinel how did the wm go!

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?

sick sentinel
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timed it

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didnt know what i was doign

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gear carried me

oblique garnet
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Yeah the guard + captain and sister combo is the worst

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All mixed damage

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But all in all wm is not that bad this week unless you fuck up bolster on smth

sick sentinel
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dab

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68th warrior tank on my realm now

oblique garnet
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Goodjob

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@sick sentinel you doing low keys trying to figure out your routes?

sick sentinel
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yea

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I got drafted into that wcm tho

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wcm is worse arcway

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prove me wrong

oblique garnet
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I can

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I really like waycrest personally

sick sentinel
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I really like kings' rest

oblique garnet
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Liar

sick sentinel
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why would i lie

oblique garnet
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Nobody likes kings rest

sick sentinel
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late

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do key with me

oblique garnet
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I would but youre eu

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I mean na

sick sentinel
#

?

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yea

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was gonna say

oblique garnet
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Gotta finish school or find american wifey before i can play on na servers

warm plinth
#

๐Ÿ˜‚

outer dew
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@sick sentinel wcm is one of our best dungeons

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Lol

sick sentinel
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doesnt mean i have to like it

oblique garnet
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Whats not to like?

sick sentinel
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i just dont like it

outer dew
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Lots of trash

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Fat spells to reflect

oblique garnet
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^

hollow fog
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assuming im going just for dmg, and dont need mitigation.... Does a shield slam within a shield block window always do more dmg than a revenge?

warm plinth
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Depends how many targets you're facing. Single target, Shield Slam without SB up would do more than Revenge.

sick sentinel
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man

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i just can't time a kr

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@oblique garnet @outer dew wcm confuses me

outer dew
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Wdym

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Well

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Tbf

sick sentinel
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it's just dark and confusing

outer dew
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Waycrest is the one where you need 4 routes in mind

sick sentinel
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yea

outer dew
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And it changes spawn each week

sick sentinel
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but you can do a +2 to figure out the route that week

outer dew
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Not really

sick sentinel
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y not

outer dew
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You have a general idea of %

sick sentinel
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nah

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i just mean what doors are open

outer dew
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Oh

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Did they fix it?

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It use to change every key

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L9l

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Is it weekly now?

sick sentinel
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idk

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ive only done 1

outer dew
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It changes every key unless they changed 8t

sick sentinel
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i hate that

hot locust
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Still changes

sick sentinel
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idk

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im too scared to keep trying keys alone

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and i dont rly have friends

hot locust
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you play Osu Weep?

sick sentinel
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yeah

hot locust
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good game :D

sick sentinel
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that's what i thought 5 years ago

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but now I have rsi/carpal tunnel

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so that's considerably less my opinion

hot locust
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do proper stretches and stuff to start your day, and again before you play. It'll get better.

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I had that for a long time.

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Only finally now really healed after years of dealing with it.

sick sentinel
#

i might

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it's only in my right hand for rn

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i kinda play for 10 mins then log off

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my only #1s got sniped already

hot locust
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Still the first thing I do every day before getting out of bed and typically before any osu/guitar hero playing.

sick sentinel
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i like gh

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no guitar tho

hot locust
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clone hero is gods gift to loyal GH fans

sick sentinel
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agreed

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gh3 best guitar hero

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no contest

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clone hero still illegal tho lul

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for now

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I don't know why I say "lul", it kinda disgust sme

hot locust
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Depends on if its custom charts/user created songs.

sick sentinel
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nah

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nothing about that

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they have ripped GHIII assets

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i.e. noteskin

hot locust
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I think they did away with that after a certain point.

