Press revenge too many times
#protection
steady dragon
i cant even do dps as this class feelsbad
uneven mason
wat
steady dragon
avatar is hard button to remember to press
stark sage
oof
steady dragon
need to fix my WA
outer dew
Hard button
uneven mason
yatta
outer dew
Reee
chilly brook
Oof
steady dragon
it takes up a globul
chilly brook
That might explain part of your problem with CDs lol
outer dew
Very easy to remember pre nerf to DC
chilly brook
Avatar literally feeds AM
oblique garnet
@outer dew pushing key LUL
steady dragon
but for some reason avatar dissapears when its off cd
chilly brook
Which cuts your defensive CDs short of a faster CD if you’re not using it
outer dew
@oblique garnet bruh, since I'm not home I got pushed out of top 50 world smh
Server #1 got stolen
@daring marlin oi
Why you let this prae sit #1
Letting him steal my #1
oblique garnet
Im getting pushed out by these people who use their warrior alts to do keys with established groups 😪
Meanwhile my group is fucking playing atlas
steady dragon
atlas looool
chilly brook
Lmao who would play that failure of an asset flip
TBH I think it says more about WoW than anything that people would rather play a sloppy and lazy reskin of ark
oblique garnet
They only play atlas because they were diehard ark fans
chilly brook
TBH what a stupid game, the character creation alone is enough for me to never buy it
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, I was gonna ask if Atlas was any good it just looked like a basic af survival/builder
uneven mason
so I have to recruit a whole new crew
lavish oracle
I thought everyone was over those games like 2 years ago
chilly brook
Like the fact that they let you make deformed characters is immersion breaking to say the least
daring marlin
@outer dew I DO NOT CARE
chilly brook
I’m like 3 levels away from capping on my monk and then I’ll start healing you 🙃
uneven mason
Oh I probably still have a healer
who is a monk
but my DPS
are all like "We want to run with the BDK"
I think they all just got upset
cause I kept doing more damage
may as well roll Elemental shaman
oblique garnet
We want to run with bdk is a sentence my group never said to me
uneven mason
I think they really just wanted a tank that wouldn't make them look bad on damage
lavish oracle
That seems weird, unless you're pushing 19's BDK is only very slightly better
chilly brook
Tbh I just wanna enjoy the game again
lavish oracle
even in 19s it's dungeon dependent, now
uneven mason
(was a joke)
chilly brook
And I’m thinking going a healer is a decent way to shake things up
lavish oracle
Rough
chilly brook
Mac isn’t the BDK in your guild not even pushing high keys??
uneven mason
he's doing like 15s right now
I have a standing bet that as soon as I get the free time I'll pass him up in Raiderio
chilly brook
What were you doing?
chilly brook
Ah
chilly brook
If I’m being honest I wanna cap my shaman
oblique garnet
These holiday times are killing me i have to help like half of the guild do their weekly 10s etc since im the only tank available atm
chilly brook
And heal on my shaman
chilly brook
But I feel like everyone will be like “gross, resto? Never taking that to m+”
uneven mason
I actually don't mind resto shamans in M+
lavish oracle
Late - be like me and have your whole guild go on break until the next patch 😢
warm plinth
Do they still have that totem that doesn't actually count as a battle rez? Or can you not use that in M+?
uneven mason
their changes to chainheal this patch are helping
chilly brook
TBH I personally think they have the best toolkit of any healer
oblique garnet
You can use ankh yes
lavish oracle
I think Resto is useable after the patch? Still not meta
warm plinth
Nah I mean ancestral protection totem or w/e
oblique garnet
Oh yeah i think they do
uneven mason
its a Bres last I recall
chilly brook
They got a pretty hefty buff in 8.1 iirc
warm plinth
Oh okay. I remember in the end of Legion it wasn't being classed as a brez in terms of the CD
lavish oracle
It still seems like a coin toss any time I PUG with a resto shaman, they're either really good or absolute garbage
uneven mason
oh hey
lavish oracle
with like no in between
uneven mason
their IV guide is triggering though
Its like "Take whatever fucking talents you want, I don't care enough"
chilly brook
Resto is like the prot warrior of healers
uneven mason
literally all but 2 are green checks
warm plinth
Where would you put a +10 at in terms of difficulty compared to like the end of Legion? I haven't done M+ yet so I'm trying to figure out what to expect. I've done a few like low level keys (like +4s), and they felt super easy for the most part.
lavish oracle
Prot is meta now, though
uneven mason
"Prot is meta"
chilly brook
+10 is like a +15 at the end of legion
chilly brook
Not entirely too difficult
chilly brook
But people still have an affinity for messing it up
oblique garnet
Worldcrusher youre like what 385+?
chilly brook
Yea
warm plinth
Nah dude, my prot is a fresh 120 😂
chilly brook
15s weren’t very hard at the end
modern brook
Anything sub 10 was a joke in legion
chilly brook
But people had an affinity for messing them up
uneven mason
Prot isn't even going to notice damage in +s until you get to 10
warm plinth
Yeah 15s were pretty easy at the end of Legion
uneven mason
even at like 340ilvl
warm plinth
I have a 355 DH that I was thinking about doing some keys on while I gear my prot though
uneven mason
we're bricks
warm plinth
Havoc
chilly brook
Your biggest problem in +10s is gonna be DPS dying to stupid stuff
warm plinth
Yeah I was gonna do all the dungeons on my DH first so I can learn routes and shit. I don't like doing those fresh in keys on a tank.
uneven mason
I was doing a 12 AD and the healer died
and my health hadn't dropped in the entire time it took him to run back
but the DPS were almost all dead.
rather they were almost dead - all of them
like monk rolled back in and hit that revival thingy cause the DPS were all like sub 20%
keen galleon
Also especially on fortified weeks identity casters.
