protection

[lusty grotto]

every secondary has good defensive value

in general you want a good balance of each with slightly higher haste

that's pretty much it, it should be in the guides in the pins so do make sure you check the IV or Wowhead guide

[surreal tendon]

alright thanks guys, so i guess that makes rezan's eye is good trinket, what about the 2nd trinket, which one is a good one to farm? ive been using the knot of ancient fury with avatar for the burst lol.. the guide i did read them, but i dunno if i should keep using fathoms

[ionic fern]

That's on Icy veins. : z

[lusty grotto]

there's a trinket guide in the pins too

[ionic fern]

I feel like this "Generally speaking, the stat priority should only be followed when comparing gear of the same item level. A piece of gear with a higher item level than what you currently have should be equipped regardless of its secondary stats." Should be at the top of the Stat section not at the bottom. 😂

[lusty grotto]

this is also there:

reading is crucial :p

[ionic fern]

Jeah, i know it's there but lets be honest..people go there..see a list and follow it.

Easy as that.

[lusty grotto]

knot is solid for dps but definitely not stronger than fathoms

what ilvl is it?

[surreal tendon]

385

[lusty grotto]

ok it should be around the same dps

so whichever you want, pretty much

[surreal tendon]

ooo thanks

[lusty grotto]

Rezan and Jes are the best 2 defensive options you can farm

DPS options include Rezan, Gore Encrusted from WM and Vial from underrot

[ionic fern]

I got 380 Veiled / 375 Jes with a Socket and a 375 Rezans..i'm so used to Veils right now that i'm not sure if i should swap it out to run Rezans+Jes or not. 😦

[lusty grotto]

but Knot is high in dps so you probably won't need the rest until they bump up ilvls

i absolutely fucking hate mythrax trinket

it's a meme of sorts around here

my hate for it, that is

[ionic fern]

😂

I mean..it's not that good but idk

[lusty grotto]

i dislike the fact that it pretty much does nothing for you until you fall below 40%

[ionic fern]

Still gives some str

[lusty grotto]

so does every other trinket

[ionic fern]

• it's easier to get at high ilvl due to dropping from raids.

I'll probably start playing with Rezans + Jes tho

[lusty grotto]

rather tell people to get a knot

or even doom's

[ionic fern]

😂

Actually timed it.

[lusty grotto]

you consistently gain more out of a rezan that is constantly procc'ing, even at 370

weird, you shouldn't be falling below 40% on a 13

2 tanks btw?

[ionic fern]

This is another dungeon.

😄

[lusty grotto]

unless your group was the short bus type and got a mob to 7+ stacks of bolstering

[ionic fern]

It was SoB +14 where i fell below 40% hp.

Only recently started playing prot warrior so still got learning to do.

[lusty grotto]

on what part?

i'm thinking... giant?

(the boss)

well i mean

it saved you apparently

but i honestly don't see the point of it

[ionic fern]

After 2nd boss

The poison and shit

We had a priest healer

So couldn't dispell it

[lusty grotto]

ah

just bring those back to the fences and jump it

did they have a lot of bolstering?

[gusty forum]

does anyone have a prot log with bygone bee almanac? or knows how much rage it takes to add a second

[ionic fern]

It was last week.

[lusty grotto]

oh i see

[ionic fern]

Btw @gusty forum did you transfer to Silvermoon or did you just do a shit ton of dungeons last week? 🤔

[gusty forum]

last week

was cba before

and not shit ton just high ones

[lusty grotto]

no idea @gusty forum

[ionic fern]

Ah, aight. Was thinking who you were since you just randomly flew to the top.

😄

[gusty forum]

i've been on sm for a decade

yep pretty random

prot is just fun so playing it

what makes vial so popular?

[lusty grotto]

straight up str

more deeps

bigger IPs

more armor

its a good trinket

for dps, that is

[gusty forum]

i'm really interested in prot up time for bee's

mastery set can be pretty strong in some situations

[lusty grotto]

it could, but since it's BoE i don't think a lot of people have tested it

and since BfD is about to hit, i doubt it will be a contender

[gusty forum]

can't find any zul/zek logs with it and other fights have down time

yeah you're right the jaina trinket and absorb trinket are really good

jaina one is really good dps

[lusty grotto]

jaina trinket might be nerfed for tanks

if it wasn't already

my top 2 from BFD are the refracting prism and the haste one

[gusty forum]

engine has a bug that's pretty cool

it isn't on the shared cooldown list, or wasn't when i tested it

[lusty grotto]

you mean the trinket cd?

[gusty forum]

yes

you can use it with another on use

[lusty grotto]

hmm nice

[gusty forum]

or could in a previous ptr build

[sick sentinel]

trying to get my rogue up to speed and I that is my warrior tank

[quiet crane]

That prism

Does it scale with character effects?

( don’t do math)

Ping me please if anyone knows

[prisma viper]

How do I quickly downgrade keystones?

[warped hound]

@prisma viper run into dungeon, start key, run out, reset dungeon

that or run the dungeon with a shaman healer, either works fine

[nova gale]

Can borrow you some of my guildies

[supple glacier]

You guys think we get nerfed?

In the later week?

[ionic fern]

🤔

[supple glacier]

I run m+ like a fuken truck

Is not normal the tankiness and dmg

[nova gale]

How high you doing right now?

[supple glacier]

15+

I take no dmg

[ionic fern]

🤷 Depends on the dungeon.

[supple glacier]

6 mil healing on me in all dungeon

Ridiculous

[nova gale]

which dungeon?

