It was easy but I just don't find necrotic to be fun
#protection
sick sentinel
Necrotic is demanding, but is okay if group can assist you when you need to run out
uneven mason
Know how to do Necrotic?
sick sentinel
but I'm getting triggered when some random shit taunts my mobs D:
uneven mason
tank starting to hurt
yell for trees
typhoon + trees
they are your friends
ring of peace too
no memes
Sal might be watching
get rid of it before you bring his Holy wrath upon us
sick sentinel
I wonder if Sylvanas raid fight will have a mechanic that instantly burn boomkins trees 🤔
uneven mason
Only if they're not Night Warrior Night elves
*from
I tell ya, those eyes I'm always 1 hair away from pulling the trigger on a race change for my Druid
but then I Realize I"d have to give up my sprint
sick sentinel
I deleted it still thought it was appropriate and funny based what you said
sick sentinel
Sylvanas raid fight monkaS
uneven mason
They can't kill Warchiefs in raids
SHe'll be solo'd by Tyrande in a cute scene
and Tyrande will cheat
saw the typo, decided to leave it
She'll do some sort of Sailor Moon transformation and be all like "BY THE POWER OF THE MOON" - ZAP and Sylvanas will become alive again, further giving people a reason to hate the horde.
sick sentinel
sylvanas fans would go apeshit
uneven mason
K
Forsaken never belonged in the horde
like
Tauren, Orcs, Trolls, I get it
Blood Elves, I get it
sick sentinel
even blood elves..
crystal creek
ya doing storyline as i backstab Sylv as undead was....awkward...
uneven mason
Forsaken - "Evil motherfucking zombies who are torturing your own citizens?"
yeah, legit keep them around
sick sentinel
elves sould have their own neutral faction
uneven mason
Blood Elves need the horde, sadly its mostly been forsaken supporting them
sick sentinel
dunno... Velen saved their ass
uneven mason
And then Jaina slaughtered a bunch of them
sick sentinel
and now Sylv is raising everyone left and right
uneven mason
cold blooded murder
Like Velen gave them back the light
but Jaina killed Blood elf civilians
sick sentinel
she teleported them to violet hold
crystal creek
If any of you have done the Mag'har quest, you get to see Yrel from WoD too. And she's all light fanatic crazy now.
uneven mason
literally killed them (in the books, killed them)
They establish that the light and void both carry their own madness
primal crypt
I hope they just kill everyone
uneven mason
they're both equally inimical to life.
sick sentinel
I mean... when Mag'hars aren't genociding anyone and are being attacked, they just pull out the poor victim card
primal crypt
Because lore is not my thing
lusty grotto
at least they are making undead want to actually undie
primal crypt
Just wipe everyone out
sick sentinel
brin Yrel here to main timeline
lusty grotto
they are against sylvanas
sick sentinel
so we can have some shit going on
crystal creek
Truth is , everyone wants to be a Vulpera. 🤢
sick sentinel
not me
uneven mason
🤢
crystal creek
Lol I know, no one does, they are road kill.
uneven mason
Yeah, put the Vulp on horde
uneven mason
so we get clear all these creepyass worgen off my Alliance
crystal creek
Still waiting for ethereals.
uneven mason
No
sick sentinel
don't think so
lusty grotto
hmm
sick sentinel
ethereals for alliance, foxgnomes for horde
crystal creek
fuck no.
lusty grotto
NEG
crystal creek
Eth's are neutral
lusty grotto
YOU ALREADY HAVE DARK IRON
uncut vector
hello tankers
ionic ridge
What what's up with eht's ?
primal crypt
Dont call us tankers
ionic ridge
etherials*
uncut vector
i am lvling my prot warrior and i have 1 question regarding our rotation
sick sentinel
horde already have a greedy race
ionic ridge
👢 🍵 👏
sick sentinel
Ethereals fits perfectly
uncut vector
if i am tanking, should i drop my rage on shield block or ignore pain?
sick sentinel
Shield block
primal crypt
uncut vector
kk, thx a lot
lusty grotto
you should always have rage for shield block
your rage dump are either IP or Revenge
do not use all your rage, ever
uncut vector
ye, block gives you dps gain
lusty grotto
dont use SB at the cost of not having it up when you're getting hit though
lusty grotto
dont listen to yamo
sick sentinel
if you're dying pop last stand and blame healer
uncut vector
ok, got it
primal crypt
Last and Shield wall
uncut vector
and blame healer on macro
primal crypt
Plus externals
lusty grotto
you use Last Stand only between SB charging
sick sentinel
you can pre-blame the healer beforehand
primal crypt
There is when you pull non elites with the elites
And the non elites die faster
And bolster the elite mobs
sick sentinel
dps problem
primal crypt
Because you booty clap out of control
sick sentinel
not mine
primal crypt
We ARE the problem
crystal creek
these cheeks clappin'.