If your groups are bad about interrupting you will seriously notice
warm plinth
Yeah that's all just typical M+ PUG shit. I'm used to that from Legion.
lavish oracle
Honestly, just keep doing low keys for a while, (I find +7 is the best for practice because you get both of the non-seasonal affixes) and learn the routes
warm plinth
Though there is definitely a lot more shit that needs interrupting in this expansion.
lavish oracle
I find other tank's routes can be really hit or miss, like 1 in 10 times I run as DPS I learn a new trick, and like 5 in 10 times they just pull the weirdest shit
warm plinth
Yeah, I usually do a combination of DPSing keys with other tanks, and watching video of more skilled people on youtube.
lavish oracle
Watching tanks like Sense and Darkee are definitely a good way to learn
Although even then you have to take some of their routing with a grain of salt because they're running with pre-established groups of very skilled players
you won't be able to pull off half the tricks they pull with PUGs
warm plinth
Yeah, and I won't need to pull the gigantic packs they pull sometimes in a +10 either haha
daring marlin
good guy sense 🤡
keen galleon
I don't really agree with hanging at +7. Imho push to +10 as fast as possible
The playerbase is baaaaad at +7
You develop bad habits.
daring marlin
The playerbase is bad at 10
crystal creek
oh man I tried to pug a +7 yesterday. it was awful.
lavish oracle
The player base is bad
uneven mason
pugging 10s 🤢
supple path
Yeah, the difficulty level on lower keys actually stays static from like 5 -> 10 on average because of just how much worse the players you're dealing with are.
At least in my experiences
uneven mason
I had a +2 siege that I was charity tanking
warm plinth
I'll just buy carries from you guys. 4 prot carries
supple path
I failed on timing a +5 siege the other day because the dps just stood in ALL THE THINGS
like half the pulls were me + the healer duoing stuff.
lavish oracle
I find I can pretty much single-handedly carry anything below 10 as long as it isn't necrotic so they're nice to just practice certain things on
uneven mason
If I go into the dregs of society
and teach
they may too, one day, aspire to not die to everyt mechanic, and the player base as a whole
lavish oracle
I like blessing lower keys 😄
uneven mason
becoems better
crystal creek
I had dps getting hit by the maddening fear thing in UR (while I was back against the wall) one was a warlock.
uneven mason
making more +10s available to me.
warm plinth
Your optimism, while naive as fuck, is inspiring Mac.
supple path
The hardest thing in this game is to try to explain spotters to your +5 azralonian siege pug.
crystal creek
aka Parry Mason.
uneven mason
Its a dream one day
that I shall not need Parry Mason
and that all little newblets will not need to be told that the GIANT FUCKING ORANGE CIRCLE IS GOING TO KILL YOU
warm plinth
I do the same shit though (well, did in Legion). It's actually kinda cathartic wasting time in a low key to teach people mechanics.
uneven mason
😡
I can only maintain composure for so long
I am a warrior after all, we have rage issues
supple path
I like late night drunk (if they're lucky...) pugging where I just identify the group that's been waiting the absolute longest for a tank, regardless of key level.
uneven mason
mind you I tanked that +2 on my druid
supple path
There's your problem. Druids can't handle +2s.
uneven mason
last time I got dragged into a +2 on Mac I specced CT and just ran through the dungeon (it was AD) hitting Thunderclap and that was it
Oh I about solo'd that +2
daring marlin
Every pug I do makes me hate people more. I was in a 10TD on my lock and the leader wouldn’t invite a 379 DH with a 1600 io on his BDK main.
uneven mason
on my druid
daring marlin
because we need bdk
crystal creek
oh that reminds me i was in SoB +6 and the giants fear, DH is yelling "YOU NEED TO LOS THOSE!" nah man I can literally back pedal out of this.
uneven mason
the giants fear now has a range limitation
it used to be literally "the entire zone"
crystal creek
ya, a very small one
main vault
It has a graphic
crystal creek
like 10 yards.
main vault
Yeah it’s not big
uneven mason
first time I did diege
supple path
you can keyboard turn so you're facing the wrong direction and THEN backpedal out of it now
uneven mason
siege- I was repsawning at the cannon lady boss place
lavish oracle
Oh yeah, if people are just passing up good players in queue for really specific shit in a 10, I just leave, lol
uneven mason
and got feared by a giant at the building
daring marlin
We did.
crystal creek
he was still hiding behind walls even on the last one and complaining he could dps because I wasn't LoSing..
couldn't.