[supple glacier]

FH and WM

[severe pond]

lol

[nova gale]

I've been doing some 15s on my newly dinged alt

Not really sure how much healing I take but it havent really been a problem

But I feel way stronger on monk

[ionic fern]

Pull bigger then. 😄 @supple glacier

[supple glacier]

Lel

Ye my man I will xd

But I’m glad to se war shine again

But I see a nerf in the passive like 5% on us

Maybe

They will

[ionic fern]

But regarding the nerf..if anything then probably to Unstoppable force. 😄
They can't directly nerf TC damage since it's connected to our ST damage as well.

I mean..they CAN directly nerf TC but i doubt they will

UNless they lazy af

[supple glacier]

They nerf it, now in 6 sec max

[ionic fern]

But atm there's no point to think about it since nothing's been said and the representation of warrs in higher keys is still very lackluster

[supple glacier]

I hope so man

[ionic fern]

Doubt that they'd do anything before the new raid tier anyways

[supple glacier]

Ofc

[nova gale]

I still struggle with using Revenge too much REEEEEEE

[supple glacier]

Brb quick!

[weary nacelle]

why are we discussing nerfs? Is that really on the table? 😦 We just got our buffs and it feels much better.. If they nerf it.. oh god what a small indie company

[neon tangle]

Who knows what will happen

DKs are still wildly more represented at high key levels, and they let prot go in its 8.0 state during most of Uldir

Plus warrior isn’t exactly topping the charts for single target dps

[valid cloak]

Why would they nerf prot? I get it that thunder clap is OP but one ability can’t warrant a nerf could it?

(Op in aoe)

[prisma crane]

people just feel that if we're no longer circling the bottom of the barrel that we'll be nerfed

it's normal

[neon tangle]

^^^

Prot being good at one thing doesn’t mean nerfs are coming

[valid cloak]

Exactly lol. Yes prot does an incredible amount of AoE damage but ST it’s still kind of the same, magic damage still crushes us once SR goes down. Idk I think it’s moving in the right direction for once compared to what was released lol.
Add to it we get another ring to choose stuff from!

(Soon)

[neon tangle]

I guess my point is: even if prot is “OP” (it isn’t really) it’s still likely go a while before they touch it

[valid cloak]

Dk went 3-4 xpacs didn’t it 😂

[neon tangle]

I mean even now DK is 50%+ of the 15+ run population

[amber siren]

it's a little bit different

legion they still nerfed some prot aspects even when we weren't top tier performers

[novel barn]

im getting my ass kicked this week

bolstering + skittish

hardly an issue of tankiness or my damage lol

[amber siren]

it really just depends on what blizzard defines as 'expected' when it comes to protection

[valid cloak]

Dks have huge utility, prot brings amazing AoE, an AoE stun and block.
Thunder clap more, do@more damage lol.

[amber siren]

only blizz can say if they think booty clapping is part of prot's future 🤷

[prisma crane]

they nerfed areas we cheesed shit in legion

not performed well

[valid cloak]

Oh how I miss the battle cry set!

“Who needs a dk when I can top healing and damage”

[distant crystal]

they just need to give us a good thunderclap dps trait

[amber siren]

i mean the nerf to warbringer didn't even have a patch note and wasn't ever addressed when it was suddenly put on DR

[prisma crane]

DKs were still better in M+ lol

[amber siren]

no one thought it was OP lmao

[prisma crane]

but yea in raids it was a lot of fun

[valid cloak]

Dks were better yes I won’t argue but In a raid prot was so fun.

[prisma crane]

it was OP, but imo not enough to warrant removal

they dumped it because they dont want that play style in BetaFA

[valid cloak]

Honestly if they give back the old spellreflect it would help solve issues.

[prisma crane]

reflective plating, yes

among other things

[valid cloak]

As it stands magic still trucks us, the warbringer nerf I can understand but still didn’t need a nerf.

[prisma crane]

well magic still trucks most tanks

[valid cloak]

True but I notice war struggles the most.

[prisma crane]

arguably we struggle the least

unless it's steady dmg

[distant crystal]

most tanks have self heals

[valid cloak]

(Can’t comment for Druid I don’t think I’ve seen one ever)

[prisma crane]

what do you think IP is

and SR DR

[distant crystal]

i think IP is a DR

lol

[prisma crane]

which is the same thing that a self heal is

[distant crystal]

no

a DR won't make your health go up

lol

[prisma crane]

i get hit for 100, cut it to 50 i take 50

they get hit for 100, heal 50, they take 50

it's the same shit

[distant crystal]

so armor is a heal i guess

[prisma crane]

im obviously not being literal, but the net effect is largely the same

the only time lack of self healing matters is on trivial content

and perhaps sustained magic dmg, since the heal doesnt care about the type of damage

but our armor does

[ember arrow]

instead of making interesting mechanics, they just went fuck it

[prisma crane]

but truly sustained magic isnt frequent

[ember arrow]

and removed magic metigation

[prisma crane]

you're not wrong

[ember arrow]

3rd boss of COEN was good, if u dotn reflect, u die, if u do, u do alot of dmg

[supple glacier]

@valid cloak you have right

[valid cloak]

i have right?

[vocal nimbus]

you do

[supple glacier]

For the old spell reflect

[valid cloak]

i still have no idea as into what you're on about lol

[supple glacier]

You say to bring back the old spell reflect

Is true

The new one sucks

[valid cloak]

see that makes sense lol. not "you have right" haha. i was sitting here wondering what's on the right i have.

[supple glacier]

Lel

[valid cloak]

but the old reflective plate or what ever its called would be a very awesome addition to prot.

[sick sentinel]

LOL

I'd rather have nothing to not have plating back

Fuck that trait, so God damn useless

[sharp lotus]

How you guys feeling about apothecary's concoctions trait?