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At least im pretty sure

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Its really close

sick sentinel
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idk

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I left the dev server like a year ago I think

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and when I left it was definitely still illegal

hot locust
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Guess I should flex this on topic again by saying prot players are used to having wrist issues with being the highest or near highest APM class for years. :^)

sick sentinel
#

played osu before wow tbh

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I was like 10 when I played during wotlk

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then I quit until legion

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and then I was a heroic pug raider

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and then 2 days ago I got my first CE

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in my first mythic tier

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so I'm pretty happy

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won't be really satisfied until I'm world first, though ;p

hot locust
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lot of work to go

sick sentinel
#

yeah

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it's difficult to find people with the same goals who aren't toxic

hot locust
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Thats the fun though is improving

sick sentinel
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'cus a lot of times it's just people thinking they're already world #1 material

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and not people who are looking to grind away to become world #1 material

hot locust
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Yeah that and a lot of guilds have very immature environments.

sick sentinel
#

yeah, I'm not really a big fan of that kind of stuff either

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I guess I'm sort of a chameleon though

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my outward personality matches what is kind of expected or what I notice around me

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not that I consciously do it

hot locust
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That kind of thing often annoys me the most ๐Ÿ‘€

sick sentinel
#

hard to control it with BPD

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not much I can do about it

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just try my best to be a better person

hot locust
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Fair enough, I just mean people who decide consciously to act differently to blend into a crowd especially when the environment is legitimately toxic.

sick sentinel
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I don't blend into toxicity

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more just chattiness tbh

hot locust
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Thats just fine ๐Ÿ‘Œ

sick sentinel
#

it's kind of counter-intuitive

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because I tend to be toxic to people who are being toxic

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when I don't want to be toxic at all

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it makes me really mad when someone is being toxic to someone for not being as good as they are

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like that's pretty much the one thing that'll really get me going in, like, a pug or smth

hot locust
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Guess I'm rather out of touch with pugging, havent run with people that arent friends or at least someone a friend knows in a long time.

sick sentinel
#

people can get really mean in pugs

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but yeah I don't really have a big network of players

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I only have 1 person I run anything with, and we don't really run together anymore

outer dew
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Are you Alliance or Horde?

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NA alliance once you start filling for people in high keys

sick sentinel
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na horde

outer dew
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You start remembering names

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Because that's how dead NA alliance is pma

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So you have a good idea of who to dodge or queue into

hot locust
#

I mean its pretty similar in horde side too

sick sentinel
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I only do 10s right now

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or lower

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I'm not good enough to do anything higher

outer dew
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It's not that you're not good enough

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Its you dont have the confidence or mindset

lavish oracle
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Honestly, as a half decent tank in 10+ keys, you get friend requests every other run. Remember the ones you like, add them and run with them

sick sentinel
#

or it's that I'm not good enough yet

outer dew
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Something that annoyed me about my push group was that they only wanted to push during super week

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Easy*

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And just gave up every other week

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Nah. Tanking imo isn't that mechanically hard

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You also control the tempo

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So you have an idea of your own CD management

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Vs running in without anything when you're a dps

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Lot about tanking your key is awareness of how your CDs will line up and your DPS cds

sick sentinel
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I just don't know the dungeons yet lol

outer dew
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I mean, every week is slightly different

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MDT is helpful to plan your routes

sick sentinel
#

I feel like you aren't understanding what "know the dungeons yet" means

lavish oracle
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The tanking isn't the hard part of dungeons, its all the knowledge and coordination that goes into knowing what, when, and how to handle pulls

sick sentinel
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I've done shrine, for example, like twice

outer dew
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And if you're only doing 10's it's very easy to over pull and not wipe

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I mean dawg

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At that point it's just do more keys :P

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But you wont really learn different stats or thinking people have until you push up

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You can get away with doing a lot 9f things with your current key level

oblique garnet
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yikes i think i fucked up

sick sentinel
#

i've been doing more keys

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I'm not complaining about not knowing things

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I'm just aware that I don't

oblique garnet
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i was doing wqs in tiragarde and there was alliances camping us so we made a raid group and suddenly all the group was gone and i was in the middle of boralus alone

hot locust
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comes with time and watching vods

sick sentinel
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would love to watch twitch vods