primal crypt
The cheeks too heavy
lusty grotto
pls dont troll the newbie guys 😦
primal crypt
Sorry was feeling a bit sassy from the question
Should have just left it at check the pins
The shield block question was a dead giveaway that no reading was done at all
robust bronze
385 one is better?
sick sentinel
ALWAYS ilvl for shields
primal crypt
Yup
sick sentinel
that 500 block you get
lusty grotto
ilvl always better
robust bronze
kk
robust bronze
lol
wide girder
Even 375 vs 370 with a socket?
wide girder
Why
wide girder
It ia very strange
cosmic cargo
the 370 could be marginally better for damage, but for defense block is huge
austere oar
even if you're faster with a foam sword, you'll still hit harder with a steel one
golden jasper
So anyone know if prot war will get focused rage and ultimatum back one day?
cosmic cargo
(on the 370 /w socket vs 375 example)
what was ultimatum again?
also focused rage is never coming back
golden jasper
free FR's from shield block crits
lusty grotto
are we blizzard devs though
cosmic cargo
blizz didn't like that ability
golden jasper
i did D:
cosmic cargo
some people did, some didn't 🤷
sick sentinel
vengeance weaving with FR was fun tho
crystal creek
woops, when you look at yourself on armory and realize you forgot a ring chant. :feelsnoobman:
cosmic cargo
also ultimatum was a silly talent, only defensive value on a dps talent line
crystal creek
Pushing 1200 haste, still chant haste I assume?
cosmic cargo
(not like prot talents aren't silly atm anyway)
lusty grotto
yes
sick sentinel
cough cough Ravager cough
crystal creek
wut
sick sentinel
At least Never surrender is no longer Ravager tier talent
it's now useless garbage tier talent with gcd change
cosmic cargo
honestly AM is the silliest thing, because it makes many other potentially balanced talents the only options
AM by itself would also be balanced vs HR if there weren't like 3 talents that synergise with it
cosmic cargo
the thing is if AM wasn't a thing dragon roar wouldn't be too far in rage gen to UF (i think)
rugged vale
^ I agree. I haven't switched talents outside of occasionally Crackling Thunder and Bounding stride since the start of the expansion
uneven mason
and BV+DC just further exasperates the gap
cosmic cargo
you'd actually have proper competition on many lines
uneven mason
eh
Ravager would still be a waste of a GCD in most situations
Like, 35% isn't bad to have, but its not reliable
cosmic cargo
ravager is out of the question
rugged vale
^
uneven mason
Never Surrender
is hot garbage
Bolster still would trump the even living shit out of Indomitable mechanically
cosmic cargo
but like vengeance and HR are not bad talents
uneven mason
(numbers wise though they're close)
reef tendon
best served cold might be ok if it did something like the azerite trait that put a small DR on whatever it hit instead of just damage
uneven mason
Vengeance is pretty bad
cosmic cargo
it's just AM + booming voice synergy completely outshines them
sick sentinel
Best served cold would be good if it didn't have a cap
reef tendon
or that yeah
cosmic cargo
if it had no cap it would be literally broken dps wise
cosmic cargo
on niche situations
uneven mason
of how many mobs you could pull
cosmic cargo
aka waycrest
sick sentinel
it would be like SV hunt Butchery in Legion
cosmic cargo
and zul
uneven mason
I've been pulling from zone line to the end of the maggothallway
Waycrest trash ez
lots of non elites to VR offa
sick sentinel
tbh if they put 10% block or armor bonus on Indomitable, it would be good too
uneven mason
10% is a lot
uneven mason
I Mean, if they made Indomitable increase healing by 10%
as well as raw health
it'd be baller
reef tendon
i'd rather they merge indom and never surrender
uneven mason
Indom isnt' bad
reef tendon
idk if it would be trash
reef tendon
it's just that bolster is amazing
uneven mason
10% Health is never "bad"
sick sentinel
*bad in that row
rugged vale
NS is just not worth considering in its current state
reef tendon
i think a merged indom/NS would actually be really nice
lusty grotto
no tank busters/nukes make indom useless
cosmic cargo
NS would need to like start off at +25% and cap out at 25% hp (or something similar)
to be somewhat useful
sick sentinel
Punish is really cool but Into the fray...
rugged vale
If we had mechanics like Fel Claws where it was televised and you could make use of the low percentage health IP gain but the bonus just isn't strong enough to warrant it even in its best case with azerite trait bonus on top of it for NS.
sick sentinel
anyone remembers Neltharion's Fury ?