[main vault]

I like it

Makes it easier to pick almost any other trait

Less thinking = good

[sharp lotus]

its either that or brace for impact, i was thinking brace for impact but idk if apothecary pairs well with azerite veins or even leach

[main vault]

That choice should be really easy

Apothecary’s isn’t a good trait

[sharp lotus]

thats what I thought, just making sure theres nothing I missed

thank you

[keen galleon]

Pity cuz the other undead trait is rad. 277 flat vers

[main vault]

It’s better. But still not as good as the better ones

Standing still generally isn’t an ideal way to tank

And that’s <2% dmg reduction even when you do get it

[crystal creek]

Ty Ivus for the trinket, I shall name it "Parry Mason"

[uneven mason]

Parry Mason in action?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

[crystal creek]

Think i'm 25 on the server now Mac, need to break that top 10 😉

[uneven mason]

👍

[crystal creek]

Tryin' to represent Skyhold. Think I have a 11 WM should be pretty easy for us.

[uneven mason]

I don't think there is any hard keys this week outside of uh, Shrine

cause shrine is always cancer

[daring marlin]

meh

Even shrine is poopoo ez this week

[uneven mason]

That's a Relative poopoo ez

[daring marlin]

The bolstering nerf they did this expac saw to that

[uneven mason]

but the void babies with the skeleton packs

are bad

since those are horrifying on normal fortified weeks

[daring marlin]

I should really do keys

[uneven mason]

someone misses a kick and its probably a wipe on that sucker on higher keys

[daring marlin]

I’m just burned out from doing WAY too many TDs the other day

[old zephyr]

SoB was pretty easy for me if People didn't do stupid unnecessary6bolsters

[uneven mason]

I mean once you're past the first packs where the assjacks do fire damage

SIege becomes pretty ZZZzzz

key to siege is bolstering the shit out of the spotters

and then dragging them through everything

one shotting trash +

Poison stacking jersk at the end? Not any more LOL HERE HAVE SOME CANNONBALL

[old zephyr]

Nah they only kill non élites

[uneven mason]

it kills elites too

just not the commanders

(the big ones on the horse)

[old zephyr]

Really ?.
I never sow them do any Damage to élites

[uneven mason]

thats how yo udo the pull in the giant boss

[crystal creek]

Wait, we can use cannons in there?

[uneven mason]

you leave the spotter alive and tag the boss, run back around the corner and then snare the shit out of everything in that allyway

the spotter kill them for ya

the spotter calls cannon fire (the blue circles) it hurts NPCs

[crystal creek]

Ah, the circle things.

[uneven mason]

the only problem becomes you have like a 30stack spotter by the end

also have to make sure the commanders are NOT in bolster range

otherwise they'll 1 shot folks with trample

[old zephyr]

Would you have any 8.1 vid of that ?

[crystal creek]

That'd be fun to watch.

[nova gale]

Who said they needed 6 million healing in a +15 before?

[old zephyr]

I would love to watch that

[coarse wharf]

what do you think about warrior tank for the next raid, compare to other tanks ?

[old zephyr]

AMAZING

[crystal creek]

I'm optimistic, I don't know all the mechanics/damage to the new raid but I feel like we're pretty solid just from playing current content.

[old zephyr]

Afaik everything is either blockable or reflect able

[coarse wharf]

ok, at least in terms of damage it's quite promising

i hesitate between my monk and my war for the next raid

[astral crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/476547138155839508/527679224509759489/unknown.png

Meme list according to limit’s maximum

Got a good tickle out of “if your tank player is really bad” for brm

[void marten]

i enjoy playing prot, i was back up tank during nighthold progress; tanked spellblade/tich and gul'dan. never touched prot in bfa, except for some low m+ and heroic dungeons

but recently i feel like its really fun to play again, especially with the high haste you get from into the fray it feels so smooth

[coarse wharf]

yes, +1

[void marten]

should i apply for main tanking in my cutting edge guild, what do you guys think

is there anyone else in my position as well

if so, what did/will you do

[old zephyr]

My guild is definitely not cutting edge but I am 100% mantanking on l'y warrior

[tulip pond]

Show em all the blockable stuff in BfD

Found in pins

[void marten]

i didn't read a lot about bfd tbh

but one thing i remember from nighthold was krosus progression

it was so fucking insufferable as prot warrior first weeks

[tulip pond]

Yikes

[void marten]

are there fights like that in bfd?

[old zephyr]

Doesn't looks like

[tulip pond]

Cant say anything to that but in bfa there's way less magical dmg than in NH

[old zephyr]

Everything is blockable or reflectable

[tulip pond]

We had a prot for Krosus too one week when our pala tank was on vacation

It was interesting

To put it that way

[void marten]

btw my avatar is a reminiscent from nighthold

i was playin arms and prot

i got my draught at 8th week

and my guild forced me to tank krosus

i used that meme trinket from anomaly

lmao

[astral crystal]

What made krosus a bitch was the magic dot

There is another magic dot in the jadefire masters fight

[void marten]

my cotank was guardian druid

he could take 11 stacks

[astral crystal]

But not nearly as bad from the looks of it

[void marten]

i was starting autistic screeches at 5

[tulip pond]

Zul bleed has been the worst thing in BfA so far imo

[void marten]

didnt play tank in uldir at all

but i feel like mythrax might be worse

due to %hp debuff

[tulip pond]

That's why you steal orbs from healers and dps

[void marten]

"steal"

dont tanks have prio anyway

[tulip pond]

Yea they do

I just find it hilarious when I see someone going for a orb and I just chi torpedo/heroic leap to it yelling MINE!

[daring marlin]

I just yell at DPS that try to steal mine

say their name real loud

always fun

[sick sentinel]

zul bleed is worse yeah at 4 stacks start spamming IP need good amount of healing

[sand egret]

i did something bad last night....

i may....

have transferred my war....

to horde...