daring marlin
He kept not inviting quality players cuz they weren’t bdks lol
main vault
Tbf having 1600 io doesn’t mean they were good
supple path
it means they can handle a goddamn 10
daring marlin
Thankfully I finally got a fuse so I can chill on TD
supple path
Okay, in 99.99999% of cases it means that
uneven mason
I Mean, a 379 DH
supple path
but there is the one secret player out there who got carried and managed to avoid learning anything whatsoever
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's pretty closely correlated
uneven mason
Also at 1600
daring marlin
If you think someone isn’t a quality player at 1600 I’m not sure what you think is.
uneven mason
you're not going to get carried to 1600
warm plinth
After all, if the score means nothing, why would we use it anyway?
lavish oracle
Like, being a BDK doesn't magically mean you can handle a 10, either
uneven mason
its pretty much impossible to get carried to 1600
because that means you've timered at least 16s in most dungeons
main vault
Not all of us use the score
uneven mason
well 15s
main vault
It’s not end all be all
supple path
Sure. It's just the single best piece of info available.
uneven mason
but in general I don't look at the score
daring marlin
I feel like Nexii is a troll.
daring marlin
LOL
uneven mason
Nexii is opinionated
main vault
No, just because I don’t blindly follow a number doesn’t mean I’m a troll
uneven mason
I just go "are they BR? no< fantastic"
daring marlin
ragnaros? nopenopenope
supple path
You can't just go by server, you need to crossref it vs name
uneven mason
Gallywix?
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's almost impossible to get carried to 1600 as a tank, there so much more onus on the tank in most scenarios
supple path
"Bob of Ragnaros" is fine. "Edgeidan of Mal'Ganis" is to be avoided under all circumstances.
uneven mason
Ragnaros is a BR server
daring marlin
The score is one of the best metrics you can look at.
supple path
A decent number of Rag players speak fine english
uneven mason
I've never had a good experience with a BR server group
warm plinth
Who said we blindly follow the number? The number is a good at-a-glance measurement. There are definitely other things to take into consideration but if your score clearly shows you can do +15s in time and I'm inviting for a +10, then I know I'm making a pretty well-educated decision.
crystal creek
Quel hurts me too (sorry if we have any here)
supple path
You just can't join a full BR group
uneven mason
quel
main vault
I won’t lie, I will auto decline Ragnaros
uneven mason
yeah that ones bad too
full BR parties will boot you as you pull the last boss
"for kicks"
supple path
If they're a class I'm aiming for I'll send them a tell asking some random ass question.
Because the real question is "can you understand and reply to this"
lavish oracle
I don't mind PUGging people from Azralon or Rag, I'm just wary of premades from them because it's really hard to coordinate CCs and interrupts if no one else speaks english
warm plinth
I feel like everyone on Ragnaros and Quel'thalas bought their score.
supple path
I need to get some macros with canned BR phrases about CC targets or something.
Also, come on WoW, get your shit together, FFXI had a built-in translator function over 10 years ago
Which was so convenient and easy to use people used it instead of normal typing even in same-english groups.
daring marlin
Here’s a funny story. I was doing a TD the other day. I think it was a +11? This absolute retard Ele Shaman did less damage than the tank and was basically afking half the time. I genuinely don’t understand why they were invited. They had never completed a 10 this expac.
The best part? They were linking raid achievements calling me bad(when I have better current progression lol?)
Like old raid achievements
They were SUPER washed
lavish oracle
lol
crystal creek
Defeated Yogg Saron 12/05/2018
lavish oracle
Woulda kicked them before the last boss
warm plinth
I'll never understand shitty DPS being invited. It's not like there's a shortage of DPS applicants.
daring marlin
I’d post their r.io but I wouldn’t wanna get in trouble rofl
Bro
They bitched that the tank pulled the last boss without them
cuz they were slowly typing
LOL
warm plinth
Then again, people invite me to things 🙃
lavish oracle
Were they getting carried or...?
Like, did they pay for it or were they a friend of the group lead or something?
supple path
Generally it's because the group leader isn't running io and goes purely off ilvl
daring marlin
I wish the rogue would’ve kicked them
lavish oracle
Still, if they're toxic af and pulling shit numbers, it'll just make the dungeon easier if you kick 'em lol
Would rather 4-man it than 4.5-man it with someone talking shit the whole time
daring marlin
Yep
when I pointed out that they hadn’t even completed a 10 they were just like lol who cares about m+ anyway
THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE LOL
daring marlin
epic
supple path
God, the people who think they're too cool for the content you're doing with them are just the worst, every time.
primal crypt
explain
daring marlin
🤡
uneven mason
that was a lot of typing for a clown
primal crypt
lmao
uneven mason
That sounds like a good idea
I've been torn between my horde paladin or my horde monk
and I think I'll go with the paladin cause their artifacts are just better looking
silk moat
Azerite Veins or Blood Siphon?
uneven mason
AV generally, I Mean, it'll account for more healing over a fight
crystal creek
I like veins, when it works, it really works.
uneven mason
but its RNG
so it can trigger when your at 98% health
and heal you for 1 tick
or it ca trigger when you're at 20% health
and save your bacon in a M+
gilded arch
alrighty
havin' a tough time keeping aggro
Thought this might be because I'm level 19
daring marlin
av yuck
main vault
At 19 you dont have anything good
keen galleon
Hey that reminds me. I skipped 90% of legion. Can I still grind artifact xmogs?