I used it on like 3 bosses the whole expansion :<
primal crypt
Wtf is that
cosmic cargo
@lusty grotto considering warr has better tools to deal with those than most tanks, i don't think they'd make much of a difference
primal crypt
Neltharions what?
sick sentinel
Neltharions Fart
cosmic cargo
it's the thing you use to cheese aggramar 👌
sick sentinel
probably the most useless artifact ability in legion
reef tendon
to cheese him? i wouldn't exactly call it cheesing him
primal crypt
Ah right, aggramar mythic
sick sentinel
but amazing on felclaws tho
cosmic cargo
"cheese"
primal crypt
It did come in handy
sick sentinel
I used it on the patrol boss in Nighthold, Kil'jaeden and Argus
Played blood DK on Aggramar because reasons :<
cosmic cargo
you could use 1 tick on aoe when both TC and revenge were on CD
i did that occasionally
sick sentinel
oh and I used it when I was pulling something behind the corner
sick sentinel
just to have something to snap aggro untill I use some real ability
cosmic cargo
i'm trying to think of a worse artifact ability but honestly i think there isn't
maybe VDHs purely defensive was comparable
sick sentinel
pretty much
cosmic cargo
but that thing was good offensive
sick sentinel
every other tank ability was amazing
cosmic cargo
to be fair consumption was bad pre leech talent
rugged vale
^
reef tendon
yeah, it was very strong when we actually used it
primal crypt
Consumption
uneven mason
using it on KJ
primal crypt
Omg
sick sentinel
still useable in your rotation
primal crypt
So good
cosmic cargo
and even post talent it was meh in raid
sick sentinel
unlike NF
primal crypt
Could move and use it
uneven mason
when your other tank eats a bowl of idiot soup and dies to being pushed off the platform
sick sentinel
or taking 6th scythe on argus
uneven mason
6th?
sick sentinel
mythic
sick sentinel
my record was well over 15 on HC
uneven mason
but
cosmic cargo
you die on 5th yeah
cosmic cargo
you can live 5th with crit block, right?
sick sentinel
or be prot warrior and don't die on 7th one and orbs everywhere
sick sentinel
that's what I had to do :<
sick sentinel
I'm too good to die
cosmic cargo
monks on pre-patch with enough gear had to /sit on 5th
uneven mason
Stagger
cosmic cargo
stagger without ISB was enough
sick sentinel
stagger was insane... same as crit blocking
uneven mason
well thats the thing
sick sentinel
since you just threw that 80% damage away
cosmic cargo
so you just needed to press your cancel-aura
sick sentinel
but rng as fuck
cosmic cargo
crit block had potential to go up to 88% in legion though
sick sentinel
I had like 76% mastery on argus
cosmic cargo
with full traits
cosmic cargo
it was 44% block with 4x bastion
sick sentinel
85% is the cap I think
uneven mason
yeah with artifacts
cosmic cargo
is the cap now yes
uneven mason
85% is the cap now
cosmic cargo
wasn't before
uneven mason
because its the same table as armor
cosmic cargo
yeah
sick sentinel
but now you can get 3x BFI in next raid and push normal block over 50%
uneven mason
you can get 3x BFI and 2x IF I think..
sick sentinel
3 stacks is like having an extra shield on you
reef tendon
at that point what even is physical damage
sick sentinel
a tickle
crystal creek
Bleeding, that's about it.
uneven mason
physical damage tickles now
healer died in AD 12 lastnight...literally was at the same HP % when he ran back to me
sick sentinel
It's like watching Blood DK HP bar move like yoyo on felclaws while mine barely moves
uneven mason
and he was like "What even is life"
"OMG I DIED, START KITING" AV proc...we're kosher
sick sentinel
Kiting ? what am I? some kind of paper bdk ?
uneven mason
when AV works it works
lusty grotto
happened to me yesterday on a 12 ML
the bazooka dudes erased my heals... twice in a row
uneven mason
As long as it isn't the "I do nothing but fire damage" trash
lusty grotto
i was like, i dont need you man
uneven mason
"You're literally here for the DPS"
lusty grotto
let us finish these dudes and then you can come back
old zephyr
When i'm pressing avatar to apply AoE death CC and the monk Rop...
Dude let me dps
lusty grotto
i have avatar macro with my catchphrase
"Do you smell what Chef Nimchip is cooking?!"
old zephyr
But if I don't get hit I don't get free revenge proc
lusty grotto
obviously
old zephyr
It kills the dps
old zephyr
All the HoTs of the druid go to waste if I don't get hit
lusty grotto
and buff AM 😃
old zephyr
Yeah but I like beeing able to clap near cced dude without too much worry
uneven mason
whats CC?