[daring marlin]

kek

[uneven mason]

TFW DPS touching orbs on Mythrax below 25 stacks

[daring marlin]

rip flameboi

[sand egret]

sad, sad day

[uneven mason]

"You realize 99% Of the damage yo utake on this fight is avoidable right?" "THen why do I keep dying?"

🤦

[daring marlin]

tfw

[uneven mason]

AVOIDABLE DAMAGE - steals tanks orbs to live

[daring marlin]

your dk tank insists he needs bop on zul

[uneven mason]

dies anyway

[daring marlin]

and eventually swaps to monk to tank it

[uneven mason]

yeah

[daring marlin]

o m e g a

[uneven mason]

because BDK isn't that great?

like I mean they're fine

[daring marlin]

BDK handles the DoT on mythic zul best

[uneven mason]

what i Mean is, BDK has never been OP in raid tanking

[daring marlin]

You’re a crazy person if you think otherwise

[uneven mason]

I'd say that isn't true, they have to burn CDs like everyone else

[daring marlin]

Their AM actually functions with it

[tulip pond]

Their heal scales from the dot dmg too

[uneven mason]

right

but folks tend to overblow the amount of healing they get from DS

compared to the damage thye take

[tulip pond]

VDH too but VDH raid tanking omegalul

[uneven mason]

their healing caps at around 50% of the DoTs damage

[daring marlin]

better than other classes who get absolutely nothing from their AM

? ? ?

[uneven mason]

(Guess what our IP does)

👍

[daring marlin]

That’s not our AM

[uneven mason]

its mitigation

[daring marlin]

You’re being disingenuous

[uneven mason]

I'm being logical

[daring marlin]

I didn’t even say DK was OP either. Anyone that thinks that is lul.(in araid environment)

[uneven mason]

under vamp blood, with a 5stacker of hemo, BDK heals for 50%, won't have the RP to hit DS every GCD for the entire duration, they do have good tolls for it, but its not more or less, so heres the thing, if you're taking bleeds on Zul, swap to bloodsport, and eat 5 stacks

👍

Yes, my god

I suggested a trait change

to deal with a mechanic

[sand egret]

gtfi

[inner epoch]

3x ip is good for zul if you saying that

[daring marlin]

I don’t even know why you brought Warrior into the it either. I specifically said he swapped from his DK to his Monk.

[sand egret]

\

[daring marlin]

His monk with less gear.

[uneven mason]

too true

#protection

[daring marlin]

holy shit

[uneven mason]

you see any panda bears covered in piss here?

[daring marlin]

I’m losing brain cells from your diarrhea.

anyway

If only swapping traits was that easy. 😃

ASSERITE IS A GR8 SYSTEM

[inner epoch]

dunno it costs 5g 10g then 20g seems hard for me tho

[daring marlin]

season 2 now pls thx

[uneven mason]

Yeah I get it you were saying the dude was bad, my point was that BDK's tools to deal with the Zul bleed are not "best" in any sense (self healing is an illusion)

BrM still has a better time of it

due to their bloating incoming healing

[cold owl]

This feels like home🚽

[daring marlin]

LOL

[crystal creek]

It does doesn’t it

[rocky ledge]

I can add to the toilet talk with a few chat triggers

How can we sim prot’s viablility?

[daring marlin]

boring

[crystal creek]

Oi.

[rocky ledge]

I just lol whenever someone talks about simming and gets everyone heated.

Or new guy just asks... is prot viable? And ppl freak out

Question for anyone running higher keys... do you have a specific way you like to pull the big pack in front of 2nd boss in atal? Used to always lock skip it but that’s been fixed.

[primal crypt]

Death skip

Shroud

Feign death skip

Mage invis skip

[rocky ledge]

So you avoid it still.

[primal crypt]

Or kill

On tyrannical weeks

Never touch on fort

Fuck fort

[rocky ledge]

Tank pulls through and group runs in and Res’s tank after, ya? If no shroud

[primal crypt]

yeah

both times

in and out

[rocky ledge]

RiP gold

[sick sentinel]

The CD from shroud won't be up by the time u kill the dire troll boss

[rocky ledge]

I always clear UD side. Never human side

[sick sentinel]

So u can have tank run and die first and everyone come after and shroud after boss

And with. Bolster this week, u should very much avoid that add group

[rocky ledge]

I go stealth guy, single honor guard, 2 stealth on side stairs, pat with 2 skele, 1 invis pat, awful pack with 1 honor guard, then I guess you can death skip the next.

What can CC honor guards, root, blind, hunter trap, and para?

Oh shackle too

[crystal creek]

Invis pot

[rocky ledge]

You can do that skip with a monk and Dh/rogue. Sap the humanoid and RoP push it and the UD skele away

[daring marlin]

@primal crypt blade went orc too

disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!

ya hate to see it

[sand egret]

😦

[old zephyr]

The pack in AD we usually cc the hexer kill the others and finish6hexer

As tu warrior you can jump in the stars tu pull the stealth dude's and leap back up.
They won't pull when they come

[primal crypt]

Im not an orc...

[daring marlin]

no

blade went orc

[primal crypt]

y tho

[daring marlin]

They said they went horde and I was saying that they went orc in the process

[sand egret]

cuz i dont have mag'har unlocked

[daring marlin]

psht orc warriors who plays those!?

don't look at my horde warrior thx

[sand egret]

and tauren are ugly and honestly, the anims for the nightborne suuuck

[daring marlin]

well

they share with night elves

so that's accurate

and male nightborne are terrible anyway

female are ok

[sand egret]

even those

tried it out and couldn't deal

and the fact that their racial is three minutes got me real tilted

i may have been intoxicated during this decision.