Cuz some are fucking rad.
daring marlin
everything but mage tower
crystal creek
Artifacts gotta be both.
gilded arch
What level do ya think I'll start gettin' better stuff
gilded arch
pfff
sick sentinel
You'll get better at "stuff", when you start getting better
daring marlin
You expect INR to read what he said!?!?!?!? 🤣
gilded arch
Pah hah
But aye, ain't that the truth
Hell I have a Brewmaster and haven't even touched a dungeon with him
My Prot Warrior is the first
Surprisingly the BM is level 65
But so far, I'm enjoying it. I can keep maybe two mobs on my, while a third tends to slink away toward the DPS
But if I do get better, I can definitely keep 'em on me
brazen aspen
why are some warriors using Bastion of Might for mythic+?
sturdy sable
meme aoe dps
brazen aspen
why it is listed as bottom tier on icy?
round raptor
is devastator as bad as guides says? cause i hate hitting devaste allthetime.
crystal creek
Possibly because it's more DPS related than survival.
main vault
If you read further it tells you why it is ranked there
round raptor
if i wanted to read, i would roll a mage
primal crypt
brazen aspen
I wish there were separate lists for raiding and mythic+ and for dps and survivability for azerite traits
round raptor
but seriously, the icyveins guide just says that devastator is bad for rage regen, not sure if that implies its good for somethingelse.
zinc mauve
ST dps
brazen aspen
icy and wowhead don't even agree on all azerite stuff for warriors
main vault
Well no, since that is the rage regen row
round raptor
makes sense i guess
havent checked wowhead guide. will take a look
yeah, wowheadguide explains better about devastator.
thanks for the info qq
round raptor
yeah, from the looks of it. guess its just "Okay" if you want one less button to press.
primal crypt
If you don't use Booming Voice, you are hurting yourself.
primal crypt
tl;dr, dont use Devastator, use Booming Voice
you have two rows only that are choices, talent line 2 and talent line 5.
That's about it
round raptor
haha
yeah, they killed old talents so we can have more choice, right.
riiiiiiight
daring marlin
lul
spare viper
is there any good resources to learn m+ tanking as a prot warr like a steamer or youtube channel
oblique garnet
PogChamp 15k overall dps in 19
silk mortar
Niice
primal crypt
pog
daring marlin
late bringing the 🔥
quiet crane
sick sentinel
that is what I was thinking as well
pop it during avatar
have some fat claps
DC and double BoM as well
If u have the 385 alchu trinket use since it helps with using health pots
spice musk
i love rezan because for me it has 60% uptime and has so much haste its higly overbudget
main vault
His is different
primal crypt
why is his different >.<
main vault
Idk he said for him
primal crypt
...
Average is like 18%
with really good movement through packs, 20%~
good cadence
main vault
Maybe he confused it with Construct?
oblique garnet
Damn scuffed 20 & 19 td
primal crypt
how bad?
oblique garnet
20 went badly before jes howler so we just resetted and went to do 19 and on 19 we forgot bobbys fear and it overlapped with the jes daggers
Almost 2 chested the 18 tho
Got carried hard by good players tho
delicate flower
Is there a weak aura that will only pop up when berserkers rage is useful? Because it's not breaking me free of some effects it seems
oblique garnet
It doesnt work on polymorphs but i dont think there are other abilities that its not usable on
delicate flower
Im just leveling and tried to hit it on a few effects in WOTLK
delicate flower
agreed, I had hoped there was a way to make a WA that only popped up when it would actually break the CC that was on me, but the more I look at it the less I think it would work
oblique garnet
Rip
shut sun
press f to pay respects
dapper sky
daring marlin
good meme bro
oblique garnet
Wait
You can skip basically all the trash in start of siege if you go from horde side to alliance one
lavish oracle
Is there a practical application of that?
oblique garnet
Yes
lavish oracle
Oh actually, if you pull every white mob you can just about make up the %, nvm
thought you'd end up pulling monkey packs
oblique garnet
You can make the % ez on siege anyways
lavish oracle
Yeah, just didn't seem worth it if you were skipping easy packs and making up the % on harder packs but you don't even really have to make up the %
Or rather you just kill the big white packs with the spotter
oblique garnet
^
sweet pike
God I hate bolstering
lavish oracle
I can't tell if they patched the jump or I'm just really bad at it 🤔
oblique garnet
Bolstering with infested is the qorst
sweet pike
a fucking bolstered saurid from AD jumped and killed dps
oblique garnet
I think you need dh to do it
sick sentinel
Welcome to push week
lavish oracle
Oh, never mind, I just suck at it
charred prawn
lavish oracle
Okay, yeah, the skip is trivial on DH
oblique garnet
So basically what you can do is have your dh jump up there have the dh go into 2 person mount like vial of the sands have the healer get up there and rest go die in the water and the healer mass resses you
lavish oracle
Eh, could probably just have everyone climb up the 2 seater
sick sentinel
What skip is this?