my group kept freaking out about CC'd Ghuuny
and they'd die within like 2 seconds of spawning
never had one chain even with a ton of other trash up
accidently bolstered a worm
like x5
sand egret
plus you can always just revenge > pull away if ya need to clap anywho. fighting next to CC aint smart CT or not
uneven mason
Ugh
beginning of the end
nerfs incommig
kidding
he's been playing his warrior a lot of the Xpac
just not for progression
lusty grotto
oh hes leveling up
lusty grotto
dunno its a gnome
cosmic cargo
gnomes 🤢
lusty grotto
goddamn he spams the shit out of revenge for no reason
reef tendon
he probably spams his buttons because that's all i see pally players do
so the habit transferred to his warrior
crystal creek
revenge, the new consecrate? hmm
reef tendon
because spamming doesn't actually cost them anything when they do it
crystal creek
I'd rather clap
sand egret
that dude is clueless as a tank imho
old zephyr
The6ghuunies il don't care, but sometime the infested mob can be à pain
sick sentinel
A lot of big time streamers that tank are clueless
cosmic cargo
you could remove the "that tank" part
sand egret
that one clip of him running through the mythrax beam then blaming the healers is all ya need
sick sentinel
I will defend that
The healers should have known they had a moron and not let him die
Or just not have him in the raid
sand egret
cant do that when its his “streamer raid”
crystal creek
Kicked from your stream raid, that'd be good.
sick sentinel
Lol
crystal creek
I streamed an H Uldir pug last week, made it to mother. It was a short stream..
sick sentinel
I just want work to end faster
So I can continue doing m+, finally broke out of 1.3k hell
uneven mason
I was all like Yeah schools done, time to push keys
and then my wife was like yeah Schools done "Here is a laundry list of crap for you to take care of around the house"
off next week though, and its an easy week, gonna grab that #1 warrior spot on Turalyon
sick sentinel
I dropped to 2nd place because every 13 I tried to get in would fucking die and wipe so many times before the first boss
Of any god damn dungeon
sick sentinel
Every server is dead when u think about it
crystal creek
Think I'm like 44th on server though, i'm pretty scrub still.
uneven mason
I was up in the top 5 for a long while but then school became school
and I actually had to do more than 30minutes of work a week
Also 😡 I've been using a 370 shield for months
and its triggering
sand egret
i’ll be forever #3 on my cluster unless i get like 300 points
uneven mason
every time I See a shield pop up in loot for me and its like "ITEM UPGRADED" but then its just like "Oh, heres some speed, or leech, or avoidance, or 🖕 "
crystal creek
👍 I bounce between Arms & Prot pending what we need, and I'm slacking on a few dungeons. (Rot & WM I haven't done jack)
I'm also sporting 370.
uneven mason
or the elemental shaman gets it
sand egret
hard to compete with two people with squads
sick sentinel
I'm just glad I got my 385 from weekly chest
uneven mason
U CHEATED?
sand egret
WOW
crystal creek
Weekly cheater.
sick sentinel
I have big time cheats
sand egret
damn does it that often too...
crystal creek
think I have the go 4way & i think AD 370s.
sick sentinel
U can have the cheats, if u give me ur phone, ur home ur social security and a sandwich
sand egret
mact if it makes ya feel better, Ive had my 380 w/socket since week 3
uneven mason
😡
sand egret
ill be buried with that thing
sick sentinel
I just need my two trinkets and weapon to be above 380 and I'll be good
final mist
If it makes you feel any better, I upgraded from a 370 to a 385 from my weekly, and then got the G'hoonie shield in Mythic that night
uneven mason
👍 thats how it works
sand egret
when it rains, it pours
final mist
You can have the one from the cache, it had crit/Vers xd
lusty grotto
yikes
uneven mason
except for the week I got 385 pants right after I got my 395 pants
crystal creek
I got the adulation enforcer in the chest last week, can't complain.
sand egret
well my azerite luck was fail when it was still a thing so i literally wont be able to see 385 stuff outside of the darkshore boss
old zephyr
Boots, all the boots
sand egret
so at least ya’ll got that goin for ya
uneven mason
oh yeah I can do the low warfront and try to RNG up a 380 warforged 7th legion shield
from the quest
sand egret
yup yup
uneven mason
my boots curse has spread to my druid as well, he's gotten like 5 pairs of 375 or higher
his first drop from ARathi was 375 titanforged boots offa world rare
sand egret
how i pray for azerite now wq caches or warfront and pray
uneven mason
tanking 10s on a Guardian with a 325 2h mace
sand egret
its ruff
sand egret
i had a 345 for the longest time
just got a 360 recently but god threat was a nightmare pre-patch
then i swap to warrior and go “whats skittish?”
uneven mason
yeah been boomkin for skittish
sand egret
i only play feral/bear on my drood.
i keep it simple. i smack with a shield or a claw
sick sentinel
Were at the end of the first raid with 2 bom I reach 50% crit block
Imagine 3bfi
In addition to that
Or 3bom even
Thing is that with bom, I'm still not ised to NOT cast IP directly after or before
crystal creek
I've had the same issue. Old muscle memory
sick sentinel
Because I'm thinking "oh I need to cast IP but I don't have the rage, if I cast avatar I will have the rage"
crystal creek
Least you get %30 of it I guess.
steady slate
i'm confused. trying to follow the conversation, but i feel like i'm missing a key piece. why would you worry about when you're using IP>
crystal creek
Bastion gives you a full IP when use Avatar.
steady slate
oh yeah. thanks
crystal creek
But in many cases we use IP to after avatar.