[daring marlin]

lol

I was gonna ask...

[primal crypt]

Tauren

Higmitten

is best

[sand egret]

i tried

[daring marlin]

yes

[sand egret]

they looked so goofy

i came from a dwarf, huge models aren't my thing

[crystal creek]

Once you go blackrock you never go back.

[sand egret]

i really wanted to do mag'har, but I dont have that unlocked

[daring marlin]

yuck mag'har with their gross heritage

I'd totally be a blackrock though

[sand egret]

sick tats and best beard game on the horde

[daring marlin]

blackhand from WoD was my favorite part of that expac

[crystal creek]

I like the Mythic set from there (I know it's over used) with hidden artifact from Nelth vault.

[daring marlin]

BRF?

I usually use that with the one store helmet because I'm a loser

[sand egret]

i really want the mythic ToS set

[crystal creek]

Ya I like the set with the hidden.

[sand egret]

like Reallllly bad

[sick sentinel]

I hate the warriors brf set, because 90% of warriors use it because they are unoriginal

[crystal creek]

I'm using the honorbound set currently. (loser)

[sand egret]

99% of dark iron use it lol

[daring marlin]

unoriginal

transmog snobs are the worst

you used a full set reeeeeeee

[sick sentinel]

I don't care about full sets

[daring marlin]

newsflash snowflake this isn't ffxiv and mixing and matching gear looks terrible

[primal crypt]

😂

[sick sentinel]

I just hate that one because everyone uses it smartass

Aka the ashbringer effect

[crystal creek]

I remember the first time i hopped in a tmog channel, and I had the Crown of Eternal Winter in my xmog.

I left crying.

[nova gale]

This is clearly the best tmog ever

[sand egret]

I mean, the entire concept of tmog is predicated on the notion of individuality

wanting to be different isn't super absurd

[sick sentinel]

Nah it ain't tho

[daring marlin]

They should put dyes in the game.

[sick sentinel]

I mean u saw what he said

[daring marlin]

after all

[sick sentinel]

U mean recolours

[daring marlin]

they don't have to make so many different sets anymore

😃

[ebon hound]

It's not really possible to add dyes based on how they colour items, sadly. Ian answered a question like that in one of the q&a's.

[daring marlin]

He sure did say that.

[primal crypt]

Top tier

[daring marlin]

nothing better

[wide girder]

If transmog doesn't give plus dps it is useless transmog

[daring marlin]

hellyeahbrother

[main vault]

They answered that at BlizzCon as well during an art panel

Basically since they don’t greyscale all the gear, adding dyes isn’t possible without redoing literally everything

[wide girder]

=> all transmog is useless

[main vault]

Good transmog is + dps

[crystal creek]

I have the sim to prove this true.

[primal crypt]

1oo%

[daring marlin]

I remember the Q&A

[main vault]

That’s a known fact

[primal crypt]

If you look good you dps good

No way around it

[wide girder]

Lul

[daring marlin]

so basically they're lazy as fuck

😃

[primal crypt]

Everytime you go into lfr

[main vault]

You know how much work that is

[primal crypt]

You see these sad transmog rejects

[wide girder]

Look good to who? Raidboss?

[primal crypt]

And their dps is trash

Same thing in dungeons

[wide girder]

Raidmembers?

[daring marlin]

idk bro FFXIV does it fine and that game is significantly prettier than WoW.

[primal crypt]

Bad transmog is bad dps

[wide girder]

No

[primal crypt]

Or bad tank or healer

[daring marlin]

shit yamo

your dps must be horrible then

cows ruin all transmogs

[main vault]

Because FF14 greyscales gear

[primal crypt]

My dps is top tier my friend

[daring marlin]

it's almost like

they should do it for WoW too

🤔

[primal crypt]

I have tight green spandex on

[wide girder]

Idc about how I look in the game

[main vault]

To fix it they would have to sit out an entire xpac

[primal crypt]

With a cute af green ballsack hat

[narrow abyss]

Then they’d have to design more sets instead of recolors. Can’t have that 😂

[main vault]

And art is carrying the game atm so they. Any so that

[daring marlin]

need the recolors my dude

[primal crypt]

I will agree though

Tauren mog clips a lot

The shoulders are so massive

But straight back orcs have the same problem

[daring marlin]

could be worse

[primal crypt]

And it's actually worse on an orc with a shield

[daring marlin]

could be bc orcs

with their baby shoulders

O M E G A

[primal crypt]

They hold the shield at an angle

So it drags on the floor AND clips the shoulders

[sand egret]

hmm TIL that if you have BoM equipped in arms, you also get an IP when you Avatar

[primal crypt]

Fem orc and fem belf is best on horde

Undead is good too, but....undead...

[uneven mason]

The sheer lazyness that went into making straight back orcs

[primal crypt]

Lmao yeah

Fem orc I think is my favorite for prot mog

Everything is super proportional

[uneven mason]

Lets just freeze them mid stretching animation, they won't notice right?

[main vault]

@sand egret a lot of traits do that, Resto Druid get Celestial Alignment from a trait

[sand egret]

oh?

[uneven mason]

Yeah Fem Orcs are 👍

[daring marlin]

EW

NO

[sand egret]

no beards

my only issue

[primal crypt]

Fem orcs are fire

I really want to be a DiD

[sand egret]

it's the best

[primal crypt]

I started wow as a durf warr

Then went horde later

Durf is def my favorite

[sand egret]

my wars are dwarves and orcs

[primal crypt]

Higmitten is pretty good too though

[sand egret]

i like the orcs animation rig a lot

[primal crypt]

Male or female?