lavish oracle
Beginning of siege
oblique garnet
Thats one way
sick sentinel
The fuck?
lavish oracle
oblique garnet
Yeah so basically you can jump up from the horde side start to allince aide
And theres no mobs
lavish oracle
Take that, Alliance! with your OP dungeon racials
sick sentinel
Wait the alliance has a different entrance?
lavish oracle
Yeah, they start above where horde does
oblique garnet
Yes
sick sentinel
Of course the weak babies would
God, first a child for a leader and now this shit
I know they want more people Alli but damn
oblique garnet
wait
lavish oracle
I don't play alliance but it looks like their mob pulls are harder?
oblique garnet
If you do the same thing on alliance side
sick sentinel
Unless they have adds at their start, then fine
oblique garnet
Will there be mobs underneath?🤔
lavish oracle
MDT says there will be
How long do you think it'll take them to patch in the mob spawns up top after people start using the skip?
lavish oracle
Truth
limpid pawn
I've got a really sick weakaura for prot, anyone wanna try it out and give me some feedback?
lusty grotto
the dream boys
oblique garnet
Smh every day i gain some score so do the other prot warriors
oblique garnet
Im not even being mean
Like i got to rank 24 today when i quit and now im dropped again
At this rate i will never beat sense
lusty grotto
my goal is to be #2 in the server
oblique garnet
Why not #1?
lusty grotto
i dont know if i can push #1 with my team
ty
#1 is 2200 in my server @oblique garnet lol
karmic pagoda
Hey hows prot warrior in PVP? Im assuming theyre not viable
oblique garnet
Why wouldnt they be
warm plinth
@limpid pawn DM it to me; I'll try it when I get off work.
tight tree
@karmic pagoda Pretty much non viable. Only fun thing about prot PvP is Dragon Charge in EotS and AB, or any sort of heights in world PvP. Well-placed DC can kick off whole alliance group in EOTS flag spot.
Other than that, anything prot can do, Arms/Fury can do better.
karmic pagoda
I figured. From my very little pvp experience with tanks I gathered that tanks arent viable, so I guess I gotta grind out fury gear then
But thanks for taking the time to answer :D
valid needle
Need some help. Comparing 2 pairs of shoulders and im wondering what to go for
The pair i currently have equipped has DC - OP - Protection. The other has Blood Rite/Iron Fortress - AV - Protection. Let me just point out that i have 1 trait of DC in a piece already
Should i go for the other piece cause of AV?
Im also wondering if Blood Rite is a better trait than Iron Fortress
wary badger
Anyone else have their Avatar Spell cast set with a JoJo reference?
oblique garnet
@valid needle Can you link your full combo of gear that you have
oblique garnet
Not on pc rn
oblique garnet
Mostly your traits and which pieces you have on which
I can hop on to my pc tho wont take more than a minute
oblique garnet
Aight watchu got
valid needle
Gear wise?
oblique garnet
yeah im on in wow aswell if you want to link there
valid needle
375 Honorbound Centurion's Greathelm
370 C'thraxxi Binders Pauldrons
Breastplate of Rezan's Bladeguard
And the piece im wondering about is 370 Bone-Fetished Shoulderplates
Also @oblique garnet let me please add you on Bnet so i can spam you there instead of here in the future 😂
oblique garnet
Late#2916
valid needle
It's just that Late usually answers me while the rest ignores me : (
valid needle
Alright so
We looked at the haste numbers in the beginning
Late has 1563 haste while i only had 583. So i thought Blood Rite could be great to reduce the CD on Shield Block
So is it worth for me if im at a low haste % to go for Blood Rite? Hard to say since my other option is IF which is passively giving me damage and being defensive aswell
But the difference in haste was about 2 seconds on Shield Block
feral cypress
@limpid pawn I'm always looking for new WAs
chilly brook
So here's a question @oblique garnet dunno if you know but if I have exalted with the honorbound but faction change on another character would I need to get 7th legion or w/e to exalted to get DID?
valid needle
No you don't
chilly brook
@valid needle I'd go with IF tbh
wide girder
still 375 shield is better than 370+s?
valid needle
@chilly brook i think IF is gonna help me aswell but
chilly brook
So I could faction change my shaman to alliance and then grind out to 120 and then do the DID quest right away?
valid needle
It's a worth while topic since in my case ill be having 4 seconds downtime overall cause of SB cd
oblique garnet
@chilly brook You would still need to grind the rep exalted unless the character you change is exalted with honorbound/7th legion
chilly brook
4 seconds of downtime is fairly negligible imo
ionic fern
@chilly brook i did it recently..i had Exalted with 7th Legion on one of my chars..i faction changed my druid and diddn't have honorbound exalted.
tight tree
@karmic pagoda Only tanks in demand in PvP now is Vengeance for carrying flags in RBGs and somewhat, prot paladins in some 2v2/3v3 arena comps. Very scummy in both cases and i wish they would be tuned down.