Kinda wasting some IP if you have Bastion and use it right after avatar.
steady slate
i'm sure i've been wasting tons
crystal creek
IP cap I believe is 1.3x the cast so you're wasting 70% of an IP.
Lol ya I do too, all good.
next ermine
So is UF still best to take with the DC nerf or did that open up DR and BSC for options?
stone cloud
eze clap
primal crypt
@next ermine never not UF
crystal creek
UF is still top dog.
steady slate
wait... i feel like i'm behind now. i'm running 1 ea of DC, BFI, and BOM in mythics. is that still good or should i replace DC with UF?
crystal creek
Even with necrotic DR is bleh, our leap, clap, shockwave + party assistance.
UF is a talent.
DC is a trait.
steady slate
christ
i'm so damn slow today.
i had iron fortress in my head
that's the problem with not having all the acronyms memorized yet. i get confused and say stupid shit
crystal creek
I still stay dumb things and I know acronyms. 🤷
craggy mauve
Keep hearing Prot war supposed to be a top-end tank for Dazar'alor: this true?
steady slate
i don't know if it'll be top tier, but it's the one i'll be playing
crystal creek
When it comes to physical damage, Prot is a literal wall.
steady slate
bit of a wet napkin for magic damage though
astral crystal
primal crypt
Everything is up for speculation
uneven mason
0_o "wet napkin"
steady slate
i miss the 50% magic damage reduction on SR from Legion. 50% might have been too aggressive, but the 20% it currently has is garbage
uneven mason
has some of the strongest magic mitigation
"Wet Napkin" 🤔
25% *
SR is 25%
DS is 20%
IP is 50%
crystal creek
You just need to know when to use them effectively.
primal crypt
SW
uneven mason
taking 30% on a magic hit every 25 seconds 👏 total garbo
only other tank that comes near it excluding long CD immunities is BDK
steady slate
i know that heavy magic fights just tear through whatever mitigation i can put up. blows through SR, DS barely affects it, and i can't generate rage fast enough to keep up enough IP to mitigate
uneven mason
with a longer CD
primal crypt
like what situation?
steady slate
fights like Sisters in WM
uneven mason
I'm not saying your wrong
its just that we're better/not worse than any other tank
at dealing with magic
its a tank problem in general not a prot problem
primal crypt
Sisters isn't much of an issue
old zephyr
Sisters is like SUPER EZSY
primal crypt
The only one that I've seen issues with it last two of motherloaf
steady slate
in those very specific fights, i feel like i'm a wet napkin. in every other situation, i feel very confident i can handle whatever
old zephyr
Kick casts, reflect the active one Gg
primal crypt
And even then, it's sometimes
lavish oracle
We're definitely worse at taking magic mitigation than other tanks
primal crypt
Sisters is not an issue
uneven mason
Ok
lavish oracle
Like our toolkit isn't awful but it doesn't compare to the self-healing of classes like DK and Pally
uneven mason
"self healing"
lavish oracle
Not sure why that's in quotes
steady slate
@old zephyr you must have one of those special groups that actually kicks casts. i run with groups that normally use 1 interrupt... me
uneven mason
Thats a "DPS is a bunch of flipperhanded chimps" and not a prot problem
because "self healing" is more or less an illusion
lavish oracle
It's part of their mitigation kit
uneven mason
IP handles about the same volume of magic damage as the BDKs self healing
Like folks who ignore IP trigger me
primal crypt
Taking hits that you shouldn't
lavish oracle
It definitely does not
old zephyr
I have managed to reach est high enough level, Where People zknow what to do.
primal crypt
You can't death strike if you're dead
steady slate
but aren't DKs already dead...
primal crypt
Lmao
steady slate
they couldn't get it right the first time?
maybe this is the week i finally nail a 10 in time. i did six 10s last week and the closest i got was 7 minutes over in SoB.
shame too, because we were 2 bad pulls from plussing that
steady slate
couple guildies, couple PUGs
sand egret
so specifically for sisters, you’d wanna bust out your mitigation early for the first lady, spam jump for the 2nd. it can feel rough transitioning from 3rd to 1st again and the healer is playing catchup due to Needles
that healing debuff off the jump can give off the feeling of getting trucked
narrow abyss
If you have a good kick order and include spell reflect in the rotation and everyone move for second witch it’s really not a bad fight
steady slate
i've been popping wall preemptively on that transition @sand egret
sand egret
SR on the last lady is also really important for that reason
but proper kicks definitely helps. it’s a funky healer fight and the amount of people I see not moving during malady is shocking
steady slate
i spam jump on that. hard not too, with DBM yelling at me
narrow abyss
Also ticky tacky stuff like having mage blow ice block pre pull and evasions tuff like that so first witch doesn’t drag out during MC
uneven mason
So uh @lavish oracle uh, explain to me the math on how much death strike heals for?