[sand egret]

and tbh, the shield i use doesn't clip bad enough that I care.

mines male, as that is the only orc gender that can have beards

[primal crypt]

I dont like the jab thing male orcs do

Like a random thrust

[sand egret]

you mean a stab

lol

[primal crypt]

It's a bad stab

[split anchor]

living spore trinket any good? it seems bad

[primal crypt]

So it's a jab

[sand egret]

looks like a stab to me!

[primal crypt]

@split anchor high enough ilvl you can use it

[sand egret]

also, just got a Knot

[primal crypt]

If you dont have anything else

[sand egret]

wooo

[daring marlin]

ugh

[sand egret]

except it causes my 395 jes to fucking go on cd

[daring marlin]

[primal crypt]

@split anchor what are your other options?

@sand egret yikes

[sand egret]

so guess what's going in the bin...

[primal crypt]

Bye howler

[sand egret]

JES'S cuz fuck that trinket

[split anchor]

I got an emblem of zandalar 335, rezans gleaming howler 325 (socket)

[primal crypt]

KNOT HNGGGGGG

[split anchor]

and 340 spore

[sand egret]

and i just set up a macro to bind it to blood fury haha

[primal crypt]

@split anchor howler rezan

Is your best bet right now

[split anchor]

thoughts so that is what I have been using

[primal crypt]

Yeah

[crystal creek]

370 syringe and 385 Ivus Knot atm

[primal crypt]

But youll replace super quick

[split anchor]

hopefully

[daring marlin]

knot

yuck

[sand egret]

knot + block here

[primal crypt]

Yuck????

[sand egret]

crit city baby

[primal crypt]

Wat

Shhh guilly

[crystal creek]

I call it "Parry Mason"

[split anchor]

thanks @primal crypt for your help

[daring marlin]

KNOT?!

[primal crypt]

@split anchor yw

[sand egret]

waits for Mac to post the ss

[primal crypt]

KNOT

CRIT FOR DAYS HUMMY

[crystal creek]

oh he did this AM @sand egret

[daring marlin]

KNOT?!?!?!?!?!?!

[sand egret]

solid 10% crit on use

love it

[primal crypt]

60%party time

Im making a crit build, brb

[daring marlin]

I might just be salty cuz I don't have one

[crystal creek]

I like the knot.

[daring marlin]

and have a bad experience from doom's howl trinket

[sand egret]

it's awesome cuz im itemized really heavily into haste on the rest of my gear

[daring marlin]

cuz that thing is legit bad

[primal crypt]

I would use my doom and knot

[sand egret]

they prob share a cd right

[primal crypt]

If the cd thing wasnt around

Yeah

[sand egret]

laaaame

[primal crypt]

Everything shares now

So only one on use

[crystal creek]

I like the consistency and 1 min CD of the knot way more than doom fury

[sand egret]

yeah the 1 min is nice

[primal crypt]

There's no way to optimize two on use trinkets

[sand egret]

tbh I may just bind it to avatar

[primal crypt]

Unless you're a frost dk

Bind it to

[sand egret]

and run my Blightborne Infusion set?

[primal crypt]

Yes

[sand egret]

the fact that the ICD increases per stack is SO SO SO lame

[primal crypt]

I just got one of those gethililikolkki 2h

Never seen one until now

[sand egret]

I DW those as Fury

[primal crypt]

Aren't they bis?

[sand egret]

bleeds for dayz

i dont fucking know

[primal crypt]

I feel like I seen them as bis

Somewhere

[sand egret]

i couldnt care about dps specs other than what I use to quest

[daring marlin]

assuming same ilvl?

yes

it is

the bleed is nuts

[primal crypt]

Thanks guil

Now it'll sit in my bags

And do nothing

I enchanted it though

Just in case

[sand egret]

level 100 talent, gimme titans grip (with some extra somthin)

just smacking with a 2hander and a shield

would be dooope

[daring marlin]

That would be amazing.

We can dream.

[sand egret]

haha

[primal crypt]

Did I show you guys last nights haul?

[daring marlin]

negative ghost rider

[sand egret]

eyyyy

[daring marlin]

hey guy

fuck you lol

[sand egret]

also, having your r.io reset....sucks lol

[primal crypt]

@sand egret message r.io

[daring marlin]

warrior buddy in my guild has 395 syringe and disc

me jelly

[primal crypt]

They will put it back

Once you transfer

[daring marlin]

I looked at your raider.io blade

It's the same?

[primal crypt]

They will move your old score over

To the toon that transferred

[sand egret]

oh shit it is

[primal crypt]

But you have to do it quickly

[sand egret]

didn't update yet on my addon

[daring marlin]

nah man he's good

[sand egret]

phew

[primal crypt]

Oh good good

👌

[sand egret]

it wasn't high, but at least it wasn't 0

[primal crypt]

0 for peot

Prot

Is detrimental right now

[sand egret]

hmm, anyone else bind knot to avatar?

[primal crypt]

Yeah

I do

[sand egret]

does it generally line up well?

[primal crypt]

Nope

It's desyncs pretty hard

[crystal creek]

I was thinking of doing it with demo

[primal crypt]

Because of pull patterns

I just have it bound to avatar and tc

[spice musk]

what ist knot again?