ionic fern
So gotta farm it
valid needle
@chilly brook i think it can be very scary to be open for 4 seconds
It might not be an issue at all
And since im not 380+++ I won't be pushing keys but rather be farming gear
chilly brook
It just depends on the situation
oblique garnet
however if you change your character which has exalted rep you can just grind the warcampaign and do the DID questline
chilly brook
On Mythic Fetid for example 4 seconds of downtime is scary
valid needle
I think if im in a 15++ It could kill me
chilly brook
Anything else? Not so much as long as you have a good healer
@oblique garnet That's another $30 on top of the 55 I'll essentially be spending for a faction change and a server transfer
What are the good alliance realms again?
oblique garnet
No clue on NA
valid needle
Wasn't Area 52 one of them
tight tree
I don't like downtime on warrior. Cant afford on mythic bosses 😉
nova gale
I just noticed that Bolster says "causes you to block all melee attacks"
I wonder if that is intended or that they just forgot to change that talent
steady fiber
Hi guys, how is m+ week? Hard, ez?
summer kestrel
Ez
ionic fern
Pull smart (enemies with similar HP) or be ready to focus down one high HP target that's surrounded by low HP ones ( think birds in AD)
Best you can do is hope the DH in your group which you will have anyways will not eyebeam that pack.
zinc mauve
if you pull a big boy with tons of small mobs, try to CC the big boy and pull the other bitches away, alternatively, get a tanky bitch to get aggro on the big boy and pull them both away
your best choice is always better planning though, since if something isnt in combat with you it wont get bolstered even if it's in range
in same cases, killing all the small boys and then the big boy (think freehold rats) can actually yield a mob that has more hp than some bosses
with damage to boot
ionic fern
Dark iron?
old zephyr
With à good team this week is a non affix week,
chilly brook
@ionic fern nah don't have them unlocked and wasn't willing to faction change my warrior to unlock them
This character will probably become a Kul Tiran anyways
summer kestrel
Because they are the best looking shaman
chilly brook
Yo real talk, I feel like Alliance actually has a way better story and characters rn
@oblique garnet because I don’t like space goats
old zephyr
Then go for space squids =)
chilly brook
Like I said Kul Tiran is the end game for this toon
Wadu hek there is definitely a story going on for the Alliance in this xpac
Far more interesting than the hordes tbh
chilly brook
Dare I say from the opening scenario that Manduin is an actually good leader?
oblique garnet
Have you actually played through the hordes warcampaign?
chilly brook
Yes
ionic fern
He's too much of a softie for my liking.
copper pewter
Hey guys, I'm terrible at choosing which rings are better, any advice on which to use out of these three?
jade socket
2nd and 3rd
tulip pond
The ones with sockets
copper pewter
Brilliant, thank you!
old zephyr
Yeah no doubt on that
astral crystal
@chilly brook Sargeras, Proudmoore, Stormrage, Whisperwind, Kel’Thuzad though its been emptied out
@chilly brook also not sure if you’ve checked yet, but get in the recruitment and community discord, you can look at guild recruitment posts and their respective servers
narrow nest
Hi guys! Is Bastion of Might stronger than Archive of the Titans?
narrow nest
All right, thanks mate
rough egret
Archíve shines in uldir, m+ decent
old zephyr
I think It's à bad idea =)
Trash is 500k Damage
If you take regular 125k hits on top of that you better have CD or external Rolling to not die
uneven mason
@eager hollow I don't think its up to the other tank to not have the BDK die, I mean, they can self sustain right?
👏
old zephyr
It does but it Will kill you
eager hollow
ye i was just getting flamed cuz i let the dk die and others when we didnt have cr apparently 🤷
good to know atleast
old zephyr
You can offtank it
daring marlin
No idea why you say it'll kill you either.
oblique garnet
but youre gonna pull aggro if you do
old zephyr
But you still better off mting
The tharsh Will hit you for 625k Damage if you intercepté it
Then you gonna yake à brunch of regular 125k hits
daring marlin
He'd just block it.
sick sentinel
how does safeguard actually work, do you take the full next hit from the intercept + 30% damage for 6 sec or does it change the dynamic of intercept to just be 30% transfer for 6 sec
old zephyr
First melee you6take full
sick sentinel
Ah ok
sick sentinel
actually insanely strong wtf
daring marlin
there would be zero reason for you to safeguard
old zephyr
If the healer can not top the bdk up between two thrash they Will not be able to top you off if you take ALL THE DAMAGE your self prot is amazing, but still
uneven mason
because you're taking 30% of the damage they take (Which is literally 115% of what we normally take)
WTB the old version of safeguard
Vigilence I think it was called
sick sentinel
its rough for BDK now with the armor nerf, it was actually a massive DR hit it's spicey for them, they have to be topped during the enrage for every hit
daring marlin
vigilance didn't work like that
oblique garnet
What ilvl are you ?
uneven mason
Vigilance was literally "heres a 30% DR, taunt has no CD"
old zephyr
Let him maintank and7take the tharsh then
oblique garnet
MT takes more damage
old zephyr
If he get instagibbed by thé trash he6get instagibbed
oblique garnet
he wont
old zephyr
You are better mantanking but if pesants bdk can't handle thrash...