nova gale
Did KR14 today and was amazed how well I handled Zul
When it comes to magic dmg
Didnt even need to use shield wall
urban walrus
sounds like you got a lot of healing 😃
uneven mason
IP off the GCD has been pretty amazing for dealing with Zul
nova gale
let me log my warrior and see if I still have details up
Like, I main BrM and my monk feels way more scary
sand egret
yeah basically having a fresh ip per cast is huge
nova gale
I did 10k HPS on Zul
lavish oracle
@uneven mason Not sure what you mean? 10% of max health + 20% of damage taken over the last 5 seconds seems pretty straight forward
uneven mason
You mean 7% of max health minimum
OR 25% Of damage taken Whatever is higher
(they're not additive)
lavish oracle
It's irrelevant, check a vectis log, DKs self-healing far out paces warrior's DR
uneven mason
uhuh
nova gale
Anyone know what slots the raid BoEs will be?
uneven mason
I Mean, I take 2 stacks on Vectis
while the BDK takes 1
because I can mitigate it better.
IP for every tick +++
primal crypt
Fetid you can...oh
uneven mason
Oh
uneven mason
but overall warriors still require less healing for magic damage than BDK - heal ~45% Of it back, or reduce it by ~60%
the tricky situation comes in
when we have to take physical and magic at once (like continuing to eat stacks while tanking the boss)
steady slate
that second stack on Vectis really hurts me
uneven mason
because we have to push rage to other areas and melee hits eat our IP
I bank rage
so I start rolling IP when I get the 2nd stack
they taunt at 2
I taunt at 1
that way we never have a tank with 2 stacks tanking the add
or the boss
makes the damage much smoother
although all in all the BDK always takes the add because of 2 taunts, so thats why I take 2 stacks
but outside of CDs, a BDK doesn't necessarily handle magic any better than a warrior. we're pretty much on even footing
in fact, prior to our buff/ their nerf BDK and warrior were basically neck and neck for EHRPS
we just don't have the groovy utility that they do
I dunno why BDK got nerfed as bad as they did
I menan WOTN
I get
steady slate
so... i'm not saying this happens in my raids, i'm just asking for a friend, but when we get multiple adds on vectis, is the ot supposed to grab them, and then the other tank grab them once he taunts vectis?
uneven mason
but another armor nerf on top of that wasn't really warranted.
Uh
"multiple adds"
you mean when people break 12 stacks and are spawning the bugs?
steady slate
no... i mean when the gestate adds don't die in time and another one spawns
steady slate
so i HAVE been doing the right thing!
steady slate
i was polite about it, but i told my DPS to pull their heads out of each others rears and execute the GD mechanics
or three or whatever
crystal creek
If I'm tanking boss i taunt the adds since I won't need to taunt the boss anytime soon, that's just me though.
uneven mason
yeah its all up to the rythm
like, work out with your co tank what you want todo
I found something that works well for me
steady slate
i tank with a prot pally. he grabs them quicker than me
uneven mason
Prot paladin won't even need ot taunt
they can just save shield/judge
and snag em fro ma distance
steady slate
yeah, he uses that spinning shield thing
strange lintel
Last time I checked the adds had very little hp compared to trash so your dos is either sucking and not cleaving the add or sucking even worse and not focusing the add because their cleave dmg is low
steady slate
the only problem i have with him is that at the beginning of fights, i can pull threat without trying
prisma parcel
Shield Slam too strong
strange lintel
Also whoever is not currently tanking the boss taunts adds. Which should be dead almost immediately
steady slate
i try not to do that, since the healers aren't expecting it, so i wait a couple seconds before starting up
the last guild i was in, the tanks only taunted adds that spawned in range. everything else died so quickly it didn't matter
strange lintel
Yep well the way we position in my guild they are always in range to taunt
steady slate
sadly, most of the guys i raid with now aren't even motivated enough to watch a boss fight video
strange lintel
Then they shouldn't raid lol
steady slate
probably not
after the last "performance", we decided to suspend raiding.
it was unproductive and just frustrating to those of us who understood how raids are supposed to go; what minimum level of preparedness is
strange lintel
I'm the raid organisation officer in my guild which is a casual as fuck guild with parents and full time workers. We bulshited all the way to ghuun. Then when we went to heroic I strictly told em that there was no bs in this. Raid isn't mandatory but if you're gona walk in you're gona fall in line prepare yourself or not come at all lol
Then there's mythic which we only have done taloc and mother lol .....mother we only doit when we can cheese with DHS
uneven mason
probably different
main vault
If it is thats like the most worthless title ever lol
uneven mason
nah like, oversight over who leads the raid, its like a general manager for a store chain
oh wait
you're right
worthless title
main vault
Like one person puts raids on the schedule, then another leads them?