[primal crypt]

So no matter what its on use

@spice musk trinket from darkshore world boss

[sand egret]

Knot of Ancient fury

[primal crypt]

Gives crit

[spice musk]

ah ook

[primal crypt]

On 1 min cd

[spice musk]

i have still the rezan trinket for me its toooo op

[sand egret]

i love me rezan's

unfortunately its my lowest ilvl

[primal crypt]

But yeah blade, it desyncs really hard on avatar

[sand egret]

dang

i can see that

[primal crypt]

At least 10 sec off

[sand egret]

oh that's not that bad

[primal crypt]

Thats to start

Then on next avatar it's not ready at all

Then like 30 sec

[sand egret]

yeah that's what I was afraid of

[primal crypt]

Its loopy

[daring marlin]

That's why I also like Vial so much.

usually syncs up pretty well

😃

[primal crypt]

And mastery

I want a high vial

With bom

[daring marlin]

I just have a 370

[primal crypt]

HNGGG

[daring marlin]

maybe next season

tbh my trinkets are pretty ass

[primal crypt]

underrot tho

Is soooo nty

With bad dps

[daring marlin]

It's one of my least favorite dungeons

for sure

[primal crypt]

Crawg

[daring marlin]

at least they nerfed a bunch of the shit in there

[primal crypt]

No one stomps on maggots

First boss no one interrupts

[daring marlin]

NOOOOOOOO SHIIIIIIIT

drives me insane

LIKE PLS YOUR DAMAGE IS SO NOT IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW

[primal crypt]

Shockwave boss people stand in front of boss or run to same mushrooms

[daring marlin]

well at least I can somewhat salvage that

[primal crypt]

Last boss is just shit show

[daring marlin]

fireblood baby

[primal crypt]

People all over the place

Oh dont let me forget the body pulls that happen in crawgs room

That triple pack of flowers

Decayed mind for days

No dispel having ass healers

Sorry it's not on my bars....excuse

[sand egret]

oh man I just did an UR where my dps seemed to enjoy putting their upheaval RIGHT where I have lined up a sweet shockwave

[primal crypt]

Man I'm salty lmao

[daring marlin]

holy shit that was hilarious

I was doing some bad WQ

and an ele sham tried to jump me

I dropped infernal on his head, popped DSI and fuse

two shot baby

[primal crypt]

Dsi?

Infernal?

[daring marlin]

😃

[sand egret]

[primal crypt]

Wtf???

[daring marlin]

I'm a filthy Warlock too.

sir

[primal crypt]

YIKES

[daring marlin]

I love this mob

beating his war drums

[primal crypt]

no worries, Im a dh

Havoc at that

Eye beam pull everything and Im not even sorry

I have to pad

Went to furry

Crickets

Ask simple sim question

[daring marlin]

the dungeon slice sim is still kinda a WIP

[primal crypt]

Not worth using?

Ive always patchwerk simmed and then swapped trinkets

[daring marlin]

Still a useful tookl

tool*

[nova gale]

The nerfs done to different m+ is so insane tbh

doing +17s now is SO much easier than 2 months ago

[sick sentinel]

What ur saying is, they should have listened to a lot of compliants?

[cold owl]

I'll be happy when random mobs ignore walls

Dont

[median wigeon]

what's everyone running for wpvp? i miss how broken prot was for wpvp during legion

[daring marlin]

YOU HAVE THE CUTEST PFP

[median wigeon]

Me no thunderclap as hard as me thunderclap before plz help

[daring marlin]

man

wpvp as prot

meh

[median wigeon]

Remember summoning throllmir or whatever his fucking name was and killing them inside the stun ? Whatever happened to that

[daring marlin]

I just go fury for wpvp

fun times

[uneven mason]

Fury world PVP self sustain for days

[daring marlin]

hell yeah

Until you get mobbed by 5+ people

or like 3x frost mages

and you wanna kill yourself

[uneven mason]

"I'm alive...but can't do anything FFFFFFFFFF"

but yeah, that is generally what it takes

although I've been doing RBGs just for kicks

and messing with people as prot

Basin is my favorite

up in lumbermill

[daring marlin]

GET. OFF. MY. FLAG!

[uneven mason]

OH whole line of them coming up the ramp

DRAGONCHARGE

oh look they're coming up again

they learned not to be lined up after a few times >

[daring marlin]

rofl

[steady dragon]

sorry if this gets asked a lot, would you drop 15 ilvl on a ring in order to have haste on it

[gaunt belfry]

[zinc mauve]

We have Sims now?

[primal crypt]

@steady dragon nope

only about 5 ilvl

if you truly want haste

BUT

ilvl still

ilvl and socket

[tulip pond]

While haste is our best stat, the other ones are not far behind

And 15 ilvls means more stats overall

[primal crypt]

And no, we dont have sims/pawn

Secondaries are all the same for us

So just wear best gear

[uneven mason]

well, not the same, (crit is certainly worth less overall than haste due to haste being consistent and crit being RNG) but..yeah no sims and DC~= 15ilvls > ilvl > whateverfeelsbest

[primal crypt]

^

Im just lazy at explaining

[uneven mason]

I myself have been enjoying forcing mastery to be my RA trigger

[primal crypt]

ooooo

[uneven mason]

because nothing says 🖕 to Fetid like 60% Critical block

[primal crypt]

smrt

link pics

[uneven mason]

I has none cause right after I did that

my raid break started

but I'll do it tonight

we got vectis down

and then we were like OK lets go back and get AOTC for the 3 people who missed it

cause we got AOTC and were like 🖕

to HC

[steady dragon]

whats the minimum required haste % on fetid

in order to not get chomped where you need an external

[uneven mason]

100%

KIDDING

Uh, tbh I dunno what the minimum haste is

[outer dew]

For off or main tanking?