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but my pc basically freezes on twitch

hot locust
#

I cheat and watch Sense a lot :^)

sick sentinel
#

I don't know what their website is

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but it's not good

hot locust
#

Youtube work?

sick sentinel
#

yeah that's where I learned my underrot stuff

outer dew
#

@oblique garnet go screenshare on discord with weep

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Lmao

sick sentinel
#

sense has a video from like 4 months ago

oblique garnet
#

Screenshare what?

outer dew
#

Your wow

sick sentinel
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where he did a +14 underrot with the same affixes I have

hot locust
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Sense has tons of runs on there, yeh

outer dew
#

Show young weep how to do keys

sick sentinel
#

so I learned some stuff about that

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and then winged the second half because I only watched the first half of the video

lavish oracle
#

Darkee, limit's tank has been streaming a fair number of keys on warrior

oblique garnet
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Idk what weep would learn from watching me play i do alot of stupid shit on my keys

hot locust
#

I feel like everyone else does stupid shit around me in mine :^)

oblique garnet
#

Trust me lala

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you shouldve seen the kr

hot locust
#

and then I go ahead and occasionally heroic throw the wrong god damn thing xD

oblique garnet
#

Our rogue went " Oh ye we shrouding this" proceeds to go without stealth and pulling the adds

sick sentinel
#

sometimes I heroic throw CC'd ads

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it's epic

warm plinth
#

I feel like heroic throwing the wrong target is just the initiation every warrior goes through.

sick sentinel
#

my last group didn't understand the importance of spectral bolt

oblique garnet
#

Spectral bolt shudders

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The bridge wasnt even hardest part in the kr

sick sentinel
#

our healer died and then when he released

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on his own proceeded to pull the 2 guardians at the beginning

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and died again

warm plinth
#

Sounds about par for the course in a PUG

sick sentinel
#

every time i SR'd a spectral bolt i felt gud tho

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@hot locust wanna see my amazing binds too

outer dew
#

Whenever I see someone else's binds

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I always think why

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Way too use to mine

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But mine are kind of wack

lavish oracle
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Mine are a mess but they're my mess

outer dew
#

Exactly

oblique garnet
#

how do you move o.O

sick sentinel
#

i mess up taunt and intercept sometimes

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i move with qwe

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fwiw

oblique garnet
#

yeah my bad im way too tired xD

sick sentinel
#

I took shift-e off of that bind today

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and moved it to shift-6

sick sentinel
#

because I can't hold shift and move right with it

warm plinth
#

Idk how people strafe with QE. It just feels unnatural.

sick sentinel
#

in anticipation of taunt

outer dew
#

My madness

sick sentinel
#

it felt unnatural at first

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now it just feels gud

warm plinth
#

I just unbound turning and bound strafe to A and D. Feels much better.

sick sentinel
#

i have rly big hands

warm plinth
#

So do I. It's still more comfortable. Q and E makes you have to scrunch your fingers up.

sick sentinel
#

arj as left up right is playable forme

lavish oracle
#

I would do that if my mouse didn't freak out sometimes and not let me turn

sick sentinel
#

oof

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my scroll wheel is broken

oblique garnet
#

Tofu what the fuck man

sick sentinel
#

i might do an atal

#

I want to try the death skip

#

it's 2 deaths right

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cus you gotta get out

#

should probably save 2x brez for it

lavish oracle
#

Yeah, or get a hunter/mage

#

Don't need brez

#

Tank pulls them off to the side, everyone runs past, tank dies

#

Healer mass rezzes

oblique garnet
#

wait why

#

deathskip

#

what

lavish oracle
#

Alternatively, hunter feigns, mage stealth breaks, or rogue can shroud skip past

outer dew
#

@oblique garnet wdyn

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You've seen my kb before

#

Lmao

sick sentinel
#

i wanna 3chest a 10 ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

outer dew
#

Or be a NE

lavish oracle
#

Volkaal pack, Late

outer dew
#

Alliance Power

oblique garnet
#

just kill it if its a +10

lavish oracle
#

Oh yeah, alliance cheaters

sick sentinel
#

that seems objectively slower

oblique garnet
#

Tofu i have never seen your keybinds

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Your 1-3 ???