Why is that two jobs
uneven mason
because some people are good at scheduling and others are good at giving orders.
main vault
If you cant click the date on a calendar prolly shouldnt be leading the raid
Not like raid day changes
uneven mason
I mean, my GM is the one that puts it on the calendar and then we have 3 folks who can raidlead (healing lead, DPS, overall)
main vault
Ok GM is diff, thats GM
uneven mason
😉
primal crypt
Segregation of Duty is very much about efficiency.
main vault
Your GM didnt promote a person just to put it on the calendar
primal crypt
Even if it is a sinple click of calendar
main vault
If you segregate it too far it becomes more inefficient than a single person doing it all
And a click of a calendar is that point
oblique garnet
Why was i tagged
primal crypt
Because butthole late
@main vault is that their only duty?
If it is, that's a waste
strange lintel
Organizes leads
primal crypt
Ive come across a raid leader who only leads raids, over comms etc.
strange lintel
Actually we are casual so raid days are sporadic at best
oblique garnet
Oh someone doesnt believe in 22k overall dps🤔
strange lintel
I check that ppl wants to raidthsst day and how many are coming and such
main vault
Also different
strange lintel
Then lead em
main vault
Yeah thats fined
primal crypt
@oblique garnet yeah, didn't believe it was true
main vault
Just sounded like all you did was put it on calendar then sit back and watch
main vault
Could you imagine
having like 3 assistants
One only answers phones
One runs errands
And one only sort calendar
crystal creek
i'd be the coffee getter.
primal crypt
Sorry, I cant answer the phone, not my job
main vault
right
primal crypt
When it's literally ringing in front of them
main vault
Then phone cant put on calendar, not my job
primal crypt
crystal creek
"Hey my cup is half empty!" no sir, it's half full. the negative attitude will get you no where.
primal crypt
It's triggering just thinking about it
main vault
I mean I was my command driver , and I did all the memos, schedule for commander, driver
mental scarab
😂😂😂😂 i like skyhold
main vault
Plus my actual job
crystal creek
Before i came to skyhold, I heard it was a bad place. I think it's hilarious and informative.
main vault
You werent here in prepatch
steady slate
ugh. i'm back. it's just wrong that some people expect me to do work at work
crystal creek
that's why i have 2 monitor's here.
steady slate
whoever heard of such a thing?
main vault
Who doesnt have two monitors these days?
steady slate
yeah, i do too. i had to focus on tweaking a chiller control program, well the heat exchanger side anyway, and graphics
hard sigil
weapon ilvl always beats stats right?
primal crypt
@hard sigil did you get the waycrest axe?
hard sigil
nah
steady slate
which one is that?
hard sigil
380 crit masteri vs. 375 haste versa
steady slate
i got one in my weekly box, but i don't know where it comes from. haven't looked it up. looks like a butcher's cleaver
primal crypt
All the secondaries are close for us
hard sigil
thx mate
primal crypt
Haste is most delicious though at the same ilvl
@steady slate waycrest
The dmg effect one right?
primal crypt
Yup, waycrest
steady slate
i was happy to get the 20 ilvl upgrade.
i feel a bit less emasculated now
i get to start this week with shrine 9. i'm looking forward to it.
steady slate
not one i run much either
primal crypt
Interrupts + maybe a shroud
ocean acorn
in the first part
steady slate
most of my keys are underrot or temple, so i run those a lot.
primal crypt
If you get caught lol
ocean acorn
but deep smash is spell reflectable
primal crypt
I did a 16 shrine and almost had a heart attack because I took one to the face
steady slate
lol
primal crypt
Wasn't paying attention
ocean acorn
i was just stacking IP
ocean acorn
ya classic warrior
oblique garnet
i like it even when you mitigate it you still take like 70% of your health : ))
steady slate
i've been one-shot by the berserkers in king's rest a few times
i'm still trying to figure out why. seems random, but i know it's because i'm missing something
steady slate
i think the hit. i've just gone from 80 - 90% to dead
primal crypt
Spectral bolts are probably hitting you too
A single melee shouldn't destroy you like that
Especially with block up
oblique garnet
spectral bolts on fortfied shudders
steady slate
i probably had block down
prisma parcel
Prot warrior relies heavily on party skill to feel good in M+
prisma parcel
Kiting between shield block windows, casts being interrupted or line of sighted, and help grouping mobs is a team effort
ocean acorn
ya when i did KR the berserker bleeds were shredding me
primal crypt
That can be argued for any tank though
Having a good group, you can feel it
On any class/role
You're not having to do everything
ocean acorn
lately since i have been doing higher stuff i have been requiring disc so i can call out when i need stuns or interrupts
primal crypt
Yup @ocean acorn
prisma parcel
Nah other tanks have ways to recover and smooth the damage of a 120k Stone Lance or Blood Bolt
primal crypt
It just makes things easier
ocean acorn
in korea but play on na?