[uneven mason]

I sit at 24% when I prop my mastery up

when I focus haste I have 50% (with RA) and the Mastery stack just feels smoother for intake

[outer dew]

@steady dragon

And haste isn't the issue

[uneven mason]

they're about equal, since THrash doesn't allow for breaks in your AMs

6second on trash, 6seconds on SB duration

[outer dew]

Fetid is the niche places where you want HR

[uneven mason]

I'd disagree

[outer dew]

Over AM

[uneven mason]

you'll still gain more block uptime due to how Bolster functions with AM

[outer dew]

The gaps make it so its not an issue

Each stomp/breath gives enough leeway

Where you can keep effective uptime just fine

[steady dragon]

trash tanking

[outer dew]

Like bolster LS is cool. But it threatens gaps a lot more vs HR

[steady dragon]

wait HR fixes fetid perfectly wtf

[chilly brook]

Why in the world would you want HR if like you said there are gaps that make it not an issue

[uneven mason]

because then each SB covers 2

[outer dew]

Because 2 sb = 4 thrashes

[uneven mason]

which means you don't need the block from bolster

in theory

[outer dew]

Vs 1 sb per thrash

[chilly brook]

But you lose out on so much more.....

[uneven mason]

Well

yeah

you'll always have block which will more than likely stop you from dying

[chilly brook]

And since there are breaks that make it so Block isn’t an issue

[uneven mason]

however you'll take more overall damage

[outer dew]

Which for prog. Not dying is the big one

[uneven mason]

right

I get what you're saying

[chilly brook]

Obviously

[steady dragon]

thiss isnt prog lol

just reclearing on an alt

and feeling like wtf am i doing wrong

[final mist]

There's no reason to not use AM on even Fetid.

You lose too much.

[chilly brook]

But I don’t think HR is the move even on prog

We’ve had this specific discussion a few times before

[steady dragon]

but you run out of cd's with AM

[uneven mason]

yeah I don't think so either, but I get where he's coming from

[steel mauve]

Far more than a few tomes

Times*

[uneven mason]

My thought would be sub 50% You're REALLY going to be hurting for the SW/DS uses

[steady dragon]

unless im super bad, i dont think i missed out on any defensives

[outer dew]

If his struggle is he's getting borderline one shot

[steel mauve]

HR is literally never worth taking over AM

[uneven mason]

Well

that is what externals for

[final mist]

You don't run out of CDs if you play correctly, and if you don't play correctly, that's why externals exist.

BoP is a good example.

[cosmic cargo]

@steady dragon maybe you are super bad

[chilly brook]

There was one time on Mythic fetid where I screwed up my CDs and died because I didn’t have one and a healer didn’t cover me when I asked for an external

[uneven mason]

BoP is amazing on trash

[steady dragon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KqHk7pPDgwCG43Xn#fight=27&type=auras&source=17

[uneven mason]

my favorite is SLT on the tanks

[steady dragon]

maybe i am bad

this is log

[uneven mason]

during paladin bubble

[steady dragon]

where i died

[final mist]

BoP covers two Thrashes if you get it timed right.

[steady dragon]

dont have a pally this clear

[uneven mason]

Rewon do you have any holy/ret paladins?

none?

0_o

[steady dragon]

recruiting a new hpal rn

or i think we are

🤷

who knows

[stark sage]

doesnt really matter which externals you get, they all work

[uneven mason]

yeah

I mean, BoP is the cheese

[stark sage]

nothing wrong with needing a few on fetid

[uneven mason]

you can literally have a holy or ret paladin negate 4 thrashes

[steady dragon]

but is there a haste % where you dont need externals

was my question

[uneven mason]

yeah like 75%

[steady dragon]

..

[uneven mason]

unobtainable

[steady dragon]

damn

[uneven mason]

currently

well ok so let me rephrase

effectively its not that high

50% Is more than enough (with RA)

there are short pauses

where you don't need it because he stops meleeing

and thus stop building thrash stacks

but yo ugotta have a good eye for them

[outer dew]

I mean

Boss timers

[uneven mason]

boss timers track CDs, are not 100% accurate

heh

but yeah

[final mist]

If you generally wait until he starts casting it to use SB, you'll be fine. Just don't let SB cap.

[uneven mason]

it'll give you a ballpark

[steady dragon]

have no exp with what can and cannot cover me from oneshotting

[final mist]

There's an actual cast bar.

[uneven mason]

block should be more than enough

even sub 50%

[steady dragon]

above 50% any defensive works (apart from IP)

[final mist]

If you don't have SB is when you use something else.

[stark sage]

ironbark + IP is enough

[uneven mason]

above 50% you can eat thrash to the teeth

and laugh it off

[final mist]

SW is enough on its own, etc.

[outer dew]

Tbh

I have a hard time fitting SW at some spots

[uneven mason]

I mean

I was laughing

[outer dew]

Never sure when to pop SW

[uneven mason]

when I took a 196k thrash

and lived

my healers were not

[outer dew]

Lmao

[steady dragon]

i basically went
sb>LS>SW

[uneven mason]

cause I forgot my co tank was like "I want to try taking whites this time"

[steady dragon]

when one runs out you pop the next

idk if thats proper play

[outer dew]

Hmm

If I remember correctly

[stark sage]

just pop one right as he casts thrash

[outer dew]

I did 2x SB-LS and that would cover me to first relief

[final mist]

There's no point in casting right after each other if he doesn't Thrash for ~5 seconds

You're wasting covering another Thrash

[steady dragon]

im aware of this

i only cast defensives when he was about to hit me

im no dummy

[stark sage]

then you are doing it right

[chilly brook]

SW is essentially the same as Block

[uneven mason]

But while we've gotten easier I'll go back to my old quote on prot - mind your gaps, its up to you to know where they are and when you're going to need an external or to use SW

[oblique garnet]

Just main tank it

[uneven mason]

HE

[chilly brook]

I personally wouldn’t recommend using Block during SW windows

[uneven mason]

HEH

Yeah Warriors are the primo maintank

for Fetid

[oblique garnet]

Havent found a tank yet who can hold aggro with me when im OT on fetid

[chilly brook]

Since SW is a 40% reduction it’s basically the same as Block

[outer dew]

Rebind IP to where your revenge is

:^)

Too use to being a dps mong