outer dew
#

I've posted them plenty

#

Lmao

lavish oracle
#

Eh, good to know how to do the skip anyways

outer dew
#

~ - 3 are like binds I dont press often

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Or dont want to misc lick

#

You can see my main rotation

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Is in q e r t

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And mouse buttons

oblique garnet
#

im shook tofu

outer dew
#

Wdym

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What'd I do qq

warm plinth
#

That's not really that bad. I don't think it'd work for me though because I'm a key spammer. I'm sure I'd fat finger so much shit with all my buttons that close together.

oblique garnet
#

How do you not break your hand with keybinds like that

outer dew
#

Hmm

#

I feel awkward eith any other keybind

#

Tbh

#

Everything is close and in reach for main rotation

#

And the hand stretches really only happen during pull

warm plinth
#

Honestly what fucks with me about that screenshot is that your shit is in a weird ass order. Like I can see where your normal rotation is, but why is it on the bottom middle right of the buttons lol

lavish oracle
#

Maybe Tofu plays with a mangled claw that used to be a hand. Thats what I do

oblique garnet
#

To each their own and keybind is mostly personal opinion

sick sentinel
#

yo

#

method dungeon tools is super cool

oblique garnet
#

it is pretty useful

lavish oracle
#

Yeah, its great

outer dew
#

My hand is pretty big tbf

sick sentinel
#

im makin the ol underrot route

outer dew
#

And my keyboard is standard key sizes

sick sentinel
#

how do i add notes n shit

#

o its at the top dab

outer dew
#

Just beware that if you add notes

#

Sharing the map takes 10 years

#

Lmao

sick sentinel
#

i can just export to like

#

pastebin or smth

outer dew
#

Side note, got some new iems

#

Wont be replacing my headphones

sick sentinel
#

what is an iem

outer dew
#

In ear monitors

sick sentinel
outer dew
#

Like earbuds but they go in the ear

oblique garnet
#

So like

#

earbuds?

outer dew
#

No

#

Earbuds stay outside of the ear

sick sentinel
#

my earbuds go in the ear

outer dew
#

IEM specifically are in ear

#

Earbuds have always been outside

oblique garnet
#

now youre just making stuff up

sick sentinel
#

the undo button in mdt is the worst thing of all time

outer dew
#

Dawg. Earbuds use to all be on ears

#

Earphones go in the ear

lavish oracle
#

I'm looking at pictures of IEMs and they just look like ear buds

outer dew
#

Earphones or IEM

oblique garnet
#

These are earbuds

#

Literally the first picture that shows up when you google earbuds

#

GOT EM

outer dew
#

Googled

#

First one no go in ear

oblique garnet
#

but they do

outer dew
lavish oracle
#

They're all earbuds

oblique garnet
#

^

outer dew
#

I give u0

#

Earbud go over ear

#

Earphone in ear

#

Reee

oblique garnet
#

This is like arguing potato or potata

#

It makes no difference

outer dew
#

It does

#

I'd pay $200 for earphones

#

But not earbuds

oblique garnet
#

i wouldnt pay 200โ‚ฌ for any god damn headphones

outer dew
#

Everyone got their own preference

#

I've had solid performance in my headphones for 6 years

lavish oracle
#

Ngl, tho, I kinda want a set of IEMs not because i'm convinced they're different from earbuds but cause they look like they have replaceable cables

#

Which is tight

outer dew
#

Yea. You wanna know the sad thing?