primal crypt
I got traded to NA back in 1988
prisma parcel
You should try using a mistweaver instead of disc for your keys
primal crypt
He meant discord
light relic
is deafning crash still absolutely necessary to have?
steady slate
good talking, but i gotta get home. i've been getting hate texts from my healer because i'm not around to run mythics
prisma parcel
RIP bye forever
ocean acorn
bye
primal crypt
Bye
prisma parcel
Short answer is absolutely in keys and it's useful in raid
ocean acorn
i think im going to test out BoM tonight
ocean acorn
we talked about it yesterday
ocean acorn
i have to downgrade my chest 15 ilvl
drowsy relic
is the alchemy trinket the new bis trinket for prot?
ocean acorn
im 388 in bag
primal crypt
Yeah, about the same
ocean acorn
but havent gotten a better weapons
drowsy relic
would you drop a 380 rezans or vial for it?
ocean acorn
im using 390 butchers and 385 syringe
drowsy relic
since a 'on use' with your coastal healing is nice
primal crypt
390 knot + alche
oblique garnet
id drop vial for it
ocean acorn
i just switched to alch last night
ocean acorn
i have a 375 socketed vial too
primal crypt
And the extra heal on pots is nice
prisma parcel
Agreed, drop vial for alchemists stone. Ppm is ~1
drowsy relic
really?
primal crypt
But I spam pots
drowsy relic
i thought vial + stone is better right
primal crypt
Nah
drowsy relic
rezans isnt on use
primal crypt
Rezan alche
drowsy relic
especially on fortified, I can pop vial on big packs
prisma parcel
Strength on rezans is too strong
marble cipher
Wait, am I missing something, I thought the 385 alch stone wasn't in game yet? Or rather, the materials weren't
primal crypt
if you like that str on use, run vial
@marble cipher it is
You have to craft it
With sanguicell
prisma parcel
You make a 355 stone, get a recipe for a 370, make the 370, get a recipe for 385
oblique garnet
^
marble cipher
hm, might have to switch profs then
prisma parcel
It's very useful on demand healing
primal crypt
marble cipher
not like I'm doing a lot with them, apart from having engineering ready for helmet soon
primal crypt
Plus BS crafts two pieces right?
prisma parcel
You bad engi helms got nerfed :(
oblique garnet
yes yamo
drowsy relic
shouldnt prots generally run defensive trinkets
oblique garnet
huh?
drowsy relic
cause our kit lacks alot of self-healing and sustain
prisma parcel
Not in keys
marble cipher
Engi helms got nerfed? How so? @prisma parcel
primal crypt
Engi helms are still good
prisma parcel
If you're doing M+ you almost exclusively run offensive trinkets
primal crypt
It has DC on it now
prisma parcel
They were nerfed 40%
oblique garnet
On fortified 1 defensive 1 offensive is good
marble cipher
I would guess DC on a helm you can craft at high ilvl is a good thing, not a nerf...
prisma parcel
The new helm has DC but the second ring will be weak
marble cipher
Ah k, the engi traits got nerfed
prisma parcel
Yeah the Engi exclusive traits got gutted
drowsy relic
i swear bis trinkets for prot would be mythrax and alchemy trinket
drowsy relic
idk what else would be good for pushing keys
oblique garnet
This one is pretty good
marble cipher
Still seems a very good helm tbf
prisma parcel
Well the number one prot warrior in the world runs 395 Gore Crusted Butchers and 385 Alch
drowsy relic
hahaha
stark sage
pvp trinkets/ m+ stat trinkets also @drowsy relic
prisma parcel
Alch stone + highest str trinket you have is a good bet for M+
drowsy relic
idk i feel like stat sticks dont let you 'control' your character enough
drowsy relic
consider the berserker packs on KR
primal crypt
And what we personally use
stark sage
stat trinkets are very powerful in general
prisma parcel
If you take a bleed from a berserker you've made a mistake
tropic star
did read it right that some of you are dropped 390s to 375s for 3x BOM in m+
drowsy relic
yeah i appreciate it
primal crypt
@tropic star yeah
drowsy relic
you can avoid the bleed?
prisma parcel
Yes
primal crypt
1 DC 2 BoM
oblique garnet
for 3x BoM? yikes
prisma parcel
The bleed casts on the closest enemy to the berserkers
drowsy relic
I just ran a dk and MC'd 1 and let the other bleed hit me
drowsy relic
ahh we dont have pets in our group though
prisma parcel
You usually take one stack and stun at 4s left on your bleed, or let another melee take a stack
oblique garnet
just kill one of your dps
primal crypt
Trees work too