uneven mason
WoD Vigilence
old zephyr
If the healers suck they suck =)
uneven mason
which got changed to Safeguard in Legion
sick sentinel
wtb vigil back ;_;
uneven mason
I played resto shaman
after the SNAFU with Gladiator
where they basically nerfed the 1 spec that was worth using (Prot, for DPS)
and left the other 3 to wallow in a pile of shit until mid BRF
then I went back to Fury
sick sentinel
I still think they removed glad because of artifacts
daring marlin
Wou;d be fine if it was a spec and not a talent.
sick sentinel
yep
old zephyr
We still put deeps to shame on the meter though
uneven mason
How do you take a tank, and then make them NOT TANKY tie all their damage to 1 ability, but make it so they can't burst someoen to death in 3 GCDs in PVP
Like
orignial Gladiator was the most fun I had since WOTLK ArP/SBV capping
after that first round of nerfs though
warrior was in the worst situation it had ever been
Prot couldn't tank, Fury and arms did less damage than the Bear tanks
sick sentinel
oh god the old 3.2 block value shield slam bombs...
sick sentinel
I was mowing down frost mages on the line
when charge/intercept/intervene was breaking all roots
uneven mason
"They're still hitting me" THUNK 48,447 Shield slam" Honor Kill (Scout)
daring marlin
I liked hitting people for half their health with a single shockwave.
DPS gear prot warrior was absoluely hilarious in Wrath.
uneven mason
ahh the good ole days
yeah I tanked all of ICC in my ARP SBV gear
I was just like
sick sentinel
I fat fingered shackwave once and killed some random rogue sneaking around me in AV
uneven mason
making the healers carry me while I Did more damage than most DPS
I guess
kind've like now
👍
sick sentinel
well... now we're beefy
sick sentinel
old zephyr
We are the ones who carry healers6now2
tulip pond
Well with MoP vengeance tanks were beefy and topped damage (and healing if you were a paladin) :P
sick sentinel
I was in awe when guildie rather took BDK for Atal Dazar 12 "because of skittish"
uneven mason
Warriors still topped DPS, solo tank Garrosh
tulip pond
It was glorious still
uneven mason
Literally wat?
sick sentinel
yesterday
uneven mason
"Skittish - I Want the tank that does NO damage"
old zephyr
What
astral crystal
mass grip bruh :Y))))
uneven mason
I can understand VDH
old zephyr
What
uneven mason
mass grip - but not mass taunt
sick sentinel
I just did manor 12 instead...
uneven mason
gotta be like and taunt with your balls
sick sentinel
this stigma is getting boring
old zephyr
Vdh is the tank that takes 0 Damage.
Because if they do, they die
oblique garnet
Schooled some boomkin in fh earlier today
uneven mason
I mean, VDH for aggro
sick sentinel
I'm gonna laugh in S2 and dazar raid when our true power emerges
uneven mason
they're the only other tank that comes close to Prot warriors
sick sentinel
what is taunt ?
uneven mason
for D P S
oblique garnet
After the dungeon goes ”huh warrior new meta” ”this was a hard pill to swallow”
sick sentinel
3x BOM = top dps in m+, x3 BFI = top dps in raids
well maybe not that raids part but still
oblique garnet
3x BoM 2x BFI one DC
sick sentinel
literal god
old zephyr
I got so many friends invites lately
oblique garnet
Even for raids
old zephyr
Because il crushed dungeons
uneven mason
2x IF if you want M+ damage
over BFI
BFI is defensively stronger
IF is better for trash damage though
sick sentinel
I got 12 shrine key today... I hate that bullshit dungeon 😦
uneven mason
BFI is ST
oblique garnet
Its gonna be fine
sick sentinel
3x bfi at 3 stacks sounds grossly OP
oblique garnet
3x BoM and 2x Bfi + 1 dc is overall better since you will do more boss damage
primal crypt
@oblique garnet how did those big boy keys go?
old zephyr
I had shrine 12,missed it by 1 min Because the deeps overpulled and bolstered a miniboss
primal crypt
Went to sleep early
oblique garnet
Big boi keys with jay?
daring marlin
man you're all smol brained
sick sentinel
I'm thinking running 3x bom in raids just for the lulz
daring marlin
just talking about outer rings!!!
oblique garnet
Almost 2 chested 19 fh did some fucked up pulls on 20 tol
oblique garnet
Soon
sick sentinel
I finally have some time to start pushing m+ instead of scrapping 10 key every tuesday night D:
old zephyr
FH never cease to amaze me.
4 packs with 2 g'huun ?
Bigpull that shit anyway
oblique garnet
I saw the current rank 1 warrior doing some keys with musclebrah
Idk why but he seemed to take so much damage
old zephyr
His healer trusted him and went dps Maybe
oblique garnet
russian letters
primal crypt
Dude was getting trucked
oblique garnet
He couldnt the healer was complaining about it
old zephyr
Maybe be had 
primal crypt
More times than I could count
And his healer came with him as a pair
Same io score
daring marlin
Hope you guys are looking forward to the new raid and more asserite! If your goal is specific pieces of shit you're gonna need to pick from the dungeon pool lol
sick sentinel
everyones used to playing with bdks so healers aren't use to having to actually heal tanks
tbh buying rng tokens might be more worth it ?
daring marlin
I'll be buying rng tokens
oblique garnet
Rng tokens will be worth more next tier
primal crypt
My logic was they're going to up the drop rate of residuum
daring marlin
it's like 4x the cost for the specific
sick sentinel
I bought shoulders and got BFI... exactly what I wanted
sick sentinel
yep
sick sentinel
isn't specific one like 5x the price of rng ?
daring marlin
fury is in a good spot when it comes to traits
oblique garnet
We need one dc
daring marlin
the only trait that's really far ahead
primal crypt
But dps will need all traits anyway, blizz be changing the trait strength every week
daring marlin
is UF
and that's a one and done
so if they get one with that on their gear
the rest of their traits other than IF are amazing
daring marlin
unbridled ferocity
daring marlin
that's the only above and beyond fury trait
primal crypt
Clap
primal crypt
Only need one of them?
daring marlin
all of their traits are legit
ideally yes
more than one is kinda shit
better to have a SR over a second UF
sick sentinel
tbh Warriors have pretty good traits on all 3 specs
primal crypt
By accident actually
primal crypt
Prot traits are best
Bom for days
I just want late's trinket
So bad
On use mastery
HNGGGG
sick sentinel
my trinkets are dogshit :<
oblique garnet
primal crypt
ever
oblique garnet
Tortollan bby
sick sentinel
380 vectis and veiled eye D:
primal crypt
NA has yet to see one
sick sentinel
vectis one is good tho
primal crypt
Gold and ap
oblique garnet
Its simple
daring marlin
veiled eye? what ilvl?
primal crypt
For the past 4-5 emissary
sick sentinel
380
oblique garnet
EU>NA
primal crypt
Lel
sick sentinel
I use 370 one from arathi world boss
sick sentinel
at least for m+
daring marlin
yuck
uneven mason
Crit trinket strong in M+
uneven mason
its not bad in raid either
daring marlin
you are a crazy person
uneven mason
Crit isn't a BAD stat
daring marlin
you may as well use vial
uneven mason
its just RNG
daring marlin
instead
uneven mason
I do use vial
daring marlin
VIAL IS BETTER THAN THAT SHIT LOL
uneven mason
I swap between my trinkets
primal crypt
I mean. You need a good ilvl
uneven mason
depending on what I Need
oblique garnet
Isnt doom 1.5min cd?
sick sentinel
doom is good for dps... Veiled sucks that it's not on use
uneven mason
yeah
primal crypt
But if that's all you have. It's still not a bad one
oblique garnet
Literal garbage
old zephyr
I want high level jes' for dem big pulls
daring marlin
thanks late
oblique garnet
Doesnt lineup with cds at all
daring marlin
hit 'em with the ol' one-two
old zephyr
Well for dem regular prot7warrior pulls
primal crypt
Lmao
primal crypt
Doom is good
uneven mason
thats Lion's
oblique garnet
Im not saying crit is bad
daring marlin
Lion's is bad
primal crypt
Ahahahaha
primal crypt
Sassy morning
sick sentinel
crit is life dude
daring marlin
HOW ABOUT THAT
primal crypt
oblique garnet
Yamo are you hyped about next week
oblique garnet
Gutripper
uneven mason
gutripper
sick sentinel
good
primal crypt
@oblique garnet I'd be hype if I could push
oblique garnet
Tyrannical teeming volcanic
primal crypt
Shit tier warrior cant even break 1600 right now
Im pretty close to 1500 though
Gonna grab that this week
sick sentinel
I'm 999 :<
primal crypt
At the very least
sick sentinel
literally garbage
oblique garnet
I think i can be able to get to 1.9k this week
primal crypt
Buddy of mine just broke 2k
oblique garnet
On warr?
uneven mason
I mean I use vial, eye, eye(theotherone), Lion's, and voidlash, because i like purple
sick sentinel
any good prot warr streams I can selflessly copy strategies from ?
uneven mason
sense
oblique garnet
Sense
primal crypt
He's a legion 6k player though
uneven mason
Sense top war
primal crypt
Sense
daring marlin
primal crypt
Watch late too
old zephyr
1st prot spot ony server is at 1k3.
I'm so grabbing that
oblique garnet
Sense till i get to rank 1
uneven mason
even though sense played a MEMEDK for MDI
primal crypt
Late streams a bunch
uneven mason
What did you MDI as Late
oblique garnet
Nothing yet
uneven mason
did you play BDK at all in the last 4 months
oblique garnet
Uhh
sick sentinel
I need to get back on track with pushing D:
primal crypt
Late, if I come play on EU as dps warr, lets go to MDI
oblique garnet
On keys?
uneven mason
Yes, on keys
oblique garnet
Only on weekly +10
uneven mason
hmmmmmmmmmmm
oblique garnet
So doesnt count
primal crypt
I played my bdk yesterday in 14 FH
uneven mason
its ok now
primal crypt
Pulled the 5 pack behind the boss
uneven mason
BDK is memebad
uneven mason
I have many pity for BDKs now
uneven mason
1shot by Fetid