#

Most iems come with mmcx cables

#

Which are usually more expensive than the drivers

#

Lmao

#

But I picked up some Tin Audio T2 Pros

#

Pretty neutral with a wide soundstage

#

Didn't have to set up any EQ or drive with a DAC

#

And uses mmcx at the $50 price point

#

Build quality is pretty nice too. Metal housing is pretty nice

#

Would not rec if you for small ears though

sick sentinel
#

we did it boys

#

i love mdt

lavish oracle
#

Oh, yeah, I'm a small ear boi

sick sentinel
#

in ear >>>>>> not in ear

#

btw

#

in ear is the superior method of listening to anything

outer dew
#

Btw

#

Instead of eating so much % at end

#

Eat the skele packs

#

Skele packs are like 7% and you melt them fast

#

And you can shroud first skele pack

sick sentinel
#

like this one

outer dew
#

Si

#

So you shroud the skele before it

#

Kill worm

#

And pull both packs together

oblique garnet
#

The skelepack also hurts more than others

sick sentinel
#

which skele

#

๐Ÿค”

outer dew
#

It also doesn't need your pugs to kick

#

And you can SR the one that hurts

sick sentinel
#

that pack puts you over 100%

#

:c

outer dew
#

You scan skip the packs at the end except for last two

lavish oracle
#

Yeah, pull skele side before 3rd boss and pull the lasher pat with living rot after 1st boss and yous should ve able to skip worms

sick sentinel
#

that implies shroud

#

o

#

wait

#

u can just go around the worm

outer dew
#

You dont need shroud

#

Si

#

You hug the wall

lavish oracle
#

Yeah, hug the right side wall

outer dew
#

And can skip big boi

oblique garnet
#

Unnecessary complicated routes

outer dew
#

You can SR the high dps bitch in that pack too brw

lavish oracle
#

I pull the big boi with pugs

#

Because I don't trust

#

And every time they pull big boi, they pull worm

outer dew
#

Everyone got different experience in doing things

sick sentinel
#

i think my route is safer

#

if slower

outer dew
#

I prefer skele over slowpulling the guys

sick sentinel
#

but speed is best

outer dew
#

Skeles aren't that dangerous if you SR the shadow spell

sick sentinel
outer dew
#

Oh

#

Not that worm

#

Let me circle

sick sentinel
#

yea idk what you mean

#

cus this has 100%

oblique garnet
#

Thats a good route except youre gonna aggro the worm after 3rd

outer dew
lavish oracle
#

Nah, you can skip that worm after 3rd, late

outer dew
#

I usually eat those

#

But I dont know how keys are anymore with nerf

#

So my % in my head is gonna be off

oblique garnet
#

Yup but do you trust pugs not to pull it?

outer dew
#

Si

#

If you hug and walk proper

sick sentinel
#

ah

#

yeah

#

I've skipped that worm before

#

but I generally don't trust people to

#

last time we tried an azralon priest walked right into the worm

lavish oracle
#

They're normally fine, like maybe 1 in 10 pugs aggro it

#

1 in 10 groups, that is

outer dew
#

Side note

#

Really like the pen that comes with this phone

#

Can draw on shit easily

lavish oracle
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Using a note?

oblique garnet
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Carrying explosives on you? ๐Ÿ˜ฑ

outer dew
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Yeap

lavish oracle
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Noice

outer dew
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Picked up a note on black Friday

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Thought I wasn't gonna use the pen

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Like it quite a bit

sick sentinel
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ok cool

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this route seems ok

outer dew
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Makes drawing shit easier and highlighting text a breeze

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Show

sick sentinel
oblique garnet
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I wouldnt recommend playing the platform on fortified weeks

sick sentinel
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what do you mean

oblique garnet
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It hurts

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Alot

sick sentinel
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what platform

oblique garnet
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Before first

sick sentinel
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I don't understand what you mean by playing it

oblique garnet
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Skip it with invis or something

outer dew
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Check the % for a route for me weep

sick sentinel
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the one with befouled?

hot locust
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Not that big a deal until like 18+ @oblique garnet

oblique garnet
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I guess

sick sentinel
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this one is just for a 10

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D: